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Title: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on October 08, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Northwestern didn't do the Nitts a favor on Saturday.  Coach Dantonio will be sure to point out to his team that they're still in the hunt for the Big Ten championship.  But likely not if they lose this game.  Penn State is favored by 13.5 so I'm sure Sparty is feeling disrespected and will want to make a statement.
Title: Re: #8 Penn State (1-1, 5-1) at Michigan State (1-1, 3-2)
Post by: Mdot21 on October 08, 2018, 12:02:05 PM
calling it now. Penn State blows Sparty out, then Sparty saves their season the next week by clobbering Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan State (1-1, 3-2) at #8 Penn State (1-1, 5-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 11, 2018, 04:10:37 PM
Tension is palpable
Title: Re: Michigan State (1-1, 3-2) at #8 Penn State (1-1, 5-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 12, 2018, 11:58:58 AM

Michigan State Spartans (1-1, 3-2) at #8 Penn State Nittany Lions (1-1, 4-1)
3:30 - State College, PA - BTN
Well, this game certainly isn't what I thought it would be in the preseason.  I had this as the game to determine the East division, with both teams finishing with 1 conference loss (plus a non-conference loss for Michigan State), and Penn State's home win here being the tiebreaker to send them to Indianapolis.  While each is only 1 loss off the pace from where I had them, it feels like more than that.  Penn State melted down against Ohio State again, and needed a miracle to get past Appalachian State.  Michigan State seems a whole lot farther from where they were expected to be, and at this point just getting bowl eligible doesn't seem like a certainty.  The Spartans boast the #1 run defense in the nation, but aside from that question marks abound.  The offense has been ravaged by injuries, playing at times last week down 3 starting offensive linemen, their starting running back and fullback, and three of their top four receivers.  Brian Lewerke doesn't look at all like the guy we saw last year, who pulled the program back up by its bootstraps from 3-9 to 10-3.  Is it a product of all of the injuries around him, or something more?  Even when the Spartans were healthier earlier in the season, he didn't seem to possess the same confidence we saw last year.  He seems tentative in the pocket, like a guy who wants to run, but has had it coached out of him, but isn't really looking downfield either.  While Lewerke has been a major disappointment after earning some preseason All-Big Ten honors, Trace McSorley has not.  His passing hasn't been quite where it was expected to be, but his receivers haven't exactly stepped up.  His skills as a runner have taken off though, and made him much tougher to defend.  I was actually just watching a replay of last year's game and there were a number of times where Michigan State got the Nittany Lions off the field on 3rd or 4th down by dropping 8 and forcing McSorley to make tight throws he couldn't make, but leaving big running lanes if all he needed was 4 or 5 yards, but he didn't take them.  McSorley ran an average of 11.1 times per game last year for 3.4 yards per carry.  This year he is running 13.2 times per game, but for 6.2 ypc, but in their two Big Ten games he is running 20.0 times per game for 6.7 ypc.  In conference games, he's 2nd in the Big Ten in rushing, right ahead of teammate Miles Sanders in third.  I don't think James Franklin particularly wants him to have the 25 carries he had against Ohio State each week, but the Buckeyes were taking everything else away.  One consistent under Dantonio has been the ability to take away the quarterback's ability to run.  Manny Wilkins, averaging 4.1 ypc, was held to 3.1 ypc by Michigan State; Peyton Ramsey, averaging 3.9, was held to 0.7; and Tommy Lazzaro, averaging 4.6, was held to 2.9.  McSorley may prove me wrong, but I think Michigan State is going to force him to beat them from the pocket.  The pass rush, which was a problem early in the season, has gotten much better the past few weeks.  But as continues to plague Dantonio's defenses, they get beat consistently on short routes.  I'm reminded of the 2014 Michigan State-Ohio State game, where the Spartans sold out to force J.T. Barrett to beat them from the pocket.  One broken play 55 yard one sort of jaded the stats, but overall Michigan State was successful in their goal.  The problem was with single coverage across the board, Barrett had probably the greatest passing night of his four year career, throwing for 300 yards and 3 touchdowns, and a 99.2 QBR, nearly perfect.  I think Michigan State can be equally successful this week, and I think McSorley will do the same thing to them that Barrett did four years ago.  The one chance Michigan State has is if McSorley is missing the guys or getting too greedy.  Clayton Thorson was both accurate and willing to patient on drives last week.  McSorley is only completing 54.9% of his passes in Big Ten play, fourth worst among starters, and he's always had that gunslinger mentality, so it's not going out on a limb to say those things could happen.  But I don't expect them to.  Penn State has the guys in Sanders, Hamler, and even Ricky Slade if they choose to use him that way, where they can get the ball out quick, like Northwestern and Utah State did, except those guys can make a lot more happen after the play than anyone on the Aggies or Wildcats roster.
PENN STATE 37, MICHIGAN STATE 21
Title: Re: Michigan State (1-1, 3-2) at #8 Penn State (1-1, 5-1) Game Week
Post by: Mdot21 on October 12, 2018, 06:06:34 PM
hoping for an MSU upset of Penn State. Think that bodes much better for Michigan. I'd rather face a State that isn't backed into a corner.
Title: Re: Michigan State (1-1, 3-2) at #8 Penn State (1-1, 5-1) Game Week
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 12, 2018, 07:38:43 PM
hoping for an MSU upset of Penn State. Think that bodes much better for Michigan. I'd rather face a State that isn't backed into a corner.
I'm also wary of a blowout. I just want it to be close. I think that will help Michigan next week. Will reduce any discrepancy in weekday prep seriousness (though, really, there should NOT be any; I'm just going off on stereotypes here) and ensure that both teams ran at full bore through sixty minute physical challenges the week before.
Not getting ahead of myself (though since I'm a fan, not a coach or player, who cares?), but for personal reasons, I would like botth M and PSU to win out before the M-PSU game. The wife and I are renting an RV and 25+ of us are getting together for that one (Fingerle Lumber). Should be riotous no matter what. But if the game is for two Top 8ish teams, it'll reach the levels of functionally insane and high hedonism. I want that.
Title: Re: Michigan State (1-1, 3-2) at #8 Penn State (1-1, 5-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2018, 03:04:36 PM
L.J,. Scott didn't travel with the team.  WRs Darrell Stewart and Jalen Nailor both out (meaning 3 of the top 4 WRs are out), and Kevin Jarvis is out, meaning both starting OGs are out.

SHould be fun, no word on if the fullback is back.
Title: Re: Michigan State (1-1, 3-2) at #8 Penn State (1-1, 5-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2018, 03:09:58 PM
L.J,. Scott didn't travel with the team.  WRs Darrell Stewart and Jalen Nailor both out (meaning 3 of the top 4 WRs are out), and Kevin Jarvis is out, meaning both starting OGs are out.

SHould be fun, no word on if the fullback is back.
We were wondering what we were going to do with all of our WR depth, then Jackson transferred (which made sense), Rison transferred (which didn't), Chambers surprisingly stayed, and now 3 of our top 4 are hurt.
So of the 7 we thought we had to rely on this year, we have 2, probably the best and worst of that group.
Title: Re: Michigan State (1-1, 3-2) at #8 Penn State (1-1, 5-1) Game Week
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2018, 03:15:09 PM
We were wondering what we were going to do with all of our WR depth, then Jackson transferred (which made sense), Rison transferred (which didn't), Chambers surprisingly stayed, and now 3 of our top 4 are hurt.
So of the 7 we thought we had to rely on this year, we have 2, probably the best and worst of that group.
Taken from my countdown...
You look at the top of the S&P+ returning production rankings, and you see a lot of teams that pulled the plug on 2017, and were already playing for 2018 last year.  Then there is 10-3 Michigan State at #1 nationally.  Mississippi State (#8) is the only other team to finish last season ranked to be in the top 19 of returning production.  So Michigan State’s starting 22 is filled with experience, filled with contributors.  19 of 22 starters return.  So why am I cautious about even putting them this high?  Because while 2016 had other issues, the Spartans were absolutely crippled with injuries as well.  In 2017, they stayed insanely healthy, and that covered up the fact that for a team ranked this high, Michigan State still has a concerning lack of depth.  The last two offseasons have hit the program hard between transfers and dismissals.  That led to playing a lot of true freshmen the last two years, and the Spartans haven’t been able to redshirt guys, or develop much of a bench.  While Dantonio’s tenure has been marked by developing under recruited players, that doesn’t mean they all hit, and the ones that don’t find Michigan State having a two deep with MAC caliber players one injury away from seeing the field. 
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2018, 07:26:38 PM
That has to be the most stunning win of the Dantonio tenure
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2018, 07:30:44 PM
The blocked punt 3 yrs back
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 13, 2018, 07:32:33 PM
That has to be the most stunning win of the Dantonio tenure
Not sure I agree. 
Starting to think Penn State was really overrated and for all the shit Harbaugh gets, Franklin is the fraud.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 13, 2018, 07:35:53 PM
The blocked punt 3 yrs back
Yeah. This. 
Though I remember the counterargument about total yards ( ... and how Michigan's massive STs advantage until the final play shouldn't add in to whether Michigan had played the better game to that point ).
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Mdot21 on October 13, 2018, 07:36:52 PM
The blocked punt 3 yrs back
Please don’t remind me. 
That was the biggest fluke ending I’ve ever seen.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on October 13, 2018, 07:39:55 PM
Never forget that I remember me and Sam and maybe Bama Buckeye - It happened so fast I thought it was like a flashback highlight - incredible.IMO only rivaled by the kick 6
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2018, 07:48:57 PM
The blocked punt 3 yrs back
That was a stunning singular play, but MSU winning that game was only a slight surprise.  This was one I didn't think MSU had a prayer of winning when healthy, and with basically Lewerke and the second team offense, I thought they'd lose by three scores 
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2018, 08:47:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BTNStatsGuys/status/1051252048853913600?s=19
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 13, 2018, 08:51:40 PM
10-5 overall in their last 15 games against top 10 teams.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: JerseyTerrapin on October 13, 2018, 10:07:59 PM
What a job by cool D'Antonio, who knew exactly what he was doing.  My wife and I were watching in a restaurant and we were both like "They're punting with two minutes left?"  

Nice win, coach.  Two good teams on that field tonight...
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 13, 2018, 10:54:56 PM
Lovin' it. Tressel ball lives on.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 13, 2018, 11:35:29 PM
That was a stunning singular play, but MSU winning that game was only a slight surprise.  This was one I didn't think MSU had a prayer of winning when healthy, and with basically Lewerke and the second team offense, I thought they'd lose by three scores
For that reason, I thought this win was surprising in the way the OSU torrential rain win in 2015 (?) was with Cook et al. injured.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on October 14, 2018, 09:08:43 AM
Felton Davis had himself a game.I know it's hind sight but with injuries/absences to MSU's WR's/RB's why wasn't Davis doubled up?.PSU has gotten stung at home the last two games.According to BTN the Lions last 5 losses have come by 12pts  in games they were leading at the half
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 14, 2018, 11:49:59 AM
I may be misinterpreting, but it sounds like Lewerke and Felton Davis opted out of their final play call on their own.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: MrNubbz on October 14, 2018, 12:24:05 PM
So they drew it up in the dirt or saw something they liked/didn't like?
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 14, 2018, 01:08:03 PM
So they drew it up in the dirt or saw something they liked/didn't like?
I don't know enough. But in his post-game interview, Davis said something like "I don't know what play they gave you, but throw it to me; I'm going deep." (Not a real quote, just the closest I can do from memory)
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 14, 2018, 01:36:16 PM
Felton Davis had himself a game.I know it's hind sight but with injuries/absences to MSU's WR's/RB's why wasn't Davis doubled up?.PSU has gotten stung at home the last two games.According to BTN the Lions last 5 losses have come by 12pts  in games they were leading at the half
I said that throughout the SOC.  For large chunks of the game he was the only scholarship WR available, and yet he was single covered WAY too often.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Temp430 on October 15, 2018, 04:57:03 AM
I observed a lot of interest in this game by Michigan fans including myself but not too much surprise at the outcome.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 15, 2018, 05:09:10 PM
This isn't helping McSorley, but the offense in general looks WAY different with Moorhead gone.  Much more vanilla

(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/217/741/8741217.jpg)
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: ELA on October 19, 2018, 08:16:35 AM
IN doing the PSU write up for this week, it seemed like Sanders was abandoned by the OC in that game last week.

So I looked it up, his overall numbers last week, 17 carries, 162 yards, 9.5 ypc, look quite good. But he had 2 carries for 126 yards, and things look a little different, that's 15 carries for 36 yards otherwise.  Over the final 35 game minutes, after his touchdown run to give Penn State a 14-7 lead, he had 10 carries for 17 yards for the balance of the game.  That's how to not hold a lead.
Title: Re: Michigan State (2-1, 4-2) at #8 Penn State (1-2, 5-2) Post Game
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 19, 2018, 12:32:35 PM
This isn't helping McSorley, but the offense in general looks WAY different with Moorhead gone.  Much more vanilla

(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/217/741/8741217.jpg)
And next year McSorley is gone, so it'll be worse. Franklin could be in trouble. I've always thought the mid season 2016 version that was legitimately on the hot seat was the real Franklin but he hit perfectly on an OC when that was the only thing that could save him and maybe he didn't manage to do it again.