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Title: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: ATexasVol on June 29, 2019, 04:07:49 PM
Are they all nuts?  Is being mentally disturbed a prerequisite?  

Jimmy Carter Accuses Trump Admin of ‘Torture and Kidnapping Little Children’

https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2019/06/28/jimmy-carter-trump-administration-torture-and-kidnap-migrant-children/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0EB6Dgc53jJWV3bnI9P5XhkYadcl5-kuoSvfZ2flTXsr05f6F0tbM4f4A&fbclid=IwAR1d_VV_VP5e_lNOxblpIw1FicZd74Au7ULIIhZjpuYc1G4m7AlxGpYPqZI (https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2019/06/28/jimmy-carter-trump-administration-torture-and-kidnap-migrant-children/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0EB6Dgc53jJWV3bnI9P5XhkYadcl5-kuoSvfZ2flTXsr05f6F0tbM4f4A&fbclid=IwAR1d_VV_VP5e_lNOxblpIw1FicZd74Au7ULIIhZjpuYc1G4m7AlxGpYPqZI)

FORMER PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER: Every day, we send a disgraceful signal around the world that this is what the present United States government stands for, and that is torture and kidnapping of little children, separation from their parents and deprivation of those who are incarcerated. There are thousands of unknown children that are still incarcerated that hasn’t been revealed by the government itself.

I think what ICE is doing, under the orders of the president, is a disgrace to the United States, and I hope it will soon be ended. Maybe not until the 2020 election. I’m not sure, but either that or before, I hope, it will end as we change presidents.





 

Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Phantom101 on June 29, 2019, 04:33:12 PM
Sad..........just sad
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2019, 05:03:54 PM
Well, it is POSSIBLE that Trump is sending ICE across into Mexico to kidnap children and put them in concentration camps in the US.

I suppose we each can assess the probability that is true.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: DunkingDan on June 29, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
:a102:   
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Hightop77 on June 29, 2019, 05:11:52 PM
I still can't believe people actually voted for that buffoon.  
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: DunkingDan on June 29, 2019, 05:16:53 PM
I still can't believe people actually voted for that buffoon. 
If Gerald had not pardoned Tricky Dick he would have most likely won
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: fuzzynavol on June 29, 2019, 05:39:09 PM
Well, it is POSSIBLE that Trump is sending ICE across into Mexico to kidnap children and put them in concentration camps in the US.
Do you think the children came to the US of their own volition?  
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: HK_Vol on June 29, 2019, 05:48:46 PM
Since many have been caught more than once with "different parents" that don't share the kids DNA, then I'd say "yes".

https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/06/dhs-nielsen-recycling-children-border/


DHS Sec. Nielsen: Cartels Are ‘Recycling’ Children Across The Border


Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2019, 05:52:54 PM
If by children, we mean anyone under 18, clearly some of them 15-18 are coming in of their own free will.

I find it tough to get reliable information on what is happening.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2019, 06:17:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIlI386yAko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIlI386yAko)

Speaking of which ... this is entertaining.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: ATexasVol on June 29, 2019, 07:10:24 PM
Do you think the children came to the US of their own volition? 

So fuzzy, let me make sure I understand the meaning behind your question.   You think it's possible Trump is abducting children from Mexico in order to hold them in ICE detention facilities in the US?   



Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 29, 2019, 07:11:51 PM
Do you think the children came to the US of their own volition? 

Um, wut?
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Hightop77 on June 29, 2019, 08:01:23 PM
If Gerald had not pardoned Tricky Dick he would have most likely won
Maybe so, but he did the right thing.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: ATexasVol on June 29, 2019, 09:25:05 PM
More from Jimmy Carter, who is apparently senile.   And fuzzy thinks Trump is abducting children from Mexico and keeping them at ICE detention centers.  

https://www.facebook.com/Breitbart/videos/594516380957160/


Move over Alex Jones, you have some serious competition.   
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: ATexasVol on June 29, 2019, 09:54:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIlI386yAko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIlI386yAko)

Speaking of which ... this is entertaining.
There will be mass suicides in the country if we have to listen to her for 4 years.   She won't stfu.   
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: TREX on June 29, 2019, 10:07:27 PM
Sad..........just sad
Yep bless his heart
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 06:17:51 AM
I think it is completely ignorant to claim the Russians swayed the outcome even though they tried to interfere.  The intelligence agencies all agree they did not change the outcome.  I guess he said this early in Trump's presidency, but still ...
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: gymvol on June 30, 2019, 08:12:00 AM

Those of us who are old enough to remember the Carter years know just how stupid he really is.

He should keep his mouth shut Obama replaced him as worst president ever but it seems he wants his title back.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 08:15:42 AM
I personally don't view Carter as "stupid".  I understand that some people with whom I may disagree a lot may still be reasonably smart.

He has become more and more partisan over the years.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: fuzzynavol on June 30, 2019, 09:54:06 AM
I think it is completely ignorant to claim the Russians swayed the outcome even though they tried to interfere.

They didn't "try" to interfere, they interfered.
 
The intelligence agencies all agree they did not change the outcome. 

Gee, not even the Department of Mind-reading?  


[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.952941)]U.S. intelligence agencies[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.952941)]A report (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html) issued by high-ranking American intelligence officials in January of 2017 concluded that Russian operatives reporting to Putin interfered in the 2016 presidential election in favor of Trump. It was drafted and compiled by the CIA, the FBI and the National Security Agency.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.952941)]The document stated that Putin “ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election” aiming to “denigrate Secretary Clinton” and showing a “clear preference for President-elect Trump.” [/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.952941)]The Senate intelligence committee[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.952941)]On July 3, 2018, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence issued a bipartisan report (https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SSCI ICA ASSESSMENT_FINALJULY3.pdf) which asserted that the intelligence community’s findings on Russian meddling were fairly and professionally done and that more evidence had since come forward.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.952941)]“As the inquiry has progressed since January 2017, the Committee has seen additional examples of Russia’s attempts to sow discord, undermine democratic institutions, and interfere in U.S. elections and those of our allies,” the report noted.
[/color]
https://time.com/5340060/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-summit-russia-meddling/ (https://time.com/5340060/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-summit-russia-meddling/)
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Hightop77 on June 30, 2019, 09:57:44 AM
Clue for fuzzy:  Russia has been interfering in our elections for 60 years.  Not necessarily to help one side or the other but to sew the seeds of dissent and to make the ground fertile for commie activists.  The sad thing is how Democrats used all of this to damage a sitting President and attempt to remove him from office.  The real problem is not Russians.  The real problem is radical Democrats.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 10:04:48 AM
The examples I've seen of Russian ads and FB memes and whatever else have been amateurish at best, and they spent FAR less on this than the campaigns.

They did however achieve their objective.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Hightop77 on June 30, 2019, 10:08:33 AM

They did however achieve their objective.
Who, the Russians or the Democrats?
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 10:09:36 AM
The Russians.  Our intelligence agencies all agreed they attempted to interfere with the goal of sewing dissent in the outcome.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: fuzzynavol on June 30, 2019, 10:38:00 AM
The Russians.  Our intelligence agencies all agreed they attempted to interfere with the goal of sewing dissent in the outcome.
The primary goal was a Trump victory.  
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: fuzzynavol on June 30, 2019, 10:39:08 AM
Clue for fuzzy:  Russia has been interfering in our elections for 60 years.  
Leave the wise-old-sage routine to Cincy.  

You should just stick to trashing minorities.  
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Hightop77 on June 30, 2019, 10:42:28 AM
Leave the wise-old-sage routine to Cincy. 

You should just stick to trashing minorities. 
That seems to be your go-to response now after you get bitch slapped.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Hightop77 on June 30, 2019, 10:43:50 AM
The primary goal was a Trump victory. 
No one could be that stupid to actually believe that considering how the Obama administration took it up the rear end from Putin.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: steve37777 on June 30, 2019, 10:55:31 AM
You go Hightop...Outstanding.
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Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 11:22:10 AM
The primary goal was a Trump victory. 

That was not the assessment of our intelligence services.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: billyboy75 on June 30, 2019, 11:29:23 AM
Facts are irrelevant for Fuzz.  Its all programmed mantra.   Democrats were admirers of Russia from 1917 until 2 years ago.  What changed that?
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 12:48:11 PM
The ICA states that:
We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.[2] (https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/committee-findings-2017-intelligence-community-assessment#_ftn2)

Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: ATexasVol on June 30, 2019, 01:05:19 PM
The primary goal was a Trump victory. 

You have lost your mind.  The Russians wanted to foment dissent in our political process, and they succeeded because the Democrats won't accept the results of the election.   

Why would they favor a Republican over Hillary and her reset button anyway?  
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 01:15:17 PM
I can't imagine that the Russians really thought their puny efforts would have any pivotal impact.  They did hope it would cast doubt on the outcome and weaken the US Presidency.  They were as surprised as anyone when Trump won.

Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: ATexasVol on June 30, 2019, 01:35:14 PM
I can't imagine that the Russians really thought their puny efforts would have any pivotal impact.  They did hope it would cast doubt on the outcome and weaken the US Presidency.  They were as surprised as anyone when Trump won.



I don't know about you, but I voted for Trump because of some meme on Facebook.  


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Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 01:38:16 PM
The examples I have seen of Russians efforts were awful, amateurish and bad, versus the billions spent by the campaigns.

Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: fuzzynavol on June 30, 2019, 02:33:10 PM
The Russians wanted to foment dissent in our political process

To what end?  What's the benefit of "dissent?"  Is that what they told you on Fox News?  They knew whatever dissent they were able to foment was good for Trump.  Generally speaking they want to see right-wingers win everywhere in the world.  

You're going to be shocked if you ever educate yourself on the extent of their meddling.  I'd dig it up for you but I'm not inclined to waste my time because you're impervious to facts from objective, verified sources.  

and they succeeded because the Democrats won't accept the results of the election. 
 
You mean like the birthers as lead by Donald Trump?

I defend the positions that I take, not those of others.   

Why would they favor a Republican over Hillary and her reset button anyway? 

They favored Trump - I'm not going to argue non-controversial, established facts that are only disputed by the farthest right extreme fringe who probably find Alex Jones too moderate.  

Never too late to join reality, Texie.  Don't give up on yourself.  
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: billyboy75 on June 30, 2019, 02:48:56 PM
ukraine is russian, formerly part of russia, and it tried to tip the scales for Hillary, another well known fact:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435029-as-russia-collusion-fades-ukrainian-plot-to-help-clinton-emerges
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: billyboy75 on June 30, 2019, 02:50:31 PM
And some more facts, Fuzz:

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/429292-the-case-for-russia-collusion-against-the-democrats
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 03:10:51 PM
Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: steve37777 on June 30, 2019, 03:40:32 PM
Guys that's a couple standing 8 counts for the fuzz.....You guys were merciless...
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Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Cincydawg on June 30, 2019, 03:43:02 PM
Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency.

This is from the government ICA (assessment) chartered by Obama, which perhaps is reason to doubt it.  But, in this case, it makes sense.  They figured Clinton would win but wanted to weaken her as President for obvious reasons.

Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: billyboy75 on June 30, 2019, 04:13:33 PM
That may be, but they knew they could control Hillary, they had before.

Trump was an unknown.   Turns out, he is tough on Russia.  Much more so than Bill or Obama had ever been.

Russia wanted discord.  That is all.  

We interfere in elections all of the time.   They interfere in ours all of the time.

Nothing to see here.  
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: HK_Vol on June 30, 2019, 04:33:17 PM
Andrew Sullivan: The Democratic Candidates Are in a Bubble on Immigration. (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/andrew-sullivan-democrats-are-in-a-bubble-on-immigration.html)


SNIP:
I’m told that, as a legal immigrant, I’m shutting the door behind me now that I’ve finally made it to citizenship. I’m not. I favor solid continuing legal immigration, but also a reduction in numbers and a new focus on skills in an economy where unskilled labor is increasingly a path to nowhere. It is not strange that legal immigrants — who have often spent years and thousands of dollars to play by the rules — might be opposed to others’ jumping the line. It is not strange that a hefty proportion of Latino legal immigrants oppose illegal immigration — they are often the most directly affected by new, illegal competition, which drives down their wages. . . .

When I’m told only white racists favor restrictionism, I note how the Mexican people are more opposed to illegal immigration than Americans: In a new poll, 61.5 percent of Mexicans oppose the entry of undocumented migrants, period; 44 percent believe that Mexico should remove any undocumented alien immediately. Are Mexicans now white supremacists too? That hostility to illegal immigration may even explain why Trump’s threat to put tariffs on Mexico if it didn’t crack down may well have worked. Since Trump’s bluster, the numbers have measurably declined — and the crackdown is popular in Mexico. I can also note that most countries outside Western Europe have strict immigration control and feel no need to apologize for it. Are the Japanese and Chinese “white supremacists”? Please. Do they want to sustain their own culture and national identity? Sure. Is that now the equivalent of the KKK?



Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: HK_Vol on June 30, 2019, 04:39:19 PM
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Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Hightop77 on June 30, 2019, 05:04:23 PM
That may be, but they knew they could control Hillary, they had before.

They already owned Hillary through corruption and buying her in the Uranium One deal.  That doesn't even count the fact she is completely incompetent as documented in her time as Secretary of State.  Having her as President would have been a massive disaster for America.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: Hightop77 on June 30, 2019, 05:09:11 PM
Guys that's a couple standing 8 counts for the fuzz.....You guys were merciless...
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In all fairness, fuzzy has a damned near impossible job, coming on here each day and trying to defend the Democrats and be an apologist for the likes of Obama and Hillary Clinton and their indefensible actions.  Obviously his only strategy can be to attack Trump but with Trump's record of success that also becomes an impossible task. 
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: billyboy75 on June 30, 2019, 05:29:22 PM
I too respect Fuzzy's stubborn intelligence.  He is a formidable debating foe.  Of course, he is almost always wrong so it makes it easy to win the debate.
Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: fuzzynavol on June 30, 2019, 06:12:51 PM
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Title: Re: Democrats have totally lost their minds
Post by: ATexasVol on June 30, 2019, 07:02:02 PM
The Russians wanted to foment dissent in our political process

To what end?  What's the benefit of "dissent?"  Is that what they told you on Fox News?  They knew whatever dissent they were able to foment was good for Trump.  Generally speaking they want to see right-wingers win everywhere in the world.  

You're going to be shocked if you ever educate yourself on the extent of their meddling.  I'd dig it up for you but I'm not inclined to waste my time because you're impervious to facts from objective, verified sources.  

Oh come now fuzzie.   Just because I don't exclusively rely on "designer news" that is filtered to me by the MSM whose job it is to bury stories that make Democrats look bad?  Unlike you, I'm piecing together information and questioning the latest media narrative that even though Trump didn't collude, the Russians still helped him.   You're not in possession of all of the facts because you immediately reject any news story that doesn't come from Comedy Central or CNN.  You only get one side of the story, and it shows.   You didn't even know about the "Russia reset button" until I told you.   

And forgive me if I am dubious about the conclusions of the leading intelligence agencies.  Aren't those the same ones that all used the phony dossier to conclude that Donald colluded with the Russians.   You're like a baby bird, beak open, ready to take in the pablum fed to you by the media.  


and they succeeded because the Democrats won't accept the results of the election. 
 
You mean like the birthers as lead by Donald Trump?

I defend the positions that I take, not those of others.   

This has nothing to do with your position.   The Russians want to sew distrust in our political system and weaken the country by fomenting incessant arguing.  All you have to do is listen to some of the extreme - and all too common - anti-Trump vitriol that is spewed by people these days.  They get it from social media, MSNBC, CNN, and now Jimmy Carter.   

Why would they favor a Republican over Hillary and her reset button anyway?  

They favored Trump - I'm not going to argue non-controversial, established facts that are only disputed by the farthest right extreme fringe who probably find Alex Jones too moderate.  

I'm sure you're unaware that the Russians were behind the anti-Trump rallies that took place immediately after the election.  Don't take my word for it, Rod Rosenstein said it in Feb 2018.  If the Russians favored Trump, why organize the anti-Trump rallies?  

Facts aren't extreme just because they don't fit in with the narrative you are being fed.  

Never too late to join reality, Texie.  Don't give up on yourself.  


I'm not going to join the rest of you.  
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