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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on September 11, 2017, 08:43:13 AM
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130th out of 130 teams in passing yards allowed.
Fortunately Army is coming up...
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If you watched those games, then that stat is not particularly alarming.
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Linebackers were particularly rough against Oklahoma. Didn't seem to be in position against run or pass
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And MSU ranks #1 in the conference in fewest penalty yards, a stat I never expected I'd see, after any amount of time.
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Passing yards allowed is always the stat most prone to warping. Since average passes go farther, it gets stretched the most by pace and extreme offenses. OSU's pass defense hasn't been good and is crazy young, but 130th is mostly a product of other things:
No tomato can, where most other teams have 1 or 2
Facing a pair of real offenses
Facing the sixth-most pass attempts per game (51.5), which came in games that weren't blowouts for most of the contest
Facing probably the top passing offense from last year with a Heisman finalist at the helm and an explosive IU attack with big receivers.
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the yards don't worry me a ton, but having only 2 picks, and not having more sacks is a bit alarming.
I don't have any clue what our LBs are doing, Oklahoma had so many easy throws 10 yards from the line of scrimmage in the middle of the field with nobody even close, that's a big problem. I'd expect to see this team see a ton of screens to RBs, TE's slipping in the middle of the field, WR's cutting across the field. they'll need to figure that out.
the better stat I saw was ben rothlisberger has more wins at Cleveland browns stadium since 1999 than any other NFL QB. yes, that includes Cleveland QBs
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surprised it is NOT Nebraska
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surprised it is NOT Nebraska
They are next at 390 YPG. tOSU has allowed 403 YPG.
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"Lies, damn lies, statistics."
While true, simple ypg allowed can be misleading. For example, a stat like pass defense ypg is going to be influenced by your own offense. If your offense can't get first downs, the other team will possess the ball more, run more plays, have more opportunities to pass, and rack up more pass yards, even against a good pass defense.
If I'm looking at raw data, I prefer yards per play. This at least mitigates some other factors and gives clearer focus to the defense's performance. Ohio State is still in trouble there, at 96th in the country with 7.8 ypp allowed against the pass, but not close to last.
Next you have things like schedule, game plan, and junk time. Maybe OU is really, really good at throwing the ball. Or maybe they throw it a lot more than average. Either or both of those things will artificially affect raw ypp. Maybe IU was in the bag in the 4th quarter and the Bucks sent the 2s in, who gave up yards. I don't know anything in raw data that can sift through that.
For those of you who don't know about Football Outsider's advanced metrics, S&P+, FEI, and F/+, check 'em out. They're not perfect (no stats are), but they do a great job and I really like their philosophy. Their formulas are proprietary, I think, so you can't get a look at how they're getting what they're getting, but their thought process is detailed on each stat's page. They attempt to throw out garbage time, factor in SOS, efficiency, things like "havoc rate" for defense....stuff like that. You can look at pass defense/offense, rush defense/offense, team defense/offense, and sort by all the categories included. The F/+ is an amalgamation and is basically the power rankings of teams, or how "good" they are, similar to the poll Mr. Pac Ten used to do here. I forget which is which out of the S&P+ and the FEI, but one is more of a per play basis and one is more of a per drive/possession basis. So you get variations in the two rankings on their offensive and defensive outlooks, but probably not wildly different.
They're interesting, even if you don't agree with them. They usually line up decently well with my subjective opinion after watching teams/games even if raw data doesn't seem to back me up. I think there's something to it.
They won't be out until about week 6 or so, but you can look at previous years to get an idea about it.
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I think MikedeTiger's comments are relevant and important. Going down that road:
Indiana passing vs UVA:
- 19/30 for 197 yards (6.6 per attempt), 2TD's, one INT.
Indiana passing vs tOSU:
- 42/68 for 420 yards (6.2 per attempt), 3TD's, 2 INT's.
Oklahoma passing vs UTEP:
- 32/36 for 496 yards (13.8 per attempt), 4TD's, 0 INT's.
Oklahoma passing vs tOSU:
- 27/35 for 386 yards (11.0 per attempt), 3TS's, 0 INT's.
Ohio State's pass defense at least looks better than UTEP's and Virginia's. I'm not saying that Ohio State's pass defense is great (it isn't) but it also isn't nearly as bad as the raw passing yards allowed stat suggests. I would submit that if every team in the Country had started their schedule with Oklahoma and Indiana then Ohio State wouldn't be anywhere close to last.
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I would submit that if every team in the Country had started their schedule with Oklahoma and Indiana then Ohio State wouldn't be anywhere close to last.
Indiana and Oklahoma probably wouldn't put up as many yards if they had to play that many games in two weeks.
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Indiana and Oklahoma probably wouldn't put up as many yards if they had to play that many games in two weeks.
LoL, yeah probably not.
That thought actually occurred to me when I typed that but I thought "posters here will understand what I meant". Somebody had to be the smarta**!
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Arky St. passing vs UNL
46-68 = 415 yards
Ducks passing vs UNL
25-33 = 365 yards
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LoL, yeah probably not.
That thought actually occurred to me when I typed that but I thought "posters here will understand what I meant". Somebody had to be the smarta**!
Just because we understand what you mean, doesn't mean we'll pass up the chance to be a smartass