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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on August 18, 2019, 08:06:22 AM
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Miami V. Florida in Orlando on ESPN at 7 pm on Saturday. Yes, it's a corporate hollow shell of a game designed to take money from kids and give it to lazy executives but by God it's an actual college football game and I'm here for it.
We also get Arizona at Hawaii if you can stay up until 10:30 and you get CBSSN.
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I'll be tuning in to hopefully watch the Canes lose a ballgame
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Can't wait. I'm predicting a Florida beatdown. Gainesville is a lot closer to Orlando than Miami, expect that one to be pretty much a home game for Florida.
Florida should be a very good team this year. Miami? Not so sure. Really think the Hurricanes day in the sun has probably come and gone. They had an amazing unbelievable run- but I think their moment has come and gone. Kind of like Minnesota in the 1930's & 1940's. Dominant for a couple decades and then slowly just slip into mediocrity. The top players in South Florida go everywhere now, Miami doesn't have a monopoly on those kids like they used to have.
I really think the top players today are all about social media and feeling the love from the fans and the gameday experience with 90-100k fans in attendance at the games. Well, Miami has like zero fans. Everyone from South Florida is.......not from South Florida. They like other teams or they like other sports or they like to do other things than watch sports. Lots of people there, but not lots of college football fans. Miami plays at the Dolphins' NFL stadium and those games are typically 50% empty or more. Miami doesn't have their own stadium on campus and they never will because Miami is a small private school and the land in Coral Gables is just too damn expensive and there's really none of it left. For them to get a legit stadium that holds 80-100k on or near campus like all the helmets have- by the time they bought the land, went through the entilement and development process and built the stadium- probably $1 billion. That ain't happening.
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The U leads the series 29-26, won the most recent match up, and has won 7 of the last 8.
Arizona leads the all time series vs Hawaii 5-0.
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The hell you say Sam!
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I hereby nominate that we refer to the Florida-Miami game as the Kickoff Classic, and the Arizona-Hawaii game as the Pigskin Classic.
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How 'bout the the OktoberFest Contest - that's what I'll be quaffing
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That idea would be better suited for a game that was taking place in October.
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I sort of agree but it's on the shelves now and prolly gone by mid/late September.Wish they'd string it out thru October it's the perfect fall Stein filler
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Florida definitely should win, but Miami's strength happens to directly correlate with Florida's biggest unknown: their DL vs our OL
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Arizona leads the all time series vs Hawaii 5-0.
Book 'em, Danno!
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Florida definitely should win, but Miami's strength happens to directly correlate with Florida's biggest unknown: their DL vs our OL
So the game should provide some useful information then.
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Definitely pulling for Florida and hoping for en epic beatdown.
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Florida definitely should win, but Miami's strength happens to directly correlate with Florida's biggest unknown: their DL vs our OL
I think Florida is gonna be pretty good this year. Especially in Year 2 under Mullen.
Miami? I get the feeling they are gonna really suck this year.
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I sort of agree but it's on the shelves now and prolly gone by mid/late September.Wish they'd string it out thru October it's the perfect fall Stein filler
we discussed this on the XII beer thread many years ago. They distributors want that stuff on the truck now, and the distributors/producers/retail don't want any of it back. If it lasts till October, great, but they aren't going to saturate the market with seasonals, especially one that has a month in its name.
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Plus, Oktoberfest starts in September anyway. Oktoberfest is concluded the first weekend of October.
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Well I haven't concluded drinking it,they should just have 4-5-6 weeks a year for IPA's - worx for me :clap:
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Sometimes I think about *trying* a month off beer. If there were a month without IPAs, that'd do it!
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Well, you all know my thoughts on IPA... :58:
That said, in my kegerator right now are:
- Kolsch
- IPA made w/ kolsch yeast
- Blonde ale
- Amber ale
- Russian Imperial Stout
- Carbonated chardonnay
So one of 6 taps is IPA.
On deck:
- Belgian patersbier (kind of a Belgian single) - in fermenter now
- Keg of barrel-aged Russian imperial stout - same batch as #5 above, but aged with my homebrew club in barrels
- Pilsner - plan to brew it this Saturday
- Oktoberfestbier - plan to re-use the yeast from the Pils, so this would be the next brew after that
I do like variety, even if most of the commercial beer I drink is IPA...
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It's not unusual to be at a friend's place and grab a Bud Light with a smile or finish of my wife's stout/gose/wheat, but I can't remember the last time I had a beer I genuinely enjoyed that wasn't an IPA.
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I'm sipping a Sam Adams Boston Lager at the moment. I am enjoying it as much as seeing Wisconsin really airing it out this season.
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- Pilsner - plan to brew it this Saturday
- Oktoberfestbier - plan to re-use the yeast from the Pils, so this would be the next brew after that
I do like variety, even if most of the commercial beer I drink is IPA...
ooh,Pilsner & Festbier - Who's you buddy?Who's your friend?Who's your pal?Ya can't do it alone bwarb - I'm here for ya
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ooh,Pilsner & Festbier - Who's you buddy?Who's your friend?Who's your pal?Ya can't do it alone bwarb - I'm here for ya
All ya gotta do is make your way to Mission Viejo, CA...
Oh, and if you're here when I've got my kids, please entertain them. They're bored of me.
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I'm trying to book a flight on the Concord now or looking for Mr Scott
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flight on the Concord
There are an unusual number of accidental TV puns in this thread.
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we discussed this on the XII beer thread many years ago. They distributors want that stuff on the truck now, and the distributors/producers/retail don't want any of it back. If it lasts till October, great, but they aren't going to saturate the market with seasonals, especially one that has a month in its name.
Exactly. My friend Chip at Live Oak brews one of the best Oktoberfests in the USA. And he absolutely can't sell it beyond Halloween, nobody will buy it.
Several brewers have started using the Marzen label or simply calling it Festbier in an attempt to lengthen the buying cycle for it, not sure whether it's working or not.
Personally, it's tough for me to drink a Marzen while it's still 100 degrees outside so I don't typically crack one until the end of September, but they've been on the shelf here since mid July. I actually noted the day this year, it was one of the large national brands like Sam Adams or Sierra Nevada, and it was July 18th.
Heck, I'll still be drinking pilsners and kolsch until November, but such is the way of things.
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Surprise find for me - Kroger brand KC BBQ sauce. It was a buck, I have it a shot, better than the name brands IMHO, not so sweet. Wife likes it too.
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Exactly. My friend Chip at Live Oak brews one of the best Oktoberfests in the USA. And he absolutely can't sell it beyond Halloween, nobody will buy it.
I will
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Amen, brutha. I buy lots of it and keep in the beer fridge throughout the Fall.
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I used to stock up on cases of Boulevard's Bob's '47 Oktoberfest. I just don't find it any longer. Even early in the season
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Boulevard got bought out by the Belgian company Duvel, I'd expect their distribution to have increased, not decreased. We've never gotten much of it down here though, before or after the acquisition.
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Exactly. My friend Chip at Live Oak brews one of the best Oktoberfests in the USA. And he absolutely can't sell it beyond Halloween, nobody will buy it.
Several brewers have started using the Marzen label or simply calling it Festbier in an attempt to lengthen the buying cycle for it, not sure whether it's working or not.
Personally, it's tough for me to drink a Marzen while it's still 100 degrees outside so I don't typically crack one until the end of September, but they've been on the shelf here since mid July. I actually noted the day this year, it was one of the large national brands like Sam Adams or Sierra Nevada, and it was July 18th.
Heck, I'll still be drinking pilsners and kolsch until November, but such is the way of things.
Odd history with Oktoberfest. The "festbiers" served at the fest are no longer traditional Marzen style. Those styles were deemed too strong, too heavy, and so today a "festbier" is much more pale and a little lower ABV.
https://learn.kegerator.com/festbier/ (https://learn.kegerator.com/festbier/)
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Bob's '47 Oktoberfest brewed by Boulevard Brewing Company - Märzen 5.8% ABV
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Yeah, I can buy that the actual Germans have changed their recipes for "Festbier."
But from what I've seen, the ones in the USA are just trying to get out from underneath the name. At least a couple local ones I've seen are still Marzens, not something lighter.
Hitting up the real Oktoberfest is still on my bucket list though. Even if they no longer serve the correct beer. :)
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Yeah, I can buy that the actual Germans have changed their recipes for "Festbier."
But from what I've seen, the ones in the USA are just trying to get out from underneath the name. At least a couple local ones I've seen are still Marzens, not something lighter.
Agreed, and they'd do well to get out from under the name. I just find it somewhat funny that the orange-hued "Oktoberfestbier" that we all drink the US is actually not even the same style of beer that is drunk at Oktoberfest...
Hitting up the real Oktoberfest is still on my bucket list though. Even if they no longer serve the correct beer. :)
Amen to that. I got to travel to Munich for work one year, and had beers at the Hofbrauhaus and then we went to Weihenstephan in Freising afterwards for dinner. Wish I could have stayed longer--was in Munich less than 48 hours.
But alas, that was in November, so well after Oktoberfest had concluded...
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Yeah, I can buy that the actual Germans have changed their recipes for "Festbier."
But from what I've seen, the ones in the USA are just trying to get out from underneath the name. At least a couple local ones I've seen are still Marzens, not something lighter.
Hitting up the real Oktoberfest is still on my bucket list though. Even if they no longer serve the correct beer. :)
I'd love to watch you over there wagging your finger at the steins.
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I'd love to watch you over there wagging your finger at the steins.
Ha! I'm nothing if not crotchety in my old age! :)
The Germans are so nice though. Especially in Bavaria. In reality I'd just politely order my "Festbier" and enjoy its deliciousness because after all, it's still German and therefore awesome!
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Odd history with Oktoberfest. The "festbiers" served at the fest are no longer traditional Marzen style. Those styles were deemed too strong, too heavy, and so today a "festbier" is much more pale and a little lower ABV.
https://learn.kegerator.com/festbier/ (https://learn.kegerator.com/festbier/)
The Horror
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beer for girls
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Beer Advocate Oktoberfests - Check out Great Lakes Brewing,but I already new that.Would love to sample all the other efforts
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/styles/29/?sort=revsD&start=0 (https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/styles/29/?sort=revsD&start=0)
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And the Elliot Ness Vienna Style Lager - they take care of me up here
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/styles/30/ (https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/styles/30/)
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Yes Elliot Ness is a damn good dinner pairing.
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Back to the game, if I may...QBs making their first start vs the Gators don't tend to fare well as far as I recall. Good luck to him.
Two that stand out are Tennessee's Nathan Peterman 4-for-11 with five passing yards, two interceptions and a lost fumble — all in the first half.
He was benched at halftime.
Also, Johnny Football. He was a baller in the first half, but got completely shut down, both running and throwing, in the 2nd half. They didn't score after halftime and the Aggies lost.
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Most QBs making their first start against competent opposition will struggle.
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I used to stock up on cases of Boulevard's Bob's '47 Oktoberfest. I just don't find it any longer. Even early in the season
Check HyVee this week. The Coralville store just posted a picture of their latest shipment, with Bob's included.
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Somebody understands the Fall Football Season
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Check HyVee this week. The Coralville store just posted a picture of their latest shipment, with Bob's included.
I know the local Hy-Vee liquor department manager pretty well. He also works and plays at the golf course I frequent.
Norwegian named Vern
He knows I'm looking for it.
I'll see Vern tonight at golf league, I'll hit him up!
Thanks
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I am off to SF early tomorrow. Hopefully I can catch part of this game in the hotel. Might be out though, meh.
Then spending 3 days in Sonoma, meeting a buddy who has a ridiculous number of wine club memberships. He's addicted, always says he will drop them after 6 months but doesn't. He's a big OSU fan so I guess that should be expected.
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I know the local Hy-Vee liquor department manager pretty well.
The Congregation here is shocked I tell you
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Florida is ranked 8th and a 7.5 point favorite
But I still will be hoping for a cane win
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Florida is ranked 8th and a 7.5 point favorite
But I still will be hoping for a cane win
Good God, no.
Why?
Clearly you were not in attendance at the 1991 Cotton Bowl. Go find yourself a copy of it, watch it right now, and git yourself some religion, son.
So very, VERY disappointed in you right now. SMH.
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Miami fans were the worst back in the day. But they weren't really fans. More like bandwagoners because Miami was so great. Now that they have been on a long down slide they barely even have fans anymore. Going to one of their games at Hard Rock Stadium is kind of funny. I went to one a couple years back. It's pretty much always half empty.
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FCS Kickoff Classic on ESPN at 2 CT. Samford vs Youngstown State. Grandson plays for Samford.
https://www.guardiankickoffclassic.com/ (https://www.guardiankickoffclassic.com/)
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Miami fans were the worst back in the day. But they weren't really fans. More like bandwagoners because Miami was so great. Now that they have been on a long down slide they barely even have fans anymore. Going to one of their games at Hard Rock Stadium is kind of funny. I went to one a couple years back. It's pretty much always half empty.
It's not their fans, I've never met one and am pretty sure that's a mythical beast.
It's what the school and the administration and the coaches and the teams have done over the years, that earned them my loathing. And I hold long, long grudges. Eff Miami.
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I am off to SF early tomorrow. Hopefully I can catch part of this game in the hotel. Might be out though, meh.
Then spending 3 days in Sonoma, meeting a buddy who has a ridiculous number of wine club memberships. He's addicted, always says he will drop them after 6 months but doesn't. He's a big OSU fan so I guess that should be expected.
Good stuff... Enjoy! My personal favorite wines are zinfandel from the Dry Creek Valley region north of Healdsburg. Really enjoyed Talty and Wilson. Comstock was really good on a previous trip but didn't make it there last time. Foppiano is very small, but a nice experience.
Try to hit Russian River Brewing while there, especially since all the wineries close early and they're open for dinner. Good pizza and great beer.
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Good God, no.
Why?
Clearly you were not in attendance at the 1991 Cotton Bowl. Go find yourself a copy of it, watch it right now, and git yourself some religion, son.
So very, VERY disappointed in you right now. SMH.
Ed Zachery!!!
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It's not their fans, I've never met one and am pretty sure that's a mythical beast.
It's what the school and the administration and the coaches and the teams have done over the years, that earned them my loathing. And I hold long, long grudges. Eff Miami.
I don't know how many, if any, real fans they have, but the online creatures who call themselves Miami fans tend to be plenty loathsome.
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Good God, no.
Why?
Clearly you were not in attendance at the 1991 Cotton Bowl. Go find yourself a copy of it, watch it right now, and git yourself some religion, son.
So very, VERY disappointed in you right now. SMH.
That game is what happens when the talent disparity is so great, nothing can overcome it. The LOS the entire game was hilariously moved by Miami throughout the entire game. The Canes played such a flawed game and still just ran the Horns out of the building. The Texas OL might as well have been 5 big trash cans flipped upside down....
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Agree.
It also didn't help that most of the Longhorn offense was seen out partying in the Dallas West End the night before as late as 2 AM.
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The NCAA football rules committee met in Indianapolis in late February and voted to recommend a number of changes for the 2019 season. The final changes were approved by the Playing Rules Oversight Panel on April 22.
Targeting Foul Changes
The targeting foul has been one of the key rules in college football for a number of years. It carries the most severe penalty in the game: player disqualification. The rule calls for a player committing a targeting foul that is sustained by instant replay to be ejected from the game and suspended for the next half of play. This means that a player disqualified in the second half must also sit out the first half of his team's next game.
This year, the rules committee further strengthened the penalty, addressing the issue of repeat offenders. There is now a progressive penalty for targeting. Under the new rule, a player who is ejected for a third or more targeting foul anytime during the season also will be ineligible for the entire next game. For example, suppose a player is disqualified for targeting in two games any time during the season. If he then is ejected for a third or more targeting foul anytime during the rest of the season, he will be suspended also for the entire next game.
It does not matter when this additional foul happens: whether it is in the first quarter or the fourth quarter, he will be ineligible for the whole next game. Also, it does not matter when the next game is played. It might be during the bowl season, a national championship game or possibly the first game of the next season. It is the player's next scheduled game---whenever that is.
The role of instant replay in administering the targeting foul is also being changed. Every targeting foul goes for instant replay review, as in the past. However, starting in 2019 the replay official will look at all aspects of the play and make one of two rulings: either the call on the field is confirmed or it is overturned. A ruling of "stands" will no longer be possible for a targeting review.
Wedge Blocking on Kickoffs
For a number of years, the three-man wedge has been illegal on kickoffs. This is when three players on the receiving team align shoulder-to-shoulder within two yards of each other to block for the ball carrier. Beginning in 2019, this rule is even more restrictive: the two-man wedge will be illegal and will carry a 15-yard penalty. As in the past, the wedge is not illegal during an onside kick or when the play results in a touchback. The only change is that the two-man wedge is outlawed.
Blindside Blocks
A player delivers a blindside block when the opponent cannot see the block coming in time to defend himself. For a number of years, such a block has been outlawed as a targeting foul if it includes forcible contact to the head or neck area. In 2019, the new rules will broaden the restrictions for blindside blocks. It will now be illegal to deliver a blindside block by attacking an opponent with forcible contact, no matter where the contact is made.
The words attacking and forcible will be key for the officials on the field in calling this foul. If the contact is to the head or neck area, it is still a targeting foul. However, it will now be a personal foul even if by rule it is not a targeting foul—that is, even if the block is not to the head or neck area. The blindside block foul will carry a 15-yard penalty.
Overtime
This past season featured a game that went for seven extra periods. Although the vast majority of overtime games are decided much sooner—say, in two or three extra periods—there is the occasional game that goes longer. The rules committee feels that players may become extremely fatigued in such long games, thus making them much more susceptible to injury.
Beginning in 2019, starting with the fifth overtime, each team will have only one play: a two-point conversion attempt from the three-yard line. For a number of years, beginning with the third overtime a team that scores a touchdown must attempt a two-point conversion. This will still be true for the third and fourth overtimes, but when the fifth overtime begins, the new one-play-per-team rule will take effect.
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For a number of years, the three-man wedge has been illegal on kickoffs. This is when three players on the receiving team align shoulder-to-shoulder within two yards of each other to block for the ball carrier. Beginning in 2019, this rule is even more restrictive: the two-man wedge will be illegal and will carry a 15-yard penalty. As in the past, the wedge is not illegal during an onside kick or when the play results in a touchback. The only change is that the two-man wedge is outlawed.
"Shoulder-to-shoulder" and "within two yards of each other" are two very different concepts.
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perhaps, within 2 yards is north-south and shoulder to shoulder is east-west?
just guessing
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perhaps, within 2 yards is north-south and shoulder to shoulder is east-west?
just guessing
Hmmm. It doesn't read that way, really, but maybe so. Clarity in communication is not the NCAA's forte.
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Overtime
This past season featured a game that went for seven extra periods. Although the vast majority of overtime games are decided much sooner—say, in two or three extra periods—there is the occasional game that goes longer. The rules committee feels that players may become extremely fatigued in such long games, thus making them much more susceptible to injury.
Beginning in 2019, starting with the fifth overtime, each team will have only one play: a two-point conversion attempt from the three-yard line. For a number of years, beginning with the third overtime a team that scores a touchdown must attempt a two-point conversion. This will still be true for the third and fourth overtimes, but when the fifth overtime begins, the new one-play-per-team rule will take effect.
I haven't decided how I feel about ending a game that way, but I'm not convinced the NCAA is actually basing the change on player fatigue/injury susceptibility. That's almost laughable. Did they eventually discuss fatigue and injury susceptibility? I'm sure they did. But I'm also confident that the conversation didn't begin there. It likely began when TV outlets complained that games were lasting so long as to conflict with the schedule.
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Beginning in 2019, starting with the fifth overtime, each team will have only one play: a two-point conversion attempt from the three-yard line. For a number of years, beginning with the third overtime a team that scores a touchdown must attempt a two-point conversion. This will still be true for the third and fourth overtimes, but when the fifth overtime begins, the new one-play-per-team rule will take effect.
I thought Osborne's option offense was well suited for the 2-point conversion
regardless of the failed attempt in the 84 Orange bowl
Hopefully, Frost's spread RPO offense will be very efficient at picking up 3 yards when needed.
it wasn't last season
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I never understood Osborne passing there. You're Nebraska. You've come back and rolling on offense. Their defense HAS to be tired. Punch it in.
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So is this the final death of the remnants of the phalanx? lol
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Two drives. Miami plays conservatively, kicks a field goalon 4th and 1. Florida gets a three and out, but instead of going out they fake a punt and score on the next play.
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Miami looks competitive. As in they lead now.
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Halftime questions to coaches are useless. Zero info, trite responses.
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Florida made some good luck with fourth down calls, but had some bad luck with turnovers. But Miami's QB looks legit
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This game will not be shown in the hall of fame of tackling
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Florida unis look sharp. Great numerals.
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Florida is a QB away from being a great team
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Miami beefed it.
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Whew! 1-0
If not for just 2 certain plays, I'd feel a lot better about things.
-inexplicable late INT
-inexplicable late PI on 4th and infinity
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Grandly entertaining, Florida-Miami start to the season! The thing that stood out was the awful tackling across the board. Worth the lighter practices we’ll see more next week.
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I thought that that was a sloppy game with two teams that didn't look very good. ~???
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I thought that that was a sloppy game with two teams that didn't look very good. ~???
Yup. That's what happens when it's the season opener against a non-cupcake and both OLs are spotty.
I could watch the "This is Us" college football stuff 24/7, though.
And they need to get Lee Corso into a home....he literally got his own prediction wrong, saying one team and putting on the hat of the other. It's sad.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mgoblog/status/1165455848723931136
Heh
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Apparently the night game was also nutty, though with less defense, as Hawaii had 6 turnovers but held on to a 45-38 win because their defensive tackle ran fifty yards to tackle Khalil Tate at the 1 yard line to save the game at the gun.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1165510121369296898?s=20
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Whew! 1-0
-inexplicable late PI on 4th and infinity
YA I just turned it on and that.The only thing worse are DB's trying to pick a Hail Mary instead of spiking it away
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I'm not sure that is worse
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Halftime questions to coaches are useless. Zero info, trite responses.
yes, time would be better spent elsewhere
I'm certain the coaches fell that way
just give it up, it's tired
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hopefully, tackling issues can be resolved with better practice and game experience
Frost talks about tackling in practice. You need to practice it to be good.
apparently Frost tackles in space, but not between the tackles in practice
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Halftime questions to coaches are useless. Zero info, trite responses.
Gives the eye candy reporter something to do and feel productive
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Gives the eye candy reporter something to do and feel productive
she could do something more useful and look just as good
plus the coach could be doing his job, something important
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That's just crazy talk
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Hawaii won the nightcap vs Arizona.
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Zona - 11 point fav
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Hawaii won the nightcap vs Arizona.
Catch the last play
https://twitter.com/i/status/1165510523716128768
All in all not a bad opening week end entertainment wise,although I caught very little
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That play. Wow.
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Yup,wish he would have made it just to see if they go for the 2 pts
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Yeesh, that Miami-Florida game, might have been just about the lowest IQ football game I've ever seen.
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How do you only score 38 on Hawai'i? And that A on their helmets is as if they accidentally left their real logos on the mainland and had to run out to buy stickers last-minute.
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Yeesh, that Miami-Florida game, might have been just about the lowest IQ football game I've ever seen.
A Gator Alumni club takes over a bar a few blocks from my building so I had a lot of fun being loud with them to open College Football 2019. But yea, the running consensus was how sloppy the play was and the lack of mental toughness. I’m wondering if what we saw of the poor tackling in last night’s game is here to stay for the first few games of every season given how much less contact takes place in the practices leading up to the season. It’s like what you see in the NFL where offensive lines now play so poorly to start the first few games of just about every season.
As for Franks, I know he made some awful decisions, particularly on that 4th Q interception, but, IMO, his problems are fixable with some micromanaging from the coaches. He’s fully capable of executing an effective game plan as long as he remains focused, something which he half-assed last night.
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by the way... i picked the Hawaii win, but thought it would be 45-41 Hawaii... it was my lock of week.
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A Gator Alumni club takes over a bar a few blocks from my building so I had a lot of fun being loud with them to open College Football 2019. But yea, the running consensus was how sloppy the play was and the lack of mental toughness. I’m wondering if what we saw of the poor tackling in last night’s game is here to stay for the first few games of every season given how much less contact takes place in the practices leading up to the season. It’s like what you see in the NFL where offensive lines now play so poorly to start the first few games of just about every season.
Well everyone's "tackling" those inner-tube looking things instead of a live player who can bend and cut and juke. An inner tube, in my experience, doesn't do any of those things while rolling.
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How do you only score 38 on Hawai'i? And that A on their helmets is as if they accidentally left their real logos on the mainland and had to run out to buy stickers last-minute.
I made both points to my wife. She understood neither, and cared even less
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Melvin Gordon drops the hammer on Miami... Heh.
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Lol all them chains and jewelry and taking Ls.... y’all take it back until y’all know how to win (https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png)(https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png)(https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png)(https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png)(https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png). Couldn’t help it.
8:20 PM - 24 Aug 2019
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How do you only score 38 on Hawai'i? And that A on their helmets is as if they accidentally left their real logos on the mainland and had to run out to buy stickers last-minute.
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Kevin Sumlin as an HFC--minus Johnny Effing Football--is not too impressive.
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Letters in the varsity block font are actually quite common as football helmet decals.
They are old school, and you can usually obtain them a lot faster than custom helmet decals, and at a lower cost.
Normally I'd suspect a retro uniform, but given that it is their first game it is entirely possible that they waited to long to order their regular decals, and then had to pick those up in the meantime instead of playing a game or 2 with blank helmets.
Getting the regular ones express shipped overnight to Hawaii would probably cost more than the actual decals.
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@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58), this guy is voicing exactly my sentiment when it comes to the Gator’s (and Franks’) sloppiness Vs the Canes:
https://twitter.com/DerekJTyson/status/1165605607036133376
The Gators are in good hands; the schedule is the bigger worry, IMO.
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As a fan of a team that has had tackling issues for several years now, I think that that issue is not easily, quickly fixed. Poor tackling reflects a team culture that does not emphasize sound tackling and limits live tackling in practice. It's tough to change a team's defensive culture on the fly once the season starts.
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As a fan of a team that has had tackling issues for several years now, I think that that issue is not easily, quickly fixed. Poor tackling reflects a team culture that does not emphasize sound tackling and limits live tackling in practice. It's tough to change a team's defensive culture on the fly once the season starts.
agreed....
someone once said "being in position is about scheme; making the play/tackle is about skill"... And with any skill, muscle memory reigns supreme. we were told in training over and over- and in peacetime- "you'll fight like you train, if you aren't intense, you won't be there either". we blew the trainers off and loafed when not being observed. turns out that was never a truer statement.
it 'can' be recovered, but it takes repetition and repetition of repetition to make it 'stick'.... now, if it is a position thing? that is scheme... scheme can be 'quickly' recovered... it wasn't scheme in my teams woes over the last few years.. it was culture... and a weak strength and conditioning program.
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@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58), this guy is voicing exactly my sentiment when it comes to the Gator’s (and Franks’) sloppiness Vs the Canes:
https://twitter.com/DerekJTyson/status/1165605607036133376
The Gators are in good hands; the schedule is the bigger worry, IMO.
I think Florida will probably be ok, but not because I think Miami is better than expected, but because Florida played a bad game in the only sample we have, and were fortunate that it was against a team that wasn't good enough to take advantage. Every team has those games. If Florida is who we think they are, and has this game in October, nobody bats an eye, that's college football.
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agreed....
someone once said "being in position is about scheme; making the play/tackle is about skill"... And with any skill, muscle memory reigns supreme. we were told in training over and over- and in peacetime- "you'll fight like you train, if you aren't intense, you won't be there either". we blew the trainers off and loafed when not being observed. turns out that was never a truer statement.
it 'can' be recovered, but it takes repetition and repetition of repetition to make it 'stick'.... now, if it is a position thing? that is scheme... scheme can be 'quickly' recovered... it wasn't scheme in my teams woes over the last few years.. it was culture... and a weak strength and conditioning program.
Yep. Train the way you're going to fight, because you'll fight the way you train--at best. Nobody ups their game in their first combat.
Don't get me going on how Army Aviation trained when I was flying. But the highest priority was NOT how to kill the enemy and survive on/above a hostile battlefield.
Anyway, game prep now has priority. Fundamentals like tackling are now harder to address than they would have been last spring.
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Mullen is a good coach and I'm sure he'll be on it.Remember these kids are at least as jacked as we are for the games to begin
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As a fan of a team that has had tackling issues for several years now, I think that that issue is not easily, quickly fixed. Poor tackling reflects a team culture that does not emphasize sound tackling and limits live tackling in practice. It's tough to change a team's defensive culture on the fly once the season starts.
Team culture and what about, to a lesser extent, a conference culture? Was reading through my Lindy’s annual this weekend noted on the Oklahoma preview the statistical disparity between both sides of the ball: 1st in scoring O, 101st nationally in Total D.
The other notable thing was Big 12 recruiting. For each conference preview Lindy’s ranks the top 20 recruits coming into the conference and whereas most of the conferences are have their of top 20 across the conference (Big 10: Lots of OSU & Michigan followed by Penn St, MSU, Nebraska, Iowa, and Wisconsin landing a few) but in the Big 12 ALL incoming Top 20 recruits were split between only Texas and Oklahoma.
It’s like the Big 12 has Texas & Oklahoma at the top and absolutely no second tier before skipping down to a third tier.
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As a fan of a team that has had tackling issues for several years now, I think that that issue is not easily, quickly fixed. Poor tackling reflects a team culture that does not emphasize sound tackling and limits live tackling in practice. It's tough to change a team's defensive culture on the fly once the season starts.
Yup, Texas is a team that was just horrible at tackling through the end of the Mack Brown years, and all through the Charlie Strong years as well. Herman made it a point of emphasis and finally toward the end of his second year, the tackling improved.
I don't see it as something that can get fixed in the course of a season. The practice and the mindset have to already be present through all those spring and summer drills.
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Insofar as florida and Miami are concerned, and the slop fest they participated in the other night: its the first game of the season. Theyre a pretty good ways from gelling it appears.
Other than a few gross mistakes, I saw a UF D that is going to be nasty. I saw an O that needs more game speed reps. Theyre weak on QB.
Miami is going to have a solid D too, after a few games, but unless they find some sort of identity (much like UF) theyre gonna be hurting in offensive production.
Its easier to react than initiate, which is why games look sloppy. reaction is mostly instinctual... Initiating at the level those teams want to initiate takes a while to gel.
Apparently Hawaii and Arizona missed that memo, though. Then again, their respective D's are just plain lower level than headliners.
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Team culture and what about, to a lesser extent, a conference culture? Was reading through my Lindy’s annual this weekend noted on the Oklahoma preview the statistical disparity between both sides of the ball: 1st in scoring O, 101st nationally in Total D.
Which, was basically the inverse of Michigan State. MSU wound up 7-6 and in the RedBox Bowl, Oklahoma was Big XII champs and was in the CFP. So in case anyone was wondering which side of the ball you should excel in, if you can pick only one...
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I'm actually really optimistic.
1 - the OL got some trial-by-fire, IN A WIN, that will only help them going forward. They're green and that's the toughest front they'll face until LSU and possibly even until UGA. We couldn't run well, but getting that experience vs legit dudes in a win is big.
2 - 2 of the turnovers were literally just given away, which is unlikely to happen again.
3 - The tackling issues were there, but on the long TD, it was 2 CBs not making the play and on the passing TD, that was a backup safety in, because the better player was suspended for the game. The back 7 will tighten up, especially after that showing. They CAN, they just have to actually do it.
4 - We got the win in a sloppy, game. Maybe it was a grade D performance, but we're 1-0 going into a cupcake game. The offense will be able to run the plays how they're designed more freely and the OL will get to build on what they did by hopefully blowing some holes open.
If these players were static machines that always play the way they always play, I'd be freaking out. But they're not, and they'll improve, and there will be an ebb-and-flow to the rest of the season. Boy, I was jacked up at kickoff - I reeeeeally missed college football, as we all have.
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Team culture and what about, to a lesser extent, a conference culture? Was reading through my Lindy’s annual this weekend noted on the Oklahoma preview the statistical disparity between both sides of the ball: 1st in scoring O, 101st nationally in Total D.
The other notable thing was Big 12 recruiting. For each conference preview Lindy’s ranks the top 20 recruits coming into the conference and whereas most of the conferences are have their of top 20 across the conference (Big 10: Lots of OSU & Michigan followed by Penn St, MSU, Nebraska, Iowa, and Wisconsin landing a few) but in the Big 12 ALL incoming Top 20 recruits were split between only Texas and Oklahoma.
It’s like the Big 12 has Texas & Oklahoma at the top and absolutely no second tier before skipping down to a third tier.
Re the first paragraph, there are 9 other teams in the inappropriately named Big 12, and none of them demonstrate that level of disparity between offense and defense.
Re the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs, I don't know what any of that has to do with a culture of tackling (or not). But, yes, OU and UT are the big dogs of the conference.
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the Cyclones play defense
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Florida and Miami were alone in the national college football spotlight on Saturday night, as they opened the FBS schedule with a “Week 0” game in Orlando on national television.
Frost definitely took notice of the opportunity the game provided for the two programs, and said that Nebraska would likely jump at the chance to play in a similar Week 0 matchup in the future.
“If the circumstances were right, I think Week 0 is great,” Frost said. “I think the public is anxious for college football to start. You get to start practice a week earlier, so it shouldn’t really make a difference in your team’s execution. You get the same amount of practice before the game.
"If we are ever (presented that opportunity) I think it would be good for our team.”
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Shutdown Fullcast's breakdown was outstanding
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Florida and Miami were alone in the national college football spotlight on Saturday night, as they opened the FBS schedule with a “Week 0” game in Orlando on national television.
Frost definitely took notice of the opportunity the game provided for the two programs, and said that Nebraska would likely jump at the chance to play in a similar Week 0 matchup in the future.
“If the circumstances were right, I think Week 0 is great,” Frost said. “I think the public is anxious for college football to start. You get to start practice a week earlier, so it shouldn’t really make a difference in your team’s execution. You get the same amount of practice before the game.
"If we are ever (presented that opportunity) I think it would be good for our team.”
I liked the old Pigskin Classic and Kickoff Classic games from the 90s/2000s that were basically what we had last Saturday with the Gators/Canes and Rainbows/Wildcats. I believe Brutus mentioned it earlier, let's continue to have these Week 0 games, and refer to them as the Pigskin Classic and Kickoff Classic.
Oh, and while we're at it, go back to conference alignments and post-season from 1983. Thanks in advance...
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Shutdown Fullcast's breakdown was outstanding
What/who the hell is that?
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Yeah, I'm not sure why all the columns im reading keep referring to Week 0 games as a new thing. I also remember the Kickoff and Pigskin Classics from old Giants Stadium.
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I liked the old Pigskin Classic and Kickoff Classic games from the 90s/2000s that were basically what we had last Saturday with the Gators/Canes and Rainbows/Wildcats. I believe Brutus mentioned it earlier, let's continue to have these Week 0 games, and refer to them as the Pigskin Classic and Kickoff Classic.
Oh, and while we're at it, go back to conference alignments and post-season from 1983. Thanks in advance...
You're preaching to the choir most here would agree - but what you point out makes too much sense
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Shutdown Fullcast's breakdown was outstanding
Just looked them up and I quote - "The world's only college football podcast." - well that's not accurate
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Yeah, I'm not sure why all the columns im reading keep referring to Week 0 games as a new thing. I also remember the Kickoff and Pigskin Classics from old Giants Stadium.
Yeah, it expanded out to like 4-5 games by the turn of the century. I think MSU hosted Colorado State once in one for no reason.
But yeah, for about a decade there was one on Saturday and one on Sunday, and both were generally decent game. I remember attending the 1995 Michigan-Virginia one. Miserable experience. It was nearly 100 out, it was move in weekend on campus, mixed with a UM football game, you couldn't get anywhere. The ending was fairly memorable though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXxHNTipjMc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXxHNTipjMc)
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Just looked them up and I quote - "The world's only college football podcast." - well that's not accurate
It's the EDSBS (or whatever they are now) podcast
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I'm actually really optimistic.
1 - the OL got some trial-by-fire, IN A WIN, that will only help them going forward. They're green and that's the toughest front they'll face until LSU and possibly even until UGA. We couldn't run well, but getting that experience vs legit dudes in a win is big.
2 - 2 of the turnovers were literally just given away, which is unlikely to happen again.
3 - The tackling issues were there, but on the long TD, it was 2 CBs not making the play and on the passing TD, that was a backup safety in, because the better player was suspended for the game. The back 7 will tighten up, especially after that showing. They CAN, they just have to actually do it.
4 - We got the win in a sloppy, game. Maybe it was a grade D performance, but we're 1-0 going into a cupcake game. The offense will be able to run the plays how they're designed more freely and the OL will get to build on what they did by hopefully blowing some holes open.
If these players were static machines that always play the way they always play, I'd be freaking out. But they're not, and they'll improve, and there will be an ebb-and-flow to the rest of the season. Boy, I was jacked up at kickoff - I reeeeeally missed college football, as we all have.
Yep, if I were a Florida fan I’d feel the exact same way. Get the win anyway you can and try to improve from here. A win is a win, especially in week 1 against a pretty good team.
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Re the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs, I don't know what any of that has to do with a culture of tackling (or not). But, yes, OU and UT are the big dogs of the conference.
At this point I'm more so presenting commentary on the B12; 2 points based on looking at the conference's signing classes last FEB:
1. All of the Top 20 recruits signed with either OKLAHOMA or TEXAS
2. All of the Top 8 recruits are on the offensive side of the ball, 7 of those 8 are skill positions
Alex T: "A Two team conference emphasizing offense"
Jeopardy: "What is the Big 12"
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just thinking out-loud here, but imagine what happens if Miami lets Marshall Faulk play RB instead of asking him to play DB? Faulk was all but committed to Miami until Dennis Erickson flat out told him he's moving him to DB if he comes to Miami. Great move there, pal. As dominant as Miami was from '91 to '94- jesus christ imagine Marshall Faulk in the backfield?
Same thing with Florida and Steve McNair. McNair wanted to play QB. At Florida. Spurrier told him you're playing RB or DB if you come here. Imagine Florida starting him at QB from '91 to '94. Jesus. Spurrier probably has more than 1 national title if he takes McNair and starts him at QB.
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AJ Dillon comes to mind too.
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Michigan did the same thing with Dillon at LB. Michigan almost had him anyway ... and then he was gone.
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AJ Dillon comes to mind too.
Well, yeah.
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Michigan did the same thing with Dillon at LB. Michigan almost had him anyway ... and then he was gone.
You hittin' the sauce today bro?
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Not sure of the joke or the "well yeah" conversation you're having quoting yourself, but Dillon was committed to Michigan and then flipped to BC. And it seemed you were saying that UW wanted Dillon too, which I seem to recall being true (that these three teams made up his short list).
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I know the Dillon story, for sure. When he decommitted from UM, UW was his first call. But, they had JT in the fold and that was that.
It worked out OK for everyone involved, except for UM.
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AJ Dillon comes to mind too.
He's really really good, and I'd have loved to have him at Michigan. But he isn't on the level of Marshall Faulk or Steve McNair. You're talking about two of the ALL-TIME greats in college & pros right there. AJ Dillon is very good. Excellent player actually. He ain't nowhere near them dudes though. And he wouldn't have pushed Michigan over the top in 2017 or 2018 to a title.
Florida wins another title in the 90s with Air McNair as their starting QB imo and Miami wins another title with Marshall Faulk as their starting RB in the 90s imo.
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I know the Dillon story, for sure. When he decommitted from UM, UW was his first call. But, they had JT in the fold and that was that.
It worked out OK for everyone involved, except for UM.
Still not sure of the sauce joke. I figured you thought I was off-topic.
As for Michigan, that Dillon didn't want to be an LB has only negligibly hurt Ann Arbor. Michigan has among the (and perhaps *the*) best LB two-deep in the conference. And for depth, a solid veteran, and young talent, RB is not a problem for Michigan either. Dillon would have made either group even better, but that doesn't mean he was needed. If UW doesn't want him at LB, we should say the AJ Dillon thing worked out for truly everyone.
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Still not sure of the sauce joke. I figured you thought I was off-topic.
Not at all. It's just that you posted about Dillon, immediately in the post after I posted about Dillon.
(and then you started a new Michigan MTSU thread when we already had one, against convention)
:1rij:
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If UW doesn't want him at LB, we should say the AJ Dillon thing worked out for truly everyone.
UW wanted him at tailback, but got "stuck" with Taylor.
Who is the tailback at Michigan this year? Another 4* kid? I'll reserve judgement until I see production (and a depth chart, or not).
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At this point I'm more so presenting commentary on the B12; 2 points based on looking at the conference's signing classes last FEB:
1. All of the Top 20 recruits signed with either OKLAHOMA or TEXAS
2. All of the Top 8 recruits are on the offensive side of the ball, 7 of those 8 are skill positions
Alex T: "A Two team conference emphasizing offense"
Jeopardy: "What is the Big 12"
And, yet, even the "little" teams often hold their own in bowl games. IIRC, the Big 12 was second in the "whatever cup" for best bowl-game record last year.
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Florida wins another title in the 90s with Air McNair as their starting QB imo and Miami wins another title with Marshall Faulk as their starting RB in the 90s imo.
...except Faulk would've started at CB if he was a Cane.
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He's really really good, and I'd have loved to have him at Michigan. But he isn't on the level of Marshall Faulk or Steve McNair. You're talking about two of the ALL-TIME greats in college & pros right there. AJ Dillon is very good. Excellent player actually. He ain't nowhere near them dudes though. And he wouldn't have pushed Michigan over the top in 2017 or 2018 to a title.
Florida wins another title in the 90s with Air McNair as their starting QB imo and Miami wins another title with Marshall Faulk as their starting RB in the 90s imo.
Devil’s advocate post here. McNair isn’t an all time great NFL QB. He was a good, solid QB. He wasn’t an all-timer in either stats or accomplishments. Could he have pushed UF to a national title? Sure, I mean, who the hell knows? It’s not a crazy argument but not rock solid either. Would have been fun to see though.
The thing with Miami and Faulk is that Miami already was so damn good while Faulk was in college I’m not sure how much better he could have made them. They went undefeated and won a split title in ‘91. They went 11-1 in ‘92 and lost the national title by basically losing decisively to Alabama in the Sugar. Not sure Faulk makes them 3 TD’s better in that game.
He probably does make them better in ‘93 but I don’t if it’s national title better. They lost 28-10 to FSU so, again, I don’t know if a RB swings a game 18 points. They lost 17-14 to WVU and I can definitely see the argument with Faulk in the backfield maybe that’s a different outcome. Then they got blitzed by Arizona in the Fiesta. But if you imagine a win against WVU then they are playing a different, more important bowl and probably in the NC discussion. But even then they probably take WVU’s spot in the Sugar and even with a win it wouldn’t be enough to overcome FSU’s head to head win over them earlier in the year. Of course, in that scenario they are playing a Steve McNair led UF squad so who knows how that plays out. Right? Lol. I’m probably overthinking what just an off the cuff comment by you anyway.
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At this point I'm more so presenting commentary on the B12; 2 points based on looking at the conference's signing classes last FEB:
1. All of the Top 20 recruits signed with either OKLAHOMA or TEXAS
2. All of the Top 8 recruits are on the offensive side of the ball, 7 of those 8 are skill positions
Alex T: "A Two team conference emphasizing offense"
Jeopardy: "What is the Big 12"
Meh, I’ll start calling it a two team conference when Texas isn’t in a tie for 5th for best conference record since this configuration of the Big 12 started in 2012.
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Clones could be the 2nd team this season while playing some defense
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Who is the tailback at Michigan this year? Another 4* kid? I'll reserve judgement until I see production (and a depth chart, or not).
Tru Wilson is the veteran starter; the only thing he hasn't shown in his career is top-end speed, but he has great vision to make up for it (5.9 YPC in 2018) and could be M's best pass-protecting RB since Mike Hart. Otherwise, the RB depth chart goes 4-deep in terms of guys who've earned the snaps.
One of them, Zach Charbonnet (Shar-Bo-Nay), is the 5-star of the future. Harbaugh's first at RB. He's a TrFr now. Maybe 2nd or 3rd on the depth chart. A lot of promise with him (and he has the great coaching and great OL that none of Michigan's previous 5-star RB busts ever had), but yes the obvious thing is true: we will have to wait and see on him.
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Not at all. It's just that you posted about Dillon, immediately in the post after I posted about Dillon.
:1rij:
That was on purpose. You posted about Dillon and UW and I posted about Dillon and Michigan to emphasize the shared experience.
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...except Faulk would've started at CB if he was a Cane.
except...in my original post I said imagine if Miami had actually let him play RB. The only reason he ever wound up at San Diego State was because his dream school and really the only place he wanted to go- Miami- wouldn't let him play RB.
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Devil’s advocate post here. McNair isn’t an all time great NFL QB. He was a good, solid QB. He wasn’t an all-timer in either stats or accomplishments. Could he have pushed UF to a national title? Sure, I mean, who the hell knows? It’s not a crazy argument but not rock solid either. Would have been fun to see though.
McNair is only the best D-1AA/FCS college football player ever and he was the #3 overall pick in the 1995 NFL draft. He was much better than a good, solid QB. He was a great NFL QB for several years. His first two years in Houston were wasted years on the bench, but that was because he was playing for that idiot Jeff Fisher. McNair was among the elite of the elite QB's in the NFL for a good 5-6 year stretch. He basically carried a mediocre Tennessee team on his back to the Super Bowl in '99 and got them literally a yard away from taking the greatest show on turf to OT in the Super Bowl. He won the leauge MVP in 2003- he probably should've won it the year before in 2002 as well. He made multiple Pro Bowls and really was held back from being an all-time great NFL QB by two things: 1) his body broke down bc of all the injuries and 2) Jeff Fisher's dumbass. Jeff Fisher is one of the worst head coaches of all-time. Blows my mind how he kept NFL head coaching jobs for so long. It's astounding really.
You're underestimating just how good Steve McNair really was. The guy was unreal. Absolutely phenomenal. He was a bigger, stronger, more athletic version of Steve Young- except he had an absolute cannon. I'd have loved to see what McNair could've done working under an absolute maestro and offensive genius like Bill Walsh instead of a friggin moron like Jeff Fisher. I have a feeling you'd be talking about him as an all-time great.
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Tru Wilson is the veteran starter; the only thing he hasn't shown in his career is top-end speed, but he has great vision to make up for it (5.9 YPC in 2018) and could be M's best pass-protecting RB since Mike Hart. Otherwise, the RB depth chart goes 4-deep in terms of guys who've earned the snaps.
One of them, Zach Charbonnet (Shar-Bo-Nay), is the 5-star of the future. Harbaugh's first at RB. He's a TrFr now. Maybe 2nd or 3rd on the depth chart. A lot of promise with him (and he has the great coaching and great OL that none of Michigan's previous 5-star RB busts ever had), but yes the obvious thing is true: we will have to wait and see on him.
Lmao. What? I think you drink the kool-aid too much my man. Tru Wilson a veteran starter? Lmao. He's a walk-on who has shown basically nothing. Best pass protecting RB since Mike Hart? Huh? What? The RB chart goes 4-deep in terms of guys who've earned snaps? What?? The RB depth chart is this: Charbonnet or bust.
Charbonnet wasn't a 5* by the way. He probably should've been though.
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UW wanted him at tailback, but got "stuck" with Taylor.
Who is the tailback at Michigan this year? Another 4* kid? I'll reserve judgement until I see production (and a depth chart, or not).
UW got "stuck" with the right guy.
True frosh Zach Charbonnet should be the RB. If he isn't, I'll be flabbergasted. The RB depth chart sucks, and Charbonnet is CLEARLY the most talented.
And yes, he was a 4* but he probably should've been a 5*. He's the first RB that Michigan has recruited in a long time that I am legitimately excited about. Basically ever RB recruit since 5* RB Kevin Grady back in 2005 class has had some kind of hole or something you could nitpick about. Charbonnet is the best RB on paper at least- by a coutnry mile they've landed in like 15 years.
Kevin Grady - overweight, not that fast, played very weak HS compeition.
Carlos Brown - explosive athlete, very fast. never even played RB in HS however.
Derrick Green - see Kevin Grady. He was just a bigger, stronger version of Grady.
Kareem Walker - got ranked as an early 5* off of his monster frosh and soph. seasons, fell off in his junior and senior seasons and saw his recruit rankings free fall off cliff. Might've been a case of a guy peaking early and then regressing.
Antonio Bass, Jabrill Peppers, or Brian Cole would've been the best RB's that Michigan had in ages- except they didn't play any of those guys at RB. Bass was moved to WR and blew out his knee in a freak accident in practice. Peppers was moved to defense and was a 1st round NFL draft pick. Cole was moved to defense as well and he also got himself kicked out of school. Any one of them could've been a great RB- they were certainly explosive athletes with great physical builds, change of direction, burst, and speed. Michigan has been sorely lacking RB's with those kind of traits. For years.
Zach Charbonnet displays those kinds of physical traits and more and shows great burst and speed and power on film playing against the very best compeition in the state of California- was a dominant HS player who got better every year and oh yeah he's 6'1+ and 215+ as a true freshman. Honestly think he should've been a 5*. He looks way better than Kevin Grady or Derrick Green ever did. And he's bigger and faster and plays way better HS competition than those guys did.
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Tru Wilson is a veteran (is a redshirt senior) and is in the pole position on the depth chart (he is now a starter). I called him a veteran starter. Reality fits the definition of the words I used.
As for Tru's vision despite midlevel speed, that fits his performance last year. His 5.9 YPC was the best on the team.
And last year, Wilson was no doubt the team's best pass protector at tailback, meaning he was better than Higdon.
[EDIT: yes, Tru is an "elite pass protector":
https://mgoblog.com/content/preview-2019-running-back
he does things like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=21&v=qtOnWin-jzI
/EDIT]
As for Charbonnet, he was #38 in the nation according to 247 (#46 on the Composite). Top 50 used to be 5-star territory according to at least one of the services. Not sure when that changed.
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I remember hearing about Grady and purposely looking for him in UM games and was like "uhhhh, he's fat." And slow. And didn't run people over. And wasn't shifty.
Odd.
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Charbonnet is the best RB on paper at least- by a coutnry mile they've landed in like 15 years.
Kevin Grady - overweight, not that fast, played very weak HS compeition.
Carlos Brown - explosive athlete, very fast. never even played RB in HS however.
Derrick Green - see Kevin Grady. He was just a bigger, stronger version of Grady.
Kareem Walker - got ranked as an early 5* off of his monster frosh and soph. seasons, fell off in his junior and senior seasons and saw his recruit rankings free fall off cliff. Might've been a case of a guy peaking early and then regressing.
Obviously Kareem disappeared but IMO Brown was the head scratcher.Thought he would/should have made a much better accounting
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Jeff Fisher is one of the worst head coaches of all-time. Blows my mind how he kept NFL head coaching jobs for so long. It's astounding really.
Ya maybe because he looked good with his stache & shades or played the camera right.He got the Titans to the Big Dance once but not sure how much of that talent he drafted. HC for 24 seasons I think,screw up move up,he kept getting contracts.For as bad as many of his teams were he should have compiled better talent all those years.The type of coach the Browns seemed continually intersted in,surprised they never hooked up
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Jeff Fisher is one of the worst head coaches of all-time. Blows my mind how he kept NFL head coaching jobs for so long. It's astounding really.
The internet debate over whether July 9 or August 8 is Jeff Fisher Day is fantastic
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Ask Jared Goff how much of a dumbass Jeff Fisher was
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ask Buddy Ryan
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Ask Jared Goff how much of a dumbass Jeff Fisher was
Jeff Fisher didn't want to take Jared Goff just like he didn't want to take Vince Young. He got over-ruled by his owners both times. I'm pretty sure Jared Goff feels like Fisher is a huge dumbass. He's too classy of a guy to say anything like that publicly. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Goff talks shit about Fisher in private though.
Jeff Fisher tried his best to kill Jarred Goff's NFL career just like he killed Vince Young's once promising NFL career. Thankfully for Goff, the Rams owner has a brain and realized wait...my coach I hired actually sucks- and he fired Fisher's ass and went out and got a hell of a coach to groom Goff in Sean McVay.
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ask Buddy Ryan
Buddy Ryan's problem was his freaking ego. Maybe the best defensive co-ordinator of all-time. But boy was he a lousy head coach. If he wasn't such an ego-maniac and if he had just stayed in his lane- who the hell knows how many Super Bowls those Bears teams could've won. Those Bears defenses were very good after Buddy left, but they were never quite the same.
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Boy, I sure do wish you B10-types scheduled more like the mighty Gators....
Tulsa? South Alabama? Idaho?
Good grief.
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Obviously Kareem disappeared but IMO Brown was the head scratcher.Thought he would/should have made a much better accounting
I think Kareem Walker might've just been a case of a kid peaking early and then not improving or getting any better and everyone else in his age group just passing him bye. Walker had standout freshman and sophomore years, which is why he was a way too early 5* on 247's first rankings, and then he just kind of fell off a cliff as a junior and senior and he saw his rankings tumble from 5* and top 20 player to I believe being ranked like in the 370's. That's a huge tumble downwards.
Carlos Brown should've been way better than he was. That one is a head scratcher to me as well. He was an explosive athlete with great burst and top end speed. He played QB and DB in high school though, never even played the RB position. Might've been a case where he just didn't have the football IQ as a RB to be successful. A lot of that is instinct and just a feel for the position. He never had that. Incredible athlete though.
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I remember hearing about Grady and purposely looking for him in UM games and was like "uhhhh, he's fat." And slow. And didn't run people over. And wasn't shifty.
Odd.
If you look back in like Rivals' RB rankings from like 2002-2008, lot of RB's with Grady's body type were rated 5*'s. The bigger power backs were in more demand back then I suppose.
Grady was probably rated 5*'s just because of his sheer domination in high school. He put up crazy numbers but he was playing mostly crap competition. He wasn't playing the best the state of Michigan had to offer, not even close to it. He came to Michigan overweight, kept ballooning up and he wound up getting up to almost 250 and getting moved to fullback. He was fat. And slow. And not shifty. And he didn't run anyone over. Like you said. Odd.
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Boy, I sure do wish you B10-types scheduled more like the mighty Gators....
Tulsa? South Alabama? Idaho?
Good grief.
Michigan opened with ND last year on the road at night. And opened with Florida the year before that. And two years before that opened with Utah on the road at night. We're due a patsy for the opener this year.
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http://www.startribune.com/min...&om_mid=405701065&refresh=true (http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-park-board-reverses-field-hours-after-upseting-gophers-fans-in-tailgating-skirmish/558503082/?ref=nl&om_rid=1635722697&om_mid=405701065&refresh=true)
Yesterday the Minneapolis Park Board tried to put tailgating out of business at the East River Flats, neglecting to consider that it's the only tailgating (and only day-of-game parking) on the East Bank. The attempt didn't end well.
It feels more like a stay than a pardon, but I'll take it.
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Boy, I sure do wish you B10-types scheduled more like the mighty Gators....
Tulsa? South Alabama? Idaho?
Good grief.
like UT Martin and Towson?
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http://www.startribune.com/min...&om_mid=405701065&refresh=true (http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-park-board-reverses-field-hours-after-upseting-gophers-fans-in-tailgating-skirmish/558503082/?ref=nl&om_rid=1635722697&om_mid=405701065&refresh=true)
Yesterday the Minneapolis Park Board tried to put tailgating out of business at the East River Flats, neglecting to consider that it's the only tailgating (and only day-of-game parking) on the East Bank. The attempt didn't end well.
It feels more like a stay than a pardon, but I'll take it.
just hold out until after the Sharkwater North party!
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Boy, I sure do wish you B10-types scheduled more like the mighty Gators....
Tulsa? South Alabama? Idaho?
Good grief.
Not to stick up for my home-town team or anything, but Tulsa went into South Bend and beat Notre Dame (who finished 8-5) not too many years ago. And Texas had to struggle to beat them 28-21 in Austin last year.
The Notre Dame win (28-27) was in 2010. They finished that season by blowing out then-10-3 Hawaii in the Hawaii Bowl.
In 2011, they beat UCF in Orlando and lost 21-24 to BYU in the Armed Forces Bowl
In 2012, they beat Iowa State in the Liberty Bowl. Also that season they beat UCF in the C-USA CCG.
In 2013-14, they went 5-19, but they beat a Colorado State team that finished 8-6 in '13.
In 2015 they played OU pretty close in Norman, and lost to Va. Tech 55-52 in the Independence Bowl.
In 2016, they beat UCF again and blew out Central Michigan in the Miami Beach Bowl.
In 2017-18, they did the 5-19 thing again. But there was that close loss to Texas in there.
My point is not that they are great. But they do periodically jump up and beat someone that they have no business beating. I have no idea how good they will be this year, but I think they are not an automatic "cupcake" OOC opponent.
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Buddy Ryan's problem was his freaking ego. Maybe the best defensive co-ordinator of all-time. But boy was he a lousy head coach. If he wasn't such an ego-maniac and if he had just stayed in his lane- who the hell knows how many Super Bowls those Bears teams could've won. Those Bears defenses were very good after Buddy left, but they were never quite the same.
Yes, they were good on defense even after Buddy, but the entire defense (except the Fridge) and even some of the offense hated Ditka - another egomaniac.
In that strike year, Ditka said the "real" Bears were the substitute players on the field, and not the ones on strike. And then there was Flutie... That was the end.
I blame him more than anything for the Bears not winning more, like the '49'ers did in those days.
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like UT Martin and Towson?
Left out the Citadel
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Boy, I sure do wish you B10-types scheduled more like the mighty Gators....
Tulsa? South Alabama? Idaho?
Good grief.
Purdue plays 11 P5 schools this year and zero FCS. And we're not even one of the "good" B1G schools.
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There are 8 FCS vs G5 games on Thursday night.
How many does the FCS win?
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like UT Martin and Towson?
Well played
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Yes, they were good on defense even after Buddy, but the entire defense (except the Fridge) and even some of the offense hated Ditka - another egomaniac.
In that strike year, Ditka said the "real" Bears were the substitute players on the field, and not the ones on strike. And then there was Flutie... That was the end.
I blame him more than anything for the Bears not winning more, like the '49'ers did in those days.
Yeah, this is also true. Ditka was a huge egomaniac as well and his drafting/picking of offensive players and his ability as an offensive coach were definitely sorely lacking. Bears probably should've won 2 Super Bowls imo. Probably should've gone back to back in '85 and '86.
Bears never could've had a dynasty of winning 5 Super Bowls like the 49ers did though imo. They didn't have an architecht to put it all together like the great Bill Walsh. Bill Walsh to me is still the greatest NFL coach ever. He created the most succesful and copied offensive scheme in the history of the NFL that won 5 Super Bowls and turned two different QB's into NFL HOF'ers and Super Bowl champions. He was maybe the greatest personnel guy in the history of the NFL draft. Look at how many draft picks he just crushed. It's insane. He was also great at picking coaches. His coaching tree is littered with assistants who went on to win Super Bowls. Bill Walsh is the GOAT of NFL coaches. And it's not even remotely close imo.
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The other ego in the room, Mike McCaskey, decided he didn't need a GM anymore. Out went Jerry Vainisi and, before him, Jim Finks.
Finks resigned because of Ditka. He's the one who drafted the foundation of the team, and Vainisi followed him with some great drafts himself. Vainsi drafted Barry Sanders for the Lions too.
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Bears never could've had a dynasty of winning 5 Super Bowls like the 49ers did though imo. They didn't have an architecht to put it all together like the great Bill Walsh. Bill Walsh to me is still the greatest NFL coach ever. He created the most succesful and copied offensive scheme in the history of the NFL that won 5 Super Bowls and turned two different QB's into NFL HOF'ers and Super Bowl champions. He was maybe the greatest personnel guy in the history of the NFL draft. Look at how many draft picks he just crushed. It's insane. He was also great at picking coaches. His coaching tree is littered with assistants who went on to win Super Bowls. Bill Walsh is the GOAT of NFL coaches. And it's not even remotely close imo.
You do know Walsh's West Coast offense was taken when Sam Wyche,yes that Sam Wyche dusted off some of Paul Browns old playbooks in Cincinnati.Both coached there under PB.When Walsh didn't get the Bengals job in '79 which went to Tiger Johnson,he took the playbook and headed west to SF.The rest as they say is History.Those quick slants were being run by Otto Graham,Dante Lavelli,Mac Speedie in the '40s - '50s in Cleveland
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According to USA Today research, Nebraska is one of seven Big Ten schools that will pay opponents at least $1 million for a season-opening game:
» Michigan vs. Middle Tennessee: $1.6 million
» Penn State vs. Idaho: $1.45 million
» Ohio State vs. Florida Atlantic: $1.4 million
» Rutgers vs. Massachusetts: $1.3 million
» Nebraska vs. South Alabama: $1.2 million
» Iowa vs. Miami (Ohio): $1.2 million
» Illinois vs. Akron: $1.1 million
The priciest game, according to USA Today, will be Auburn's $1,937,500 payout to Tulane.
Nebraska will pay Northern Illinois $920,000 for its Sept. 14 game. That's technically cheaper than 2017, when the Huskers paid the Huskies $820,000 to play in Lincoln after shelling out more than $1 million to cancel a previous agreement with NIU to play the 2017 game at Soldier Field in Chicago.
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You do know Walsh's West Coast offense was taken when Sam Wyche,yes that Sam Wyche dusted off some of Paul Browns old playbooks in Cincinnati.Both coached there under PB.When Walsh didn't get the Bengals job in '79 which went to Tiger Johnson,he took the playbook and headed west to SF.The rest as they say is History.Those quick slants were being run by Otto Graham,Dante Lavelli,Mac Speedie in the '40s - '50s in Cleveland
This is completely inaccurate. Sam Wyche was a player for the Bengals in the late '60s, and he was coached by Bill Walsh- who was an OC, WR's and QB's coach for the Bengals from 1968 to 1975. Wyche was never even an assistant coach for the Bengals. He was only ever the head coach, and that came much later in the 1980s.
Bill Walsh basically invented the west coast offense out of necessity. The #5 overall pick in the draft and the Bengals first round draft pick in 1969 was a QB named Greg Cook- he was a "next John Elway" type 15 years before "the next John Elway" was ever a thing. He was 6'4, 225, very athletic, and had a cannon for an arm. Cook won the Bengals starting QB job as a rookie and tore his throwing shoulder terribly that rookie year- which basically ended his career. The back-up QB was a noodle armed journeyman named Virgil Carter- and Bill Walsh had to re-invent the Bengals entire offense- which had been a deep vertical passing game with Cook- on the fly because Carter didn't have the arm to make any throws down the field.
Bill Walsh didn't get the Bengals job in '76 and he went out to San Diego to be the Chargers' offensive co-ordinator and to work with HOF QB Dan Fouts. Stanford offered Bill Walsh the head coaching job the very next year in '77 so he took it, and he didn't leave to go to San Fransisco until '79.
Paul Brown was a petty old egomaniac who was insanely jealous of Jim Brown back in his Cleveland days, and insanely jealous of Bill Walsh in his Bengals days. Bill Walsh invented that offense and his intellect in football and in general made Paul Brown look like a dumb dumb. Bill Walsh was a freaking genius. Don't get it twisted.
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The other ego in the room, Mike McCaskey, decided he didn't need a GM anymore. Out went Jerry Vainisi and, before him, Jim Finks.
Finks resigned because of Ditka. He's the one who drafted the foundation of the team, and Vainisi followed him with some great drafts himself. Vainsi drafted Barry Sanders for the Lions too.
Barry Sanders is the best draft pick the Lions ever made. But I think anyone could've nailed that #3 overall '89 pick. Look at the two picks right after Barry Sanders- Derrick Thomas to the Chiefs and Deion Sanders to the Falcons. Three HOF'ers and three of the greatest players ever period drafted right in a row. You take any one of those guys at #3 and you made one of the best draft picks in franchise history. Vainsi was only in Detroit 1 year, so it's hard to say what he could've done if he had stayed longer.
I will say this, Vainsi did a pretty poor job with most of the Lions other 12 draft picks in 1989. Ray Crockett was very good, but the other picks were pretty bad. Which is pretty typical of most Lions drafts.
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Troy Aikman turned out pretty good at #1
the Packers got what they deserve in Tony Mandarich - could have had one of the other 3
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The paying of cupcakes is a brilliant business plan.....shell out money to a team that will put the fewest butts in seats. Sheesh.
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Speaking of Ditka and coaching and drafting.....everyone knows the legendary Cowboys trade of Hershel Walker to the Vikings for 3 future Super Bowl titles. It was a trade so lopsided that no one would ever repeat it....until Ditka did with the Saints. He traded nearly an entire draft to get Ricky Williams.
No matter who he drafted, he didn't learn from history. So he was doomed to repeat it. Something no one else ever wanted to repeat.
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the fewest butts at UNL is still a sellout and north of 80,000
perhaps not so much other places
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Speaking of Ditka and coaching and drafting.....everyone knows the legendary Cowboys trade of Hershel Walker to the Vikings for 3 future Super Bowl titles. It was a trade so lopsided that no one would ever repeat it....until Ditka did with the Saints. He traded nearly an entire draft to get Ricky Williams.
No matter who he drafted, he didn't learn from history. So he was doomed to repeat it. Something no one else ever wanted to repeat.
Minnesota Vikings General Manager Mike Lynn.
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Saw this on a Badger board. I think I'll just leave it here. I think she's probably a high 3 or low 4* based on her tenacity alone.
https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1166422052330516480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1166422052330516480&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231166422052330516480
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Speaking of Ditka and coaching and drafting.....everyone knows the legendary Cowboys trade of Hershel Walker to the Vikings for 3 future Super Bowl titles. It was a trade so lopsided that no one would ever repeat it....until Ditka did with the Saints. He traded nearly an entire draft to get Ricky Williams.
No matter who he drafted, he didn't learn from history. So he was doomed to repeat it. Something no one else ever wanted to repeat.
Washington fleeced Ditka and the Saints with the Ricky Williams trade. The Rams got a pretty sweet deal from the Colts when they traded Eric Dickerson too. Both Washington and the Rams pretty much blew every single one of the picks they got. That's the difference. Acquiring all those picks are great. What you do with them is way more important. Nobody murdered the draft quite like Jimmy Johnson. He knew how to pick great players. Probably the greatest personnel head coach there ever was. Jimmy wasn't an X's and O's guru, wasn't the most polished guy. But nobody knew football players like that guy. Nobody.
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Saw this on a Badger board. I think I'll just leave it here. I think she's probably a high 3 or low 4* based on her tenacity alone.
https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1166422052330516480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1166422052330516480&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231166422052330516480
looks like the Badger's center
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Saw this on a Badger board. I think I'll just leave it here. I think she's probably a high 3 or low 4* based on her tenacity alone.
https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1166422052330516480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1166422052330516480&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231166422052330516480
LMAO.
Arizona Cardinals should sign her to a contract. No bs- I bet she's probably better than at least 3 of their starting OL's.
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This is completely inaccurate.
You sometimes really have an inflated view of what you spout.You are right Walsh had more to say than Wyche who worked under BW in SF.Walsh & Paul Brown tinkered with it in Cincinnati.I saw a TV Interview with Walsh years ago who stated it was a variation of what PB ran with Otto Graham.I don't remember the who did the interview.When Greg Cook got hurt in Cinci they had to dial the passing game back for Virgil Carter who was accurate but couldn't go long(I see you google shit too).Brown remembering it worked years earlier.Brown was one of the most influential minds ever on the sidelines.Like a lot of HC's he could also be a Dick - but he also won.That's why the NFL Coach of the Year Award is called The Paul Brown Trophy.He's an egomaniac perhaps but he's shit more football knowledge than your family tree will ever know.
Here read this https://fansided.com/2016/09/06/paul-brown-nfl-browns-bengals-innovations/ (https://fansided.com/2016/09/06/paul-brown-nfl-browns-bengals-innovations/)
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Saw this on a Badger board. I think I'll just leave it here. I think she's probably a high 3 or low 4* based on her tenacity alone.
https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1166422052330516480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1166422052330516480&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231166422052330516480
The guy in the black/white dotted shirt who is losing it in laughter is by himself an important reason for there to be an internet.
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You sometimes really have an inflated view of what you spout.You are right Walsh had more to say than Wyche who worked under BW in SF.Walsh & Paul Brown tinkered with it in Cincinnati.I saw a TV Interview with Walsh years ago who stated it was a variation of what PB ran with Otto Graham.I don't remember the who did the interview.When Greg Cook got hurt in Cinci they had to dial the passing game back for Virgil Carter who was accurate but couldn't go long(I see you google shit too).Brown remembering it worked years earlier.Brown was one of the most influential minds ever on the sidelines.Like a lot of HC's he could also be a Dick - but he also won.That's why the NFL Coach of the Year Award is called The Paul Brown Trophy.He's an egomaniac perhaps but he's shit more football knowledge than your family tree will ever know.
Here read this https://fansided.com/2016/09/06/paul-brown-nfl-browns-bengals-innovations/ (https://fansided.com/2016/09/06/paul-brown-nfl-browns-bengals-innovations/)
I didn't google anything. I remember watching A Football Life documentary about Bill Walsh years ago. Must've watched that thing 3 or 4 times. Bill Walsh created that offense. Get over it.
I am not reading that. Sorry. Paul Brown was a great coach, obviously. Not the greatest ever and not even close. The main reason why he never became the greatest coach ever was because: he was a giant asshole. Jim Brown wound up hating his guts- the owner of the Browns Art Modell wound up hating his guts. You can be a dick as a coach, but the players and owners and coaches that work with you still have to like and respect you. Not only did Paul Brown pass up Bill Walsh for the head coach job of the Bengals, but the asshole blocked Walsh from getting other head coaching jobs in the NFL and bad mouthed him to the entire league. The apple didn't fall far from the tree- because his son Mike Brown is probably just as big of an asshole if not bigger. There probably isn't a worse owner in pro sports than Mike Brown.
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Ya sure repeated almost verbatim I remember watching Cook get get creamed.I do remember Walsh stating in an interview that it was a variation of what PB did.A lot of people thought Cook was all that.The quick slants were hardly anything new was not ground breaking either.Modell never did shit after PB was gone and moved the team while firing Bill Bellichik - that asshole?oh beautiful defense.And a few years ago on the other board when I had the nerve to compare Jimmy Brown to Barry Sanders you pointed out he beat women and kicked the hell out of some guy on a golf course that guy?More smashing testimony.Who then turned around and pissed off Modell by not reporting to camp instead staying on a movie set.So ya see your testimony isn't so rock solid.May be the 3 assholes deserved each other.
Off the top of my head guys who played/coached or both under Paul Brown - Chuck Noll,Bill Walsh,Don Shula,Weeb Eubanks not one ever stated that being affiliated with Paul Brown was detrimental to their careers.Al Davis,George Halas and Lombardi could be tremendous schwanzes too - but just win baby
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looks like the Badger's center
She's next. I'm guessing the blackshirts won't like her either. Hah!!
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Saw this on a Badger board. I think I'll just leave it here. I think she's probably a high 3 or low 4* based on her tenacity alone.
https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1166422052330516480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1166422052330516480&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231166422052330516480
That reminds me of an incident in the '90s.A buddy won pretty much everybody's cash at poker game so he takes the rest of us up to the corner dive bar to treat.We walk into this joint and there are like 11 people and 3 fights going on.There was one chick maybe 5'1" smacking the crap out of her big biker boyfriend in leather/bandana.This guy was the size of a Yeti and she's going all Bruce Lee on him - sort of like your video.This is the funniest shit the rest of us had ever seen we're all cackling at the other end of the Bar like the movie Gremlins.And the big goof is like "I'm sorrry Ho-o-oney".Next thing you know you could hear a pin drop and time stops and the wood chipper slowly turns her head and attention to us.The gang I was with were funnier than hell but we all froze as she's running a 4.3 towards us already tossing haymakers.We're half terrorized and belly laughing at the same time.It's hard blocking shots while your gasping for air from laughing.Anyway it's like the scene from Monty Python with the Killer Rabbit - only no one gets killed.She's taking multiple swings at us which we just shoved her back - repeatedly.And we can hear the big galloot at the other end"Oh,it's not so-o fu-u-nny now".Anyway she got tired from swinging and we got tired from laughing and we all went back to our corners.Then the barkeep kicks everyone out and closes shop,evidently he didn't think this crowd would be leaving tips.May have been the hardest I ever laughed
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She's next. I'm guessing the blackshirts won't like her either. Hah!!
lucky the Skers got that 340lb NT transfer from Okie State - she won't whip him as badly as if would have been
did you slip up or did you mean to call them the Blackshirts?
I'm waiting to see how they play D this season
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That is a great story Mr. N. Love it.
Blackshirts… they have never stopped wearing them, correct?
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correct, but they should have