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Title: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on August 27, 2019, 11:40:43 AM
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Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: ELA on August 27, 2019, 11:42:57 AM
Starting OT Cole Chewins still injured, so they've slid Reid over from RG to RT, and Tyler Higby, who was a rare bright spot in 2016 as a RS freshman, and has seemingly gotten worse each year, moves into Reid's starting spot at guard.

The OL recovering from the disaster they were last year is probably the most important issue facing this team, so it would be nice to have the full group out there for the first two games to get some cohesiveness ironed out
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: CWSooner on August 27, 2019, 08:41:10 PM
Tulsa had a good defense but an inept offense last year.  They were not a good team, but they gave Texas all the Horns could handle.  In Austin.

So this might be an interesting game.

Tulsa is my home-town school and my father's alma mater, so I hope the game is a good one.
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 27, 2019, 11:21:50 PM
Do you think Theo Day can overtake Rocky Lombardi as back-up?
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on August 27, 2019, 11:49:00 PM
Their three wins last year were Central Arkansas, UConn and SMUw. 

They boat raced UConn. 
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: ELA on August 28, 2019, 12:07:48 AM
Do you think Theo Day can overtake Rocky Lombardi as back-up?
I think Rocky is the first off the bench for mop up duty, but if Lewerke gets hurt, and it becomes a meaningful competition, he could.  He won't play this year, but the true freshman they flipped from WMU, after Mathis flipped to OSU, sounds like he might be a surprising factor in the 2020 race.  After missing out on our too 2 QB targets in 2020, and no obvious 3rd option, Thorne better be all that
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: CWSooner on August 28, 2019, 08:08:05 AM
Tulsa at No. 18 Michigan State: TU's strength will clash with the Spartans' specialty
By Dekota Gregory Tulsa World  7 hrs ago

University of Tulsa football coach Philip Montgomery knows his team’s identity. And, yes, he knows all about Michigan State, too.

The Hurricane opens its season against the No. 18 Spartans at 6 p.m. Friday in East Lansing, Michigan. This Michigan State team, like most before it, is known for its physical defense.

“No matter who’s their defensive coordinator, it always looks the same,” Montgomery said. “Coach (Mark) Dantonio does a tremendous job of maintaining that culture schematically, and just the way they play.”


Michigan State’s strength of its defense is its run defense. The Spartans were statistically the best in FBS at stopping the run last season, giving up only 77.9 rushing yards a game. Opposing ball carriers averaged 2.58 yards a carry against the defense.

“They’re extremely tough against everything, but especially the run,” Montgomery said. “You look at the personnel they’ve got coming back, the pride they take in their defense and how they stop that run. We’ve gotta do a good job of mixing things up — trying to keep them off-balance, trying to give them different looks — but also staying true to who we are.”

Staying true to what TU is would mean the Hurricane relying on its run game, pitting TU’s strength against Michigan State’s specialty Friday night. TU returns junior running backs Shamari Brooks and Corey Taylor II, who are both on the preseason watch list for the Doak Walker Award, given to the best running back in the country at the end of the season.

“We understand the run game is a vital part of the offense,” Taylor said. “We definitely carry that burden with pride, understanding that if we’re not out there being as productive as we can, then we’re not gonna be able to be the team that we are. …

“We’re definitely focused on just keeping our identity and who we are, and just playing fast and playing hard. We feel like playing fast is the equalizer.”

While TU is obviously aware of its own strength, so is Michigan State.

“We don’t wanna let people run the ball on us,” Dantonio said at the Spartans’ weekly press conference. “People have not been able to do that recently. We need to continue that trend, and again, it’ll be a challenge. …

“They’ve been successful, and we’re gonna have to see how it shakes out.”

Taylor and Brooks combined for 1,813 rushing yards last season. Brooks led the way with 967 yards, as well as seven touchdowns. Taylor ran for 846 yards and 11 touchdowns. Together, they averaged 4.45 yards a carry. Even better numbers — say, 5 yards a carry and 100 yards a game — are expected this year, and maybe even against the best run defense in the country.

“I think if you look at the stats from last year, we were pretty close to that,” Taylor said. “I believe over this offseason we’ve definitely developed. (We) just worked on our craft a ton. With the offensive line that we have — those are great guys that we have blocking for us up front — so I think 100 (rushing yards) apiece a game and at least 5 a carry is pretty reasonable.”

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Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: ELA on August 28, 2019, 10:54:39 AM
The up tempo run attacks never seemed to trouble MSU's defense as much as the up tempo short passing attacks.  That's why Northwestern kills us year after year.  Utah State to an extent last year as well.
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: ELA on August 28, 2019, 11:10:33 AM


Tulsa Golden Hurricane at #18 Michigan State Spartans
Friday @ 7:00 - East Lansing, MI - FS1
Both defensive coordinators are operating in the dark trying to prep for this one.  For Tulsa, even though Michigan State's offensive coaching "changes" did little (nothing?) to appease the fan base, but the early rumblings are that the changes are going to be more stark than simply reshuffling.  It all starts with health, something Michigan State had great luck with in 2017, with the 8th fewest starts lost to injury.  I cautioned last year about how horrifically thin Michigan State's depth chart was, and that they needed similar luck in 2018.  They didn't get it.  The Spartans lost 55 starts to injury in 2018.  Only TCU (56) and Virginia Tech (63) lost more.  Considering basically all of those except Josiah Scott's 8 games were on the offensive side of the ball, it made a bad situation a lot worse.  Tulsa's offensive mystery lies in who their starting quarterback will be.  A three-horse race, was narrowed to two when Luke Skipper, who was the starter to begin last season, until he suffered a season ending injury in late September, announced his retirement.  It's between sophomore Seth Boomer, who took over last year for the final 8 games, and struggled with accuracy, but did solve Tulsa's turnover issues; and Baylor transfer Zach Smith.  Smith committed to Art Briles, and offensive coordinator Phillip Montgomery in June of 2014, right before Baylor's breakout season.  He stuck with his commitment, but decided to follow Montgomery, who is now the head coach at Tulsa.  Smith showed flashes of potential, including 463 yards, 4 touchdown shootout with Baker Mayfield in a near upset of #3 Oklahoma in 2017.  Where he needs to improve over Boomer is getting the ball out.  The Golden Hurricane surrendered the most sacks in the AAC last year, and they now open against a Michigan State front seven, that Athlon ranks third nationally, behind just Alabama and Clemson. He'll share the backfield with a pair of great running backs, Shamari Brooks and Corey Taylor II, who has been saying there's no reason not to expect Tulsa to run for 200 yards, against what was the nation's top run defense a year ago.  There's no question that Tulsa has the weapons to challenge Michigan State's defense.  The Spartans looked rocky on that side of the ball early on last year.  The offensive line has to take major steps forward to utilize those weapons, and replacing three starters, against a front like Michigan State's, doesn't seem like the time to do it.  The X factor is how much Montgomery can change the playcalling with a veteran like Smith, with his Power Five pedigree, versus the redshirt freshman he had to use last year.
MICHIGAN STATE 38, TULSA 9

Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 31, 2019, 03:53:00 AM
I think -73 yards rushing by Tulsa is a new national record for the MSU defense. That number is so impressive, and CFB has been around so long, that the opponent doesn't matter at all. It's why dictionaries need an entry for "sensational."
The other side looks problematic, as expected. Lewerke is still hanging around 5YPA and the ground game fell short of 3YPC versus the #119 rush defense from last year.
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State vs. Tulsa Game Week
Post by: ELA on August 31, 2019, 01:10:35 PM
The offense was basically the same, with the plays that kept not working being removed.

The OL is absolutely horrific.  I hope Collins gets more carries going forward, he's the best back they've got.

The defense looks faster.  Simmons is a revelation.  Henderson is more athletic than Willis was, we'll see against better opposition if the experience trade off matters.

I'll give Tulsa credit, they do keep talking. The RB who guaranteed 200 rushing yards on 5.0 ypc didn't, but their coach said post game something to the effect of nobody on MSUs defense would start for Tulsa.  That's bold.
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on August 31, 2019, 01:34:38 PM
Should be noted MSU was down both starting OTs, but this was also Tulsa
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on August 31, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Sticking with my 7-5 pick.  Winning every home game except PSU (Tulsa, WMU, ASU, Indiana, Maryland).  Losing every road game except Rutgers (NW, OSU, UW, UM)
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on August 31, 2019, 03:22:11 PM
Should be noted MSU was down both starting OTs, but this was also Tulsa
That has to be the single worst spot for MSU to have injury issues. Just theoretically, if it were to last, it'd arguably be worse than Brian Lewerke sitting out the year.
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on August 31, 2019, 04:52:13 PM
That has to be the single worst spot for MSU to have injury issues. Just theoretically, if it were to last, it'd arguably be worse than Brian Lewerke sitting out the year.
I think Cole Chewins needs an * at this point.  It's a multiple year back issue.  That's not getting better.  I certainly hope they weren't planning on getting anything from him this year.  A.J. Arcuri was a game time surprise.  He was dressed, and expected to be fine.  I wonder if it wasn't Tulsa,. if he goes.
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 01, 2019, 12:44:22 AM
How did the line compensate for Arcuri/Chewins being out -- did younger tackles step in or did interior guys step out?
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on September 01, 2019, 10:49:36 AM
Slid a guard out on the right side, played Luke Campbell, the #3 OT on the left
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 01, 2019, 11:13:36 AM
How did Campbell do?
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on September 01, 2019, 11:56:20 PM
Only noteworthy if Salem notices too

https://twitter.com/Wil__Hunter/status/1168335094425296897?s=19
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on September 02, 2019, 08:38:09 AM
ELA - The Spartan offense - is that more due to injuries,recruiting or play calling?I know they had injuries and substitutions and many penalties but not a good start.Someone should let MD know that Matt Canada is available 
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: ELA on September 02, 2019, 09:51:47 AM
ELA - The Spartan offense - is that more due to injuries,recruiting or play calling?I know they had injuries and substitutions and many penalties but not a good start.Someone should let MD know that Matt Canada is available
All of the above.  The OL is bad, and injuries have made it worse.  It's hard to tell how much else is a result of that issue.

The only playcalling adjustments I noticed is that it seems like they took the 2018 playbook and just removed the terrible plays and personnel usage that drove fans crazy.  I didn't otherwise notice anything different.  The announcers made a big deal about tempo, but they used tempo at times last year too.

The lack of speed and athleticism, most notably at RB, is also apparent too.  That's why Collins, I hope, takes the job.  Jefferson is more of an H back, and Heyward, blah.
Title: Re: #18 Michigan State (1-0) vs. Tulsa (0-1) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 03, 2019, 07:30:03 PM
I think the author is wrong (Jarvis looks like he wins to me).

https://twitter.com/WorldofIsaac/status/1167582421396742146