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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on October 05, 2019, 08:12:28 AM
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It was cold as hell this morning and I am absolutely here for it. No more of this 94 degrees in October nonsense driving everyone crazy. A big pot of chili will go on this afternoon, people are coming over for the game, I only have soccer games in the A.M. It's a nice day, is what I'm saying.
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Noon
Kent State at Wiscy, ESPNU
Purdue at PSU, ESPN
Iowa at Michigan, FOX
Maryland at Rutgers, BTN
3:30: Illinois at Minnesota, BTN
4 pm: Northwestern at Nebraska, FOX
7:30, MSU at OSU, ABC
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It's nice here also, mostly clear and the heat has broken, oddly without a rain front coming through.
We're headed to a farmer's market once the wife rises.
Football season is especially nice now that I live where dreaded winter is not so dreaded.
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Headed to Lincoln soon with a good friend that graduated from Northwestern. He's wearing purple.
Going to the usual tailgate. I have a cooler packed with skinless brats, cheese, kraut, onions, and plenty of beer.
Meeting my daughter at the tailgate, she will be attending the game with me.
Weather looks to be good, a bit windy, but clearing from the rain this morning. Clear and 68 at kickoff.
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Headed to Lincoln soon with a good friend that graduated from Northwestern. He's wearing purple.
Going to the usual tailgate. I have a cooler packed with skinless brats, cheese, kraut, onions, and plenty of beer.
Meeting my daughter at the tailgate, she will be attending the game with me.
Weather looks to be good, a bit windy, but clearing from the rain this morning. Clear and 68 at kickoff.
That sounds great. I was almost tempted to go to the game tonight.
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Good news for Ohio State, UC upset UCF last night.
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Can’t wait for Michigan-Iowa and later, Florida-Auburn.
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Good news for Ohio State, UC upset UCF last night.
That was a pretty fun game - glad for our SOS but also glad for Fickell, who has Cincy on the up and up.
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Fickell may well be on the hot seat in reverse.
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Football season is especially nice now that I live where dreaded winter is not so dreaded.
Better to play when the Canadian winds are swirling than in Dante's 9 circles
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A rare early start today for vball. I hope the girls are awake. I'll only have one substitute player on the roster today.
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Can’t wait for Michigan-Iowa and later, Florida-Auburn.
And Later Sparty vs Brutus
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Gotta be close to finishing the landscaping too. I see they are all but finished w the pavers and firepit. Will be nice to see the sod go down. Stamp out the dust.
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Better to play when the Canadian winds are swirling than in Dante's 9 circles
I remember some years in Cincy when the winds of November would come early.
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Rotten weather here in MSP this morning. Rain and 47 degrees. The rain is going to stop but it's not going to be nice the rest of the day.
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It's a nice, crisp day today. Probably 50 right now.
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It's 52, sunny, and perfect on the soccer fields
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In hindsight I feel kind of bad for all the kids soccer games my parents had to attend. Especially since I only mustered one goal over my entire kids soccer career.
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I didn't play soccer so my folks didn't have to hang their heads in shame
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Weather here n Florida is too nice. I miss the fall.
But, I did take the opportunity to go out on the boat this a.m. and catch a few snook...
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On way to Morgantown with my 11 year old daughter to introduce her to her first college football game. Beautiful fall day in WV.
I told her it could get ugly fast though.
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Weather here n Florida is too nice. I miss the fall.
But, I did take the opportunity to go out on the boat this a.m. and catch a few snook...
They good to eat or just fun to catch?I miss my Canadian fishing trips
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Can’t wait for Michigan-Iowa and later, Florida-Auburn.
I'm afraid Florida-Auburn will be ugly football. AU's strength (DL) vs Florida's weakness (OL) will retard things for the Gators. And it's not like AU's offense is good, either. 17-6, something like that. Who scheduled Florida's homecoming vs top 10 Auburn?
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72 this morning in the urban desert. High of 94 (which is more like 80ish in FL). And I just started fall break, so I have 9 days of nothinggggg but filling Whoa Nellie orders.
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Yeah, soccer this morning was a bit rough
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Super windy here on The Lake. Yesterday it was from the North and now all that air is coming back to us after taking a U-turn. Ugh.
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Just got back from the Gym.....I mean john,Go Iowa
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A nice 3 set rally victory . Too early. Kids combined for 9/10 serves into the net to start the match. Brutal start. Need to enjoy this weather now.
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Shea not looking sharp early
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Shea looking sharp on that throw,gotta make that catch
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Purdue loses a safety to a targeting call and on the next play lose a starting LB to injury. Four of our top WR are out injured today. Purdue with negative yardage through two drives. Down 14-0.
All I can hope at this point is that nobody else gets injured.
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Shea looking sharp on that throw,gotta make that catch
Patterson’s downfield throwing has been pretty accurate so far, but where is Peoples? Covered well? He’s the perfect endzone target for that first two drives that (almost) stalled out. Pattersons has instead targeted Collins and Black, I guess cause of coverage. 10-0 Michigan.
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Damn Iowa needs to capitalize when it can.If M gets the passing game clicking that could be all she wrote
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Patterson’s downfield throwing has been pretty accurate so far, but where is Peoples? Covered well? He’s the perfect endzone target for that first two drives that (almost) stalled out. Pattersons has instead targeted Collins and Black, I guess cause of coverage. 10-0 Michigan.
Collins is having the best year so far - he's improved the most
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I actually like the deference to calling turnovers since they can be reviewed and re-spotted... But there's no way that was a catch and fumble.
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M got away with one there
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Iowa will hang in this until the end because Michigan doesn’t put away teams who create rhythm against them. 10-3 Michigan.
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This game is just pathetic.
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Shea not looking sharp early
when does Shea look sharp?
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I would have bet my house Iowa wouldn't have converted there
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Wisconsin has four touchdowns on four drives and has allowed four first downs on five drives.
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when does Shea look sharp?
He looks like a freshman with no experience. How is Michigan this far into the Harbaugh era with such poor qb play? It’s the most shocking part of it all.
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Wisconsin has four touchdowns on four drives and has allowed four first downs on five drives.
I thought Michigan was playing Iowa :dink:
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Iowa needed points there,Stanley playing like crap
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Iowa needed points there,Stanley playing like crap
You can see how the offensive strategies developed and will play out in the second half. Both sides, especially Iowa, have figured out the defenses have the running attacks shut down - both offenses are airing it out, especially Iowa. They decided the most effective way to pressure the defense is by attacking the back four. Because Iowa looks more committed to airing it out, they’ll be fine, even probably win. Michigan is depended on the INT to stop them all 2nd Q.
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It's days like today I'm grateful Ferentz isn't Ohio State's coach.Why call a TO at the end there,just buying M more time - idiot move.Also they are going away from working the middle of the field - it's what they do well.Stanley going over the top quite a bit
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35-0. Time to turn it off and watch other things. Watching that M/Iowa tilt has been interesting.
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35-0. Time to turn it off and watch other things. Watching that M/Iowa tilt has been interesting.
Yep. Switching over from Purdue/PSU now as well. Purdue with -30 rushing yards at this point.
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Good to see Maryland kicking the crap out of a Patriot League school today.
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Good to see Maryland kicking the crap out of a Patriot League school today.
Seriously if Rutgers was in Conference USA would they win more than 3 games?!?! They are a practice squad.
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Seriously if was in Conference USA would they win more than 3 games?!?! They are a practice squad.
I don't care where they go or what they do, so long as it's not in the Big Ten anymore.
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Every time I look at this Michigan game it's 3rd and 9 for one team or the other
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He looks like a freshman with no experience. How is Michigan this far into the Harbaugh era with such poor qb play? It’s the most shocking part of it all.
it's not Shea. It's 100% Harbaugh. The guy is a literal 'tard.
He ruins QB's. Speight, O'Korn, Peters, and now Shea. QB's just regress under Harbaugh. He is terrible.
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like I said before- why hasn't Cam McGrone been starting?
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WTF was that offensive series?
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https://twitter.com/iamstefanzonia/status/1180557537155993602?s=09
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this just might be the most pathetic game of the Harbaugh era. He's gotta go. I can't take more of this shit. They can pay someone else $9 million a year for better results. Offer Lincoln Riley $10,000,000 a year and guarantee all of his children and grand-children free educations at the University of Michigan.
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Bad beatsville potential in Happy Valley.
PSU just went up 35-7 with 5+ minutes left in the 4th against a 27.5 pt spread.
Bunch of gamblers on both sides probably sweating now whether Purdue gets garbage time points against PSU scrubs to cover...
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Now grow a freaking pair, get your offense to put a drive together, get 3 points and end the gd game Harbaugh.
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this is a f'n disgrace. Harbaugh should put a shotgun in his mouth and pull the trigger.
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this is a f'n disgrace. Harbaugh should put a shotgun in his mouth and pull the trigger.
Well, that escalated quickly.
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Well, that escalated quickly.
Ya think?
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Impressed by Stanley's two passes to a receiver who isn't looking at the ball
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Iowa needs another batch of those future pro bowl TEs.
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well he might as well. he's a sad sack of shit now. he's a spaced out weirdo who is clearly on meds. he's NOT the same guy he used to be. he's just a pathetic shell of a man and a caricature of himself now. this is not the guy they thought they were hiring.
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Well props for that left handed throw. Please end this game
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Pretty big win for Hairball. "Ranked team" and all that.
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this program is a joke. The "QB whisperer" can't develop a QB or functional offense.
Don Brown is propping up this entire program. Without him, Harbaugh would've been fired years ago. When Don Brown's defense doesn't absolutely dominate, Michigan loses by 20 or more because they have ZERO offense. Might as well fire Harbaugh and make Don Brown the head coach and go hire a hot-shot young OC to run the entire offense.
Michigan is going to get smacked down by Penn State and Notre Dame. They will not score more than 17 points combined those two games. Michigan State game is gonna be an ugly as hell 6-3 type game that could go either way. Michigan will absolutely lose to Ohio State. That one won't even be close. Gonna get blown off the field 45-10.
This coach, this offense, and this program is a joke.
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Dylan McCaffrey better start next week.
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Did Michigan accidentally let those fullbacks and tight ends on the field? I was told that was an issue.
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Man, Iowa St is taking TCU out behind the woodshed.
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Dylan McCaffrey better start next week.
LOL
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I would hate to be Penn State headed into Kinnick next week for a night game.
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I feel asleep watching Michigan.
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UF-Aub proving to be interesting at least.
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this just might be the most pathetic game of the Harbaugh era. He's gotta go. I can't take more of this shit. They can pay someone else $9 million a year for better results. Offer Lincoln Riley $10,000,000 a year and guarantee all of his children and grand-children free educations at the University of Michigan.
Harbaugh (and Ferentz) will try to get away with looking like 1982 Big Ten football whenever they can. Today they both played their part. Meanwhile, Auburn and Florida are off to a low scoring start, but it somehow looks more competent and watchable than Michigan-Iowa.
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Beautiful interception by Florida there
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Sloppy football being played in Minnie right now. Yuck.
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I feel asleep watching Michigan.
I'd rather have a herd of goats shit in my mouth than watch such a contest again.And I was busy and may have caught perhaps 15 plays,but sheesh.Broken plays,poor performance,bad coaching,bad penalties - that's just when I watched.Fortunately I got some work done around the house
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this is a f'n disgrace. Harbaugh should put a shotgun in his mouth and pull the trigger.
Bird Shot,Buck shot or Deer slugs?Asking for a friend
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UF-Aub proving to be interesting at least.
UF on their third string QB and still moving the ball. Amazing what the skill guys can do when they have blocking. #brohmareyouwatching?
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UF on their third string QB and still moving the ball. Amazing what the skill guys can do when they have blocking. #brohmareyouwatching?
It would be weird if he was.
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Sloppy football being played in Minnie right now. Yuck.
Yeah, this is as messy as our tailgating lot Tanner's had 3 passes hit Tyler in the hands and went right through. The rain restarted. And an event that wasn't supposed to use the East River Flats this morning left knee-deep muddy ruts and destroyed what little grass was left.
Beautiful day in the neighborhood.
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Not sure what it says that Northwestern has mucked up everyone but Michigan State
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Florida has already scored more points than I thought they would....so there's that. Messy game. Florida has been better than Auburn, straight up, but turnovers and craziness are evening things out.
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If I'm a UW Fan I'd go ahead and make reservations for Indy.Not only this December but next also - plenty of time to find good deals.No foreseeable foe until '21 at the earliest out west
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Was that a fumble on Morgan?
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This auburn game not wildly better than the Michigan game
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Big Dan to the locker room
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Wildcats tamed.
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Wow....good game, Auburn. Looks like we have a pretty good D-line, too.
Look at VT - Miami.
VT up 28-0 in 2nd quarter.........omg, Miami suckssssss
35-35 tie in 4th quarter.........omg, they both suck.
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Vols hit a deep pass, up 7-0 on UGA
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Butt-ugly unis for The OSU. Blech!
Why do teams do crap like that?
Happy win for the Huskers. The kicker is a good story.
After leading 28-0, Va. Tech finally beat Miami 42-35.
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It's their "nighttime cammo" unis.
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The Illinois punter put in a strong bid for Special Teams POTY today. Good grief, he could make a knuckleball go 50+.
Someone humor me how Lovie keeps his job. That team sucked today.
I didn't think that it was possible to win a game by multiple scores before today. That said they're 5-0 and we still don't know a damn thing about this team.
Looking cold next weekend.
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Not a touchdown, and a fumble.
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Wow....
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Good looking Sparty drive
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Some great offensive coaching for the Buckeyes. Defense has been a bit shaky
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Sam how did Borland start i n front of Keandre Jones who left?Or Baron Browning or even Hilliard sheez he just isn't any good
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Sam how did Borland start i n front of Keandre Jones who left?Or Baron Browning or even Hilliard sheez he just isn't any good
Yeah hasn't been his best showing. Browning getting more run now
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RIP - SMU's being ranked for the first time since I was learning my times tables. Tulsa up big.
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I was just joking about that. Wonder what Reggie Dupard is up to.
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Ugh...in no world should that be a penalty
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Smu may tie it up
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Those smu students look insufferable.
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Smu wins in 3ot
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Sam how did Borland start i n front of Keandre Jones who left?Or Baron Browning or even Hilliard sheez he just isn't any good
Borland played well. MSU only had 71 yards rushing. Borland is their run stopper.
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We must have watched at different times.He was getting beat more often than not early
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Rotten weather here in MSP this morning. Rain and 47 degrees. The rain is going to stop but it's not going to be nice the rest of the day.
fingers crossed for better weather this coming weekend!!!!
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Going to Mpls-STP to whip up your hang over special FF?
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I've been told my bloody Mary's are top notch
especially with a Bud Fat chaser!
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Reached the time of year now where daytime highs are still into the 80s, but nice and cool at night. Had to put the doors back on the Jeep in case I drive it in the mornings to work.
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Did everyone see this?
Best damn band in the land.
https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1180661360377712641/video/1
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Have CFB marching bands ever actually been ranked objectively by marching band types? Better yet, do they hold a National competition like cheerleaders, and crown a NC?
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OSU, UW, UM, USC, ND and UT are all in the conversation. OSU is the best I've seen live, and I've seen a lot of bands.
UW just got a new director, after 50 years with the same guy. It will be interesting to see how they change things up. I do know they will keep the high steps and precision marching. They don't stand around, like some.
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I don't think the SEC puts much emphasis on the band.
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Speaking of which, I made tacos for lunch (soft, make your own). I grilled the ground beef last night and used that. I think I'll make chili with some of the rest of the beef tomorrow. I like green onions on the chili, served over rice (no beans). I like fish tacos a lot.
We found the Dekalb Farmer's Market yesterday, it's basically the same as Jungle Jim's in Cincinnati, huge and fascinating, a lot of live critters in it (fish types). They appear to butcher their own meat there on site. It was packed, really tight getting around, a lot of vegetable options.
http://www.dekalbfarmersmarket.com/ (http://www.dekalbfarmersmarket.com/)
It's not a farmer's market of course, just a huge store.
Some of the HBCU bands are pretty awesome, perhaps they should be considered?
https://theundefeated.com/tag/espnthe-undefeated-hbcu-band-rankings/ (https://theundefeated.com/tag/espnthe-undefeated-hbcu-band-rankings/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwJA3sn2O78 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwJA3sn2O78)
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OSU, UW, UM, USC, ND and UT are all in the conversation. OSU is the best I've seen live, and I've seen a lot of bands.
UW just got a new director, after 50 years with the same guy. It will be interesting to see how they change things up. I do know they will keep the high steps and precision marching. They don't stand around, like some.
I'm not being cordial,but I absolutely love when/how UW builds up to a crescendo with When the Caissons Go Rolling Along.While tOSU has an outstanding band - their song selection blows sometimes.The Buckeye Battle Cry and Across the Field are great but I'd rather get a visit from the Angel of Death than listen to "Hang on Sloopy" one more time.It is with out a doubt the sappiest,spineless,suckiest ass song ever foisted onto a fan base.Check that - after Rocky Top but the point stands
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Jake Fromm left his post game interview last night singing "Good ol' Rocky Top ..." as he went down the hall.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/troll-jingle-jake-fromm-walks-out-after-meeting-media-singing-rocky-top/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/troll-jingle-jake-fromm-walks-out-after-meeting-media-singing-rocky-top/)
He apparently isn't tired of hearing it.
Jake is not very good, no way he should ever think of leaving early for the League.
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Did everyone see this?
Best damn band in the land.
https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1180661360377712641/video/1
Thank you, TBDBITL!
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I'd imagine that the Military Acadamies have some pretty sound marching bands. And I know that a handful of the HBCUs are reknowned for theirs.
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Jake Fromm left his post game interview last night singing "Good ol' Rocky Top ..." as he went down the hall.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/troll-jingle-jake-fromm-walks-out-after-meeting-media-singing-rocky-top/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/troll-jingle-jake-fromm-walks-out-after-meeting-media-singing-rocky-top/)
He apparently isn't tired of hearing it.
Jake is not very good, no way he should ever think of leaving early for the League.
He's not? That's interesting.
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I'm not interested in marching bands
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The moving West Virginia outline seems as though it would be rather difficult to execute.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/2wS9f9yH44b7mWQHwY/giphy.gif)
Then again, what do I know.
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http://www.sousafoundation.net/Default.aspx?ID=39
I don’t know the first thing about what makes a good band but I know WVU has always touted the fact that they won the Sudler Trophy in 1997. The link above details what that is and past recipients.
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Fromm stinks, no way he should come out early, if ever.
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http://www.sousafoundation.net/Default.aspx?ID=39
I don’t know the first thing about what makes a good band but I know WVU has always touted the fact that they won the Sudler Trophy in 1997. The link above details what that is and past recipients.
On my cursory examination it does not appear as though any school has won that thing more than once.
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Fromm stinks, no way he should come out early, if ever.
Ahhh, this is an inside joke I don’t get
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I'm not interested in marching bands
Watch your whore mouth!!!
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Texas A&M has a band that's very good at marching military-style, for those that like that sort of thing.
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Not sure if CWS is up yet,Drew might like it though
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It's not really my favorite style, I prefer the stuff posted above from Ohio State and WVU, which is the style Texas also marches-- but the Ags do the military style well.
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I like it that Texas has a radioactive drum (a very B1G drum) that it stole from the University of Chicago.
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They want it back? They can
Come and Take It
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Ahhh, this is an inside joke I don’t get
Um, I would prefer he returned for his senior season, he's so awful.
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They want it back? They can
Come and Take It
I'm probably the only person around here that even knows about it... And I don't want it.
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https://www.facebook.com/secshorts/videos/390760521619795/ (https://www.facebook.com/secshorts/videos/390760521619795/)
Not bad.
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Week 6 NCAA Tournament projection
| | APPALACHIAN STATE | | |
| 3 | | OHIO STATE | | |
| | NOON - espn2 | | |
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| | TOLEDO | | |
| 2 | | CLEMSON | | |
| | 1:30 - ESPN | | |
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| 10 | | PENN STATE | | |
| 7 | | FLORIDA | | |
| | 3:00 - ABC | | |
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| 21 | | SMU | | |
| 4 | | GEORGIA | | |
| | 4:30 - espn2 | | |
| . | | | |
| | FLORIDA ATLANTIC | | |
| 1 | | ALABAMA | | |
| | 6:00 - ESPN | | |
| . | | | |
| 9 | | NOTRE DAME | | |
| 8 | | WISCONSIN | | |
| | 7:30 - ABC | | |
| . | | | |
| 13 | | OREGON | | |
| 6 | | OKLAHOMA | | |
| | 9:00 - espn2 | | |
| . | | | |
| 14 | | BOISE STATE | | |
| 5 | | LSU | | |
| | 10:30 - ESPN | | |
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I'm probably the only person around here that even knows about it... And I don't want it.
You bring it up pretty often for someone that doesn't care about it. ;)
(https://ladylibertyflag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/gonz.jpg)
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You bring it up pretty often for someone that doesn't care about it. ;)
Yeah, every 5 years or so. Heh.
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Yeah, every 5 years or so. Heh.
Exactly. See what I mean? :)
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You bring it up pretty often for someone that doesn't care about it. ;)
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If it was a supply of Tito's or Live Oak I'd do precisely that
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https://www.facebook.com/secshorts/videos/390760521619795/ (https://www.facebook.com/secshorts/videos/390760521619795/)
Not bad.
Pfft.I've spent decades as a Browns/Indians Fan.That's a walk in the Park.At least they got a Championship 20yrs ago.Up here you have to be at least 63 yrs old to actually remember the '64 Browns.The '48 Tribe?Fuggetaboutit!!!
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Back in the day when the Braves were really bad and on WTBS every night, I was a big fan, it was my evenings on many occasions. It was low stress, if they won it was a surprise and if they lost, oh well, I didn't expect anything else.
Then they got pretty good, then mediocre, now back to pretty good. I got frustrated last night after the 8th inning with all the LOBs and turned it off, one inning to go, Cards' closer coming in, put a fork in it.
The wife turned the TV back on 35 minutes later and as I had not changed the channel there they were with a lead. She said "I though you told me the Braves lost.".
The fickle finger of fandom.
Speaking of which, where does Luke Fickell end up coaching? I doubt OSU fires Day.
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If it was a supply of Tito's or Live Oak I'd do precisely that
Ah man, you're welcome to the Tito's and Live Oak. There's plenty to go around. I don't even pay for it! ;)
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I once bet a buddy he could not tell the difference between four vodkas. He nailed every one of them blind.
So, somewhat amazed, I tasted them too and could tell they were different. I liked Grey Goose the best of the four, it was cleaner, better distillation.
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nothing wrong with Goose, except it's from France
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Following Big Ten football games on Oct. 5, the Offensive, Defensive and Special Teams Players of the Week and Freshman of the Week in the Big Ten were announced this morning. Below are this week's honorees:
Offensive Player of the Week
Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin
Jr., RB, Salem, N.J./Salem
Matched a single-game school record with five total touchdowns, becoming the first Badger to reach that mark since Melvin Gordon in 2014 and the first Big Ten standout with five touchdowns since Saquon Barkley in 2016
Carried the ball 19 times for 186 yards and four rushing touchdowns, moving into third place on Wisconsin’s all-time rushing list with 4,916 career yards
Added three catches for 29 yards and a touchdown
Earns his seventh career Offensive Player of the Week award and third of the season
Last Wisconsin Offensive Player of the Week: Jonathan Taylor (Sept. 23, 2019)
Defensive Player of the Week
Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
So., DL, Plymouth, Mich./Divine Child
Recorded six tackles, one sack and a career-high 2.5 tackles for loss in the Wolverines’ victory against Iowa
Added a forced fumble and a pass break-up
Anchored a defense that allowed just one rushing yard and recorded eight sacks
Receives his first career Defensive Player of the Week honor
Last Michigan Defensive Player of the Week: Chase Winovich (Oct. 1, 2018)
Special Teams Player of the Week
Javon Leake, Maryland
Jr., RB, Greensboro, N.C./Page
Took the opening kickoff of the second half back for a 100-yard touchdown in Maryland's win at Rutgers, recording his second career kickoff return touchdown
Recorded Maryland's longest kickoff return touchdown since Ty Johnson went 100 yards at Ohio State in 2017
Also rushed for 65 yards on just five carries and scored two rushing touchdowns
Claims his second career Special Teams Player of the Week honor and first of the season
Last Maryland Special Teams Player of the Week: Javon Leake (Oct. 29, 2018)
Freshman of the Week
Wan’Dale Robinson, Nebraska
WR, Frankfort, Ky./Western Hills
Tied his career-high with seven receptions for a career-high 123 yards against Northwestern, including a career-long 49-yard reception in the third quarter
Added a 32-yard reception in the final minute to set up Nebraska's game-winning field goal
Opened the scoring with a career-long 42-yard run for a touchdown on his way to a game-high 186 all-purpose yards
Earns his second career Freshman of the Week award
Last Nebraska Freshman of the Week: Wan’Dale Robinson (Sept. 23, 2019)
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nothing wrong with Goose, except it's from France
I once bet a buddy he could not tell the difference between four vodkas. He nailed every one of them blind.
So, somewhat amazed, I tasted them too and could tell they were different. I liked Grey Goose the best of the four, it was cleaner, better distillation.
Yeah, vodkas are obviously designed to be flavor neutral, but you'll still get various characteristics like the mineral content of the water, etc. that make it through the distilling process.
You could probably trick your friend by running something super-cheap, like Popov, through a charcoal filter a couple of times. It changes the flavor and makes it taste "cleaner" without all that extra distillation.
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Distillation is expensive, especially if you do it 2-3 times. And taking a narrow cut is expensive. I presume cheaper vodkas take a broader cut and include more cogerners and perhaps only distill once.
Wine often is made better by "dropping fruit", cutting off the extra bunches that grown on a vine. Other ways of removing water are useful and cut yield also.
It's a case where better quality means lower quality, and higher prices.
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Yup. Tito's is distilled 6 times. One time I was touring their manufacturing facility and Tito pulled a hose out of a large collector, told me "This is the 6th and final distillation" and we drank the warm vodka right out of the hose. I've never been a big vodka guy* but that sample tasted absolutely delicious.
*at least not traditional vodka. When juniper berries are used as a botanical, well then, I tend to love the stuff :)
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Yeah, I have a weakness for that gin version as well. It was created to be healthy.
I tried these expensive tonics and don't find them to be any better. The Aviation gin was so so, but I also bought some Tanqueray Ten. I make martinis with it, sans the vermouth.
Six distillations is a lot.
I once had some freshly squeezed grape juice out of the tank before fermentation, it was really really good, but they said if I had too much of it I'd get the runs.
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6 is definitely a lot. When asked why he distills 6 times, Tito responds, "because 5 isn't enough and you can't tell the difference after 6." It's science! :)
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https://vinepair.com/articles/why-titos-vodka-different/ (https://vinepair.com/articles/why-titos-vodka-different/)
Interesting.
Woodford makes a big deal out of being distilled three times.
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I know I've had Tito's but it has left no memory of it. Huh.
I'm going to get some next time I'm out and try it neat and cold. It's 60% the price of the Goose.
I might add some juniper berries for taste.
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Tito's Martini's are ok with me. I don't seem to need the splash or couple drops of vermouth.
I do need the large olives - stuffed with blue cheese are my fav
I also splash a bit of olive juice for dirtiness
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I know I've had Tito's but it has left no memory of it. Huh.
I'm going to get some next time I'm out and try it neat and cold. It's 60% the price of the Goose.
I might add some juniper berries for taste.
Goose is click bait for the Buds and wallet.Try Luksusowa Polish Potato Vodka,I like Tito's and that(Luksusowa) it seems almost creamy but is distinct
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https://vinepair.com/articles/why-titos-vodka-different/ (https://vinepair.com/articles/why-titos-vodka-different/)
Interesting.
Woodford makes a big deal out of being distilled three times.
Interesting, I had no idea Tito was the 324th richest guy in the country now (or at least, as of that 2017 article).
I guess now might be a good time to remind him that he still owes me money for parking back in 2007?
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Serious - years ago after you were espousing it's virtues.I told eveyone who would listen about it.The 2 liscensed State Liquor stores I stopped at did not carry it.So I put in a request and walla.I told shoppers about to make a purchase.They can barely keep it on the shelves now.Man had I known I would have invested instead of buying it.Remind Tito if you bump into him
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Serious - years ago after you were espousing it's virtues.I told eveyone who would listen about it.The 2 liscensed State Liquor stores I stopped at did not carry it.So I put in a request and walla.I told shoppers about to make a purchase.They can barely keep it on the shelves now.Man had I known I would have invested instead of buying it.Remind Tito if you bump into him
I recall you doing that, all those years ago. Guess it worked out for him. :)
He's a decent enough guy, although he's always been a little on the big-headed side. But he does a LOT for charity and always has, and that's enough for me.
I wonder what interest rate I should charge him for that $10 in parking I covered over a decade ago? If his company is worth over a billion dollars, well...
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Not sure if CWS is up yet,Drew might like it though
I like the FTAB just fine.
I like marching bands that march.
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(https://ladylibertyflag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/gonz.jpg)
You need to replace the cannon with a giant radioactive drum.
With apologies to the fine Texicans of Gonzales, of course.
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I looked for a gif with the Gonzales battle flag quote, and a drum instead of the cannon, but it didn't work out.
Were they Texicans at that time, or Texians? Your history knowledge is most definitely superior to mine.
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I know I've had Tito's but it has left no memory of it. Huh.
I'm going to get some next time I'm out and try it neat and cold. It's 60% the price of the Goose.
I might add some juniper berries for taste.
Yes, nearly all gin is superior to vodka.
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The cheaper gins to me are "oily" and nasty. I don't know if it's cogerners or cheap botanicals, but I don't like them, I'd probably prefer cheap vodka (and fruit juice).
I can do OK with Beefeater, which is not "cheap". Hendrick's is pretty good. I've tried a few of the newer ones and have not found any I like better than Tangueray.
The gin aisle around here has expanded in the past 5 years or so immensely with "craft gins". Meh.
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It's a bit like beer, to me, I like Samuel Adams just fine. There of course are others I also like, but this profusion of craft beers to me is just confusing and I'm apt to order something I don't like that much, or don't like any better than SA. They also seem to come in restaurants who focus on having 100 beers on tap instead of having GOOD food. Ten beers on tap is fine, even 5, if they are decent, IMHO.
There is a chain of sports bars here that features 100 on tap and their food is mediocre at best, Taco Mac they are called.
I like Goose Island pretty well too. There is a local brewery called Sweetwater that has a nice pilsner called 420. It's fine when it is hot. Their brewery is about 4 miles north of me, a pretty big operation now.
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Here I thought 420 was a Pale Ale, not a pilsner. Do we have bootlegged supply here?
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You are right, I was idly thinking pils, it's very light, but has some flavor.
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I do find that some places focus on quantity of beer taps rather than quality, or perhaps more specifically, a variety of high quality beers.
For the national chains like Buffalo Wild Wings, this manifests as a large tap wall that's filled with Bud, Miller, Coors, and other macro crap. Maybe a handful of local beers but still not usually the interesting ones.
For the local places, it's sort of the other way around. They might have 30 beers on tap, but 23 of them are IPAs or APAs. 2 of them are macro crap. So that only leaves 5 that might possibly be of any interest to me. It's why I generally avoid beer bars anymore, and just head directly to the specific breweries I know of, that make a variety of high quality, interesting beers rather than a bunch of IPAs and APAs.
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I looked for a gif with the Gonzales battle flag quote, and a drum instead of the cannon, but it didn't work out.
Were they Texicans at that time, or Texians? Your history knowledge is most definitely superior to mine.
I've read both terms in various sources. Of course, there were also the Tejanos, and a goodly number of them were on the Texas (or Tejas) side in the war of independence from Mexico.
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https://www.thrillist.com/drink/atlanta/best-atlanta-breweries (https://www.thrillist.com/drink/atlanta/best-atlanta-breweries)
We have a lot of places here, but that's true everywhere today. I was in Seattle around 1988 when this was a new thing, craft beer restaurants. They had good food also.
I've been to New Realm, we can walk there easily, and it's not bad. The beers are fine and the food is decent if a bit pricey. They have a large patio and roof area, and the patio is critical for us, we like dining outside.
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I do find that some places focus on quantity of beer taps rather than quality, or perhaps more specifically, a variety of high quality beers.
For the national chains like Buffalo Wild Wings, this manifests as a large tap wall that's filled with Bud, Miller, Coors, and other macro crap. Maybe a handful of local beers but still not usually the interesting ones.
For the local places, it's sort of the other way around. They might have 30 beers on tap, but 23 of them are IPAs or APAs. 2 of them are macro crap. So that only leaves 5 that might possibly be of any interest to me. It's why I generally avoid beer bars anymore, and just head directly to the specific breweries I know of, that make a variety of high quality, interesting beers rather than a bunch of IPAs and APAs.
Yeah, I know the feeling. Yard House is another example of your first point--they've got tons of taps, but maybe 25% of them are interesting.
IPA/APA are popular, true... I do think it's starting to shift a little more, where lagers are making a comeback. But yeah, tap lists are still dominated by hop-centric ales. Even here in SoCal, where San Diego County is the home of somewhere around 154 breweries (https://westcoastersd.com/san-diego-brewery-list/), who probably brew around 1000 varieties of IPA, I'm starting to see the tide turn back towards other styles. There's a local gastropub here called Bru, and they have 32 taps (http://www.brugrill.com/tapping). There are 12 IPA/APA beers on the list, so about 1/3. But that still leaves 20 taps for everything else, which isn't as dire as you make it out to be.
My favorite beer bar is Falling Rock Tap House in Denver, with about 70 taps and a motto of "No Crap on Tap". They have a very diverse list, not overly populated with IPA/APA. Granted, that means that of their 70 taps, maybe 1/3 of them are IPA/APA, but that still leaves a lot of room. And they also have about 65-70 varieties of beer in bottles too, also heavily craft-oriented. (Although I think you can get Coors in bottle/can, just not on tap.)
If you're ever out that way, I recommend a stop. They also make great greasy pub food...
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Ha! Yes indeed, Falling Rock Tap House is awesome, I've been there many times and in fact am friends with one of the two brothers that founded it and operate it.
Steve Black is a friend and was a fraternity brother of my brother's at UT, and he and his brother Chris opened Falling Rock something like 20 years ago now. But they both started out at a similarly-conceived chain of beer bars here in Texico called "The Gingerman" which has locations in Dallas, Houston, and Austin. In fact they opened and managed the Austin one, quite successfully, on behalf of the concept owners who lived in Houston. But the owners never cut them in for an ownership stake despite promises to do so, so they went to Denver and opened Falling Rock in the middle of a MUCH bigger beer scene at the time (and still, but the gap is smaller).
Anyway, yes, I love their tap wall. They do have a lot of hoppy ales but because they have SO many taps, they also have a lot of other great stuff. Steve's not a hophead at all and in fact he and I used to drink Celis Belgian-style ales almost exclusively together, back in the mid 90s when he lived here in Austin. That's one reason why Falling Rock cultivated their close relationship with New Belgium when they opened up in Denver.
Anyway, unfortunately most "beer bars" here in Austin are still WAY slanted toward the hoppy ales, though. There are a handful that cater more to European/world beers and those are the ones I tend to go to.
But Pilsners are also quite popular here because, well, it's so damn hot, and lagers in general are making some inroads around here, which is nice.
Yeah, I know the feeling. Yard House is another example of your first point--they've got tons of taps, but maybe 25% of them are interesting.
IPA/APA are popular, true... I do think it's starting to shift a little more, where lagers are making a comeback. But yeah, tap lists are still dominated by hop-centric ales. Even here in SoCal, where San Diego County is the home of somewhere around 154 breweries (https://westcoastersd.com/san-diego-brewery-list/), who probably brew around 1000 varieties of IPA, I'm starting to see the tide turn back towards other styles. There's a local gastropub here called Bru, and they have 32 taps (http://www.brugrill.com/tapping). There are 12 IPA/APA beers on the list, so about 1/3. But that still leaves 20 taps for everything else, which isn't as dire as you make it out to be.
My favorite beer bar is Falling Rock Tap House in Denver, with about 70 taps and a motto of "No Crap on Tap". They have a very diverse list, not overly populated with IPA/APA. Granted, that means that of their 70 taps, maybe 1/3 of them are IPA/APA, but that still leaves a lot of room. And they also have about 65-70 varieties of beer in bottles too, also heavily craft-oriented. (Although I think you can get Coors in bottle/can, just not on tap.)
If you're ever out that way, I recommend a stop. They also make great greasy pub food...
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I'd like maybe 10 different beers on tap (no Coors etc.). And decent food. I understand bar food generally is not going to be excellent, there probably is an exception somewhere, but at least make it decent. We've talked about this before if we magically had our own place.
Don't offer a 12 page menu, have some basics done well. It's not that tough to make a decent hamburger.
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There's a category of bar/restaurant called "gastropubs" that in general focus on a relatively small menu of high quality food, as well as having a decent variety of high quality beers and sometimes craft cocktails available as well. As you might expect from their name, they also tend to be fairly pricey, at least compared to standard "pub-grub" so they end up being the kinds of places I go when traveling for business and am on the corporate expense account, rather than paying for it all myself.
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gastropub is my kind of place
as with anything, some are better than others
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I like to think and thank the Czech influence for the presence of pilsners in Texas. That would be my guess. As a person of Czech heritage, last name only, if we're really honest about it, they are a stubborn uncompromising people. You can do your IPA thing, we're going to stick w the pilsners.
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https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=gastropubs&find_loc=Atlanta%2C+GA (https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=gastropubs&find_loc=Atlanta%2C+GA)
OK, I've been to several of these, they are just restaurants that serve beer. The Public School place was mediocre IMHO, putting it mildly, was very disappointed.
We go to Bulla pretty often, they have a nice patio and service and food are good. I have zero clue why this would be a "gastropub". I'm sure they have some beer taps and a bar areas, but so do most restaurants.
The Lawrence also is just a restaurant.
The French restaurant we like also has a beer tap. No way is that some gastropub. I'm confused. A rose by any other name would still have thorns.
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IPA/APA are popular, true... I do think it's starting to shift a little more
Good,friends don't let friends drink them.And they must be stopped - in our lifetime.....before they kill our taste buds :singing:
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You can do your IPA thing, we're going to stick w the pilsners.
Testify MH Testify,left out Lagers but the point stands
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To me they all just tasete like beer.
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I snagged the last 12pk of Oktoberfest at the Corner.Divine intervention I tell you!!!
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To me they all just tasete like beer.
Evidently you've already been taseteing a few today ;D
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I like to think and thank the Czech influence for the presence of pilsners in Texas. That would be my guess. As a person of Czech heritage, last name only, if we're really honest about it, they are a stubborn uncompromising people. You can do your IPA thing, we're going to stick w the pilsners.
Well pilsners have always been the largest selling subcategory of beer in the USA. But that's because Bud, Miller, and Coors are all considered pilsners.
Still, yes, the best and probably most famous craft-brewed pilsner in Texas is Live Oak Pilz which is a distinctly Czech pilsner, not a German one. And we also love our kolaches and klobasnicky here in Texas, so many thanks to your Czech ancestors for settling here.
Although I must admit there's also a heavy German influence in Texas as well, which is the origin of smokehouse sausage within the pantheon of Texas BBQ dishes.
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Still, yes, the best and probably most famous craft-brewed pilsner in Texas is Live Oak Pilz which is a distinctly Czech pilsner, so many thanks to your Czech ancestors for settling here.
A friend last year brought back some authentic Czech Pilsner he purchased in some little hamlet in PA.I forgot to keep one of the cans as it was written in Czech script.Damn that was some of the finest suds ever to cascade over my buds.Very disappointed in myself for that glaring oversight
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Evidently you've already been taseteing a few today ;D
Well I do need to eventually finish off that six pack that I bought for myself on my birthday back in August.
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There's a category of bar/restaurant called "gastropubs" that in general focus on a relatively small menu of high quality food, as well as having a decent variety of high quality beers and sometimes craft cocktails available as well. As you might expect from their name, they also tend to be fairly pricey, at least compared to standard "pub-grub" so they end up being the kinds of places I go when traveling for business and am on the corporate expense account, rather than paying for it all myself.
gastropub is my kind of place
as with anything, some are better than others
Yeah, I find myself enjoying restaurants that fit into that "gastropub" style. But it's not always about the "style" of food, it's more about the fact that they actually care about their food. So many restaurants just seem dull and mediocre, and at least the gastropubs try to step out from that.
But I don't think we should denigrate "pub food", as long as it's done well. For example, if you look at the Falling Rock menu (http://fallingrocktaphouse.com/food-menu/), it's greasy pub food. But it's really darn good, and reasonably priced. We have a place out here called Heroes and Legends that's kind of a sports bar / beer bar / peanuts on the floor joint, and again their food is reasonably priced pub food but done well. Especially they do things like house-made potato chips, which are a nice touch. Only complaint I have there is that everything is on the salty end (probably to make you drink more).
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Oh yeah I'm plenty okay with standard pub food. My favorite cheeseburger in Austin is from a pub. My favorite fish and chips is from another pub. But that kind of food tends to be pretty heavy, and I can't eat it as often as I once did. Gastropubs tend to go more toward high quality ingredients, a little more clean-eating, some of them are farm-to-table, all of that kind of stuff. That's all a bit easier on my gut, especially after downing a few delicious beers to wash it down...
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https://bullagastrobar.com/locations/atlanta/ (https://bullagastrobar.com/locations/atlanta/)
They call themselves a gastrobar, which is close enough. It's good, they have interesting food, and decent wines. It stays busy. You can figure on $40-50 per couple if any alcohol is involved. It's "interesting" how two beers with dinner jacks the price up by $16 or so at places like this. INstead of a $30 tab, it's $45 with tip to come, and our sales taxes are rather high, like 9% or something.
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I surmise the rough equivalent in France would be a "bistro", a term overused in the US, or misused often as not. There are a lot of good bistros over there, duh.
They don't upcharge for wine as much as folks do here.
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Well I do need to eventually finish off that six pack that I bought for myself on my birthday back in August.
If it was a Case I'd pay for the postage and finish it for you
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Ha, It wasn't a case.
The last 12 pack I bought lasted well over a year, so I dare not even think about how long it would take me to polish off a case.
I'd probably have to bequeath it to someone in my will.
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and our sales taxes are rather high, like 9% or something.
That's even higher than here...
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Ha, It wasn't a case.
The last 12 pack I bought lasted well over a year, so I dare not even think about how long it would take me to polish off a case.
I'd probably have to bequeath it to someone in my will.
I wish I hated Beer there'd be lot more in the til,but that's crazy talk
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That's even higher than here...
I was about to say they probably don't have a state income tax, but they do. Yikes.
In Texas we have high sales tax (6% state and 2.25% local here in Austin) and relatively high property tax, but no state income tax to make up for it.
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https://www.avalara.com/taxrates/en/state-rates/georgia/cities/atlanta/ (https://www.avalara.com/taxrates/en/state-rates/georgia/cities/atlanta/)
We're in Fulton, not Cobb County, but it's 8.9%, less on groceries, I think 4% on that. We have a 1.4% transit tax.
I don't have any state income tax on retirement income up to $130,000, I can work with that.
We get 10% off restaurant bills other than alcohol in midtown, so that covers it (when we dine in midtown). I'm usually a decent tipper if the server makes a good effort.
This has become a very popular place to live with the younger folks who can afford it. Our building is mostly older folks (50+). There are construction cranes all over, especially in what is called west midtown across the freeway, land is a lot cheaper over there. Stuff going up over here is mostly mid and high rise buildings, apartments and office space mostly.
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I was about to say they probably don't have a state income tax, but they do. Yikes.
In Texas we have high sales tax (6% state and 2.25% local here in Austin) and relatively high property tax, but no state income tax to make up for it.
10.25 in Chicago. 10.00 where I live. 5% state income tax (and rising). 38% gas tax. Highest property tax rates in the country, sans New Jersey.
Weee!! We're #1!! Highest tax burden in the country!! Highest public pension debt too!! Weee!!
Bye...
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My property tax rate here is about the same as it was in Cincy in the 'burbs, so that is not too bad, but the condo costs quite a bit more than our house up there was worth, almost double. The sales tax here is high to support mass transit, it recently went up for that, but the announced plans to actually BUILD more mass transit seem to be well off into the future. There is a lot of carping about that right now. We have the Beltline which is a sort of circle around downtown of old RR beds that is being turned into walking/bike paths and it has been very successful but folks want light rail installed over most or all of it, and the city is only looking at 7 miles and some other stuff.
The Beltline is packed on weekends especially with folks walking, biking, on scooters, skates, you name it, it's somewhat dangerous with the bikes especially. There has been a construction boom along the path which means more revenue for the city. As usual, I don't think too much of the city government.
The state income tax rate on earned income is 6% which is a point higher than in Ohio. Gasoline prices are pretty modest at least, $2.60 or so right now. Food prices are the same as in Cincy. I get my license plate for free at least. That was like $62 a year in Ohio. No big deal.
The wife really likes living here, she just needs to get her leg fixed up, apparently a pinched nerve in her back.
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Sciatica is no joke. Nothing wrong with the leg in that case. It just "thinks" there is.
The wife and I both have spinal fusions because of that sciatica stuff. Have her see a neurosurgeon (not an orthopedic).
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During the months when my boat is in the water, I shop for everything (really) in Wisconsin. 5.5% sales tax there. Wisconsin does tax retirement income (Illinois does not - YET).
Mickey Mouse pays for everything in Florida.
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The wife is seeing all sorts of docs now. She has an MRI scheduled as well.
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Go see a really good manual therapist before ever considering surgery. Not all PTs are created equal, see a MANUAL therapist, preferably one with MTI certification.
My i s c & a aggie PT wife has an excellent track record of treating spinal-related injuries that manifest as pain elsewhere, it's one of her specialties. She discovers the dysfunction and treats it to increase mobility and smoothness of motion. It really works. You should definitely only consider surgery as a last resort.
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I can't keep up with all the different folks she's seeing. She went to a nerve doc yesterday after seeing the orthopedist several times. She's better than she was 3 months back but still not able to walk like she used to, and we walked a lot. They are waiting on the MRI result now. She has stopped PT in the mean time. She also goes to some "healing touch" lady that she really believes in (and I don't).
I had a pretty bad right shoulder from pitching back in the day and I'd like to be able to throw with less pain and she said I should go to this healing touch lady, but I read up on their techniques and am dubious. I'm pretty sure I have a torn rotator cuff, all the symptoms, from 11th grade baseball.
I can still hit oddly enough.
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Surgery is for sure the last result. Building core strength is the first thing any doctor will tell you. Then they'll tell you to try shots (fluoroscope is mandatory here, in my opinion).
There are certain conditions that just cannot be treated holistically or with pain management. That's then the knife comes into play.
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The wife had been doing reformer pilates twice a week for years. I've done it twice myself, didn't continue. I think she had very good core strength, not so much now of course, she's had to curtail that.
She's ready to try anything, it's been almost 6 months now.
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Shots would be the next thing in the treatment progression. Fluoroscopy is the key there.
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I got the Cortisone shot this morning in my left shoulder
fingers crossed I don't need the knife
if it is a torn rotator cuff, the shot won't fix it
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Yeah, I know. We didn't have sports medicine back in the day, I just "hurt my arm". It was never the same after that game. I try and stretch a lot and my left arm stretches nicely with no pain. I thought about trying to learn to throw left handed, I bat left handed as it is. It's really all about fantasy camp. I'm almost the oldest guy there, my legs don't work that well, and they let me pitch a couple of innings each year. I do "OK", the pitching there is not that good with very few exceptions anyway.
I just grit and bear the pain. Otherwise I play 1B so I don't throw that much. I'm tall and that helps and the runners are usually slow so I can come off the base and field a bad throw if needed and get back to the base in time. I went back 5 years ago thinking I'd better do it then if ever, I went in 1992 also. It was hilariously fun.
I'd just like to be able to throw a bit like I could back in the day.
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surgery is an option
but, ya gotta get through the cortisone first for the insurance company
then the MRI to see if surgery will help
apparently MRI's are expensive
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https://sweetwaterbrew.com/?fbclid=IwAR2KLB9sO7VBRGbMCyiPJGGRt53AD5XWJS7MGdt5DzloWBikqBJVru3pPr4 (https://sweetwaterbrew.com/?fbclid=IwAR2KLB9sO7VBRGbMCyiPJGGRt53AD5XWJS7MGdt5DzloWBikqBJVru3pPr4)
https://sweetwaterbrew.com/taproom/ (https://sweetwaterbrew.com/taproom/)
Need to check this out.
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Weee!! We're #1!! Highest tax burden in the country!! Highest public pension debt too!! Weee!!
I work in this industry and public pensions are a HUMONGOUS problem that is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
A somewhat brief explanation:
Back in the 1970's several large American Corporations went bankrupt and the pensions that they had promised to their employees were nothing but liabilities of the (now bankrupt) corporation. Ie, pre 1970's if I hired you and promised you a pension your security for the pension was nothing more than my promise. If I later went broke, you didn't get your pension.
The Feds bailed out a few and obviously didn't like that so they passed a law known as ERISA. The formal name is the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974. This is a REALLY brief summary of ERISA's provisions:
- Pension assets are now held in trust and cannot be accessed by a corporation's general business creditors.
- Employers are required to fund their pensions based on actuarial formulas supplied by the Feds (ie, I can't just promise you a pension anymore, now I have to put money away to cover the eventual cost and the money that I put away [see #1 above] is NOT accessible to me or my creditors).
All-in-all this is a very good thing for workers but the downside is that ERISA compliance is expensive which is the reason that private sector defined benefit pensions are practically non-existent today. Instead, most employers have switched to defined contribution pensions.
Explanation of defined benefit vs defined contribution:
- A defined benefit pension is a classic pension that many employers offered back in the 50's. Your pension is typically based on a formula that accounts for your years of service and your final salary or the average of your final few years.
- A defined contribution pension is more typical today, ie, a 401k.
When ERISA was passed it was phased in such that companies that had promised pensions to their workers didn't have to come up with all of the money to fund them all at once.
The major problem with ERISA (IMHO) is that public sector pensions were exempted from it. Thus, the defined benefit pensions promised to Municipal, County, and State employees like Illinois school teachers, Detroit police officers, California firefighters, etc are just like the old, pre-1970's private sector plans. They are a promise backed by nothing more than the credit of the promisor (ie, the State of Illinois, the City of Detroit, or the State of California). Further, public sector employees in some states have managed to push through State Constitutional provision guaranteeing their pensions and forbidding State Legislatures from amending the terms (I believe this is the case in Illinois).
Detroit is the tip of the iceberg or the Canary in the coalmine, if you will. Most of Detroit's liabilities in their bankruptcy were pension liabilities. Back in the 1950's when Detroit was a booming industrial city with a population of more than 2 Million and PLENTY of tax revenue their employees negotiated for rather generous pensions. The problem is that now Detroit is a hollowed out shell with a population of less than 700k and substantially less industry than they had 30, 40, 50 years ago. They simply don't have the revenue to meet their pension obligations. Full stop.
Some might argue that Detroit should raise taxes or cut services but those aren't really practical options. They don't have much of a tax base to raise taxes on and their rates are already high enough to chase off employers so further increases would meet with a problem defined by Mr. Arthur Laffer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Laffer) decades ago. Their services are already atrocious so cutting those further isn't a better option.
This is a REALLY messy problem with frankly no good answers.
Some will argue that the public sector pensions were far too generous so the public sector employees should take a hit. I realize that public sector employees are generally an easy target and on a macro level that argument has some merit in some cases. However, on a micro level it is ridiculously unfair. A Detroit beat cop who has spent the last 30 years risking his life to protect the lives of the citizens of Detroit has earned his pension. It wasn't his fault (individually) that the pension system was unsustainable. The same is true for the Illinois school teachers, California fire fighters, etc. Those individuals took a job that included the promise of a pension. Those individuals didn't do anything wrong and they deserve their pensions.
The back side of that argument is that if there simply isn't enough money then there simply isn't enough money and there are no good solutions for that problem.
To the extent that I can offer a solution, I would suggest that Congress remove the public sector exemption from ERISA with an appropriate phase-in period. That will not fix the problem in Detroit (and other areas that are too far behind) but it would prevent the problem from duplicating itself in currently booming areas that will experience downturns at some point in the future.
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I had a pretty bad right shoulder from pitching back in the day
Surprised you didn't have a bad neck from it snapping back watching the ball leave the park
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gee, and I thought The major problem with ERISA was going to kill that thread
leave it to Nubbz
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Take it easy it's not approaching the longevity of "Welcoming Nebraska to the Big Ten" thread
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well, it better NOT
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Think it was like 2003 or sumsuch BBTS started some thread that ran for...I don't know but there was barely enough room for another thread on that page.Maybe utee 94 and his original "Beer Thread" he started before the Shorthorns and The University of Spoiled Children squared off in the MNCG was second
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Surprised you didn't have a bad neck from it snapping back watching the ball leave the park
Never allowed an HR. Once struck out 20 in a JV game.
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Take it easy it's not approaching the longevity of "Welcoming Nebraska to the Big Ten" thread
Still not certain whether or not Nebraska was ever welcomed to the B1G?
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was by some, not by all
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I preferred 12 team conferences, just sayin'.
Still do.
Does Cincinnati merit P5 consideration?
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Moreso than Rutgers ever did.
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Most universities are strong in some sport consistently, like wrestling or something. Rutgers?
Do they bring TV eyeballs to the table? NY State does not seem like a CFB hotbed at all, nor New England. NJ might be more so. They seem to have had some HS talent, along with Philly.
Be interesting to see how many on the Rutger lineup are home grown.
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Further, public sector employees in some states have managed to push through State Constitutional provision guaranteeing their pensions and forbidding State Legislatures from amending the terms (I believe this is the case in Illinois).
Correct.
Legislators in Illinois (based on a plan from the new Governor Big Boy) are pushing to open the constitution next year, but it's not to address the pension python.
Nope. They are trying to open it to address the flat tax issue. Illinois is a flat tax state. They are pushing to make it a progressive tax state. But no. Leave those pensions alone. AFSME says so, dammit.
Bye now. I'll turn the lights off when I leave.
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NJ might be more so. They seem to have had some HS talent, along with Philly.
The best running back in the country is from NJ. Saquon Barkley was too.
Both were committed to SUNJ before they flipped to UW and PSU, respectively.
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Most universities are strong in some sport consistently, like wrestling or something. Rutgers?
Do they bring TV eyeballs to the table? NY State does not seem like a CFB hotbed at all, nor New England. NJ might be more so. They seem to have had some HS talent, along with Philly.
Be interesting to see how many on the Rutger lineup are home grown.
Not really, but they brought cable subscribers to the B1G tv footprint, and that's why they were added. As the cable subscriber model dies off, there will be no real reason to have them in the B1G, but I don't think it's realistic they'll be kicked out. At this point, the B1G is stuck with them.
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D'Andre Swift is from Philadelphia, as well, he's a pretty good RB. Knowshom Moreno was from NJ.
Swift doesn't have impressive numbers running the ball but they are using him to catch passes effectively. He's almost certain to go pro.
Seems like Maryland and SUNJ have recruiting grounds near them.
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Yeah, I forget about cable subscriptions. I get BTN down here as the package we get through the HOA. I often forget it's there.
I'm amazed how many channels are selling stuff 24/7. Do folks sit and watch these channels and buy stuff? Really?
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I don't get BTN or PAC. They're available as an extra-pay option but not on my standard sports tiers. I do get LHN and SECN on the standard package that has ESPN in it. I guess I can thank an Aggie for the latter.
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Buckeye are off three of the next four Saturdays. Two bye weeks and a Friday night game. Ugh.
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I don't have any control over what we get on "cable" (it's satellite) except I guess I can add something. And of course I could choose not to watch some channels.
When we moved here, I figured we got "very basic cable" and slow internet, it's been a pleasant surprise.
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Correct.
Legislators in Illinois (based on a plan from the new Governor Big Boy) are pushing to open the constitution next year, but it's not to address the pension python.
Nope. They are trying to open it to address the flat tax issue. Illinois is a flat tax state. They are pushing to make it a progressive tax state. But no. Leave those pensions alone. AFSME says so, dammit.
Bye now. I'll turn the lights off when I leave.
This is one of the reasons that I proposed above and advocate for a federally mandated solution. In a lot of states the public sector unions wield so much political power that it is politically (or constitutionally as in Illinois, but that is just a manifestation of the underlying political reality) impossible to make the necessary cuts.
The problem that creates is that the current legislators can't make cuts but they can't (or won't) raise taxes or cut services to fund the pensions so they just kick the can down the road to the next group of legislators.
In Ohio term limits for state legislators have made the problem even worse. Before term limits most legislators hoped and expected to be in the legislature for a long time. As such, when confronted with an issue like this they reasonably expected that they would have to deal with it someday. Now they all KNOW that they will not be around very long so kicking the can down the road to the next group of legislators has become substantially more relatively appealing.
The problem, of course, is that the underlying underfunded pension issue compounds every year such that it is a MUCH bigger problem now than it was 10 years ago and it will be a MUCH bigger problem 10 years from now than it is today. If you kick the can down the road long enough you end up in a situation like Detroit where there are literally no viable solutions.
Ex, if you raise the retirement age by four years today you will save the system (lets say) $1B. If you had made that change 10 years ago you might have saved the system $5B. If you wait 10 years then make that change it might only save $100k. The exact amounts are not germane, the point is that when you kick the problem down the road, the problem gets exponentially bigger.
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I don't know what to feel about term limits. I like the guy that reps our district, so I'd hate to see him lose out to term limits.
The House Speaker has been so for all but two years, since 1983. I'd like to see a limit on that. He has wrecked everything in this once-great State, including legislating "pension holidays" into law.
He's speaker, has a super-majority (veto-proof) and he also chairs his party - which means he controls all the money. This means all of his caucus is at his mercy. If one of them crosses him, he puts up his own candidate to crush the guy/gal. It happens a lot here. I wish he could be stopped. Nothing positive will happen in the way of reform here until he's gone.
A term limit on speaker (and senate president) might be a great thing here.
Of course, the Feds have been indicting guys very close to him lately. I'm sure they have their eye on the prize. Sure hope so.
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term limits won't change anything but, the names and faces
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I don't know what to feel about term limits. I like the guy that reps our district, so I'd hate to see him lose out to term limits.
The House Speaker has been so for all but two years, since 1983. I'd like to see a limit on that. He has wrecked everything in this once-great State, including legislating "pension holidays" into law.
He's speaker, has a super-majority (veto-proof) and he also chairs his party - which means he controls all the money. This means all of his caucus is at his mercy. If one of them crosses him, he puts up his own candidate to crush the guy/gal. It happens a lot here. I wish he could be stopped. Nothing positive will happen in the way of reform here until he's gone.
A term limit on speaker (and senate president) might be a great thing here.
Of course, the Feds have been indicting guys very close to him lately. I'm sure they have their eye on the prize. Sure hope so.
term limits won't change anything but, the names and faces
I concur with @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) and I'll add a few things.
First, a lot of people view this as a partisan, R v D thing but it isn't. Term limits cut both ways. In Ohio we had a Speaker of the Ohio House named Vern Riffe who served as Speaker for 20 years. He was a D and a lot of R's supported term limits because they wanted to get rid of him. Well, that worked, but like Fearless said that just changes the names and faces. There isn't a partisan advantage to one side or the other.
I work with the State Government in Ohio a lot and I'll give you my perspective on what Term Limits have done. For clarification, term limits passed for State Legislators in Ohio in 1992 and limited Representatives and Senators to eight years. Well, not exactly. Reps are limited to four consecutive two year terms and Senators are limited to two consecutive four year terms. Legislators can return to a Chamber (either House or Senate) after being out of THAT Chamber for four years. Ie, if Badge and I lived in the same place we could indefinitely swap offices every four or eight years.
What terms limits have actually done:
- They have made the parties MUCH more powerful: Unless you are either independently wealthy or retired, you need a job once your time in the legislature is done. As a practical matter, the likely source of that job is likely to be your party but if you want that post-legislature job, you better toe the party line while you are in.
- They have made the bureaucrats MUCH more powerful: Prior to term limits a good Representative or Senator could make a bad bureaucrat's life very difficult. Now, they really can't. By the time they have been around long enough to know that Bureaucrat X isn't doing his/her job, the legislator is on their way out the door and can't do anything about it.
- They have made the Lobbyists MUCH more powerful: Prior to term limits lobbyists asked legislators for things that they wanted. Now they basically dictate because the legislators don't know what the heck is going on. Additionally, if your post-legislature job is NOT provided by your party (see #1) then it will most likely be provided by a lobbyist but you aren't getting that job unless you did that lobbyist's bidding when you were in the legislature.
- They have given legislators an even shorter view of the world. This was a problem before term limits and it is an inherent problem of any representative democracy because it encourages the elected officials to have an outlook that basically only runs to the next election. Before term limits at least SOME legislators realized or presumed that they would be around for longer than two or four years so they didn't want to do anything that would put the State in a difficult situation 10 or 20 years down the road because they thought there was a decent chance that they might have to fix that problem in 10 or 20 years. Now they have no such concern. They absolutely KNOW that they cannot maintain their current office for 10 or 20 years so kicking difficult issues down the road for some other people to deal with later which was always an attractive option for officials facing reelection is an even more attractive option.
Bottom line, support term limits if you want a substantial portion of your legislators to be retired or independently wealthy and if you want to increase the power of Political Parties, Bureaucrats, and Lobbyists at the expense of the voters along with increasing the chance that the elected officials fail to plan for anything beyond a very short timeframe.
If you would rather have legislators from different walks of life and you prefer the voters have power rather than the Political Parties, Bureaucrats, and Lobbyists along with getting at least some long-term thinking from your elected officials then you should oppose term limits.
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Bringing this all back to the Pension issue (where this semi-political digression started), consider the situation in Illinois from the perspective of an Illinois legislator:
According to this link that I found (https://www.illinoispolicy.org/state-bailout-of-local-pension-funds-would-bring-illinois-pension-debt-to-200b/), the State of Illinois already spends more than a quarter of its revenues on total pension costs. That is staggering if you think about it and give Illinois State legislators very limited ability to make any changes.
If 25% of your total revenues are gobbled up by pension costs you really only control the other 75%. It is worse than that though, Illinois' pensions are massively underfunded. Per the article, Illinois pension debt is already $137 billion and would grow to $200 billion if they are forced to bail out the local pension systems (mostly Chicago). Per this link (https://www.illinoispolicy.org/39-billion-where-does-illinois-tax-revenue-come-from/), Illinois' total annual revenues are only about $34 billion and they are ALREADY spending more than their revenues and under-funding their pensions.
It is worse than that though, in government just as in personal budgeting there are a lot of items that you (or your legislators) don't really have a choice about. For just a few examples, 11% of Illinois' total revenues come from the Feds but Federal money ALWAYS comes with strings so they are legally required to spend it on the Federally mandated purpose. Ie, the State of Illinois can't just take Federal Highway money and use that to shore up their pension systems.
In addition to the money that comes with strings, there are a lot of government expenditures that are either legally, morally, or politically unavoidable. We or Illinois legislators can argue about exactly how much Illinois should spend on plowing, paving, and repairing roads but nobody will seriously argue that they should just stop providing roads (or bridges or a whole host of other things).
It is worse than that though because they are already $200 billion behind because that anticipated bailout of local pension systems isn't really a question of "if", it is a question of "when". Just like the hypothetical Detroit beat cop that I mentioned several pages ago, Chicago beat cops who have spent the last 30 years trying to keep Chicagoans from killing each other has definitely earned a pension. When Chicago follows Detroit into pension-induced bankruptcy it will be neither morally nor politically possible for the state of Illinois to just watch from the sidelines while retired Chicago Cops, Firefighters, etc form bread lines begging for handouts.
Bottom line, Illinois is already operating an an annual deficit of ~$5 billion and they have ~$200 billion in pension liability. If they cut expenditures or raised taxes by 20% tomorrow that would only provide them with roughly a $3 billion annual surplus and it would take nearly 70 years for those $3 billion annual surpluses to accumulate enough money to wipe out the pension debt. If they raised taxes and cut expenditures by 20% each that would give them somewhere around an $11 billion annual surplus but it would still take 20 years to wipe out the pension debt.
It is worse than that in Ohio though because term limits give our legislators absolutely zero motivation to solve this conundrum. It is axiomatic that any solution will be politically painful. Nobody wants a 20% tax hike or a 20% spending cut and both at the same time would be brutal both economically and politically. If I am term limited out in a few years why should I support such items when I could just kick the can down the road and let some future legislator deal with it?
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pension talk not going away.... :)
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Probably never will.
Conference expansion too.
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Pension talk not going away.... :)
Probably never will.
If what I am hearing is anywhere close to correct, this will be one of the dominant political issues in America in 15-25 years. Like I said at the outset, Detroit is just (pick your metaphor, the tip of the iceberg or the canary in the coalmine).
Within the next 15-25 years public sector pensions will create massive problems in some very large states and then there will be talk of federal bailouts and the like and that will be a mess. You got your primer on it here!
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uuhhhh..... thanks?
Kidding, really, always appreciate insights on such issues from those who are knowledgeable.
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The best running back in the country is from NJ. Saquon Barkley was too.
Both were committed to SUNJ before they flipped to UW and PSU, respectively.
So is the best baseball player on the planet...
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So is the best baseball player on the planet...
Which is who, today?
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Mike Trout. NJ native. That's been the correct answer for about 7 years.
I suppose a case can be assembled for a couple others. Yelich, Bregman, ...
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Buckeye are off three of the next four Saturdays. Two bye weeks and a Friday night game. Ugh.
I was going to click likes this on your post but I don't
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. . . What terms limits have actually done:
- They have made the parties MUCH more powerful: Unless you are either independently wealthy or retired, you need a job once your time in the legislature is done. As a practical matter, the likely source of that job is likely to be your party but if you want that post-legislature job, you better toe the party line while you are in.
- They have made the bureaucrats MUCH more powerful: Prior to term limits a good Representative or Senator could make a bad bureaucrat's life very difficult. Now, they really can't. By the time they have been around long enough to know that Bureaucrat X isn't doing his/her job, the legislator is on their way out the door and can't do anything about it.
- They have made the Lobbyists MUCH more powerful: Prior to term limits lobbyists asked legislators for things that they wanted. Now they basically dictate because the legislators don't know what the heck is going on. Additionally, if your post-legislature job is NOT provided by your party (see #1) then it will most likely be provided by a lobbyist but you aren't getting that job unless you did that lobbyist's bidding when you were in the legislature.
- They have given legislators an even shorter view of the world. This was a problem before term limits and it is an inherent problem of any representative democracy because it encourages the elected officials to have an outlook that basically only runs to the next election. Before term limits at least SOME legislators realized or presumed that they would be around for longer than two or four years so they didn't want to do anything that would put the State in a difficult situation 10 or 20 years down the road because they thought there was a decent chance that they might have to fix that problem in 10 or 20 years. Now they have no such concern. They absolutely KNOW that they cannot maintain their current office for 10 or 20 years so kicking difficult issues down the road for some other people to deal with later which was always an attractive option for officials facing reelection is an even more attractive option.
Bottom line, support term limits if you want a substantial portion of your legislators to be retired or independently wealthy and if you want to increase the power of Political Parties, Bureaucrats, and Lobbyists at the expense of the voters along with increasing the chance that the elected officials fail to plan for anything beyond a very short timeframe.
If you would rather have legislators from different walks of life and you prefer the voters have power rather than the Political Parties, Bureaucrats, and Lobbyists along with getting at least some long-term thinking from your elected officials then you should oppose term limits.
I agree with some of this, and disagree with just as much.
1. There is an argument that--at least at the national level--the weakened parties are either a part of the problem or a symptom of it. Weakening the parties began during the Progressive Era, and it was done by design, as progressives ID'd parties as the main source of corruption in politics. They may have been corrupt, like pretty much everything else in politics is, but they also exercised party discipline because they knew the voters could and would hold them responsible. For example, when GOP passed the "McKinley Tariff" of 1890, it seemed to be the major cause of growing economic hardships facing farmers. It wasn't just William McKinley who suffered, the GOP got wiped out in the mid-term elections later that year, and President Benjamin Harrison was defeated for re-election in 1892. Grover Cleveland was handily elected to a second (and non-consecutive) term as President that year. Nowadays, many of the national political stars operate as lone wolves, unrestrained by party discipline, and it's harder to pin the tail on who's responsible for the latest fiasco.
3. Seems like more-powerful parties would fix much of the problem that you identify here.
4. The other side of the argument here is that the pols will be less concerned about their own re-elections, and so will be more likely to do the more responsible thing. Taking the difficult steps to fix problems that have built up over generations of bad government is politically dangerous. People whose idea of a career is a lifetime in politics can't be any more willing to take such steps than people who know they are only going to be around a relatively short time.
To your last comment, I don't think lifetime office-holding brings us the diversity of professions, viewpoints and opinions that you are advocating. Most office-holders now (at the national level, where there no term-limits) are lawyers. I can't see that terms limits would make that worse.
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I can reply in more detail later but all of the arguments in favor of term limits are theoretical and none of them have worked out in reality in Ohio, none.
In practice, term limits throw the baby out with the bathwater and decrease the power of the voters to the benefit of lobbyists, bureaucrats, and Political Parties.
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I can't argue with you on what's happened in Ohio, Medina.
We've got term limits in Oklahoma, and we don't seem to have had the maladies that Ohio has had, but I'll grant you that the benefits are more theoretical than real here as well.