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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on September 13, 2019, 04:28:58 PM
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Link to last week's rankings (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/b1g-power-rankings-week-2-11208/).
Votes through @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) , 16 voters:
(https://i.imgur.com/gSc8CtZ.png)
Drop the high and low:
(https://i.imgur.com/DwiJT1A.png)
Seasonal evolution.
(https://i.imgur.com/TfTMytl.jpg)
Vote Distribution:
(https://i.imgur.com/NWX9x5c.jpg)
Change so far this year (aka COTY Prediction graph):
(https://i.imgur.com/UwDBW48.jpg)
Schedule/Performance chart:
(https://i.imgur.com/T0lORgw.png)
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Today was such a shitshow for the league, that I'm not quite sure how to rank the middling teams. Here's my best shot at it. With Michigan being off, I got to watch most of the games.
1. Ohio State - Dominating bad teams is more than the rest of the league can say....
2. Wisconsin - Probably the best team in the West by default.
3. Michigan - We'll know a lot more next weekend of course.
4. Iowa - As ugly as the game was, I give them credit for winning it.
5. Penn State - Pittsburgh is not a very good team, and this game shouldn't have been close even considering the weather. Still better than the rest, though.
6. Nebraska - I hesitate to put them this high, but Northern Illinois is usually one of the best MAC teams.
7. Michigan State - Still no offense and good defense. Looks like the kicking game could be an issue, though.
8. Maryland - Temple is decent to be fair, and the Syracuse win might still look good in the end, but today shows their offense isn't really that great.
9. Northwestern - Another ugly win and that Stanford loss looks uglier by the week.
10. Minnesota - Nearly choked with two awful non-offensive TDs allowed late but pulled out of their ass at the end.
11. Indiana - No bad losses to bad teams yet at least....
12. Purdue - No shame in losing to TCU, but that Nevada loss keeps looking worse.
13. Illinois - Eastern Michigan isn't awful, but today goes to show
14. Rutgers - Massachusetts might go winless with the way they're playing so I have no confidence Rutgers will win another game, even after today.
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1. (1) (1) (2) Ohio State - Still dominant.
2. (2) (4) (8) Wisconsin - Didn't do much Saturday.
3. (2) (1) Michigan - Didn't do much Saturday.
4. (4) (3) (7) Penn State - Umm, I guess that was a win.
5. (6) (6) (9) Iowa - Um, they sort of won, over a good opponent.
6. (5) (5) (5) Michigan State - While they lost, the refs missed a leverage call on the final play, after using replay to correct their miss on the 2nd last play. Not fair.
7. (9) (7) (4) Northwestern - A quality win over a decent opponent.
8. (7) (9) (12) Maryland - Depressive looking loss to Temple; they have started out strong and faded before.
9. (8) (8) (13) Illinois - Back to their old ugly ways.
10. (10) (11) (3) Nebraska - They are what they are - bugeaters
11. (11) (12) (6) Minnesota - Yet, another close win.
12. (12) (13) (10) Indiana - Wiped out
13. (13) (14) (11) Purdue - Epic failure.
14. (14) (10) (14) Rutgers - Didn't lose.
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Snap! Back to reality. Oh! There goes gravity.
1. OSU
2. Wisc
3. PSU
4. Iowa
5. Mich
6. MSU
7. Neb
8. MD
9. NW
10. Purdue
11. Indy
12. Minn
13. ILL
14. Rut
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1. Wisconsin: Almost put OSU here, but that would be recency bias, as no matter how good OSU has been, Wisconsin has been better. But the real test is coming.
2. Ohio State: OSU channeled their inner Wisconsin in rushing for over 300 yards on the road. It wasn't Fields best game, but OSU can run and play defense, and these two have been the clear top two teams over three weeks.
3. Iowa: Not going to downgrade them for getting a rivalry win on the road. But they were a bit punchless, which will be tough against some teams that play defense.
4. Michigan: It's crap or get off the pot time for the Wolverines. They have to hope they've got some things figured out on offense to take to Madison.
5. Michigan State: Getting tough here. MSU should have won their game, at least. But man, their inability to score persists.
6. Penn State: Not exactly an awe-inspiring effort, getting outgained by Pitt at home. There's a theme in the B1G this year, and that's teams that can't play offense.
7. Maryland: Well, they beat Syracuse by more than Clemson did, at least.
8. Nebraska: Put together a pretty good game, finally. May be primed to move up.
9. Minnesota: Not exactly looking strong. Will they crumble when finally playing a good team?
10. Northwestern: Stanford looks straight up awful, so not sure what to make of NW.
11. Purdue: Pretty punchless, but they were missing their quarterback.
12. Indiana: They wanted to be Buster Douglas. They were - old, fat Buster Douglas.
13. Illinois: So close to being undefeated.
14. Rutgers: Rutgers.
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1. Ohio State
2. Wisconsin
3. Iowa
4. Penn State
5. Michigan
6. Northwestern
7. Nebraska
8. Michigan State
9. Minnesota
10. Maryland
11. Indiana
12. Illinois
13. Purdue
14. Rutgers
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1)Ohio State - Offense/Defense/Special Teams all scored and impressively
2)UW - didn't play but looked impressive previously
3)PSU - wasn't impressive but it was a rival
4)Iowa - another win vs in state rival
5)Mich.- didn't play but wasn't impressive previously
6)MSU - Dantonio lost some of his luster - get it fixed man
7)Gophs - shaky 3-0
8)Nebraska - why not,rolled N.Ill
9)NU - at least they beat a bum w/o their QB
10)Mary - move them up if they can prove it's not deja vu
11)Indy - because the lost tOSU not E Mich
12)Illini - see above
13)Purdue - Rondale had a tough game and no QB,prove last season wasn't a fluke
14)NJ State - the Lord in his mercy gave them a stay of execution
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1) Ohio State
2) Wisconsin
3) Penn State
4) Michigan
5) Iowa
6) Michigan State
7) Minnesota
8) Maryland
9) Nebraska
10) Northwestern
11) Purdue
12) Indiana
13) Illinois
14) Rutgers
The bullet train that is Ohio State and the freight train that is Wisconsin are on collision course to meet at Indy in December. I see no legit challenger to OSU and I’m not sure Iowa has the horses to pull off the win in Madtown.
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1. Ohio State
2. Wisconsin
3. Penn State
4. Iowa
5. Michigan
6. Maryland
7. Nebraska
8. Michigan State
9. Minnesota
10. Northwestern
11. Indiana
12. Purdue
13. Illinois
14.
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1 Ohio State - only blemish is their backups getting pushed around a little bit by FAU in the opener
2 Penn State - Elite D, gutted out a tough win vs in state rival
3 Wisconsin - back to being Wisconsin
4 Iowa - Gutting out the CyHawk win that often eludes them
5 Michigan - It isn't going to be the Wolverines
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6 Maryland - tough to tell if history repeats, or if Temple just has their number
7 Michigan St - does Herm Edwards have Sparty's number?
8 Nebraska - bounced back by knocking off perennial Mac power... but Colorado lost to Air Force, making that loss look worse.
9 Northwestern - starting to round into form just in time for their Big Ten season opener
10 Minnesota - undefeated, but all close wins vs mid majors
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11 Purdue - they had Drew Brees
12 Indiana - hopefully they remembered to update their media guide photo
13 Illinois - actually lost to the Fighting EMUs
14 Rutgers - it will be interesting to see how they fare vs BC, who just got smoked by Kansas
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1. Ohio State - No question at this point.
2. Michigan - Did not play and rightly moved up
3. Iowa - Good rivalry win.
4. Wisconsin - They keep moving up.
5. Michigan State - I know they lost, but I have never seen a team so dominant end up losing. If they played again, I'd pick MSU by 2 TDs.
6. Maryland - I put them above Penn State because I believe they will BEAT Penn State in two weeks. Their mistake is typical -- they shouldn't have looked past Temple to Penn State.
7. Penn State - Against Pitt, the offensive line had one of their worst performances in years. The defensive ends were unable to pressure Pitt's QB as well. YGM went the entire game without a STAT. When given time, Clifford overthrew every single deep ball. The massive substitutions of players is stopping PSU from getting any type of offensive rhythm. A hallmark of PSU under Franklin has been the improvement from game to game. They will certainly need it!
8. Nebraska - Took care of business
9. Northwestern - Trademark Northwestern -- they keep improving every single game.
10. Minnesota - Undefeated. I feel like they should be higher...
11. Purdue - No clue if they are better than Indiana or not..
12. Indiana
13. Illinois - I thought I had them too low last week. Silly me.
14. Rutgers
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1. Ohio State - Looking good in all phases of the game
2. Wisconsin - Here by default. We'll know more after this weekend
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3. Iowa - Best win of the next four.
4. Michigan - Good week for a bye to prepare for the Badgers.
5. Penn State - Have not looked impressive so far.
6. Michigan State - Great Defense, offense back to looking like typical MSU
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7. Northwestern - That loss to Stanford is looking worse
8. Nebraska - Good game against a MAC school. We'll see how they do against real teams soon.
9. Minnesota - Playing this sloppy will come back to haunt them against better competition.
10. Maryland - Deja vu all over again.
11. Indiana - Look helpless against tOSU.
12. Purdue - The loss to Nevada is looking worse.
13. Illinois - Would they be in the top tier of MAC schools?
14. Rutgers - Maybe football is not their thing.
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- Ohio State - 1,1,1 - Did pretty much what they were expected to do.
- Wisconsin - 2,4,3 - We'll find out a lot more next game.
- Penn State - 3,3,4 - It was a rivalry game but that is concerning.
- Michigan - 4,2,2 - We'll find out a lot more next game.
- Iowa - 6,5,6 - Looking good so far!
- Nebraska - 9,6,8 - Looked great but that Colorado loss now looks worse.
- Michigan State - 7,7,9 - The offense appears to be better than last year but that isn't saying much.
- Maryland - 5,8,11 - I'm trying not to overreact so only down a few spots.
- Northwestern - 10,9,7 - solid win.
- Minnesota - 8,13,10 - At least they won.
- Indiana - 13,12,12 - Pretty much as expected.
- Purdue - 11,10,5 - Ouch.
- Illinois - 12,11,13 - Ugly.
- Rutgers - 14,14,14 - Still Rutgers.
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Help. When I copy/paste from last week's rankings the font size goes wacky. How do I fix that?
Edit: Nevermind, I found it.
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Illinois really screwed the pooch and made me look silly in the process.
Who is the next coach? Time for Santa Lovie to go.
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1) Ohio State: until someone knocks them off.
2) Penn State: hmmm, not that impressive, but it's a win. With the next two on my list idle, I'm not moving PSU down. And Iowa didn't deserve to move up.
3) Wisconsin: time to put up or shut up.
4) Michigan: return to glory, or just you wait 'til next year when all this talent will really come together? Finding out soon.
5) Iowa: winning is better than losing.
6) Michigan State: gross, but who deserves to be higher?
7) Northwestern: winning is better than losing, but that Stanford loss ain't looking so forgivable.
8) Maryland? Reality struck this week, but is 3-0 Minnesota really deserving of moving up given its schedule? Still totally unsure on Maryland.
9) Minnesota: wins are good, but it isn't as though these nail biters have come against a murderer's row.
10) Nebraska: finally a solid performance.
11) Purdue: the win over Vandy is better than the Hoosiers' wins over EIU and Ball State.
12) Indiana: no home shocker over the Buckeyes this year.
13) Illinois: gross.
14) Rutgers: idle doesn't SUNJ off the hook.
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Illinois really screwed the pooch and made me look silly in the process.
Who is the next coach? Time for Santa Lovie to go.
Rod Carey.
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1. OSU
2. Wisconsin
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3. PSU
4. Michigan
5. Iowa
6. MSU
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7. Northwestern
8. Nebraska
9. Minnesota
10.Purdue
11. Maryland
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12. Indiana
13. Illinois
14. Rutger
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1. Wisconsin (--) - Complete Package
2. Ohio State (+2) - Owned the Hoosiers
3. Penn State (--) - won an in-state battle
4. Michigan (+2) - I heard they used the bye week, to get that offense in shape
5. Maryland (-3) - I thought this team would revenge slobber kick Temple. I was wrong.
6. Iowa (+1) - Rivalry win
7. Michigan State (-2) - 12 men, we all counted 12 men
No Changes
8. Nebraska -
9. Northwestern -
10. Minnesota -
11. Indiana - looked bad, but I think better than those below them.
12. Purdue - back up QB, meet the only D in the B12
13. Illinois - I like Lovie
14. Rutgers - bad
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13. Illinois - I liked Lovie
FIFY.
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- OHIO STATE (1) - distancing themselves from the field
- WISCONSIN (3) - bye week
- PENN STATE (2) - Pitt game is never fun, but PSU shouldn't have let them hang around that long
- MICHIGAN (4) - bye week
- IOWA (5) - wasn't pretty, but it was Iowa-ISU
- MICHIGAN STATE (7) - probably the most frustrating loss ever, game magnitude aside, the points left on the board, ugh
- MARYLAND (6) - Group of 5 loss, not a great look
- NORTHWESTERN (8) - at least they found a 2nd RB in Damien Anderson's kid (which makes me feel old) because they have no passing game
- MINNESOTA (9) - I guess just call them the Cardiac Cratogeomyses
- NEBRASKA (10) - nice to see Noa and Robinson emerge at second options
- INDIANA (11) - I guess this was not Indiana's week to scare a contender
- PURDUE (12) - So Jack Plummer was clearly not ready for his moment
- ILLINOIS (13) - that should remove any doubt about whether this is Lovie's last year
- RUTGERS (14) - bye week
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Results posted, votes through @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) , 16 voters.
The only really big move was Maryland (down 3.5 spots). We have a pretty strong consensus on the top two and bottom two but the middle is unclear. For example, no team got more than four votes for seventh place and there were six teams with at least one vote for seventh.
The bullet train that is Ohio State and the freight train that is Wisconsin are on collision course to meet at Indy in December. I see no legit challenger to OSU and I’m not sure Iowa has the horses to pull off the win in Madtown.
Based on our current rankings and the schedule, an Ohio State/Wisconsin B1GCG appears very likely. Ohio State and Wisconsin are well ahead of the field in the rankings and they have a distinct SoS advantage. Among the top six teams, the Buckeyes and Badgers only play one road game each while the other four all have at least two. Top-6 teams' road games against fellow top-6 teams:
- #1 tOSU: One: #4 Michigan
- #2 UW: One: #1 Ohio State
- #3 PSU: Three: #1 Ohio State, #5 Iowa, #6 Michigan State
- #4 M: Two: #2 Wisconsin, #3 Penn State
- #5 IA: Two: #2 Wisconsin, #4 Michigan
- #6 MSU: Three: #1 Ohio State, #2 Wisconsin, #4 Michigan
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Curios that there is so little debate about:
14 Rutgers. I mean, we rarely agree about everything even with our own team's fans, but man do we hate Rutgers. Not for nothing, but it's stunning that not one of us would even consider that SUNJ could be better than Illinois or Purdue or...
11/12 speaking of Indiana. Amazing, too, that we are so consistent on the Hoosiers. While we jump around on Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, and Nebraska, we are pretty darn sure where Indiana fits: not the basement, but no better than the first step up from it.
And Ohio State. In a year that the Buckeyes have a new head coach, we are so used to OSU winning the conference that we just assume. Yuck. (And I'm doing it, too.)
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we are experienced
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Curios that there is so little debate about:
14 Rutgers. I mean, we rarely agree about everything even with our own team's fans, but man do we hate Rutgers. Not for nothing, but it's stunning that not one of us would even consider that SUNJ could be better than Illinois or Purdue or...
I think Rutgers could be better than Purdue. I was not prepared this week to rank them as such. I would not be surprised if Rutgers were to make a move toward #13.
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I think Rutgers could be better than Purdue. I was not prepared this week to rank them as such. I would not be surprised if Rutgers were to make a move toward #13.
Earning some respect may take some time.
Rutgers actually will get plenty of chances to get some more victories this year. Games against Boston College, Liberty, Minnesota, Indiana and Illinois are coming up, all potentially winnable games for the Scarlet Knights.
The final 3 games are just brutal. OSU, MSU, PSU. Could destroy any potential momentum they might have gained by then.
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Keep forgetting to post the Massey composite, now with 63 rankings (last week in parenthesis)
- Clemson (1)
- Alabama (2)
- OHIO STATE (4)
- LSU (3)
- Georgia (5)
- Notre Dame (8)
- Oklahoma (6)
- Auburn (7)
- Florida (14)
- Central Florida (13)
- WISCONSIN (11)
- PENN STATE (9)
- IOWA (10)
- MICHIGAN (12)
- Texas (21)
- Texas A&M (17)
- Utah (15)
- Oregon (20)
- Washington State (18)
- Kansas State (-)
- Washington (-)
- Mississippi State (16)
- Oklahoma State (-)
- Boise State (22)
- Missouri (-)
- 27. Michigan State (19)
- 37. Maryland (29)
- 38. Minnesota (31)
- 45. Nebraska (62)
- 53. Northwestern (44)
- 68. Indiana (52)
- 71. Purdue (60)
- 89. Illinois (78)
- 106. Rutgers (103)
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Teams that look better than I expected: Ohio State*, Wisconsin
Teams that look worse than I expected: Michigan, Nebraska
Everyone else is about in line.
*And that was not easy for them to do.
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hopefully your view will change Saturday night in Lincoln
will you be watching?