So this looks like a relatively uneventful week with just three ranked teams losing and two of those losing to other ranked teams:The first two weeks of the schedule are trash. Even those Week 1 neutral site games aren't any good aside from Auburn-Oregon
- #12 aTm loses relatively close on the road to #1 Clemson, and
- #6 LSU loses at #10 Texas, and
- #20 Stanford loses on the road to a USC team that has votes in the preseason poll
So it looks like minimal top-25 changes again with:
- #12 aTm dropping just a few spots, and
- #6 LSU and #10 Texas probably roughly flipping spots, and
- USC replacing Stanford near the bottom of the poll, and
- everybody else roughly holding serve
You realize Purdue is playing TCU, not SMU, right?
- PURDUE d. SMU
You realize Purdue is playing TCU, not SMU, right?Yeah, they'll beat whatever letters Texas throws at them
Yeah, they'll beat whatever letters Texas throws at themI do hope you're right. If Purdue starts 3-0 as you predict, it should be a pretty solid year.
i'm guessing clemson won't let cuse sneak up on them this year. i'd take clemson comfortably.
Saturday, September 14
ESPN College Gameday, live from Syracuse, NY
#22 Syracuse 31, #1 Clemson 30
i'm guessing clemson won't let cuse sneak up on them this year. i'd take clemson comfortably.Not so much a matter of sneaking up, remember, I'm still high on Syracuse this year, had them #10 in my countdown. At home, prime time, with Gameday there. First trip for the show to upstate New York. Cuse has only been featured on Gameday twice, both on the road, both nearly 20 years ago. #16 Syracuse lost to then #4, but eventual #2 Michael Vick and VT 62-0 in 1999; and then #14 Syracuse got pounded by that #1 Miami freight train 62-0 in 2001.
#16 Syracuse lost to then #4, but eventual #2 Michael Vick and VT 62-0 in 1999; and then #14 Syracuse got pounded by that #1 Miami freight train 62-0 in 2001.That has to be the worst Gameday record in the country. 0-2 by a combined 124-0, ouch!
That has to be the worst Gameday record in the country. 0-2 by a combined 124-0, ouch!Sorry, should be 59-0 and 62-0, so just 121-0
"just"Hey, 3 points is 3 points!
Hey, 3 points is 3 points!It's a whole half of MSU football!
QuoteHey, 3 points is 3 points!
It's a whole half of MSU football!
If ELA is right, this one is going to be the battle of 1-11 teams...
- MARYLAND d. RUTGERS
Mizzou might make it to 8-0.They've been a paper tiger (no pun intended) a couple times in the past decade
In real life.
down to 4 teams in the top 25 after starting with 7That's funny. I count 25. :)
Yep. Who'd Texas lose to?the Horns always find a way to lose one early that they shouldn't ;)
WVU? Wow! I thought that Holgorsen had left the cupboard pretty bare in Morgantown.
so, you'd rather lose early and be dropped in the poll, rather than be undefeated until late and have all the media attention and hopes and dreams of winning the playoff?I don't care that much one way or the other about that. My issue with the schedule is that I think it is EXTREMELY difficult to maintain the necessary level of intensity to beat high-end opponents week-after-week-after-week.
Florida was a VERY good team overall from 1992-2005. In spite of that, they never managed to win those four in a row. Then in 2006 they started playing a patsy the week before FSU and won those last four in 2006 and 2008.Well, the schedule might account for some of that. But Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow might have something to do with it too.
For OSU breaking in a new head coach, you don't want some time to work out the kinks before facing the toughest opponents?It might actually be an advantage this year but my complaint isn't just about THIS year, this is a recurring theme in future B1G schedules for Ohio State:
Well, the schedule might account for some of that. But Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow might have something to do with it too.Oh they definitely did, but it isn't like the 1992-2005 Gator squads were chopped liver. Those were some great teams and Spurrier was a phenomenal coach.
I'm really trying to feel sorry for you, but no, that's not a tear.
That 2025 schedule is a doozie. The Buckeyes open the season in Austin against the Longhorns then have an open date (TBD) then a home game against Washington. Their B1G-W crossovers are Wisconsin, Iowa, and Northwestern and they finish the season with back-to-back-to-back-to-back games against the Wildcats, Nittany Lions, Spartans, and Wolverines. That is the type of schedule on which a very good team could end up 6-6.
well, 9 of those 14 years there was a loss to FSU.
Florida was a VERY good team overall from 1992-2005. In spite of that, they never managed to win those four in a row. Then in 2006 they started playing a patsy the week before FSU and won those last four in 2006 and 2008.
It might actually be an advantage this year but my complaint isn't just about THIS year, this is a recurring theme in future B1G schedules for Ohio State:Don't let @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) know.
- 2020: Illinois before Michigan, ok
- 2021: PSU before Michigan again
- 2022: Maryland before Michigan, ok
- 2023: Minnesota before Michigan, ok
- 2024: MSU before Michigan
- 2025: MSU before Michigan and PSU before MSU, ugh
That 2025 schedule is a doozie. The Buckeyes open the season in Austin against the Longhorns then have an open date (TBD) then a home game against Washington. Their B1G-W crossovers are Wisconsin, Iowa, and Northwestern and they finish the season with back-to-back-to-back-to-back games against the Wildcats, Nittany Lions, Spartans, and Wolverines. That is the type of schedule on which a very good team could end up 6-6.
can definitely see the loss in college station, but i'd be extremely surprised at that scoreline.No, just my picks
you doing this on ncaa14?
WEEK 7
Saturday, October 12
ESPN College Gameday, live from College Station, TX
#16 Texas A&M 31, #1 Alabama 3
can definitely see the loss in college station, but i'd be extremely surprised at that scoreline.
you doing this on ncaa14?
No, just my picksWow, my reaction is the same as RTF. I could see a loss but yikes, a blowout would be a humongous story!
well, 9 of those 14 years there was a loss to FSU.I think the point is that with the elite ending the year with 4 "big" games (rival, CG, Semi, NC), your champion becomes one of attrition, and not necessarily the best team playing its best.
That was going to happen to most teams regardless of schedule
I think the point is that with the elite ending the year with 4 "big" games (rival, CG, Semi, NC), your champion becomes one of attrition, and not necessarily the best team playing its best.Eh, but looking at it another way, if the best teams are playing each other at the end, the team playing the best at the end wins.
Ha typo. 31-30Totally unbelievable.
I think the point is that with the elite ending the year with 4 "big" games (rival, CG, Semi, NC), your champion becomes one of attrition, and not necessarily the best team playing its best.I understand and I agree to an extent
Eh, but looking at it another way, if the best teams are playing each other at the end,Right, but neither team is playing at its best.
the conferences like to match up the best teams at the end for drama of the conference championship and the hope of a national titleI know tOSU/M have been playing in late November since the 40's,long before TV ratings factored in.At that time it wasn't a slam dunk tOSU was the 2nd best team in the conference,Minnestota and later Sparty had some stout squads who had National aspirations.Sprinkled in with Indiana,Purdue,Iowa,UW & the Illini
obviously, this is how the game became "the game"
Right, but neither team is playing at its best.Agreed.
It's like 2 boxers in the 13th round rather than the 3rd round. Not saying it's better or worse, but it's definitely different.
I know tOSU/M have been playing in late November since the 40's,long before TV ratings factored in.At that time it wasn't a slam dunk tOSU was the 2nd best team in the conference,Minnestota and later Sparty had some stout squads who had National aspirations.Sprinkled in with Indiana,Purdue,Iowa,UW & the IlliniIt is even longer than that. THE GAME was moved to the end of the season in 1935. 1934 appears to be a transitional year with THE GAME second to last for both teams before NU for Michigan and Iowa for Ohio State.
I still prefer that our game occupy the final weekend, but some argue Michigan would (currently) be better off with it mid-season. That argument goes something like this: OSU has been the better recruiter this decade, but this margin shows more clearly in the teams' depth charts than their September starter lists. So playing when banged up, which is most likely at the end of the year, activates alarm bells at a higher rate for Michigan than for OSU.Another thing about playing late in the year is that a lot of the big upsets in the series are far less shocking in retrospect than they were at the time. Examples:
Should we also go back to 8 conference games like Florida?
Florida altered their schedule to get out of this exact problem and my contention is that what the Gators did was smart, we should copy them!
Should we also go back to 8 conference games like Florida?Eh, that is a completely separate question.
In the name of fairness....
I feel like both questions are pushed by the Big Ten Network and the Big Ten commish to drive TV ratings and revenueI guess part of my objection is that it just feels "bush league" to me. If I were the commissioner of a G5 Conference I would definitely backload the schedules for my best teams because the only way to get them ratings/attention is for them to have, at most, one loss deep into the season.
yes, having the Buckeyes play well in the playoff and possibly the national champ game are worth big dollars, but the end of season ratings for games matching highly ranked teams is a given and more in their control.
Should we also go back to 8 conference games like Florida?Sure, if you play an FSU-caliber program OOC every year....
In the name of fairness....
I agree, but apparently B1G Jim does not, or submits to the BTN wishes
THIS ISN'T THE AAC or the MAC, THIS IS THE B1G! We don't need to play these kinds of rinky-dink schedule games because we have major HELMET schools.
Sure, if you play an FSU-caliber program OOC every year....not many of that caliber around, even fewer are willing to play home and home non-con series
not many of that caliber around, even fewer are willing to play home and home non-con series
I've always given the Gators props for this. And ya know I dislike giving the Gators props
it's not impossible, yet I agree with you
old Huskers still yearning for the Sooner game after all these years
Yup, I love that UF and FSU play every year OOC, and I also love seeing Clemson-South Carolina and UGA-GaTech (even if CD doesn't like it :57:).Same.
Times are different now though, this isn't the 40s/50s/60s (or 1890s, 1900s, 1910s, 20s, or 30s either).
We're not going to see anyone start a new annual OOC game, just not gonna happen.
I'm sure it wouldn't happen, but some helmet programs from the fertile recruiting states perhaps should invent an annual OOC rivalry if they are lacking one. Something like A&M vs Miami or USC vs Texas. It would benefit both sides.I get why they don't. But as a fan, you are going to play some cupcakes. I'd rather watch WVU-Marshall than WVU-WKU or something.
As for other potentials ELA listed, it would elevate one program and wouldn't benefit the other, name-brand school.
Damn in lieu of recent conversations I hope your PSU/M prognostication is spot on.Not fond of the other pick - pot stirrer or Friday Night CFB either
Friday, October 18Saturday, October 19
- NORTHWESTERN d. #2 OHIO STATE
#21 PENN STATE d. #13 MICHIGAN
Yup, I love that UF and FSU play every year OOC, and I also love seeing Clemson-South Carolina and UGA-GaTech (even if CD doesn't like it :57:).No love for ISU/Iowa?
Times are different now though, this isn't the 40s/50s/60s (or 1890s, 1900s, 1910s, 20s, or 30s either).
We're not going to see anyone start a new annual OOC game, just not gonna happen.
WEEK 8If Ohio State loses one and only one game, this is probably the best one to lose. Losing on a Friday night to a pretty good opponent that does NOT take control of destiny away is just about a minimal of damage as any loss could be. Ohio State would still control their own destiny at least to the B1GCG and probably beyond.
Friday, October 18
- NORTHWESTERN d. #2 OHIO STATE
2, 4 and 6 all go down, plus a couple more in the top 25. that'd be a fun weekend.All told he has:
All told he has:This will create a MAJOR shakeup in the top-25:
- #2 losing to an unranked team
- #4 losing to #16
- #6 losing to #22
- #13 losing to #21
- #15 losing to #10
- #23 losing to an unranked team
- #25 losing to an unranked team
Not many undefeateds left.I noticed the same thing. The total number of potential undefeated teams is even lower:
That's a P5/G5 matchup.Let the Big 12 poach CSU and BYU. CSU has the bones to be competitive (with a shiny new stadium), and BYU is already a de facto P5 program. Also, I think the Big 12 is a better fit for BYU culturally than the PAC, as the Big 12 is far more religious as a whole, and will almost certainly honor BYU's desire to sit out on Sundays.
This will create a MAJOR shakeup in the top-25:i know it's after ela already posted, but no way #6 lsu drops to 20 after losing to a top 25 team, even with 2 loses. i think 15-16 is more reasonable.
- For #2 tOSU and #4 Oregon this is their first loss so they should probably only slide to about #10ish.
- For #6 LSU, #13 Michigan, and #15 WVU this is their second loss so this should probably drop them to about #20ish.
- #16 Washington has a huge win and a bunch of fortuitous losses in front of them so they should climb into the top-10.
- #21 Penn State and #22 MissSt have big wins and will move up considerably.
- #23 Baylor and #25 Purdue drop out.
So my guess is:
- Georgia
- Syracuse
- Clemson
- Alabama
- Washington
- Wisconsin
- Oklahoma
- Texas
- aTm
- ND
- Oregon
- Ohio State
- Mississippi State
- Penn State
- Utah
- Missouri
- Fresno State
- Boston College
- Florida
- LSU
- Michigan
- Iowa State
- Iowa
- Northwestern
- OkSU
i know it's after ela already posted, but no way #6 lsu drops to 20 after losing to a top 25 team, even with 2 loses. i think 15-16 is more reasonable.I could see it. ELA has Michigan at 21, with their losses being only to top teams (#5 and #19).
I could see it. ELA has Michigan at 21, with their losses being only to top teams (#5 and #19).yes, but mich was #13 at time of 2nd loss. i'd expect both to drop about 8-10 spots, which they both did. and would put lsu in the 14-16 range, and mich in the 21-23 range.
I just noticed UNC is 0-8. Folks in Chapel Hill are not expecting that (duh).Horns fans might
As the season approaches, I'm getting more bullish about Minnesota.We dont want too many on the bandwagon I rather be a quiet 5-0 going into the Nebraska game and healthy
Honestly, Minnesota could get to 8-0 without too many surprises. Its schedule is heavily back-loaded. The "tough" games in the first 8 are at Purdue and home vs. Nebraska. But the finish is Penn State, at Iowa, at Northwestern, Wisconsin.I agree. If there's a word of caution, though it's about unpredictability. Minnesota was significantly better than I expected last year, but even if you had given me their final record, there's no way I'd have predicted those specific wins and losses. Had they been a *little* more consistent in 2019, and not lost the weird games to Illinois and Maryland (and maybe including Nebraska), their hype would be through the roof right now.
I think that would be bad. What record would be the beginning of "ok yeah, we can be happy with that for now?"not sure, but losing to Ohio St, Minnesota, and Purdue, before playing Wisconsin is not enough
I'm happy, but seeing Syracuse at #1 makes me pause.better not be REAL, Huskers just lost to the Badgers AGAIN
Maybe this isn't real.
@ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) is higher on cuse than just about anyone else I can think of. He’s not in the “they’re good not great but play no one” camp. He thinks they’re legitimately good. And he does a hell of a lot more research than I do who am so to argue.
However, he’s now got bama losing twice. And I don’t like that so it must be wrong and he’s an idiot that doesn’t know anything.
@ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) is higher on cuse than just about anyone else I can think of. He’s not in the “they’re good not great but play no one” camp. He thinks they’re legitimately good. And he does a hell of a lot more research than I do who am so to argue.Correct, I had them #10 in my countdown. And aside from a home date with Clemson, they haven't played anyone.
However, he’s now got bama losing twice. And I don’t like that so it must be wrong and he’s an idiot that doesn’t know anything.
better not be REAL, Huskers just lost to the Badgers AGAINI'm not down on Nebraska's overall trajectory, I just think the hype is a year ahead of schedule. I had them in the low 40s in my countdown I believe, I think aside from the corners, the defense has a chance to actually be worse than last year.
and at home during the Sharkwater party!!!
In this scenario bama just lost the sec west. aTm is now 6-0 in sec with 2 games left and the tie breaker win over Bama, who is 4-2 now.Within this hypothetical, are you saying that Bama would be mathematically eliminated or just that they would be eliminated for all practical purposes? I could check ELA's results and the SEC tiebreakers but I thought I'd just ask you first.
I don’t know MSU losses but they’re also 4-2 right now. And they also have tie breaker win over bama.
Not sure how LSU fits in but they could potentially join this crazy tie.
I agree 10-2 is a realistic outcome with 11-1 most likely and 12-0 about as likely as 10-2.
I'm not down on Nebraska's overall trajectory, I just think the hype is a year ahead of schedule. I had them in the low 40s in my countdown I believe, I think aside from the corners, the defense has a chance to actually be worse than last year.as you know, I'm not putting the Huskers in the top 25, so your low 40's is fine by me
For sure practically but depending on LSU and MSU loses maybe mathematically as well. aTm might have won it outright already, though I don’t think so. I think they still have LSU to play, which if they lose last 2 and LSU wins last 2 could give LSU and maybe MSU and/or bama life. But seriously doubtful.Here is what I have:
Just looked and aTm has uga and LSU left so could definitely be 2 losses there.
aTm beat both bama and MSU.
Bama is definitely out. Has 2 secw losses while aTm even with 2 losses 1 would be east.
Not sure on LSU or MSU.
My GUESS here, going out on a limb, is that there could be some errors and the season doesn't play out exactly like this. I COULD be wrong of course.I get that, but I'm still interested in how the tiebreakers would work both because I want to know for this scenario and because they tend to become important in at least a few of the P5 conferences late in each season.
Has ELA ever hit it 100%???My success rate would have me in the MLB HOF
if not, what's the highest percentage in the past 5 seasons?
How about the highest percentage in the B1G?
I have a lot of issues with whoever wrote these tie breakers. They are:
- H2H: Tied in this case, all 1-1.
- Divisoinal Record: Tied in this case, all 5-1.
- Record against the next highest placed team in the division, then the next, then the next, etc: Tied in this case, all 1-0 against all of the others.
- Record against all common conference opponents: Tied in this case, the only conference opponents common to all three are the other four members of the B1G-E and all three teams are 4-0 against them.
- Conference Record of non-divisional conference opponents. See Below
- Record against the best team in the other division, then the next, etc. NOTE that 1-0 IS better than 0-0: See Below
- Overall winning percentage excluding exempted games: Tied in this case because they all went 3-0 OOC and none of them had any exempted games.
- Random Draw
Has ELA ever hit it 100%???If he got anywhere near 100% he should drop everything and move to Vegas.
if not, what's the highest percentage in the past 5 seasons?
How about the highest percentage in the B1G?
I have a lot of issues with whoever wrote these tie breakers. They are:On your dislike for favoring the team with the worst loss, I don't disagree with you but I've found that most people disagree with us.
- First, ties should be defined by division record (rather than making division record a tiebreaker), perhaps making conference record the #2 tiebreaker
- If the tying teams were each 1-1 H2H2H and also had one other intradivisional loss each, what a bummer that tie breaker #3 is intended to go to the team with the WORST second loss
- #5 is fine to me
- Re: #6, again if it gets this far, the tie breaker goes to the team with the WORST extradivisional loss -- woofsville
- #7 is fine insofar as it improves the odds of the champ being the most CoFoPO-attractive ... but that also makes the whole set of tiebreakers somewhat nonsensical, since TBs #3 and #6 have the opposite effect
NOVEMBER 17The CFP race is getting REALLY interesting in @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) 's scenario.
- Syracuse (10-0)
- Clemson (10-1)
- Oklahoma (9-1)
- Texas A&M (9-1)
- Georgia (9-1)
- OHIO STATE (9-1)
- Washington (9-1)
- WISCONSIN (9-1)
- Oregon (9-1)
- Florida (8-2)
- Alabama (8-2)
- Texas (8-2)
- Utah (9-1)
- PENN STATE (9-1)
- Mississippi State (8-2)
- MICHIGAN (8-2)
- Notre Dame (8-2)
- Iowa State (8-2)
- Fresno State (10-0)
- Boston College (8-2)
- LSU (7-3)
- Miami (8-2)
- Cincinnati (9-1)
- Central Florida (9-1)
- Boise State (9-1)
The SEC had a 3 way tie in the East in something around 2007. Three teams were 6-2, all 5-1 in division, and each had beaten each other.The Big 12 South had a 3-way tie in 2008. OU, Texas, and Texas Tech all finished 7-1 in conference, 4-1 in division. Each had beaten the team that beat the other team. The last tie-breaker was BCS ranking. Texas was steamed, as the Horns had beaten OU on a neutral field while OU beat Tech at home. The conference tie-breaker rules got changed after lobbying from Mack Brown. It think that they became this: eliminate the lowest-ranked team and then have head-to-head record between the top two as the decider.
The tie breaker was the drop the lowest ranked team in the BCS and then use head to head.
| ACC | Syracuse vs. Miami |
| BIG XII | Oklahoma vs. Iowa State |
| BIG TEN | Ohio State vs. Wisconsin |
| PAC 12 | Washington vs. Utah |
| SEC | Georgia vs. Texas A&M |
| AAC | Cincinnati vs. Houston |
| CUSA | Florida Atlantic vs. UAB |
| MAC | Buffalo vs. Toledo |
| MWC | Utah State vs. Fresno State |
| SBC | Troy vs. UL Monroe |
That gives you the following matchups for Championship Weekend (putting these out there so medina can correct me if needed)This is what I have as well. If you look a little deeper, Ohio State nearly clinches before the Michigan Game because heading into the final weekend the Buckeyes', Wolverines', and Nittany Lions' non-Divisional opponents conference records would be:
Big Ten East: Ohio State over Michigan and Penn State, based on tiebreaker #5, tougher crossover divisional opponents (Michigan (14-13), Ohio State (18-9), Penn State (16-11))
That gives you the following matchups for Championship Weekend (putting these out there so medina can correct me if needed)That is what I have as well. MissSt and aTm are both 2-1 H2H2H2H while Bama and LSU are both 1-2. That takes out Bama and LSU and the remaining two teams revert to the two-team H2H tiebreaker where aTm wins.
SEC West: Texas A&M over Alabama, LSU and Mississippi State. Alabama and LSU are eliminated by going 1-2 against the group, then Texas A&M over Mississippi State based on H2H win
Man, this was tough. I'll take input, to see if anyone thinks this would line up differently. And I don't mind retroactive changes.TCU was an 11-1 Big 12 co-champ in 2014.
You had Syracuse - Clemson - Oklahoma - Georgia going into the CCGs, with 1 loss Utah down at #10
Syracuse, Oklahoma, Georgia and Utah all won, Clemson didn't play in theirs. Would Clemson drop from #2 to #5, with Utah jumping all the way up to #4 based on their CCG win? Would they have been higher than #10 at 11-1? They had previously played one game against a ranked team (@Washington), and lost, before winning the rematch. Their best wins had been over 8-4 Washington State or 8-4 Arizona State, both at home.
I don't think a 1 loss Power 5 champion has ever been left out.
TCU was an 11-1 Big 12 co-champ in 2014.Baylor was as well. ELA's statement is still correct if we alter it slightly to either:
Yeah, I kind of agree, and this is where the week to week poll kind of hurts the committee. If they just unveiled a Final 4 of Syracuse, Oklahoma, Georgia, Utah, I don't think that would raise as much of an issue as dropping Clemson from #2 to #5, and raising Utah from #10 to #4It is possible that the committee would see that train coming down the tracks and move Utah up a few spots in the December 1 rankings. In that ranking you had the Utes at #10 behind three 10-2 teams (UF, Bama, Tx). Utah at that point would be 11-1 with a CG to go while UF, Bama, and Tx would be 10-2 and done.
I'm not sure, because of the Orange Bowl tie-in, they might still get to go there as the 2nd best Big Ten team, since it isn't a semifinal this year?
Would Michigan get a NY6 bowl? They are #12 and #15 Fresno State has to get one as the highest ranked G5 Champion so I don't think so but I could be reading that wrong. My understanding is that the 12 slots would go to the top-11 teams and Fresno State so the Wolverines would, in this scenario, finally beat Ohio State only to lose the B1G-E on an obscure tiebreaker then fall all the way down to the Citrus Bowl because they missed a NY6 bowl by one slot in the rankings, right?
It is possible that the committee would see that train coming down the tracks and move Utah up a few spots in the December 1 rankings. In that ranking you had the Utes at #10 behind three 10-2 teams (UF, Bama, Tx). Utah at that point would be 11-1 with a CG to go while UF, Bama, and Tx would be 10-2 and done.i think it might be before that.
Baylor was as well. ELA's statement is still correct if we alter it slightly to either:I think it should be the difference, but I think the committee goes with Clemson because of name recognition and last season's championship
- "No 1-loss P5 CG winner has ever been left out." or
- "No 1-loss outright P5 Champion has ever been left out."
It would be a REALLY interesting decision for the Committee for that last slot but I think they would go with Utah for a few reasons:
- No 1-loss P5 CG winner has ever been left out.
- While Utah's SoS is shaky, Clemson's isn't substantially better.
I see that is really close so I think that the P5 Championship should be the difference.
i think it might be before that.Cincinnati probably has a better resume than Utah at that point. Win over UCF, lone loss on the road to OSU.
in the nov 17 poll, bama and texas had just lost their 2nd game, and uf was just 1 spot ahead utah with 2 losses already. i could see utah jumping all them that week, putting them 10th (or 9th if you jump oregon too)
then the next week (2 weeks really, either work) aTm loses their 2nd and 3rd games, so that's 9th (8th if oregon)
then next week osu and wisc both lose 2nd, so up to 7th (6th). i think at this point would be the best point to jump oregon. now the ccg is assured, basically makes the paccg a play in between #5 and #6.
then the poll after the paccg after beating top5 wash in a revenge game gets them into top4 over clemson, with the conf title being the trump card.
Cincinnati probably has a better resume than Utah at that point. Win over UCF, lone loss on the road to OSU.i wouldn't think bama's, uf's and ut's is that great either though.
i wouldn't think bama's, uf's and ut's is that great either though.It is worse for Clemson once aTm loses three straight.
What gets more eyeballs? A Syracuse-Utah CFP game or a Bama-Clemson NY6-non CFP game?Ordinarily, I would think Bama-Clemson. But there is some Bama-Clemson fatigue right now, maybe enough to make people more interested in Syracuse-Utah.
| DECEMBER 20 | |
| BAHAMAS | Louisiana Tech (8-4) vs. Northern Illinois (7-5) |
| FRISCO | North Texas (8-4) vs. SMU (6-6) |
| DECEMBER 21 | |
| NEW MEXICO | Florida Atlantic (9-4) vs. Wyoming (6-6) |
| CURE | Arkansas State (7-5) vs. Houston (6-7)* |
| BOCA RATON | Buffalo (12-1) vs. Tulane (6-6) |
| CARMELLIA | Appalachian State (10-2) vs. Toledo (8-5) |
| LAS VEGAS | Utah State (9-4) vs. Southern Miss (6-6) |
| NEW ORLEANS | Troy (12-1) vs. Marshall (8-4) |
| DECEMBER 23 | |
| GASPARILLA | Duke (6-6) vs. Temple (8-4) |
| DECEMBER 24 | |
| HAWAII | Hawaii (9-4) vs. BYU (6-6) |
| DECEMBER 26 | |
| INDEPENDENCE | Virginia Tech (7-5) vs. South Florida (8-4) |
| QUICK LANE | MICHIGAN STATE (7-5) vs. Pittsburgh (6-6) |
| DECEMBER 27 | |
| MILITARY | Wake Forest (7-5) vs. Memphis (7-5) |
| PINSTRIPE | Virginia (9-3) vs. PURDUE (8-4) |
| TEXAS | Oklahoma State (7-5) vs. Auburn (6-6) |
| HOLIDAY | #16 WISCONSIN (10-3) vs. Stanford (8-4) |
| CHEEZ-IT | MINNESOTA (7-5) vs. Texas Tech (6-6) |
| DECEMBER 28 | |
| CAMPING WORLD | #17 Iowa State (10-3) vs. #23 Notre Dame (9-3) |
| COTTON | #10 Washington (11-2) vs. #15 Fresno State (13-0) |
| PEACH (CFP) | #1 Syracuse (13-0) vs. #4 Utah (12-1) |
| FIESTA (CFP) | #2 Oklahoma (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia (12-1) |
| DECEMBER 30 | |
| FIRST RESPONDER | TCU (6-6) vs. UAB (11-2) |
| MUSIC CITY | #24 Missouri (9-3) vs. Miami (9-4) |
| REDBOX | IOWA (8-4) vs. Washington State (8-4) |
| ORANGE | #5 Clemson (11-1) vs. #8 Alabama (10-2) |
| DECEMBER 31 | |
| BELK | #21 Kentucky (9-3) vs. Florida State (7-5) |
| SUN | Boston College (8-4) vs. California (7-5) |
| LIBERTY | Baylor (7-5) vs. Tennessee (6-6) |
| ARIZONA | FIU (7-5) vs. UL Monroe (7-5) |
| ALAMO | Arizona State (8-4) vs. West Virginia (8-4) |
| JANUARY 1 | |
| OUTBACK | #14 PENN STATE (10-2) vs. #19 Texas A&M (9-4) |
| CITRUS | #12 MICHIGAN (10-2) vs. #13 Mississippi State (10-2) |
| ROSE | #6 Oregon (11-1) vs. #9 OHIO STATE (11-2) |
| SUGAR | #7 Florida (10-2) vs. #11 Texas (10-2) |
| JANUARY 2 | |
| BIRMINGHAM | #22 Central Florida (11-1) vs. #25 Army (12-1) |
| GATOR | #20 LSU (9-3) vs. NORTHWESTERN (9-3) |
| JANUARY 3 | |
| POTATO | Boise State (10-2) vs. Ohio (9-3) |
| JANUARY 4 | |
| ARMED FORCES | #18 Cincinnati (12-1) vs. NEBRASKA (7-5) |
| JANUARY 6 | |
| ALABAMA | Georgia Southern (8-4) vs. Western Michigan (7-5) |
UGA plays A&M in Athens, not Atlanta ...They play them in both
This is great stuff, ELA! :c017:I enjoy doing it. Look forward to it each year. Not that it was a bold pick, but it ended with Clemson beating Alabama in the championship last year. Granted I think it also had Wisconsin beating MSU to win the Big Ten title, and reach the CFP, along with Washington(?)
I would see the OU/UGA winner as a prohibitive favorite to win the NC.
DDecember 28 PEACH (CFP) #1 Syracuse (13-0) vs. #4 Utah (12-1) FIESTA (CFP) #2 Oklahoma (12-1) vs. #3 Georgia
This is great stuff, ELA! :c017:I’ll be honest, this version doesn’t seem quite as good as years past. :57:
WEEK 0Great start, you are 2-0 so far!
Saturday, August 24
- #8 Florida d. Miami
- Hawaii d. Arizona
I’ll be honest, this version doesn’t seem quite as good as years past. :57:UGA is beyond due.
Kidding of course. Great as always. Thanks @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55)
I’ll take uga to win it all.
| DECEMBER 20 | |
| BAHAMAS | Northern Illinois d. Louisiana Tech |
| FRISCO | North Texas d. SMU |
| DECEMBER 21 | |
| NEW MEXICO | Wyoming d. Florida Atlantic |
| CURE | Houston d. Arkansas State |
| BOCA RATON | Tulane d. Buffalo |
| CARMELLIA | Appalachian State d. Toledo |
| LAS VEGAS | Utah State d. Southern Miss |
| NEW ORLEANS | Troy d. Marshall |
| DECEMBER 23 | |
| GASPARILLA | Duke d. Temple |
| DECEMBER 24 | |
| HAWAII | Hawaii d. BYU |
| DECEMBER 26 | |
| INDEPENDENCE | Virginia Tech d. South Florida |
| QUICK LANE | MICHIGAN STATE d. Pittsburgh |
| DECEMBER 27 | |
| MILITARY | Memphis d. Wake Forest |
| PINSTRIPE | Virginia d. PURDUE |
| TEXAS | Auburn d. Oklahoma State |
| HOLIDAY | #16 WISCONSIN d. Stanford |
| CHEEZ-IT | MINNESOTA d. Texas Tech |
| DECEMBER 28 | |
| CAMPING WORLD | #23 Notre Dame d. #17 Iowa State |
| COTTON | #10 Washington d. #15 Fresno State |
| PEACH (CFP) | #1 Syracuse 31, #4 Utah 28 |
| FIESTA (CFP) | #3 Georgia 37, #2 Oklahoma 34 |
| DECEMBER 30 | |
| FIRST RESPONDER | TCU d. UAB |
| MUSIC CITY | Miami d. #24 Missouri |
| REDBOX | Washington State d. IOWA |
| ORANGE | #5 Clemson d. #8 Alabama |
| DECEMBER 31 | |
| BELK | #21 Kentucky d. Florida State |
| SUN | Boston College d. California |
| LIBERTY | Tennessee d. Baylor |
| ARIZONA | FIU d. UL Monroe |
| ALAMO | West Virginia d. Arizona State |
| JANUARY 1 | |
| OUTBACK | #19 Texas A&M d. #14 PENN STATE |
| CITRUS | #12 MICHIGAN d. #13 Mississippi State |
| ROSE | #9 OHIO STATE d. #6 Oregon |
| SUGAR | #7 Florida d. #11 Texas |
| JANUARY 2 | |
| BIRMINGHAM | #22 Central Florida d. #25 Army |
| GATOR | #20 LSU d. NORTHWESTERN |
| JANUARY 3 | |
| POTATO | Boise State d. Ohio |
| JANUARY 4 | |
| ARMED FORCES | #18 Cincinnati d. NEBRASKA |
| JANUARY 6 | |
| ALABAMA | Georgia Southern d. Western Michigan |