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Title: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 29, 2018, 11:03:53 AM
Lot of unknowns all season with both of these teams (injuries for MSU, the seemingly never ending Durkin thing for Maryland), has led to performances all over the map.  At their best MSU has a road win at Penn State and Maryland has a neutral site win over Texas.  At their worst, Michigan State has a home loss to Northwestern, and Maryland has a home loss to Temple.

I could see an MSU blowout win, a Maryland blowout win, or anything in between.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 29, 2018, 11:12:39 AM
Sounds like there's a chance Cody White could return this week.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 29, 2018, 11:13:51 AM
Interesting thing about the Terps (at least to me):  They are 3-2 in the B1G and they have yet to have anything even resembling a competitive game.  Their three wins all came at home over three of the worst teams in the conference (MN, IL, RU) and all were by at least 27 points while their two losses came on the road against two of the better teams in the conference (M, IA) and both were by at least 21 points.  

This game is a home game against a team closer to their level than any of their previous five B1G opponents.  It should at least be a more competitive game.  
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 29, 2018, 12:05:31 PM
CB Josiah Scott was cleared to play prior to the game, but MSU decided to give him another week to get up to speed, since he can now play in every game and still redshirt, although he'd have to sit out the bowl.  Sounds like there's a chance they may sit him instead again against Rutgers, play him in the bowl, and still keep his redshirt.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: mcwterps1 on October 29, 2018, 08:49:35 PM
Are you ready for the awesome Blackout!?!?

Wait until we rock the stadium in all black.......at noon....all 5,000 Terp fans.....

Anyway, maybe we'll have a surprise guest on the sideline....
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 29, 2018, 08:59:47 PM
Dantonio got his annual clunker out of the way. I think MSU will be pretty solid the rest of the way. I like Sparty in this one. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 29, 2018, 10:01:10 PM
Dantonio got his annual clunker out of the way. I think MSU will be pretty solid the rest of the way. I like Sparty in this one.
He doesn't so much have clunkers as is frequently inconsistent.  I'm sure he has more clunkers and more gems in store.  It wouldn't shock me at all to lose this game and beat OSU next week.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 30, 2018, 12:03:15 PM
Matt Allen and Cody White not listed on the depth chart, still no Josiah Scott or David Beedle either.

Justin Layne, Jordan Reid and Joe Bachie, all injured against Purdue are listed on the depth chart.

For QB it says Lewerke OR Lombardi.  Let that controversy begin.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 30, 2018, 01:55:07 PM
this will be one of the best games to watch, I think. Won't find more inconsistent teams in the B1G this year week to week than these two.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 30, 2018, 02:45:44 PM
Matt Allen not travelling, but both Cody White and Josiah Scott will, although both are questionable to play.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 30, 2018, 02:46:46 PM
Woah, D.J. Durkin will be back on the sidelines Saturday.  Not sure I like that as far as intangibles factors go for MSU's chances.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: mcwterps1 on October 30, 2018, 04:01:10 PM
Woah, D.J. Durkin will be back on the sidelines Saturday.  Not sure I like that as far as intangibles factors go for MSU's chances.
You missed my post? 
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 30, 2018, 04:07:58 PM
Fascinating. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 30, 2018, 04:20:28 PM
this will be one of the best games to watch, I think. Won't find more inconsistent teams in the B1G this year week to week than these two.
I do not think that Maryland has been as inconsistent as you are thinking.  I think it is just a matter of who they have played and where:
So far all of their games have either been home games against the worst four teams in the league or road games against the best four teams in the league.  The top four teams are 8-3 at home while the bottom four are 1-9 on the road.  

I don't think it is so much a matter of Maryland being inconsistent as that the games they have played are the easiest (home games against the worst teams) and the hardest (road games against the best teams) possible games.  The next two weeks are very interesting for the Terps as they have a home game against #5 and a road game against #12.  If you reversed the H/A I would think it safe to assume that they would beat Indiana in College Park and lose to Michigan State in East Lansing.  As it is scheduled 2-0, 1-1 (either way), and 0-2 are all realistic possibilities.  
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 30, 2018, 04:24:30 PM
You missed my post?
I don't see one here
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: mcwterps1 on October 30, 2018, 04:27:22 PM
Are you ready for the awesome Blackout!?!?

Wait until we rock the stadium in all black.......at noon....all 5,000 Terp fans.....

Anyway, maybe we'll have a surprise guest on the sideline....
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 30, 2018, 04:31:07 PM
I assumed you meant Shawne Merriman or something was going to be an honorary captain, like how UM will have Chris Webber on their sideline this week.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: mcwterps1 on October 30, 2018, 04:35:24 PM
Could go either way.

Sounds like SOME players walked out of Durkin's address to the players.

May be ugly.

I'm sure it's pretty tough not having your coach for the whole year, playing for Canada and seeing some success, and then having Durkin come back. It's really up to Canada now. They should all have known there was a chance Durkin would be back on the sidelines this year.

It will be very interesting to see who suits up and who doesn't show up on Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 30, 2018, 04:39:55 PM
Yeah, too early to say.  It's all going to be a very weird vibe, as you've said, with it all being a random cold noon game anyway, but trying to give it a fake big game feel.  MSU is guilty of doing that in the past too.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:44:14 PM
Michigan St minus 1.5

not touching this game
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: mcwterps1 on October 30, 2018, 06:51:04 PM
I also have to believe that in talking to the current players before today what may happen, they took into account what they think.

I'd have to believe an overwhelming majority want him back before allowing it or making a decision. 

If not, an even bigger colossal failure to ignore them, then how it looks to outsiders. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 30, 2018, 07:20:11 PM
I also have to believe that in talking to the current players before today what may happen, they took into account what they think.

I'd have to believe an overwhelming majority want him back before allowing it or making a decision.

If not, an even bigger colossal failure to ignore them, then how it looks to outsiders.
That was my thought.  They knew some amount we're going to be pissed either way, and they had to have some idea of the numbers before making a call.
I'd like to think they'd make the call, either way, based on what's right, but no big time programs, mine included, operate that way anymore
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 31, 2018, 06:58:21 PM
And now they fired him?

No clue what we get from Maryland on Saturday
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: mcwterps1 on October 31, 2018, 07:32:51 PM
They waited too long for this whole Fiasco.

The players are now in love with Matt Canada and what he's done with them throughout this whole thing. Pretty awkward to have the coach come back in the three-quarters mark of the season.

No matter what the investigation said, no matter how it absolves the head coach of any wrongdoing, a player died, so nothing matters.

Morgan State had a player die in the same manner before the season even started in 2014. No uproar. The coach was then coach of the year in that conference.

This is all a strategic move by the lawyer for the McNair family and it paid off.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 31, 2018, 08:02:49 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: MaximumSam on October 31, 2018, 09:47:53 PM
Well, Durkin's case that he was fired without cause was improved by a million percent
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: Reyd on October 31, 2018, 09:55:13 PM
Someone or someones on the board wanted to keep Durkin. Whether they thought Durkin was worth it or they didn't want to pay the buyout I have no idea. If they were willing to threaten the pres with his job it is my opinion they didn't care what the community wanted and so they never asked.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 01, 2018, 06:59:07 PM
LOL! 

MICHIGAN ST wins this easily.

Team is in shambles and torn.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 02, 2018, 10:22:34 AM
We had also wondered if the TEs were still just continuing to struggle, or there was an offensive philosophy change, but it seems like it was all due to QB preference.  Lombardi made better use of the tight ends last week than we've seen since Cook.  O'Conner, Terry and Lewerke seemed to completely ignore them.  It was nice seeing sophomore Matt Dotson showing why he was the highest rated TE recruit MSU has had since probably Dion Sims.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on November 02, 2018, 11:14:47 AM
LOL!

MICHIGAN ST wins this easily.

Team is in shambles and torn.
Most teams would be like 1-7 going through all this. 
5-3 under the circumstances is rather impressive. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 02, 2018, 11:31:21 AM

Michigan State Spartans (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland Terrapins (3-2, 5-3)
NOON - College Park, MD - espn2
You take probably the two most schitzo teams in the conference, then add in the events of the past couple days, and I have zero idea what to expect here.  At their best Michigan State has a pair of wins over ranked teams, and completely shut down a Purdue offense that lit up Ohio State.  At their worst, they lost at home to Northwestern, and looked completely inept against Michigan.  Maryland has a neutral field win over Texas, and three dominant Big Ten wins.  At their worst, they have three blowout losses, including one to Temple.  Then you mix in the past week.  There is certainly some level of fracture among the team, but its unclear just how much, how much is misreported, but how much is out there unreported.  Is the fracture better with Durkin gone than if Durkin had been coaching?  There's no way of knowing.  What has been surprisingly steady, particularly in the absence of Durkin, has been the Maryland defense.  The Terps are third in the conference in total defense, particularly stingy against the pass, leading the conference with 10 interceptions, and their opponents completion percentage (45.9%), yards allowed per attempt (6.2), yards allowed per game (163.6), and defensive pass efficiency (99.9) are second across the board to only Michigan.  Yes, the Rutgers game helps, but they also held Nate Stanley to just 86 yards on 11-22 passing.  Michigan State has been absolutely awful running the ball all year.  Every single offensive line starter has missed some time, and L.J. Scott is only now returning.  But the problems there began before the injuries.  At times, even now without their top two wide receivers, Michigan State has had enough of a passing game to get by.  Even without Brian Lewerke last week, Rocky Lombardi stepped in, and the passing game actually improved.  Maryland isn't anything near Michigan up front, but the Wolverines were able to stymie Michigan State with just four guys, and their secondary gave the Spartan receivers no breathing room.  Lewerke found no windows.  Michigan State's passing attack is not predicated on a bunch of timing routes, and hitting windows, they have longer developing plays.  This is probably the best secondary Michigan State has faced all season aside from Michigan, and if the Terps can force the same small windows, the Spartans offense will not move the ball.  This really probably comes down to strength on strength.  Maryland is picking up 6.8 ypc on the ground, best in the Big Ten.  Michigan State is only allowing 3.2, second best, while allowing a league low 4 rushing touchdowns.  If Maryland can stay ahead of the sticks, and use play action effectively, they should have just enough offense.  If the Spartans front can win first down, and force Kasim Hill into some obvious passing downs, Michigan State should be in good field position all day.  That's been the story in the short history as conference foes.  In 2014, Michigan State held Maryland to 0.4 ypc, and C.J. Brown was forced to throw a career high 43 passes in a 37-15 loss.  In 2015, Michigan State held Maryland to 2.9 ypc, and Perry Hills was forced to throw a career high 30 passes in a 24-7 loss.  Last year, Michigan State held Maryland to 2.7 ypc, and Max Bortenschlager was forced to throw 25 passes in a snowstorm in a 17-7 loss.  But in Maryland's lone win, in 2016, they ran for nearly 6 ypc, and had two backs go over 100 yards.  As far as Xs and Os go, whoever wins that battle between Maryland's run game and Michigan State's run defense should win the game.  But it's college football, and it's hard to ignore the emotions on Maryland's side coming into this game.  Will they be galvanized or splintered?  That might be the most important question.
MICHIGAN STATE 24, MARYLAND 21
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: ELA on November 02, 2018, 02:06:25 PM
The closer it gets to game time, the more I don't think Lewerke is ready.  If he's not 100%, I think you have to go with Lombardi, he showed plenty.

Problem is if he's good again, how the staff handles it not just for the rest of this year, but next year too.  This staff has torpedoed their own offense multiple times in the past with QB rotations.  They hate to piss off a kid and tell him he's the #2.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 02, 2018, 05:53:08 PM
Most teams would be like 1-7 going through all this.
5-3 under the circumstances is rather impressive.
Multiple top 30 recruiting classes by the guy exonerated by 2 reports kinda helps.
Wonder what we could do if the world would treat us like they do others who have these issues.
Jordan would have died at any school, given his own irresponsibility that day, PER THE REPORT.
Title: Re: Michigan State (3-2, 5-3) at Maryland (3-2, 5-3) Game Week
Post by: TyphonInc on November 02, 2018, 07:13:59 PM
Multiple top 30 recruiting classes by the guy exonerated by 2 reports kinda helps.
Wonder what we could do if the world would treat us like they do others who have these issues.
Jordan would have died at any school, given his own irresponsibly that day, PER THE REPORT.
But Social Media.
It's sorrowful that a young man lost his life in this fashion. The sanctity of Human Life trumps the ridiculousness of Social Media Firings, but these are way past annoying. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 03, 2018, 03:05:18 PM
MSUs DL seems to be getting better as the season goes on.  Hill and the RBs never had a chance, Maryland couldn't block anything.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 03, 2018, 03:08:46 PM
MSUs DL seems to be getting better as the season goes on.  Hill and the RBs never had a chance, Maryland couldn't block anything.
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Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 03, 2018, 05:40:55 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanobleness/status/1058797794423660544?s=19
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 03, 2018, 06:08:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanobleness/status/1058797794423660544?s=19
4th time Matt Canada's offense was stopped dead. Whooptee doo da. 
Team fractured
No HC
Great win. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 03, 2018, 06:47:28 PM
Wouldn't have mattered.  OL couldn't block anything.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: Hawkinole on November 03, 2018, 11:07:52 PM

Jordan would have died at any school, given his own irresponsibility that day, PER THE REPORT.
l don't agree it is all on Jordan McNair. He did what coaches insisted he do. The University did not do what it was supposed to do, including the athletic training staff. And the coaching staff was not up to speed on standards for heat exhaustion. http://www.dbknews.com/2018/09/30/jordan-mcnair-maryland-football-heatstroke-death-investigation-timeline-walters/ (http://www.dbknews.com/2018/09/30/jordan-mcnair-maryland-football-heatstroke-death-investigation-timeline-walters/)
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 03, 2018, 11:26:43 PM
l don't agree it is all on Jordan McNair. He did what coaches insisted he do. The University did not do what it was supposed to do, including the athletic training staff. And the coaching staff was not up to speed on standards for heat exhaustion. http://www.dbknews.com/2018/09/30/jordan-mcnair-maryland-football-heatstroke-death-investigation-timeline-walters/ (http://www.dbknews.com/2018/09/30/jordan-mcnair-maryland-football-heatstroke-death-investigation-timeline-walters/)
I never said it was all his fault  
However, what you fail to add is the fact he was on medication that raises body temperature, he ate only one meal (bowl of oatmeal), and never touched his pre-workout gallon of water.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 03, 2018, 11:49:27 PM
Wouldn't have mattered.  OL couldn't block anything.
That's right. 
Distractions never matter.
You beat a well-oiled machine on their field today.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: Kris60 on November 03, 2018, 11:59:12 PM
That's right.
Distractions never matter.
You beat a well-oiled machine on their field today.  ;)
This is your MO, though. It wouldn’t have mattered if any outside distractions had happened or not.  Anyone who beats Maryland you either bitch about the officiating or give an opposing fan a million reasons why they shouldn’t feel good about the win or both.  
Same ol’, same ol’.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: ELA on November 04, 2018, 12:08:38 AM
That's right.
Distractions never matter.
You beat a well-oiled machine on their field today.  ;)
No, we beat a flawed team on their field today by dominating the trenches and jumping on a couple loose balls first.  We've played one well oiled machine, and lost 21-7 on our own field.
Title: Re: Michigan State (4-2, 6-3) at Maryland (3-3, 5-4) Post Game
Post by: mcwterps1 on November 04, 2018, 01:22:05 AM
I'm not taking away from what the defense did. 

I mentioned it earlier that the one on one battles were won..

You just make it seem like they beat Ohio State  

Maryland is not the same team as last week, and the Distractions were more about focusing on maryland  than Michigan state

For some reason, this Android version, or Swift Key keyboard, doesn't like displaying my punctuation, so you'll have to forgive my lack of giving a shit

I've seen more activity on Twitter from more Maryland players this week than all year

So yes.... Distracted and fractured team, unfocused  

And yes  penalties are handed out like trick or treat candy all year to Maryland..... Fact