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The Power Five => Big XII => Topic started by: CousinFreddie on September 09, 2017, 11:45:58 PM
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Nice. Mr Riley is off to a great start.
OU and tOSU are now 2-2 alltime. Four straight road wins in the series. Trippy.
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BOOMER!
What an awesome win. It has been quite a while since the Sooners played that well in the trenches. :93:
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Very nice win for the Sooners, congratulations. Looks like it'll be OU and oSu vying for the B12, as expected.
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While I enjoyed our win yesterday even though it was against a cupcake I have to admit
I enjoyed the OU victory more
way to go sooners
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Oh, and hi cuz! Glad you made it to the new place!
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Was really impressed with OU's poise early. They seamlessly picked up the QB rotation and didn't waste a down. They didn't panic when tOSU moved early in second half... and methodically did their thing. Good outing and over the hump.
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In recent years OU has beaten Alabama, Auburn and Ohio State. Not to shabby. :smiley_confused1:
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I was stunned at how wide open the H-back routinely was out of OU's base set. I can't tell if that's multiple busts/confusion on OSU's part or just Lincoln Riley's greatness.
We're often running a similar set this year. I wonder if we might be able to create any chunk plays from the H-back spot like OU did.
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Great win, OU!
I also was able to catch this one and it was a great showing for the Sooners and the Big12!
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Lincoln Riley knows fairy dust.
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Still, major questions about Lincoln Riley remain.
How hard and how far can he kick puppies?
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Lincoln Riley knows fairy dust.
^I wish like hell he'd say something to that ends after what was said last week.
good comment!
That OU offense has their timing and positions at late season form on week two. the picks set up by the linemen and when that H back comes across the middle on that bubble is a thing of beauty- i don't think anyone can stop that when it's ran properly... they may have the ponies to take them down as soon as they catch it, but i don't think they can stop it w/o laying the wood on that back off the line... and a dude (the Hback) who appears to be blocking and in space because he 'missed his block'... feeding off that defensive over pursuit... it was impressive and good for at least ten every time they ran it.
i hear the tOSU fans complaining about their team's effort/planning/execution, but i don't read it that way at all- i think OU could have beaten anyone Saturday night, and were destined to win because of their level of execution. w/o silly t/o's early, that score could have been out of hand at the half. that isn't anything against tOSU, but speaking highly of OU. i still think tOSU is a top ten team, easily.
the one third quarter pass the officials ruled incomplete on the field that gave OU a 1st and goal at around the six or so (iirc) was also a thing of beauty. he caught that ball w/o question, and the overturn was only fair. the thing about it: it could not have been placed any better than it was. i don't care who was defending that pass- given the receiver had the hands to make it happen, that ball was perfectly placed over the defender and outside of his control... he was painted on the receivers backside and still didn't have a chance... after that, i had to give that QB the respect he's been getting. i was thinking it was way too early to be calling a player a Heisman front-runner, but Mayfield is a truly gifted passer and player to pull that (and others similar) over and over... drilling it when it needed to be, floating it other times. he's truly impressive.
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I guess I'll cut Kingsbury some slack due to Patrick Mahomes - but to have Baker Mayfield riding the pine on your roster is not the mark of coaching prowess.
Course Mack let Manziel go to A&M, so there's that too.
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Oh, and hi cuz! Glad you made it to the new place!
Thanks cuz. Not much critical mass here, Sooner-wise, but I'll check in from time to time.
Hope all's well on your end.
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Great week to be a Sooner, I would imagine. Great win in Columbus and even Sam Bradford looked great on Monday.
I loved the way Baker Mayfield ran around like an idiot, planted the flag and then apologized a few days later by saying he had no idea it was a faux pas because it's what Sooners just naturally do every time they beat Texas.
There were two really beautiful things about that comment.
1. It validated everything everybody outside of Oklahoma imagines about Oklahomans innate inability to be couth.
2. It also validated the fact that Texas might go 5-7 from now on and we'll still be under Oklahoma's skin and the motivation for everything Sooners do.
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Great week to be a Sooner, I would imagine. Great win in Columbus and even Sam Bradford looked great on Monday.
I loved the way Baker Mayfield ran around like an idiot, planted the flag and then apologized a few days later by saying he had no idea it was a faux pas because it's what Sooners just naturally do every time they beat Texas.
There were two really beautiful things about that comment.
1. It validated everything everybody outside of Oklahoma imagines about Oklahomans innate inability to be couth.
2. It also validated the fact that Texas might go 5-7 from now on and we'll still be under Oklahoma's skin and the motivation for everything ...
Blah blah blah. Believe it or not but at the moment I don't believe OU is thinking much about Texas. You don't see me or other Sooners posting on Texas threads here do you? Coz frankly, and I don't mean any offense, not really, but you all are one big yawn at this point.
And, seriously? You aren't even aware that Baker Mayfield is from Texas? Austin. He led Lake Travis HS to a state championship even. So as you point the finger at us, you have three pointing back at yourself.
So I'm not sure what is he validated last Saturday, whether it's a keen ability to lead his team to victory against a stout opponent, or a keen penchant for acting crazy as a loon in the froth of victory, but I'm pretty sure of one thing:
You would have loved it if a QB like Baker had been sporting burnt orange, not crimson and cream, last Saturday.
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Blah blah blah. Believe it or not but at the moment I don't believe OU is thinking much about Texas...
Baker Mayfield referenced Texas in his apology. Hence, my post.
Are you isolated in cabin somewhere like the Unibomber or what?
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Not to mention, Lake Travis High is basically Baja Oklahoma anyway. That kid's not really a Texan.
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Why is it sooner fans delight in pointing out all the Texans that make it a good team
Hell Texans make most teams better then their local state talent
Look at Oklahoma States roster
Better watch out sooners cause the cowboys just might out Texan ya
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Baker Mayfield referenced Texas in his apology. Hence, my post.
Are you isolated in cabin somewhere like the Unibomber or what?
You claimed he was an Oklahoman in your post. Hence my rebuttal, which I see you're dodging but what else is new. You've been dodging my barbs for about 20 years - lol.
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You've got 4-5X the population of Oklahoma and an excellent high school football tradition, just like Oklahoma. The Sooners would be crazy not to recruit Texas.
UT could have recruited Mayfield, but they didn't. Oh well.
You're right 320 about OSU. They're probably the toughest game left on the Sooner schedule. It's a double OSU doozy of a lineup for OU this year. But btw Mason Rudolph is from South Carolina not Texas.
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I just looked at the rosters for OU and OSU
The sooners have 37 pf 99 players from Texas
The boys have 51 of 99 players from Texas
like I said, the sooners are doomed
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I just looked at the rosters for OU and OSU
The sooners have 37 pf 99 players from Texas
The boys have 51 of 99 players from Texas
320 - Could I outsource you for various internet research that I don't have time to do? My secretary resigned last week.
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You claimed he was an Oklahoman in your post. Hence my rebuttal, which I see you're dodging but what else is new. You've been dodging my barbs for about 20 years - lol.
Is David Boren an Oklahoman? Was Sam Houston a Texan? Is Bruce Willis an American?
Are we defined by where we choose to live or where our parent's chose to live?
Hmm...
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Doomed - the favorite word of Texas fans hereabouts.
Hey Utee - I didn't realize the southern edge of Sooner Nation made it all the way to Austin. Man, what's left of Longhorndom?
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Lake Travis ain't Austin. It's a weird, weird place. Lots of meth out there, so the kids fit right in when they make it to Norman.
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Slick - yes after 20 years of posting "here" I'll have to agree with utee's nickname for you.
You way over-reached, trying to say that Baker exemplifies Oklahomans when he grew up in Texas, played high school football in Texas and tried at first to play for a Texas college team.
Just accept it. You made a boo-boo. I still love you regardless, in non homo erotic kind of way.
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Slick - yes after 20 years of posting "here" I'll have to agree with utee's nickname for you.
You way over-reached, trying to say that Baker exemplifies Oklahomans when he grew up in Texas, played high school football in Texas and tried at first to play for a Texas college team.
Just accept it. You made a boo-boo. I still love you regardless, in non homo erotic kind of way.
Okay, I get the non homo way but surely it's somewhat erotic. It's football.
Be a man, like Bret Bielema and just admit it. Conversations in September are much chubbier than conversation in April or July.
As for the other part... you denying that the current face of Sooner football exemplifies Oklahoma. Well, I'll just let you off the hook for that.
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320 - Could I outsource you for various internet research that I don't have time to do? My secretary resigned last week.
sure but all you really need is to be retired like me
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sure but all you really need is to be retired like me
my better half is too high maintenance
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'Grandpa said to Cousin Jed, sitting on the porch, "I won't retire, but I might retread"'
- Neil Young
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Neil Young sucks. A voice like nails on a chalkboard.
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Neil Young sucks. A voice like nails on a chalkboard.
And your obsessive need to always make this same old negative nancy comment every time Neil is quoted has the same grating effect.
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And your obsessive need to always make this same old negative nancy comment every time Neil is quoted has the same grating effect.
So Neil has been quoted numerous times? Once a decade should be sufficient.
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A) We Okies gladly claim Baker. There is a good chance we will have a statue of him.
B) As much as I love a good Sooner/Longhorn brawl, this just doesn't move the meter. Maybe if the Horns are ever relevant in football again it would be worthwhile.
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If he leads OU to #8, I'd be glad to see a statue to Mr Mayfield.
Agree about relevance and Texas. It'd be nice to see them up again, but right now they're just another good but not great opponent on the calendar. Not much happening there and the Terps just hung 51 on them at home so I don't see 2017 shaping up any better.
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Texas isn't even a good but not great opponent.
Hopefully someday we'll get it together, but this doesn't look like the season.
Sucking sucks.
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Your fundraising efforts to bribe me back to Austin seem to be going poorly.
i AM the pixie dust.
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Sadly I'm flat busted.
Turns out raising kids costs MONEY.
Who knew???????
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Sadly I'm flat busted.
Turns out raising kids costs MONEY.
Who knew???????
Just wait till its college time
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Oh they've already been told that if they want to go to college, they better get a full ride on scholarships.
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good luck on that
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Thanks! I went on a full academic scholarship, no reason they can't, too.
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Slow start but OU pulled it together.
Okie St, Texas and TT all had good games yesterday. TT and OSU come in back to back weeks on the OU schedule.
In fact that five week run starting with Texas, then KState, TT, OSU in Stillwater, then TCU, looks pretty hairy.
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....then TCU, looks pretty hairy.
I just pictured a horny toad with Bridget Bardot hair.
The thought almost made me smile.
If it had been wearing a bikini too, I might've grinned.
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TCU cheerleaders cannot be measured on a 1-10 scale. It has to go to 11.
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"My friend, Bob, what do we need to make the country grow?
I said my friend, John, Brigitte Bardot
Anita Ekberg
Sophia Loren
Country'll grow"
- Bob Dylan
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Interesting cross-section of Big 12 cheerleaders shown here:
http://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city/gallery/college-football-s-finest-cheerleaders-from-around-the-big-12-092215
OU clearly has the cutest gals, at least in these photos, in my totally biased opinion. And, I'd go for WVU for second.
Not sure what's going on in Kansas, but perhaps they're going for substance and not looks ...
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"My friend, Bob, what do we need to make the country grow?
I said my friend, John, Brigitte Bardot
Anita Ekberg
Sophia Loren
Country'll grow"
- Bob Dylan
You gotta be kidding me. Now Dylan? What is it with Neil Young people also liking Dylan? Holy manic depression.
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heh - thanks Nurse Ratched. Knew that'd get cha. Too easy really.
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I've always liked and respected Dylan but really done a deep dive into his discography. I think I'll get started on that.
Meanwhile, BOOMER!
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Supposedly Sam Cooke was so impressed with Bob Dylan's "The Times, They Are a Changin'" that it inspired him to write "A Change Is Gonna Come."
I've always been a big fan of "Tangled Up in Blue." I love how well the lyrics tell a story, conjure images, provoke thoughts and fit together so well.
Plus, I've always had a fondness for songs about strippers. 'Main Street' by Bob Seger is, of course, a great song about about a stripper.
But you know, the very best song about living with a stripper and being obsessed with a stripper is probably Norah Jones' "I've Got to See You Again."
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My favorite song about a peeler was written by Ray Wiley Hubbard.
It is entitled: "OU sucks."
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If anyone should require a list of recording artists that are more musically redeeming and recreationally rewarding than Neil Young and Bob Dylan, I have about 28 pages I could send you.
At least Bob Seger was mentioned above. A welcome deviation.
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[member=21]CharleyHorse46[/member] tangled up in blue is far and above my favorite Dylan tune... Bob Seger is the greatest songwriter who lived by my reckoning- not only his own stuff, but things he's written for others... they don't come often like that.
[member=15]utee94[/member] Ray Wylie Hubbard is also amazing... he taught me how to finger-pick 'his way' at his joint out in Beverly. I've got a page in my notebook where he drew it out for me... if you play, I'll be happy to share. it's not that it is coveted because of what it says, but it's coveted because Ray Wylie freakin' Hubbard wrote it out with his own hand and handed it back to me.. He lives near Kevin Welch, who is a friend of mine, and who is a tremendous talent when it comes to songwriting- and his style of music suits me. I've learned a lot from that crowd- and the biggest thing I learned is: I needed to pursue other means of binding body and soul...
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Bob Seger's a great songwriter. I'm not sure if he's the greatest ever, but he's up at the top. Other favorites of mine that might belong on that "Mount Rushmore" are Willie Nelson and Prince. We could go on forever of course.
And I'm a huge fan of Ray Wiley Hubbard. I've been lucky enough to see him play tons of times around Austin, since he tends to hang out with Jerry Jeff Walker and the Gonzo folks. I've met him but never interacted with him personally, that's very cool that you got to hang out. And no, I'm not much of a picker. My dad is great, and I used to hack around with him a bit, but it never really rubbed off, sadly.
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It sounds very pedestrian, but I can't think of any songwriters to top Lennon/McCartney.
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When I was a yonger man, it seemed important to myself and my peers, to have mental lists up for discussion and under constant scrutiny and modifications.
What's your favorite book? Who's your favorite author? What are your top ten favorite movies? Who are the best songwriters? And the ever marvelous, if you could only have one album on a deserted island, which one would it be?
Such fabulous exercises for getting to know friends better, assessing their tastes and showing off.
But as I've gotten older, I've actually become more open minded and less opionated.
I don't like the same things I liked when I was 20. Sometimes I don't even like the same things I liked 6 months earlier.
The world is too full of possibilities to ever pin oneself down.
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Today Sammy Cahn is my favorite songwriter. Tomorrow it might be Khalid.
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Wait. Did I say Sammy Cahn? That was so 5 minutes ago. Now, I'd swear it's Burt Bacharac.
Or Kris Kristofferson.
Or Tyler the Creator.
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But as I've gotten older, I've actually become more open minded and less opionated.
Ok fine. I can live with Neil Young.
But Dylan? Nope sorry, I'm still too young, closed-minded, and opinionated.
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My gf just got me a double-disc collection of Van Morrison. He's always been nothing more than the "Brown Eyed Girl" guy to me. That's unfortunate, because he's got a lot of stuff I'm just now enjoying, and I'd have to say Brown Eyed Girl is not all that indicative of the bulk of his career. He's at the top of my current favorite singer/songwriter list.
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Love Van Morrison, Into The Mystic is probably my favorite song of his.
Love Kris Kristofferson, Sunday Morning Coming Down is definitely my favorite song of his. Johnny's version is probably the best, but I like his own version quite a bit too.
It'd be impossible for me to name even ten "favorite" Willie Nelson songs, but I will say that "Angel Flying Too Close To The Ground" is probably the most moving of them for me, time after time.
Speaking of Time After Time, anyone ever hear Willie's version of that Cyndi Lauper song? Pretty darn good.
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Speaking of Time After Time, anyone ever hear Willie's version of that Cyndi Lauper song?
The hell you say. Really?... never heard it.
Willie doing Cyndi Lauper?.... I just can't see it. That's like Conway doing My Sharona.
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Conway covering The Knack? Now you're just taking crazy pills.
Seriously, Willie's version of Time After Time is pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_R7KBHrkZ0
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Hmmm, that was supposed to be an embedded Youtube video.
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Or Johnny Cash doing Nine Inch Nails. It can't ever happen.
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That was such an awesome version of that song.
At the time, Bono had a great quote, he said, "Trent Reznor was born to write that song, but Johnny Cash was born to sing it..."
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Seriously, Willie's version of Time After Time is pretty good.
Hmm, I'm not laughing at it. Willie is Willie, he's a legend no matter what he chooses to sing.
I've always preferred Waylon when it comes to outlaw country, I'm not sure if that makes me less Texan. Waylon's music really plugs into my life and attitude, whereas for me Willie is more just background pool-shooting music.
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Waylon's all good, too.
They called it Outlaw country because it went against the grain of the Nashville sound, but Waylon's songs definitely also had a real "outlaw" aspect to them, that Willie's never did.
Later they started calling it "Progressive Country." My dad was the GM at KOKE-FM at the time, and his radio station promoted all the big concerts from Willie, Waylon, Kris, Jessi Colter, Johnny Cash, and so many others. As a little tike, I got to go backstage and meet many of those legends. Pretty cool.
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Junior, 'splain somethin to me like I'm 6 years old.
Who was the 1970s mainstream country music Willie & Waylon were rebelling against?
Ray Price? Charlie Pride? Charlie Rich? Ronnie Milsap? Larry Gatlin?
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Conway covering The Knack? Now you're just taking crazy pills.
Seriously, Willie's version of Time After Time is pretty good.
I'm aware and working on this... it worked fine a month ago... now? I'll figure out why....
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Who was the 1970s mainstream country music Willie & Waylon were rebelling against?
I'm not sure Waylon, Willie, etc. were rebelling against anything, they were just expressing themselves and making music as it suited them.
My opinion is that outlaw county was dubbed as such due to the long hair and unshaven look - which was anti-Nashville up until that point.
As far as themes present in the music - Waylon's music didn't really change much over time. Even his early songs had that renegade machismo, even when his look complied with the norm.
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My dad was the GM at KOKE-FM at the time, and his radio station promoted all the big concerts from Willie, Waylon, Kris, Jessi Colter, Johnny Cash, and so many others.
Now that is a seriously cool Dad job. My Dad was a postmaster. But he did take us to a filming of Hee Haw once.
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Hmm... okay. Thanks, BC.
I met Waylon Jennings once. He was still clean shaven then. I was about 7. Must've been about 1969. My momma took me out of school and up to the record department at GC Murphy's in Hancock Center.
That was circa 'Only Daddy That'll Walk The Line."
We hit it off. He doted on me. Probably cause my momma was one fine ass Okie who looked like Gene Tierney.
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Now that is a seriously cool Dad job. My Dad was a postmaster. But he did take us to a filming of Hee Haw once.
Mmm Gnilla Hutton Nurse Goodbody the fuel of many of my young dreams.
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I'm not sure Waylon, Willie, etc. were rebelling against anything, they were just expressing themselves and making music as it suited them.
My opinion is that outlaw county was dubbed as such due to the long hair and unshaven look - which was anti-Nashville up until that point.
As far as themes present in the music - Waylon's music didn't really change much over time. Even his early songs had that renegade machismo, even when his look complied with the norm.
Much in the same way I used to wonder what was the difference between Grunge music and Alternative music.
I finally decided the former was the subgroup of the latter who didn't take baths.
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Willie Nelson could wake up, stumble out of bed, trip over his guitar and then cuss, record it, and I'd buy it and love it.
I won't pretend he's my favorite, but when I think the idea of music soothing your soul, he does that for me better than pretty much anybody.
His Seven Spanish Angels duet with Ray Charles is one of my favorite things ever.
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Much in the same way I used to wonder what was the difference between Grunge music and Alternative music.
Yeah I guess somewhere in the early 90's is when all that started (?)
Rock music was already a mockery by that point, as pretty boy "hair" bands littered up the scene with shallow, 3 minute, half-baked, wanna-be Kiss songs, each with a poor man's Van Halen guitar solo.
Then almost overnight, it went one of two ways. Along came Metallica and Nirvana. Then all subsequent bands started sounding like one of those two, and as far as I can tell, it's still that way.
I loved the late 60's, 70's, and some early 80's... back when you knew exactly who a band was because they all had a unique sound. By mid 80's music was in the crapper for me.
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Speaking of country covers of non-country songs, Glen Campbell does a great cover of Green Day's "Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)"
https://youtu.be/fPpJT3QRRnk
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just so you feller's know, the 'outlaw' wasn't exactly their rebellious music, it was them thumbing their noses at the Nashville mechanism that takes personality out of music....
Kevin Welch spoke to me about his daughter (who endured a terrible accident last year about this time, surviving but short a limb).. she was contracted to write 8 songs, and did so. after turning them in to the studio, they called her and wanted to discuss them. they wanted to change key words- making the songs about religion, patriotism, and being vengeful toward her boyfriend...... because that was the direction, at the time, the studio's were pursuing. Also, a few alterations would be made by the singer that purchased/recorded them, giving them credit for the writing.
gotta love that shit.
kevin welch wrote 'pushing up daisy's', and it was purchased by Garth Brooks for a princely sum- and key elements rewritten, and now GB has the accolades of writing it... but you can still find them on youtube by either performer... that machine- nashville- is being challenged by folks like Welch, along with RWH, reckless kelly, steve earle, ect... collectively called 'cross-sountry' or (humorously) 'outlaw country'... also 'Americana'.... and i could care less about any of this, i just dig the shit out of that genre whatever you call it.
and by the way- i got the youtube thing working again if'n ya didn't notice.
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I think y'all have answered Slick's question pretty well. It was the idea of being able to express yourself, and a rebellion against the Nashville machine that removed personality and individuality.
But there was also a very distinct, slickly produced "Nashville sound" that the outlaws didn't adopt. Gatlin brothers certainly fell into that, as much as I loved them. Ronnie Milsap, too. Plenty of others.
But mostly, it was their attitude about the music machine in Nashville, that pushed them to record and promote their music elsewhere.
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no talk of Boren retiring on the Boomer thread?
a few months after Stoops retires
but, speaking of Waylon............. and song writing
The only two things in life that make it worth livin'
Is guitars that tune good and firm feelin' women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfg8_B6OzqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfg8_B6OzqE)
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I think y'all have answered Slick's question pretty well. It was the idea of being able to express yourself, and a rebellion against the Nashville machine that removed personality and individuality.
But there was also a very distinct, slickly produced "Nashville sound" that the outlaws didn't adopt. Gatlin brothers certainly fell into that, as much as I loved them. Ronnie Milsap, too. Plenty of others.
But mostly, it was their attitude about the music machine in Nashville, that pushed them to record and promote their music elsewhere.
The contrarian in me loves that. But ironically*, Nashville is the only stronghold left out of the old music hubs that is still cranking out "music" as I think of it. Not the bro-country BS, but everything else worth listening to for me is done there now. Used to be my favorite musicians operated out of L.A. Now if you record there your album is going to be pointed and clicked, copied and pasted together. If you want live instrumentation and that big, fat analog sound, you're gonna do it in Nashville. New York is toast as well. All the artists who sprang from those hubs either moved with that trend, or else they're going to Nashville to do their records, which I find funny for some reason.
*yes, I know I used "ironically" wrong. I blame Alanis Morissette.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJOWe02uBIw
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The only two things in life that make it worth livin'
Is guitars that tune good and firm feelin' women
Speaking of cover tunes earlier, Waylon did a fantastic remake of Can't You See (What That Woman Is Doing To Me)
I think Waylon's version went way higher up the charts than the original. (Marshall Tucker Band)
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I don't know much about the Boren situation. If any of our resident Sooners have some info on what that's all about, I'm all ears.
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All I know is the publicly available information. He is retiring at the end of the school year in June 2018.
He, Joe Castiglione, and Bob Stoops were very close. Bob Stoops had a clause in his contract that he could take another job penalty free if Boren left. Makes me wonder if Bob's retirement had an affect on Boren's desire to stay.
Boren is 76 years old so retirement sounds like a good idea to me.
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as the years go by this song becomes more and more meaningful to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMiEFyTuuh8
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320 you're in yesterday's thread. We're chatting in the nebby thread today.
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320 you're in yesterday's thread. We're chatting in the nebby thread today.
I guess I didnt get the memo
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I reckon the game against Baylor worked out pretty well. BU looked better than predicted, and could have easily won that thing, and OU looked worse than predicted, but kept their heads, and eventually still came out on top. And it was a road game, so that makes it more excusable regarding the playoff folks when they look back on this Sept game against a fairly weak (at least it appears but who knows) conference foe.
So, now the coaches and players have a week to assess what went wrong, and what could be tweaked, and then a game against ISU at home before hitting the real white water in the schedule, starting with Texas.
Of course, as any Pokes fan would be the first to tell us, no one should over look Iowa State. Provided OU can get ahead of them early and stay there, though, it will be a good chance to get things tuned up before heading into the depths of hell, south of the Red.
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Speaking of cover tunes earlier, Waylon did a fantastic remake of Can't You See (What That Woman Is Doing To Me)
I think Waylon's version went way higher up the charts than the original. (Marshall Tucker Band)
DJ's mostly play the Marshall Tucker Band version up here in the great white north
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Marshall Tucker Band - good stuff. I saw them in Tulsa back in the mid 1970s, one of my earliest concerts. Classic. It's fine for WJ to do a copy-cat version, but nothing beats the original.
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Great Sooner comeback today up in the Little Apple. Big day by soph RB Rodney Anderson.
Way to go OU!
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Way to go Sooners! That’s 5-0 sweep this year over Texas teams.
Funny how OU had it easier over highly ranked TCU than they did vs Texas. Guess that’s just the rivalry factor.
But seriously that’s a pretty good Horned Frog outfit and OU really rolled through them.
On to Kansas! Let’s not have upsets guys.
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Frothy.
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Iowa State.
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Frothy.
I plead guilty of froth. Just enjoying it while it lasts, which might be just through this Friday for all I know.
Actually it's that Big 12 championship game, if OU continues to win out and makes it, that gives me the most pause. It will be a repeat of some game played through the season, and so that team will already have a good read on the Sooners.
If OU does win out, they would make the playoffs almost for sure, just based on the regular season record including beating three top 10 caliber teams in tOSU, oSu, and TCU. This year it would have been far better not to have a championship game. Ironic.
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I really, really don't get the B12 CG with a round robin schedule and without divisions.
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Yep, seasons like this are special and not to be taken for granted.
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I really, really don't get the B12 CG with a round robin schedule and without divisions.
This point has been repeatedly discussed Mike pay attention
all the CG game will do is possibly give a playoff bound team another loss and the Big12 has no rep
very little up side
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I really, really don't get the B12 CG with a round robin schedule and without divisions.
The Big 12 has an uncanny way of doing it to itself. This gem of an idea is sure to bring same payback.
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Looks to me that it will be OU and TCU in the CG
cant wait
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. . . Actually it's that Big 12 championship game, if OU continues to win out and makes it, that gives me the most pause. It will be a repeat of some game played through the season, and so that team will already have a good read on the Sooners.
If OU does win out, they would make the playoffs almost for sure, just based on the regular season record including beating three top 10 caliber teams in tOSU, oSu, and TCU. This year it would have been far better not to have a championship game. Ironic.
Conventional wisdom among fans close to the program is that Riley went dead-solid-conservative in the 2nd half against TCU to avoid giving away anything more than what he had already done.
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Looks to me that it will be OU and TCU in the CG
It won't be a replay of that OU cakewalk you saw the other night.
I think at the time the CG was added, the Big 12 fully anticipated adding two more schools, and was pipe-dreaming that another P5 school might be interested. But it was not to be, and BYU got blown up by the PC crowd.
So here we are with a rematch, and I fully expect a goofy result.
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If TCU beats OU in the CG the CG game will be voted out before March
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If TCU beats OU in the CG the CG game will be voted out before March
Why? It paid the bills.
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Well, maybe TT can upset TCU out in the windswept godforsaken desolation of west Texas, although I would guess in that landscape a horned frog would feel right at home ... so fat chance, probably
Then again it's not like a rematch with OSU would be a cake walk either. And I'm not counting WVU as a possibility because if we don't beat them next weekend it's probably moot anyway
All either TCU or Okie State have to do is bring their A game, and OU would be in a peck of trouble, with their good but not great defense.
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I still maintain that I was right all along about Baker Mayfield, and that facts, data, and observable phenomena are all wrong.
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Conventional wisdom among fans close to the program is that Riley went dead-solid-conservative in the 2nd half against TCU to avoid giving away anything more than what he had already done.
C-Dubb! Good to see you. Riley went stone conservative all right, Baker threw only 6 passes in the second half. What was much weirder was to see Patterson basically throw in the towel in the 3rd quarter.
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C-Dubb! Good to see you. Riley went stone conservative all right, Baker threw only 6 passes in the second half. What was much weirder was to see Patterson basically throw in the towel in the 3rd quarter.
Yes, it's good to see CW here for sure.
38-14 was quite a halftime score, particularly against a team the caliber of TCU. Reminded me of that horrible USC mnc game over a decade ago, which was 38-10 bad guys ahead at half, except of course this time the good guys were ahead.
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C-Dubb! Good to see you. Riley went stone conservative all right, Baker threw only 6 passes in the second half. What was much weirder was to see Patterson basically throw in the towel in the 3rd quarter.
Thumper, you seem to have the advantage on me. Did I once know you by a different name on a different board long ago?
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I used to go by SoonerGaloot or CrimsonGaloot, couldn't remember so I used a new handle.
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CG! Good to see you here too.
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CG! Good to see you here too.
I second that. Good to see you, CG!
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I used to go by SoonerGaloot or CrimsonGaloot, couldn't remember so I used a new handle.
Oh, that's good to know. Thumper is my tech support.
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So I watched a video clip of KU's LB Joe Dineen "explaining" why the Jayhawk captains refused to shake hands with the OU captains and it was one of the stupiest explanations I ever heard.
I have kids in their late teens and early 20s. They say stupid things sometimes but at least they have the decency to say it with an inscrutable look on their face so you can project a little regret upon their delivery.
Dineen says it with this stupid grin on his face that undermines everything he's saying.
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Hola Thumper.
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Howdy, Charley.
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So I watched a video clip of KU's LB Joe Dineen "explaining" why the Jayhawk captains refused to shake hands with the OU captains
Well whatever, I'm thinking Baker just exchanged grabbing a Heisman for grabbing his crotch. Hope it felt good.
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Well whatever, I'm thinking Baker just exchanged grabbing a Heisman for grabbing his crotch. Hope it felt good.
Sorry to disappoint you, but your thinking is only wishful.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.sportingnews.com/amp/ncaa-football/news/baker-mayfield-crotch-grab-hand-shake-kansas-oklahoma-taunt-fans-heisman-trophy/141it7xwqibwc1fmnlvgi896jj (https://www.google.com/amp/www.sportingnews.com/amp/ncaa-football/news/baker-mayfield-crotch-grab-hand-shake-kansas-oklahoma-taunt-fans-heisman-trophy/141it7xwqibwc1fmnlvgi896jj)
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Sorry to disappoint you, but your thinking is only wishful.
Notwithstanding that homer article, I have to believe Baker's Heisman stock went way down. He already had a few scuffs on his citizenship card anyway, and to prance down the sideline yanking your junk and hurling obscenities is bound to influence a few voters.
I noticed Manziel was mentioned. Most of Manziel's character flaws didn't come out until after the Heisman.
And although we don't like to admit it, certain Texans are a perfect fit for OU. Baker was one of them.
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football gods dont like it when you yank your junk
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Evidently they'll make you blind in retribution for too much of that.
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Evidently they'll make you blind in retribution for too much of that.
yep
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Evidently they'll make you blind in retribution for too much of that.
You guys type too small. I can barely read any of that.
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And although we don't like to admit it, certain Texans are a perfect fit for OU. Baker was one of them.
Id love to put a beer on this, but you’re too much of a wispy spectre here for that to make sense.
And I know it bothers you to no end to think of your rival getting yet another Heisman, but he’s got the numbers.
Sam Bradford was our most recent Heisman and I don’t even think Texas fans would be low enough to try throw mud at him. He has great character and btw is an Oklahoman. We didn’t need to get one of those “certain Texans” in that case. And he had the numbers.
Jason White, our Heisman before that, also had great character, and kept playing long after his knees were shot which showed his grit, and he was also from Oklahoma. And he had the numbers.
True Baker is a bit of a jackass. Not really at the Mansiel level because he’s more about the team, but still he can be an ass at times. Will that affect his vote? Probably not. He’s led the team to a 10-1 récord so far and ... He’s got the numbers.
Cam Newton was already at least as controversial but ... he had the numbers.
And anyway typical Texas fan, you’re throwing stones at the character of other teams from your glass horn house. i know you want to pretend the following is not true, but here’s what your most recent Heisman is best known for:
http://www.thecannabist.co/2016/08/12/ricky-williams-seth-rogen-bill-simmons/60905/ (http://www.thecannabist.co/2016/08/12/ricky-williams-seth-rogen-bill-simmons/60905/)
Giving advice about how to eat sugar to come down from being too stoned. Ha. Useful stuff. Of course I personally like Ricky but he’s not exactly a great role model for America’s youth.
But, and in Ricky’s case this is a double entendre, lol, he had the numbers.
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And I know it bothers you to no end to think of your rival getting yet another Heisman, but he’s got the numbers.
Kliff never gave him the reigns at Tech because he was a punk. Call that Kliff's loss or whatever, but since Mahomes came shortly thereafter, Baker wasn't missed anyway.
Texas Tech is more of a personal school, whereas OU is a football team with some buildings, and a bunch of free ride dubious national merit scholars just so they can have something to brag about. Anyone at Tech will tell you Baker was a douche. Kids actually had classes with him. I doubt any OU students have ever even met him.
Baker has surprised me with his success at OU. I never expected him to win the starting job, much less play well. Ok, so he's the goods. But Fran Tarkenton's don't succeed any more at the next level, so this is the last we will likely be hearing of our short little crotch tugging friend.
We'll see about the Heisman. There's still some football to be played, stats to be compiled, and more opportunities to punk-out and yank one's undercarriage.
I don't see him getting it.
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Congrats on your self-proclaimed expertise on student life at various B12 universities.
The only thing that will knock Baker out at this point is if he has a bad game, either this week or in the ccg. And I mean bad as in TD vs I ratio, not how many times he’s seen mouthing the F word at his opponents.
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Oh and as for Tech, who cares what Kingsbury thinks? They were a competitive program before he took over. If Leach were still their coach he would have seen the talent in Baker and made him shine just like Stoops and Riley have done. But Kingsbury didn’t get it. His loss, our gain.
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As for Tarkentons no longer succeeding in the NFL, there’s Russell Wilson. He’s not even as tall as me and he got a ring just a couple years ago. Agree that the odds are long but I think he’ll get his shot, just like Wilson did.
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I'm disappointed by the crotch-grabbing incident (because all players SHOULD show some level of class when playing anyone), but I wouldn't hold it against Baker if I was a Heisman Voter, which I'm obviously not so this opinion doesn't mean much.
We've all done some unnecessary things when heated about something, only we're not all on camera to have the moment live on forever as in his case. Since he wasn't physically harming anyone in the gesture, I'm more likely to overlook it as just immature behavior. If it were to lead to more vicious behavior, say like the Marcus Vick leg-stomping, that would be much more cause for concern as far as character goes.
And I still love Ricky Williams, and would be the first in line to buy his brand of pot when it finally gets legalized. ;-)
We can't all be role models, and some of us are OK with that.
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CousinFred,
I'll consider that you grabbed your junk and gave me a few choice expletives.
At least that was the response I was going for...
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BC, well, unlike our boy Baker, I had the good sense not to tell you exactly what I was thinking, but good job reading between the lines - lol
Erin, please save a place for me in line :^)
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...True Baker is a bit of a jackass. Not really at the Mansiel level because he’s more about the team, but still he can be an ass at times....
Out of the blue, I just remembered a forgettable and long-forgotten movie.
I saw it on HBO or Cinemax back in the '80s when they'd show the same movie 72 times in one month and then you'd never see it again.
It had Kurt Russell as a former HS QB and somebody - I think it was Robin Williams - was his friend and former receiver who had dropped the ball on the big play of the big game against the big rival and 20 years later he's a loser because he never lived it down and he wants a do-over.
And they do it over.
Of course, now Kurt's a laid-back, easy-going, unflappable good guy who doesn't give a care about anything anymore and that's problem because he used to be a prick and he was only ever really good when he was a prick.
Or so that's how I remember it.
Course I saw it back in my purple haze South Austin days when I was shacked up with Shari two houses down from this really cool hippie chick who helped me get over a lost dog while her BF rolled a j.
I may have Escape From New York mixed up with Unnecessary Roughness and the Dead Poets Society.
Still I think the theme - real or imagined - is a thing.
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I am sorry we live in such a censorious society.
And yes, I realize the irony and hypocrisy of criticizing criticizers. Yet, now that I've taken the trouble climb onto this lofty old soap box, I shall continue for a minute.
We are imperfect people living in an unfair world full of other people just as flawed as we are and oftentimes we see, hear and face quite repulsive and/or heartbreaking circumstances. Yet many of us seem to take comfort in nitpicking the fleeting, inconsequential decisions made others. Decisions that are often no worse than things we've done in our own foolish youth. Things that only by the grace of God did not result in death, destruction, incarceration, embarrassment or ridicule.
I live in a glass house with no windows left at all so now I like to chunk my rocks at the glass houses of other rock throwers.
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Yet many of us seem to take comfort in nitpicking the fleeting, inconsequential decisions made others. Decisions that are often no worse than things we've done in our own foolish youth.
That's it, I can't take any more of this subtle, left-handed criticism of my criticism.
Have I ever hoisted my junk in someone's general direction in a juvenile fit of male bravado? Yes. But that's not the question.
Would I have done it if I were part of the cast in a televised event?
So despite my ability to sin, I still sit in judgement.
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Would I have done it if I were part of the cast in a televised event?
Sir, I believe we have photographic evidence of you doing just exactly that.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q4SnrYx8ad4/hqdefault.jpg)
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what kind of a Horn fan would one be if not unfairly criticizing Sooner players?
someone might just grab your nads and try to rip them out of your hapless scrotum
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Looks like Kansas just offered up some validation for Baker's delinquency - so that Heisman may be back in play after all.
Kansas - refusing to shake a known azzwipe's hand = lose captain status
Oklahoma - manhandling your crab patch while shouting obscenities on TV = lose captain status
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21505885/three-kansas-jayhawks-lose-captain-title-snubbing-oklahoma-baker-mayfield (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21505885/three-kansas-jayhawks-lose-captain-title-snubbing-oklahoma-baker-mayfield)
Way to take one for the conference Rock Chalk. Now let's see if Patterson's Frogs take a dive in the championship.
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I think it's cute that anyone here thinks the Heisman has anything to do with Baker's "numbers."
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it's derned delightful
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OU 45 WVU 10 H
Not a bad start ...
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Kliff never gave him the reigns at Tech because he was a punk. Call that Kliff's loss or whatever, but since Mahomes came shortly thereafter, Baker wasn't missed anyway.
Texas Tech is more of a personal school, whereas OU is a football team with some buildings, and a bunch of free ride dubious national merit scholars just so they can have something to brag about. Anyone at Tech will tell you Baker was a douche. Kids actually had classes with him. I doubt any OU students have ever even met him.
Baker has surprised me with his success at OU. I never expected him to win the starting job, much less play well. Ok, so he's the goods. But Fran Tarkenton's don't succeed any more at the next level, so this is the last we will likely be hearing of our short little crotch tugging friend.
We'll see about the Heisman. There's still some football to be played, stats to be compiled, and more opportunities to punk-out and yank one's undercarriage.
I don't see him getting it.
First of all, crotch-grabbing and F-bombing are unacceptable. It is true that the KU players were deliberately provocative, starting with the refusal to shake hands and continuing with late hits on Mayfield that should have resulted in at least one ejection, but that didn't mean that Mayfield had to respond the way he did. He was wrong, he had to be punished, and he was punished. As Fred said above, there is some jackassery in Baker Mayfield. But his teammates wouldn't be willing to run through a brick wall for him if that's all there was.
I don't post much here, but I scroll through to get a good laugh at how nearly every thread turns into a bunch of Longhorn navel-gazing, and I sort of enjoy observing your plucky fight against the Austin conventional wisdom from your lonely Brownwood outpost. But what you posted above is the biggest load of poo that I have read lately, other than the sports mediots opining that Alabama should still be in the playoff after losing to Auburn and finishing as a 1-loss non-division champ.
You may know Texas Tech. Possibly. But you don't know the University of Oklahoma. And the rest of your don't-know-what-you're-talking-about post starts from, but goes way beyond, that.
Please continue tilting at the Austin windmills. There is great entertainment value there.
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Ha - you go CW!
Yes BC is a Sooner hater who likes to lob predictable anti-OU fastballs over the middle of the plate. It’s like batting practice.
eg in his view only the Kansas coaches get credit for reprimanding theun sportsmanship of KU players, not Coach Riley who took similar steps, and I might add, with much more at stake. KU: highlighted; Riley: overlooked.
It’s the one sided view of a petty hater. The fact that OU’s most recent Heisman recipient was an Oklahoman who had greater character than their most recent Texan who gained a Heisman for UT: overlooked. The fact that Baker’s acting up at times and is playing for OU: highlighted. The fact that Baker is a great on the field leader and motivator for his teammates, and OU fans love him: overlooked. The fact that Baker didn’t do well at Texas Tech: highlighted.
And so forth. It’s so predictable. And it’s so full of shit. Brown county. Uh huh.
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you guys need to calm down and quit letting BC get to you
hell before long youll be grabbing your crutch and shouting
BTW watching todays game between OU and WV was a hoot
It looked like Mayfield behaved himself and I expect him to get the award
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BTW watching todays game between OU and WV was a hoot
It looked like Mayfield behaved himself and I expect him to get the award
Thanks and I agree 320. OU really rolled. And I love how well Murray plays too.
So time for the Sooners to do it again vs TCU and nail down the conference title. That would be such a major achievement for Coach Riley in his first year.
Very impressive how well he’s handled things. Gotta give Stoops and OU credit - they handled the HC transition very well.
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Yep, it has been a great season for Sooners so far and so much to play for still. Every game is writing new OU history and Baker has put on an amazing display every game. Next up, the CCG. I hope it continues to be kind to the Sooners and they will be the first 3 peat champions.
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very nice first season by Riley
corngrats
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While other programs search for a coach, OU savors the security of Lincoln Riley
By Bill Haisten Tulsa World
Nov 26, 2017 Updated 9 hrs ago
NORMAN — Christmas cards would be conventional, but sympathy cards might be more appropriate for fans of Tennessee, Nebraska, Arkansas and Florida.
While the athletic directors at those schools have started the incredibly high-pressure process of identifying a new head football coach, Joe Castiglione’s stress level Saturday was somewhere below none.
By extension, there was no stress for fans of the Oklahoma Sooners.
While high-profile coaching searches are prevalent, and while so many fans are stuck with miserable circumstances, this might be a good time to revisit a summer quote from Castiglione, Oklahoma’s athletic director: “One of the reasons Bob felt confident about his decision was that he felt he was leaving the program in good shape.”
Bob is Bob Stoops, who on June 7 retired from his 18-season hold on OU’s head-coaching position.
The first-year overseer of Sooners football is Lincoln Riley. With a 59-31 thumping of West Virginia in Baker Mayfield’s final run on the Owen Field grass, the 34-year-old Riley has become the first rookie coach in OU history to record 11 victories.
He’ll get a chance for No. 12 next week, when the Sooners are rematched with TCU in the Big 12 Championship game at Arlington, Texas. He should get a chance for a 13th, and maybe a 14th, during the College Football Playoff in January.
When the decision was made to promote Riley from offensive coordinator, no one at the university knew so many A-list jobs would be available this year.
If Stoops had chosen to coach for a few more seasons, Riley still would be a coordinator and probably an in-demand candidate for significant, lucrative jobs.
When Stoops stunned Castiglione and Sooners fans with his retirement decision in June, the timing was right for Stoops — and, as it turns out, right for OU.
You can rest assured Tennessee, Nebraska, Arkansas and Florida would have considered Riley a strong candidate. Maybe the best candidate.
Instead, Riley is locked in as a University of Oklahoma commodity, and the 11-1 Sooners have benefited from a tremendously smooth transition.
As Riley took questions from media members Saturday, Castiglione watched from the back of the room.
“We knew Lincoln Riley was special,” Castiglione said. “Even after his first year (in 2015, when Riley was OU’s new coordinator), a few programs pursued him. After his second year, a few more programs pursued him.
“It was just a matter of time,” Castiglione added, before Riley might be presented with an offer he couldn’t refuse, so the university was compelled to give Riley a big raise and convey to him he was valued at a high level.
There was no coach-in-waiting designation, but, months before Stoops’ retirement, Castiglione and other OU decision-makers were in agreement Riley would become the next Sooners head man.
It was expected to happen eventually.
Not on June 7.
While the returning Mayfield was defined as elite, no sane person would have expected Oklahoma’s 2017 offense to get bigger yardage totals than the 2016 Sooners. Not after having lost two NFL running backs (Samaje Perine and Joe Mixon) and an NFL wide receiver (Dede Westbrook).
It wasn’t that long ago a 600-yard performance was rare. The 2000 Sooners (quarterbacked by Heisman Trophy runner-up Josh Heupel), the 2003 and 2004 Sooners (quarterbacked by Heisman recipient Jason White), and the 2008 Sooners (quarterbacked by Heisman recipient Sam Bradford) played 54 games and recorded 49 victories.
In those 54 games, OU reached the 600-yard mark only six times.
This is what Oklahoma has gotten offensively from a first-year head coach and a transfer quarterback: In advance of the Big 12 Championship assignment, the 2017 Sooners have totaled least 600 yards in seven games.
On Dec. 9, Mayfield will get the 2017 Heisman because his partnership with Riley has resulted in the greatest total-offense season in program history.
The updated OU average: 593.5 yards per game — the best such figure ever at OU.
At No. 2, as was pointed out by OU football historian Mike Brooks on Twitter, is the 1971 wishbone team that averaged 556.8 total yards. It’s amazing the ’71 Sooners have aged so well statistically. They completed only 38 passes all season.
The next three: the 2016 Sooners (554.8-yard average), the 2008 Sooners (547.9) and the 2015 Sooners (530.2).
Riley was the offensive mastermind and play-caller, and Mayfield was his quarterback, for three of the five most productive offenses in OU football history.
“Take a minute,” Castiglione said, “and let that sink in.”
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And add in Murray waiting in the wings, and let that sink in even further.
Thanks for sharing that piece, Cdub
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Well whatever, I'm thinking Baker just exchanged grabbing a Heisman for grabbing his crotch. Hope it felt good.
lol
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We'll see about the Heisman. There's still some football to be played, stats to be compiled, and more opportunities to punk-out and yank one's undercarriage.
I don't see him getting it.
And yet ... he did. #3 highest pct of votes in Heisman history.
But you “not seeing” it ... hmmm ... does that suggest you really did go blind due to ... well ...you know
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thread killer
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And yet ... he did. #3 highest pct of votes in Heisman history.
But you “not seeing” it ... hmmm ... does that suggest you really did go blind due to ... well ...you know
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Weak.
You were wrong. That's all there is to say.
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You were wrong. That's all there is to say.
Sure. But what fun is it to say only that?
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Besides, the true indicator is - how many people watched the Heisman awards?
I didn't, nor do I know anybody that did.
So did Baker win? Sure if you say so. Did a tree fall in the forest?
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Besides, the true indicator is - how many people watched the Heisman awards?
I didn't, nor do I know anybody that did.
So did Baker win? Sure if you say so. Did a tree fall in the forest?
Whatever you say Kellyanne
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Hey I watched the Hiesman Award show
course BC doesnt know me so I guess that doesnt count
I was a little surprised to see the puppy kicker in the audience
it was good that he was there
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OU gonna OU
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/oklahoma-leading-rusher-rodney-anderson-accused-of-rape-in-protective-order/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/oklahoma-leading-rusher-rodney-anderson-accused-of-rape-in-protective-order/)
Next year's Heisman maybe?
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so she waited 1 month to report this
it looks suspicious to me
course we are supposed to automatically believe the woman so fry him
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She actually waited until he turned down 3 date invitations before she "remembered" something happening. No charges were filed.
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so has he been cleared to play in the bowls
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so has he been cleared to play in the bowls
I don't think that there has been an official announcement, but that's the general belief.
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Sooners can now boast more unanimous All-Americans than anyone else
By Eric Bailey Tulsa World Dec 13, 2017
Oklahoma is now the best of the best when it comes to producing unanimous All-Americans.
On Wednesday, OU’s tradition-rich football program made history when quarterback Baker Mayfield, tight end Mark Andrews and offensive tackle Orlando Brown were named first-team All-Americans by the American Football Coaches Association.
Oklahoma now has 35 players who have been named unanimous All-Americans, more than any other school. OU leapt Notre Dame, which now has 34 after offensive lineman Quenton Nelson captured the award.
The NCAA recognizes five lists for consideration as either a consensus or unanimous All-American: The Associated Press, Football Writers Association of America, the Walter Camp Football Foundation, the Sporting News and the AFCA.
It’s the first time in school history OU has three offensive players named unanimous first-team All-Americans in the same season.
It has been a special awards season for Oklahoma, highlighted by Mayfield’s Heisman Trophy win last weekend.
Numerous All-America lists recently have been released, and the only surprise has been when an OU player has been left off the sheet.
Oklahoma’s last unanimous All-American was wide receiver Dede Westbrook, who captured the honor last season. Before then, it hadn’t happened since 2004.
OU’s big year was 2003, when five players were unanimous All-Americans — Tommie Harris (defensive tackle), Teddy Lehman (linebacker), Antonio Perkins (return specialist), Derrick Strait (defensive back) and Jason White (quarterback). This season marks only the second time OU has produced more than two unanimous All-Americans.
OU has 24 first-team All-American selections since the 2000 national championship season.
It’s a big difference from the decade leading into the current century.
Between 1989-1999 (11 seasons), OU only had two first-team All-Americans — linebacker Joe Bowden (1991) and defensive end Cedric Jones (1995).
Oklahoma’s unanimous first-team All-Americans
1951: Jim Weatherall (tackle)
1956: Jerry Tubbs (center)
1967: Granville Liggins (nose tackle)
1969: Steve Owens (running back)
1971: Greg Pruitt (running back)
1972: Greg Pruitt (running back)
1973: Lucious Selmon (nose tackle)
1974: Rod Shoate (linebacker); Joe Washington (running back)
1975: Lee Roy Selmon (defensive tackle)
1976: Mike Vaughan (tackle)
1977: Zac Henderson (defensive back)
1978: Greg Roberts (guard); Billy Sims (running back)
1979: George Cumby (linebacker); Billy Sims (running back)
1983: Rick Bryan (defensive tackle)
1985: Brian Bosworth (linebacker)
1986: Brian Bosworth (linebacker); Keith Jackson (tight end)
1987: Mark Hutson (guard); Keith Jackson (tight end)
1988: Anthony Phillips (guard)
2001: Roy Williams (defensive back)
2003: Tommie Harris (defensive tackle); Teddy Lehman (linebacker); Antonio Perkins (return specialist); Derrick Strait (defensive back); Jason White (quarterback)
2004: Jammal Brown (tackle); Adrian Peterson (running back)
2016: Dede Westbrook (wide receiver)
2017: Mark Andrews (tight end); Orlando Brown (offensive tackle); Baker Mayfield (quarterback)
Schools with the most unanimous All-Americans
1. Oklahoma;35
2. Notre Dame;34
3. Ohio State;33
4. Alabama;32
5. USC;27
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UT comes in at 22
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Nice list C-dub. Warm up those memories of watching the Selmons and Rod Shoate and that awesome OU defense of the mid-70s
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so she waited 1 month to report this
it looks suspicious to me
course we are supposed to automatically believe the woman so fry him
I'm still a fan of innocent until proven guilty, but that said, it's not uncommon to wait before speaking out. Even years. If ever.
Being good friends with a rape victim, unless you know someone who's been through it, it might not make sense why that is. But it's hard to imagine the level emotional destruction, humiliation and a lot of other things that a woman goes through. Often they're not in a hurry to advertise to the world what's happened and draw attention to it. I think it would be best, logically and rationally, if these incidents were reported immediately, but I understand why so often they're not. Those decisions aren't made strictly logically, if at all. It's highly emotional.
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Nice list C-dub. Warm up those memories of watching the Selmons and Rod Shoate and that awesome OU defense of the mid-70s
Rod Shoate is I think underrated these days. But he was the most dominating linebacker I've ever seen play in person.
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I'm still a fan of innocent until proven guilty, but that said, it's not uncommon to wait before speaking out. Even years. If ever.
Being good friends with a rape victim, unless you know someone who's been through it, it might not make sense why that is. But it's hard to imagine the level emotional destruction, humiliation and a lot of other things that a woman goes through. Often they're not in a hurry to advertise to the world what's happened and draw attention to it. I think it would be best, logically and rationally, if these incidents were reported immediately, but I understand why so often they're not. Those decisions aren't made strictly logically, if at all. It's highly emotional.
never the less when a supposed victim waits for years to report the supposed violation it reduces the ability of the accused to defend themselves
it should also reduce the ability of the supposed victim to prove it happened but in todays world their word is good enough
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OU gonna OU
Hater. Type in "Texas Longhorn arrested 2017" into google and see what you get.
I don't condone any of it. If someone does something criminal, they should be arrested, and I don't care whether it's your star football player, my star football player, a local police officer or the president of these United States. Bust 'em all.
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Apparently both the text-message exchanges and the information provided by the young woman's close friends directly contradicted her accusations.
I'm a law and order guy. Actually, more accurately, a justice guy. If someone has violated the law or someone else's rights, he/she should be prosecuted and, if convicted, punished appropriately.
I think that many star athletes have gotten away with a lot of wrongdoing, as if what they have done is just youthful hijinks. You can see this reflected Dan Jenkins' novels.
In this case, I think that it's the young lady who is going to get away with wrongdoing.
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i agree with you CW
Unfortunately many times no actual charges are filed and no trial ever occurs
Its just someone popping up many years after the proposed attack occurred with
nothing supporting it but just the proposed victim's words
The innocent until proven guilty doctrine becomes guilty because she said so
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Personally I think it’s much more often the case that the victim doesn’t report it because of all the negative consequences that happen when they do including having to relive the crime over and over in explanations, having to stand up against false accusations of “slut shaming” etc vs. people getting unfairly accused. But of course either situation is terrible.
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The young lady is about to bet commissioned as a 2nd lieutenant in the Air Force, where she could have life-and-death authority over her subordinates.
I think she should be getting mental-health counseling instead.
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Hater. Type in "Texas Longhorn arrested 2017" into google and see what you get.
Fake news.
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Fake news.
More like Flake News.
UT, keeping the Big 12 weird.
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Rod Shoate is I think underrated these days. But he was the most dominating linebacker I've ever seen play in person.
Rod's death was so sad. He died a couple of blocks from where I was living in Spiro at the time. He was three years younger than me so I got to watch some of his high school games. 1969-71 were some great years for small town football in eastern OK. Rod Shoate in Spiro, the Selmons in Eufaula and Steve Davis in Sallisaw made it feel like it was normal to have this kind of talent.
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Rod's death was so sad. He died a couple of blocks from where I was living in Spiro at the time. He was three years younger than me so I got to watch some of his high school games. 1969-71 were some great years for small town football in eastern OK. Rod Shoate in Spiro, the Selmons in Eufaula and Steve Davis in Sallisaw made it feel like it was normal to have this kind of talent.
Yeah. It was easy to be spoiled back then.
Three of those guys you mentioned are gone now, Thumper. Only Lucius and Dewey Selmon are still with us.
I was in Norman yesterday, visiting a dying fraternity brother. We and a couple of other guys spent many late nights together playing Risk and eating Darlin's at Denco's. Bone cancer, all through his body. Now he's in hospice, with medication just to alleviate pain.
Too many people dying too young. It's a cliche, but when you know those people, it seems too true.
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https://www.huskermatwitter.com/barry-switzer-sooner-fans-should-be-more-like-husker-fans/ (https://www.huskermatwitter.com/barry-switzer-sooner-fans-should-be-more-like-husker-fans/)
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Barry knows a thing or two. OU fans have always appreciated Nebraska fans.
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most of us Huskers like ol Barry
likeable sort , even though he beat ya nearly every danged season
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Baker Mayfield can be the greatest Sooner of them all
By Guerin Emig
Tulsa World
Dec 30, 2017
Updated 9 hrs ago
LOS ANGELES — Many of you will go to your graves asserting Lee Roy Selmon is the best Oklahoma Sooner there ever was. Can’t blame you for that.
He was a gargantuan player during OU’s most romantic era, a defensive lineman capable of swallowing offenses by himself at a time the back-to-back national champion Sooners seemed to grow bigger than their game.
Selmon also happened to be a graceful man from a beautiful family of proud, humble Oklahoma roots. That helps preserve his aura 40 years later. It helps secure his legacy.
Baker Mayfield is not graceful. He is from Austin, Texas, of all places. His back story isn’t as endearingly simple as Selmon’s was. He plays at a time the Sooners are very, very good, but an 80-yard drive from the program’s mid-70s gold standard.
Remove circumstances and bias, though, and something astonishing crystallizes: Mayfield is two wins from supplanting Selmon as the greatest Sooner of them all.
He must beat Georgia in Monday’s Rose Bowl, then Clemson or Alabama in the national championship Jan. 8. Otherwise the mere suggestion is pointless.
A reporter at OU’s Rose Bowl media day appearance Saturday raised the best-ever possibility, to which Mayfield said: “It’s pretty crazy. The thing for me is, and we talk about it all the time, hanging a banner in our indoor facility. And the big one would be a national title banner. I’m not worried about the statue (the Heisman Trophy). I came back to win the big banner.”
Mayfield knows a quarterback’s legacy is hitched to wins. Without the ultimate victory, a national title, Mayfield’s place in OU history is regal, but not worthy of Selmon’s. He is like Sam Bradford, Jason White and Billy Sims, with their Heismans and multiple conference rings and make-believe career statistics, but lacking a grand prize.
Actually, Mayfield has risen above Bradford, White and Sims. He is beyond Steve Owens, Adrian Peterson, Brian Bosworth and Bud Wilkinson-era pillars Billy Vessels and Jerry Tubbs. Monday’s Rose Bowl isn’t going to change the fact that at worst, Mayfield is the second-best Sooner to play on Owen Field.
As prolific as those aforementioned legends were, none meant more to his team, or to any one OU season, than Mayfield has meant to the Sooners in 2017.
He decided some games with moments of inspiration, like when his 59-yard strike to Mark Andrews carried the exhausted Sooners across the finish line against Texas, or his 48-yarder to Jeff Badet buried troublesome Baylor. He decided others with extended brilliance, as at Ohio State and Oklahoma State.
Mayfield had the best first half a Sooner played all year in OU’s initial win over TCU. He had the best second half to rally his team at Kansas State.
This was his encore to 2015 and ’16 seasons in which he went 22-4 as OU’s starting quarterback, captured a Sugar Bowl and back-to-back Big 12 championships, won national awards and set national records.
This was one season after OU offensive detenators Samaje Perine, Joe Mixon and Dede Westbrook moved on to the NFL. This was one season after Bob Stoops, with more wins than any coach in OU history, turned the program over to Lincoln Riley, the offensive coordinator who had never been a head coach.
The Sooners still had Mayfield. It was all going to fall on him.
He had to distribute the ball to unproven teammates and instill confidence in unseasoned ones. He had to influence practice during the week and games on Saturdays. No player affected the locker room so obviously. No player spoke on behalf of the team so authoritatively.
Mayfield didn’t get it right every time. OU lost a game to Iowa State. He lost respect at Kansas.
Selmon once lost to Kansas, but you never worried about respect. He commanded it with a blend of physical strength and personal esteem.
He also never had the ball in his hands for half a game. He had his brother, Dewey, lined up next to him. He had Rod Shoate and Jimbo Elrod flanking him. He had Joe Washington, Steve Davis and Tinker Owens playing offense for him.
That array of teammates drew attention from Selmon. A sassy young coach drew even more. Selmon had Barry Switzer.
Lincoln Riley might be Switzer one day. He might stockpile blue-chippers and turn his program into a talent mill. He’s not there yet, however. He wasn’t there this season.
He did have Mayfield, though. The day Riley stripped Mayfield’s captaincy over the Kansas antics, he cried over him.
It was a sign of a unique player-coach relationship, and a metaphor for the weight Mayfield carried across this season. Fans will be the ones shedding tears as soon as the season ends and Mayfield isn’t winning games for them any longer.
If that doesn’t happen until late the night of Jan. 8, and Mayfield has just won again to give his program its latest national championship, at least it will be a worthy cry. For it will come after they just cheered for the best player in Oklahoma Sooners history one last time.
For BC, who thinks Mayfield is trash rejected by all the Texas schools, I quote Psalm 118:22. "The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner."
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Amen
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Loved the Psalm, CW - I'm sure BC will too - lol.
I'll admit that I can't quite get my head around the idea that Baker even has the possibility of being better than or even on par with Lee Roy Selmon, in all-time Sooner sense.
I suppose though that if he does carry the Sooners to victory Monday, and then if that happens he goes on and carries them to the national title a week later that I'd have to adjust my thinking. Right now he's still just one of many great Sooners for me, maybe in the top 20 or even top 10 alltime in OU history. If OU doesn't win tomorrow, that's where he'll stay, even with the Heisman.
I guess I'm really tired of the "almost NC" Sooners. The near great era of Stoops. Almost. Almost. Almost. One NC granted, but that was at the very beginning and then it was followed by 16 years of almost. No doubt Stoops was a great coach - only three seasons in which OU lost as many as 5 games, and usually they were a 2-3 loss team. Can't argue with that kind of consistent success, and also the high ethical standard Bob brought to OU that Barry never had. But never the big trophy at the end.
Enough of almost. We need to go all the way again.
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For BC, who thinks Mayfield is trash rejected by all the Texas schools, I quote Psalm 118:22. "The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner."
So I guess we've put to rest this Mayfield hoopla. Not even close to the best Sooner of all time. A gritty and fiery competitor who overcame a lot of odds by proving himself - that is undeniable.
He grew up in Austin and became anti-Longhorn. He was one of "those" kind.
I'm glad he served you well. I think you can check him out in the Senior Bowl. Shoot, in a few short years, just catch him at his car lot or insurance agency in Norman.
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Weird post BC. Baker didn't play defense, which is where OU lost this game.
In yesterday's game, one could rightly throw stones at the Sooner defense, the Sooner kicking game, or the Sooner play calling in OT, but not at Baker Mayfield. He played very well, and as always was highly durable even after taking a really tough hit with a knee to the rib cage about halfway through the game, and the only evidence of the flu was in some of his passes which weren't quite as spot on as normal, but still they were pretty good overall as he completed 23 of 35. He ended up with two TD passes, some great running plays, and even a TD reception on one of the most impressive plays I've seen in a long time.
Overall Baker did fine. While the fact that he couldn't get the team to a NC does mean he won't be considered one of the greatest Sooner players ever, still yet he ends his tenure at OU with two conference championships, a Heisman, a great Sugar bowl win, and a handful of school records, and so he lands up there pretty high on the list. I'd say roughly about where Colt McCoy is on the Texas list.
Anyway, OU has some work to do to replace Baker now, and to do something about the defense which had some serious lapses yesterday. Nevertheless, they played very respectably well against a talented Georgia team with a very good coaching staff.
I'm overall proud of OU for a great 12-2 season, and likely another top 5 finish, and look forward to 2018.
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Weird post BC. Baker didn't play defense, which is where OU lost this game.
Baker played well yesterday. Nowhere did I fault him. I fault special teams and then some defense.
Just saying Baker had a good run, and his football story is written.
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Great game, the best one of the bowl season for me.
Congrats to the Sooner fans on a successful season, Heisman trophy, and Rose Bowl/Playoff appearance. Those are things that fans of every team would be happy about, even with taking a loss at the end.
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Condolences, Sooners. That was a helluva ballgame.
Remember being down 21-7 in Manhattan earlier this season? Big leads aren't very safe when you guys are involved, in either direction.
Kirby Smart lip reading went like "BoomMother(firetruck)ers" if I have any skill at the craft. My daughter argued there was not a separate M motion, but say it to yourself and you'll agree with me.
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Condolences, Sooners. That was a helluva ballgame.
I'm not sure if condolences are necessary.
The Sooners around here sound like they should be in a DirecTV commercial or something.
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Hmmm, I could be a DirecTV star?? Wow, sounds good, maybe, except actually I have no idea what that means
But then again, BC is gonna BC, lol
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Condolences, Sooners. That was a helluva ballgame.
Remember being down 21-7 in Manhattan earlier this season? Big leads aren't very safe when you guys are involved, in either direction.
Yes, it was a crazy year for sure - lots of white knuckle adventures.
Anyway, thanks amigo, and best of luck on all your various KSU sports fronts (KSU vs OU should be good in hoops, coming up later this month) as well as daddio fronts (three daughters, do I have it right? - wow, makes me think of that 38 Special song, Hold On Loosely, in a parental rather than a couple sense I mean ... actually that song is a pretty good description of life in general)
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I even heard from old purple cat fan, SkiCat
he's just too derned busy to login here, but he seems to be in good spirits
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Weird post BC. Baker didn't play defense, which is where OU lost this game.
In yesterday's game, one could rightly throw stones at the Sooner defense, the Sooner kicking game, or the Sooner play calling in OT, but not at Baker Mayfield. He played very well, and as always was highly durable even after taking a really tough hit with a knee to the rib cage about halfway through the game, and the only evidence of the flu was in some of his passes which weren't quite as spot on as normal, but still they were pretty good overall as he completed 23 of 35. He ended up with two TD passes, some great running plays, and even a TD reception on one of the most impressive plays I've seen in a long time.
Overall Baker did fine. While the fact that he couldn't get the team to a NC does mean he won't be considered one of the greatest Sooner players ever, still yet he ends his tenure at OU with two conference championships, a Heisman, a great Sugar bowl win, and a handful of school records, and so he lands up there pretty high on the list. I'd say roughly about where Colt McCoy is on the Texas list.
Anyway, OU has some work to do to replace Baker now, and to do something about the defense which had some serious lapses yesterday. Nevertheless, they played very respectably well against a talented Georgia team with a very good coaching staff.
I'm overall proud of OU for a great 12-2 season, and likely another top 5 finish, and look forward to 2018.
Three conference championships, Fred.
Not much consolation after seeing a Rose Bowl victory slip away, but still true.
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True, good catch, and yes, not much consolation. #%$&#¥!!!
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Yeah, Hold On Loosely....illustrated the other day....be careful snooping through your children's phones, you might be better off not knowing some things. :96:
Speaking of hoops....Seems old Lonnie can still coach and still recruit. I sure wish that cheerleader had kept an aspirin between her knees back in the day.
Good to see you guys, have a good one.
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So OU finishes with a third straight B12 championship, wins over rivals Texas and OSU, a win at the Horseshoe, two wins in one season over TCU, a Heisman among a lot of individual awards on both sides of the line, and at #3 in the country. Not bad for a rookie head coach.
It’s ridiculous to expect any more than that. But the way the semi with UGa went down, I’m still left wondering what could have been. This is what’s wrong with the playoffs, I suppose. Only one team can end on a win.
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I really wanted OU to get the natty because I thought this team might be the only one capable of it for the foreseeable future. They were definitely right there with anyone in the country. That is not to say I expected it to happen.
I enjoyed this season tremendously. It was one of the greats.
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So OU finishes with a third straight B12 championship, wins over rivals Texas and OSU, a win at the Horseshoe, two wins in one season over TCU, a Heisman among a lot of individual awards on both sides of the line, and at #3 in the country. Not bad for a rookie head coach.
Given that it had anything to do with the rookie head coach.
For perspective, Johnny Manziel won the Heisman, and A&M beat Nick Saban in a 1-loss season. As a result, Kevin Sumlin was immediately given a raise and Kliff Kingsbury (OC) was hired as Head Coach of Texas Tech.
Kevin was fired and Kliff's last year will be this year. Turns out they can't coach.
Lincoln Riley took over for Bob Stoops, who is part of the Nick Saban, Urban Meyer fraternity. Big shoes to fill over time, but easy shoes to fill while it's still Bob's team.
College football is not so sophisticated that the QB doesn't mean anything. Where's Gene Chizik now? (Cam Newton) Where's Charlie Strong now? (Teddy Bridgewater)
Was it Baker or was it Lincoln? The future will tell.
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hoping for an entertaining hoops game tonight in Norman
that young kid is the real deal
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nice win
I don't hate the Jayhawks, just tired of seeing them win the conference
similar to the Pats winning the SB
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RE Big 12 Basketball
December 29th through January 2nd was truly remarkable but we didn't know it at the time because we didn't have the bigger context.
During that five day window Big 12 road teams beat Big 12 home teams in eight of nine games.
Since then... eh... not so much. Just three times in 31 games.
Crazy.
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Man, every once in a while I think about that semi game with Georgia, and the fact that we had a half time lead, and should have made it to the final at least and possibly even win it all.
Dadgummit.