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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on April 06, 2019, 07:12:54 PM
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I'm expanding the defense card choices in my c&d college football game and wanted to share ideas and take advice.
So instead of each defensive call affecting one type of offensive play call, they will affect two. So instead of a defensive card saying "zone blitz" to affect short passes, they will now include a front 7 call combined with a DB call.
The combinations are as follows:
inside run/outside run...............Front pinch / Corner Blitz
inside run/short pass................DL Stunt / Cover 1 Robber
inside run/long pass.................Double A Blitz / Cover 3
outside run/short pass..............LB Contain / Press Man
outside run/long pass...............Strongside Shift / Tampa 2
short pass/long pass................Zone Blitz / Quarters
So i need paired defensive calls to combat each pair of offensive play calls. I'll share what I have and you guys can tell me if you've got a better idea or if one stinks, etc. See above^^^
So take the last one....my thinking is the zone blitz will have DL dropping back, invisible to the QB, and the'll defend the short pass by knocking passes down or picking them off. The quarters call is just a cover 4 deep behind it.
What say you?
*I already have a goal line card for every team. I may make a prevent one, too.
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Not a bad combo. Quarters coverage is actually an excellent runsupport defense because it has pattern matching and you can get 8 or 9 guys in the box.
Combined with a zone blitz the only potential weakness is a screen pass or quick pass to the swinging RB.
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Thanks.
I know all of these combinations will have weaknesses, but I want to focus on if they work for the type of offensive plays they're paired with. Also, for any terminology that may be improved.
If i want the quarters to be more of a deep zone, should I specify "deep quarters"?
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No need to- you have it right already. Quarters can cover up to 4 vertical (deep) routes but also plays the short outs aggressively. The. Two safeties pattern match the inside WRs if they go short or long, and the two corners do the same, so they stay near the line of scrimmage unless the guy they are covering goes deep.
I should not have used the word “weakness”, the better word might be susceptible.
There should be no visual clues given by the defense if they are running the combo you have selected, so the odds of a swing or screen pass being called are moderate.
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I have a question about how plays are called in the huddle, if anyone knows what would be an example of a "typical" offensive play that seems to require more time and a defensive play which often seems to be 1-3 words.
My locker at camp was next to that of Brian Finneran and we were on the same team as well and I never had a chance to ask him (he played in the NFL). We chatted about all sorts of other things. He's a pretty good center fielder incidentally.
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https://www.dummies.com/sports/football/offense/how-quarterbacks-call-plays-and-audibilize-during-football-games/ (https://www.dummies.com/sports/football/offense/how-quarterbacks-call-plays-and-audibilize-during-football-games/)
For example, the quarterback may say “686 Pump F-Stop on two.” Here’s how that breaks down:
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It's just segments of assignments....on offense it could be the formation, then the hole/blocking scheme for a run or the routes for the receivers/TE on offense. On defense, it'll be the front 7 formation then the pass defense behind it - but with the understanding that the offense's formation or motion may call for an audible. The better your captain knows the defense, the later he can audible, even off the offense's audible.
I like the idea that LSU did under Miles - naming each blitz package after a different state
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I'm interested in some examples of specific calls, like the one I found on line.
I also see the OL pointing and calling out stuff at the line, there is a lot going on down there presnap. Duh.
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I often hear the O-line shouting out the Mike or middle LB. not sure why that's not obvious to the group
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Oh, you'd be surprised how clueless players can be, outside their own, specific assignments. And many lack the spatial awareness to go from the right side to the left side when many assignments are simply flipped...it's too much for them to handle at game speed.
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I'm interested in some examples of specific calls, like the one I found on line.
I also see the OL pointing and calling out stuff at the line, there is a lot going on down there presnap. Duh.
You can type it nearly any old coach and year and get their playbook or some semblance of it on google. I can get Spurrier's '95 playbook and download it in a few seconds.
https://www.footballxos.com/download/1995-florida-offense-pdf/
Give it a try.
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awesome, thanks
just grabbed Osborne's option offense from 83, 96, and 97
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I like to watch a CFB game where I have no Dawg in the fight. I spend time watching one player on defense so long as he's in the screen. There is a lot of "stuff" going on, and I don't understand much of it beyond the rudiments. Obviously, on offense this is more true as the center, usually, looks around and points and yells stuff, then the QB comes up to the line and often points with both arms at some defender, I presume he's doing that to signal to the RB who he is to pick up on a blitz scheme. Then the QB wiggles fingers behind his back, obviously only the running backs see that, obviously refining the play call. We all see this of course, but the complexity it seems to me adds to the odds of a missed assignment somewhere.
How often do you think that happens? We hear stuff like "We want to play assignment football.", duh. We want to execute. All that suggests to me that the chances of NOT executing properly is rather high. And if the defense misses an assignment we might have a long run or open WR (which happens obviously).
Then I wonder how much of this changes post snap, a safety for example sniffs out a play and runs to where the ball is going to be, or he doesn't.
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Well, the pointing to the middle LB (Mike) isn't exactly because he's specifically all that important, but because he's the guy you start with to identify where all of the other positions are at. If I'm the TE and I can only see 2 LBs from where I'm setting up, it'd be nice to know which one is the MLB so that I may seek out the correct guy to block.
Missed assignments happen a lot because the assignments, at least along the OL, are difficult to begin with. Often times, the G and T need to block the DT and get up to the 2nd level (LB) - and where he's going to be during the play, not where he is at the start. Sounds fine, right, unless the DT is in a 3 technique (outside shoulder of the G) and firing out into the gap between the T and G. Sure, the T can block down on him, but as the play progresses, that T is trying to give him to the G to continue blocking himself as to free up the T to get to the LB.
Or a simple reach block where that G has to get his head across that DT and block him by himself as the ball comes up right behind him...
I'd never want to play QB at an elite level. You've got man (if the defenders are good enough) all kinds of zone looks. You can have zone behind man or vice-versa. A corner blitz with the rest of the back 7 rotating around during the play....safeties cheating up before sprinting 30 yards back or vice-versa....it's nuts.
And any one little thing can make a perfect play become a crap play....a throw that's too soft or too low, a lazy route run, a RB cuts back too early or too late, an OL doesn't get to the 2nd level, etc....
It's hard to get 11 people doing a perfect job simultaneously in any walk of life, much less when there are 11 people working against your 11. And even when you have all 11 doing their job, you have that safety you mentioned recognize something during the play, and blows it up. That's just film study. The DE who identifies a screen before anyone else can ruin it. If a LB knows your tendency of going to the quick slant on his blitz may just cancel it and get an easy INT.
It's a hard game with lots of through behind it...and if you're caught thinking during the play, you're toast.
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It's fun for me to discuss the complexities of the various schemes and what can go wrong.
I presume at the NFL missed assignments rarely happen.
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Does ESPN ever do something like "The Game Behind the Game" where they get into all of this?
I know they mike up players at times.
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They used to have "Edge NFL Matchup" with Ron Jaworski & Merrill Hodge. I guess the Skip Bayless crowd wasn't into it - not enough eyeballs. They did deep-dives into individual plays from the high endzone "coach's cam" and all that.
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I'd watch some deep dive into some college plays for half an hour. Todd Blackledge would be great at it I think, he does a little of this in games.
"The defense is in a basic set here, but you can see the safeties taking deep drops at the snap, and this safety reads the QB's eyes and drifts left leaving the tight end being covered badly by this OLB. The QB now looks off the safety and throws a strike down this middle to Rozsinsky for a big gain. Now, also note that the running back did a great pickup on the OLB who had the edge, he almost missed that, while the center missed his man entirely, but the tackle was able to chip him."
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They used to have "Edge NFL Matchup" with Ron Jaworski & Merrill Hodge. I guess the Skip Bayless crowd wasn't into it - not enough eyeballs. They did deep-dives into individual plays from the high endzone "coach's cam" and all that.
Yup
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Obviously there are all sorts of fans of a sport. A few, probably, are interested in the ins and outs and details. Many probably just bet on the outcome and their interest just about ends there. Others watch their team play and nothing else and watch the ball. I'm sure we've all been to some SB Party with 30 people and perhaps 4 tried to more of less watch the game.
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I'm always "that" guy at the SB party
I get myself a Uecker seat in front of the TV
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I won't go to some party to watch a game that is meaningful to me.
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I stay home for many Husker games when they are meaningful
the Vikings haven't been in the SB for a few decades
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I made the mistake once of too loudly inviting my buddy over to watch a game the next day, and like three of our wine drinking friends overheard and wanted to come because they knew there would be wine. Holy cow. We had a nice line up, UGA played in the afternoon and then OSU played that evening, significant games. My buddy is a big OSU fan.
These women talked nonstop. They'd ask some irrelevant question about the game while we were trying to hear what sort of penalty was just called. At halftime, I got the wife who was upstairs to come offer them something to eat upstairs which she did. My buddy and I never made that mistake again.
After the half, I cracked open a rather nice bottle for the two of us to share. UGA won in overtime and OSU won in double OT. We were exhausted after all that.
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I have 3-4 watch party buddies I invite to my small house regularly for Husker games
usually 1 or 2 will show up.
More than 5 in my living room becomes crowded and of course serving food and drinks can interfere.
having a couple guys that know the drill is great and enhances the experience, having folks that don't understand or appreciate the graveness of the situation can be troublesome
the guys that know the drill fend for themselves and will grab a beer for me during a commercial break
non-football fans are best served in another room
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Yup. I had two good friends in Cincy that were both OSU fans and had good times watching with them, both like good wine also. One just emailed me he wants to come back this fall to ATL, they visited us once already, to watch football and drink wine.
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I don't watch big Florida games around other people. It's for the best.
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It's amazing how emotional we apparently rational people can get when people we don't know are playing some game that really has no impact on our lives.
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Well my in-game reactions/focus prevent the outcome from bothering me the rest of the day. I probably stopped being bothered by outcomes after the game was over in my early 20s.
As for watching the game, I only get how I am for Florida - I can friviolously enjoy other teams. For Florida, I'm probably watching with the same attitude as a coach is...I can see the play call and know what should happen vs who screwed up or who made a great play. I'm a good 3-4 seconds ahead of the announcers on that stuff - friends just know that about me.
I'm as harsh on the coaches as I am the players. I'm not overly emotional or yelling, just very focused and a loud clap for a Gators TD, something like that.
People just cause distractions.
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Obviously, my in depth knowledge is lacking, but I'm trying to learn.
I know baseball pretty well in part because I played the game (and still try, but at a "different" level).
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Obviously, my in depth knowledge is lacking, but I'm trying to learn.
I know baseball pretty well in part because I played the game (and still try, but at a "different" level).
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ughh
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Yeah, if you watch baseball where you just "watch the ball" it's going to seem pretty boring and pointless. It's more fun to play than to watch, but at my age it's not a good sport to play. My legs just give out no matter how many sprints I do before camp.