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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on July 15, 2017, 09:41:09 AM
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Wisconsin commits by state:
California: 1
Illinois: 1
Indiana: 1
Michigan: 5 (!)
Nebraska: 1
New York: 1
Ohio: 2
Texas: 2
Wisconsin: 5
The UW class is done except for staving off late offers from helmets, which could happen with a few of these kids.
I'm also thinking the "commit" from Indiana may have his offer pulled as it sounds like he is still shopping. :106:
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Purdue started June with zero 2018 commits. They now have 15.
Given the makeup of classes, they don't have much more room unless there is additional attrition.
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Wisconsin commits by state:
California: 1
Illinois: 1
Indiana: 1
Michigan: 5 (!)
Nebraska: 1
New York: 1
Ohio: 2
Texas: 2
Wisconsin: 5
The UW class is done except for staving off late offers from helmets, which could happen with a few of these kids.
I'm also thinking the "commit" from Indiana may have his offer pulled as it sounds like he is still shopping. :106:
Are we individually copying/pasting posts from the old site? I thought we'd be importing them...through some kind of computer magic (thanks Drew! that sounds like it'd take a long time). Anyway, I thought this one in response to yours on the last site could prompt good discussion from you:
dudekd wrote: The degree to which Wisconsin feasted on MSU's misfortune in-state is impressive, especially because a few of those guys were Spartan plan-b/c's who, in a normal year, would have signed up after as little as East Lansing appearing on their caller ID. I'm very curious about the next cycle to see whether this was a one-off or a slow colonization. If it's the latter, it's likely that Wisconsin will soon be taking the intermittent kid that Michigan wants too.
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I doubt we will be allowed to have the data to import.
Anyway, I don't see UW beating UM for a state kid UM wants, unless they go on serious probation or something. Probably will never happen.
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I guess technically he is a 2022 recruit, but this kid is 6'4" 286 as a 7th grader, and runs a 4.7 40.
Alabama offered
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/20145633/jaheim-oatis-286-pound-eighth-grader-gets-scholarship-offers-alabama-crimson-tide-ole-miss-rebels-mississippi-state-bulldogs
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Get em David
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFWsQ11U0AA8-Wo.jpg)
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He's right. More than that, most camps have between zero and two college prospects. It's an outrageously dilute recruiting pool.
But that wasn't the recruiting value of satellite camps for Harbaugh. For him, it was much more likely about building strong long term relationships with high school coaches he'd never met. And as a returning college coach, that value was magnified.
And while that kind of long game probably doesn't appeal to most, he also REALLY likes teaching kids who will never play CFB how to get better. So he doesn't experience any tedium. Even if there were zero media coverage, for Harbaugh, those camps are just good living.
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I'd be much more inclined to be on board with your take if there weren't billboards and other ads for a "MICHIGAN SUMMER SWARM", for example.
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MSU adds 3/4* LB Chase Kline from Ohio, who was also looking at BC, Purdue, Minnesota, and *shocker* Ivies.
The rumors we're this kid was the reason MSU didn't accept the commitment of Brian Asamoah, so it will be interesting to compare their careers.
Kline very well could grow into a DE, while Asamoah is sort of the same player as prior commitment Jeslord Boateng, so that may have factored in.
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I'd be much more inclined to be on board with your take if there weren't billboards and other ads for a "MICHIGAN SUMMER SWARM", for example.
That he's also a smart recruiter (that he advertises) is pathetic proof that "he doesn't also enjoy teaching kids who will never play college football." It can be (and probably is) both ways.
Meanwhile, the disproportionate time (relative to others) and candor he spends with those kids who'll never play CFB, supports my position** about as much as an outsider's opinion can be supported on such things. The intense advertising of Michigan doesn't disprove that; it just gives you wiggle room that an ulterior motive also exists. But getting double bang for one's buck (recruiting payoff plus fun) is plain good decision making.
**(that Harbaugh thinks teaching football is good living, no matter who is being taught)
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Not exactly "recruiting", but Iowa is raiding the Mountain West for graduate transfers. They already got James Butler from Nevada at RB (while not a 'need' position per se, he'd complement Akrum Wadley nicely), and are about to nab Matt Quarrells from UNM at WR (easily one of UI's biggest need positions - the fact that he brings FBS experience with him is a huge plus).
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Not exactly "recruiting", but Iowa is raiding the Mountain West for graduate transfers. They already got James Butler from Nevada at RB (while not a 'need' position per se, he'd complement Akrum Wadley nicely), and are about to nab Matt Quarrells from UNM at WR (easily one of UI's biggest need positions - the fact that he brings FBS experience with him is a huge plus).
Why would a WR go play in Davie's system anyway?
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Why would a WR go play in Davie's system anyway?
The same reason why a RB would play in Leach's system I suppose.
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The same reason why a RB would play in Leach's system I suppose.
Leach put RBs into the NFL. At least Baron Batch comes to mind.
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Michigan won 10 football games last season by an average of 34.6 points per game, but it's the three losses that are still sticking with coach Jim Harbaugh and his players. Losing three of the last four games by an average of 1.6 points, Harbaugh is focused on improving his team and eliminating that sour taste from such close losses.
"I'm avoiding all fun stuff," Harbaugh said. "Concentrating on preparing ourselves for the season, avoiding all fun things. We lost three of four games last year, so two by one point and one by three points in overtime, so I didn't like that feeling and that's motivated us to pour more time into the football team and our jobs, and give more effort."
Michigan lost to Iowa 14-13, fell to Ohio State 30-27 in double overtime after quarterback J.T. Barrett dove forward to secure a fourth down by inches and lost to Florida State 33-32 in the Orange Bowl.
Those losses have stuck with Harbaugh, so fun has become secondary. That philosophy is a departure from what his tenure at Michigan has been so far, which has included climbing trees with recruits, riding go-karts with current defensive tackle Aubrey Solomon, taking a trip to Rome and throwing out the first pitch at baseball games, among other things.
Read more here:
http://www.espn.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/142603/why-michigans-jim-harbaugh-is-giving-up-all-fun-stuff
Berry interesting, to say the least. It's going to be scary for others if the coach actually puts all of his effort into, well, coaching.
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Purdue still grabbing what they can get. They are up to 21 commits. About 16 are 3 stars and the rest are 2's. Recruiting services are currently ranking their class in the 35 to 45 range, but that is probably based upon quantity more than quality. That ranking will probably also drop as other schools fill up their available slots with the remaining 4 and 5 star talent.
Still, it's nice to at least see Purdue taking the right steps towards getting back to at least a low level of respectability.
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Purdue still grabbing what they can get. They are up to 21 commits. About 16 are 3 stars and the rest are 2's. Recruiting services are currently ranking their class in the 35 to 45 range, but that is probably based upon quantity more than quality. That ranking will probably also drop as other schools fill up their available slots with the remaining 4 and 5 star talent.
Still, it's nice to at least see Purdue taking the right steps towards getting back to at least a low level of respectability.
Yeah, they are #10 in composite ranking in the conference, but #14 based on average stars. But when you are trying to flip a whole roster, I think it's smart to get as many bodies as you can in there (within reason) even if it means taking a few flyers.
MSU is the opposite right now. They are ranked #9 in the conference, but #5 by average stars, below only UM, OSU, Nebraska and PSU. They have 14 commits.
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3 star corner Marcus Hooker (brother of Malik) commits to the Bucks out of Pennsylvania
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4 star linebacker K'Vaughn Pope commits to the Bucks out of Virginia
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Nebraska added another commitment to its 2018 recruiting class Monday as St. Louis Christian Brothers wide receiver Cameron Brown announced he was going to be a Husker again.
You've got to tip your hat to head coach Mike Riley and wide receivers coach Keith Williams in the way they recruited Brown. After he decommitted they could have gone a different direction, but they stayed after him and beat out the likes of Ohio State, Missouri, Georgia and Alabama once again for the impressive wideout.
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PSU grabs two more consensus 4* this past week in OL Fred Scruggs from Erie Cathedral Prep and DT PJ Mustipher out of Owens Mills, MD.
PSU also trending highly for WR Jahan Dotson and DT Aeneas Hawkins, who is set to announce tomorrow.
PSU has 22 commits now, and let's for fun say both these guys commit. Then they supposedly would have open spots sitting in wait for Micah Parsons and Rasheed Walker. That puts them at 26, and supposedly they can EE a few guys to backdate them to 2017.
Recruiting is complicated.
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PSU grabs two more consensus 4* this past week in OL Fred Scruggs from Erie Cathedral Prep and DT PJ Mustipher out of Owens Mills, MD.
PSU also trending highly for WR Jahan Dotson and DT Aeneas Hawkins, who is set to announce tomorrow.
PSU has 22 commits now, and let's for fun say both these guys commit. Then they supposedly would have open spots sitting in wait for Micah Parsons and Rasheed Walker. That puts them at 26, and supposedly they can EE a few guys to backdate them to 2017.
Recruiting is complicated.
I'm a little worried about the sheer number of recruits in this class. I'm counting 14 scholarship seniors leaving + Barkley. Maybe a couple more that don't come back for their red shirt senior year. That means Penn State is taking 25 players, but only losing 17? This is SEC math...
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Former SEC coach... At least his wife is hot. :57:
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The degree to which Wisconsin feasted on MSU's misfortune in-state is impressive, especially because a few of those guys were Spartan plan-b/c's who, in a normal year, would have signed up after as little as East Lansing appearing on their caller ID. I'm very curious about the next cycle to see whether this was a one-off or a slow colonization. If it's the latter, it's likely that Wisconsin will soon be taking the intermittent kid that Michigan wants too
Not exactly a coincidence, nor is it a coincidence that no Detroit kids showed up to MSU's camp
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGd7lnwXYAEq9Zq.jpg)
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I'm a little worried about the sheer number of recruits in this class. I'm counting 14 scholarship seniors leaving + Barkley. Maybe a couple more that don't come back for their red shirt senior year. That means Penn State is taking 25 players, but only losing 17? This is SEC math...
Maybe more than 25 with Aeneas Hawkins announcing for the Nits today. Jahan Dotson or Solomon Enis would round out the WR's, no doubt at all that two spots are being held for Parsons and Rasheed Walker.
I don't recall PSU ever having to turn away quality players, at least not since I've ever paid a mind at all to recruiting.
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Maybe more than 25 with Aeneas Hawkins announcing for the Nits today. Jahan Dotson or Solomon Enis would round out the WR's, no doubt at all that two spots are being held for Parsons and Rasheed Walker.
I don't recall PSU ever having to turn away quality players, at least not since I've ever paid a mind at all to recruiting.
Did you see the commitment video? May be the best one I've ever seen. It's hilarious!
https://youtu.be/Z_9muLqHqYo
And I'm still wondering how these numbers are going to work. Perhaps there's a greyshirt or two in the mix?
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It's a meritocracy perhaps.
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Did you see the commitment video? May be the best one I've ever seen. It's hilarious!
https://youtu.be/Z_9muLqHqYo
And I'm still wondering how these numbers are going to work. Perhaps there's a greyshirt or two in the mix?
That's amazing
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That's amazing
I'm pretty speechless.....not sure if to laught or be afraid. But it was hella clever (ya, I said hella).
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NU offered a scholarship Friday night to 2018 athlete Dallas Craddieth, a three-star safety and wide receiver from suburban St. Louis who has offers to Iowa, Illinois, Missouri, Vanderbilt and Minnesota, among others.
The 6-foot-1, 195-pound player from Hazelwood (Mo.) Central told 247 Sports on Friday night that NU wants him to take an official visit to the school during the season.
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Running backs coach Reggie Davis released a little bit of news on Thursday when he tweeted about a visitor that he was excited about for Northern Illinois game.
That visitor is LSU commit Chris Curry of Lehigh Central. The running back picked up a Nebraska offer over the spring and started hearing more and more from the Huskers at that time.
Curry committed to LSU in June, choosing the Tigers over a number of programs at that time, including Florida, Michigan, Oregon and others.
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Recruiting violation.
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Michigan won 10 football games last season by an average of 34.6 points per game, but it's the three losses that are still sticking with coach Jim Harbaugh and his players. Losing three of the last four games by an average of 1.6 points, Harbaugh is focused on improving his team and eliminating that sour taste from such close losses.
"I'm avoiding all fun stuff," Harbaugh said. "Concentrating on preparing ourselves for the season, avoiding all fun things. We lost three of four games last year, so two by one point and one by three points in overtime, so I didn't like that feeling and that's motivated us to pour more time into the football team and our jobs, and give more effort."
Michigan lost to Iowa 14-13, fell to Ohio State 30-27 in double overtime after quarterback J.T. Barrett dove forward to secure a fourth down by inches and lost to Florida State 33-32 in the Orange Bowl.
Those losses have stuck with Harbaugh, so fun has become secondary. That philosophy is a departure from what his tenure at Michigan has been so far, which has included climbing trees with recruits, riding go-karts with current defensive tackle Aubrey Solomon, taking a trip to Rome and throwing out the first pitch at baseball games, among other things.
Read more here:
http://www.espn.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/142603/why-michigans-jim-harbaugh-is-giving-up-all-fun-stuff
Berry interesting, to say the least. It's going to be scary for others if the coach actually puts all of his effort into, well, coaching.
I think it's absolutely ludicrous to imply or say that he doesn't put all of his energy into coaching.
Let's focus on just the Iowa and OSU games. Both were road games. Both were lost by the absolute thinnest of margins. Michigan wins both those games if Speight doesn't get his shoulder cracked in half. Blame Harbaugh all you want for not having a viable back-up QB, that's fine- but he didn't exactly walk into a team with a lot of QB talent. Had to get Rudock and O'Korn to transfer in just to make the QB situation viable. And Iowa needed a last second FG to win by 1 point and Ohio State needed double OT, a really bad spot by the refs, and an absolutely amazing run by Curtis Samuel to win by 3.
The guy puts all of his energy into coaching. Sometimes the bounces go your way. Sometimes they don't. Michigan will be scary under Harbaugh when he has the roster fully built up in his image. Hoke left him with a bunch of dog-shit at QB, RB, and OL. Harbaugh already has the QB/RB ship pointing upwards- OL might take a little bit of time.
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Don't shot the messenger. Everyone would be better of if you shoot the guy who said this:
"I'm avoiding all fun stuff," Harbaugh said. "Concentrating on preparing ourselves for the season, avoiding all fun things. We lost three of four games last year, so two by one point and one by three points in overtime, so I didn't like that feeling and that's motivated us to pour more time into the football team and our jobs, and give more effort."
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Don't shot the messenger. Everyone would be better of if you shoot the guy who said this:
"I'm avoiding all fun stuff," Harbaugh said. "Concentrating on preparing ourselves for the season, avoiding all fun things. We lost three of four games last year, so two by one point and one by three points in overtime, so I didn't like that feeling and that's motivated us to pour more time into the football team and our jobs, and give more effort."
coach speak methinks.
during the season he is giving 100% to coach that team. suggesting anything less is just crazy talk. you can tell how well coached that team is just by the way they lose. aside from getting blown off the field by a loaded, veteran Ohio State team in 2015- his other 5 losses have been by the slimmest of margins. Compare that to Brady Hoke- who with the same cast of players- was losing to freaking Rutgers.
For Michigan the past two seasons- the biggest chink in the armor has been a lack of talent at QB, RB, and OL. Not because of some lack of coaching because he's spending his time holding camps and having fun. It's because his first "recruiting class" in 2015 was horrible and because the guy before him did an awful job at securing and developing talent at those positions. Harbaugh recruited Chris Evans and Karran Higdon- who both look solid going into 2017- and he also recruited Kareem Walker and O'Maury Samuels- and he's continued to develop Ty Isaac. One of those 5 will emerge as the featured back, he'll continue work his QB magic with Speight and that OL will grow leaps and bounds under the coaching and development of Tim Drevno and Greg Frey- might take a year or two, but they'll turn that OL ship around eventually.
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3/4* RB Ronnie Walker from VA picks Indiana over MSU and Virginia.
Big get for the Hoosiers.
Would think MSU is all in now on Detroit RB Elijah Collins, who holds Iowa and Wisconsin offers as well. But it was pretty clear they wanted to take two in this class, and Walker seemed like the best bet for the other one.
4* RB Harold Joiner from Alabama (who has offers from the whole SEC, including Bama) said LSU and MSU are his two leaders. But there's no way in hell I'm counting on a blue chipper from Alabama with Bama, Auburn, LSU, etc offers to come north.
Not even sure who else is on their radar. Johnny Adams from Indianapolis visited a couple times, but even after crushing it on the camp circuit, never got an offer, and I think Iowa State was his only P5 one. Wound up committing to Ball State. That feels like it must be a grades issue for nobody else, MSU included, to take a flyer on him.
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UW has its tailback for 2018, so no worries on Collins. Not sure what he's waiting for, unless he wants to be a Wolverine and is holding out hope.
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Iowa is also full at RB. I''ve read that Iowa offered him as LB, but I have no idea if that's true or not.
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have to be honest, Michigan's 2018 is suspect at this point in time from a "recruit rankings" point of view. I definitely "trust the coaches"- but it is not living up to those top 5ish 2016 and 2017 classes on paper.
2019 is off to a big start and looking like it will live up to those 2016/2017 classes as they are in on a lot of top prospects nationally, but the in-state recruiting seems a little bit odd right now. Michigan doesn't even seem to be recruiting the #1 player in the state, 5* OT Devontae Dobbs at this point in time and the #2 player, 4* ATH Julian Barnett seems like he wants nothing to do with Michigan and is all Notre Dame. They are HS teammates by the way. Just a little bit strange to me.
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Dobbs seems like he pretty clearly wants to go out of state.
I think MSU has a shot with Barnett, but, as you said, it seems like Notre Dame is the heavy favorite there.
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Dobbs seems like he pretty clearly wants to go out of state.
I think MSU has a shot with Barnett, but, as you said, it seems like Notre Dame is the heavy favorite there.
Well as long as Dobbs doesn't go to Ohio State and Barnett doesn't go to ND- I'm good. Lol.
MSU definitely has a shot with Barnett. They need to have a rebound season to land him though. As does Notre Dame. I think if both programs have similar seasons to 2016 he'll go somewhere else. ND and MSU both need big re-bound years. Back to back sub .500 seasons and recruiting definitely starts to really slip.
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Yeah, they need at least to be relevant.
It's crazy the talent coming out of Belleville all of the sudden
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Yeah, they need at least to be relevant.
It's crazy the talent coming out of Belleville all of the sudden
yeah, it's kind of nuts.
It's still very early and the recruit rankings will change dramatically, but Barnett is rated in the top 70 of the 247Composite and Dobbs in the top 10.
Barnett is either a WR or CB at the next level and Michigan doesn't have a huge need at either position, so he's not that big of a loss. But tackle- there is a huge need there and Dobbs is being billed as a top 10 player in the nation and the #1 OT. Harbaugh needs to do whatever it takes to land that kid. They need to land all the offensive tackles they can in 2018 and 2019. It's probably the biggest weakness on paper on the roster going forward.
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Not sure Dobbs projects as a tackle. His UW offer is for guard, just like Bredeson's was, for what it's worth.
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Not sure Dobbs projects as a tackle. His UW offer is for guard, just like Bredeson's was, for what it's worth.
I had my doubts about Dobbs as a tackle. Until he went to The Opening and impressed in the live drills and he measured in taller and longer than most thought he would at 6'5+ and 286 pounds. He's got 2+ more years to develop his skills at tackle and grow. I think he's a pretty safe bet to at least start out at tackle in college. He's a much different beast than Bredeson- far more athletic and much better feet. Dobbs ran the best 40 for OL's at the Nike Opening, he had the best vertical jump for OL's, and he was in the top 5 for the power throw. As a 2019. Most players there were 2018's. He's a plus athlete for the position with another full 2 years plus to grow and develop his skills at tackle.
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Time will tell, of course. He can still get taller and thicker too, and he will need to. If he is really 6-5, he's probably OK there. But I've seen him listed at 6-3 and 6-4.
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Time will tell, of course. He can still get taller and thicker too, and he will need to. If he is really 6-5, he's probably OK there. But I've seen him listed at 6-3 and 6-4.
he measured in at 6'5, 286 at The Opening. They measure every kid the same way- in the socks and shorts, much like the NFL combine. The testing #'s at The Opening are about as accurate as it gets for HS recruits. He might've been 6'3 or 6'4- when he was a HS freshman. Remember- the kid is a 2019. I don't even think he's 16 years old yet. It's still super early in the process. He hasn't even played a down of football in his junior year of high school yet.
His stock has only gone up since The Opening, where he was being measured/competing against mostly kids a year older than him.
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Gotcha.
It is amazing to me how big these kids are getting. The starting tackles at UW this year are 6-7 and 6-6 and weigh 315 and 328. It's nuts. I'm sure M isn't much different.
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Gotcha. It is amazing to me how big these kids are getting. The starting tackles at UW this year are 6-7 and 6-6 and weigh 315 and 328. It's nuts. I'm sure M isn't much different.
Heh, 6'7" and 308 got John Elliott the nickname "Jumbo" about 30 years ago
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He was not the norm back then. Now he's almost too light for a CFB tackle. I remember Jim Covert on the Bears was 6-3 or 6-4 and played at 270.
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Gotcha.
It is amazing to me how big these kids are getting. The starting tackles at UW this year are 6-7 and 6-6 and weigh 315 and 328. It's nuts. I'm sure M isn't much different.
Michigan's OL is probably going to be a little bit on the smaller side compared to that. I really think what matters more than pure size for tackle is length and quick feet. A 6'4 or 6'5 guy can play tackle as long as he's got long arms and quick feet.
All due respect to the future HOF'er Joe Thomas, but Tyron Smith is the best tackle in football and he's "only" 6'5 but he's got a massively long arms, six-pack abs, and probably the best feet of any tackle in the NFL. A 6'5, 310 pound guy should not look like that. The best tackles are the ones with that kind of body type- long arms, lean body, and quick feet.
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He was not the norm back then. Now he's almost too light for a CFB tackle. I remember Jim Covert on the Bears was 6-3 or 6-4 and played at 270.
Right, makes me wonder where we are going.
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Speaking of Belleville, sounds like Dwan Mathis will be visiting MSU this weekend. Would be nice to lock him in as our 2019 QB early. Granted he already committed and decommitted from Iowa State, and Ohio State is flirting heavily, so if he is going to commit I'd rather wait until OSU offers so we don't have to wonder if that changes things.
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Right, makes me wonder where we are going.
well there was a 6'9, 390 pound tackle prospect from that IMG Academy in Florida that Michigan was kind of recruiting. Think he was a transfer there from American Samoa or Australia or something like that. And oh yeah he's never played football. Lol. But somehow he got noticed by IMG and he's in Florida getting coached up at the most advanced private high school football factory in the USA to play offensive tackle.
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Well as long as Dobbs doesn't go to Ohio State and Barnett doesn't go to ND- I'm good. Lol.
MSU definitely has a shot with Barnett. They need to have a rebound season to land him though. As does Notre Dame. I think if both programs have similar seasons to 2016 he'll go somewhere else. ND and MSU both need big re-bound years. Back to back sub .500 seasons and recruiting definitely starts to really slip.
FWIW, and probably not much, Barnett said in an interview this week that MSU is his #1.
At least that confirms that MSU is very much in that one.
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Juco DT Antjuan Jackson commits to the Bucks
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Michigan lands it's second QB commit for the 2018 class as 3* QB Kevin Doyle (6-4, 210 lbs) out of Washington D.C. just announced his commitment.
Have no idea if he can play, but Michigan absolutely needed a 2nd QB in the 2018 class. O'Korn is gone after this year, Zach Gentry made what looks like could be a very successful move to TE, and I doubt that Alex Malzone is going to be on the team for much longer if he ever wants a shot at playing.
4* QB Joe Milton out of Florida was a good pick-up, but he's a bit on the raw side and might take time to develop. Always needed another guy in this class at QB imo. Looks like Harbaugh got his guy.
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Haven't heard that name in a while. MSU was pretty involved early, then dropped off when they got their guy. I was on the fence about him being THE guy in a class, but if you are taking two, he's a really, really good #2.
EDIT: Yeah found an old article. He was MSUs first 2018 offer, and visited last year for the UW game, naming MSU as his leader. Pitt and WVU were his other major offers at the time. MSU became higher on Day after that though and I can't find any further contact.
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Haven't heard that name in a while. MSU was pretty involved early, then dropped off when they got their guy. I was on the fence about him being THE guy in a class, but if you are taking two, he's a really, really good #2.
EDIT: Yeah found an old article. He was MSUs first 2018 offer, and visited last year for the UW game, naming MSU as his leader. Pitt and WVU were his other major offers at the time. MSU became higher on Day after that though and I can't find any further contact.
yeah, I think he's a really good #2 QB. It's HARD to land two QB's in a class these days. Seems like every QB wants to be "THE GUY" in his class these days. Some even want to be THE guy in their class and the class before theirs.
Between Peters, McCaffrey, Milton, and Doyle they should be able to build some pretty nice depth at the position.
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He'll, even when you land solid QBs in back to back classes you assume either one has to not pan out, or one will wind up transferring.
Even Bama isn't immune to that problem, it's universal.
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Would think MSU is all in now on Detroit RB Elijah Collins, who holds Iowa and Wisconsin offers as well. But it was pretty clear they wanted to take two in this class, and Walker seemed like the best bet for the other one.
He's announcing Friday, and it's assumed to be MSU. Doesn't seem like either side is particularly enamored with each other. MSU missed on their top targets, and Collins seemingly no longer has commitable offers from Wisconsin or Iowa, so it's MSU, Pitt or Purdue I think?
Seems more like a business agreement than a commitment.
MSU seems to be in really good position now with 4* OT James Ohonba from GA. Has a 4.2 GPA and said after his visit that it's MSU or Duke for him, but has offers from Bama, OSU, UM, Clemson, etc...
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He's announcing Friday, and it's assumed to be MSU. Doesn't seem like either side is particularly enamored with each other. MSU missed on their top targets, and Collins seemingly no longer has commitable offers from Wisconsin or Iowa, so it's MSU, Pitt or Purdue I think?
Seems more like a business agreement than a commitment.
MSU seems to be in really good position now with 4* OT James Ohonba from GA. Has a 4.2 GPA and said after his visit that it's MSU or Duke for him, but has offers from Bama, OSU, UM, Clemson, etc...
Hmm. I typically don't follow much football recruiting until I see players commit, but what are the odds that he flips to Purdue with the apparent resurgence of the program under Brohm? I don't really know him nor did I know we were recruiting him, but if he's not exactly enamored with MSU, that seems to open a door.
Granted, Purdue's deepest position is RB, so that's a factor against us.
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Hmm. I typically don't follow much football recruiting until I see players commit, but what are the odds that he flips to Purdue with the apparent resurgence of the program under Brohm? I don't really know him nor did I know we were recruiting him, but if he's not exactly enamored with MSU, that seems to open a door.
Granted, Purdue's deepest position is RB, so that's a factor against us.
Assuming Iowa and Wisconsin really are out. 247 lists Pitt, Purdue and Mississippi State as his other schools with high interest. No clue what that means.
MSU had their 2016 RB commit flip last minute to Oklahoma, and then their 2017 commit tore his ACL. Holmes graduates and Scott probably goes pro, so PT will be there a plenty in East Lansing. It's looking like Madre London, a RS freshman coming off a torn ACL, and a rising sophomore who the staff liked better at safety, but is at RB out of desperation is it back there in 2018.
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He's announcing Friday, and it's assumed to be MSU. Doesn't seem like either side is particularly enamored with each other. MSU missed on their top targets, and Collins seemingly no longer has commitable offers from Wisconsin or Iowa, so it's MSU, Pitt or Purdue I think?
Seems more like a business agreement than a commitment.
MSU seems to be in really good position now with 4* OT James Ohonba from GA. Has a 4.2 GPA and said after his visit that it's MSU or Duke for him, but has offers from Bama, OSU, UM, Clemson, etc...
Collins commits to MSU, sounds like Ohonba may be imminent
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MSU recruiting well right now.
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Yup, got Ohonba too. 4* OT with offers from Bama, Clemson, UM, OSU, Oklahoma, etc..., but with a 4.2 GPA and had Duke in his final 2?
Yes please.
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We lost the game last week, but it's really shaping up to have been a great recruiting weekend.
Just happy to have on and off field momentum so far this year.
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MSU gets 3* C Jacob Isaia from Bishop Gorman
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I don't know if PC and Co. ever had a real shot with this kid, but admissions made it impossible.
"Jack did not go to Wisconsin last weekend," Carman's head coach Jason Krause told Scout.com. "He found out he couldn't enroll at mid year at Wisconsin, so he didn't make that trip."
"He really wants to enroll at mid-year, so Wisconsin is eliminated," he added. "He's working on making a decision on a fifth school, but nothing has been decided yet."
Carman, a U.S. Army All-American, still has official visits upcoming with Clemson, Florida State, Ohio State and USC.
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Looks like Ekiyor is going to flip from UM to Alabama.
Suddenly UM has interest in in state Kentucky commit Marquan McCall, and he's visiting this weekend.
Not a bad plan B, but the red flags related to grades were supposedly so bad his admissions to frickin Kentucky we're in doubt.
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I forgot to mention that UW got a commit from Donte Burton, a cornerback from Georgia, on Sunday, replacing the kid who decided he would no longer pursue football in college.
He had a nice offer list.
He had offers from Colorado, Indiana, Louisville, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Oregon, Virginia Tech, West Virginia and more. Up until his visit he was "crystal balled" to Notre Dame. I wonder if that could still happen.
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#1 QB and #1 overall recruit in the nation in the 2018 class Justin Fields commits to the Georgia Bulldogs. Fields was a one time Penn State commit. Decided to stay close to home.
Wow. Talk about a stacked QB roster. Jacob Eason in 2016, Jake Fromm in 2017, and Fields in 2018? Have to think Eason transfers if Fromm continues to play this well. Been really impressed with Fromm considering he's just a true Frosh.
Would LOVE it if Harbaugh gave Eason a call if Eason does decide to transfer. That's the proto-type QB for a Harbaugh offense. Eason is 6'4-6'5 ish with a cannon arm. He can throw the shit out of the football. Ball explodes out of his hand. Josh Rosen was #1 on my wishlist in the 2015 class and Eason was #1 on my wishlist in the 2016 class. There really wasn't a passer on that level in the 2017 class but 2018 has one in Trevor Lawrence but that kid is going to Clemson. Don't get me wrong- I like Peters and McCaffrey but would really like it if Harbaugh could land a kid with an elite arm. Not a Shane Morris type that's all power and no accuracy- but a kid that can really sling it with velocity but also sling it accurately.
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Nebraska has received a commitment from Minnesota linebacker David Alston.
Alston announced the commitment via Twitter.
The 6-foot-4.5, 225-pound Alston officially visited Nebraska in September, and will play the outside linebacker spot that is so key in Nebraska's 3-4 defense.
“I think it caters to what I can do,” Alston said after his visit to Nebraska. “I can play in space and cover, but if I need to I can put my hand down and help. The position I would have at Nebraska has a lot of opportunity to play. There’s flexibility to play in space and then come off the edge."
Alston is a three-star defender with an overall rating of 83 according to 247Sports. Alston chose the Huskers over offers from Iowa State, Utah, Wisconsin and others.
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sounds like 2018 Michigan commit 4* OG Emil Ekiyor (6-2, 320) of Indiana is a serious threat to flip to Alabama. Ekiyor is the highest rated player in Michigan's somewhat lackluster 2018 class, rated as the #106 player overall in the 247Composite. Would be a blow for sure, but he's destined for the interior and they have a lot of young promising guys there. What they truly need are offensive tackles.
And I think the two they got in this 2018 class are pretty solid. Not rated very highly, but to hell with OL ratings. Ryan Hayes and Jalen Mayfield have exactly the type of build and athleticism you look for in a future tackle. Hayes is 6'7, 260 and plays TE and Mayfield is 6'5 and 270 and also plays DE. Those are the type of HS bodies that Frey used to recruit under Rodriguez. Lewan wound up being a top 10 NFL draft pick and Mike Schofield wound up being All-Conference and a 3rd round NFL draft pick. Not saying those guys will be that at all- just saying those guys were pretty similar in terms of their traits as HS OL recruits. Frey seems to like the long, leaner types that play TE and DE as well as OL and build them up rather than the 6-6, 330 pound HS OL that only played tackle in HS like Chuck Filiaga- who Michigan got in 2017.
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Looks like Ekiyor is going to flip from UM to Alabama.
Suddenly UM has interest in in state Kentucky commit Marquan McCall, and he's visiting this weekend.
Not a bad plan B, but the red flags related to grades were supposedly so bad his admissions to frickin Kentucky we're in doubt.
guard/center isn't as big a need as tackle. If they are looking at McCall again it might have something to do with him picking up those grades. I don't think they need interior guys that bad right now that they'd take fliers on guys they know can't get in. They aren't dying for interior OL at this point in time. I think what they are really dying for are tackles. Mason Cole is in his last year and he's a 6'4 future guard at the next level playing LT- that's if he even makes the next level bc I'm not sure he'll even get drafted. And Nolan Ulizio is just straight up awful and unathletic and he's the starting RT. The tackle position is in shambles in 2018 if Grant Newsome can't bounce-back healthy.
I actually like McCall better than Ekiyor. I'd love them both don't get me wrong, but McCall has better height/length. Ekiyor is kinda short. He measured just under 6'2 at the Opening. McCall is 6'3+. McCall is a better prospect IMO. He was just chuck full of red flags.
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sounds like 2018 Michigan commit 4* OG Emil Ekiyor (6-2, 320) of Indiana is a serious threat to flip to Alabama. Ekiyor is the highest rated player in Michigan's somewhat lackluster 2018 class, rated as the #106 player overall in the 247Composite. Would be a blow for sure, but he's destined for the interior and they have a lot of young promising guys there. What they truly need are offensive tackles.
And I think the two they got in this 2018 class are pretty solid. Not rated very highly, but to hell with OL ratings. Ryan Hayes and Jalen Mayfield have exactly the type of build and athleticism you look for in a future tackle. Hayes is 6'7, 260 and plays TE and Mayfield is 6'5 and 270 and also plays DE. Those are the type of HS bodies that Frey used to recruit under Rodriguez. Lewan wound up being a top 10 NFL draft pick and Mike Schofield wound up being All-Conference and a 3rd round NFL draft pick. Not saying those guys will be that at all- just saying those guys were pretty similar in terms of their traits as HS OL recruits. Frey seems to like the long, leaner types that play TE and DE as well as OL and build them up rather than the 6-6, 330 pound HS OL that only played tackle in HS like Chuck Filiaga- who Michigan got in 2017.
Truest thing you've ever posted here. I agree 100 percent. I'll take the 3* kid who is 6-6 and 265 any time over a 6-2 plugger.
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Truest thing you've ever posted here. I agree 100 percent. I'll take the 3* kid who is 6-6 and 265 any time over a 6-2 plugger.
OL rankings are a complete crap shoot. I remember Alex Mitchell being ranked close to 5*'s because he was 6'5, 320 pounds and a complete dominator in high school. He turned out to be not so good. Ditto 5* OL Kyle Kalis.
Best OL that I've seen at Michigan was Jake Long, who was the last 4* rated OT in his class at the #22 rated OT. #23 rated OT was a 3*. Long was listed at 6'7, 280. Next best guy was Taylor Lewan- who played DE until his final year in high school and was barely rated a 4*. Lewan was listed at 6'8, 270 as a recruit. Both were college All-Americans, both were high draft picks- Long was #1 overall I believe and Lewan #10 in his draft. What did they have in common? That body type.
The highest rated OL recruits are usually just the biggest and they dominate in high school and camps because they are just flat out bigger and stronger. Sometimes it translates when they get to the next level, a lot of times it doesn't though.
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You want crazy? The UW line from left to right is 6-6 328, 6-6 336, 6-3 316, 6-6 317 and 6-7 315.
That is sick size. The RT was a QB in HS...
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You want crazy? The UW line from left to right is 6-6 328, 6-6 336, 6-3 316, 6-6 317 and 6-7 315.
That is sick size. The RT was a QB in HS...
That is absolutely nutty. Jesus. That's a BAMA sized OL right there.
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I know you'll be on the MSU game tomorrow night but if you get a chance take a peek on BTN at these guys.
They ain't "fat" kids.
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Michigan lands 4* TE Mustapha Muahammad (6'4, 235 lbs) out of Texas. He is the #109 rated player overall and the #5 TE in the 247Composite.
Michigan loses 4* OL commit Emil Ekiyor (6'2, 320 lbs.) out of Indiana. He is the #105 rated player overall and the #2 Center prospect in the 247Composite. In a move that shocks no one, Ekiyor flips to Alabama. It was a long time in the making. Good luck to the kid. Want kids that want to be at Michigan, so good luck and no sour grapes, and I'd rather he do this now than drag it out all the way til the end and flip on NSD and leave two programs in the wind waiting on him.
Sucks to lose OL recruits, but he's not a tackle so it's a little bit hard to start freaking out. Even if he winds up being a stud- which I'm guessing he will bc let's face it- Bama ain't coming after him unless he good- but Michigan has enough inside guys. They need tackles to emerge. And fast.
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After a month of wondering, Brendan Radley-Hiles made it official by decommitting from the Huskers on Tuesday night.
He released a statement on his decision on Twitter:
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Weird one, as MSU was early on the favorite for 4* CB Kalon Gervin, then he committed early out of the blue to ND. Decommitted, but seemed enamored with VT. Then MSU started picking up momentum, and his OV to MSU was lined up with the day he said he was going to announce.
Now it sounds like MSU stopped recruiting him, and said their DB class is full. :smiley_confused1:
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3* ATH La'Darius Jefferson from Muskegon, MI, who had been a UCF verbal, reopened his recruitment after getting an MSU offer.
Seems like he wanted to play QB, and thus UCF and Navy were his best offers, but he has since come around on coming in as an athlete, with a chance to play QB, but probably not.
Sounds like only a matter of time before he commits to MSU.
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"We just had regular conversations," said Cruickshank. "We just caught up, talking about what to expect when I get down there.
"They know I can ball. As long as I bring what I have to the table and a winning attitude, I should be fine."
Cruickshank said Georgia and Michigan both came after him during the season. However, the nation's No. 45 ranked athlete will sign with Wisconsin in December and enroll early.
"I'm standing by my commitment," he said. "I'm 100 percent committed. I'm done."
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Aron-Cruickshank-100025/RecruitInterests
This last weekend's visit went very well.
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Michigan 2018 4* QB commit Joe Milton (6'5, 225 pounds) of Florida releases his senior "highlight" tape. LINK (https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Bolt/Joe-Milton-Michigan-Wolverines-senior-highlights-110479837). He's from the same Florida HS as starting but injured FSU QB Deondre Francois.
Huge kid, huge arm. Some of those throws he makes on that tape just make you go whoa. Impressive specimen physically. Even bigger body wise and maybe even has more arm strength than Shane Morris- and he's got about 2 inches and 35 pounds on Morris at the same stage.
Hopefully he develops, unlike Morris who was a bust. Morris had way more hype and expectation, whereas this kid is walking into a nice situation with no pressure. And a much better QB coach. Peters and McCaffrey are going to be ahead of him so he's an obvious redshirt and they are also bringing in another QB in 2018 in 3* Kevin Doyle. That is how you're suppose to recruit QB's. Never put all of your eggs into one basket- just keep recruiting talent and redshirt them. Biggest mistake Hoke made when he went after Morris- didn't recruit a QB in the class before or in the same class to give him a push and provide competition and also provide depth and he didn't redshirt him.
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3* DE Taylor Upshaw (6'5, 240) of Brandenton, FL flips his commitment from the Florida Gators to Michigan. Football runs in his genes, as Upshaw's father is Reagan Upshaw, who was a star defensive linemen in the 1990's for Cal and was drafted with in the 1st round of the 1996 NFL Draft with the 12th overall pick by the Tampa Bay Bucs and went on to play 9 seasons in the NFL.
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Weird one, as MSU was early on the favorite for 4* CB Kalon Gervin, then he committed early out of the blue to ND. Decommitted, but seemed enamored with VT. Then MSU started picking up momentum, and his OV to MSU was lined up with the day he said he was going to announce.
Now it sounds like MSU stopped recruiting him, and said their DB class is full. :smiley_confused1:
Either this report is false, or nobody told him.
He's announcing this week, says it's either MSU or Oregon.
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3* ATH La'Darius Jefferson from Muskegon, MI, who had been a UCF verbal, reopened his recruitment after getting an MSU offer.
Seems like he wanted to play QB, and thus UCF and Navy were his best offers, but he has since come around on coming in as an athlete, with a chance to play QB, but probably not.
Sounds like only a matter of time before he commits to MSU.
Sounds like he really wants to play QB, and now Indiana is his first P5 QB offer.
I guess credit to MSU for not lying to the kid, but seems like that's not the way the game is played anymore. Tell em what you want to get him signed, then play him where he fits. He's not a terrible QB. If MSU was in a year where they were taking 2 QBs, I wouldn't mind him being the 2nd one, but they've taken a QB in every class for the past three, and have verbals from their 2018 and 2019 QBs, so there's really not room or need to take 2 in this class, particularly with it being smaller, and resulting in having 6 scholarship QBs on roster.
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flood of CRYSTAL BALLZ coming in for Michigan for 4* DT Tyler Friday (6'3, 265 lbs) of New Jersey - #64 player overall and #3 DT in the 247Composite and for 3* TE Tommy Tremble (6'4, 225 lbs) of Georgia - #501 player overall and #22 TE in the 247Composite.
Both just visited Michigan for THE GAME, Friday has been considered a long time Michigan lean and Tremble had been considered a Notre Dame lean. DL is absolutely a need- always is every class IMO. TE? Already have one of the top ones committed in Mustapha Muhammad (top 100 player in 247Composite and #5 TE) and have a crap ton of young Frosh/Soph. TE's already playing/producing on the roster. Harbaugh sure loves TE's. Almost getting to the point where he is over-recruiting the position IMO.
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Nittany Lions commit Isheem Young charged with robbing convenience store
I can't imagine PSU's takes him after this. Maybe State Penn but not Penn State.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21642626/penn-state-nittany-lions-commit-isheem-young-charged-robbing-convenience-store
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Nittany Lions commit Isheem Young charged with robbing convenience store
I can't imagine PSU's takes him after this. Maybe State Penn but not Penn State.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21642626/penn-state-nittany-lions-commit-isheem-young-charged-robbing-convenience-store
I can't imagine he'd be in a situation where any school could take him if they wanted.
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I can't imagine he'd be in a situation where any school could take him if they wanted.
Lane would take him at FAU. Lots of mug shots on that roster right now.
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4* CB Kalon Gervin, composite #2 player in MI commits to MSU
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4* CB Kalon Gervin, composite #2 player in MI commits to MSU
yeah, just saw that. Really nice pick-up for MSU and he's from Cass Tech. #194 player in the composite and #20 CB.
Michigan offered early, but he committed to Notre Dame super early in like March I think, then Michigan got 3 CB commits pretty shortly after in April and another who can play S or CB a few months after that.
He de-committed from Notre Dame a few months ago and after that I was hoping Michigan would get back in there, but it never materialized.
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He was all green early, and surprised a lot of people with that ND commitment. Then after he initially decommitted seemed to be looking more at VT, Oregon and Oklahoma than MSU. Eventually circled back around I guess. There were long stretches of silence
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VT, Oregon, Oklahoma never made sense to me.
I really thought he was going to MSU the minute he de-committed from ND to be honest.
Detroit has been on a run of producing high quality DB's. These guys aren't 5'7" like Boubacar Cissoko or 160 pounds like Dior Mathis and Terry Richardson either. Been a really nice run of DB's from the city that are legit 5'10+, 175+ with speed.
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Quarterback recruit Adrian Martinez, a 4-star prospect on the 247Sports composite, received an offer from Nebraska on Saturday.
The 247Sports Composite ranks the California native as the No. 7 dual-threat quarterback and No. 17 California prospect in the Class of 2018. He’s still verbally committed to Tennessee, but the Vols’ coaching situation is increasingly unclear.
According to the Omaha World-Herald’s Sam McKewon, the offer came from quarterbacks coach Mario Verduzco, who is following Frost from UCF to Nebraska.
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VT, Oregon, Oklahoma never made sense to me.
I really thought he was going to MSU the minute he de-committed from ND to be honest.
Detroit has been on a run of producing high quality DB's. These guys aren't 5'7" like Boubacar Cissoko or 160 pounds like Dior Mathis and Terry Richardson either. Been a really nice run of DB's from the city that are legit 5'10+, 175+ with speed.
Rumor is he came very close to choosing VT a little bit back, and may have even been a silent there.
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What a shame about Young. Just can't even believe what compelled this kid to do this.
PSU stands at 21 commits now and a big official visit weekend this weekend. Final 5 targets for the final 4 spots are: Parsons, Oweh, T. Smith, Enis and Walker.
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UW commits are getting more offers..
UNL offered DT Bryson Williams on Saturday.
PU offered RB Nakia Watson yesterday.
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New Husker Staff Extends Nearly 20 New Offers in First Two Days
The coaches seem to have a very detailed plan of exactly who they want to target, extend scholarship offers to and visit in-home. The positions that they are going after also suggests that they have a good understanding of the current roster's limitations.
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UW commits are getting more offers..
UNL offered DT Bryson Williams on Saturday.
seems Frost wants to find out where he stands this week......
offers to kids committed to North Carolina St., FSU, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Texas, Louisville, Arkansas, and Baylor
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4* CB Braden Lenzy decommits from Oregon after Taggert left. Early on he was a favorite to commit MSU, then backed away after 3-9.
I doubt MSU has any room to pursue him again now. Honestly it was probably a reach to take a third CB last week in Gervin. But that was a case where you kind of had to.
18 months ago it seemed like probably a two man CB class with Gervin and Lenzy.
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seems Frost wants to find out where he stands this week......
offers to kids committed to North Carolina St., FSU, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Texas, Louisville, Arkansas, and Baylor
And I have to think Parsons was an immediate phone call too.
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4* CB Braden Lenzy decommits from Oregon after Taggert left. Early on he was a favorite to commit MSU, then backed away after 3-9.
I doubt MSU has any room to pursue him again now. Honestly it was probably a reach to take a third CB last week in Gervin. But that was a case where you kind of had to.
18 months ago it seemed like probably a two man CB class with Gervin and Lenzy.
ya MSU had to take Gervin. High quality player, solid 4* Top 250 type with major upside, from Detroit, from Cass Tech. Gotta keep the pipeline into the city flowing.
Lenzy is the third 4* commit that Oregon has last in the last day because of the Willie Taggart to FSU move. They also lost 4* CB Isaiah Bolden and 4* ATH Tre'Shaun Harrison.
Michigan was in on a lot of Oregon commits/leans too and finished either 2nd or 3rd before they committed to Oregon. Might be able to get back in there and snatch one or two. I know Tre'Shaun Harrison was a guy that Michigan loved and he nearly committed to Michigan after his visit. Took his time though and the visit wore off and he wound up staying closer to home and committing to Oregon. Might be time to jump back into that race.
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And I have to think Parsons was an immediate phone call too.
I've heard nothing concrete, don't know any details- but there is A LOT of smoke about that kid and off-field stuff. I've heard that both Ohio State and Michigan have virtually stopped recruiting him.
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I've heard nothing concrete, don't know any details- but there is A LOT of smoke about that kid and off-field stuff. I've heard that both Ohio State and Michigan have virtually stopped recruiting him.
Yessir, there's a ton being said about that. Supposedly LJ Sr still wanted to go after him and Urban flat out told him no.
Frankly, I hope he goes to OU and I mean that. PSU would do great to close the class with Tyreke Smith, Jayson Oweh, Rasheed Walker and Solomon Enis. Parson's is a head case.
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Not inconsequential to all of this is that Moorehead did come out and say he nor Huff will actively pursue current PSU recruits. Huff's a pretty legit recruiter so that's a big deal.
PSU's big official weekend is this coming weekend (only a few current commits aren't coming who have already officialled earlier in the season like Isaiah Humphries). Parsons, Smith and Walker are all confirmed as uncommitted officials.
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21681926/cornerback-tyreke-johnson-commits-ohio-state-buckeyes
Good pick up, makes up for not likely getting Cook out of Texas.
OSU likely to lose a few of their big hits, like Cox and Jones. Ha, while OSU was busy battling the Badgers, Bama was busy recruiting their players. Love the system.
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Iowa out-recruits 'Bama
Daviyon Nixon keeps his commit to Iowa after 'Bama offered out-of-the-blue.
This is a really enthusiastic personable guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMhAqXs2IgI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMhAqXs2IgI)
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sounds like Dan Mullen and Jimbo Fisher have been kicking the tires on Justin Fields, 5* and #1 QB in the composite rankings. Fields is from Georgia and was originally committed to Penn State, but he de-committed then flipped to his home town school Georgia. I don't think anything comes of the A&M stuff, he didn't pick FSU when Jimbo was there, don't see him having any real interest in A&M.
The Florida smoke...could be interesting. I believe I've read before that Fields grew up a Florida fan. Fields fits Mullen's offense like a glove. Florida needs a QB desperately. Georgia has one who will be starting there for at least the next 2 years, maybe even 3 as Fromm really isn't a big-time NFL prospect like Stafford was where you knew he'd be 3 and out.
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247 and Rivals both update their site rankings and the 247composite changes. 247Composite is an aggregate ranking system that took into account ESPN, Rivals, 247, and Scout rankings. CBS Sports bought 247, then CBS Sports bought Scout and merged 247 and Scout. No more Scout. All the people who used to do the rankings and work for Scout now work for 247, and they collaborate on the 247 rankings, so no more Scout rankings. Composite is now composed of just 3 sources now, 247, Rivals, and ESPN rankings.
There's a new #1 in the 247 composite, was Georgia QB commit Justin Fields, he drops to #2, #1 is now Clemson QB commit Trevor Lawrence, also from the state of Georgia. Kind of odd to me that Fields is committed to Georgia and Lawrence is committed to Clemson, as they complete opposite fits. Lawrence is a 6'6, 210 pound pro-style QB who fits what Georgia wants to run on offense, meanwhile Fields is a 6'3, 220 pound dual-threat who is tailor made for Clemson's system.
https://247sports.com/Article/247Sports-college-football-recruiting-New-No-1-player-in-latest-update-of-Top247-for-2018-111843358 (https://247sports.com/Article/247Sports-college-football-recruiting-New-No-1-player-in-latest-update-of-Top247-for-2018-111843358)
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2018 4* "LB/Viper" Michigan commit Otis Reese (6-4, 210 lbs.) of Georgia named player of the year by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Prestigous award the AJC gives out to the top HS player in the state every year.
Georgia has and will continue going all out to flip him. Been committed like a year, maybe longer, and he hasn't decommitted. Yet. Not expecting to keep him but crossing my fingers. Michigan is going to have to sweat it out all the way til NSD. Kirby wants him. Bad.
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Better his the Drive Thru a few times before enrolling.
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247Composite 5* DE Brenton Cox (6-4, 257 lbs.) of Georgia de-commits from Ohio State. Sounds like it'll be Georgia. Kirby could become a problem for everyone else trying to recruit Georgia. Georgia was continually being raided under Richt. Kirby has tried to seal up those borders this class.
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Big loss. May be Bama. while the other top teams were playing Championship games this weekend, Saban' staff was out recruiting several OSU commits and Cox was sitting next to Saban when the top four were announced.
What an advantage, lose your last game decisively, don't play and get rested, move from out of the top 4 and into the top 4 after your loss and while your resting, recruit against your competition, and then get double rewards by not only getting into top 4, but getting the best cede as far as travel. Only 293 miles to your first game, and quickly home to prepare for final game if you win- a major issue for any of the other teams due to a 6 day turnaround between semi game and Championship game.
Sometimes your the pigeon and sometimes your the windshield.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQaNcNiUEAAlQB_.jpg:large)
Bryson Williams with DL coach Inoke Breckterfield last night on an in-home in Lincoln. He will officially visit Madison this weekend, and then coach Chryst will be in Lincoln next week to hopefully close the deal.
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the recruit does a better "W" than the coach
the Coach is no Scott Frost
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4* OT Antwan Reed from Muskegon, MI decommits from PSU
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4* OT Antwan Reed from Muskegon, MI decommits from PSU
saw that. has MSU been on him? All his CRYSTAL BALLZ went from PSU to Cloudy. Will be interesting to see if Michigan gets in on him. They need tackles in the worst way. I really like Ryan Hayes' and Jalen Mayfield's upside, but they both need redshirts and to put on a little bit of size. Reed is more physically ready to step in and play right away if need be.
I wonder if distance was a factor here in his de-commitment from Penn State. Reed went to that IMG Academy super-school in Florida for a year and transferred back home because he was home sick.
EDIT: sounds like it might be grades issue. doubt Michigan or MSU get in on that one if it's the case. Kentucky?
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I've heard grades are the issue with the RB who decommited from ND, which is why nobody is really jumping back in. Haven't heard anything positive or negative regarding Reed.
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I've heard grades are the issue with the RB who decommited from ND, which is why nobody is really jumping back in. Haven't heard anything positive or negative regarding Reed.
Yep. Sounds like he's looking at Purdue right now, but he's set to visit Louisville and Cincy. UW kicked the tires this week but backed off.
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Yep. Sounds like he's looking at Purdue right now, but he's set to visit Louisville and Cincy. UW kicked the tires this week but backed off.
Those make sense. Purdue, in rebuild mode, might be willing to take the risk to get a talent like that on the team, even if ultimately they don't admit him. Then Louisville and Cincy won't put up any sort of admissions issue.
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I've heard grades are the issue with the RB who decommited from ND, which is why nobody is really jumping back in. Haven't heard anything positive or negative regarding Reed.
From what I understand academics is Reeds issue as well.
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It almost always is that when you see de-commitments this late - especially from helmets.
Of course, you always have flips, but when you see a 4* de-commit and then start looking at the Louisville's and Cincy's, it's pretty obvious.
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Ohio State lands a commitment from 3* QB Matthew Baldwin (6'2, 195 lbs.) of Texas.
Might be a replacement/insurance policy as rumors are swirling that long-time Ohio State QB commit 4* Emory Jones (6'3, 195 lbs.) of Georgia is on the verge of flipping to Alabama. Jones is rated as the #40 player overall in the nation, the #2 Dual-Threat QB, and the #7 player in the state of Georgia in the 247Composite.
Why someone would want to play QB for Nick Saban over Urban Meyer, beyond me. Urban has a long history of developing QB's and getting huge #'s out of them and turning them into draft picks. Nick Saban? Eh. Not so much.
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perhaps he heard that J.T. Barrett wasn't appreciated by the fan base
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perhaps he heard that J.T. Barrett wasn't appreciated by the fan base
I honestly believe kids look at that kind of stuff, but that is probably not the case here.
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I honestly believe kids look at that kind of stuff, but that is probably not the case here.
yeah, Jones has been flirting with Alabama/St. Nick for awhile. Sounds like Jones wants to stay closer to home and sees the depth chart at Alabama as more favorable, and is upset Ohio State has been out recruiting other QB's. My take is, why you mad Urban is going after other QB's when you are talking to other schools? Kids these days.
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Sounds like he really wants to play QB, and now Indiana is his first P5 QB offer.
I guess credit to MSU for not lying to the kid, but seems like that's not the way the game is played anymore. Tell em what you want to get him signed, then play him where he fits. He's not a terrible QB. If MSU was in a year where they were taking 2 QBs, I wouldn't mind him being the 2nd one, but they've taken a QB in every class for the past three, and have verbals from their 2018 and 2019 QBs, so there's really not room or need to take 2 in this class, particularly with it being smaller, and resulting in having 6 scholarship QBs on roster.
Wow, committed to MSU. Love this kid's film, just not at QB. Told everyone he would only play QB, and finally got an offer from Indiana and GT to do so. He could be pretty good playing for Paul Johnson. MSU told him he'd get cracks at both RB and LB
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I think we discussed him on the old board, the 6'9" 400 pound IMG recruit who had never actually played football.
Well, we will be seeing plenty of him, committed to sink...I mean row the boat.
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That guy up there really likes him some gimmicks.
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he sells tickets
the AD likes that
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Their attendance was down this year, until the last game of the season. Their lowest announced attendance was for UNL, which is surprising to me.
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UNL fans didn't make the drive
don't blame them
I really like that trip and I wasn't up for it
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seems Scott Frost will be bringing in some Jucos
I like the idea
this part of an article referring to recruiting jucos
Of the top 30 juco prospects in each of the past five completed recruiting cycles (per 247Sports’ rankings), 144 of 150 signed to a four-year school. Nearly half (71) have gone to the SEC, while just 13 have gone to the Big Ten. Only the ACC (seven) had fewer. The Big 12 and Pac-12 checked in with 23 apiece.
That may be changing some, at least here.
“I think Nebraska’s got to find another way to recruit because their pipelines are tougher now,” Sims said. “Scott Frost and his staff have very good relationships. They can get on guys that maybe Mike Riley couldn’t."
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I think we discussed him on the old board, the 6'9" 400 pound IMG recruit who had never actually played football.
Well, we will be seeing plenty of him, committed to sink...I mean row the boat.
yep, Daniel Faalele. He is from Australia, this year was his first year ever playing football. Lots of big schools took a look at him, none really offered him.
Minnesota also got a commit from Curtis Dunlap, a 4* guard who also goes to IMG and was committed to Florida. He's only oh... 6'4, 400+ pounds.
Gonna need a bigger boat.
Both of them are projects. Great size but they need to lose weight. The 6'9 height is fine, it's that 400+ pounds that needs to go down. Jonathan Ogden is one of the greatest tackles in NFL history and he was 6'9. But he was 340 pounds- not 400+.
Always a fan of OL prospects that are 6'6, 270 in high school. Much easier to redshirt a kid put 30-40 pounds on him gradually than it is to get a 400 pound kid and make him lose 40 or 50 pounds and maintain.
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At 6-9, he'd have to go from 400 to probably 340 or 350 to be effective. The trouble is, losing that much weight and not losing muscle is really tough. He'll be on the rowing machine a lot, I reckon.
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At 6-9, he'd have to go from 400 to probably 340 or 350 to be effective. The trouble is, losing that much weight and not losing muscle is really tough. He'll be on the rowing machine a lot, I reckon.
exactly, which is why a lot of bigger schools looked at him but took a pass.
He's a huge project. Literally. But if it works out it could pay off huge for Minnesota. Definitely worth the risk for them imo.
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At 6-9, he'd have to go from 400 to probably 340 or 350 to be effective. The trouble is, losing that much weight and not losing muscle is really tough. He'll be on the rowing machine a lot, I reckon.
no more burgers, pizza, bread, or pasta
just fish, skinless chicken, and veggies
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Nebraska picked up the first commit of the Scott Frost era as Oxbridge Academy (Fla.) safety CJ Smith committed to the Huskers.
Smith is the No. 309 overall player in the country according to the industry-generated 247Sports Composite and officially visited over the weekend.
The 6-foot-2, 193-pound Smith was actually offered by Nebraska as a sophomore, but was re-offered by Scott Frost's staff last week, and visited by assistant Jovan Dewitt prior to his official visit.
Smith chose the Huskers after taking official visits to Oklahoma UCF, Ole Miss and Baylor.
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MSU starting to gain a lot of momentum with 4* WR Tommy Bush out of Texas.
MSU was his first offer I believe, but all of his CBs were for Texas. He took his official to MSU for the PSU game, then last week cancelled his Georgia visit this weekend, and a bunch of guys, including the lead Texas 247 writer, flipped their pick to MSU.
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yeah, Jones has been flirting with Alabama/St. Nick for awhile. Sounds like Jones wants to stay closer to home and sees the depth chart at Alabama as more favorable, and is upset Ohio State has been out recruiting other QB's. My take is, why you mad Urban is going after other QB's when you are talking to other schools? Kids these days.
not sure what depth chart he's been looking at, but bama very likely has the next 3 years worth of qb's already on campus in hurts and tua. don't know anyone else's depth chart, but can't imagine it's much more full than bama's.
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Nebraska has had a lot of de-commitments recently. Like 4 or so top rated kids.
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Is MSU full at WR this class?
Sounds like one of the UW commits from there is getting shaky.
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Is MSU full at WR this class?
Sounds like one of the UW commits from there is getting shaky.
They have 2, if they land Bush, they'll be done. They might be done either way, kind of like Gervin at CB, where the plan was to take two, but if you can land one way up your board you take him and sort it out later.
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AJ Abbott (Bloomfield) was in Madison for his official this past weekend, but there is word he might not be coming. I know he had an MSU offer so that's why I asked.
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AJ Abbott (Bloomfield) was in Madison for his official this past weekend, but there is word he might not be coming. I know he had an MSU offer so that's why I asked.
I don't think MSU is involved with him at all, if so I haven't heard a thing.
My guess is Bush or nothing at WR.
If they do take anyone else, my guess is that it would be Jalen Nailor, the 3* kid from Vegas who decommitted from ASU when Graham was fired. MSU offered him initially, before he picked ASU back in the spring. His teammate, and MSU legacy Jacob Isaia committed since then, so there is an in, but it seems like Utah is probably the team to beat.
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Must be more to the story, or there is no story at all. We'll know in 9 days.
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not sure what depth chart he's been looking at, but bama very likely has the next 3 years worth of qb's already on campus in hurts and tua. don't know anyone else's depth chart, but can't imagine it's much more full than bama's.
heard a rumor Tua might transfer to UCLA to play for Chip. Might make sense for him honestly. Hurts isn't leaving any time soon, he's not a legitimate NFL QB prospect. Hurts will be the QB in 2018 and 2019.
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Nebraska has had a lot of de-commitments recently. Like 4 or so top rated kids.
well that usually happens when you fire the entire coaching staff and hire a new coach this late in the game lol.
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That 4* WR Tommy Bush would be a huge pick-up out of Texas if MSU was able to pull it off.
He's rated as the #193 player in the 247Composite, but 247 only has him ranked as a 3* in their own rankings. Rivals and ESPN are way higher on him than 247.
He's got size and speed, and you can't teach that. He measured 6'4, 189 and ripped off a 4.47 in the 40 at the opening. Can't teach that kind of height, length and speed. Anything under 4.5 is just moving. Especially at that size.
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Michigan will host it's Outback bowl practices at Berkley College Prepatory School in the Tampa Bay area. Wait for it....same HS as 5* OT Nicholas Petit-Frere (6'6, 270) of Florida.
Michigan was Petit-Frere's first offer ever. One of his HS assistant coaches is Garrett Rivas who was a kicker at Michigan, and his HS head coach is friendly with Harbaugh as apparently he's like a super-fan of the Chicago Bears and knows Jim since Jim's days with the Bears.
Before the mass bitching ensues, it's legal.
Alabama did this to land a pair of 5 STARZZZ! recruits from the same high school in the Orlando area. 5* DB HaHa Clinton-Dix (who was uncommitted at the time) and 5* RB Dee Hart (who was committed to Michigan at the time) of Dr. Phillips high school. Alabama held their bowl practices at Dr. Phillips and paid the school an outrageous some of money per hour to use the facilities and also spent tens of thousands of dollars to make permanent improvements to the locker-room, field, and weight facilities at no cost to Dr. Phillips. Yeah, Alabama signed both those guys. Clinton-Dix went on to be a 1st round NFL draft pick and Dee Hart was recruited over by other 5* RB's and barely played his first 2 years then transferred to Colorado State ran for 1,300 yards and bolted for the NFL draft instead of coming back for his 5th year and went undrafted.
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well that usually happens when you fire the entire coaching staff and hire a new coach this late in the game lol.
I think it's more WHO they hired, with the major offensive philosophy shift. These guys had to have known for a month they wouldn't be playing for Riley.
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saw that. has MSU been on him? All his CRYSTAL BALLZ went from PSU to Cloudy. Will be interesting to see if Michigan gets in on him. They need tackles in the worst way. I really like Ryan Hayes' and Jalen Mayfield's upside, but they both need redshirts and to put on a little bit of size. Reed is more physically ready to step in and play right away if need be.
I wonder if distance was a factor here in his de-commitment from Penn State. Reed went to that IMG Academy super-school in Florida for a year and transferred back home because he was home sick.
EDIT: sounds like it might be grades issue. doubt Michigan or MSU get in on that one if it's the case. Kentucky?
MSU not getting involved for now. Sounds like the grades thing is legit.
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heard a rumor Tua might transfer to UCLA to play for Chip. Might make sense for him honestly. Hurts isn't leaving any time soon, he's not a legitimate NFL QB prospect. Hurts will be the QB in 2018 and 2019.
i've not heard that other than complete fan speculation. wouldn't be completely surprising, but i would guess no going by things now.
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4 star receiver Kamryn Babb and 4 star DT Tommy Togiagi commit to the Bucks
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the recruit does a better "W" than the coach
the Coach is no Scott Frost
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Williams is sticking with Big Red.
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4 star receiver Kamryn Babb and 4 star DT Tommy Togiagi commit to the Bucks
two big time pick-ups. Ohio State's 2018 class is incredible. It's silly really.
Harbaugh had back to back #4 and #5 classes (if you recalculate 2016 with Shea Patterson, that is) in 2016 and 2017. Meyer was #5 and #2 those years. Pretty close on paper. Right about where Harbaugh needed to be to keep up pace.
But this year though, entirely different story. Meyer has lapped Jim and left him in the dust on the 'crootin trail. OSU is a virtual lock for the #1 class and it's one of the highest ranked classes ever since the 'crootin sites have been ranking classes. Harbaugh slipping all the way to #12 in 2018 and it doesn't look good for him down the stretch. Probably won't finish in the top 10, unless they get some unlikely surpirses, probably more like top 15 ish finish.
2019, Jim's off to a hot start nationally with a 5* DL commit from Georiga, 5* DL commit from Kentucky, high 4* OL commit from Ohio, and a 4* LB commit from Florida, but it's somewhat of big year in-state with one 5* prospect and eight 4* prospects, and he's not really a big factor for any of them at the moment and he'll have to do major work to get involved.
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Harbaugh was selling change. He's been there long enough, he has to sell results now, and he's got none of them to sell.
Michigan always sells itself though. Kind of just have to stay out of your own way and you'll land a top 10ish class without trying.
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Harbaugh was selling change. He's been there long enough, he has to sell results now, and he's got none of them to sell.
Michigan always sells itself though. Kind of just have to stay out of your own way and you'll land a top 10ish class without trying.
That's partially true. 2016 was a wasted opportunity. If they had taken care of business against Iowa and Ohio State, they were a likely playoff team. That would've helped out recruiting, obviously. Michigan can recruit itself to a certain extent. It'll get you in the door for a lot of high school recruits. But you still need great recruiters to actually land a lot of those kids.
I think the recruiting has fallen off though because he lost his recruiting co-ordinator Tony Tuioti to Cal (Cal hired him as an actual position coach- he coaches LB's there) before the start of this season and brought on a new recruiting co-ordinator who is probably not as good as the old one. Tuioti was actually integral in landing 4*'s Devin Asiasi out of California and Chuck Filiaga out of Texas. Not sure the new recruiting co-ordinator Matt Dudek is a difference maker like that. It's also obviously fallen off because of the coaching changes. Wheatley was honestly maybe their best recruiter. He's gone. Jedd Fisch was also one of the stronger recruiters. He's gone. Drevno was known as the weakest recruiter on the staff. Until Harbaugh hired Pep Hamilton that is. Hamilton is the worst recruiter on that staff. He's landed no one. He comes from the NFL, he's coached in college for like 3 years his entire coaching career. He hates recruiting.
Losing Wheatley was a huge blow. Word on the street is he wanted to stay but he and Drevno did not get along. At all. Good choice Jim. Good choice.
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Yeah, I just meant to recruit at Meyer's level, his pedigree and name aren't going to be enough anymore. He has to win at Meyer's level.
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Yeah, I just meant to recruit at Meyer's level, his pedigree and name aren't going to be enough anymore. He has to win at Meyer's level.
that's definitely true. you don't land classes like the one Meyer is this year without winning a National Title. That class is insane. Just doesn't happen unless you've won like Meyer. They weren't ever going to land a class like that. But they've fallen from back to back top 5 classes to likely finishing outside the top 15 this year. It looks really bad for the finish down the stretch, they are probably going to miss out on everybody.
Michigan's recruiting has fallen off the map since losing Wheatley to the NFL, Jedd Fisch to UCLA, and recruiting co-ordinator Tuitoi to Cal. 247Sports does a top 25 recruiters of the year list. Wheatley and Fisch were on those lists every year they were at Michigan. The guys who replaced them...nowhere near that list. Pep Hamilton is terrible at recruiting, he hates it. Don't get me started on the new recruiting co-ordinator who is basically a clown. He's been engaging with fans on twitter like a damn moron and half the stuff he tweets- just absolutely embarrassing. He is not a grown up. Reminds me of that OSU WR's coach or something.
Alabama is trying to go after LB's coach Chris Partridge hard, who is by far Michigan's best recruiter and was #1 on that top 25 recruiters of the year list for 2017 and #12 in 2016. Partridge and Mattison are the only reason this class hasn't fallen off the deep end. If they lost Partridge to Alabama, my GOD man, don't even want to think about that.
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I admittedly have not followed much, but is Harbaugh on the trail himself? He's a good recruiter and should be doing that as much as possible. Or is he just the closer now?
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I admittedly have not followed much, but is Harbaugh on the trail himself? He's a good recruiter and should be doing that as much as possible. Or is he just the closer now?
he's on the trail, just not as much as the assistants. he is definitely "the closer". The guy they send on the in-home visits to seal the deal.
Most of the leg work is done by the assistants though. Chris Partridge and Wheatley were like their rockstar recruiters, they both landed a lot of highly rated kids and recruits just love them. Mattison and Fisch were really good recruiters as well, not quite at the level of the other two, but both very good. It was kind of a perfect recruiting set up with those 4 guys. They did most of the leg-work and Jim and Don Brown would do the closing. And Partridge and Wheatley- that was just an awesome combo. The work Wheatley did to re-gain foothold in the state of Michigan- just completely went out the window soon as he left. 2019 in-state looks pretty bad for Michigan, and it's going to be a pretty good class of in-state talent. Have a feeling it'd have been a hell of a lot different if Wheatley was still there.
Drevno has long been known as the weakest recruiter on that staff. Until they hired Pep Hamilton that is. Hamilton haaaaaates recruiting. One of the top 247Sports national recruiting analysts Steve Witflong (who is a ND fan, but very plugged into recruiting around the country) basically called out Drevno and Hamilton, said they are two of the weaker recruiters in the entire country and they aren't earning their salaries. And the dude has got a point. Drevno is making over $1 million per year and so is Pep Hamilton. The fact that Jim feels the need to pay those guys that kind of money, absolute insanity to me.
I've got no problem paying coaches that sort of money, if they are worth it. Those guys are nowhere worth it. Let them hit the open market. They'd never in a million years get jobs paying them that kind of dough. Only reason they are making that kind of scratch is....they are favorites of Jim Harbaugh. All that meritocracy talk is just that. Talk. If he's supposedly only going to hire the best coaches then why on earth would he hire those two and pay them that kind of loot? Or hire his son for that matter. If he's only going to play the best players, then why on earth did he stick with J'Oke for so long before pulling the plug and inserting Peters? Or why did he only give Karran Higdon, who is clearly his best pure runner- the bulk of the carries only after Ty Isaac went down with an injury? Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and think he's one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the sport and he's the best Michigan can get, but he is definitely full of a lot hot air.
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It will be telling to see what happens after the bowl season, or even after Wednesday's signing period. If those two guys are not out recruiting now, maybe there is a reason.
But.. there is no way he's gonna fire his kid and there are probably not many schools who would do Harbaugh "a favor" and take the kid off his hands... Heh.
The kid has no useful purpose, from my outsider's point of view.
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It will be telling to see what happens after the bowl season, or even after Wednesday's signing period. If those two guys are not out recruiting now, maybe there is a reason.
But.. there is no way he's gonna fire his kid and there are probably not many schools who would do Harbaugh "a favor" and take the kid off his hands... Heh.
The kid has no useful purpose, from my outsider's point of view.
lots of "insider talk" that Pep Hamilton wants to go back to the NFL. I say good riddance and good luck. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. That was a huge bust of a hire. He has been dreadful on the recruiting trail. A guy making that kind of money better either be an offensive genius like a Mike Leach or an unbelievable ace recruiter like a Wheatley or Partridge. Pep Hamilton is neither of those things.
I don't know how he's ever going to get rid of Drevno. Sounds like he just won't fire the guy for some reason. Apparently- according to the insiders- Jedd Fisch was going to be promoted to OC because Drevno had another job lined up last off-season but Drevno had a change for heart at the last second. I don't know if it was Jim talking him into staying. But what a disastrous turn of events for Michigan. That cost them Jedd Fisch and Tyrone Wheatley. Fisch left for an OC job with UCLA, and word on the street is Wheatley left because he didn't see eye to eye with Drevno. There was a lot of friction on that staff between Fisch and Drevno and Wheatley and Drevno.
Harbaugh screwed up badly. He should've fired Drevno, promoted Fisch to OC, given Wheatley a pay raise and given him the title of Associate Head Coach and Run Game Co-ordinator. Would've been able to keep Wheatley and Fisch. All he had to do was get rid of Drevno.
Don't get me started on the son. That one really pisses me off.
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Yep. Sounds like he's looking at Purdue right now, but he's set to visit Louisville and Cincy. UW kicked the tires this week but backed off.
USC
Hmmm
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Nebraska added another commitment to its 2018 class on Sunday, as Deontai Williams announced for the Huskers.
Williams, a former Florida commitment, was a late addition to the guest list this weekend. The defender played at Jones County Junior College this past season and should have three years of eligibility.
Nebraska’s staff offered Williams when he was at UCF and recruited the defender even when he was committed to Florida. Following the coaching change, Williams decided to open things up from Florida, putting Nebraska’s new staff in the picture.
Williams was part of the 2015 signing class at Trinity Catholic Academy. He signed with Ohio as a four-star, but only because Georgia didn’t send him a Letter of Intent on signing day, after Williams had already flipped his commitment to the Bulldogs from the Gators.
From there he ended up at Jones County. NJCAA shows Williams registered 20 tackles and came away with two interceptions in a shortened season.
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USC
Hmmm
Private schools can do things that others can't.
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spoiled children like Pete Carroll can cheat
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Harbaugh was selling change. He's been there long enough, he has to sell results now, and he's got none of them to sell.
Michigan always sells itself though. Kind of just have to stay out of your own way and you'll land a top 10ish class without trying.
Which is what Franklin's selling at PSU - results - and if they land Parsons, Oweh, Walker, Enis and (now) Dotson, that'll be the best class on paper at PSU in almost 20 years.
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It will be telling to see what happens after the bowl season, or even after Wednesday's signing period. If those two guys are not out recruiting now, maybe there is a reason.
Meaning outside of the dead period that's in effect now thru Jan?
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Meaning outside of the dead period that's in effect now thru Jan?
They can still make phone calls and write to kids/parents and such during any "dead" period, but there can't be any in-person contact (as of yesterday, through January 11).
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Which is what Franklin's selling at PSU - results - and if they land Parsons, Oweh, Walker, Enis and (now) Dotson, that'll be the best class on paper at PSU in almost 20 years.
no doubt about it. Penn State's class is great. If they finish with those guys it'll rival Ohio State's.
Harbaugh/Michigan bungled the Oweh recruitment. Didn't offer him up until a month ago. They were also super late to the Justin Shorter party. That kid blew up.
Parsons is a great talent, but there's some risk there. WOTS is that kid is a bit of a head case. Big-time talent though. For sure.
Penn State's class would've been insane had QB Justin Fields stuck to his Penn State committment. I can understand him wanting to stay closer to home, but Georgia is just a bad fit for him. They don't run the type of offense that fits him, Penn State did. And not to mention Georgia has Jake Fromm who is a firm entrenched starter and isn't going anywhere for the next 3 years. Fromm isn't a big-time NFL prospect. He's staying through his SR year. Path to playing time was clear-cut at PSU for Fields. Redshirt, learn the offense, take over in 2019 after McSorley leaves.
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Looks like OSU messed up their chances with Parsons. Self-reported a recruiting violation, and now they have to bow out. I'm guessing that leaves just PSU and Oklahoma.
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Sounds like Purdue may have flipped 4* WR Rondale Moore away from Texas.
It's a new day when the Boilermakers are flipping big time recruits away from the Longhorns.
Makes a couple of big time gets this class for Brohm. Granted one is from West Lafayette, and this one I believe is from Brohm's HS, but even still, you think 2 years ago Hazell lands a 4* from West Lafayette and one from his HS? No way. These are the connections you have to take advantage of when you are first starting your program building, and Brohm appears to be doing so.
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Looks like OSU messed up their chances with Parsons. Self-reported a recruiting violation, and now they have to bow out. I'm guessing that leaves just PSU and Oklahoma.
Weird story. The kid denies it and so have some other people. The whole thing is really odd - the violations were almost less than nothing - he got his picture taken with Eddie George. The family says that they think OSU ended the recruitment because Parsons tweeted something critical of JT Barrett. Who knows.
In any event, looks like 3 star DE Alex Williams reaps the reward, as it appears he is flipping from West Virginia to Ohio State tomorrow. He's a local kid from Columbus suburb Pickerington.
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The letters are starting to come in for UW. The entire (so far) 2018 class is expected to sign today.
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My HS contributes a Spartan and a Penguin.
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The letters are starting to come in for UW. The entire (so far) 2018 class is expected to sign today.
that might actually be a huge benefit for wisk. get a large head start on next year.
bama will likely get around 75% of our class today and will be a smaller class for bama (22-ish) this year. we will have to fight for the last 5-8 we sign in spring.
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no doubt about it. Penn State's class is great. If they finish with those guys it'll rival Ohio State's.
Harbaugh/Michigan bungled the Oweh recruitment. Didn't offer him up until a month ago. They were also super late to the Justin Shorter party. That kid blew up.
Parsons is a great talent, but there's some risk there. WOTS is that kid is a bit of a head case. Big-time talent though. For sure.
Penn State's class would've been insane had QB Justin Fields stuck to his Penn State committment. I can understand him wanting to stay closer to home, but Georgia is just a bad fit for him. They don't run the type of offense that fits him, Penn State did. And not to mention Georgia has Jake Fromm who is a firm entrenched starter and isn't going anywhere for the next 3 years. Fromm isn't a big-time NFL prospect. He's staying through his SR year. Path to playing time was clear-cut at PSU for Fields. Redshirt, learn the offense, take over in 2019 after McSorley leaves.
I was shocked Harbaugh was so late to the Oweh party. I understand he's a project, but seemed right in the wheelhouse of what Harbaugh likes to recruit. Supposedly Oweh signed today, but it keeping it quiet until Jan 4. M seems to have slipped off recruiting NJ heavily after getting Gary a few years back; what's going on with that?
I give Franklin a TON of credit on Shorter. Shorter was way off of people's radars early and Franklin was all over him. After The Opening that kid just blew up and never remotely wavered on his PSU commitment.
Obviously Parsons will be a big time talent and with him EE'ing, he'll see the field Day 1 next year. But man, kid's such a headcase.....
Three consensus 5* guys for PSU (Slade included), but what always excites me about classes like this are the 3* under the radar types. Those are the Grant Haleys of the world, the Christian Campbells. I know we got a couple in this class in Culpepper, Minor, Humphries, etc.
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MSU not getting involved for now. Sounds like the grades thing is legit.
And he signs with WMU. I'm sure he's in academically stellar shape.
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that might actually be a huge benefit for wisk. get a large head start on next year.
bama will likely get around 75% of our class today and will be a smaller class for bama (22-ish) this year. we will have to fight for the last 5-8 we sign in spring.
MSUs entire class signed as well
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Sounds like Purdue may have flipped 4* WR Rondale Moore away from Texas.
It's a new day when the Boilermakers are flipping big time recruits away from the Longhorns.
Makes a couple of big time gets this class for Brohm. Granted one is from West Lafayette, and this one I believe is from Brohm's HS, but even still, you think 2 years ago Hazell lands a 4* from West Lafayette and one from his HS? No way. These are the connections you have to take advantage of when you are first starting your program building, and Brohm appears to be doing so.
Well, I'l believe it when there's a signed LOI. He decommitted from Texas, and most recruiting services *think* he's a Purdue lean, but he hasn't even verbally committed. All we know is we're in his top 5, supposedly. But apparently that's Purdue, Alabama, Florida State, Ohio State, and Michigan. That's not exactly a list of schools that I expect Purdue to win recruiting battles against.
That said, it is Brohm's HS [where apparently he and his brother are legends], and from what I've heard, Brohm is EXTREMELY well known and respected in the Louisville area generally. It wouldn't surprise me if we start getting a lot more recruits down there.
Supposedly he's going to make his decision [or announce it] at the Army All-American game. So we should know by Jan 6...
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Good to see Maryland sign the majority of their All-B1G #6 team.
Cowart coming home is a fairly big deal, since he may be immediately eligible.
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that might actually be a huge benefit for wisk. get a large head start on next year.
bama will likely get around 75% of our class today and will be a smaller class for bama (22-ish) this year. we will have to fight for the last 5-8 we sign in spring.
They have 5 kids "committed" for next year. 3 4* and 2 3* kids. A couple of them could be really hard to hang onto.
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Good to see Maryland sign the majority of their All-B1G #6 team.
Cowart coming home is a fairly big deal, since he may be immediately eligible.
I bet Ray Lewis' kid makes more of an impact for the Terps than Cowart does. Just a gut feeling.
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I bet Ray Lewis' kid makes more of an impact for the Terps than Cowart does. Just a gut feeling.
He has been a bit of a head case, and he needs to prove something before he sees the field, according to insiders.
It's not a given.
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uga and clemson are on fire. cray good day for them.
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4 star receiver Cameron Brown flips from Nebraska to OSU
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Snapshot of B1G classes per 247:
1. OSU (1)
2. PSU (4)
3. Michigan (12)
4. Maryland (19)
5. MSU (24)
6. Minnesota (27)
7. Wisconsin (35)
8. Iowa (39)
9. Rutgers (40)
10. Indiana (41)
11. Nebraska (45)
12. Purdue (46)
13. Northwstern (50)
14. Illinois (62)
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4 star receiver Cameron Brown flips from Nebraska to OSU
This might be the biggest non surprise in recruiting history...
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not surprising that the only California kid signed with Nebraska so far today is a QB offered by Frost
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PSU flips Jahan Dotson from UCLA. Dotson was long seen as a PSU lean early in the process, but I have a feeling in Sept the staff told him no room remained, and he committed to Mora. Now with PSU losing a few guys like Hardy and I. Young, it appears space reopened and he became a big flip candidate as recently as Monday. Flip complete.
PSU's class, including Dotson and Parsons, is in up to this point with the exception of Saquon Anderson-Butts. Lot of smoke around him needing to get his house in order and, assuming he does, he'll sign in Feb. That leaves essentially 3 spots open for 4 guys - Oweh (who has supposedly signed somewhere but keeping it a secret so he can announce at the AA game), Walker, Enis and SAB.
Appears the Tyreke Smith ship has sailed and he'll end up in Columbus, good get for the Bucks.
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Snapshot of B1G classes per 247:
1. OSU (1)
2. PSU (4)
3. Michigan (12)
4. Maryland (19)
5. MSU (24)
6. Minnesota (27)
7. Wisconsin (35)
8. Iowa (39)
9. Rutgers (40)
10. Indiana (41)
11. Nebraska (45)
12. Purdue (46)
13. Northwstern (50)
14. Illinois (62)
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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The more things change, the more they stay the same.
But what's interesting there? The worst of the worst were better than the past. Everyone except Illinois were top-50 or better. I think there have been a number of years recently where the B1G would have several teams past 50--my own Boilermakers being one of the most egregious ones with 3 of past 4 recruiting classes ranked in the 70s nationally.
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This might be the biggest non surprise in recruiting history...
nothing tops golic to notre dame
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But what's interesting there? The worst of the worst were better than the past. Everyone except Illinois were top-50 or better. I think there have been a number of years recently where the B1G would have several teams past 50--my own Boilermakers being one of the most egregious ones with 3 of past 4 recruiting classes ranked in the 70s nationally.
The rankings are a little misleading because they take the size of the class into account, but I see your point too.
There is a big drop in player ratings from OSU and PSU to even Michigan.
Minny is ahead of UW because it has 26 kids signed while UW has 19. UW has a better player rating. And then there is Iowa, with a better player rating than UW but only has 16 kids signed.
UNL sits at 11, but has the best player rating in the West.
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Top five Big Ten classes are all in the B1G East.
Oddly enough, even the dregs of the B1G East are ahead of Nebraska.
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Top five Big Ten classes are all in the B1G East.
Oddly enough, even the dregs of the B1G East are ahead of Nebraska.
Not in player rankings.
Be fair to UNL and understand that they lost 4 or 5 4* players since they fired Riley, who was a good recruiter for them. He just couldn't make it translate to wins.
February (or December...) championships don't mean much when November rolls around.
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The Dawgs are having a good day, about as good as anyone could hope for.
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So.. Dabo gets the teeth out on Urban.
From an OSU beat writer:
Dabo Swinney told Jackson Carman during his recruitment that Urban Meyer is on the back end of his career in terms of years left. “It wasn’t a major factor, but it was an underlying one,” Carman said.
8:40 AM - 20 Dec 2017
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So.. Dabo gets the teeth out on Urban.
From an OSU beat writer:
Dabo Swinney told Jackson Carman during his recruitment that Urban Meyer is on the back end of his career in terms of years left. “It wasn’t a major factor, but it was an underlying one,” Carman said.
8:40 AM - 20 Dec 2017
Wait....negative recruiting? Noooo......I don't believe it.
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The Dawgs are having a good day, about as good as anyone could hope for.
Horns are doing alright, too.
But none of it makes a lick of difference if it doesn't translate into player development and on-field success. I'll remain cautiously... cautious... until I see a much better product on the field than what we've seen the past 8 seasons in Austin.
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Former Detroit Cass Tech, and one time MSU verbal Jayru Campbell, who lost his offer after bodyslamming a school security guard, and subsequently got arrested, has seemingly gotten back at track in a JUCO, and has now signed with D2 Ferris State.
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man what a crazy day in recruiting.
Michigan flips a 3* DL prospect from Germany away from Georgia Tech lol.
Ohio State loses out to Clemson on the top player in the state in 5* OL Jackson Carman- and Dabo fires a shot across the bow at Urban Meyer in the process. Ohio State also lost 4* QB commit Emory Jones to Florida- but I think they knew that one was coming. Sounds like they might lose 5* safety commit Jaiden Woodbey to Florida State tonight. Lost 5* DE Brenton Cox a few backs and he wound up staying home and signing with Georgia. The situation with 5* DE Micah Parsons was more complicated than just him taking a picture with Eddie George, but that's a kid that wanted to go to Ohio State and for whatever reason they wouldn't/couldn't take him. Crazy to think they lose all these highly rated players and still wind up with the #2 class. Lol. Just absurd. Just goes to show how amazing of a recruiter Meyer is. Had he landed all those kids he *just missed* on that would've probably been the highest rated recruiting class of all-time and it'd have been very hard for any class to catch it.
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welp, 5* safety Jaiden Woodbey (6'2, 200) of California makes it official and flips from Ohio State to FSU.
Willie Taggart with his first huge pick-up as FSU head coach. This one is really shocking to be honest. Willie Taggart must've just been lights out. If anything, thought he'd flip to hometown USC.
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really neat article by Sports Illustrated/Fox Sports CFB reporter Bruce Feldman on the German DE commit Michigan got and how schools are starting to tap into Europe for FBS football recruits.
https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/12/20/julius-welschof-michigan-wolverines-recruiting-germany-ppi
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Who knew that spring break trip was actually another satellite camp.
Flew under Nick's radar
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man what a crazy day in recruiting.
Michigan flips a 3* DL prospect from Germany away from Georgia Tech lol.
Ohio State loses out to Clemson on the top player in the state in 5* OL Jackson Carman- and Dabo fires a shot across the bow at Urban Meyer in the process. Ohio State also lost 4* QB commit Emory Jones to Florida- but I think they knew that one was coming. Sounds like they might lose 5* safety commit Jaiden Woodbey to Florida State tonight. Lost 5* DE Brenton Cox a few backs and he wound up staying home and signing with Georgia. The situation with 5* DE Micah Parsons was more complicated than just him taking a picture with Eddie George, but that's a kid that wanted to go to Ohio State and for whatever reason they wouldn't/couldn't take him. Crazy to think they lose all these highly rated players and still wind up with the #2 class. Lol. Just absurd. Just goes to show how amazing of a recruiter Meyer is. Had he landed all those kids he *just missed* on that would've probably been the highest rated recruiting class of all-time and it'd have been very hard for any class to catch it.
Crazy. The one that was probably a mild surprise was Jackson, although he never had anything g good to say about OSU .
IMO! The one that hurts was Cox who decommited a few weeks back, and distance from home was his reason. He is going to be a baller. The other three appear to be head cases. Urban was in Jones home and after all those Bama visits, which were more than tolerated, Urbz asked him if he was prepared to commit. When the kid said he was still I undecided OSU offers the Texas kid ( Baldwin) immediately.
Tag art was recruiting Woodbey from Oregon- with zero traction. Kid mentioned Schiano willing to leave as his reason for changing his 2 year relationship with OSU. LOL- so he flipped to a guy who went 7-6 and left his school high and dry. And Jackson is a walking cancer. Him and Dabo will go together well.
I like their class, and Meyer hinted there is more, but laying low on public announcements.
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Should be interesting. Now coaches have two months to focus on a handful of guys to fill out their classes. I bet the shots across the bow get even more interesting.
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UW offered a JuCo ILB this week (tells me the staff thinks/knows TJ Edwards is leaving) and he will be visiting on 1/12. He was set to announce for UNL or Iowa yesterday, but changed his plans so he could see Madison.
I think UW gets him.
https://247sports.com/Player/Will-Honas-46049576
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Top five Big Ten classes are all in the B1G East.
Oddly enough, even the dregs of the B1G East are ahead of Nebraska.
The huskers were going to have a small class this year.. it might be bigger with some transfers, but initially and how they recruited, it was going to be small. UNL has the 4th best ranking per player in the BIG, which, if you believe in the ratings, means they have pretty good quality for a small class.
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This was posted on another site regarding UNL's juco talent infusion:
Nebraska is going to sign 3 (hopefully 4) junior college players this year, but not only are they singing JC players but they are signing top shelf JC players.
Signed:
Greg Bell: #1 RB on 247 and Rivals, #2 on ESPN... 3 star
Jaron Woodyard: #2 WR on 247 and ESPN (unrated by Rivals)... 3 star
Deontai Williams: #2 S on 247 and #3 on ESPN (unrated by Rivals).. 3 star
Potential:
3 star Will Honas, who is ranked #1 ILB by 247 and ESPN (unrated)
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what I think is interesting is the top players in juco at their positions are only 3 stars... Guess I remember more being 4 stars. Not that it really matters, but I find it curious.
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UGA snagged Devonte Wyatt JUCO who was a 4 star DE.
He's already practicing with the team.
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UGA snagged Devonte Wyatt JUCO who was a 4 star DE.
He's already practicing with the team.
UGA about full on space?
What's the deal with high 4* LB/S hybrid Otis Reese? Georgia still going after him? I know Georgia had been trying really hard to flip him. He was Michigan's first commit of the 2018 class and he's a HS teammate of former 5* DT and Michigan freshman Aubrey Solomon. I hope like hell he sticks with Michigan.
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just throwing it out there, but one thing I've noticed lately is that highly rated kids in South Florida have been leaving the state at record pace the last 10 years or so. Going to LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Clemson, Ohio State, USC...even Ole Miss (Tunsil) etc.
That virtually never happened before. The top kids in Central and South Florida went to Miami, FSU, or Florida like 99.9% of the time. They're going all over now.
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I haven't looked, but I'm guessing there are more top-rated recruits in Florida then there were 10+ years ago. There are probably less top-rated recruits in Ohio and Pennsylvania, so they had to go somewhere.
The DMV area has kinda exploded too, in recent years.
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I haven't looked, but I'm guessing there are more top-rated recruits in Florida then there were 10+ years ago. There are probably less top-rated recruits in Ohio and Pennsylvania, so they had to go somewhere.
The DMV area has kinda exploded too, in recent years.
I don't know. There's always been major talent in Florida.
Back in the day a kid like Sammy Watkins would've never escaped FSU's grasp to go to Clemsom. Or a kid like Patrick Peterson escaping Miami's backyard to go to LSU. Or how about a kid like Trent Richardson spurning Florida for Alabma.
Those are 3 kids that wound up being top 5 NFL draft picks and they were elite elite recruits. The big 3 in Florida didn't use to miss on guys like that.
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Interesting article on talent distribution by state:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2016/6/28/12040586/rankings-state-stars-florida-texas-california
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Interesting article on talent distribution by state:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2016/6/28/12040586/rankings-state-stars-florida-texas-california
Yup, the top 3 aren't surprising at all. Pure population drives the majority of that.
Beyond those 3 is where it gets interesting.
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https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2017/12/18/16780636/best-recruits-2018-state-rankings (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2017/12/18/16780636/best-recruits-2018-state-rankings)
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The huskers were going to have a small class this year.. it might be bigger with some transfers, but initially and how they recruited, it was going to be small. UNL has the 4th best ranking per player in the BIG, which, if you believe in the ratings, means they have pretty good quality for a small class.
small class and then the entire coaching staff changing
didn't keep a couple of the major recruiters of major position groups just to save some 4-stars
was speculation that the WR coach or the DB coach might be retained to hang onto those california 4 stars in the class
I think it's better to give up on a few recruits than hold a coach more a few months or a year then push him out.
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Yeah, one of the things I *hate* about recruiting rankings is how big of a role class size plays. It's especially messy in basketball, where a team could have anywhere between 2 recruits and 5 recruits in a class depending on how their previous classes aligned. You can have two hotshot recruits but have a "poorly-rated" recruiting class due to size.
Granted, that's usually not a big issue in football, as all classes are typically big, but sometimes a school gets their classes unbalanced. I remember a few years ago Purdue had a 12-man recruiting class. Not that it would have been highly-rated in general due to the sorts of recruits we filled that class with, but it was ranked far more horribly than it would have been with 20 equally-rated recruits coming in. Quantity is sometimes deemed more important than quality.
Sounds like that's the issue for Nebraska. Getting some high-quality kids, but a small class of them. So their recruiting rank of 46th (per the other note above) doesn't reflect the quality of the kids they're bringing in.
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once Frost and his staff are through with the peach bowl, they will be able to spend more time filling out the class
only 10 kids signed yesterday, so they can add another 7 or 8 in Feb. Possibly more if there are transfers due to the coaching change.
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late coaching changes always wind up with horribly ranked recruiting classes in that first class.
Just the way it goes. New staff doesn't have the time to build the relationships with recruits and their families. Price you pay when you make a late coaching change at the end of the season. Even moreso now that there's an early signing period.
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Yeah, one of the things I *hate* about recruiting rankings is how big of a role class size plays. It's especially messy in basketball, where a team could have anywhere between 2 recruits and 5 recruits in a class depending on how their previous classes aligned. You can have two hotshot recruits but have a "poorly-rated" recruiting class due to size.
Granted, that's usually not a big issue in football, as all classes are typically big, but sometimes a school gets their classes unbalanced. I remember a few years ago Purdue had a 12-man recruiting class. Not that it would have been highly-rated in general due to the sorts of recruits we filled that class with, but it was ranked far more horribly than it would have been with 20 equally-rated recruits coming in. Quantity is sometimes deemed more important than quality.
Sounds like that's the issue for Nebraska. Getting some high-quality kids, but a small class of them. So their recruiting rank of 46th (per the other note above) doesn't reflect the quality of the kids they're bringing in.
lots of kids bust out, so quantity is also pretty important.
There are very few sure things in recruiting. IMO, there are maybe 5-10 kids every year who are really elite and obvious 5*'s. All the 5 and 4 *'s after those 5-10 or so is kinda interchangeable.
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lots of kids bust out, so quantity is also pretty important.
There are very few sure things in recruiting. IMO, there are maybe 5-10 kids every year who are really elite and obvious 5*'s. All the 5 and 4 *'s after those 5-10 or so is kinda interchangeable.
That's a fair argument, but teams usually don't aim for 12-person classes because they REALLY like those kids and feel they don't need more, they aim for 12-person classes because due to redshirts, transfers, etc their rosters are top-heavy and only have a limited number of scholarships in a given year.
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late coaching changes always wind up with horribly ranked recruiting classes in that first class.
Just the way it goes. New staff doesn't have the time to build the relationships with recruits and their families. Price you pay when you make a late coaching change at the end of the season. Even moreso now that there's an early signing period.
Almost always. Harbaugh's first one was ranked pretty high (player rankings). It was very small (13 maybe?) - too small to rank really high with the others. He probably had 6-8 4* players though.
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UW offered a JuCo ILB this week (tells me the staff thinks/knows TJ Edwards is leaving) and he will be visiting on 1/12. He was set to announce for UNL or Iowa yesterday, but changed his plans so he could see Madison.
I think UW gets him.
https://247sports.com/Player/Will-Honas-46049576
Heh. Announced for Nebraska today. The late offer really hurt UW in this one, as well as the late visit date. UNL starts school on the 8th, so waiting for a visit to UW would have killed enrolling early there. He took the sure thing, which is fine.
UW can always send him post cards from Indianapolis, so he could know what it looks like. :)
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Almost always. Harbaugh's first one was ranked pretty high (player rankings). It was very small (13 maybe?) - too small to rank really high with the others. He probably had 6-8 4* players though.
well that first class of his when he had like a month on the job to recruit was ranked 37th nationally, 5th in the B1G, and it had 14 commits.
6 of the commits were 4*'s, the other 8 commits were 3*'s. Of those six 4* commits, two Jim actually signed, Zach Gentry and Tyrone Wheatley. The other 4 were Brady Hoke commits that Jim convinced to stay on board. All the other highly ranked Brady Hoke commits like 5* WR George Campbell, 5* RB Damien Harris and 4* RB Mike Weber jumped ship.
In that 14 person class, 5 have left the program and one is going to try to come back in 2018 from a devastating injury, but it's 50/50 at this point. All depends on how it goes this spring. Which again, shows why quantity is also very important.
the 5 who left:
ATH Brian Cole - top 50 rated player nationally. highly talented athlete, couldn't keep his head on straight, got kicked out of school.
QB Alex Malzone - in all honestly probably should have never been ranked a 4*. Lacked the size and arm talent to play at a high level in FBS.
DE Shelton Johnson - 3* from FL that got booted, rumors are the ganja
CB Keith Washington - 3* from Alabama that was buried on the depth chart, transferred to JUCO then to WVU
K Andrew David - transferred to TCU
Then you have Grant Newsome who is basically 50/50 at this point if he'll play again. Could be looking at 6 guys gone out of a 14 man class. Wouldn't be surprised either if you saw a couple more from that class transfer before the start of 2018, because Nolan Ulizio and Rueben Jones have both basically proven themselves not capable of playing at this level and have been recruited over.
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Do you think Malzone would transfer?
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Do you think Malzone would transfer?
he is transferring. And yeah, I thought he would transfer the moment they got Peters (4*, top 50 player nationally in 2016) and McCaffrey (4*, top 150 player nationally in 2017) in back to back classes. Adding a top 5 player and #1 QB from the 2016 class in Patterson and then 4* Joe Milton and 3* Kevin Doyle for 2018 probably didn't help.
No way he was ever beating any of those guys out. They are all physically bigger and have far more arm talent than he does. Malzone's arm is probably not even as good as McCaffrey's, and McCaffrey is rail thin and has the weakest arm of those other 5.
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late coaching changes always wind up with horribly ranked recruiting classes in that first class.
Just the way it goes. New staff doesn't have the time to build the relationships with recruits and their families. Price you pay when you make a late coaching change at the end of the season. Even moreso now that there's an early signing period.
Urbs put together a fantastic class right after being hired.
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Urbs put together a fantastic class right after being hired.
Yes, he did, but he was permitted to recruit immediately, even though OSU had a head coach (Fickell) and staff at the time to prepare for the bowl game.
That was a very weird arrangement and Urbs was able to do a lot of visiting and flipping as a result.
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was he hired in December?
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Heh. Announced for Nebraska today. The late offer really hurt UW in this one, as well as the late visit date. UNL starts school on the 8th, so waiting for a visit to UW would have killed enrolling early there. He took the sure thing, which is fine.
UW can always send him post cards from Indianapolis, so he could know what it looks like. :)
yup, late offer to the DT from Lincoln hurt Frost as well
They both have outstanding opportunities and they get to wear RED
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Yeah. Mid-November actually. He had a ton of time.
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Yes, he did, but he was permitted to recruit immediately, even though OSU had a head coach (Fickell) and staff at the time to prepare for the bowl game.
That was a very weird arrangement and Urbs was able to do a lot of visiting and flipping as a result.
yeah, this.
Urbz basically just kept all the kids that were coming from jumping ship, and got some big flips. He also benefited greatly from the implosion at PSU. Also benefited from Fickell remaining on the staff as the DC. Some of those kids might not have stuck if Fickell was fired. It was a unique situation.
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Yeah, Tress had already recruited about half the class. Fickel got a few commits while he was in charge; mostly in-state guys that would of gone to OSU no matter who the coach was. Then Urban flipped all of the best Penn St recruits in the Sandusky aftermath, while plucking a bunch of random blue chips from all around the country.
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Bumped Flipped a highly rated UW OL recruit too. The kid never played, I don't think, due to injuries, but who knows what might have happened had he stuck with his original "commitment" to UW.
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He should nab Wisconsin's top OL recruit every year.
Those guys are incredible.
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Until they play OSU and Bosa, yeah, they are good.
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yup, late offer to the DT from Lincoln hurt Frost as well
They both have outstanding opportunities and they get to wear RED
There is more story coming out. Stay tuned.
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5* USC commit and #1 rated QB in the 2019 class JT Daniels of California (6'2, 205) reclassifies to 2018 and will enroll early at USC. Big deal for USC if Darnold goes pro. He'll be able to come in and compete right away.
His 3-year high school #'s are insane- 12,000+ passing yards, 152 TD's to just 14 INT's. QB'd them to back to back state title appearances with 1 victory at Mater Dei (same HS as former USC QB's Matt Barkley and Matt Leinart).
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Receiver Justin McGriff from Tampa is officially on board on the final day of the December early-signing period.
not bad getting 12 signatures early with a coaching change and only 18 or so slots available
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Yep, that's damn good. The staff will have a month or so after the bowl games to pick up other kids. I think the JuCo signing deadline is January 15, no?
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RB, LB, Safety, and a WR from Jucos might be all they take, but ya never know
I'm sure they will fill out the small class
plus 6 walk-ons from the state of Nebraska
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just gonna put this here since I guess these guys in a way are like recruits even though they are transfers....
former 4* and Ole Miss WR Van Jefferson is transferring to Florida. Couldn't get cleared through admissions at Michigan, and he took trips to Louisville and Florida and went with Florida. Pretty sure he can play right away since he was part of that 2015 class.
former 4* and Ohio State WR Trevon Grimes is also transferring to Florida. He'll have to sit but he can potentially apply for a waiver if he can show the reason for the transfer was a family issue which required him to be closer to home.
Two big-time WR pick ups by Dan Mullen to go along with the flip of 4* QB Emory Jones. I wouldn't bet against Mullen getting that thing turned around.
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Here?
Tre Watson transfers in from Illinois.
Defense gets another good player.
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Does the Big Ten still have its policy that if a kid transfers to a member school, there can be no scholarship?
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IU dealt with a really weird situation on signing day. Randy Charlton, 3* DE from Miami, 100% wanted to sign with IU where his teammate and friend James Head, also a 3* DE, was signing. He had been ready to commit for more than month. Reportedly the only thing holding him back was his mothers refusal to allow him to go to school that far from home. At his school’s signing day ceremony he tearfully committed to FIU, much to the obvious surprise of Head. He let the IU coaches know afterward that he didn’t want to go to FIU but his mom wouldn’t relent.
Later that night, all of the sudden he posted on Twitter that he was 100% committed to IU and would be signing in the morning.
The next morning UCF announced that he had signed with them. Mama got her way.
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That's very selfish of the mother. She probably has no idea how much her kid resents her. That is something that just builds too.
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ya never know
momma might know best
could work out for the best
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I wouldn't bet against Mullen getting that thing turned around.
I believe so had him in the coaches thread landing in G'ville.Solid recruiter & fundamentals guy
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I believe so had him in the coaches thread landing in G'ville.Solid recruiter & fundamentals guy
he's a great fit for Florida. Been there with Meyer for 4 years, knows it in and out. Been a head coach in the SEC West for the last 9 years and did great for Miss State- probably as competitive as they've been in ages. He was the QB's coach for Urban and helped develop Josh Harris at Bowling Green, Alex Smith at Utah, Tebow at Florida, and Dak and this Fitzgerald kid at Miss State.
He'll do really good at Florida imo.
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3* DL Jamarcus Chatman from GA, who decommitted from Tennessee, is visiting MSU, along with UNC, FSU and Florida.
MSU has been recruiting Georgia pretty well, and interior DL is probably the biggest position of need to round out this class.
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Pair of four star defensive ends commit. Tyreke Smith to the Bucks and Jayson Oweh to Penn State
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Pair of four star defensive ends commit. Tyreke Smith to the Bucks and Jayson Oweh to Penn State
Good gets for both. Smith can play today, Oweh's a more physical freak but will need a few years to develop.
Leaves PSU with 22 signed, 1 committed (Anderson-Butts, expected to sign in Feb if he gets academics in order) and two more spots open.
Last big battle between the two is Rasheed Walker, the OT outta DMV area. Has an OV scheduled to OSU this month, will be down to PSU, OSU and VT in the end.
Last on the 'want' list for PSU then is Solomon Enis, WR out of Phoenix. I think if he goes elsewhere PSU will eat the 'ship for the year and pocket for next year.
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2018 Michigan signee 4* DE Aidan Hutchinson had a heck of a game in the Army All-American Bowl. 3 TFL's and 2 sacks. Was in that backfield all game, maybe most impressive defensive lineman in the game.
Runs in the genes. Dad was an All-time great defensive player at Michigan despite being undersized and was an All-B1G performer and starter as a freshman. Son doesn't have the size issues as he's all of 6-6, 260 graduating high school.
Bet he sees the rotation at SDE. Wouldn't be surprised if he jumps Carlo Kemp.
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I heard that Hutchinson kid absolutely dominated that game Saturday.
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It's amazing to me the announced crowd for that game is over 41,000.
On a personal recruiting front, I did get a commitment (5 star) from a summertime nanny for our kids for this next summer. As a parent, that's one of the more critical matters to nail down asap. :93:
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WR Rondale Moore out of the Louisville area announced for Purdue during the Army All-American game.
Likely to be an instant impact player in the slot.
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I heard that Hutchinson kid absolutely dominated that game Saturday.
yeah he pretty much wrecked that East OL all game long. He was one of the best players in that game if not the best. Certainly in that discussion. Came in at 6'6, 266 pounds at the check ins too. He's pretty close physically to playing right away. If he was like 230 I'd say he probably redshirts, but he's got pretty good size right now to get in that rotation right away.
He's a guy that Greg Mattison identified very early on and made a huge priority. Mattison coached his dad Chris Hutchinson into an All-American way back in the day. Pops was a great player, but very undersized at maybe 6'1/6'2, 250. This kid has none of those physical limits. He's tall, big, long, and can move.
Really think he's got a great shot at jumping Carlo Kemp on that depth chart as back-up to Gary. Kemp was terrible- yet again- in his reserve role. Kemp was one of PFF's lowest graded defensive players on Michigan's defense in 2017.
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Avon (Conn.) Old Farms defensive end Casey Rogers tells 247Sports he has committed to Nebraska.
Nebraska's class grows to 16 with Rogers in the fold.
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Nebraska landed a big commitment on Thursday night when Miles Jones announced his verbal to the Huskers after hosting Scott Frost and other Nebraska assistants for an in-home visit.
Jones visited Nebraska the weekend before and came away smitten with the place on his visit. At the time of the trip Jones was committed to Vanderbilt, but he decommitted from the Commodores on Tuesday, leaving Nebraska left as the most likely school for his services.
The commitment gives Nebraska 17 in the class at this time and he’s the fourth commitment the Huskers have landed since Early Signing period and the third of players that visited Lincoln this past weekend.
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Nebraska added more Florida speed to its recruiting class on Thursday night, picking up a verbal pledge from Mirimar (Fla.) wide receiver Dominick Watt.
The 6-foot-1, 200-pound Watt announced his pledge on Twitter on Thursday night after being visited by Nebraska coaches.
Watt is a three-star wide receiver with an overall rating of 0.8871 according to the industry-generated 247Sports Composite.
He chose the Huskers without visiting campus, but is slated to officially visit on Feb. 2.
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Nebraska added another commitment on Sunday night, this time picking up three-star cornerback Braxton Clark, an Orlando native, who played at Dr. Phillips High School.
Clark picked up a Nebraska offer in December before the early signing period and at the time the cornerback was committed to Virginia Tech. The Hokies signed other defensive backs in the early period and Clark decommitted. He then visited Nebraska on an official visit last weekend.
The defender is the first pure cornerback in the 2018 class, a real position of need at this time for the Huskers.
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Buckeyes nab DT Tyler Friday, right out from under Michigan's nose.
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Buckeyes nab DT Tyler Friday, right out from under Michigan's nose.
Wow, he was running all blue the whole time
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Four-star safety Cam Jones, from Mansfield (Texas), chose Nebraska over Baylor and Ole Miss Saturday evening.
Jones visited Nebraska in December and followed up his official visit with an unofficial visit to Lincoln in January. Jones likes the coaching staff and the players on the current Husker roster.
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Wow, he was running all blue the whole time
Ohio State sold him a fantasy of playing DE, after they had been recruiting him mostly to play OL. Kid is DT all day, not tall enough, long enough, or quick enough to play DE.
Plus his HS coaches did nothing but trash talk Michigan and Partridge. Lot of bad blood and butthurt in that HS and in that football league in NJ over Partridge and his domination at Paramus Catholic.
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Buckeyes nab 3 star WR Chris Olave out of California
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The early signing day is a godsend for Michigan State's class in light of the Nassar fallout. 20 signees who otherwise would still only be commits, and getting heavily solicited for reconsideration by all the coaching staffs who'd previously offered scholarships.
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The early signing day is a godsend for Michigan State's class in light of the Nassar fallout. 20 signees who otherwise would still only be commits, and getting heavily solicited for reconsideration by all the coaching staffs who'd previously offered scholarships.
You can say that, but that's only true because of the timing of this. If the Nassar fallout was in March, those same signees would still have their LOI in place in early Feb, even though they could wait several months after that. Remember, signing "day" is only the start of a signing period. Normal signing period is early February until mid-April. It's only because we're used to most recruits signing on the first day of that period that we call it signing "day".
I wouldn't act as if this early signing period is a positive for MSU or a negative for those kids, because of the timing of something that was far outside the realm of normal recruiting decision-making. This is a black swan event, and it's silly to make too much of it.
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The early signing day is a godsend for Michigan State's class in light of the Nassar fallout. 20 signees who otherwise would still only be commits, and getting heavily solicited for reconsideration by all the coaching staffs who'd previously offered scholarships.
Nothing to say they won't be free agents in a few months, much like PSU's 2012 class, if the NCAA gets involved.
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MSU adds 3* WR Jalen Nailor from Vegas with offers from Nebraska, Wisconsin and Purdue plus a handful of Pac 12 schools. Seemed like a curious offer until we realized the coaches knew Rison and Jackson we're transferring
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As for the early signing day, I imagine NCAA intervention or not, there would be enough pressure that MSU would have to let them out if any kid wanted to.
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Looks like UW has one more spot left, for a defensive back only. One is in town this weekend, and it looks like a wild goose chase to me.
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yeah, I think he's a really good #2 QB. It's HARD to land two QB's in a class these days. Seems like every QB wants to be "THE GUY" in his class these days. Some even want to be THE guy in their class and the class before theirs.
Between Peters, McCaffrey, Milton, and Doyle they should be able to build some pretty nice depth at the position.
And as speculated, it's hard to get two good QBs in the same class. Doyle decommits, sounds like it'll be Arizona. Not a huge loss, he was more of a luxury recruit for UM
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And as speculated, it's hard to get two good QBs in the same class. Doyle decommits, sounds like it'll be Arizona. Not a huge loss, he was more of a luxury recruit for UM
He was asked to grayshirt about a week ago.
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Signing day Part Deux: Bucks looking at a couple guys, not sure if any more will sign
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3* DT Dashaun Mallory who has been trying to commit to MSU for months has still not been cleared by admissions, and will not sign today. Kind of weird to see a guy who hasn't even officially committed say he won't sign with MSU today, but it's clear admissions is the only hurdle. Unclear if he'll keep trying, or do JUCO for a year, or go elsewhere where he can get admitted.
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Signing day!
So what's the skinny on today's Big Ten story lines?
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Signing day!
So what's the skinny on today's Big Ten story lines?
Much toned down. I love how ESPN was trying to talk about what a bad thing this is.
No WWL, this is a good thing for the kids. It's bad for you that you don't get a full day in February (plus leadup) where you actually get viewers for this. Stop pretending it's about anything else.
As for MSU really only 3 things on the table.
1.) 3* DT Dashaun Mallory - as referenced above he'd already be green if he could get admitted. Not sure where he goes from here.
2.) 4* WR Tommy Bush - IIRC MSU was his first offer, but he's since blown up. He's one of the few doing the hat dance today. It's MSU, Texas, Georgia, Ole Miss and Baylor. For a 4* kid out of Texas, that's not a hat dance I feel great about.
3.) 3* DE Habakkuk Baldonado - kid from Rome. The one in Italy. He's at a prep school in Florida now, and it's MSU, Pitt or UCF. Nebraska offered too, but I think he said he wants to stay east since his family is still in Europe. My guess is UCF, as a kid in a foreign country, staying somewhere familiar.
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5 star tackle Nicholas Petite-Frere signs with the Bucks out of Florida
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5 star tackle Nicholas Petite-Frere signs with the Bucks out of Florida
Outback Bowl backfire
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Looks like UW has one more spot left, for a defensive back only. One is in town this weekend, and it looks like a wild goose chase to me.
Kid shows lots of offers, but I'm guessing many of them were not committable and I'm also guessing he got "processed" by Georgia...
Miami (Fla.) Northwestern defensive back Rachad Wildgoose Jr. (https://247sports.com/Player/Rachad-Wildgoose-Jr-46038370) chose UW on Wednesday over his other finalists UCF, Pittsburgh, and N.C. State. The three-star prospect had other offers from Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, and more.
Previously committed to Rutgers and most recently Georgia, Wildgoose took an official visit to Wisconsin last weekend. He was recruited to play safety by defensive coordinator Jim Leonhard (https://247sports.com/Player/Jim-Leonhard-76177).
Wildgoose gives the Badgers 20 commitments in their 2018 recruiting class.
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Baldonado chooses Pitt.
Looking like a bad late signing day across the state of Michigan.
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5 star tackle Nicholas Petite-Frere signs with the Bucks out of Florida
Must be nice to be able to pluck 5 STARZ out of mid air. Bastages.
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5 star tackle Nicholas Petite-Frere signs with the Bucks out of Florida
His last name is Little-Brother in French?
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His last name is Little-Brother in French?
How did we not get that guy?
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Baldonado chooses Pitt.
Looking like a bad late signing day across the state of Michigan.
And Tommy Bush to Georgia out of nowhere. We lose out to Texas or Baylor, I get it, he's a Texas kid. But Georgia just swooping in late and getting him. Ugh.
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And Tommy Bush to Georgia out of nowhere. We lose out to Texas or Baylor, I get it, he's a Texas kid. But Georgia just swooping in late and getting him. Ugh.
LOL, he would have been the #2 rated recruit in MSU's class (#196 overall), he's #17 in Georgia's.
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Nothing new there.
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Bucks also add 4 star DE Javonte Jean-Baptiste out of NJ. Going with the hyphenated names today
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One of the hat dances today was WR Jacob Copeland, who chose Florida, which caused his mom, sittingh next to him in a Bama sweatshirt and Tennessee hat to get up and walk away.
ESPN crootin coverage, now challenging TLC programming for most families broken up.
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That's rich...
.. and probably staged.
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That's rich...
.. and probably staged.
I don't know the kid looks and sounds legitimately upset. Heaven forbid these decisions are made not in front of a bunch of cameras
https://twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/status/961323447099027457
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Did he actually sign yet though?
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Nothing new there.
Yeah there is. Purdue isn't 14th!!!
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Bucks also add 4 star DE Javonte Jean-Baptiste out of NJ. Going with the hyphenated names today
He called UNL coaches and said he was committing. Snow delay at school meant someone at home talked him into OSU. He's not a fit for OSU's D. I'll be surprised if he ever plays.
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UNL is up to #22 in the 24/7 composite team rankings.
OSU is still #2
PSU #5
Michigan 21
Maryland #28 to round out the top 5 for the BIG (if you put a lot of stock into the rankings..)
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He called UNL coaches and said he was committing. Snow delay at school meant someone at home talked him into OSU. He's not a fit for OSU's D. I'll be surprised if he ever plays.
Tough for a new coach to break through the Urbs. But give Frost a year and he will win some battles.
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OSU didn't need him and probably won't use him. I'm shocked he didn't end up in Lincoln.
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UNL is up to #22 in the 24/7 composite team rankings.
OSU is still #2
PSU #5
Michigan 21
Maryland #28 to round out the top 5 for the BIG (if you put a lot of stock into the rankings..)
Rankings are bunk, but really really good players are better for your program than really really bad ones, so...
Texas finishes at #3 in the composite, now I hope we finally have a coaching staff that can do something with the incoming talent, but even more importantly, with what's already on hand.
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Nothing new there.
the gooophers don't usually finish 2nd in the west
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Tough for a new coach to break through the Urbs. But give Frost a year and he will win some battles.
I'm impressed with the work Frost did in his situation
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the gooophers don't usually finish 2nd in the west
They also don't normally sign 26 kids.
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Tough for a new coach to break through the Urbs. But give Frost a year and he will win some battles.
Urbs is one of the best when it comes to recruiting. I don't doubt or disagree with that statement. I think any UNL fan who is disappointed with Frost and his staff regarding recruiting this year is just looking to disagree or be upset.
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OSU didn't need him and probably won't use him. I'm shocked he didn't end up in Lincoln.
I could be wrong on JBB's potential at OSU, but I can't imagine OSU not signing at least 2 DE's next year that fit their system better. So even if he's a project and needs to grow into the position, I don't see future recruits behind JBB in terms of talent matching system design.
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https://athlonsports.com/college-football/national-signing-day-2018-winners-and-losers (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/national-signing-day-2018-winners-and-losers)
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Rankings are bunk, but really really good players are better for your program than really really bad ones, so...
Texas finishes at #3 in the composite, now I hope we finally have a coaching staff that can do something with the incoming talent, but even more importantly, with what's already on hand.
Subjective yes, but they have shown correlation to results for sure.
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obviously... based upon stars and perceptions. Nothing about development, fit in system, etc..
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/national-signing-day-2018-winners-and-losers (https://athlonsports.com/college-football/national-signing-day-2018-winners-and-losers)
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I'm impressed with the work Frost did in his situation
VERY impressive work by Frost.
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Nothing gets a recruiting bump like a helmet school making a splash hire.
Much was made about the hope vs. results quote a couple years ago, but I think it makes a lot of sense.
If you have been at a place, you have to sell results. Problem is, your results are what your results are. If you want to recruit like Alabama, you have to sell recruits that you are going to win like Alabama. If you've been there, you can't do that, because you haven't been winning like.
New hire at a helmet school isn't tied to a track record. As long as the prestige of the coach and the school is high, selling that hope that Notre Dame/Michigan/Nebraska/Texas, etc.. is BACK is time after time a foolproof recruiting pitch. You can sell, "yeah, we haven't been winning like Alabama, but we used to, and now that I'm here, we will again." You've got a couple years to translate that to results, or it wanes.
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New hire at a helmet school isn't tied to a track record. As long as the prestige of the coach and the school is high, selling that hope that Notre Dame/Michigan/Nebraska/Texas, etc.. is BACK is time after time a foolproof recruiting pitch. You can sell, "yeah, we haven't been winning like Alabama, but we used to, and now that I'm here, we will again." You've got a couple years to translate that to results, or it wanes.
So, what are you saying, really?
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So, what are you saying, really?
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Nothing more than I expected Frost to come out like gangbusters on the recruiting trail. Just like I expected Harbaugh to. Just like I expected Herman to. Nobody else is Bama right now, so nobody but Bama can sell results like that. But when you get a helmet school, that makes a perceived hoem run hire, they, at least for a couple years, can sell recruits that they might be on the verge of being Bama.
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So Nebraska will definitely be "back" before Michigan?
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you could be very correct about Frost using his momentum and "splash" for this first class
but, it didn't work that well for Bill Callahan, Bo Pelini, or Mike Riley
and none of them sold out the spring game
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you could be very correct about Frost using his momentum and "splash" for this first class
but, it didn't work that well for Bill Callahan, Bo Pelini, or Mike Riley
and none of them sold out the spring game
I didn't consider any of those splash hires. Just like UM with Hoke, or Tennessee with Pruitt. Or, in fairness Tressell with Ohio State. Splash or not splash doesn't necessarily mean ultimately good or bad.
I think the sold out spring game tells you how much more confidence the fan base (rightfully so) has in this hire compared to those.
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yup, and it's a bit silly
a year ago, no one thought Scott Frost was the next Tom Osborne
one good season at UCF and he's a superstar?
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Not much going on in Lincoln on Saturday's, or what.
Jeesh. 90K+ for a scrimmage?
Go to the Lake or something.
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Subjective yes, but they have shown correlation to results for sure.
Correlation is not the same as causation. It's also certainly possible that the types of coaches that bring in top recruiting classes are also the types of coaches that are simply good at coaching the game, hence the positive results. Or any number of other variables I don't care enough to discuss or explore.
But yeah, like I already said, I'd always rather get good player than bad players. And if a player gets offers from Alabama, Southern Cal, Oklahoma, and Ohio State, there's a decent chance he's going to succeed at those schools, or any other school he chooses to attend. Not because he has a certain number of stars next to his name, but because several successful programs with proven track records of talent evaluation have independently made the decision that he's worth an offer.
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I see Nebraska did a nice job with recruiting. Rivals has them #21. Rivals had Nebraska at #20 a year ago. It's difficult to hire a new staff, coach a New Years Day Bowl for another team, and recruit. I don't know how you do it.
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not much sleep for the new Husker staff
Frost said the offensive staff gets next week off, the defensive staff the following week and he is going to Orlando to spend time with his family for a while
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Maryland finished up their class full of 7th team B1G talent.
Long summer to wait for who will get injured for the season.
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Maryland finished up their class full of 7th team B1G talent.
Long summer to wait for who will get injured for the season.
Maryland seems to have done well in recruiting.
How are the 2017 QBs recovering? Will Maryland play a tight end at QB? Are there other injured personnel returning?
The Twerps get to play the Hawkeyes, who had 66 yards total offense against Wisconsin in 2017. If Maryland were not the Twerps, then the Hawkeyes Offense which was No. 116, would qualify as Twerps.
Anyway . . . if Maryland has a defense, they could probably stop Iowa. But, Iowa has a defense. Send some scouting material on the Twerp offense and defense from someone in the know.
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maybe it's my poor memory, but didn't the Hawkeyes start out this recruiting class like gangbusters? multiple 4 stars verballed? maybe even a 5 star?
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Correlation is not the same as causation. It's also certainly possible that the types of coaches that bring in top recruiting classes are also the types of coaches that are simply good at coaching the game, hence the positive results. Or any number of other variables I don't care enough to discuss or explore.
But yeah, like I already said, I'd always rather get good player than bad players. And if a player gets offers from Alabama, Southern Cal, Oklahoma, and Ohio State, there's a decent chance he's going to succeed at those schools, or any other school he chooses to attend. Not because he has a certain number of stars next to his name, but because several successful programs with proven track records of talent evaluation have independently made the decision that he's worth an offer.
Well, obviously the recruiter has to be able to coach as well. But if you're gunning for NC's, I'd rather have a lights out recruiter who is an above average coach than a world class coach who is an OK at recruiting.
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Maryland seems to have done well in recruiting.
How are the 2017 QBs recovering? Will Maryland play a tight end at QB? Are there other injured personnel returning?
The Twerps get to play the Hawkeyes, who had 66 yards total offense against Wisconsin in 2017. If Maryland were not the Twerps, then the Hawkeyes Offense which was No. 116, would qualify as Twerps.
Anyway . . . if Maryland has a defense, they could probably stop Iowa. But, Iowa has a defense. Send some scouting material on the Twerp offense and defense from someone in the know.
What in the actual F is this jibberish?
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Correlation is not the same as causation. It's also certainly possible that the types of coaches that bring in top recruiting classes are also the types of coaches that are simply good at coaching the game, hence the positive results. Or any number of other variables I don't care enough to discuss or explore.
I think they're two very distinct skills, and not necessarily correlated. I.e. being a good coach doesn't necessarily mean you're a good recruiter, and being a good recruiter doesn't mean you're a good coach. To be able to do both at an elite level [Saban] is rare.
Now, I agree with you that high recruiting classes don't "cause" program success. If you put me in charge of coaching Alabama's roster, I think Alabama would finish the year with a losing record. Because I have zero coaching experience and all the talent in the world wouldn't mask that.
Nor does coaching "cause" program success. If you put Nick Saban in charge of coaching UAB's roster, he's not reaching the CFP. He might have a winning record against G5 competition, but he'd have a losing record against P5 competition.
The two are related. Talent and coaching together win football games. I personally think coaching is more important than talent overall--as is often seen when a new coach takes over a blue-blood program with an elite roster and fails, or when a new coach [like Jeff Brohm] takes over a team with pretty mediocre talent and actually gets them to outperform. But talent matters, and recruiting rankings are an imperfect but valuable measure of talent.
The only thing I would state is while I don't think "ability to coach" and "ability to recruit" are correlated, I would say that recruiting rankings correlate with coaching talent, for one reason: success recruits itself. You can be a mediocre recruiter but if you can win football games, you don't have to "recruit" talent nearly as much as it comes to you. Winning football games makes the job of recruiting MUCH easier, but I would still say there's a lot of skill involved in recruiting on top of merely kids being attracted to program success.
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After UW won back-to-back Rose Bowls almost 20 years ago, King Barry and Co. swung for the fences and tried to land the upper-level kids. What he got was a bunch of plan B and plan C kids, and it showed.
2001: 5-7 (last bowl miss)
2002: 8-6
2003: 7-6
He got back to what "brought" him in 2001 and the results were:
2004: 9-3
2005: 10-3 (his final season)
2006: 12-1 (BB's first season)
Only now, almost 30 years since he took over and a long string of success this decade+, are "big time" recruits starting to pay attention when UW offers.
30 years. And UW is still not "there" yet. Getting very close, but not quite. Think about that.
The other thing is that there are only so many wins to go around in the conference. UW's success over the last 12-15 years coincides with Michigan not being Michigan. So, in the simplest sense, UW has been taking Michigan's wins. Thus, for another school to rise, one of two things needs to happen:
Someone else has to fall, or the bottom of the conference has to completely suck (the 0-2 conference wins kinda suck, and only winning against each other).
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To be fair to Michigan, some of the wins also come as a benefit of conference expansion/dilution. Not only do the teams play more games, but they play fewer against the conference beasts. Everyone hopes that the divisions are balanced, but right now they aren't--and rarely have been. There were a couple of years there--when Wisconsin was really, really good--the Legends and Leaders divisions were both really competitive, but since the east/west split it hasn't really been that way. That's allowed some great regular seasons without having to play the top teams. In the old days a team missed maybe one of the big kids. Now that same team might miss three.
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To be fair to Michigan, some of the wins also come as a benefit of conference expansion/dilution. Not only do the teams play more games, but they play fewer against the conference beasts. Everyone hopes that the divisions are balanced, but right now they aren't--and rarely have been. There were a couple of years there--when Wisconsin was really, really good--the Legends and Leaders divisions were both really competitive, but since the east/west split it hasn't really been that way. That's allowed some great regular seasons without having to play the top teams. In the old days a team missed maybe one of the big kids. Now that same team might miss three.
You make good points, but I was also thinking of the rise (after the brief "fall") from 2009-2011.
PSU was also down a lot of that time, but seems to be legitimately "back" under Franklin - at the expense of Michigan probably.
So if Michigan gets "back", where are the wins coming from? OSU, PSU or MSU? For the next 4 years their crossover is Wisconsin. They can certainly manage that given the talent they bring in (even still), but it's the toughest draw out of all the rest of the East schools - for now at least.
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The West, by the 247 average player rating:
1. Nebraska, 87.7
2. Wisconsin, 86.5
3. Minnesota, 86.2
4. Iowa, 85.6
5. Northwestern, 85.4
6. Purdue, 84.7
7. Illinois, 84.0
The East, by the 247 average player rating:
1. Ohio State, 94.3
2. Penn State, 91.7
3. Michigan, 88.8
4. Maryland, 87.1
5. Michigan State, 87.0
6. Indiana, 84.9
7. Rutgers, 84.4
Compared with the below, which includes the total number of players in the ranking basis.
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The East stays the same but the West gets shuffled as UW (20) and NU (18) had relatively small classes.
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Gophers don't usually end up 3rd in the west in average player rating
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https://www.cornnation.com/2018/2/9/16994746/national-signing-day-recruit-map-2018 (https://www.cornnation.com/2018/2/9/16994746/national-signing-day-recruit-map-2018)
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sorry, this one is just the B1G
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Rivals.com top 25 recruiters of 2018
Led by Rivals.com Recruiter of the Year Dell McGee, the list of the top 25 college football assistant coach recruiters of the 2018 class spans the country and includes staff members from each of the Power Five conferences.
After McGee, we list the coaches alphabetically.
https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/rivals-com-top-25-recruiters-of-2018 (https://nebraska.rivals.com/news/rivals-com-top-25-recruiters-of-2018)
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3* DT Dashaun Mallory who has been trying to commit to MSU for months has still not been cleared by admissions, and will not sign today. Kind of weird to see a guy who hasn't even officially committed say he won't sign with MSU today, but it's clear admissions is the only hurdle. Unclear if he'll keep trying, or do JUCO for a year, or go elsewhere where he can get admitted.
Sounded for a while like he might end up at Illinois, but apparently yesterday he was cleared at MSU, and he's signing today. He could certainly use a redshirt, but at a position of need, my guess is he sees the field this year.
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Sounded for a while like he might end up at Illinois, but apparently yesterday he was cleared at MSU, and he's signing today. He could certainly use a redshirt, but at a position of need, my guess is he sees the field this year.
If he was waiting on clearance, there was probably no shot for Illinois. They have really high admission standards down there - among the toughest in the conference for athletes.
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If he was waiting on clearance, there was probably no shot for Illinois. They have really high admission standards down there - among the toughest in the conference for athletes.
I think it had to do with a class counting, and having to retake it. MSU has always been really weird when it comes to that. As someone who transferred in, I can attest to that not being an athletics thing. They've missed out on transfers in the past. There was a JUCO OL maybe 5 years ago who easily cleared every academic requirement, but MSU didn't count two of his classes, so he wasn't admitted. He went to Purdue. He wasn't an academic risk at all. Hell, I transferred in from a different Big Ten university, and had all kind of hoops to what they would and wouldn't accept.
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I think it had to do with a class counting, and having to retake it. MSU has always been really weird when it comes to that. As someone who transferred in, I can attest to that not being an athletics thing. They've missed out on transfers in the past. There was a JUCO OL maybe 5 years ago who easily cleared every academic requirement, but MSU didn't count two of his classes, so he wasn't admitted. He went to Purdue. He wasn't an academic risk at all. Hell, I transferred in from a different Big Ten university, and had all kind of hoops to what they would and wouldn't accept.
Also, got the school wrong. Heh. Iowa State was the academic fall back.
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4* WR/S Bryan Addison, who signed with UCLA, but appeared as though he would not clear their admissions, has been granted a full release, and is now apparently down to Nebraska, Oregon and Arizona State. Would be a nice late add for Frost.
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How could he get into Nebraska if he couldn't get into UCLA?
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Big 8 school