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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: utee94 on September 16, 2019, 12:20:14 PM
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Big Matt always liked talking about this game, and of course Bedlam. He loved to give us hell when the Pokes would pull one out over the arrogant, wealthy Texicans.
I don't want to see Texas lose, but I'll be ok if the Pokes give Texas a game, for Big Matt's sake. And I thoroughly expect they will.
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Im very concerned about this game
Even though the Vegas line favors the Horns by 6.5, I dont buy that
We better come out with a much better pass def or we're toast
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oSu is a game about composure. There's no reason why, over 60 minutes, Texas shouldn't be the better team.
However, the Cowboys have offensive weapons. Hubbard and Wallace are going to land some big punches. The danger, though, is that the Texas defense gets all steamed up about it, and starts to play on tilt. They overpursue. Run themselves out of plays. Try to jump routes and anticipate. When that happens, all the other weapons on the field go unaccounted for, and a shootout ensues (or butt-kicking).
Texas used to regularly get behind the Cowboys by 3+ TDs. Rather than panic, they'd just go out and wait for the inevitable turning of the tide. They expected it and it came. Winners become mentally tough - which leads to more wins.
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oSu is a game about composure. There's no reason why, over 60 minutes, Texas shouldn't be the better team.
However, the Cowboys have offensive weapons. Hubbard and Wallace are going to land some big punches. The danger, though, is that the Texas defense gets all steamed up about it, and starts to play on tilt. They overpursue. Run themselves out of plays. Try to jump routes and anticipate. When that happens, all the other weapons on the field go unaccounted for, and a shootout ensues (or butt-kicking).
Texas used to regularly get behind the Cowboys by 3+ TDs. Rather than panic, they'd just go out and wait for the inevitable turning of the tide. They expected it and it came. Winners become mentally tough - which leads to more wins.
well if we had VY at QB we could maybe do that but Im not sure this team can
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I'm concerned about all of them except Texas Tech and Kansas. (for now...)
I would like to see more run game from us - keeping Ok State offense off the field.
Our 3rd string QB is the best RB we have to this point, he seems to have the best vision and the best ability to escape tackles.
Daniel Young has always shown promise (for me) and I would hope that he can get more reps and show some prowess.
I was high on Ingram but he hasn't really come alive this year. I'm not sure the weight gain was good for him - he doesn't really display any additional strength, and his speed and shiftiness may have been compromised. I'm sure he was advised to put on some beef, I just don't know if it was the right move for his potential as a runner. He seems to have lost a half step. He really doesn't show a whole lot in terms of vision anyway, the seas need to part in order for him to gain yards.
Perhaps we should come out gunning just to get the Pokes defense to loosen up. After that, pounding the rock seems our best bet.
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Ingram has been playing dinged up for most of this season thus far. He got into his own head after the LSU drop because he's still just a true sophomore and isn't experienced with self-doubt yet. I believe he knows better now. Having said that, Ro-Jo might be a QB or not, but he's definitely a football player. He runs like he's personally offended by people trying to tackle him!
Our offense comes to the field ready to do anything on every play. We don't try to "establish" anything other that what's dictated by defensive alignment. If the defense aligns to our receivers, we run. When they become box heavy, we throw.
The difference this season is that our OL can now win even strength (or better) battles. Before, an opposing DL could effectively stymie our running game at the source. When that happens, there's no need to commit extra players. The rest just crowd the passing lanes or rush. This season, our OL not only can win their assigned man, but then they proceed to 2nd and 3rd levels - picking off LBs and DBs. The results are big decisions to be made for opposing DCs.
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The difference this season is that our OL can now win even strength (or better) battles.
We have indicators that tend to support this. But this weekend vs. Ok State should be the proof in the pudding. If our OL is truly at the next level, the Pokes should not be a problem. Their DL is not bad, but not great, and will be a fair test.
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Definitely want to see a more productive running game, but it's been tough to risk it with only one (sort of) healthy back all year. Sure hope we don't end up snakebit there.
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Several names on LSU's DL keep getting mentioned in draft lists. Watching Sam Cosmi and Parker Braun throw them to the ground was, frankly, refreshing. As a Texas fan, the sight of two pulling OL hunting down defenders on a screen or toss sweep was shocking. I was beginning to think that the OT's job was to sprint straight out of bounds, while the OG jogged over to help the RB get up after being blasted by a DB.
Turns out, they can be integral parts of the "extended run" game!
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Yeah, the o-line did a nice job of handling some NFL-type talent for a large percentage of the game. Would love to see more push in the power run game, but pass protection was very good for most of the night.
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Rice could not stop both phases of the Texas offense. They're not a horrid defense, but they just can't commit the players both ways. They chose to fortify the run stop - which is the right choice. Running is preferable to passing, since passing requires more coordination and higher chance of self inflicted mistakes.
To be consistently dangerous, Texas had to be able to threaten both on a given play. Obviously, this balance easily overwhelmed Rice's ability to counter. Recall last season when an inability to switch focus to passing allowed even outclassed defenses to pack the LOS and bog down the Texas offense.
We learned little about Texas' power, but paradoxically in doing so learned a lot. Too often in years' past, even with Supercoach Tom Herman, Texas simply could not shred athletically inferior opponents. Texas did what it should have done, which is no surprise, but a big reversal of previous outcomes.
Oh, and Cameron Dicker launched a 57 yard FG, which is pretty cool.
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Yeah I wasn't talking about Rice. Didn't get a chance to see the game, I was on a Cub Scout campout.
We'll know more this weekend, I believe.
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We'll know more this weekend, I believe.
I really think we will. It's just Ok State, but they always mean business. If we have the OL we hope we have, it will show in this game.
RoJo is likely shaming the other RB's. Or he should be. He's not even an RB, yet he's arguably our best back in the last 2 games. He fights for precious yardage at the end of the play. That added 2 yards every time he carries is big. He seems to find daylight where there is none.
Maybe Young and Ingram will turn it up a notch this weekend, but I fear they can't read the field like RoJo. We'll see.
Same with our DB's. Was LSU's QB that awesome, or are we that vulnerable. With LSU, we couldn't go one-dimensional on D at all. We had to be ready for everything, LB's and even DB's. With Ok State, they won't be as strong top to bottom, but they'll be strong enough. I'm hoping we can hone in on them a bit more.
This is likely the most I've looked forward to an Ok State game in awhile. I really believe we will get a good read on this team.
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I think that oSu has to try to make the game a shootout and hope that they score last.
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Right now, oSu should rate on Texas' schedule as an average to slightly above average test. They don't have known glaring holes like WVa or Kansas, but they don't feature a sure-fire attack like OU and possibly Baylor. They're an all around competent team.
Texas out-talents them everywhere, but Texas has out-talented a lot of teams over the last decade and managed a feeble record. The Cowboys always seem to have one guy who out-shines everyone else. How many years did some WR (Blackmon?) simply out-jump an All-American secondary to come down with a high pointed lofted pass?
Texas can dictate terms if their heart is in it. That's why I like our OL. Cosmi, Braun, and Kerstetter take it personally. Angilau and Okafor are learning to. It's been a long time since I've seen a Texas OL go dig their RB out of a pile when they think the defense is getting rough. Angry people (not rage-tilted people) win football games.
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I think youre way over confident concerning this game
I have watched the boys twice now and Im telling you they are a team thats
very good
The Horns might win but it will be a war
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I'd like to think my posts, when taken together, reflect my history of watching Texas/oSu. The Cowboys usually don't have Texas' caliber of athletes across the board. They just manage to use that one special talent so effectively that it throws all the advantages Texas has out the window.
This should be a game where the Cowboys complete some longer passes to a talented receiver, have some yards by a determined RB, but ultimately find themselves bogging in FG range while giving up TDs to a versatile Texas offense. What could easily happen, though, is the Texas defense gets jittery after the WR and RB get off a couple of talented plays. Then, they start over-correcting - which leads to busted assignments. Instead of giving up a couple of 1st downs and a punt, they give up 60 yard instant TDs. The Texas offense feels the pressure to compete point for point, someone presses too hard, and turns the ball over. At the end of the game, Texas is hoping to grab an onside kick for a final gasp at the tying points.
I believe this Texas team is tough - in the materials engineering sense. A material can be strong. Glass is strong, but ultimately fails because its brittle. One crack propagates through the entire material and makes it fail. Steel, properly made, becomes tough. It becomes tough when its inherent strength is reinforced by being beat on. Cracks form, get heated and sealed, and it gets beat on again. Through this process, the material becomes able to flex and give. A small crack is prevented from causing the entire material to fail because it is intercepted by more of the material.
oSu possesses the capability to defeat Texas, but only if Texas helps. I believe this Texas team, in addition to being talented and capable, has learned to be tough when the cracks occur - only because they've been beaten on in years' past.
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My vision of oSu football is a 23-year old QB throwing tall ropes to some guy named Blackmon. Not always true, just the vision I get.
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My vision of oSu football is a 23-year old QB throwing tall ropes to some guy named Blackmon. Not always true, just the vision I get.
That's what I'm remembering. Roster to roster, Texas was much more talented. They had a fantastic pass defense on the back end. They'd tackle Mr. Blackmon immediately, but it was still a 25 yard gain.
It wasn't usually even a very good pass. He just played the game over the head of the defense like schooling your little brother.
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I love droog's optimism.
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Any time you have a good RB and a good WR, you have the potential to get a defense panicking. Panic negates talent. oSu has exactly that mix.
Texas has more talent on the defensive side than the Cowboys have on the offensive side. I'm positive that oSu will hit some shots and move the chains. I'm trusting that the Texas defense won't freak out and will be able to keep their composure and the Cowboys out of the endzone enough times for the offense to keep up.
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We need 2 things and we will be fine:
1) Texas needs to respect oSu. I think we are good here. A few moons ago, oSu wasn't a "respect" game. Even when they became explosive we had a hard time ginning up respect for the program from Stillwater. Not today - we will hit the field ready to ball.
2) The crowd needs to be electric. We're sold out - but I still doubt we will have LSU-level crowd intensity. We need it. It fires up our guys, and it will rattle oSu. DKR has become the most intimidating place to play in Big 12 - when we want it to be. Even LSU folks were overwhelmed, and they play SEC stadiums.
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Crowd should be good but it definitely won't be the same as it was 2 weeks ago against a Top 10 opponent.
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Horns are selling out to stop Chuba Hubbard, but he did just score the 1st Poke TD. 14-13 Horns.
OSU's NG is my former student. Good kid. I hope he doesn't play some key role in a Poke victory over the Sooners at some point.
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Horns lead 21-20 at halftime.
So far, a very close game statistically. Which team will make the better adjustments at halftime?
OSU radio guys speculate that the Pokes' mistakes in the first half might be a case of the youngest team (in terms of freshman starters) in the country being a little jittery in its first conference road game.
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Texas got a bit of a break on the 3rd-down spot at the 4 for oSu. I thought that, at the worst, it should have been about 6 inches outside the 3.
Then the Pokes failed on 4th and 1.
Then, when Texas seemed to be on the way to a 96-yard scoring drive (which I was confident they would do), Ehlinger threw his 1st interception of the year.
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Texas dominated the 2nd half, even though oSu's late score sort of hides that reality.
Mike Gundy made some questionable coaching decisions that came back to bite him. Maybe too willing to settle for FGs in the 1st half, too unwilling to settle for them in the 2nd half. In particular, his decision to fake the FG really sabotaged him. That was responsible for the delay of game penalty that moved the ball back 5 yards. Then he stuck with it on 4th and 6 with a call that seemed to fool no one in all of CFB-land.
Texas made some mistakes too. Ehlinger's pick. Two muffed punts.
It all makes the stakes higher for the RRS.
I can't tell how good Texas is.
The Horns have played two tough games, going 1-1. But the defense hasn't looked very good at times. And the offense might be over-dependent on Sam Ehlinger.
Then there's this? Vandy scored 38 on LSU today, same as UT did back in Week 2. So how good is LSU's defense?
I don't know the answers to the questions I'm posing.
I'm sure of this. The Horns will be well-prepared for the contest in 3 weeks. They have been every year for a decade now.
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The bright spot from this - Texas did not play all that well, we got some mistakes out of the way, and still won the game.
oSu expected to speed burn everybody. Why? Because they haven't played anyone. Their lead rusher went from 8 yards/carry to 3. This will be the same with OU. We will need a better performance to beat OU, but I still predict it.
Jalen and Co. will hit the field ready to knife thru another cupcake. Texas will hit the field ready for LSU.
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Two fumbled punts. Leading to two oSu scores. I haven't seen anything like that since the 1999 Texas-NC State game. Ah well, at least we won this one.
Our scondary continued to worry me every bit as much as it did after LSU torched it. And OU's offense is better than LSU and oSu. Gonna be a high scoring affair in Dallas I think.
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A Poke-friendly article that contains some truth, I think.
OSU has itself to blame for frustrating loss at Texas
By Guerin Emig Tulsa World 9 hrs ago
AUSTIN, Texas — Oklahoma State’s 36-30 loss at Texas on Saturday night added plenty of color to the Cowboys’ big picture.
They barrel ahead in Big 12 Conference play feeling better about their quarterback, with Spencer Sanders playing bravely on this sweltering, hostile night at Darrell K. Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium. Longhorns QB Sam Ehlinger recognized as much and embraced his counterpart after finishing a post-game on-field interview with ABC.
The Cowboys feel slightly better about complementary targets besides Tylan Wallace, since Sanders went elsewhere for 14 of his 19 completions. (Note: I might encourage Sanders to steer the ball back toward Wallace next Saturday against Kansas State.)
They feel worse about complementary ball-carriers besides Chuba Hubbard. OSU’s lead back is a horse, but if LD Brown or somebody else can’t take the load off soon, he’s going to be out to pasture by November.
They are stuck with the defense they have. It’s decent, but like so many of Mike Gundy’s teams it’s no difference-maker. Gundy rides his offense into the heart of the Big 12, same as usual.
And that brings us to the smaller details that defined Saturday’s disappointing result.
The Cowboys were either ahead or in position to take the lead the first three times they had the ball in the second half. They drove inside the Texas 10-yard line their first series, to Texas’ 3-yard line their second, and to Texas’ 22 their third.
OSU had a first down from the Longhorns’ 17, a fourth-and-½ yard from the Longhorns’ 3, and second- and third-and-1s from the Horns’ 22 on those respective series.
Grand total of points from those three gilded opportunities: 3. One Matt Ammendola field goal. That’s it.
Explanation for these wasted moments: Depends on the moment.
Discipline, a 2018 OSU bugaboo, bit the Cowboys on their first drive of the second half, trailing 21-20.
Right tackle Teven Jenkins false-started on second-and-5 from the Texas 12. Runs by Hubbard and Sanders put the Pokes on the Horns’ 9, giving Gundy a fourth-and-2 decision. He chose a 27-yard field goal and a 23-21 lead. A conservative but acceptable call at that point in the game.
Worse than the call was Jenkins’ happy feet in a red zone where every inch is precious.
A lack of execution fouled up OSU’s next drive, Texas now ahead 28-23.
The Cowboys put Sanders under center and Hubbard at I-formation tailback on fourth-and-less than a yard from the Texas 3. Hubbard took a deep handoff and tripped over the foot of left guard Marcus Keyes as he accelerated toward the pile.
Hubbard stumbled and fell short of the 3.
Texas took over. Ehlinger threw an interception, and here came OSU’s third shot at glory beginning at the Texas 31.
Hubbard ran wide to the 22. Sanders threw late and incomplete to Wallace. Texas stuffed Hubbard on third-and-1.
OSU staff torpedoed things from here.
Gundy sent out Ammendola for a 39-yard field goal as the play clock ticked away. A timeout should have been in order, to either avoid a flag, settle the kicker or even reconsider the decision to kick.
Instead, OSU took the 5-yard penalty and called a fake that had holder Jake McClure attempt a shovel pass toward Jelani Woods between McClure and snapper Matt Hembrough.
The Cowboys ran it like they’d never practiced it. And even had they practiced it — I assume they had — you typically don’t pick up 6 yards shoveling to a receiver near the point of the snap.
You stand a better shot picking up 6 yards with your offense on the field, which some OSU coach should have figured out after the delay-of-game penalty. Or just have Ammendola connect from 44 yards out to cut the deficit to 28-26.
Instead, Texas accepted the gift, drove 73 yards for a touchdown and 2-point conversion to lead 36-23, and any hope of a sixth straight Cowboys triumph in Austin vanished.
“If we take advantage of our opportunities and not kick field goals, we are going to be in a different situation,” Gundy said.
You could sub “fake” for “kick” in that quote, but the point remained. Either way, it was hard to reconcile headed back home.
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The writer of that article has no concept of this thing called "defense".
Any time the Pokes experienced any trouble on offense, it was perceived as shooting itself in the foot.
Sad to be such a tunnel-visioned Poke fan. Football has so much more to offer.
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Read Ketchum's article on the game. It's the mirror image of this one. About how except for all the Texas mistakes it would have been a blowout.
Homer writers are homer writers, whether they drink day-glow orange kool-aid or the burnt-orange variety. The "woulda, coulda, shoulda" factors vary by which homer writer is telling the tale. Or making the excuses.
What this homer writer didn't mention (but could have) was the bad spot in the 4th quarter on 3rd down where the ball was spotted at the Texas 4 and the oSu QB clearly went out at about the 3. It made for a long 4th and 1 instead of 4th and inches. Had the ball been spotted correctly, the half-yard that Hubbard picked up on 4th down would have been sufficient for a first down.
That's football. Refs are going to err, and replay officials are included in that. And HFA will often apply in those official errors. And coaches make bad decisions and poor play-calls, and players false-start and drop passes and muff punts.
At the end of the night, the better team, playing at home, won.
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Read Ketchum's article on the game. It's the mirror image of this one. About how except for all the Texas mistakes it would have been a blowout.
Homer writers are homer writers, whether they drink day-glow orange kool-aid or the burnt-orange variety. The "woulda, coulda, shoulda" factors vary by which homer writer is telling the tale. Or making the excuses.
What this homer writer didn't mention (but could have) was the bad spot in the 4th quarter on 3rd down where the ball was spotted at the Texas 4 and the oSu QB clearly went out at about the 3. It made for a long 4th and 1 instead of 4th and inches. Had the ball been spotted correctly, the half-yard that Hubbard picked up on 4th down would have been sufficient for a first down.
That's football. Refs are going to err, and replay officials are included in that. And HFA will often apply in those official errors. And coaches make bad decisions and poor play-calls, and players false-start and drop passes and muff punts.
At the end of the night, the better team won.
FIFY CW
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Two unforced fumbled punts deep in our town territory is why this wasn't a 3 TD win for Texas.
You can take that to mean whatever you like about the relative quality of these two teams.
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Oh and the oSu QB was out at the 3.5. Pretty obvious from the replays we saw over and over. The spot was still slightly off but it wasn't egregious or anything. That's football.
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Frankly, I don't think oSu is done, and a few other clubs I won't mention probably need to worry about them.
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FIFY CW
Heh! The game was at DKR. Even with the Austin Malaise, killer green fog, kidney thieves, etc., that's got to be worth a point or two.
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Heh! The game was at DKR. Even with the Austin Malaise, killer green fog, kidney thieves, etc., that's got to be worth a point or two.
sure it is and plus we pay top salary to the refs
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I wasn't implying that the refs were unduly influenced, 320, only that they made a mistake. And I clarified that by saying that that's football, refs make mistakes every game.
But that's one of those things that oSu fans can reasonably put in the same category that Utee and BC are putting the two muffed punts.
"Take away the two muffed punts and it's a 3-TD blowout" is no more or less legitimate than oSu fans saying "take away the bad spot and the botched execution of the fake kick and we've got the lead after our last score." Neither claim is provable or disprovable.
Like I said, the better team won. But the game was at DKR, and HFA is worth something.
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I wasn't implying that the refs were unduly influenced, 320, only that they made a mistake. And I clarified that by saying that that's football, refs make mistakes every game.
But that's one of those things that oSu fans can reasonably put in the same category that Utee and BC are putting the two muffed punts.
"Take away the two muffed punts and it's a 3-TD blowout" is no more or less legitimate than oSu fans saying "take away the bad spot and the botched execution of the fake kick and we've got the lead after our last score." Neither claim is provable or disprovable.
Like I said, the better team won. But the game was at DKR, and HFA is worth something.
it was not my intention to imply you were complaining about the refs CW
I was just being a wise ass cause thats what we Texans do
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I am familiar with wise-assery, 320. I indulge in it myself from time to time, as you may have noticed. ;)
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Muffed punts - 2 of them no less, are self-inflicted.
The botched fake FG, was blown up by Texas D. Nothing self-inflicted there, Texas blew oSu off the line and got in the backfield to blow it up.
And if you can't score inside the red zone, credit the opposing D.
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Yeah, again I agree with T95 which is of course rare. Those two situations aren't comparable.
Anyway, I'd wish best of luck to any oSu fans if we had any. I think they're going to be pretty good this year. Bedlam should be interesting.
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Yeah, again I agree with T95 which is of course rare.
Nah, it's just rare that he admits it.
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The articles seem pretty spot on. Texas, with a MASH unit for a secondary, took away Tylan Wallace at every opportunity. Chuba Hubbard is the real deal, but couldn't quite make up the difference. The QB simply (wisely) decided not to force the issue and risk turnovers. He rode Hubbard all night, and the issue was very nearly decided in his favor. Sure, a few more risks or better execution in the red zone may have helped. I'm thinking adding some jet options or speed sweeps in the run game (that QB is fast enough to put the defense in conflict with Hubbard) may have loosened up the LOS a bit.
I'm happy to see Texas can survive an imperfect game against a quality opponent and still get the W. A freshman misplaying a punt is one thing. A veteran trying to make a diving fair catch on a punt that could have rolled dead down the field for all it mattered (just having the Texas O kill oSu timeouts would have ended the game) is quite another.
Once again, the injury report today will be critical. Texas has a week to rest, but I need some weapons to start improving.
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We need more RBs back. And pretty much the entire secondary. And some LBs. And...
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oSu will make minced meat out of all other XII defenses.
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Well, they're not unstoppable. They need complementary running and receiving threats. Getting the QB more active (risky, but necessary) in the run game, as well as targeting secondary receivers, will make that offenses electric.
The kid is young. As he gains confidence and wisdom, he could be exactly what the Cowboys need for the next few seasons.