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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2017, 02:34:12 PM
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We know Tom Herman will have Texas fighting tooth and nail to the end, but how do you think things will shake out?
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At the thought of our defensive secondary, I'm sure Mason Rudolph can't let go of himself.
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i called UTa to fight strong against USCw... I picked them outright in the RRSO...
i say that in attempt to demonstrate i have no ill will toward bevo's...
oSu is going to hurt them... like Rod "He Hate Me" Smart, Texas will forever wear "He Hurt Me" on their banners leading into this game after this encounter.
(and an aside: that tale always gives me the giggles- Smart ended up playing on the Panthers practice team after the XFL shut down, where he was injured while practicing.... the team got him a new jersey as a result, but instead of saying "he hate me" it said "he hurt me"...)
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Texas definitely has a good shot at beating the Pokes.
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For the record, I am waiting for the day when OSU's "Big Red's Auto Sales" scandal is uncovered. Or should I say Boone's Auto Sales.
There are more Texans on the OSU roster than OU's. And they are BIG. Not the little guys - the big ones like Art Briles used to get (and we know what happened there).
And of course the bright lights and pageantry of Stillwater, Oklahoma is where all young men should aspire to spend their collegiate career.
Yeah I don't get it. But I expect Mr. Gundy to step aside as soon as the sharks catch the scent.
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BC you know nature abhors a vacuum. Just a heads up - your totally vacuous post where you speculate wildly about integrity of the Pokes operation without a shred of evidence might have pissed her off. I’m no OSU fan, so it’s no sweat off my back, but nature passed me this note and I thought I’d share with you.
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This offense is a horrible matchup for our defense, they're going to throw all day and pick on our horrific secondary. Boyd alone will probably give up 100+ yards and a couple TDs to whomever he's covering. And the Longhorn offense isn't nearly effective enough to keep up.
This one gets ugly for Texas. It looks like a 3 TD loss to me.
Hope I'm wrong though, of course.
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well utee you just never know
the line favors Ok St by 7
the line for the OU game was pretty close
I think youre right they are gonna pass for a bunch on us and probably score
close to 30 but whats not real clear to me is just how much UT will score
I think final score will be OK st 35 and UT 28
that is unless one of the teams turns the ball over a lot
then who knows
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Well of course "you never know."
"That's why they play they games" and all that.
I don't think how well Texas performs against OU is much of an indicator about how well Texas will perform against Oklahoma State or TCU.
You seem offended by my concerns over this team, I'm not sure why. I'll certainly be rooting for Texas to win the game, and I'll be happy if they do. I have no ego tied up in my expectations for the outcome of this game.
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BC you know nature abhors a vacuum. Just a heads up - your totally vacuous post where you speculate wildly about integrity of the Pokes operation without a shred of evidence might have pissed her off. I’m no OSU fan, so it’s no sweat off my back, but nature passed me this note and I thought I’d share with you.
Point considered.
I'd be interested in any other notes that nature passes you.
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I can't believe there are posters on here that think OSU has chance. Texas is going to come out and flex its muscle Saturday. I say Texas by 10. :88:
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the basis of my prediction is all about the matchups. Texas seemingly wants to play balanced. I don't mean in offensive play calling as much as i mean equal share of clock between o and d. they seemingly want to play field position. they seemingly want to slow the game into their rhythm and to their strengths.
oSu makes a living out of taking teams out of their comfort zone. they do this by wicked fast attacks threatening the entire field from the center snapper to the outs, and from there to the back corners and anything in between. it seems reckless and playing on the verge of control, and if successful it can get them a few scores up and force their opponents to play a game they don't want to play- because it's exceeding their comfortable rhythm. it also does something else, too, and personally i think it is the crux to busting gundy's approach: it finds the mismatch, if there is one, with a quickness... gundy seems to discover and use the mismatch better than most- he doesn't "over use" it- he uses it just enough to keep his opponent from loading up on it- and if they do load up on defending the discovered mismatch, he makes them pay for it by drilling the shifted defender's responsibility. yeah- this is nothing different than most any team tries to do, but Gundy teams do it effectively and quickly.
Teams like bama don't care what you got- their game is to lean on you 60 minutes with constantly fresh players- and start having their way with you after 40 minutes or so... Teams like Clemson blitz you and break your pocket passing mechanisms- forcing you to adjust- w/o that, they are manageable- it's easier said than done. Teams like GT and oSu go 'all in' on the gamble they can disrupt your plan- GT obviously does it by attempting to own the clock and keeping your defense on the field- never allowing your O to find a groove... oSu does it by blitzkrieg- sudden and atrocious assault all over the field finding the mismatch as quickly as possible and then striking it only enough to keep the game moving at the pace they dictate.
if you can play mano-a-mano effectively with oSu, they aren't the juggernaut they pretend to be. if you've got a bad match, Gundy will find it by mid way through the first if it wasn't found while scouting (where other tactics/methods take full halves to find, and usually after collusion over the break). Gundy flash attacks with simple intent to find the mismatch- that is his whole basis of formula to win....if that can be halted, so can oSu. if (when) he finds the mismatch, he toys with it to see how the defender's respond- and that will determine how often he'll exploit it. this isn't that much different than a lot of fast-strike teams, it's just that he is pretty dang good at it when he has the right tools at his disposal, which he seems to this season, and that he doesn't over use it too early.
I just don't think Texas has the ponies to go mano-a-mano with oSu's this season. and.... I don't think they'll be able to sprint with them once oSu opens the gap. just my opinion... and it's about match-up... if it's any consolation, i'm thinking a team like texas would do a lot better against a team like bama than oSu would- because of the same match-ups.
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Gundy already knows the Texas weaknesses on defense, it's right there on film for all to see. KSU was able to exploit the secondary for big gains deep, and OU did more of the same. oSu has even more weapons to exploit those same weaknesses. As drew points out, they're just a terrible matchup for us, probably the worst we'll have all season.
Their defense is not remarkable, but neither is our offense. Gonna be a long day in Austin I'm afraid. I'll be delighted to be wrong.
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BC you know nature abhors a vacuum. Just a heads up - your totally vacuous post where you speculate wildly about integrity of the Pokes operation without a shred of evidence might have pissed her off. I’m no OSU fan, so it’s no sweat off my back, but nature passed me this note and I thought I’d share with you.
So, you don't believe in the ECFGs, but you do believe in nature?
How do you pick your football religion?
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I don’t know ‘bout chew, but nature calls ... pretty regularly
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I don't believe I've ever heard of anything particularly shady going on at oSu, so not sure what T95 thinks might be up?
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Texas is going to come out and flex its muscle Saturday.
I do think Ehlinger and Malik will each flex Texas' muscle this Saturday. And interspersed between all that Texas muscle flexing will be numerous 60-yard scoring plays on OSU's part.
Numerous.
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I don't believe I've ever heard of anything particularly shady going on at oSu, so not sure what T95 thinks might be up?
"Hey dad, I got scholarship offers from Austin, Fort Worth, Waco, and College Station. Well, and also Lubbock and Stillwater, Oklahoma"
"Why the choice is easy son! Stillwater, hands down"
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They’ve also been holding their own instate vs Oklahoma, but I assume that’s probably because they’re winning these days.
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oSu 45
Texas 28
That's as kind as I can be.
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oSu 45
Texas 28
That's as kind as I can be.
no way we score only 28
take a good look at OK st's def numbers
not sure we can score more then 40 however
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I think it’s gonna be a 38-35, or even higher but just as close, whoever has the football last kind of games. OSU seems to have the better offense, at least so far but we’re comparing a seasoned QB like MR with a developing talent like Ehlinger. Kid’s gonna be a star, I tell ya. True OSU may pick apart the Texas secondary, but I don’t see OSU stopping Ehlinger and co either.
Should be one of the best games of the week!
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oSu 45
Texas 28
That's as kind as I can be.
This is about where I fall as well. Except maybe more like 49-28, oSu wins. Our defensive secondary is going to get abused. Badly.
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I'll take the Pokes and give the points
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At some point Saturday the Texas offense became Ehlinger left, Ehlinger right, Ehlinger up the middle, repeat. I haven't watched the Cowboys enough to know how that might play out. I've only seen one full game of theirs, against TCU, and they weren't too impressive. TCU is probably better than I was giving them credit for at the time.
That Longhorn secondary does seem to be a concern. OSU may not fall into the standard category of needing to run in order to pass effectively.
Just haven't seen enough of Okie Lite to gauge, but at some point the burnt orange offense is going to have to do something besides run Ehlinger.
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At some point Saturday the Texas offense became Ehlinger left, Ehlinger right, Ehlinger up the middle, repeat. I haven't watched the Cowboys enough to know how that might play out. I've only seen one full game of theirs, against TCU, and they weren't too impressive. TCU is probably better than I was giving them credit for at the time.
That Longhorn secondary does seem to be a concern. OSU may not fall into the standard category of needing to run in order to pass effectively.
Just haven't seen enough of Okie Lite to gauge, but at some point the burnt orange offense is going to have to do something besides run Ehlinger.
It wasn't just this past Saturday, it's been the entire season, and that's pretty much the point a couple of us have been making. The Texas offense simply doesn't have anything aside from running the QB.
The o-line is beyond terrible. There are a couple of legitimate reasons for that, but it doesn't change the reality. The Texas running backs are also beyond terrible. There's really no legitimate reason for that, it's just bad and incredibly disappointing. Texas has no TE and hasn't for around a decade or so. The Texas WRs occasionally show flashes but when the QB is constantly running for his life, there's only so much they can do, which isn't nearly enough.
Sam has done a good job for the position he's been placed in. But there isn't anywhere near enough support around him to create a credible offense. The current offensive design has already injured both of our QBs, and I have little doubt it will only get worse. That's a pretty sad statement I have to make, and not for the team's offensive production, but rather for the health of these two kids.
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At some point Saturday the Texas offense became Ehlinger left, Ehlinger right, Ehlinger up the middle, repeat. I haven't watched the Cowboys enough to know how that might play out. I've only seen one full game of theirs, against TCU, and they weren't too impressive. TCU is probably better than I was giving them credit for at the time.
That Longhorn secondary does seem to be a concern. OSU may not fall into the standard category of needing to run in order to pass effectively.
Just haven't seen enough of Okie Lite to gauge, but at some point the burnt orange offense is going to have to do something besides run Ehlinger.
Sam averaged 325 yards passing against the cats and the sooners the last 2 weeks
Yes he does run to keep the def honest but its not the main play he runs
I expect him to have another 300 yard day this Sat
the diff in the game will be just how successful we are at rushing
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the diff in the game will be just how successful we are at rushing
Lord, I hope not.
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The rushing totals need to shift from the QB to the RBs. If I’m Coach Peewee, I’d see this as an ideal time to spring some new running plays that don’t center on SE on the Pokes. Given the past plays Texas has run, OSU will likely be set up to go after the QB pretty much single mindedly. Could really catch Coach I’m-A-Man by surprise.
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oSu isn't just a bad match for our defense - they're a bad match for everyone's defense because there's nothing they can't do. They have large possession receivers. They have fast seam busting receivers. They have do it all tailbacks. The QB will eat up yards if there's no one in front of him. Whatever you take away form the Cowboys schematically, they just exploit in other areas. You're only allowed to use 11 players.
It's hard to imagine the Texas front 7, even as crafty as they are, being able to rattle Mason Rudolph into bad decisions, which stinks, because that's what it'll take.
The Texas OL becomes "fair" if they're allowed to play together and not have to replace pieces in situ. Sam is obviously a gamer, and will try to simply will the offense forward. I believe Texas will score a respectable amount of points, but unless oSu helps out by making mistakes and gifting turnovers, it won't be enough.
Randomizing factor: For once, Texas is the underdog home team getting an 11am kick. Nobody likes playing those games.
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Meh, TCU didn't seem to have much problems with them.
I'm not saying UT has the secondary to pull it off, but there's plenty of ways to stop OSU.
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It wasn't just this past Saturday, it's been the entire season, and that's pretty much the point a couple of us have been making. The Texas offense simply doesn't have anything aside from running the QB.
The o-line is beyond terrible. There are a couple of legitimate reasons for that, but it doesn't change the reality. The Texas running backs are also beyond terrible. There's really no legitimate reason for that, it's just bad and incredibly disappointing. Texas has no TE and hasn't for around a decade or so. The Texas WRs occasionally show flashes but when the QB is constantly running for his life, there's only so much they can do, which isn't nearly enough.
Sam has done a good job for the position he's been placed in. But there isn't anywhere near enough support around him to create a credible offense. The current offensive design has already injured both of our QBs, and I have little doubt it will only get worse. That's a pretty sad statement I have to make, and not for the team's offensive production, but rather for the health of these two kids.
I'll rephrase. That's been their best production, but I've seen other Texas games thus far where they were still trying to execute the rest of the offense. What I mean to say is that in the RRS at some point Texas dropped all pretense and basically admitted the fact they had nothing else working.
You can lose running Texas' normal offense. You can stop even trying anything else and run Ehlinger every play, and still lose, but also get him hurt. I don't know what the solution is there.
I feel your pain about the OL. Ours is because we have 3 tr. fr. on the line, and one RS fr. What's Texas' deal?
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and yet Vegas only makes UT 7 pt dogs
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and yet Vegas only makes UT 7 pt dogs
Helmet value is worth 10 points in Vegas. Vegas odds are only good when both or neither teams are helmet schools.
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Yeah but Vegas usually just assigns 3 points to home field advantage, which is often an underestimate. Here I think helmet matters as Texas historically is intimidating to the Pokes. Remember those amazing Texas comebacks even up in Stillwater? Maybe Texas had a deeper bench back then, but I also think it was a longhorn psyche out job over Pete’s boys.
Anyway -7 seems about right to me, and in fact if I ever bet anything more than a single beer on sports (which is my limit, a gentleman’s bet), I think it’s gonna be closer than that, as I’ve already said above.
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but I also think it was a longhorn psyche out job over Pete’s boys.
I'm beginning to think the only psyche job here is the one you are weaving across this thread. Very astute. The more hope you can give someone, the more they are shattered when it doesn't work out. You are stirring the Texas pot.
Can Texas win this game? Oh sure, if the freshman RB Carter rips off a 100 yard game, giving Sam another dimension from which to attack. Without a Texas run threat, this is an easy meal for oSu. But in addition, Texas defensive secondary has to suddenly have a clue. However, if the Texas DL can penetrate Rudolph's safe space, and if we can rattle his cage with a few blitz packages, we may have something.
To some extent, OU's OL made our DBs look bad. Most times, Baker had time to find the wide open guy. I'm hoping the oSu OL is a little more porous. If so, we can wreak havoc on Rudolph, and force them into running screens and such.
I still say we lose by 17.
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Meh, TCU didn't seem to have much problems with them.
I'm not saying UT has the secondary to pull it off, but there's plenty of ways to stop OSU.
TCU's defense has been much, much better than Texas' for about a decade. I don't believe it SHOULD be that way, but that doesn't change reality.
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I'm beginning to think the only psyche job here is the one you are weaving across this thread. Very astute. The more hope you can give someone, the more they are shattered when it doesn't work out. You are stirring the Texas pot.
Can Texas win this game? Oh sure, if the freshman RB Carter rips off a 100 yard game, giving Sam another dimension from which to attack. Without a Texas run threat, this is an easy meal for oSu. But in addition, Texas defensive secondary has to suddenly have a clue. However, if the Texas DL can penetrate Rudolph's safe space, and if we can rattle his cage with a few blitz packages, we may have something.
To some extent, OU's OL made our DBs look bad. Most times, Baker had time to find the wide open guy. I'm hoping the oSu OL is a little more porous. If so, we can wreak havoc on Rudolph, and force them into running screens and such.
I still say we lose by 17.
Cousin Fred is an evil bastage, always trying to build up Texas when the Horns are undeserving, just so he can tear UT to shreds when not living up to his (faux) lofty expectations.
One mean SOB, that's what he is.
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Lol sure whatever. I know ... your team is always in some state of doomage.
You Horns fans are the biggest bunch of sandbaggers the porch, and possibly all of college football smackdom, have ever seen.
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I'm beginning to feel differently today.
You know, as if Texas might could like...<gulp> win or something.
Just let me run with it.
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I’m glad you’re coming around and putting some of those sandbags back in that Texas sized whine barn y’all always have at the ready.
The key of course is whether Texas can “run with it”
That’s the question, but there’s so much to work with. Look at how well they played in the second half vs OU or in the wins over KSU and ISU or in hanging with USC.
I’ll go even further say that I think Texas is going to beat Ok State. By a razors edge, but I’m calling this one for the Horns.
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Texas came to play today- they've done a great job of shutting them pokes down! (so far)
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OT. Guess I was right and you sandbagging Horns fans were a bit off ;^)
Anyway, tough loss but you’ve gotta be happy with the Texas D.
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yup, talked me into taking the points
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I hope I don't jinx the Horns and incur the wrath of the ECFGs by saying this but...
If Texas can keep up its level of effort...
I think they could go 4-1 over the next five.
TCU could be ugly but the rest should be winnable. Not easy. No guarantees. But winnable.
7-5 would be nice. Especially with 3 of the losses being dogfights.
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A hint of UT froth. I like it. The Horns are better than their record shows, and I agree they could win a majority of the rest of their games. My wag is 3-2 from here on out. Warren had a couple of nice runs, even though Ehlinger didn’t have his A game. If Texas can just start springing some runs, look out.
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Texas is playing with heart, but no horses.
Certain players are trying to will wins and it's just not enough. I'm puzzled how we go from the world's worst defense the last two years to this squad which is the best in the conference. It likely translates into Todd Orlando's days being numbered at Texas.
Herman is not gaining any points with me. Ok, maybe he's losing some. If that is all the offense that could be cooked up then someone needs to be more creative. I know we have OL problems but you play the hand you're dealt. Except well, our RB's suck too. And I mean SUCK.
Sam thinks he's still in high school, and the play-calling is happily obliging that misconception. Is it surprising that Sam is hurt? Yeah that play where he steamrolled a K-State DB was cool but this isn't Westlake High. And that truth is starting to come home.
This Beck guy that everyone is railing on, he smells like Greg Davis. Is he Herman's old buddy from somewhere else - is that why he's here?
The close losses are somewhat reassuring, but the offensive train wreck is concerning. I blame most of this on talent, but for whatever reason Herman is not winning me over like Mack did. Mack had me at hello. Herman strikes me as still having a lot of OJT going on, while being on Texas' time.
We have 5 more games to size this up however.
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I don't miss many things from the Charlie Strong years, but I do miss Sterlin Gilbert.
Last year it was obvious that Charlie tightened his leash on Sterlin as the year wore on, to increase TOP in order to help the defense.
But Sterlin knew how to utilize offensive talent and put playmakers in space. Beck's offense is just slightly better than Watson's offense (probably because he has much more talent) and it's about on par with Norvelle's offense.
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Texas is playing with heart, but no horses.
That's it. Frustrating way to lose a game, but those are growing pains of a rejuvenating program. I think you've got at least another two seasons with Orlando. I don't expect nearly so many offensive problems next season.
I think UT can pull 3 out of the next 5 if they keep up the level of effort they've been showing, and get the all-important bowl practices in afforded by a post-season invite. @TCU and @WVU are a hard sell for me. Baylor, KU, and Tech are all winnable.
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That's it.
Uhm.... I disagree.
In my opinion, "No horses" is a myth. Texas has plenty of horses.
Last year Texas had 19 offensive plays that went for 40 yards or more. D'onta who was involved in 5 of those are gone, as is Petey Warrick who was involved in two more. The combinations involved in the other 12 are still on campus.
Buechele to Duvernay for 63, 75 and 80 yards. Buechele to Leonard for 45, 46 and 49 yards. Buechele to Joe for 61 yards Buechele to Heard for 68 yards. Bueschele to Burt for 72 yards. Warren had a long run.
Up until this year, Chris Warren averaged over 6 ypc.
Buechele threw for a TD in 11 of 12 games last year and for over 200 yards throwing in each game except for one where he had 196 yards and one where he had 165 yards.
In 2014 Armanti Foreman averaged over 20 ypc on end arounds. In 2015 Jerrod Heard set a record for most yards in a game.
Texas has more playmakers than it can put on the field at one time.
The problem is only the fans, players and reporters have memories. The coaching staff has arrogance where it should have context.
It's ground hog day and Tim Beck is Shawn Watson all over again. And he's trying to turn Sam Ehlinger into David Ash.
I wouldn't be surprised if two years from now, to save his job, Herman does exactly what Strong did and brings in an offensive coordinator who can utilize up-tempo Texas spread talent instead of imposing some BS Nebraska offense.
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I meant nobody's doing anything. It doesn't matter what guys did in the past, if they aren't making plays now, the offense has no horsepower. No horses.
No need to bog down in semantics when I think we see the same things.
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hah, Watson, Norvell, and Beck all coached BS offense in Lincoln
Norvell was the least impressive in my opinion
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I meant nobody's doing anything. It doesn't matter what guys did in the past, if they aren't making plays now, the offense has no horsepower. No horses.
No need to bog down in semantics when I think we see the same things.
I like you, Amos, but I must disagree once again.
This is a good offense
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This is no horses
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This is the Texas offense
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Can you see the difference between the second and third picture? There are horses in the third picture. No horses in the second picture. The horses in the third picture aren't running like the ones in the first picture but they are there, unlike the absence of horses in the second picture.
Texas has horses. The stall isn't empty. They just aren't running.
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hah, Watson, Norvell, and Beck all coached BS offense in Lincoln
Norvell was the least impressive in my opinion
Who's your OC now?
Might as well get used to him since the next coach'll name him as our OC.
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In my opinion, "No horses" is a myth. Texas has plenty of horses.
The problem is only the fans, players and reporters have memories. The coaching staff has arrogance where it should have context.
You state your case well, but it doesn't consider last year's OL vs. this year's. And the added threat of having Donta in the backfield, which we don't have this year. You could pull 5 of our biggest fans out of the bleachers and have just as good an OL. And with Chris Warren's ability to run the 40 in 5 minutes, the D really doesn't have to worry about him, but rather just react by the time he bumbles to the line of scrimmage.
All that said, Sterlin Gilbert was the cherry on top of our turd last year. But of course Herman doesn't keep him.
As far as arrogance, there is little doubt that Herman thought he was going to walk in here and be the savior. And he may still be. Frankly, if you had hired me after Charlie, I would have thought the same thing.
But for now, I choose to believe that Herman's desire to win will overcome his arrogance. He stated the "offense is broken". I like that. Sure he defended Beck, but that's just standard M.O. Beck seems like pure unimaginative and unadulterated suckage from what I've seen thus far, and about 10 steps down from Gilbert.
We still have five games. Win four of those and we are all happy. We can start by scoring some points against Baylor, and finding a cure for this 3-and-out crap.
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Here's the thing.
The offensive line isn't what we hoped it would be but it still has about twice depth and experience that the 2014 offensive line had, so I'm not really inclined to be very sympathetic to that excuse. There are bodies there. Coach them up.
As for Warren and D'Onta, I guess you've forgotten that D'Onta wasn't even the clear starter until Warren was injured. But here's the thing. Warren is a slow starter. The time he got nearly 300 yards against Tech, he averaged less than 3 on his first 7. The more you pound him, the more effective he is. Ignore him all game, piddle around with him, you get what you deserve.
I heard Herman whining at lunch today about having a freshman quarterback handing to a freshman runningback behind a freshman line.
You know why I don't have any sympathy for that?
Because we had a freshman quarterback behind a freshman center last year. A freshman quarterback behind a freshman left tackle the year before that. A little used sophomore quarterback behind the thinnest and most inexperienced lines in college football the year before that.
It's Herman's choice to start Ehlinger over Buchele or even Heard. Other programs allow starters to become experienced veterans. Here we replace them with somebody new and whine about their inexperience.
Well, I'm tired of it.
I like the defense. I like special teams for the most part. I like the shade of orange of longhorn on the side of the helmet.
I don't like seeing Charlie Strong learn his lesson and the horrible offense of 2014 gradually improve to 2015 and dramatically improve in 2016 only to have it completely reset to 2014 all over again.
And what's really disgusting is that compared to 2014 we have an embarrassment of riches so there's really no excuse except for stupidity, ignorance and arrogance.
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Embarrassment of riches?
Again you make some good points about Herman's whining, but the embarrassment of riches is way off the mark. oSu's QUARTERBACK was bigger than our linebackers and half our DL. He threw Blondie off him like a rag doll when it was time to get up off the ground.
I appreciate what you are saying about keep pounding the rock, and eventually Warren may open it up. I agree with this, but that approach is just so contrary to today's air happy OC that they just can't bring themselves to do it. Unless they work for Nick Saban.
I maintain we could have averaged 3+ yards per carry against oSu, which is all you need. But we won't stick with it, which is my beef with Beck. And if he does run, he'd rather run Sam, which oSu was all geared up for.
But hold off on the embarrassment of riches. Keep an eye on how much of these "riches" are ever scooped up by the NFL. Malik? Yeah, there's one. Anyone can look at this team and tell it doesn't stack up man for man against the top half of Div. 1 CFB, not withstanding the psychology of the Texas uniform.
The only cake baking that was done in the last 3 years was done by Willie Taggart.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, but at least disagree with what I'm saying and not what I'm not saying.
I said Texas has an embarrassment of riches compared to the 2014 team.
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Well at least it was a close game.
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Who's your OC now?
Might as well get used to him since the next coach'll name him as our OC.
dude named Danny Langsdorf
claim to fame was working with Eli Manning
before that..... 13 seasons as Riley's O-coordinator and QB coach at Oregon State
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Well since you're determined to carry on the analogy, you just showed a picture of a track, which is where the game is, and then showed a picture of horses in stalls, where UT's playmakers are. BC said Texas is playing with no horses, I agreed. You then gave picture illustration of Texas playing a game with no horses on the track.
I'm glad we all agree.
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Just looking back at the past four years of rivals rankings, Texas outranked Oklahoma State every year, and often by a lot. Except for 2017, Texas has been in the top 20, even top 10 once. They’re usually in a contest with OU for the highest rivals ranking in the conf (except 2017) That means a whole lotta 3 and 4 star players, and even a few 5s.
No question in my mind that Hooky is right, and BC and MDT are wrong on this horsy business when it comes to Texas. But you can have the best thorough breds in the world and still lose races if you don’t train em right and don’t have a good race strategy. I’ll stop here since I know next to nothing about horse racing. In fact you don’t want me near a horse race. The first time I ever went to a horse track, which was in Argentina in 1989, my first visit there, the horse I bet on died during the race. I kid you not!
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No question in my mind that Hooky is right, and BC and MDT are wrong on this horsy business
This is too easy. 2 years from now when Herman is mud-stomping OU (and a few others), and you scratch your heads wondering what gives... I've already told you. We don't have the horses. But we will.
To assume we have the horses now assumes that Herman can't coach, which also implies we are doomed to .500 seasons during his tenure.
Which he will disprove next year. And the next, and the next...
And be consistent. If CH=Hooky, then BC=T95.
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No question in my mind that Hooky is right, and BC and MDT are wrong on this horsy business when it comes to Texas. But you can have the best thorough breds in the world and still lose races if you don’t train em right and don’t have a good race strategy. I’ll stop here since I know next to nothing about horse racing. In fact you don’t want me near a horse race. The first time I ever went to a horse track, which was in Argentina in 1989, my first visit there, the horse I bet on died during the race. I kid you not!
I like that both you and the horse picture guy are agreeing with me, while still managing to think you're not.
Y'all are a semantic black hole.
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So, just for the record:
Cousin Fred, Mr. Wilson, Hooky Hornstein and Charley Horse all agree Texas has the horses. Brown County and Texas 95 agree Texas does not have horses.
Mike DeTiger and Amos somehow imagine that the only difference between the existence of horses and the non-existence of horses is simply semantics.
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This is too easy. 2 years from now when Herman is mud-stomping OU (and a few others), and you scratch your heads wondering what gives... I've already told you. We don't have the horses. But we will.
To assume we have the horses now assumes that Herman can't coach, which also implies we are doomed to .500 seasons during his tenure.
Which he will disprove next year. And the next, and the next...
And be consistent. If CH=Hooky, then BC=T95.
On defense Texas clearly has horses and Todd Orlando knows how to use them.
On offense Texas has horses but Tim Beck does not know how to use them.
In the future Texas will hopefully be better and more successful. That may happen because Tom Herman replaces Tim Beck or it may happen because Tom Herman recruits his own horses that he likes better than the horses Charlie Strong recruited.
But I still contend Texas has more many more horses on offenses now than it did in 2014 so it would be nice, really really nice, if Texas could manage to field a better offense than it had in 2014 and Tom Herman would stop whining and crying about injuries, youth and inexperience.
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Y'all may know football, but you lack horse sense.
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I’m not following the Cajun logic here, and how it is we’re saying Texas has horses but at the same really not saying Texas has horses. Hmmm. Is there a double negative here Im missing?
Do young developing colts who were full on horses in high school not yet count as horses in the Cajun mind, perhaps? Does Mike see this more as a metamorphosis process, like going from catepillar to butterfly, or going from tadpole to frog, rather than the mammalian approach of just going from younger less mature horses to older stronger smarter horses, as I see it?
But Tigers are mammals too. So I’m just not following the logic here.
For me saying Texas has the horses is not a semantic issue. They either do or they don’t. <insert head scratching emoji, if there is one>
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pretty sure no one cares what a Big Ten guy or an ex-wife thinks, but put me down on the side that thinks Texas has horses - big fast horses
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Back to one of the crux of the horse issue - the 2017 Texas offense versus the 2014 Texas offense
In 2014 Texas had Malcolm Brown and Johnathan Gray who had combined for 3451 in prior seasons. Coming into 2017 Texas only had Chis Warren's 831 yards prior to this season.
Advantage 2014.
In 2014 Texas had Jaxon Shipley, Marcus Johnson and Daje Johnson who had previously combined for 3061 yards. Coming into 2014 has Burt, Foreman, Leonard, Joe, Duvernay, Johnson and Heard who have combined for 3067 yards.
2017 - More horses
In 2014 after Ash went down, the only scholarship QB was Tyrone Swoopes who had previously completed 5 passes for 13 yards.
Coming into 2017 Texas had Buechele and Heard who have 23 combined starts and over 4000 yards passing.
2017 - More horses
After Connor Williams went out in the 3rd game, the 2017 OL only had 40 starts (coming into the 2017 season) between its remaining linemen. Rodriguez and Hudson only had 3 starts between them. Cuney and Shackleford have been hampered but Jake McMillon, Tristan Nickleson, Denzel Okafor, Garrett Gray, Alex Anderson, Tope Imade, Derek Kerstetter, JP Urquidez, Garrett Thomas and Samuel Cosmi remain unscathed and servicable.
In 2014, after Texas lost Dominic Espinoza in the first game, the remaining OL had 10 starts between them. When Kennedy Estelle left the program within the first month of the season, that took 8 of the 10 starts leaving only Kent Perkins and Sed Flowers who had each started once prior to 2014. Supporting them were Jake Raulerson, Taylor Doyle and Camrhon Hughes who had combined to participate in 2 games prior to 2014 and Marcus Hutchins who moved over from DT.
Advantage 2017.
So forgive me if have no pity for Herman's whining. Texas has had a crappy offenses before and Texas has been in worst straits before.
Compared to 2014, Texas has an embarrassment of riches.
There are horses in the stable. If Herman and Beck are too stupid (or arrogant) to use them, it's their own fault.
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I'm sure glad I was wrong about losing by 21 points!
I hope I'm also wrong thinking we've got a certain loss to TCU coming up.
But first, gotta beat Baylor. I'd love to see Texas deliver a real stomping but so far that's only happened against a very weak non-P5 team. Gotta put together a complete game at some point. Hopefully this week.
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Weigh in on the horses, Junior.
Texas got em or not?
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Texas has come within one score of beating 3 Top-10 teams. Based on previous seasons with these same horses (sans D'onta), the difference must be coaching.
So if coaching was good enough to get Texas within one score, why couldn't it finish the job?
Horses. The same ones that would have lost by 50 in previous seasons. And they even had a RB.
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Horns have some horses, just not enough of them, especially on the lines. I hate to sound like a Husker fan circa 1995m but it's all about the lines.
Boyd had a better day than in the past, though.
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Texas has come within one score of beating 3 Top-10 teams. Based on previous seasons with these same horses (sans D'onta), the difference must be coaching.
So if coaching was good enough to get Texas within one score, why couldn't it finish the job?
Horses. The same ones that would have lost by 50 in previous seasons. And they even had a RB.
I give you facts. Nothing but facts. Starts and yardage.
You retort with conjecture about how the same players would've lost by 50 if not for the coaching.
Facts really aren't your strong suit. Are they? If they were, you would know that prior to Tom Herman's arrival Texas was actually 2-1 in its last three meetings with Top Ten teams - beating #10 Notre Dame, #8 Baylor and losing to #10 West Virginia by 4.
And the last time Texas lost by 50, your boy Mack Brown was the coach.
But you know what? I'm not here to knock Mack Brown or Tom Herman. And I'm not here to praise Charlie Strong.
Mack Brown was a great coach in many respects. Charlie Strong screwed the pooch in a lot of ways. Tom Herman is doing a lot of things right and I really hope he succeeds.
So instead of grinding your ax against Charlie Strong and halfassedly talking crap to create an unnecessarily broad and over-reaching discussion, why don't we just stick to the issue at hand and that is the fact that Tim Beck, under Tom Herman's authority, is underusing the talent at his disposal.
Jerrod Heard once set a school record for total offense in a single game with 527 yards against Cal. Think about the full impact of that for a minute. More than Vince Young ever gained. More than Colt McCoy ever gained.
Do you think we could see him in the wildcat from time to time?
We have six receivers (SIX) who had receptions of more than 40 yards last year.
Do you think we can throw down field from time to time?
Chis Warren averaged 6.3 ypc coming into this season. If you go back and look at his best games, he started slow. He's 250 pounds. He should be wearing out opposing defenses on nearly every down in the fourth quarter and even the late third quarter.
Can we please give him the ball?
You look at the offensive line. Yes, there have been injuries. Yes, there is inexperience. But there are bodies available.
Aren't coaches supposed to coach? Can they not cobble together five bodies and teach them to do one or two things right?
The offense is abysmal and there is no excuse. There's enough talent to score more than 10 points per game.
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CH - I appreciate your facts.
I think you've got some opaque axe to grind but there's no point to pursue it. "My boy" Mack?
Anyway, after clocking in the factually worst defenses in Texas history over the last 2 years, we now have a group we can be proud of. And from a top level view, the same staff that created this stellar defense, is also responsible for this impotent offense. An offense which lost it's primary weapon from last season, in which Sterlin Gilbert admittedly made lemonade out of lemons.
It begins with all 5 starters in the trenches being sidelined, and it goes downhill from there. Running back? Surely you will admit we are ANEMIC at running back. And that pretty much undercuts anything else - no line to block, and no one that can run the ball. Never mind that we continually trot out these 5'11" QBs while our opponents sport 6'3"- 6'5" specimens.
Horses? Surely not.
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"Your boy" because didn't you say he had you at hello? That's kind of soft and fuzzy there, amigo. That's a buttered tortilla. That's pony eating a kettle of skittles under a rainbow.
As more time passes I'm more inclined to remember good Mack than bad Mack. Good Mack altered schemes to fit his talent. Good Mack stockpiled talent. Good Mack tinkered with things that weren't working to make them better. Good Mack made Texas great again. I like good Mack and I'd just as soon forget all about Bad Mack.
Tom Herman hired and empowered Todd Orlando who has made lemon meringue pie (forget the lemonade) out of yesterday's lemons.
Tom Herman has lit a fire under the pampered butts of his players. He holds them accountable. He doesn't give a darn what they've done in the past. He makes them earn it every week.
And have I said how grateful I am that he finally rectified the ongoing trouble with the shade of burnt orange on the helmet logo? It was brown. Then it was copper. Now it's finally the right shade of burnt orange. It matches the jersies. How hard is that? And yet he's the first since DKR to get it right. Makes me think he can do anything.
But I think his offensive scheme might actually kill Ehlinger. I wonder if Warren kicked his dog. I think Heard may never get more than three touches a game. If I see a pass of more than 25 yards, I may fall out of my chair and break a hip.
If I were OC, Texas would average 69 points a game and I'd play mostly backups and run the ball for the last three quarters.
It'd be easy to do because the Horns have plenty of horses.
Remember how DKR asked Emory Bellard to come up with an offense to get Gilbert, Wooster and McCoy all on the field at the same time?
I'd put all three QBs on the field at the same time. I'd run the pistol with Buchele in the pocket, with Ehlinger to his right and Heard in motion.
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I must explain my comment "Mack had me at hello". Well, he did.
My zeal for Longhorn football was 10 times in those days what it is today. I was rabid. I would eat, sleep, and sheet the Horns. I was proud of myself for attending UT. It was a great time of accomplishment and fulfillment in my life.
Except for John Mackovic. He never felt right. Once it became evident that David Mc's shock the nation tour was a fluke - I was heartbroken. I knew we had to make a change, but the change (Mackovic) just never felt right.
So we had some ups and downs with Mackovic, and because we are Texas, the downs outweighed the ups. It became apparent that he too would not be our long-term savior. So here we go again.
I had my eye on the man at North Carolina. He was a charmer, he was southern, and he built a winner at a basketball school. And then AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! EFFING DeLoss takes a shine to Gary Freaking Barnett. Now by this time, I had come to realize that DeLoss is wrong just about every time he has a thought, it's just that he looks confident when he has one. And his quips seem to make him look smart. But I knew he was dead ass wrong about Barnett.
To me, Barnett was Mackovic Part II, and DeLoss was really pissing the sheet out of me for wanting this guy. Well it turns out some big money Horns felt the same way I did. Dodds was flat ass overridden, and DKR, Jamail, and Hicks went to fetch Mack Brown.
I cried. I literally cried like a damn baby. This is why I say Mack had me at hello.
Now, back to the issue at hand. We agree that the play-calling is dismal. We both can't figure why they just don't call the touchdown play, it would be so much easier.
But maybe that's because there is no touchdown play. The league's best QB's couldn't function with this offensive line, much less a true freshman. So let's hand it off to uh, uh, Chris Warren? Gee, where's San Jose State when you need them? How about Kyle Porter? Yeah right. Give Carter more reps, these guys suck. But oh yeah, he's another true freshman.
All I can suggest is that we should try to force some kind of run game anyway, and try to chisel away at it. Our OL is getting blown out on every play, so the best we could do is try to create quick holes. But going straight to the passing game without posing a persistent threat to run will not work with this third-string OL.
I say turn the offense over to Orlando as well. Today's OC's break out in hives when they are not throwing the ball - turn our offense over to a defensive guy. I'll bet he'll run the damn thing.
I hate today's OC's. But horses still would help.
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I’m not following the Cajun logic here, and how it is we’re saying Texas has horses but at the same really not saying Texas has horses. Hmmm. Is there a double negative here Im missing?
Do young developing colts who were full on horses in high school not yet count as horses in the Cajun mind, perhaps? Does Mike see this more as a metamorphosis process, like going from catepillar to butterfly, or going from tadpole to frog, rather than the mammalian approach of just going from younger less mature horses to older stronger smarter horses, as I see it?
But Tigers are mammals too. So I’m just not following the logic here.
For me saying Texas has the horses is not a semantic issue. They either do or they don’t. <insert head scratching emoji, if there is one>
Maybe a better way to say what I said would've been "horsepower," but I did think the point was obvious. At any rate, I don't think the point I was making was any sort of mystery, yet you and the jackhorse seem intent on bogging down. Your horse is in a ditch.
So I'll start over.
The offense has no horsepower, despite having horses. That better?
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I can agree with that last sentence. Horses but they’re in the ditch ... that works.
To be fair to my rival Horns, if the ditch was the Red River, their horses ALMOST got all the way across. But like in Egypt of old, the red river drowned them before they made it to the promised land.
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Good Lord sucking sucks. Arguing about just how crappy our crappy players are, or just how crappy our crappy coaches are, is exhausting.
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I think any trend will bear itself out in the coming five games. For the most part, the juggernaut is over. It's hard to size up a new regime when we keep lining up against top-10 freight trains. Never mind that we came within one play of winning 3 of those games.
Wasn't our SOS some outlandish number going into the season? Many agreed not a good schedule for Herman to open up shop.
My prediction of 7 wins only affords us one more loss. I'll call that TCU. I think now that we can get a little room to breathe on our schedule, we can put some wins together.
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West Vir wont be any picnic
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I just want the team to throttle Baylor.
For numerous reasons.
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You've really got a hate on for Baylor. I guess you have your reasons.
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I must explain my comment "Mack had me at hello". Well, he did.
My zeal for Longhorn football was 10 times in those days what it is today. I was rabid. I would eat, sleep, and sheet the Horns. I was proud of myself for attending UT. It was a great time of accomplishment and fulfillment in my life.
Except for John Mackovic. He never felt right. Once it became evident that David Mc's shock the nation tour was a fluke - I was heartbroken. I knew we had to make a change, but the change (Mackovic) just never felt right.
So we had some ups and downs with Mackovic, and because we are Texas, the downs outweighed the ups. It became apparent that he too would not be our long-term savior. So here we go again.
I had my eye on the man at North Carolina. He was a charmer, he was southern, and he built a winner at a basketball school. And then AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! EFFING DeLoss takes a shine to Gary Freaking Barnett. Now by this time, I had come to realize that DeLoss is wrong just about every time he has a thought, it's just that he looks confident when he has one. And his quips seem to make him look smart. But I knew he was dead ass wrong about Barnett.
To me, Barnett was Mackovic Part II, and DeLoss was really pissing the sheet out of me for wanting this guy. Well it turns out some big money Horns felt the same way I did. Dodds was flat ass overridden, and DKR, Jamail, and Hicks went to fetch Mack Brown.
I cried. I literally cried like a damn baby. This is why I say Mack had me at hello.
Yep. A little pony munching on a kettle of skittles beneath a rainbow. Kinda makes the underroos fit a bit snugger. Don't it?
My father and grandfather both worked on campus in menial positions when I was a youngster and brother was a gung-ho Eagle-scout to be who ushered every game so along with Captain Kangaroo, the Uncle Jay Show and my ABCs I was indoctrinated to Texas football.
As I may've said once or twice before, the first 10 years of my life the Horns won 7 SWC championships and 3 MNCs and never lost a game by more than 8 or 0 points.
I just assumed that's the way it would always be.
I remember throwing up at the 1976 Houston game when the Coogs ended the Horns' 42 game home winning streak by destroying Texas 30-0. To my sheltered 14 year old mind it was like Pearl Harbor. I couldn't imagine anything worse.
But somehow the more Texas spent the next 41 years clawing to make things right again, the steeper they'd slide. VY's 2005 season was like a break in the battle was his part in the wretched life of a lonely heart.
But for me, my paradigm shift came on January 2, 1984. Craig Curry muffed a punt and 11-0 Texas lost to Georgia.
It was the Horns closest brush with greatness in 14 years and I couldn't even feel the disappointment because - in real life - my wife had walked out on me about a week before.
Up until that time I had been an avid, rabid fan - living and dying by the Horns - emotionally bought into every high and low.
On that cold winter's day my mind was filled with fury but my heart just didn't give a crap. Not that day. Not anymore.
I'm not sure if I grew up or lost my innocence or lost my hope or lost my faith or lost my religion. Horns have never really been my heart since then. Just an amusing intellectual interest. Like sudoku might be for some.
I never felt any passion for or against any subsequent coach. Sometimes they would inspire. Sometimes they would infuriate. Mostly they annoy.
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You've really got a hate on for Baylor. I guess you have your reasons.
I was at the 1974 game in Waco when the Bears came back to beat Texas in the rain. It was like their first win over Texas in 20 years en route to their first conference championship in 50 years.
The Baylor fans that day were humbled and grateful, crying, hugging Texas fans like myself and thanking us because they were just so grateful their Bears could be a part of something like that.
Over the next several years their fans became much uglier and hateful.
You know, when I was a kid and Texas was killing everybody we were a very polite and patronizing fan base led by Wally Pryor. Think of Husker fans in the '90s. We'd applaud the efforts of the opposition and we'd even sit quietly on our hands while their QB barked his signals. We really used to be like cultured tea-sipping gentry. And why not? We were probably going to win by 40 any way.
Then came struggles in the '70s and even more struggles in the '80s. We took abuse from fans of teams who didn't know how to win. And our fanbase took names and became uglier itself because of it.
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I think Rice may be the only opposing fan base I still like.
Can't stand sand aggy or rape aggy. Or aggy.
TCU's got some pretty girls. They're hard not to like.
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I guess I find it harder to dislike another team/school. Respect usually smothers out the hate.
Many love to hate on Notre Dame. Why? Because they're Notre Dame. Which means the hate is only jealousy. I refuse to hate due to jealousy. Being a Texas fan, we are on the receiving end of a lot of that.
Sand Aggy I like. But to be clear they are surrounded by black dirt and cotton, so I've never gotten that. And of course the stench of oil.
Rape Aggy? I'm positive that 99.9% of their fan base does not support rape. And Briles doesn't work there anymore. So why hate.
Aggy? Aggy wants to be Texas so bad. But they aren't. Their obnoxiousness is borne of 2nd-class complex. Easier not to hate them once understanding their plight. Even easier now that they've lowered admission standards. They are no threat.
Land Thief? Nah, although they are historically the cheatingest institution that football has ever known. They've got asterisks running off the page next to their 48 bogus national championships, or whatever the number is. These guys could be easy to hate, but I guess since they have stuck with us through all this Longhorn Network BS, I can appreciate that.
Horny Frog? I like 'em. They came to the Big 12 and earned their spot. They pulled their panties up and got busy, and that deserves respect. And then there's the girls.
So who do I hate? The U. That's right, Miami. Except wait, they hired Mark Richt. Nope, I don't hate them anymore.
So I guess that just leaves me with the Oakland Raiders.
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In with you on the Oakland Raiders although the 49ers are a very close 2nd
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When I was a kid I used to hate Penn State.
These were the days before a whole lot of domestic immigration so Texas - even Austin - was filled with Texans.
And these were days before the internet so people lived in silos.
People in places like Pennsylvania were foreigners.
Joe Paterno sounded just like Joe Flynn on McHale's Navy. In other words, whiny and sniveling.
The '69 Nittany Lions had a chance to come to the Cotton Bowl and settle things on the field. Instead they opted to whine about it.
Then, two years later, when the 30 game winning streak was over and Texas had a craptacular team that had had its skull caved in by OU and Arkansas, Penn State finally came to the Cotton Bowl, beat Texas and acted like it meant something.
I was so delighted when Fred Akers took the Horns up the East Rutherford and beat the crap out of Penn State in Giant's Stadium. In a rare showing of offensive genius or madness, Akers flip flopped his center with a guard that day to give the Horns an offset line. Looked weird as hell. Worked like a charm.
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Joe Paterno sounded just like Joe Flynn on McHale's Navy.
Nailed that.:)
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I still remember after the 69 game Jo Pa saying the Horns could not have driven the ball 70 yards twice on the ground like they did to ND against Penn St
what nerve
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In with you on the Oakland Raiders although the 49ers are a very close 2nd
I used to love the 49ers and the Packers back when I played with electric football games. Their unis were so cool, that red/gold and green/yellow was eye candy for me.
I still think the niners have cool colors.
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OU is 2-0 over those PSU-east guys. I believe I remember Parerno causing a dust up because he dissed Switzer prior to the 1985 orange bowl. Barry had the last laugh.
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When I was a kid I used to hate Penn State.
These were the days before a whole lot of domestic immigration so Texas - even Austin - was filled with Texans.
And these were days before the internet so people lived in silos.
People in places like Pennsylvania were foreigners.
Joe Paterno sounded just like Joe Flynn on McHale's Navy. In other words, whiny and sniveling.
The '69 Nittany Lions had a chance to come to the Cotton Bowl and settle things on the field. Instead they opted to whine about it.
Then, two years later, when the 30 game winning streak was over and Texas had a craptacular team that had had its skull caved in by OU and Arkansas, Penn State finally came to the Cotton Bowl, beat Texas and acted like it meant something.
I was so delighted when Fred Akers took the Horns up the East Rutherford and beat the crap out of Penn State in Giant's Stadium. In a rare showing of offensive genius or madness, Akers flip flopped his center with a guard that day to give the Horns an offset line. Looked weird as hell. Worked like a charm.
I still remember after the 69 game Jo Pa saying the Horns could not have driven the ball 70 yards twice on the ground like they did to ND against Penn St
what nerve
My parents were fairly recent Texas grads at that time, and they loathed Paterno. They often cited this quote which I always thought was from DKR, but is attributed to Freddie Steinmark:
"We could never figure out why they didn’t choose to settle it on the grass in Dallas, rather than from a soapbox in Pennsylvania."
I was raised with that same attitude. To heck with Penn State and Paterno.