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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Hawkinole on September 24, 2019, 02:25:32 PM
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At or outside the Jack Trice Stadium, one Iowa band member suffered fx ribs. A female band member was groped by an Iowa State fan. Complaints were made. The two athletic directors consulted, then with little comment said they were closing their investigation. It appeared they were papering over it and not telling the public what happened. Hawkeye Marching Band members took them to task on social media, stating specifics what happened to some members.
The presidents of the universities became involved, and the president of the U of Iowa is suggesting Iowa may not play Iowa State next season without some type of negotiations concerning player, band, and student safety including use of security forces to assure safety.
I don't suspect that given the money involved the president of the university is truly serious about shutting down the rivalry. I would like to see this rivalry reduced. I don't regard it as one of Iowa's big rivalry games. The Iowa State people do regard it as such. As I get older I am more nostalgic for Iowa-Notre Dame, and other big name programs that used to be on Iowa's schedule. I don't think Iowa should justify the Iowa State program by giving them a game every year. This game would seem more worthwhile if played less. And, now there is talk of terminating the game as it was terminated for 40+ years in the 1930s due to fan misconduct.
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the president of the U would need to go through the Governor to not play the game
but, I suppose it's possible
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Not a perfect solution but schools should just leave the band at home for all away games except for bowl games.
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I look forward to that game, but am not a fan of either team. So my opinion is not particularly relevant.
Truth be told I've always been kinda jealous of the teams that get to have a fixed out of conference rivalry.
As such I find it kind of infuriating when teams have a perfect one all served up on a silver platter, and then refuse to play it. Like Nebraska-Oklahoma. Or Texas-aTm.
I'm sure that they all have what they would consider to be "good reasons" to not play it, but I hate it nonetheless.
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I look at this game as one that Iowa should absolutely want to play. Why wouldn't the 2 P5 schools from the same state not want to play each other? It is such a natural rivalry, it makes perfect sense to play every year.
The games that Iowa need to scale back are the Miami-Ohio and MTSU type games. The MTSU game this week just seems weird after Iowa has already play 2 P5 schools this year. By now the cupcakes should be gone from the schedule, especially since Iowa got a bye last week.
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King held a press conference Tuesday to discuss a controversial post. He said a reporter with the Des Moines Register called attention to an offensive social media post he made when he was 16 years old.
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I was under the impression that unruly conduct MADE a rivalry. Hmmph.
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If Iowa just gave up 1 home game once every 6 years, it could play another decent P5 team OOC once every 3 years in a home and home series. And I found the perfect year for Iowa to give up that extra home game. 2024. Iowa's cross-overs in 2024 are Rut, MD and Indy. Meanwhile ISU, Wisc, NW, and Neb play in Iowa City that year. It's the perfect year to play a quality OOC team on the road.
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If Iowa just gave up 1 home game once every 6 years, it could play another decent P5 team OOC once every 3 years in a home and home series. And I found the perfect year for Iowa to give up that extra home game. 2024. Iowa's cross-overs in 2024 are Rut, MD and Indy. Meanwhile ISU, Wisc, NW, and Neb play in Iowa City that year. It's the perfect year to play a quality OOC team on the road.
There was an article a few weeks ago on www.Hawkcentral.com that suggested Iowa is working on a big game to be played possibly at Soldier Field, with a well-recognized opponent. And, I suspect that will be Notre Dame. What other name brand would play Iowa in Chicago one time? There was no mention of a return event at a pro-stadium elsewhere in the USA. I checked ND's schedule to confirm my suspicion and both schools have Sept. 21 open. Of course, I am speculating, but what other big-named school would play Iowa in Chicago, and there would be no regional return trip? FSU played Iowa State at Arrowhead in one of those kick-off classic type games, and Iowa State didn't return to Jacksonville or Orlando, but this is not one of those types of kick-off events.
I suppose you could look at the military academies, but why would they not play home and home?
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I was under the impression that unruly conduct MADE a rivalry. Hmmph.
Perhaps other types of unruly conduct contribute, but sexual assault and assaults causing fx ribs to band members do not contribute to a rivalry. They detract from civility.
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The vast majority of programs have scheduled their major non-con games at least through 2025 (if not 2030) or so, so cancelling games before then wouldn't allow Iowa (or Iowa State) to schedule any higher profile programs instead. For example, Michigan has its upcoming series with Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma through 2027, but there aren't even that many high-profile options left for 2028 and 2029 (Tennessee, Texas A&M, California, and Virginia being among the best, as bad as that sounds..... Potentially Notre Dame again, though).
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The vast majority of programs have scheduled their major non-con games at least through 2025 (if not 2030) or so, so cancelling games before then wouldn't allow Iowa (or Iowa State) to schedule any higher profile programs instead. For example, Michigan has its upcoming series with Washington, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma through 2027, but there aren't even that many high-profile options left for 2028 and 2029 (Tennessee, Texas A&M, California, and Virginia being among the best, as bad as that sounds..... Potentially Notre Dame again, though).
Iowa and ND have an opening in 2024. 30-50 years ago, Iowa scheduled 10-years out, but no longer do they schedule that far ahead.
But I understand now what you are saying if the ISU v. Iowa game were to be canceled in 2020. Iowa could probably schedule a game, but not against a P-5, and probably would have to find an FCS team. Last season after Iowa State was lighteninged out of a game against Akron, I think, they scheduled Drake, an FCS nonscholarship program, in November, and nearly lost the game in a monsoon.
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The interesting thing is wasn't the Notre Dame-Iowa series cancelled because of dirty play by Notre Dame? Maybe it was a blatant fake injury late in a game that allowed ND to score a winning TD? Can't remember the exact details.
Also interesting that back in the 50's and 60's, Illinois refused to play Iowa for 15 years because of something the Iowa fans did. Not sure what. It's all before my time so I am fuzzy on the details.
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There was an article a few weeks ago on www.Hawkcentral.com that suggested Iowa is working on a big game to be played possibly at Soldier Field, with a well-recognized opponent. And, I suspect that will be Notre Dame. What other name brand would play Iowa in Chicago one time? There was no mention of a return event at a pro-stadium elsewhere in the USA. I checked ND's schedule to confirm my suspicion and both schools have Sept. 21 open. Of course, I am speculating, but what other big-named school would play Iowa in Chicago, and there would be no regional return trip? FSU played Iowa State at Arrowhead in one of those kick-off classic type games, and Iowa State didn't return to Jacksonville or Orlando, but this is not one of those types of kick-off events.
I suppose you could look at the military academies, but why would they not play home and home?
This is not "official" information, rather rumor I've heard enough to believe, but apparently Iowa tried to make a ND @ Soldier game work a few years ago. Barta asked Pollard for a small break from the series to make it happen, Pollard threatened to sue, the deal fell through. ND then scheduled Wisconsin.
Could Barta finally do the math to realize Iowa can give up a scrub home game for a big neutral site game? Perhaps, but his long-standing excuses haven't wavered previously. Iowa does have ISU at home in 2024, which I think would be a minimum requirement for giving up the 3rd home OOC.
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It would be a huge blow if this series was placed on yet another hiatus. I don't think a lot of folks realize just how passionate the state of Iowa is about college football. It puts some SEC states to shame in that regard, as there are no local professional teams to root for. And unlike Nebraska or Alabama, success on the field is completely optional. For the vast majority of the renditions, at least one of the teams is utterly terrible, sometimes both. There are no conference title implications because ISU and Iowa haven't played in the same conference in over a century. The only things they play for are a nondescript trophy and state pride. But this game gets blood boiling like few others do - each side absolutely detests the other and losing this game is not an option. I don't know of any other rivalry where you could literally throw out the record books for this game, as 2 or 3-win ISU teams have knocked off bowl-bound Iowa teams multiple times. You never see that in the Iron Bowl for example. Another unique trait is that this game is almost always played in September, rather than on Rivalry Weekend in November. Both teams tend to have plenty of rust to shake off yet as it's just the second or third game of the season, which leads to lots of head-scratching plays and "WTF" moments. I guess that's just part of this rivalry's charm.
Non-native Iowans often find themselves having to pick a "side" when they move to the state, and picking the wrong team could lead to taunts, insults, and ostracism. Des Moines is ground zero for this rivalry, as hundreds of thousands of Iowa and ISU grads and fans call this metro home. More and more ISU grads are staying closer to home, so whatever edge Iowa fans once had is diminishing rapidly.
I don't foresee this rivalry being called off because 1) it needs approval from the BOR and governor and 2) it's a lot of money lost for each school. It's a guaranteed sellout, plus local businesses benefit. I do think that there will be some changes (beefed up security, maybe the bands stay home, etc) but some agreement will be reached and the series will continue as planned.
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I don't foresee this rivalry being called off because 1) it needs approval from the BOR and governor and 2) it's a lot of money lost for each school. It's a guaranteed sellout, plus local businesses benefit. I do think that there will be some changes (beefed up security, maybe the bands stay home, etc) but some agreement will be reached and the series will continue as planned.
Ed Zachery
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The beefed up security is the way to go.
You can't let a couple of knuckleheads bring down a rivalry.
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perhaps simply a public call out to all Iowans to clean things up
this isn't Illinois or Missouri!
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perhaps simply a public call out to all Iowans to clean things up
this isn't Illinois or Missouri!
But, knowing that you yourself are an Iowan, I know that such a cleanup is impossible.
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well, I'm no one's internet nice guy
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You can say THAT again!
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There was an article a few weeks ago on www.Hawkcentral.com that suggested Iowa is working on a big game to be played possibly at Soldier Field, with a well-recognized opponent. And, I suspect that will be Notre Dame.
Could be Northern Illinois. It's happened before with them.
Could also be a "non-conference" game with an East team like M, O, or P.
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couldn't be Mizzou!
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one Iowa band member suffered fx ribs.
What's a fx ribs? Is that a sandwich from McDonalds?
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I think fx is a medical abbreviation for fractured.
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What's a fx ribs? Is that a sandwich from McDonalds?
Not until November, or something.
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I think fx is a medical abbreviation for fractured.
Iowa fans are using medical jargon now, given that the hospital is so close to the stadium. Maybe it's learning through osmosis.
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I look forward to that game, but am not a fan of either team. So my opinion is not particularly relevant.
Truth be told I've always been kinda jealous of the teams that get to have a fixed out of conference rivalry.
As such I find it kind of infuriating when teams have a perfect one all served up on a silver platter, and then refuse to play it. Like Nebraska-Oklahoma. Or Texas-aTm.
I'm sure that they all have what they would consider to be "good reasons" to not play it, but I hate it nonetheless.
When I was a student at OU (1972-77), the OU-Nebraska game was on a similar plane as the OU-Texas game. Very different sorts of rivalries, though. One was a rivalry of mutual respect, the other of mutual hatred.
But OU-Nebraska hadn't been anything special (as far as I know) prior to the 1971 GOTC. OU had dominated in the 1950s, then, as OU declined, Nebraska was getting better and better throughout the '60s. The Huskers were conference co-champs in 1969 and sole champions (and AP national champs) in 1970. Then, for a stretch of almost 20 years, OU and Nebraska between them dominated the Big 8. The winner of the head-to-head game always won or shared the conference championship and usually went to the Orange Bowl. One or the other was the champ or co-champ every year from 1971 through 1988. Then in the 1990s OU tailed off--then plummeted off--while Nebraska had its greatest-ever decade. Also during the '90s, Colorado became a big rival--maybe bigger than OU--for Nebraska.
In the middle of the '90s, the Big 12 was formed. OU-Nebraska became a 2-years-out-of-4 rivalry, as OU didn't care enough to fight for the Big 12 to have an annual cross-divisional rivalry game. And it became less of a rivalry at the same time it wasn't competitive anymore. To put it nicely, OU got its head pounded in a couple of time. OU rebounded in 2000, but Nebraska tailed off after 2001. In both those years, winning the head-to-head game was a key component of the season. But it seldom was after that, although the two teams played in CCG the last year Nebraska was in the Big 12.
If the two programs had parted conference ways in the 1970s or '80s, an annual OOC game might have been very attractive. But after 2010, with the 15 years of dwindling importance and interest in the half-rivalry, it seemed less so. The formation of the Big 12, with Nebraska and OU in different divisions, and no permanent crossover games, doomed the rivalry as much as Nebraska leaving for the Big Ten.
If the two programs ever started a permanent annual OOC game, it would be primarily for tradition's sake. Neither would get much if any recruiting boost, as neither recruits much in the other's state. It would be sort like USC-Notre Dame--a "pure" annual OOC rivalry that has no need to exist, except for the tradition that it has existed since the Knute Rockne era.
I'm very glad that we're playing the Huskers in 1921-22 2021-22 and 1929-30 2029-30. But I don't think it's going to lead to an annual OOC game. Only old geezers like me, and not-quite-so-old geezers like Fearless would push for it. The younger fans don't remember the glory days.
As for Texas and Texas A&M, I believe those two programs parted ways with very bitter feelings. Utee or one of the other Horns could tell you more about that.
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I am assuming that you mean 2021 and 2029, and not 1921 and 1929?
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My Dad credits the 1959 upset with turning that game into one OU would begin to notice. They snapped OUs billion game conference winning streak, then hired Devaney a few years later.
A lot of reverence for each other, and that was true while it was a big deal, not just in retrospect. That's why about 99% of Nebraska fans were incensed at Billy Cs comments when he called some OU fans f ing hillbillies.
I don't think it will ever be an annual affair, but I'd sign up for twice every 10 years.
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I am assuming that you mean 2021 and 2029, and not 1921 and 1929?
Ay-yi-yi!
I'm a history teacher, Brutus. It's a daily struggle to keep myself in the right century!
I apologize for hijacking this Iowa thread.
I too enjoy the Iowa-Iowa State rivalry, even though our team from Iowa usually comes out the loser. In-state P5 teams from different conferences should err on the side of playing each other more rather than less, IMO.
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I'm glad they play. I almost always watch it, and you'd be damn sure I wouldn't watch them play somebody else from the MAC or other nonP5.
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Perhaps other types of unruly conduct contribute, but sexual assault and assaults causing fx ribs to band members do not contribute to a rivalry. They detract from civility.
Well we're in 2019 where those things actually get reported now. Think of the deluge of nastiness that transpired over the years that never got headlines.....
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The interesting thing is wasn't the Notre Dame-Iowa series cancelled because of dirty play by Notre Dame? Maybe it was a blatant fake injury late in a game that allowed ND to score a winning TD? Can't remember the exact details.
Also interesting that back in the 50's and 60's, Illinois refused to play Iowa for 15 years because of something the Iowa fans did. Not sure what. It's all before my time so I am fuzzy on the details.
Indirectly the Fainting Irish game of 1953 I suspect that was the catalytic converter for ending the series. Games were scheduled out about 10-20 years. The last game in the series was 1968. Forest Evashevski was so upset he became poetic, "When the One Great Scorer comes to write against our name, He won't write whether we won or lost, but how come we got gypped at Notre Dame".
Notre Dame faked injuries at the end of each half when they were in the red zone running out of time, multiple times. In the 2nd half, two players walking away from the end of the play suddenly drop, simultaneously apparently unaware of which one was supposed to, stopping the clock. Notre Dame would run a replacement in, play another down, and scored at the end of each half this way. Notre Dame was ranked #1, coming into the game. ND had one more game left against USC. But Frank Leahy never coached it, and never coached another game. Grantland Rice a sportswriter decried the tactics of Notre Dame, and was furious. Notre Dame 9-0-1 lost the mythical national title to Maryland, 10-1. Iowa despite finishing 3-3, and 5-3-1 vaulted to #9 in the AP final poll. The game no doubt brought a lot of good attention to the Iowa football program, and helped Evashevski build the program. Wisconsin finished #15 AP 4-1-1 and 6-2-1.
I suspect Evashevski never forgot the disdain he felt for Notre Dame. After he became Athletic Director circa 1961 he stopped scheduling ND. Remember, Iowa usually played ND in Iowa's rivalry week, i.e. the last game of the season, then it ended in 1968. I recall Hayden Fry stating on his call-in show that he would like to schedule Notre Dame. And, I believe I have heard Kirk Ferentz speak several years ago to not wanting to schedule Notre Dame.
I never heard the rumor about a hiatus in the Iowa - ISU series being considered to schedule ND. That's what I have been promoting on this board that we reduce Iowa State's frequency and insert Notre Dame, but didn't figure the Athletic Director considered it.
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Is ND wanting to play Iowa every year? They've been wishy washy about the three Big Ten games that they do/did play every year, and they hardly ever play anyone else from the Big Ten beyond that. In 95 and 96 they played OSU instead of Michigan, and I can't even think of any other times that they've played someone other than their main three since (minus bowl games, of course).
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I've heard the ND-Iowa rumors for a while now, but as far as a series or neutral-site game actually happening, I'll believe it when I see it.
I do believe that the 9-game conference schedule does limit Iowa's scheduling options, and when one of the games is ISU, it really becomes difficult scheduling a quality opponent because 85% of the schedule (bowl game included) are P5 teams. Iowa usually has little difficulty getting bowl eligible, but there are lean years where having those extra "gimmie" games really helps.
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Is ND wanting to play Iowa every year? They've been wishy washy about the three Big Ten games that they do/did play every year, and they hardly ever play anyone else from the Big Ten beyond that. In 95 and 96 they played OSU instead of Michigan, and I can't even think of any other times that they've played someone other than their main three since (minus bowl games, of course).
No, one-time thing.
They've got Wisconsin scheduled for 20/21 and OSU for 22/23.
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Indirectly the Fainting Irish game of 1953 I suspect that was the catalytic converter for ending the series. Games were scheduled out about 10-20 years. The last game in the series was 1968. Forest Evashevski was so upset he became poetic, "When the One Great Scorer comes to write against our name, He won't write whether we won or lost, but how come we got gypped at Notre Dame".
Notre Dame faked injuries at the end of each half when they were in the red zone running out of time, multiple times. In the 2nd half, two players walking away from the end of the play suddenly drop, simultaneously apparently unaware of which one was supposed to, stopping the clock. Notre Dame would run a replacement in, play another down, and scored at the end of each half this way.
@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) should know that LSU didn't invent this unsportsmanlike tactic to slow down the vaunted Texas no huddle offense, been going on for decades
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@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) should know that LSU didn't invent this unsportsmanlike tactic to slow down the vaunted Texas no huddle offense, been going on for decades
Oh LSU certainly didn't invent it. I've just never in my life seen it used 13 times in one game. I don't think I've ever even seen it done more than once in a game and the VAST majority of games, it happens zero times. And this is coming from a fan of a B12 team, a conference where we've seen HUNH offenses used regularly for a couple decades now.
It was pretty shocking to me that ANY team would do it that much, much less one of the big bad vaunted defenses of the SEC. Sign o' the times I suppose.
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Anyway, I enjoy watching this game annually, and like Marq said, I definitely wouldn't tune in to watch Iowa play some MAC or other non-P5 opponent.
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The ND guy pulling his teammate down for an "injury" was a first for me. All different players on all different teams routinely do it once or twice a game for obvious reasons.
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The ND guy pulling his teammate down for an "injury" was a first for me. All different players on all different teams routinely do it once or twice a game for obvious reasons.
There was a point in the Texas-LSU game when two LSU players flopped at the same time. Then they looked at each other, realized they didn't both need to fake an injury at the same time, so one of them pops right back up and goes about his business. It was comical.
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when the no huddle came into fashion, I remember many teams on defense using this tactic multiple times per drive to slow them down and allow substitutions
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Notre Dame's visit to Nebraska in 1925 was a landmark game for the Huskers for several reasons. The Nebraska win evened up the eleven game series between the two schools, and it also marked the end to the rivalry for many years.
The Nebraska defense stood tall for the rest of the game. At the final gun, the Huskers had upset Notre Dame 17-0 claiming just their 4th win of the season, but gaining their fifth win over Notre Dame.
The defeat was bitter for Notre Dame, and as a result, the events that followed the game burned even deeper. Notre Dame officials claimed they were peppered with an ongoing assault of anti-Catholic taunts from the Nebraska faithful. Taunts that they said had gone too far. Knute Rockne himself bristled at the comments made in various newspaper accounts of the contests over the past few years and took it upon himself to write scathing letters to the paper's editors.
In the face of the ongoing friction and the decreasing payouts that Notre Dame was receiving for their trips to Lincoln, the Notre Dame athletic board made the recommendation that Nebraska be dropped from the 1926 Notre Dame schedule. Rockne considered that action to be too harsh. Although the gate receipts were declining over the years, he still needed those funds to pay for his athletic department. Rockne argued vehemently that the Huskers remain on the schedule. Plus Rockne still had a score to settle after losing the 1925 match. In the end, however, Vice President Finigan canceled the 1926 Nebraska game and ended any negotiations for further contests.
Rockne tried several times in the years following to restore the trips to Nebraska but each effort failed. It would be another twenty-two years before Nebraska and Notre Dame would meet again.