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Title: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 09:55:52 AM

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2.  Avocados and Watermelon are berries, too.

3.  Cashews grow on Trees like this:
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4 And Brussel Sprouts grow in long stalks like this:
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5 Chocolate Milk was invented in Ireland .

6 Ketchup used to be sold as Medicine.

7 Carrots were originally purple.
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8 McDonald's sells 75 Hamburgers every second of every day.

9 Yams and sweet Potatoes are not the same thing.

10. Ripe Cranberries will bounce like rubber balls.

11. An average ear of Corn has an even number of rows, usually 16.

12. Betty White is actually older than sliced Bread.
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13. Humans share 50% of their DNA with Bananas.

14. Honey never spoils. You can eat 32,000-year-old Honey.

15. Peanuts are not Nuts.
They grow in the ground like this, so they are legumes.
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16. Vending machines are twice as likely to kill you than a shark is.

17. Coconuts kill more people than Sharks every year. So do Cows.

18. Pound cake got its name from its original recipe, which called for a pound each of Butter, Eggs, Sugar, and Flour.

19. The probability of you drinking a glass of Water that contains a molecule of Water that also passed through a Dinosaur is almost 100%.

20. Honey is made from nectar and Bee vomit.
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21. Pineapples grow like this:
22. Quinoa is the seed of this plant:
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23. Kiwis grow on Vines:
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24. Ginger is the root of a Plant:
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25. And Cinnamon is just the inner part of this Tree:
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26. Artichokes are Flowers that are eaten as buds.
This is what they look like when flowered:
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27. "Spam" is short for spiced Ham.

28. Popsicles were invented by an 11-year-old in 1905.

29. Apples, like Pears and Plums, belong to the rose family.

30. The official state Vegetable of Oklahoma is the Watermelon.

31. Peas are one the most popular Pizza toppings in Brazil :
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32. There are over 7,500 varieties of Apples throughout the World,
 and it would take you 20 Years to try them all if you had one each day.
 
33. The twists in Pretzels are made to look like arms crossed in prayer.

34. Canola oil was originally called rapeseed oil, but renamed by the Canadian oil industry
in 1978 to avoid negative connotations. "Canola" is short for "Canadian oil."

35. And no matter what colour Fruit Loop you eat, they all taste the same.

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You may not know:
 
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Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 12, 2019, 10:24:38 AM
Humid air is less dense than dryer air at the same temperature.

I used to grow Brussel sprouts, or "chu du Bruxelles", or even petite chu.

The MLB stadium at the highest altitude is Denver, the second highest is Atlanta (by a fair bit).



Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 12, 2019, 02:00:25 PM
The tomato is native to western South America. Wild versions were small, like cherry tomatoes, and most likely yellow rather than red. The Spanish first introduced tomatoes to Europe, where they became used in Spanish and Italian food. The French and northern Europeans erroneously thought them to be poisonous because they are a member of the deadly nightshade family. This was exacerbated by the interaction of the tomato's acidic juice with pewter plates. The leaves and immature fruit contains tomatine, which in large quantities would be toxic. However, the ripe fruit contains no tomatine.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 12, 2019, 03:41:22 PM
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Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: utee94 on August 12, 2019, 03:56:23 PM
Tabs on the end of aluminum foil boxes (and parchment paper and saran wrap) can be pushed in to hold the interior tube in place while unrolling.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.eatthis.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/push-aluminum-foil-tabs-in.jpg?resize=500%2C366&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 04:39:54 PM
Humid air is less dense than dryer air at the same temperature.
Kind of defies logic
94 why would you want to hold the tube - that would keep it from unrolling.Are you guys effing with me?
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 04:41:47 PM
saw it explained during a baseball game in Arlington TX by some smart guy - Physics 

the ball flys farther in humid hot air
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 04:42:46 PM
Natural spitball at work
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: utee94 on August 12, 2019, 05:06:43 PM
Kind of defies logic
94 why would you want to hold the tube - that would keep it from unrolling.Are you guys effing with me?

Rolls just fine, just prevents the tube from popping out.  Think of it like those horizontal paper towel holders.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 05:16:12 PM
Well Saran wrap was mentioned and that sure as hell will stick to the roll and itself
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: utee94 on August 12, 2019, 05:36:25 PM
Well that's kind of its purpose...
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 12, 2019, 06:48:22 PM
Humid air is less dense than dryer air at the same temperature.

saw it explained during a baseball game in Arlington TX by some smart guy - Physics

the ball flys farther in humid hot air
H2O is two Hydrogen atoms (atomic weight 1) and 1 oxygen atom (atomic weight 16). Total weight of molecule 18.

O2 is two Oxygen atoms, total weight of molecule 32. 

Atomic weight of Nitrogen is 14, and it is N2 in gaseous form, with a total weight of molecule of 28.

Generally nitrogen is about 79% of the atmosphere and oxygen about 20%, with the extra 1% a mix.

But water vapor, being lower molecular weight than either N2 or O2, would then make the air less dense when it takes up space in the atmosphere. 
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 07:43:15 PM
Well that's kind of its purpose...
So holding the roll in place will prevent the roll from spinning - dispensing the product.Engineer you're over thinking this :-[
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 07:47:34 PM
H2O is two Hydrogen atoms (atomic weight 1) and 1 oxygen atom (atomic weight 16). Total weight of molecule 18.

O2 is two Oxygen atoms, total weight of molecule 32.

Atomic weight of Nitrogen is 14, and it is N2 in gaseous form, with a total weight of molecule of 28.

Generally nitrogen is about 79% of the atmosphere and oxygen about 20%, with the extra 1% a mix.

But water vapor, being lower molecular weight than either N2 or O2, would then make the air less dense when it takes up space in the atmosphere.
How come when you launch a loogie it doesn't suspend surrounded by more Nitrogen/Oxygen,asking for a friend
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 07:55:24 PM
So holding the roll in place will prevent the roll from spinning - dispensing the product.Engineer you're over thinking this :-[
dude,

ya don't stick yer finger in the hole while dispensing

simply stick your finger in there to fold in the tabs that allow the roll to spin

my question is"  why not activate the tabs before shipping???  Why leave it up to ignorant consumers? 
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: utee94 on August 12, 2019, 08:00:57 PM
So holding the roll in place will prevent the roll from spinning - dispensing the product.Engineer you're over thinking this :-[

Good Lord you are worse than talking to my kids!

Holding the roll in place doesn't prevent it from spinning, it prevents it from coming out of the box.  It still spins, the tabs are just pins at either end of a cylinder, around which that cylinder can continue to spin freely.  They prevent the roll from coming out of the box when you're tugging on the sheet material.

This is about the stoopidest ongoing discussion I've had on a message board in at least 10 years.  Thanks for that! ;)


And yes Fearless, the tabs could certainly be deployed before shipping.  That would take one extra machine and one extra step. So there's your answer.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 12, 2019, 08:20:53 PM
dude,

ya don't stick yer finger in the hole while dispensing
Dood, the tell the wretch in the picture to get her thumb out of the hole holding the tube in place,and read what the short horn posted
Tabs on the end of aluminum foil boxes (and parchment paper and saran wrap) can be pushed in to hold the interior tube in place while unrolling.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.eatthis.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/push-aluminum-foil-tabs-in.jpg?resize=500%2C366&ssl=1)
Jeebis again what does holding the tube in place mean to you?You remind of one of those Tito swilling,Live Pilz Oktoberfest chugging :singing: keep Austin weird Kinky Friedman types-somebody get me a Great Lakes
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 12, 2019, 09:03:55 PM
Yeah, a "mole" of gaseous molecules takes up the same volume (ideally), so a lighter gas (molecular weight) will be less dense than a heavier gas.

Humid air "feels" heavy, but it isn't.  This is a small correction factor in flying, usually ignored.

The temperature of air cools off about 4.5°F for every thousand feet of altitude.  

If you know the dew point and the current temperature, you can approximate the bottoms of cumulus clouds in the air.

The term "knots" is used because it is related closely to degrees of longitude and latitude. 







Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 12, 2019, 09:19:36 PM
. . . The term "knots" is used because it is related closely to degrees of longitude and latitude.
???

I've heard two stories.  One is that it is just a short way of saying "nautical miles per hour" with odd spelling.
The other is that it derives from knots tied in a rope with a float on the end that was allowed to unroll off a sailing ship.  The knots were spaced so that however of them that went out over a certain number of minutes equaled the number of nautical miles per hour.
So what is this story with longitude and latitude?
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 12, 2019, 09:22:02 PM
Does humid air feel heavy because the moisture mixture in the air isn't plain gas, and so our lungs 'feel' it?  Is the moisture in the air absorbed by our clothes, thus feeling 'heavier'?


Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 12, 2019, 09:22:32 PM
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Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 12, 2019, 09:34:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oB8NwyV.png)
Hmmm.  Looks like a joke.

Have you known anyone who has tried it?  I think it would create a brown, dead spot as large as the area where you distributed this "fertilizer."
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on August 12, 2019, 09:55:29 PM
lol, it's from Fight Club
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: GopherRock on August 12, 2019, 10:02:33 PM
Per Wikipedia, a nautical mile was defined as one minute of latitude along any line of longitude. 
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MarqHusker on August 12, 2019, 10:28:41 PM
Investors cannot actually invest in an index, ex. S&P 500.   Instead you are investing in investment vehicles that attempt to track a particular index.  YMMV.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 12, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
Per Wikipedia, a nautical mile was defined as one minute of latitude along any line of longitude.
Yep.

My question was not about what it is, but how the name"knot" came about.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 12, 2019, 11:17:50 PM
what does holding the tube in place mean to you?You remind of one of those Tito swilling,Live Pilz Oktoberfest chugging :singing: keep Austin weird Kinky Friedman types-somebody get me a Great Lakes
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Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 13, 2019, 07:04:19 AM
Yep.

My question was not about what it is, but how the name"knot" came about.
I presume you know, right?  The sailing ships would calculate speed using a knotted rope lain along side the ship in the water to get "water speed".  The knots were separated by a standard length and a sailor would count as they passed it, one knot, two knots, etc.  

Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 13, 2019, 09:55:10 AM
I presume you know, right?  The sailing ships would calculate speed using a knotted rope lain along side the ship in the water to get "water speed".  The knots were separated by a standard length and a sailor would count as they passed it, one knot, two knots, etc.
Yes, I mentioned that in my response upthread to your statement that the term "knots" derives from lat and long.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: GopherRock on August 13, 2019, 09:56:54 AM
Strange. I thought that the term knot, when used in this context, was a bastardized version of nautical, not the knot-in-rope line. 
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 13, 2019, 10:15:57 AM
Strange. I thought that the term knot, when used in this context, was a bastardized version of nautical, not the knot-in-rope line.
That's the other story you get, as I also mentioned upthread.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 13, 2019, 10:19:04 AM
Strange. I thought that the term knot, when used in this context, was a bastardized version of nautical, not the knot-in-rope line.
apparently its both
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 13, 2019, 10:55:11 AM
The nautical unit of measure of speed (1630s) is from the practice of attaching knotted string to the log line at equal distances (see log (https://www.etymonline.com/word/log?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_43590) (n.2)). The ship's speed can be measured by the number of knots that play out while the sand glass is running.

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The distance between the knots on the log-line should contain 1/120 of a mile, supposing the glass to run exactly half a minute. [Jorge Juan and Antonio de Ulloa, "A Voyage to South America" 1760]

Hence the word knot came also to be used as the equivalent of a nautical mile (in pre-World War II use in U.S. and Britain, about 6,080 feet). A speed of 10 knots will cover ten nautical miles in an hour (equivalent to a land speed of about 11.5 mph).


Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 02:07:08 PM
Strange. I thought that the term knot, when used in this context, was a bastardized version of nautical, not the knot-in-rope line.
Same-same
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 02:09:48 PM
The nautical unit of measure of speed (1630s) is from the practice of attaching knotted string to the log line at equal distances (see log (https://www.etymonline.com/word/log?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_43590) (n.2)). The ship's speed can be measured by the number of knots that play out while the sand glass is running.

Hence the word knot came also to be used as the equivalent of a nautical mile (in pre-World War II use in U.S. and Britain, about 6,080 feet). A speed of 10 knots will cover ten nautical miles in an hour (equivalent to a land speed of about 11.5 mph).
That's all good and fine wind/weather/waves would factor into that.So kind of a shaky method of measurement
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: utee94 on August 13, 2019, 02:15:01 PM
Investors cannot actually invest in an index, ex. S&P 500.  Instead you are investing in investment vehicles that attempt to track a particular index.  YMMV.

You're saying I can't invest in the common stocks of all of the 505 companies that comprise the S&P 500?  Because I'm not sure you're right about that... ;)

If I did such a thing, then I would effectively be investing in the index.

Of course, what should the contribution percentage of the investment in each company be?  Would it be weighted?  Should it be related to MCAP?  Some common business multiple?  I'd have to think on how I would approach that.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 13, 2019, 03:06:20 PM
That's all good and fine wind/weather/waves would factor into that.So kind of a shaky method of measurement
It's just a measure of speed through the water, like airspeed indicators just measure speed through the air.  Water currents and wind of course change how movement through the media results in movement relative to the geographic grid.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 13, 2019, 03:09:15 PM
How come when you launch a loogie it doesn't suspend surrounded by more Nitrogen/Oxygen,asking for a friend
Flippant answer: I dunno. What'd you eat? I don't know what's in YOUR loogies!

Real reason: For the same reason rain actually falls to the ground. Water is much more dense in liquid form than vapor form. As long as it's liquid, it's much heavier (per unit volume) than nitrogen/oxygen gases. Just like liquid nitrogen will "sink" in the air because it's a more dense form than gaseous nitrogen.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 04:24:43 PM
It's just a measure of speed through the water, like airspeed indicators just measure speed through the air.  Water currents and wind of course change how movement through the media results in movement relative to the geographic grid.
Still a weird way to measure speed.Say you have a Mercruiser I/O at half throttle the boat speed is still predicated on wind,wave direction & height ,current.On a flat windless day you'll get more speed at the same throttle increments
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 04:29:59 PM
Flippant answer: I dunno. What'd you eat? I don't know what's in YOUR loogies!
Would an IPA loogie have longer hang time than say an Oatmeal Stoudt or Doppelbock loogie.Man this off season has been ridiculously brutal
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 13, 2019, 04:32:58 PM
Still a weird way to measure speed.Say you have a Mercruiser I/O at half throttle the boat speed is still predicated on wind,wave direction & height ,current.On a flat windless day you'll get more speed at the same throttle increments
a solid way to measure speed

your mercruiser going upstream on the Missouri river against a 12 mph current isn't the same as going downstream with the same current regardless of throttle position of RPM
speed is speed
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 04:37:17 PM
I understand going 35 mph down a road,I guess I'm thinking more along the lines of RPM.And FF you aren't factoring in those flying asian carp you have to duck - those'll slow you down
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 13, 2019, 04:38:48 PM
I'm a good ducker, thanks to the Ex-wife
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 13, 2019, 04:39:44 PM
In a plane, you have air speed and ground speed, both are important.  In a light plane you might have a group speed of say 60 knots which is fine and an air speed of say 30 knots, which would NOT be fine at all.  The same is true for a boat but you'd just lose steerage, you wouldn't fall out of the sky.

The two things meet when you land, which can get ticklish at times.

I recall flying one wintry day with my instructor in a Cessna 152 and we were doing about 40 knots ground speed at cruise throttle.  He was looking out the window for deer.

I could have flown it over one spot that day, you can maintain control under 40 knots air speed and we had more than that over the wing steady from wind.

I liked that plane a lot even though it was tiny.  It was easy to handle.  That's the one that I was flying when the engine quit.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MarqHusker on August 13, 2019, 04:42:13 PM
You're saying I can't invest in the common stocks of all of the 505 companies that comprise the S&P 500?  Because I'm not sure you're right about that... ;)

If I did such a thing, then I would effectively be investing in the index.

Of course, what should the contribution percentage of the investment in each company be?  Would it be weighted?  Should it be related to MCAP?  Some common business multiple?  I'd have to think on how I would approach that.
You're stealing my lines.  I always say this to people when they say they invest in an index.  I ask them about their trading costs of execution, and their weights and how are they able to dollar cost average 500+ holdings at $2k a month? Do they really use Robin Hood?
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 13, 2019, 04:46:29 PM
Still a weird way to measure speed.Say you have a Mercruiser I/O at half throttle the boat speed is still predicated on wind,wave direction & height ,current.On a flat windless day you'll get more speed at the same throttle increments
Does the accuracy of the speedometer vary with wind and wave movements, though?
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 04:48:57 PM
Does the accuracy of the speedometer vary with wind and wave movements, though?
No but the speed your going I'm just lost in the translation trying to correlate
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 04:49:59 PM
I liked that plane a lot even though it was tiny.  It was easy to handle.  That's the one that I was flying when the engine quit.
Never heard that story,did you glide it down?did you get it restarted?did you jump with a chute
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 13, 2019, 04:53:05 PM
Does the accuracy of the speedometer vary with wind and wave movements, though?
I'll defer to Capt Badger, but yes, the boats I'm used to measure speed through water under the boat.  Now if you use your GPS device.....
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 13, 2019, 04:54:54 PM
No but the speed your going I'm just lost in the translation trying to correlate
I think I'm missing the point that you are making.

In a boat, what better way has there been (prior to GPS) to measure speed than measuring speed through the water?

If you know that you are in a current--the Gulf Stream, for instance--then you compensate for that when you are calculating where you think you are if you are using dead reckoning navigation.  If you are using celestial navigation, then you get better fixes on your location.

Longitude: The True Story of a Lone Genius Who Solved the Greatest Scientific Problem of His Time is a good book about how the thorny navigational problem of figuring longitude was solved.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: rolltidefan on August 13, 2019, 05:07:57 PM
Still a weird way to measure speed.Say you have a Mercruiser I/O at half throttle the boat speed is still predicated on wind,wave direction & height ,current.On a flat windless day you'll get more speed at the same throttle increments
isn't this true of drive on land as well? it's immaterial in real world, but theoretically the wind and/or movement of the earth should effect land speed.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 13, 2019, 05:26:12 PM
Never heard that story,did you glide it down?did you get it restarted?did you jump with a chute

The short version is this.  It was a beautiful November day and I thought I'd take my son who was about 12 flying and teach him a bit about navigation.  There was an airport in Indiana that had cheap gas, so we flew there, had a coke, filled up, and I took off.   I was climbing out and the engine which had been newly rebuilt seemed to be laboring.  I reached about 2,000 feet above ground level and it was missing notably.  I made a mayday call at that point and was trying to reach Richmond, Indiana airport, and about 3 miles north of that the engine seized, quite dramatically, shook the plane, and quit.  I dead sticked into a soy bean field that was cleared.

Made the Dayton 11 o'clock news, caused quite a ruckus.

The hilarious thing is we eventually got a flat bed tow truck out into the soy bean field and got the Cessna on the bed and tied it down and drove it to the airport with a police escort shutting down the road.  I got the tow bill, I was treasurer for the flying club, and it was $200.  Only in rural Indiana.

The engine had a new cylinder in it, and apparently the rings were seated improperly.  That cylinder melted down, I have photos of it somewhere.  Broke the crank.

You basically land dead stick anyway if you set it up right.  I had barely enough room in that field, which was muddy, and I was skidding while braking a bit, you can brake each wheel independently.  I did not want to ground loop, and didn't.  Made for an interesting log entry in my book.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 05:34:56 PM
Damn white knuckler for sure,bad enough you're trying to keep your composure let alone thinking of the safety of a child.Did you ever get your mitts on or rattle the cage of the hacks that "fixed" the craft?What's dead sticking?asking for CW
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 13, 2019, 05:39:23 PM
Would an IPA loogie have longer hang time than say an Oatmeal Stoudt or Doppelbock loogie.Man this off season has been ridiculously brutal
IPA wouldn't have great hang time... I'm thinking the viscosity is too low. Specific gravity of an IPA usually finishes lower than the stout or dopplebock though, so if you're high enough that wind resistance becomes a factor when the loogie lets go, it will be less dense and might take slightly longer to reach the ground. 

If you want hang time, the protein remaining from the oatmeal is your best bet. 
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 13, 2019, 05:42:10 PM
In a plane, you have air speed and ground speed, both are important.  In a light plane you might have a group speed of say 60 knots which is fine and an air speed of say 30 knots, which would NOT be fine at all.  The same is true for a boat but you'd just lose steerage, you wouldn't fall out of the sky.

The two things meet when you land, which can get ticklish at times.

I recall flying one wintry day with my instructor in a Cessna 152 and we were doing about 40 knots ground speed at cruise throttle.  He was looking out the window for deer.

I could have flown it over one spot that day, you can maintain control under 40 knots air speed and we had more than that over the wing steady from wind.

I liked that plane a lot even though it was tiny.  It was easy to handle.  That's the one that I was flying when the engine quit.
Been there. Buddy was a pilot and we went up in a 152 once on a very windy day. Held it just shy of stall against the stiff wind. I think we had negative ground speed.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 13, 2019, 05:42:32 PM
The problem was blamed on the engine company in Texas.  We had some issues with them, and I was about to get a lawyer on our side when the NTSB report came in.  They paid up, for an entirely new engine which was about $37,000 cash.  Usually a rebuild is about $20,000, but we had no core to sway out.  I had a lawyer call me to sue for damages personally and told him to leave me alone.

My flight instructor used to get me into some fairly complex manuever and he'd reach over and pull the throttle to idle and tell me I had an engine out and if I didn't do the procedure quickly he'd be annoyed with me.  I had gone through it a hundred times.  My problem was the 20 minutes or so flying without enough power and losing altitude trying to make the airport.  We had not done more than talk about that, you can't simulate it, and I couldn't decide whether to land off airport with some power or try to make the field (which was shut down to all traffic for me).

That airport is surrounded by trees and I was just north of where the trees get heavy.  I would have had to land on a highway had I gone another half mile.

It was almost a relief when the engine quit.  I knew what to do then.  I had communication with Dayton approach and the guy there was a pilot who was helping me check on this and that.  I was able later to thank him.  

Of course you don't make any practice mayday calls, and when I made mine I expected to hear something, but there was a long pause, so I made it again, and the guy was scrambling around the control tower for a headset.  That was a long silence for me.  1997.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 13, 2019, 05:46:12 PM
isn't this true of drive on land as well? it's immaterial in real world, but theoretically the wind and/or movement of the earth should effect land speed.
But it won't affect speedometer measurement, which is based on wheel RPM, assuming a known tire diameter.

That's why when you put on wheels/tires that have a slightly different diameter (like going from 32" to 35" tires on an off-roader) you have to recalibrate your speedometer. 
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 08:52:46 PM
IPA wouldn't have great hang time... ....
Thank You I will certainly carry that with me for the rest of my days
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 13, 2019, 08:53:53 PM
That's why when you put on wheels/tires that have a slightly different diameter (like going from 32" to 35" tires on an off-roader) you have to recalibrate your speedometer.
That makes perfect sense
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 13, 2019, 09:12:47 PM
you have to recalibrate your speedometer


is that something that can be done more easily with the computer these days?


Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Kris60 on August 14, 2019, 07:33:25 AM
The short version is this.  It was a beautiful November day and I thought I'd take my son who was about 12 flying and teach him a bit about navigation.  There was an airport in Indiana that had cheap gas, so we flew there, had a coke, filled up, and I took off.  I was climbing out and the engine which had been newly rebuilt seemed to be laboring.  I reached about 2,000 feet above ground level and it was missing notably.  I made a mayday call at that point and was trying to reach Richmond, Indiana airport, and about 3 miles north of that the engine seized, quite dramatically, shook the plane, and quit.  I dead sticked into a soy bean field that was cleared.

Made the Dayton 11 o'clock news, caused quite a ruckus.

The hilarious thing is we eventually got a flat bed tow truck out into the soy bean field and got the Cessna on the bed and tied it down and drove it to the airport with a police escort shutting down the road.  I got the tow bill, I was treasurer for the flying club, and it was $200.  Only in rural Indiana.

The engine had a new cylinder in it, and apparently the rings were seated improperly.  That cylinder melted down, I have photos of it somewhere.  Broke the crank.

You basically land dead stick anyway if you set it up right.  I had barely enough room in that field, which was muddy, and I was skidding while braking a bit, you can brake each wheel independently.  I did not want to ground loop, and didn't.  Made for an interesting log entry in my book.
Shit.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 07:49:39 AM
The problem was blamed on the engine company in Texas.  We had some issues with them, and I was about to get a lawyer on our side when the NTSB report came in.  They paid up, for an entirely new engine which was about $37,000 cash.  Usually a rebuild is about $20,000, but we had no core to sway out.  I had a lawyer call me to sue for damages personally and told him to leave me alone.
You probably could have cleaned up in a court case.You mentioned you had issues with them,they can't send aircraft up like it's the Skunk Works,Area 51 or Wright-Patterson.These idgits should realise reliability comes into play and it's no time to work the kinks out when one is thousands of feet in the SKY.Did you or the organisation get a new plane out of it?
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 14, 2019, 08:07:24 AM
Our flying club got the check and the other board members wanted to buy a different airplane, a 172, which they did, and that plane had so many issues it broke the club.

It had apparently been underwater in Alaska.  I was against buying it, but I had no idea it was in such bad shape.

I didn't think I personally incurred any damages like "pain and suffering".  It was clearly not my fault, but I landed safely with no damage to anything.  I thanked my instructor when I got home for his training.  Ha. 

The good thing about a light plane like that is you can land it almost anywhere there is an opening.  I could land it in a very short distance on pavement.  You have to demonstrate that when you do your flight exam.  I really liked flying the 152, but the 172 was just OK to fly, it wasn't as easily handled in my opinion.  It's larger, four seats instead of two, with a more powerful engine of course, and heavier.  It just seemed bulky to me, Ha.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 08:13:05 AM
Ya a week or two ago s small plane landed in the surf in Fla (I think).So they scrapped the plane you landed in the field?So your club purchased a model from Trans - Debris Airlines huh?
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 14, 2019, 08:18:44 AM
We sold the plane I landed to a club member for $5000.  He was building his own plane and was going to use the gauges.  He never finished his plane though.

I wanted to put a new engine in the 152, would have been choice.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 08:21:56 AM
Must be nice to have the coin to purchase planes then let them sit unfinished in a garage somewhere.Provided nothing befell him
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 14, 2019, 08:25:26 AM
I never saw it, he had some kind of kit plane, probably not that expensive.  He was the sort who claimed to be very handy, and perhaps he was, but he worked and had no time.  He was in charge of maintenance of our club planes (two of them).

Most of the board members worked for GE Aircraft Engines and were engineers.  The club name was "Jet Flyers" and dated from the 1950s when folks thought we'd have jets to fly around in 10 years.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on August 14, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Must be nice to have the coin to purchase planes then let them sit unfinished in a garage somewhere.Provided nothing befell him
If it flies, floats, or f***s, it's better to rent. 
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: MrNubbz on August 14, 2019, 10:10:14 AM
HA!Truth
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: utee94 on August 14, 2019, 10:28:11 AM
you have to recalibrate your speedometer


is that something that can be done more easily with the computer these days?




Yes.  For my F150, for example, if you have access to a scanner (electronic device that communicates with the onboard computers and downloads/uploads data and tune information) then it's one simple change, you just let it know the new tire diameter in a single field.  
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 14, 2019, 10:47:59 AM
sweet, thanks

when I bought snow tires I simply checked dia
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 14, 2019, 05:48:07 PM
Been there. Buddy was a pilot and we went up in a 152 once on a very windy day. Held it just shy of stall against the stiff wind. I think we had negative ground speed.
I once read a story from the days of post-WWI barnstorming.  A guy in a Curtiss JN-4 Jenny trying to drum up a crowd flew over a small town with a little airstrip, to which he had sent his ground support truck, nearby.  The Jenny cruised at 52 knots.  Stall speed was something like 20-25 knots.  So he pulled into a stiff wind over the town and throttled back to zero groundspeed.  After a crowd gathered, he dropped a weighted note to the crowd telling them that he needed help because his elevator was stuck.  There was nothing the people on the ground could do, of course, but the crowd grew.
After a bit, he increased throttle and flew slowly to the airstrip.  The crowd followed to the airstrip, he got his mechanic to quickly "fix the problem," and refuel the airplane.  He then he sold rides to everyone who would pay the $5.00 (or whatever) fee.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 14, 2019, 06:10:05 PM
The unusual thing about flying as slow as possible in one of these planes is that you do it at full throttle, which perhaps also is counterintuitive.

Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 14, 2019, 06:18:55 PM
The unusual thing about flying as slow as possible in one of these planes is that you do it at full throttle, which perhaps also is counterintuitive.
I've only got a couple of hours in fixed-wing aircraft, but I'm guessing that you'd use full throttle and also full flaps, yes?
The JN-4 had no flaps.  I don't think flaps had been invented yet.  With a Jenny, in that situation, you would throttle back to minimum airspeed required to maintain altitude.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 14, 2019, 09:53:34 PM
Yup, full flaps nose in the air, full power steer with the rudder.  Air speed under 40.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 14, 2019, 10:42:34 PM
Yup, full flaps nose in the air, full power steer with the rudder.  Air speed under 40.
That sounds disconcerting.  Something like hovering a helicopter at 10,000 feet with the ground about 9500 feet below you.
I flew an Apache at 10,000 feet over Big Bend National Park, and even at 120 knots it felt like we were standing still.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 15, 2019, 06:19:06 AM
It's actually kind of fun, obviously at 4,000 feet AGL though.  It's something you do in training to get a feel for the airplane right at stall.  It's probably nose up at about 20°, feels like more.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: CWSooner on August 15, 2019, 01:11:49 PM
Speaking of your dead-stick landing, I never thought about how it got its name till I saw something by the History Guy on Youtube the other day.

Per the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge:


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A deadstick landing, also called a dead-stick landing, is a type of forced landing when an aircraft loses all of its propulsive power and is forced to land. The "stick" does not refer to the flight controls, which in most aircraft are either fully or partially functional without engine power, but to the traditional wooden propeller, which without power would just be a "dead stick".

Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 09:06:20 AM
I did not know that, also assumed it meant the control stick.

Huh.

Yeah, it was dead in my case, after 15 minutes or so of running rough and losing power.  I was down to 1000 feet AGL at the end.  I turned to the field on my left and had to clear some power lines first and then I had to really lose altitude fast so I dropped the flaps and put the nose down, kind of like a short field landing.  I was probably doing 75 knots when I touched down and the field was muddy there in the middle and I couldn't brake.  There was an elevated dirt road looming but the field dried out enough to where I could brake and then turn at the end to avoid the road.

I couldn't raise Dayton on the ground, so I shut it down and we got out, and then a plane from Richmond airport flew over us, I recognized it, it was the 182 they used for jumping, had the door out.  So, I got back on the radio and told him we were fine, could they send a truck.  I had no clue where we were on the ground, couldn't see anything.  In about 5 minutes this red truck comes bouncing over the field and the guy rolls down his window and asks if we're OK and I say yes and he tears off away from us.  In another 5 minutes, the cavalry arrives, 2 sheriff's cars, a firetruck, and an ambulance, bouncing over this field at high speed.  I thought they were going to run us down.  The firemen were terribly disappointed there was no fire.  The paramedics wanted to check us out, but I declined so they were bummed out.

Then in about another 30 minutes the news vans arrived, two from Dayton.  TBC.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: FearlessF on August 16, 2019, 09:26:16 AM
this poor dirt farmer lives a boring life
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: utee94 on August 16, 2019, 09:45:21 AM
I loathe flying and would certainly never willingly get in a plane "for fun."

However, I like traveling to distant locations, so flying is a necessary evil for me.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 11:30:32 AM
So, I'm sitting in the sheriffs car, and it's a lady and she is quite attractive despite wearing body armor, and the news vans pull up.  She told me I could talk or not, and I said I would, I wanted to thank the controller in Dayton, and did.  The lead in to the 11 PM news was "Excitement in the skies over Richmond" and then a commercial.

I go back to the nice lady sheriff and we're chatting about what needs to be done and I say for her to contact the NTSB.  We go through that for a bit and she says "What do you want to do with the plane?" and then suggests calling a tow company, which arrives as I noted before.  We spent over an hour going about 2 miles to the airport.  They had two guys with poles pushing branches out of the way and ensuring we could clear electrical lines.  Meanwhile, the boy was supposed to go to his mom's for dinner as it was her weekend, so I get patched through and get her answering machine and leave a message that I had to make a "precautionary landing" at Richmond and could she come pick us up.  A bit later she calls the number I left which was the sheriff's office and the dispatcher says "Oh, you mean the guy who landed in the soy bean field?" so the ex goes ballistic for a bit.  I had to tell the lad to quit laughing, he thought this was great fun now.

We get to the airport and drop the plane (I mentioned the tow bill came to $200 somehow) and are waiting and the boy sees posters for sky diving and asks me if he can do that next weekend.  I demurred.  The ex picks us up, drops me off at my house, and has her dinner with the other kids, I missed the news, but my kids saw it.

The lady Sheriff gave me her phone number but I never called her about anything.  She really was good looking and professional to boot.  Missed op.
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: utee94 on August 16, 2019, 11:44:01 AM
So, I'm sitting in the sheriffs car, and it's a lady and she is quite attractive despite wearing body armor, and the news vans pull up.  She told me I could talk or not, and I said I would, I wanted to thank the controller in Dayton, and did.  The lead in to the 11 PM news was "Excitement in the skies over Richmond" and then a commercial.

I go back to the nice lady sheriff and we're chatting about what needs to be done and I say for her to contact the NTSB.  We go through that for a bit and she says "What do you want to do with the plane?" and then suggests calling a tow company, which arrives as I noted before.  We spent over an hour going about 2 miles to the airport.  They had two guys with poles pushing branches out of the way and ensuring we could clear electrical lines.  Meanwhile, the boy was supposed to go to his mom's for dinner as it was her weekend, so I get patched through and get her answering machine and leave a message that I had to make a "precautionary landing" at Richmond and could she come pick us up.  A bit later she calls the number I left which was the sheriff's office and the dispatcher says "Oh, you mean the guy who landed in the soy bean field?" so the ex goes ballistic for a bit.  I had to tell the lad to quit laughing, he thought this was great fun now.

We get to the airport and drop the plane (I mentioned the tow bill came to $200 somehow) and are waiting and the boy sees posters for sky diving and asks me if he can do that next weekend.  I demurred.  The ex picks us up, drops me off at my house, and has her dinner with the other kids, I missed the news, but my kids saw it.

The lady Sheriff gave me her phone number but I never called her about anything.  She really was good looking and professional to boot.  Missed op.

Not quite a Hooky Hornstein level story, but it'll do. ;)
Title: Re: Interesting Things YOU Likely Don't Know
Post by: Cincydawg on August 16, 2019, 11:45:40 AM
Well, nobody posts at the HH level of posting.  TO be anywhere close is a high compliment.