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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on October 22, 2017, 06:59:33 AM
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1. Penn State (Beat Michigan 42-13, next week @OSU) A somewhat surprising and thorough asskicking on Michigan. That offense wasn't quite what we saw earlier this season, but it was what I was expecting coming into the season, as Penn State had an answer for everything UM tried. The defense started to look vulnerable, but buttoned it up at halftime and that was all she wrote. Sets up a tremendous matchup Saturday.
2. Ohio State (BYE, next week Penn State) A good week for a bye. Hopefully they watch how playing man against Penn State might not be the best strategy.
3. Wisconsin (Beat Maryland 38-13, next up @Illinois) Another humdrum Wisconsin game against an overmatched team. More of the same next week.
4. Michigan State (Beat Indiana 17-9, next @Northwestern) They can play some defense, which can win you some games. But boy that was not great looking offensively.
5. Michigan (Lost to Penn State 42-13, next week Rutgers) Welp, sometimes you get your ass kicked by a better team. The offense had some moments where they didn't look hopeless. Interesting to see if they change quarterbacks and prepare for next season.
6. Indiana (Lost to MSU 17-9, next week @Maryland) 0-4 in the conference, but you can't get closer to winning than they have the past couple weeks. Now they are favored to win - are they a legit team? We shall see.
7. Northwestern (Beat Iowa 17-10, next week MSU) A spunky performance from the spunky group.
8. Iowa (Lost to Northwestern 17-10, next week Minnesota) Dropped them for losing and because Indiana deserves a shoutout. Thi mushy middle is tough to rank.
9. Purdue (Lost to Rutgers 14-12, next week Nebraska) Don't sleep on Rutgers! Not a bad performance statistically, but it sounds like they don't trust the team to line up and run the ball with any consistency or to get tough yards. Which, hey, Purdue wasn't going to become really good in one season.
10. Minnesota (Beat Illinois 24-17, next week @Iowa) Somehow made Illinois look competitive
11. Nebraska (BYE, next week @Purdue) Time to see if the Cornhuskers have given up on the season
12. Rutgers (Beat Purdue 14-12, next week @Michigan) Can they slow down Michigan enough to go for three in a row?
13. Maryland (Lost to Wisconsin 38-13, next week Indiana) Not sure they are this bad, but not looking good on either side of the ball
14. Illinois (Lot to Minnesota 24-17, next week Wisconsin) Splat
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Spot on. Good ranking and analysis. Should be a great OSU v PSU matchup this week.
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1. PSU
2. Wisc
3. OSU
4. MSU
5. NW
6. Iowa
7. Mich
8. Indy
9. Neb
10. Pur
11. Minn
12. MD
13. Rut
14. ILL
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- Penn State - Impressive win over Michigan but the road gets tougher the next two weeks.
- Ohio State - We'll find out this weekend
- Wisconsin - We may not find out until December
- Michigan State - The first two Saturdays of November could be interesting
- Michigan - Is there that big of a gap between Michigan and the top three or just between Penn State and everybody else?
- Iowa - In spite of the OT loss.
- Indiana - In spite of being 0-4.
- Northwestern -
- Purdue - In spite of the surprise loss.
- Nebraska -
- Maryland -
- Rutgers - In spite of the surprise win, this is just as high as I feel comfortable going with Rutgers
- Minnesota - ouch
- Illinois - ouch
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Penn St - Playing at an elite level
Wisconsin - They are gonna run the table
Michigan St - Notre Dame loss is officially better than OSU's Oklahoma loss
Ohio St - Have a chance to move up this week
Michigan - $12 million a year, and they are tied for 4th/5th place in the East Division. With Rutgers.
Northwestern - Parking them ahead of Iowa this week
Iowa - Probably still better than Michigan, but lost to Northwestern
Indiana - Pretty solid team, but can't finish games
Maryland - Major QB injury issues on an otherwise solid team
Nebraska - Might win three of the last four after a rough start. But probably not.
Rutgers - They get to be parked ahead of Purdue for one week
Purdue - That was bad. Really bad. But they are obviously a better team this year
Minnesota - The oars have capsized, and the geese have had their wings clipped
Illinois - Can't believe Lovie Smith is still struggling so much
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1. Penn State - They proved themselves last night. Next weekend looms large.
2. Wisconsin - They've basically won the West Division. The only question is if they'll get to Indy undefeated.
3. Ohio State - Next weekend we find out how good they are.
4. Michigan State - They'll probably get blown out by PSU and OSU but they're winning ugly against everyone else.
5. Michigan - Only this high by default. I'm hoping they put Peters in next weekend even if he's actually worse.
6. Indiana - They play the good teams tough but still lose. We'll see if they can beat the teams below.
7. Northwestern - Won an ugly game.
8. Iowa - I expect no less than to see the Hawkeyes play down to their competition.
9. Maryland - The Texas win and no bad losses keeps them this high.
10. Nebraska - Better than the rest....
11. Rutgers - Give them credit for winning games that they can win, even though they probably have the worst team in the league.
12. Purdue - I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that they lost to Rutgers in retrospect, but I thought they were better.
13. Minnesota - I had some hope for them after the 3-0 start, but struggling to beat Illinois is pretty bad.
14. Illinois - Only team without a conference win.
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- Michigan - Is there that big of a gap between Michigan and the top three or just between Penn State and everybody else?
Maybe its time to stop worrying about wherher Mich is in the top 4, and whether it evens deserves to be in the top 5.
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Maybe its time to stop worrying about wherher Mich is in the top 4, and whether it evens deserves to be in the top 5.
I considered that, but who would you move up? From my list:
- #6 Iowa - just lost to NU.
- #7 Indiana - lost H2H to Michigan.
- #8 Northwestern - looked horrible early, still not great.
- #9 Purdue - just lost to Rutgers.
- #10 Nebraska - looking terrible.
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You are way too kind Brutus.
I'm looking at basketball sets already with the roster we have.
I'll be surprised if we beat Rutgers.
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
PSU
All guaranteed losses.
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1a. Penn State
1b. Ohio State
3. Wisconsin
4. Michigan State
5. Northwestern
6. Iowa
7. Michigan
8. Indiana
9. Minnesota
10. Maryland
11. Nebraska
12. Rutgers
13. Purdue
14. Illinois
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1) Penn State
2) Ohio State
3) Wisconsin
4) Michigan State
5) Michigan
6) Northwestern
7) Indiana
8) Maryland
9) Minnesota
10) Purdue
11) Nebraska
12) Iowa
13) Rutgers
14) Illinois
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I considered that, but who would you move up? From my list:
- #6 Iowa - just lost to NU.
- #7 Indiana - lost H2H to Michigan.
- #8 Northwestern - looked horrible early, still not great.
- #9 Purdue - just lost to Rutgers.
- #10 Nebraska - looking terrible.
Agree there are not any good choices, but Mich is also not a good choice either. Mich needed OT to beat Indy and got blown out by PSU. Early victories over Florida and Purdue don't look so great now.
A case can be made for both NW and Iowa. Agree NW looked awful early, but its only 2 conference losses were to PSU and Wisc.
Iowa's early OT win against Iowa State is looking better every week. They have close losses to PSU, MSU, and NW. But in the end, Iowa is just 1-3 in conference.
So those are not the strongest arguments, but that's the group that Mich belongs in, when discussing power rankings. NW/Iowa/Mich are in the same group.
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- Penn State
- Ohio State
- Wisconsin
- Michigan State
- Northwestern
- Iowa
- Michigan
- Purdue
- Indiana
- Nebraska
- Maryland
- Minnesota
- Rutgers
- Illinois
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1a. Penn State
1b. Ohio State
3. Wisconsin
4. Michigan State
5. Michigan
6. Northwestern
7. Iowa
8. Indiana
9. Minnesota
10. Maryland
11. Nebraska
12. Rutgers
13. Purdue
14. Illinois
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Agree there are not any good choices, but Mich is also not a good choice either. Mich needed OT to beat Indy and got blown out by PSU. Early victories over Florida and Purdue don't look so great now.
A case can be made for both NW and Iowa. Agree NW looked awful early, but its only 2 conference losses were to PSU and Wisc.
Iowa's early OT win against Iowa State is looking better every week. They have close losses to PSU, MSU, and NW. But in the end, Iowa is just 1-3 in conference.
So those are not the strongest arguments, but that's the group that Mich belongs in, when discussing power rankings. NW/Iowa/Mich are in the same group.
Iowa and Indiana are the two I am taking something of a wait-and-see attitude toward. Indiana is 0-4 but, per my list, they have lost to four of the best five teams in the league. We'll see how they do with Maryland this week. Thus, within this group, I'm not sure that "needed OT to beat Indy" is that bad. Iowa, as you said, has been competitive in all of their losses. Losing close to PSU is fine but I'm not so sure about the other two.
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I think one of the hardest things about these rankings right now is where to put Wisconsin relative to the top-3 in the B1G-E. While PSU and MSU have each played both Iowa and Michigan, the Badgers and Buckeyes haven't played any decent teams in the conference yet. The best team played by either Wisconsin or Ohio State is probably Maryland or one of the Indiana schools. For now I have Penn State at #1 and Michigan State at #4 because I think those two have looked the most and least impressive of the four. I think that Ohio State and Wisconsin fall in between.
FWIW: By the end of the season Wisconsin will have six common opponents with each of the Buckeyes, Nittany Lions, and Spartans but right now they only have two with tOSU, one with PSU, and none with MSU.
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1) Ohio St
2) Penn State
3) Wisconsin
4) Michigan State
5) Michigan
6) Northwestern
7) Indiana
8) Iowa
9) Nebraska
10) Purdue
11) Minnesooota
12) Maryland
13) Rutgers
14) Illinois
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I know everyone's throwing Purdue under the bus as a terrible team, but I think that there might be some overreaction to the loss to Rutgers.
Below stats. Italics = bad.
Purdue:
Offensive Yards: 474
Offensive Plays Run: 85
Yards per carry: 6.8
Yards per play: 5.58
Players logging a rush with ypc average below 5: 0
First downs: 25
3rd down conversion: 3 of 15
4th down conversion: 1 of 4
Turnovers: 2
Rutgers:
Offensive Yards: 217
Offensive Yards on 2 scoring plays: 109
Offensive Yards on 53 non-scoring plays: 108
Offensive yards per play on non-scoring plays: 2.03
First downs: 8
3rd down conversion: 3 of 15
Turnovers: 0
In all honesty, Purdue dominated Rutgers on Saturday.
Rutgers had two big plays that went for 14 points, but otherwise was completely bottled up.
Purdue had its way with Rutgers' defense, driving on them with huge 1st and 2nd down plays to move the chains, but failed to finish drives in Rutgers territory with poor 3rd down percentage.
And much of what Purdue did was get in its own way, with receivers dropping balls and with questionable playcalling in crucial situations (like QB sneak on 4th and 2 or going empty backfield on 4th and 1 when they were ripping of 6.8 ypc).
So I know many of you are dropping Purdue back down to the B1G cellar, but they played a FAR better game than the final score showed.
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I'm looking forward to the Purdue game Saturday night
Huskers needed the week off to get settled
Purdue will come out determined after the loss to Rutgers
may the better team win!
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Agree there are not any good choices, but Mich is also not a good choice either. Mich needed OT to beat Indy and got blown out by PSU. Early victories over Florida and Purdue don't look so great now.
A case can be made for both NW and Iowa. Agree NW looked awful early, but its only 2 conference losses were to PSU and Wisc.
Iowa's early OT win against Iowa State is looking better every week. They have close losses to PSU, MSU, and NW. But in the end, Iowa is just 1-3 in conference.
So those are not the strongest arguments, but that's the group that Mich belongs in, when discussing power rankings. NW/Iowa/Mich are in the same group.
I think Indiana should be in this discussion. Here are #5 - #8 per the votes cast so far:
| Rank | . | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | . | Rank |
| . | Team | M | NU | Iowa | IU | Team | . |
| 1 | PSU | L by 29, A | L by 24, H | L by 2, H | L by 31, A | PSU | 1 |
| 2 | tOSU | 11/25, H | miss | 11/4, H | L by 28, H | tOSU | 2 |
| 3 | UW | 11/18, A | L by 9, A | 11/11, A | 11/4, H | UW | 3 |
| 4 | MSU | L by 4, H | 10/28, H | L by 7, A | L by 8, A | MSU | 4 |
| 5 | M | n/a | miss | miss | L in OT, H | M | 5 |
| 6 | NU | miss | n/a | L in OT, A | miss | NU | 6 |
| 7 | Iowa | miss | W in OT, H | n/a | miss | Iowa | 7 |
| 8 | IU | W in OT, A | miss | miss | n/a | IU | 8 |
| 9 | MD | 11/11, A | W by 16, A | miss | 10/28, A | MD | 9 |
| 10 | UNL | miss | 11/4, A | 11/24, A | miss | UNL | 10 |
| 11 | PU | W by 18, A | 11/11, H | 11/18, H | 11/25, A | PU | 11 |
| 12 | MN | 11/4, H | 11/18, H | 10/28, H | miss | MN | 12 |
| 13 | RU | 10/28, H | miss | miss | 11/18, H | RU | 13 |
| 14 | ILL | miss | 11/25, A | W by 29, H | 11/11, A | ILL | 14 |
| . | Team | M | NU | Iowa | IU | Team | . |
| Rank | . | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | . | Rank |
They all played PSU and Iowa did a LOT better than the others but that is just one game. Three of the four have played MSU and they all lost by one score. We'll see what happens with NU/MSU this weekend. Within the group Indiana and Iowa lost in OT to Michigan and Northwestern respectively. In games against teams ranked below #8, these four are perfect but there isn't much information there.
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I know everyone's throwing Purdue under the bus as a terrible team, but I think that there might be some overreaction to the loss to Rutgers.
I don't think it is just the loss to Rutgers that is hurting Purdue in this week's rankings. Upsets are a part of the game and we all understand that but Purdue's not-terribly-competitive loss to Michigan also took a hit this weekend. I think we'll learn a lot about Purdue over the next three weeks. They have Nebraska this weekend, then Illinois, then Northwestern. Currently those teams are ranked #10, #14, and #6 while Purdue checks in at #11.
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I don't think it is just the loss to Rutgers that is hurting Purdue in this week's rankings. Upsets are a part of the game and we all understand that but Purdue's not-terribly-competitive loss to Michigan also took a hit this weekend. I think we'll learn a lot about Purdue over the next three weeks. They have Nebraska this weekend, then Illinois, then Northwestern. Currently those teams are ranked #10, #14, and #6 while Purdue checks in at #11.
Agreed. I just think the people dropping Purdue to 12th/13th in the power ranking after the loss to Rutgers are overreacting. "You just lost to freakin' Rutgers!" is an easy reason to drop someone, but nobody outside of Purdue or Rutgers fans watched that game or probably realized that Purdue statistically dominated the game.
Clearly we're not ~7th, as some people were placing Purdue that high after the Michigan loss / Minnesota win. I think 9th/10th/11th is probably around fair. While we only lost 17-9 against Wisconsin, they dominated the game, and as you point out, Michigan is looking worse than we thought, and Minnesota is 1-3 in conference with only a win over Illinois, so it's not like that was a huge scalp to get.
But based on what I've seen so far, I think Minnesota, Rutgers, and Illinois are clearly worse teams than Purdue. I think we're in the next tier up, where Maryland and Iowa are...
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Next week I think that pretty much everyone will rank the tOSU/PSU winner #1.
I'll go on record right now saying that I will rank the loser #2.
I think the reasonable contenders for #2 are the tOSU/PSU loser, Wisconsin, and MSU. So to compare:
Assuming Penn State wins:
- Ohio State and Wisconsin have two common opponents (UNL and UMD) and Ohio State did much better against both.
- Ohio State and Michigan State have one common opponent (IU) and Ohio State did much better against them.
Assuming Ohio State wins:
- Penn State and Wisconsin have one common opponent (NU) and Penn State did much better against them.
- Penn State and Michigan State will have four common opponents (M, NU, IA, and IU). Penn State did much better against Michigan and Indiana and about the same against Iowa.
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Next week I think that pretty much everyone will rank the tOSU/PSU winner #1.
I'll go on record right now saying that I will rank the loser #2.
I think the reasonable contenders for #2 are the tOSU/PSU loser, Wisconsin, and MSU. So to compare:
Assuming Penn State wins:
- Ohio State and Wisconsin have two common opponents (UNL and UMD) and Ohio State did much better against both.
- Ohio State and Michigan State have one common opponent (IU) and Ohio State did much better against them.
Assuming Ohio State wins:
- Penn State and Wisconsin have one common opponent (NU) and Penn State did much better against them.
- Penn State and Michigan State will have four common opponents (M, NU, IA, and IU). Penn State did much better against Michigan and Indiana and about the same against Iowa.
Things may change by Saturday night, but the way I feel right now, if OSU beats PSU in a close game, and Wisc dominates its game as expected, I will probably vote Wisc #1.
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if PSU dominates OSU like they did Michigan, I'll vote Wisconsin #2
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If Rutgers beats Michigan the way that Georgia Tech beat Cumberland...
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Then watch out for flying pigs?
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Things may change by Saturday night, but the way I feel right now, if OSU beats PSU in a close game, and Wisc dominates its game as expected, I will probably vote Wisc #1.
I just don't see any justification for this. After this weekend, Ohio State will have played:
- Oklahoma
- Penn State
- A bunch of crap
While Wisconsin will have played:
No matter what happens with tOSU/PSU, the only thing comparable between Ohio State and Wisconsin is the crap and Ohio State has handled their crap better than Wisconsin.
if PSU dominates OSU like they did Michigan, I'll vote Wisconsin #2
I could see that happening. As I said upthread, I am not yet confident in Ohio State's offense. However, I haven't yet seen anything out of Wisconsin to make me think they are any better. Even with two blowout losses, Ohio State still would look better to me simply because Wisconsin's schedule has been so bad.
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There are only 10 voters but here are the rankings:
| Team/Poster | AVG | Rank | StdDev | Best | Worst | Range |
| PSU | 1.10 | 1 | 0.32 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| tOSU | 2.30 | 2 | 0.82 | 1 | 4 | 3 |
| UW | 2.70 | 3 | 0.48 | 2 | 3 | 1 |
| MSU | 3.90 | 4 | 0.32 | 3 | 4 | 1 |
| M | 5.60 | 5 | 0.97 | 5 | 7 | 2 |
| NU | 6.10 | 6 | 0.99 | 5 | 8 | 3 |
| Iowa | 7.40 | 7 | 1.84 | 6 | 12 | 6 |
| IU | 7.40 | 8 | 0.97 | 6 | 9 | 3 |
| UNL | 10.20 | 10 | 0.79 | 9 | 11 | 2 |
| MD | 10.50 | 9 | 1.58 | 8 | 13 | 5 |
| PU | 10.60 | 11 | 1.78 | 8 | 13 | 5 |
| MN | 11.00 | 12 | 1.70 | 9 | 13 | 4 |
| RU | 12.20 | 13 | 0.79 | 11 | 13 | 2 |
| ILL | 14.00 | 14 | - | 14 | 14 | 0 |
And here is the schedule/performance chart:
| Rank | . | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | . | Rank |
| . | Team | PSU | tOSU | UW | MSU | M | NU | Iowa | IU | UNL | MD | PU | MN | RU | ILL | Team | . |
| 1 | PSU | n/a | 10/28, H | miss | 11/4, H | L by 29, A | L by 24, H | L by 2, H | L by 31, A | 11/18, A | 11/25, H | miss | miss | 11/11, A | miss | PSU | 1 |
| 2 | tOSU | 10/28, A | n/a | miss | 11/11, A | 11/25, H | miss | 11/4, H | L by 28, H | L by 42, H | L by 48, A | miss | miss | L by 56, H | 11/18, A | tOSU | 2 |
| 3 | UW | miss | miss | n/a | miss | 11/18, A | L by 9, A | 11/11, A | 11/4, H | L by 21, H | L by 25, A | L by 8, A | 11/25, H | miss | 10/28, H | UW | 3 |
| 4 | MSU | 11/4, A | 11/11, H | miss | n/a | L by 4, H | 10/28, H | L by 7, A | L by 8, A | miss | 11/18, A | miss | L by 3, H | 11/25, H | miss | MSU | 4 |
| 5 | M | W by 29, H | 11/25, A | 11/18, H | W by 4, A | n/a | miss | miss | L in OT, H | miss | 11/11, H | L by 18, H | 11/4, A | 10/28, A | miss | M | 5 |
| 6 | NU | W by 24, A | miss | W by 9, H | 10/28, A | miss | n/a | L in OT, A | miss | 11/4, H | L by 16, H | 11/11, A | 11/18, A | miss | 11/25, H | NU | 6 |
| 7 | Iowa | W by 2, A | 11/4, A | 11/11, H | W by 7, H | miss | W in OT, H | n/a | miss | 11/24, H | miss | 11/18, A | 10/28, A | miss | L by 29, A | Iowa | 7 |
| 8 | IU | W by 31, H | W by 28, A | 11/4, A | W by 8, H | W in OT, A | miss | miss | n/a | miss | 10/28, H | 11/25, H | miss | 11/18, A | 11/11, H | IU | 8 |
| 9 | UNL | 11/18, H | W by 42, A | W by 21, A | miss | miss | 11/4, A | 11/24, A | miss | n/a | miss | 10/28, H | 11/11, H | L by 10, A | L by 22, H | UNL | 9 |
| 10 | MD | 11/25, A | W by 48, H | W by 25, H | 11/18, H | 11/11, A | W by 16, A | miss | 10/28, A | miss | n/a | miss | L by 7, H | 11/4, H | miss | MD | 10 |
| 11 | PU | miss | miss | W by 8, H | miss | W by 18, A | 11/11, H | 11/18, H | 11/25, A | 10/28, A | miss | n/a | L by 14, A | W by 2, H | 11/4, A | PU | 11 |
| 12 | MN | miss | miss | 11/25, A | W by 3, A | 11/4, H | 11/18, H | 10/28, H | miss | 11/11, A | W by 7, A | W by 14, H | n/a | miss | L by 7, A | MN | 12 |
| 13 | RU | 11/11, H | W by 56, A | miss | 11/25, A | 10/28, H | miss | miss | 11/18, H | W by 10, H | 11/4, H | L by 2, A | miss | n/a | L by 11, H | RU | 13 |
| 14 | ILL | miss | 11/18, H | 10/28, A | miss | miss | 11/25, A | W by 29, H | 11/11, A | W by 22, A | miss | 11/4, H | W by 7, H | W by 11, A | n/a | ILL | 14 |
| . | Team | PSU | tOSU | UW | MSU | M | NU | Iowa | IU | UNL | MD | PU | MN | RU | ILL | Team | . |
| Rank | . | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | . | Rank |
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Last week in parenthesis
1. PENN STATE (2) - back up top in a BIG way, tough for me to make a case for anyone else to be #1 right now
2. WISCONSIN (1) - with Michigan sinking and the West plummeting, that schedule keeps looking easier and easier
3. OHIO STATE (3) - time to prove they put Oklahoma behind them, and can do more than pound inferior teams
4. MICHIGAN STATE (4) - maybe the easiest team to rank right now, and I think the gap between them and #3 is WIDE
5. MICHIGAN (5) - who behind them has made ANY sort of case for top 5?
6. INDIANA (8) - from a hard luck 0-3 to a hard luck 0-4
7. NORTHWESTERN (9) - maybe starting to turn a corner? Big chance to prove it this weekend
8. IOWA (6) - on the upside, that close Iowa State win is looking a lot better
9. PURDUE (7) - put #9-13 in a hat, and you'd be hard pressed to argue against it, so I just kept them in the same order
10. MARYLAND (10) - see above
11. MINNESOTA (11) - see above
12. NEBRASKA (12) - see above
13. RUTGERS (13) - see above
14. ILLINOIS (14) - only slot in the bottom 6 I feel mildly confident in
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No matter what happens with tOSU/PSU, the only thing comparable between Ohio State and Wisconsin is the crap and Ohio State has handled their crap better than Wisconsin. I could see that happening. As I said upthread, I am not yet confident in Ohio State's offense. However, I haven't yet seen anything out of Wisconsin to make me think they are any better. Even with two blowout losses, Ohio State still would look better to me simply because Wisconsin's schedule has been so bad.
see, even if the Badgers haven't done anything impressive vs their less than impressive schedule, the lack of losses may cause me to put the Badgers at #2
hopefully, the Badgers don't play down to Illinois
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FWIW:
ELA's vote moves IU up to #7 and Iowa down to #8.
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Hawks vs Hoosiers would be a good matchup
too bad it won't happen this season
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Week 8 composite computer rankings (101 computers - last week in parentheses)
1. Alabama (1)
2. PENN STATE (2)
3. Georgia (3)
4. Notre Dame (9)
5. Clemson (5)
6. TCU (4)
7. OHIO STATE (6)
8. WISCONSIN (8)
9. Miami (7)
10. Central Florida (11)
11. Oklahoma State (12)
12. Washington (13)
13. Oklahoma (15)
14. Virginia Tech (19)
15. NC State (17)
16. MICHIGAN STATE (18)
17. Washington State (20)
18. USC (10)
19. Stanford (16)
20. Auburn (21)
21. MICHIGAN (14)
22. South Florida (23)
23. Mississippi State (-)
24. LSU (-)
25. Iowa State (-)
29. Iowa (22)
39. Northwestern (54)
55. Indiana (47)
60. Purdue (49)
62. Minnesota (63)
63. Maryland (62)
70. Nebraska (73)
85. Rutgers (100)
106. Illinois (105)
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Week 8 composite computer rankings (101 computers - last week in parentheses)
2. PENN STATE (2)
7. OHIO STATE (6)
8. WISCONSIN (8)
16. MICHIGAN STATE (18)
21. MICHIGAN (14)
29. Iowa (22)
39. Northwestern (54)
55. Indiana (47)
60. Purdue (49)
62. Minnesota (63)
63. Maryland (62)
70. Nebraska (73)
85. Rutgers (100)
106. Illinois (105)
This largely matches our rankings. There are only a few exceptions:
- We have NU/IA as #6/7, this has those reversed.
- We have PU at #11, this has them at #9
- We have MN at #12, this has them at #10
- We have MD at #10, this has them at #11
- We have UNL at #9, this has them at #12
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S+P
1. Ohio state (1)
2. Penn State (3)
3. Wisconsin (7)
4. Michigan State (20)
5. Michigan (27)
6. Iowa (45)
7. Purdue (48)
8. Indiana (52)
9. Minnesota (62)
10. Northwestern (69)
11. Nebraska (73)
12. Rutgers (82)
13. Maryland (93)
14. Illinois (106)
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Wisconsin - We may not find out until December
if you find out before december, the answer is no.
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Can Wisconsin even overcome their soft schedule?
BYU was their "big" non-Conference game.
The Cougs are 1-7, with the lone win a 14 point victory over winless Portland State (FCS-Big Sky Conference).
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Can Wisconsin even overcome their soft schedule?
BYU was their "big" non-Conference game.
The Cougs are 1-7, with the lone win a 14 point victory over winless Portland State (FCS-Big Sky Conference).
They can, but the soft schedule leaves them no margin for error. I think that a 1-loss Wisconsin would be extremely unlikely to get to the CFP even with a B1G Championship.
The Badgers have exactly zero currently ranked teams on their regular season schedule. A B1G Championship would require a B1GCG win over a highly ranked team but for the Badgers to nonetheless finish with one loss they would have to lose to a relatively unimpressive opponent and they would still finish with only one win over a ranked team. By comparison, if Penn State wins the B1G with one loss they'll have either three wins over ranked teams and a loss to an unranked or be 2-1 against ranked teams and PSU's schedule isn't great.
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unlikely, not extremely unlikely
if the Badgers with one close loss to the Hoosiers, Hawkeyes, or Wolverines beat soundly an undefeated top 3 ranked Penn St team in Indy, it will be tough to keep the Badgers out
unless of course there are 3 or 4 undefeated squads
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If Wisconsin wins out I believe they are in.
The only wrinkle is that ND is doing so well they may bump a conference champ out.
But for Wisconsin to win out the 2 teams ahead of them in the B1G east will have to lose. that gets UW to a minimum of 6th.
And they will have at least 3 teams in front of them with a loss already ('bama/Georgia loser, ND and Clemson.) Hard in voters eyes to keep an undefeated team out.
And don't forget there is always chaos (upsets), UW will be just fine if they keep winning.
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If Wisconsin wins out I believe they are in.
The only wrinkle is that ND is doing so well they may bump a conference champ out.
But for Wisconsin to win out the 2 teams ahead of them in the B1G east will have to lose. that gets UW to a minimum of 6th.
And they will have at least 3 teams in front of them with a loss already ('bama/Georgia loser, ND and Clemson.) Hard in voters eyes to keep an undefeated team out.
And don't forget there is always chaos (upsets), UW will be just fine if they keep winning.
I don't think anyone doubts that a 13-0 B1G Champion Wisconsin would get in. The maximum number of undefeated P5 Champions is:
- #1 Bama or #3 UGA, SEC
- #2 PSU or #5 Wisconsin, B1G
- #4 TCU, B12
- #8 Miami, ACC
I don't think that is in question. The question is whether or not they could get in with one loss. I doubt it and said that I thought it was extremely unlikely. Fearless mildly disagreed and said that it was unlikely but not extremely unlikely.
unlikely, not extremely unlikely
if the Badgers with one close loss to the Hoosiers, Hawkeyes, or Wolverines beat soundly an undefeated top 3 ranked Penn St team in Indy, it will be tough to keep the Badgers out
unless of course there are 3 or 4 undefeated squads
First, if Wisconsin wins the B1G with one loss then there can only be a maximum of three undefeated P5 teams:
- SEC Champion Bama or Georgia
- B12 Champion TCU
- ACC Champion Miami
I still think, however, that Wisconsin getting in with a loss is extremely unlikely because their schedule is crap. In addition to obviously being behind all three potential undefeated P5 Champions, I think that they would also be behind all of the following potential 1-loss teams:
- A 1-loss SEC Champion (either Bama or Georgia)
- A 1-loss ACC Champion Clemson, NCST, VaTech, or Miami
- A 1-loss Notre Dame
- A 1-loss B12 Champion TCU, OU, or OkSU
Finally, I think it would be a toss-up between a hypothetical 1-loss B1G Champion Wisconsin and a hypothetical 1-loss PAC Champion Washington or WSU because the two Washington Schools played similarly unimpressive OOC slates.
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What in the heck is going on in Provo? Was Bronco Mendenhall that great of a coach?
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It would appear as though The Y has whiffed on their most recent coaching hire.