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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on December 01, 2018, 10:58:46 AM
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Looking at Big Ten games, it's Blough in ypg and completion percentage. Patterson in Passer rating and Total QBR. I think Blough is the better passer, but I'll give the slight edge to Patterson due to his legs.
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I gave it to Blough based on yardage and TDs
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I voted McSorley mostly because I didn't think he had much around him and still had a pretty good season
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McSorely had more than Blough?
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More what?
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I gave it to Thorson because he got his team to C.C.G. and because Marcel's not present
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Looking at Big Ten games, it's Blough in ypg and completion percentage. Patterson in Passer rating and Total QBR. I think Blough is the better passer, but I'll give the slight edge to Patterson due to his legs.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2018/leader/827/player/split01/category02/sort02.html
It was pretty close on a lot of metrics. Patterson had higher rating, but not by much. Blough had higher completion percentage, but not by much. Obviously you can't rate them on ypg due to system and volume, but the one knock people might have on high-volume passers (yards/att due to the short passing game) isn't the case as Blough has a very slightly higher y/a as well.
Patterson has better rushing stats, but Blough is actually a pretty solid runner. He's hampered by the fact that in CFB, sack yardage goes against the QB's rushing yards, and he was sacked more than Patterson. Blough didn't have a huge number of designed runs, but scrambled well when necessary.
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Blough has the advantage of playing for Jeff Brohm. Not sure how good he’d be playing for a pair of offensive dumbasses like Harbaugh and Pep freakin Hamilton.
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I gave it to Thorson because he got his team to C.C.G. and because Marcel's not present
2 solid reasons
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Blough has the advantage of playing for Jeff Brohm. Not sure how good he’d be playing for a pair of offensive dumbasses like Harbaugh and Pep freakin Hamilton.
There is that. I'd say the scheme is friendlier for Blough. However, my point re: yards/att is that it's not like Blough is just dinking and dunking his way down the field. He's made a lot of great downfield throws too.
And IMHO, Blough would do better if he had Michigan's OL, running game, and receivers. Right now all he's got is Moore.
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And IMHO, Blough would do better if he had Michigan's OL, running game, and receivers. Right now all he's got is Moore.
Bough would do MUCH better if he had Michigan's defense to get him the ball with Field position
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There is that. I'd say the scheme is friendlier for Blough. However, my point re: yards/att is that it's not like Blough is just dinking and dunking his way down the field. He's made a lot of great downfield throws too.
And IMHO, Blough would do better if he had Michigan's OL, running game, and receivers. Right now all he's got is Moore.
Michigan’s RB is pretty good but not explosive. Solid chain mover though. Purdue’s backs are more explosive than Higdon imo.
Michigan has some really talented WR’s. One that is always hurt and two that aren’t featured. Not sure how much their talent matters if they aren’t utilitized to their full potential.
I’d love to see what Jeff Brohm would do with a kid like Chris Evans and receivers like Michigan’s.
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Bough would do MUCH better if he had Michigan's defense to get him the ball with Field position
I think that cuts both ways. Also means Patterson had shorter fields, and I assume was out of the game earlier more often.
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agreed, but he would also have more wins and that obviously helps in the voting
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agreed, but he would also have more wins and that obviously helps in the voting
These things usually go by stats.
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unless you're Nubbz
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Bough would do MUCH better if he had Michigan's defense to get him the ball with Field position
I think that cuts both ways. Also means Patterson had shorter fields, and I assume was out of the game earlier more often.
Well, you can cut that out of the equation by avoiding yards/game in the stats. Whether it's shorter fields or whether it's scheme, Blough had WAY more attempts, completions, and yards than Patterson.
That's why I didn't rely on total yards. I was pointing out that Blough had a rating just barely behind Patterson, and completion percentage and yards/att higher than Patterson. It's essentially like in basketball, using pace-adjusted stats rather than raw.
Blough was second in the league in completion percentage, second in yards/att, and a very close third in rating. Blough did have a slightly worse interception rate (1 int per 53.1 attempts vs Patterson's 57.8 attempts). He also a slightly lower TD/attempt rate, but then again that might be due to the point you make above where Purdue had longer fields.
For me, I voted Blough partly because I'm a homer, but also partly because I think he was critical to the team's success. The offense didn't start truly clicking until he took the starting job away from Sindelar. Given that he was not surrounded by a lot of talent, I'm not sure Purdue wins 6 games without Blough. I don't think Patterson was as important to his team.
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agreed, but he would also have more wins and that obviously helps in the voting
These things usually go by stats.
unless you're Nubbz
Or the Heisman committee...
While it's sometimes nice to just give awards to the best player on the best team, I think we're not that lazy.
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For me, I voted Blough partly because I'm a homer, but also partly because I think he was critical to the team's success. The offense didn't start truly clicking until he took the starting job away from Sindelar. Given that he was not surrounded by a lot of talent, I'm not sure Purdue wins 6 games without Blough. I don't think Patterson was as important to his team.
I don't know, as frustrating as the playcalling was at time, Michigan's offense was MUCH better this year than last, and really the only difference was adding Patterson. It's splitting hairs, and honestly I don't get voting for any of the other three, but I'd say Patterson is 2-a and Blough is 2-b.
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we're not that lazy
Nubbz wasn't lazy either
it's a tough call, between Paterson and Blough
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I don't know, as frustrating as the playcalling was at time, Michigan's offense was MUCH better this year than last, and really the only difference was adding Patterson. It's splitting hairs, and honestly I don't get voting for any of the other three, but I'd say Patterson is 2-a and Blough is 2-b.
yup, either is the correct choice
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unless you're Nubbz
Or me. Go Cats.
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I don't know, as frustrating as the playcalling was at time, Michigan's offense was MUCH better this year than last, and really the only difference was adding Patterson. It's splitting hairs, and honestly I don't get voting for any of the other three, but I'd say Patterson is 2-a and Blough is 2-b.
Honestly, really the only difference. Well Ed Warriner as well. He definitely improved that crap OL and made them an above average unit.
Last year the play calling was just as terrible but the offense was 10x worse because the OL was a sieve and the QB play was god awful.
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I get that, but also, how many times did we say Michigan could be pretty good if they just had competent QB play. Well, they had competent QB play, and they were pretty good. Is Shea outstanding or just competent?
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Voted Purdue. Might just be expectations. I thought Patterson could be better. Didn’t think Brought could be that good. They were kinda even, so maybe that split it for me.
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Voted Purdue. Might just be expectations. I thought Patterson could be better. Didn’t think Brought could be that good. They were kinda even, so maybe that split it for me.
I've always been big on Blough, was vocally mystified by his nonsensical QB rotation last year that IMO really held them back.