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Title: Appliances
Post by: MrNubbz on September 04, 2019, 08:28:28 AM
Opinions on when the best time time to buy.Reason I ask there are still Labor Day deals going on thru the weekend on washers/dryers - but I wasn't pricing them before so I'm taking their sticker's word.I know the day after Thanksgiving is also a good one.Should I wait until then?Thanx ahead of time
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Post by: 847badgerfan on September 04, 2019, 09:07:10 AM
End of January/early February in my experience.
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Post by: MrNubbz on September 04, 2019, 09:09:27 AM
Are they dumping last years models then?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on September 04, 2019, 09:14:06 AM
A bit of that, and that they are also starving for sales. January is tough on big ticket retail. Nobody has any money left.
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Post by: MrNubbz on September 04, 2019, 09:27:37 AM
Good to know think I read that a while back but it didn't register because I wasn't looking.A buddy who repiars appliances recommended not buying Samsung dryers,lots of problems and expensive parts,well there all expensive they are pricier.The companies have been gobbled up by each other.GE sold their appliance line to Haier - Haier,GE just makes jet engines and defense dept goodies.Kenmore has been made by Whirlpool & LG.Maytag has been made by bought and by Whirlpool.Crazy keeping score
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 04, 2019, 09:28:08 AM
I have not noticed much difference, but January sounds like a shot to me.  Each brand has different marketing programs at different times.

Some brands like Bosch have one sale per year, and some discounts if you buy three at other times.

The tariffs are in play here now as well.
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Post by: MarqHusker on September 04, 2019, 09:42:01 AM
I just bought all new appliances on the new build.   I think there's a fair amount of truth to Badge's point.   The model cycle isn't necessarily uniform, but one thing is true,   if you like a specific model/style pounce on it, as these outfits make subtle changes, and things get discontinued pretty quickly.    We had this work against us when we wanted a specific model of Franke kitchen sink, which they stopped making, which ticked us off.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Cincydawg on September 04, 2019, 09:47:22 AM
We bought a Bosch cooktop for the old house off the floor.  It was "last one", brand new, but they couldn't sell it because it was inductive.  Folks looking for black cooktops didn't know what that meant.  So, it was discounted from about $2000 to about $1100.  You can at times find these deals at Big Boxes if you look long enough.

Lowes' also has a 5% discount if you use their credit card, even on sale items.  It helps.

The range we bought for the condo was not on sale at all, but I thought we needed it in a hurry for the kitchen redo (it was delayed).  So, it sat in a corner during the delay and I saw a Bosch 10% off come 6 weeks later, bummer.  It was too long to get the sale price at Lowes'.  I asked.

The good news is we both really like that range.
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Post by: rolltidefan on September 04, 2019, 09:51:17 AM
depending on how many appliances you need, you could go to one of the big box stores (lowes/home depot/etc) and get a contractor discount. usually need to spend $5000+, but if you're buying all new appliances, you should meet that. discount is usually around 15%. they'll take a ticket, submit to corporate, and list a discount on each item. some items might be 20-30%, some might be 10%, but usually rounds to around 15% total. at least that's how i've done it in past.

also, don't be like me and insist on getting all same brand/model. do a little research and get best appliance for it's specialty. i wish i'd done research and gotten best product for each one instead of all just looking the same. my stove/range is great, but my fridge is just ok and my dishwasher is terrible. washer/dryer were fine, but they were bought a different time and are a different brand and getting old, so i might be in same market as you soon.
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Post by: MarqHusker on September 04, 2019, 09:58:04 AM
That's a good point,  I don't think I have any matching appliance brands, aside from our ovens and cooktop.   
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Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 04, 2019, 10:04:14 AM
Good to know think I read that a while back but it didn't register because I wasn't looking.A buddy who repiars appliances recommended not buying Samsung dryers,lots of problems and expensive parts,well there all expensive they are pricier.The companies have been gobbled up by each other.GE sold their appliance line to Haier - Haier,GE just makes jet engines and defense dept goodies.Kenmore has been made by Whirlpool & LG.Maytag has been made by bought and by Whirlpool.Crazy keeping score
I will also second NOT buying Maytag or Samsung.  They are terrible.  Samsung washers and dryers are built so badly they actually corrode away.  Maytag is now cheap parts under a formerly nice brand.

Buying a big brand, then downgrading it to cheap crap and capitalizing on the profits seems to be a big thing these days.  Here's a list of companies that were once amazing but are now terrible.

Bose
Craftsman
Breyer's Ice Cream
Maytag

I'm sure there are many more.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: FearlessF on September 04, 2019, 10:06:03 AM
I only buy them when one of them dies

then I don't wait for a sale

it's urgent
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 04, 2019, 10:08:19 AM
General Electric Company is a global digital industrial company. The Company's products and services range from aircraft engines, power generation, and oil and gas production equipment to medical imaging, financing and industrial products. Its segments include Power, which includes products and services related to energy production; Renewable Energy, which offers renewable power sources; Oil & Gas, including liquefied natural gas and pipelines; Aviation, which includes commercial and military aircraft engines, and integrated digital components, among others; Healthcare, which provides healthcare technologies in medical imaging, digital solutions, patient monitoring and diagnostics, and drug discovery, among others; Transportation, which is a supplier to the railroad, mining, marine, stationary power and drilling industries; Energy Connections & Lighting, which includes Energy Connections and Lighting businesses, and Capital, which is a financial services division.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 04, 2019, 10:10:01 AM
I really liked the GE Café range and Advantium we had in our old place. Good quality and reasonable cost. Can't beat Bosch for the dishwasher. The Samsung fridge we had... lots of trouble but the place we got it from stood by it and made the repairs. The icemaker in those things sucks.

Now we have a Wolf stove and the Sub Zero fridge in our rental. The fridge is fantastic. I liked my GE better than the Wolf, to be honest. I miss the warming drawer/oven and I miss the self cleaning feature.
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 04, 2019, 10:31:59 AM
Wolf and Subzero of course are near high end brands they use in higher end houses and condos these days.  They catch the eye.  

We visited one house that had a double wide Subzero fridge with that fancy LCD screen on one side.

Miele is another near high end brand.  A Miele range was $7700.  Nyet, for me.

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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 04, 2019, 10:59:33 AM
Good to know think I read that a while back but it didn't register because I wasn't looking.A buddy who repiars appliances recommended not buying Samsung dryers,lots of problems and expensive parts,well there all expensive they are pricier.The companies have been gobbled up by each other.GE sold their appliance line to Haier - Haier,GE just makes jet engines and defense dept goodies.Kenmore has been made by Whirlpool & LG.Maytag has been made by bought and by Whirlpool.Crazy keeping score
A friend of mine owned a trucking company that shipped items out of a nearby appliance factory.  It was funny, the factory supposedly was a factory for a specific brand but the boxes that he shipped out of there had all different brand names on them.  My sneaking suspicion is that there are only really two or maybe three different manufacturers out there for most of these.  Then after the basic unit is built different brands put their logos and control panels on them and sell them as theirs.  
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 04, 2019, 11:01:35 AM
I will also second NOT buying Maytag or Samsung.  They are terrible.  Samsung washers and dryers are built so badly they actually corrode away.  Maytag is now cheap parts under a formerly nice brand.

Buying a big brand, then downgrading it to cheap crap and capitalizing on the profits seems to be a big thing these days.  Here's a list of companies that were once amazing but are now terrible.

Bose
Craftsman
Breyer's Ice Cream
Maytag

I'm sure there are many more.
I have a ~20 maytag washer/dryer pair and they are great but you are right, the new Maytags are just somebody else's junk with a Maytag sticker slapped on it and an upcharge.  

Like you, I HATE when some corporate raider trashes a brand's hard-won reputation like that.  
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on September 04, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
depending on how many appliances you need, you could go to one of the big box stores (lowes/home depot/etc) and get a contractor discount. usually need to spend $5000+, but if you're buying all new appliances, you should meet that. discount is usually around 15%. they'll take a ticket, submit to corporate, and list a discount on each item. some items might be 20-30%, some might be 10%, but usually rounds to around 15% total. at least that's how i've done it in past.

also, don't be like me and insist on getting all same brand/model. do a little research and get best appliance for it's specialty. i wish i'd done research and gotten best product for each one instead of all just looking the same. my stove/range is great, but my fridge is just ok and my dishwasher is terrible. washer/dryer were fine, but they were bought a different time and are a different brand and getting old, so i might be in same market as you soon.
I manage some rental property and we try to buy in bulk to get discounts as well.  Sometimes I'll just buy an extra or two for future use because I know I'll eventually need them.  
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Kris60 on September 04, 2019, 11:06:10 AM
I only buy them when one of them dies

then I don't wait for a sale

it's urgent
Lol.  Me too.  Unfortunately, in the last 6 weeks I’ve bought a new washer, dryer, and dishwasher.  When it rains it pours I guess.  
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Post by: rolltidefan on September 04, 2019, 12:09:01 PM
Lol.  Me too.  Unfortunately, in the last 6 weeks I’ve bought a new washer, dryer, and dishwasher.  When it rains it pours I guess. 
sounds like you should take the appliances inside.
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Post by: MaximumSam on September 04, 2019, 12:44:47 PM
We got ours at Big Sandy - they are always running sales if you buy a set.  We got LGs.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on September 04, 2019, 12:47:59 PM
We put Wolf/Sub-Zero in our new kitchen. Love the Sub-Zero fridge. Love the way the Wolf performs and looks, but both major Wolf appliances (we have a dual-fuel range/oven and a steam oven) have had maintenance issues in the two short years we've owned them. The springs in the knobs for the range have been awfully touchy and haven't allowed us to control the heat as much as we would like. The steam oven is amazing--we love it--but we've had two calls on it recently regarding the fan in which the repair guy said it struggles with dishes that create grease--including those that are in the Wolf steam oven cook book. That's a little frustrating for what is supposed to be near industrial grade stuff.

We can't stand our Asko dishwasher. I think Wolf/Sub-Zero now has a relationship with Bosch, but when we bought, the relationship was with Asko. We've had tons of issues with ours. Maybe it's a lemon, maybe it's just not a good dishwasher, but it's been frustrating to deal with for high-end appliances.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Cincydawg on September 04, 2019, 01:29:13 PM
Way back in the day, our laundry department was very high on Kenmore (Whirlpool).  We had a laundry with about 35 washers in it, plus 4 Maytags and 4 GEs.

The GEs had a high agitation rate that tore up clothing, and the Maytags were the reverse, the lasted because they barely moved the water around.  They would do "suds mapping" with these machines testing new formulas.  Women back then still though suds meant something was cleaning (it does with dishes being done by hand).

The guy there told me the Kenmores almost never broke down, and they were running 8 hours a day 5 days a week.  That was circa 1980, not relevant to today.  I think our washer/dryer is Samsung, so far so good, about 5 years.  They barely fit in our laundry room which is quite small.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on September 04, 2019, 01:49:10 PM
Kenmore was good to buy when Sears was Sears. They stood behind their stuff. Now they are barely standing.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: MrNubbz on September 04, 2019, 02:08:53 PM
General Electric Company is a global digital industrial company. The Company's products and services range from aircraft engines, power generation, and oil and gas production equipment to medical imaging, financing and industrial products. Its segments include Power, which includes products and services related to energy production; Renewable Energy, which offers renewable power sources; Oil & Gas, including liquefied natural gas and pipelines; Aviation, which includes commercial and military aircraft engines, and integrated digital components, among others; Healthcare, which provides healthcare technologies in medical imaging, digital solutions, patient monitoring and diagnostics, and drug discovery, among others; Transportation, which is a supplier to the railroad, mining, marine, stationary power and drilling industries; Energy Connections & Lighting, which includes Energy Connections and Lighting businesses, and Capital, which is a financial services division.
I knew they had their dirty little fingers in alot.Wasn't going to type that.Their execs don't have to wait for sales
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Post by: MrNubbz on September 04, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
depending on how many appliances you need, you could go to one of the big box stores (lowes/home depot/etc) and get a contractor discount. usually need to spend $5000+ :violent-smiley-007:
Knock off another zero then we're talking I was looking at nice LG marked down from 720.00 to 578.00 at a Home depot
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 04, 2019, 03:58:14 PM
Kenmore was good to buy when Sears was Sears. They stood behind their stuff. Now they are barely standing.

Yeah, Sears is a disaster.  There is a very large brick building near us that used to be THE Sears in town, the only one.  Now it's a kind of upscale mall thing.


https://poncecitymarket.com/our-story/

T (https://poncecitymarket.com/our-story/)he place is packed often as not.  It's so crowded no one goes there any more.




(https://i.imgur.com/SaBCoEv.jpg)
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Post by: rolltidefan on September 04, 2019, 04:09:37 PM

T (https://poncecitymarket.com/our-story/)he place is packed often as not.  It's so crowded no one goes there any more.





thanks, yogi.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Cincydawg on September 04, 2019, 04:19:26 PM
I thought you would berra with me.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 04, 2019, 07:08:57 PM
Buying a big brand, then downgrading it to cheap crap and capitalizing on the profits seems to be a big thing these days.  Here's a list of companies that were once amazing but are now terrible.

Bose
I was honestly never a fan of Bose. I feel like they were more about design than sound. 

When they had their surround sound system that was the 4 pairs of tiny little speakers and a sub, it was entirely missing midrange. Something I found to be common with them, because when you're optimizing for small package size, it's easy to have great highs, but the mids fall away. And it's also easy to get good sound quality without a lot of power from the amp, because the power necessary to drive high frequencies at a reasonable volume is much less than driving lower frequencies.

They got away with this because the high frequencies are the ones most "normal" listeners use to judge sound quality. So if they focused all their effort on the highs, they could get enough people to buy speakers that really weren't any better than most others, but had attractive designs and the average listener loved.

Then they got into fancy all-in-one alarm clocks and CD radios. Overpriced for the level of sound quality they were delivering.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: MichiFan87 on September 04, 2019, 07:30:09 PM
Check for your electric utility's energy efficiency program rebates. For residential programs, that's often done through the stores themselves, but that's not always the case. Not all models are eligible (in many cases just the most efficient ones). If nothing else, make sure it's EnergyStar rated.
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 04, 2019, 08:20:27 PM
I agree about Bose sound systems.  Not to my tastes/ears.

I have two Monitor Audio Silver speakers now with a subwoofer and soundbar and they do fine without any rear speakers I think.  Just bought a new Yamaha receiver to drive them, that made a big difference.

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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on September 05, 2019, 06:47:41 AM
A friend of mine owned a trucking company that shipped items out of a nearby appliance factory.  It was funny, the factory supposedly was a factory for a specific brand but the boxes that he shipped out of there had all different brand names on them.  My sneaking suspicion is that there are only really two or maybe three different manufacturers out there for most of these.  Then after the basic unit is built different brands put their logos and control panels on them and sell them as theirs. 
I'm guessing your friend was shipping items out of Clyde, Ohio. There is a Whirlpool plant there and from what I have heard, they make a few different name brands.
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on September 05, 2019, 06:54:00 AM
Also agree about Bose. When I was younger, I did some research and found the Boston Acoustic had some speakers that did really well in all sound ranges. I have been happy with them ever since. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 07:13:58 AM
I had Small Advents WAY back in the day.  They were famous for putting out base from a small speaker system.  The base was pretty muddy.  I upgraded to some ADS speakers when I could afford them, they were much tighter and cleaner.  I added a cheap subwoofer to use for movies when being crisp was less of an object.

I asked my buddy about better speakers when I retired and he suggested Monitor Audio Silvers.  I was surprised recently how replacing a 13 year old receiver made such a difference in sound quality.  My buddy is the dude who spent well over $2000 on speaker CABLES.  He has a very high end system, far beyond what I view as cost:benefit, but it's his hobby, he also builds speakers.

The wife likes that the new receiver is all black instead of brushed nickel, and agrees it sounds better.  I had a turntable that I left back at the house, and a bunch of records, that I probably should have brought with me.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on September 05, 2019, 07:32:19 AM
Jamo, Infiniti sub and Yamaha power is my setup - but not for now. In the rental we have a Samsung sound bar and sub. 

Sounds OK, for now.
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 07:38:29 AM
Some of the better power bars are pretty good, and a very good option for anyone space and/or money constrained who wants sound for movies on TV.  I don't think you need some awesome sound system for movies, perhaps with few exceptions.  

I got a Yamaha RX-A1080 received "reconditioned" on line, it was really new, someone returned it maybe, and saved about $400.  My buddy told me the response time on newer transistor receivers was a lot faster than 14 years ago.  We used to be consumed with power ratings and distortion, those factors aren't really important today.
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Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 05, 2019, 08:12:07 AM
I had Small Advents WAY back in the day.  They were famous for putting out base from a small speaker system.  The base was pretty muddy.  I upgraded to some ADS speakers when I could afford them, they were much tighter and cleaner.  I added a cheap subwoofer to use for movies when being crisp was less of an object.

I asked my buddy about better speakers when I retired and he suggested Monitor Audio Silvers.  I was surprised recently how replacing a 13 year old receiver made such a difference in sound quality.  My buddy is the dude who spent well over $2000 on speaker CABLES.  He has a very high end system, far beyond what I view as cost:benefit, but it's his hobby, he also builds speakers.

The wife likes that the new receiver is all black instead of brushed nickel, and agrees it sounds better.  I had a turntable that I left back at the house, and a bunch of records, that I probably should have brought with me.


Wow, he got scammed.  A digital signal is a digital signal...  Study after study has shown no difference in sound quality by changing cables.

I do need a new surround sound system.  My kid crawled behind the TV and destroyed my media center.  Trying to keep in the $5K range, but fighting through the BS to find a good system is a pain in the arse. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 09:31:07 AM
Maybe he did, sounded excessive to me, but then he has close to $100,000 in his sound system.  And of course he's using a tube amplifier most of the time, so he isn't using a digital signal.  I forget what kind of speakers he has, he runs two subwoofers with them, but they are large enough to appear not to need them.  No surround sound, he doesn't like it, and his amps don't appear to support it anyway.

He has two passions and goes after them with abandon, sound systems and cameras.  He has some pretty slick lenses for his Canon, I forget which type.  To each his own, he and his wife has good jobs, their kids are out of the house, the both like good wine (how we met), another hobby which can get excessive in a hurry.

I've done a good job getting back to mostly sub-$20 wines though, save my recent trip out west.  That Costco box wine of "Napa cab" is saving a lot of money for me, it's the equivalent of $3.25 a bottle, and remarkably decent.  I know some folks, distantly, who would show up and tell the wine store guy to fill up 2 cases for $2-10,000.

I dunno.  My palette is not that advanced, nor is my wallet.  I try to hit that bend in the curve where incremental is very expensive and the bend is "good enough".

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Post by: 847badgerfan on September 05, 2019, 09:39:24 AM
Interesting about the Costco Cab.

Does the wife like it? 

This is your "daily drinker", I take it?
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 09:42:35 AM
Yes, she likes it, and I drink it when I want some but not anything "fancy".  It's a bit too fruity for me to like a lot, but is very pleasant to drink watching TV or something.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on September 05, 2019, 09:50:21 AM
Have you tried their whites?
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 10:18:38 AM
I've tried most of the Kirkland bottled wines.  I'd say 80% are quite good values.  They don't yet have a box white under that name.

If you see their Chateauneuf du Pape, buy it, it's only there for a short while.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 05, 2019, 10:26:40 AM
Maybe he did, sounded excessive to me, but then he has close to $100,000 in his sound system.  And of course he's using a tube amplifier most of the time, so he isn't using a digital signal.  I forget what kind of speakers he has, he runs two subwoofers with them, but they are large enough to appear not to need them.  No surround sound, he doesn't like it, and his amps don't appear to support it anyway.

He has two passions and goes after them with abandon, sound systems and cameras.  He has some pretty slick lenses for his Canon, I forget which type.  To each his own, he and his wife has good jobs, their kids are out of the house, the both like good wine (how we met), another hobby which can get excessive in a hurry.

I've done a good job getting back to mostly sub-$20 wines though, save my recent trip out west.  That Costco box wine of "Napa cab" is saving a lot of money for me, it's the equivalent of $3.25 a bottle, and remarkably decent.  I know some folks, distantly, who would show up and tell the wine store guy to fill up 2 cases for $2-10,000.

I dunno.  My palette is not that advanced, nor is my wallet.  I try to hit that bend in the curve where incremental is very expensive and the bend is "good enough".


I bought a Bose system a few years ago, and it sounded terrible.  Someone mentioned the terrible mid range stuff, and that was spot on.  I thought if I bought a "good" brand I would be OK.  Turns out Bose is no longer a good brand and honestly a cheap sound bar probably would have sounded better.  When my kid stepped on all of the cables and the media center I was secretly happy.  haha.

However I've been listening to just the TV speakers for months now and it is terrible.  I don't even watch TV in that room anymore.  So I need a new sound system pretty badly.  However, you can't trust the sales guys at the stores because they honestly don't know.  They just repeat what they have been told by management.  You can't trust reviews online because half of them are purchased and fake reviews.  This means I have to bite the bullet and do some serious research on my own, and I don't have that kind of time.

I'm big into finding that perfect bend in the curve as well.  At the end of the day it is in my living room, not a true home theater, so it doesn't have to be the best thing in the world.  On the flip side, I don't want another terrible sounding system like I had.  The wife also doesn't want gigantic speakers everywhere.  Maybe I'll just stick to headphones.  hahaha
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 05, 2019, 10:30:56 AM
I've tried most of the Kirkland bottled wines.  I'd say 80% are quite good values.  They don't yet have a box white under that name.

If you see their Chateauneuf du Pape, buy it, it's only there for a short while.
Thanks for the info. I've passed it all on to my daily wine buyer. Heh.



As for sound... much depends on what you do with it. I need something good for music and concert videos. As such, even though I'm using a sound bar, I pass the iPod and TV sound wires through EQ's so I can adjust to my liking (as best as can be with a bar...). I look forward to getting my full system back soon, in Florida.


Speaking of... I'm sure whatever I buy down there will need a remodel and new appliances. So, there's that.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 10:44:15 AM
You can get decent reviews from the better magazines, but even there they usually say everything is great.  They at least give you a range of speakers, for example, in a price target.  A lot depends on how much you want to spend of course.

Getting a matched system is ideal, something where there is no single weak link, like the amp (in my case).  I think one is better off with precise, clean speakers than some over sized boom box that is muddy and unclear.  Larger speakers are not by any means always better.  You can do pretty well with nice bookshelf speakers and a hidden subwoofer.  

https://hometheaterreview.com/monitor-audio-silver-300-loudspeaker-reviewed/ (https://hometheaterreview.com/monitor-audio-silver-300-loudspeaker-reviewed/)



Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: FearlessF on September 05, 2019, 12:20:46 PM
I could use an upgrade on my sound system, but I'm putting new siding on the house this fall instead

My cheap sound bar with sub will have to do another 6 moths or year
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 05, 2019, 01:31:07 PM
You can get decent reviews from the better magazines, but even there they usually say everything is great.  They at least give you a range of speakers, for example, in a price target.  A lot depends on how much you want to spend of course.

Getting a matched system is ideal, something where there is no single weak link, like the amp (in my case).  I think one is better off with precise, clean speakers than some over sized boom box that is muddy and unclear.  Larger speakers are not by any means always better.  You can do pretty well with nice bookshelf speakers and a hidden subwoofer. 

https://hometheaterreview.com/monitor-audio-silver-300-loudspeaker-reviewed/ (https://hometheaterreview.com/monitor-audio-silver-300-loudspeaker-reviewed/)




My wife would kill me if I set those jobbies up in our living room.  haha

Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 01:50:47 PM
I actually think a half decent sound bar and sub is the way to go for a whole lot of people.  Not many of us have time to sit quietly and enjoy MUSIC without doing something else.  If you're watching a good movie, a soundbar is going to be pretty good, you don't need to shake the walls.

Soundbars today have improved a lot.  Go to Costco and buy whatever is in your price range, my advice.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: rolltidefan on September 05, 2019, 02:11:42 PM
i got $30, what'll that get me?
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 02:19:45 PM
i got $30, what'll that get me?

Put it in the bank at 0.01% interest and in 100 years, it probably won't be worth $30.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: FearlessF on September 05, 2019, 02:40:34 PM
My wife would kill me if I set those jobbies up in our living room.  haha


I could easily put them in my small living room, but they're English

don't you need to get German or Asian engineering to get the good stuff?
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 05, 2019, 02:46:40 PM
Danish.


(https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/2535x1694/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/3/s35blackpair_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: FearlessF on September 05, 2019, 02:53:09 PM
(https://img.theculturetrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/danish-pastry-892909_1920.jpg)
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 05, 2019, 02:54:34 PM
(https://img.theculturetrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/danish-pastry-892909_1920.jpg)
How do they sound? They look very similar.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: FearlessF on September 05, 2019, 02:58:37 PM
google came up with some images that did not look similar when searching for Danish!

:72:
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 04:40:30 PM
For a long time, the best speaker were American designed and built.  I don't know if that is true today.  
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Post by: MrNubbz on September 05, 2019, 05:26:02 PM
I could use an upgrade on my sound system, but I'm putting new siding on the house this fall instead

My cheap sound bar with sub will have to do another 6 moths or year
I picked up a little Sony Radio at a garage sale for 5 bucks - sounds great when you're raking,changing oil,painting......
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Cincydawg on September 05, 2019, 05:56:12 PM
Most of the time we just want a bit of background music, nothing ultra fidelity, or the news or sports.  I am astonished how much car "radios" cost these days.  An upgraded sound system can be in the thousands of dollars.  I can recall when an AM radio was optional.

Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 05, 2019, 07:26:49 PM
Wow, he got scammed.  A digital signal is a digital signal...  Study after study has shown no difference in sound quality by changing cables.
I'll chime in as an electrical engineer. 


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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 05, 2019, 07:39:10 PM
Getting a matched system is ideal, something where there is no single weak link, like the amp (in my case).  
Yep. That's the problem I got into with the Jeep. I upgraded that main speakers, and then the head unit was the weak link. Now I've upgraded the head unit, and the factory amp is the weak link. Once I upgrade that, the sub and the tweeters will be the weak link, although I'll probably upgrade the sub with the amp and then just push the tweeters until later. 
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 05, 2019, 07:43:32 PM
Most of the time we just want a bit of background music, nothing ultra fidelity, or the news or sports.  I am astonished how much car "radios" cost these days.  An upgraded sound system can be in the thousands of dollars.  I can recall when an AM radio was optional.
Any good sound system can be in the thousands of dollars lol 😂

One of the big issues with cars today is that the "infotainment" [BTW I hate that word] systems are so integrated that it's nearly impossible to buy a head unit that supports everything without spending a fortune and it still looks like crap. I wouldn't touch the systems in the Flex or Lexus because trying to mess with it would be tons of money. 
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: MrNubbz on September 05, 2019, 08:41:11 PM
You bastages hijacked this thread from washing machines to Hi-Fi Components.I think the lot of you are from the Seattle Grunge Scene - all about listening enjoyment and not washing your clothes - idgits.Prolly all puffing on Kona Bud/Maui Wowie so ya can't stay on point.Except Fearless he's tossing back Shark Water
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: rook119 on September 06, 2019, 12:49:26 AM
For a long time, the best speaker were American designed and built.  I don't know if that is true today. 
Grados are supposed to be quality and they are for the most part sub $100. Granted they are headphones. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on September 06, 2019, 07:11:27 AM
I am headed to Seattle today, not sure about any grunge though ...
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Post by: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2019, 08:20:00 AM
Seattle is a beautiful city. I've been lots of times and never come away disappointed.
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Post by: MarqHusker on September 06, 2019, 08:50:47 AM
I am getting to like this Savant home system a lot.  Nice to be able to ditch remotes and operate pretty much everything else w my phone or tablet.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2019, 09:15:11 AM
Interesting. I'll have to look that up.

What town are you in now?
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: FearlessF on September 06, 2019, 09:59:52 AM
I picked up a little Sony Radio at a garage sale for 5 bucks - sounds great when you're raking,changing oil,painting......
I've got a crappy AM/FM radio hanging in my garage.  Sounds like crap, but was a hand me down from my father's garage - didn't cost nuttin

I don't use it much, don't spend much time in the garage
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: FearlessF on September 06, 2019, 10:01:09 AM
You bastages hijacked this thread from washing machines to Hi-Fi Components.I think the lot of you are from the Seattle Grunge Scene - all about listening enjoyment and not washing your clothes - idgits.Prolly all puffing on Kona Bud/Maui Wowie so ya can't stay on point.Except Fearless he's tossing back Shark Water
Bombay Gin & tonic last night with a large Porterhouse steak
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: Cincydawg on September 06, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
beautiful day today, at lounge in ATL, can see downtown.

Amazing to watch the ground traffic here.
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Post by: MarqHusker on September 06, 2019, 10:17:05 AM
Interesting. I'll have to look that up.

What town are you in now?
Same, just built about 1 mile east of the old house.  No change of schools or anything, same HOA even.     One way to describe Savant is that it makes you the puppeteer for everything in your house.  I can control all the TVs in my house, feed it cable, Roku, Netflix, AmazonPrime, MLBTV, whatever I have loaded onto it, and same with the speakers throughout the house,  XM, Sonos, TI, spotify, Apple music.    all of the hardware is in a big tower in a service room behind my 3 TV wall.   You can order a remote for this, my kids are begging us to do that.  Kind of ironic, the youngsters can't convince themselves that they don't need a remote anymore, and the parents are cool with the app. interface.

I can run this from anywhere.  parents over watching the kids, can't figure out your TV, while you're 100 miles away,  I can do whatever I want.  I can make them listen to rap, or watch whatever, in which ever room.   The home security bells and whistles are also baked into this.   I stopped short of syncing all of our lights and appliances, that was a bridge I didn't want/need to cross.



speaking of appliances, I bought my first ever microwave (and doorbell).  Guess I've always lived somewhere where there was already a microwave.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: MrNubbz on September 06, 2019, 10:34:54 AM
I've got a crappy AM/FM radio hanging in my garage.  Sounds like crap, but was a hand me down from my father's garage - didn't cost nuttin

I don't use it much, don't spend much time in the garage
I'm the President of the local chapter of the Fraternal Order of Garage Dwellers
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 06, 2019, 10:45:24 AM
MH - did you look at the Advantium for your microwave solution?
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Post by: rolltidefan on September 06, 2019, 10:46:56 AM
I've got a crappy AM/FM radio hanging in my garage.  Sounds like crap, but was a hand me down from my father's garage - didn't cost nuttin

I don't use it much, don't spend much time in the garage
i got a hand me down from my grandad that i play in my shop. sounds like that crappy radio from apollo 13 when they're doing the "live" broadcast, all distorted and stuff. it's terrible. i love it.
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: MarqHusker on September 06, 2019, 10:58:50 AM
MH - did you look at the Advantium for your microwave solution?
I did explore that momentarily, but the ship had sailed.  My wife was locked in on (as she's a regular baker) a specific top and bottom double oven on a wall, and the microwave was (and now is) always going to be a pretty basic microwave and stored in our rather large pantry on the counter.  It's worked out nicely.
The Advantium looks impressive, not certain I see the ROI,  it does seem capable of doing things, I haven't really seen an interest in doing. Kind of like the Insta-pot.   
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: FearlessF on September 06, 2019, 11:10:31 AM
I'm the President of the local chapter of the Fraternal Order of Garage Dwellers
you all have wives, correct?
Title: Re: Appliances
Post by: MrNubbz on September 06, 2019, 11:23:42 AM
What tipped it off?