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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: Temp430 on September 08, 2026, 10:33:55 AM
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If the opener means anything, it's going to be an ugly, ugly Maize out in Ann Arbor this Saturday night. It's do or die time for Underwood.
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GO BLUE!!!
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Third party smack talk.
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Nah, just standard rivalry hate. If I were talking up some other team beating the dirt burglars, that would be third party smack talk.
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Perhaps the greatest helmet matchup of cheaters in college football history
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Bryce Underwood? More like Bryce Under-throw. This will be one of the most embarrassing home losses in Michigan history. Oklahoma is going to dog-walk them. Oklahoma will have maybe the best defense they'll see all year- I don't see how Michigan even gets a first down.
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I’d bench Underwood after two sequential possessions without points or upon any turnover on his part. Hope Carr is getting a lot of live snaps in practice this week.
Joel Klatt’s remarks on Underwood were brutal.
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I’d bench Underwood after two sequential possessions without points or upon any turnover on his part. Hope Carr is getting a lot of live snaps in practice this week.
Joel Klatt’s remarks on Underwood were brutal.
yeah, disagree with that completely.
Carr is an 18 year old true freshman that is even more green than Underwood. He's not going to be the savior vs an Oklahoma defense that should be among the very best defenses in the country in his first ever action vs live bullets.
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Don’t consider Carr the savior, but would give him the opportunity. He might be better than Underwood.
Jake Butt made an interesting comment that what we’re seeing with Underwood is the difference between State St. and Main St.
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Don’t consider Carr the savior, but would give him the opportunity. He might be better than Underwood.
Jake Butt made an interesting comment that what we’re seeing with Underwood is the difference between State St. and Main St.
don't think it is even that. Underwood has regressed as a QB. he is worse now than when he first stepped foot on campus last year. he lost an entire year of development last year and developed some very bad habits that he can't seem to shake. game has not slowed down for him and his footwork and mechanics are still all over the fucking place.
he should have transferred somewhere else sat a year behind a vet and developed like Dante Moore did when he left UCLA and went to Oregon.
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Perhaps the greatest helmet matchup of cheaters in college football history
I agree 100% if we're excluding the SEC SEC SEC
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https://twitter.com/CSayf23/status/2097739707182469249
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I agree 100% if we're excluding the SEC SEC SEC
Eh, Michigan and Oklahoma have gone above and beyond. In an era when you could pay players, Oklahoma did so more blatantly. In an era where we thought cheating was done, Michigan found a way. And not to mention literally every champion coach in football, basketball, baseball has either been fired for cheating, or got out ahead of the posse, except oddly Lloyd Carr, who remains so underappreciated
Michigan and Oklahoma in a cheating contest
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Lloyd Carr is Michigan's best coach in the modern era, and nobody could ever convince me otherwise.
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I read somewhere that OU has a very solid defense, and UM hardly scored after their first drive on WMU, so, maybe it turns out to be 51-48 or something.
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Lloyd Carr is Michigan's best coach in the modern era, and nobody could ever convince me otherwise.
nah. it's Jeem. Lloyd definitely an underrated coach.
Jeem is one of the best football coaches period of the last 25 years.
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more I think about it, more I think Whittingham might just be a bad fit. What QB has he developed.....ever. Oh yeah, none. Guy was the head coach at Utah for 21 years and never once had a QB drafted. Can't really say "oh but it's Utah" - Urbz was the head coach there for 2 years and turned Alex Smith into a #1 overall NFL draft pick.
Whittingham might just be past his prime and half-checked out- it happens- dude is 67- just a hop jump and a skip from 70- and has been coaching college ball for over 40 years. I'll still take him over the skirt chaser anyday of the week don't get me wrong- but maybe he wasn't the home run hire he was made out to be....
Underwood has to play better but I didn't like Whittingham calling him out like that at a press conference. #1 guy he should've called out was his supposed "best OL coach in the country" he brought with him from Utah. Cause that same OL group never looked that f'ing bad last year with the skirt chaser as head coach- and damn sure not vs a MAC team.
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Whittingham grabbing some retirement cash on his way out
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per Urbz....yeah...we coooked....
"There Are so many issues than just Bryce Underwood," Meyer said. "Their offensive line was not good… I talked to Kyle quite a bit. Obviously, I'm very close with him. He loves the backup quarterback, but he loves Bryce Underwood. Bryce Underwood is not a resistance, he's just got to get better. I expect him to get better and better."
"However, if this thing does not go well in the first half, you might see the freshman quarterback Carr come in there."
Tommy Carr was a run of the mil 3* HS prospect and is a 195 pound and physically under-developed true freshman....but he's the savior. Lmfao. We are so f'ing cooked.
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Tommy Boy just might be able to throw a forward pass though. And with BU they have to run 1st if he's going to work out otherwise defenses will play man and jam the running lanes
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Whittingham grabbing some retirement cash on his way out
definitely a little bit of that might be going on imo.
Dillingham was #1 on my wishlist. we would've actually seen Michigan have a 21st century passing offense for the first time in history. oh well. sucks to suck.
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Tommy Boy just might be able to throw a forward pass though. And with BU they have to run 1st if he's going to work out otherwise defenses will play man and jam the running lanes
Bryce absolutely can slang the football. Kid has a nuclear arm. Insane arm talent. His biggest problems obviously are the footwork/mechanics....he gets ridiculously sloppy with it and panics whenever he gets even a hint of pressure. And then of course the processing....he locks on to his first guy and doesn't go through the progressions calmly and find the open man. He pre-determines where he's going with the ball and just goes there even when it's covered.
He looks like he has actually gotten WORSE and regressed in these areas so far through one game vs a powder puff MAC team of the Whittingham Era. That is concerning. Not just about Bryce but about these new coaches.
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Jamarcus Russel could sling the ball to - BU can't seem to consistently lead a receiver or split a seem. His accuracy has digressed vs a Bronco squad that was 3-5 in MAC play last season. Yogi Berra use to say you can't think and hit at the same time there is a great deal of truth to that. The same could be said about reading a defense when there's pressure on. That is why he needs to take off and run more to maybe keep a D on it's heels. Quite frankly it appears he needs a more muted, business-like approach than talking smack IMHO
And yes about the "NEW" coaches,they need to at least keep it close this afternoon - which of course I hope they don't ;D
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nah. it's Jeem. Lloyd definitely an underrated coach.
Jeem is one of the best football coaches period of the last 25 years.
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you can write any amount of asterisk you want on this message board that about 50 people in the entire world read, doesn't change anything. Jeem is a hell of a football coach. one of the very best of his era. and he's done it successfully on every level of ball from small college, to major college, and NFL. only a fool would try to argue against his abilities as a football coach.
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Lloyd was better and he had zero controversy. A very classy man. That means something to me.
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Jeem is a hella weird
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Jeem is a hella weird fixer
FIFY
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Lloyd was better and he had zero controversy. A very classy man. That means something to me.
I mean you can say that all you want it does not make it true. I prefer Lloyd Carr as a personality and his approach over Jeem. All day long. Jeem is in outer space. He’s still a better football coach. Very few have at the kind of success he’s had at every level of football.
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That is why he needs to take off and run more to maybe keep a D on it's heels. Quite frankly it appears he needs a more muted, business-like approach than talking smack IMHO
as I was saying......
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a - fuckin' Gus Johnson....Jesus
b - who is OU's OC? He's lazy. Uhh, Idk what to call, let's just do a read-option where Mateer keeps it again.
Their #1 play is hike the ball and have the QB mess around and get 2 yards.
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I refuse to listen to Gus - any game he's in the booth is on mute
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I really don't get why he still has a job.
Nearly everyone hates the guy.
I want to watch a good game, but no.
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you can write any amount of asterisk you want on this message board that about 50 people in the entire world read, doesn't change anything. Jeem is a hell of a football coach. one of the very best of his era. and he's done it successfully on every level of ball from small college, to major college, and NFL. only a fool would try to argue against his abilities as a football coach.
He's a great football coach. But was he a great MICHIGAN football coach?
His first 5 seasons were just "ok" for a team like Michigan. It also included numerous scandals. And he was 0-5 vs OSU during that stretch. The COVID season was terrible, but we can call that an outlier. Then his three successful seasons were marred by one of the worst cheating scandals in CFB history. And he ran out of town ahead of NCAA penalties as a result of that scandal.
Carr had an equal number of national championship seasons for Michigan (1), 5 conference championships, and a better percentage H2H record vs OSU. And a clean off-field record over a decade that fans can be proud of having him represent their school.
You can argue Harbaugh is a better on-field coach over the history of his career. But IMHO his coaching performance AT Michigan doesn't clearly delineate him from Carr. So while I know you don't care about the off-field stuff, IMHO it makes at least a good tiebreaker.
I'm with Badge on this one.
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Lloyd Carr also took over a Michigan program in much better shape that was stocked with talent. Jeem had to completely rebuild it.
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To the national media, who has for 2 years told me the John Mateer is a good QB….
Shut up already. He sucks.
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Fair point.
But Carr was heavily involved (DC / Ass. HC) in the previous regime that led to his team being stocked with talent when he took over as HC.
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Michigan’s OL showed some improvement as did QB Underwood. The defense kept them in the game despite the stupid penalties. Lots and lots to work on to get ready for late November.
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Maube OU is really not all that good? Maybe Michigan just massively was looking ahead last week? CFB is a funny sport.
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I definitely don't think Mateer is everything the media want him to be. He's had some very good games but tends to disappear against good defenses.
I'm hopeful that trend continues in the Cotton Bowl this year.
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he will probably find some magic in the cotton bowl
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To the national media, who has for 2 years told me the John Mateer is a good QB….
Shut up already. He sucks.
he's a 5th year SR who has been in the same system with the same OC for like 4 years. It's a bit concerning that he cannot accurately throw the football down the field.
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I definitely don't think Mateer is everything the media want him to be. He's had some very good games but tends to disappear against good defenses.
I'm hopeful that trend continues in the Cotton Bowl this year.
yeah he's definitely not, but in his defense their OL kinda blows. they can't run the ball effectively and Michigan's EDGE rushers absolutely abused their tackles. Michigan is legit loaded at EDGE rusher.
https://twitter.com/NFL_DF/status/2099131527065944368?s=20
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Quick reality ✔️, Nichols registered 1.5 sacks during Michigan's season opener against Western Michigan and added 0.5 sacks in the Wolverines' 17-10 victory over Oklahoma. There's no sunshine pumpers in AA at all is there?
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Quick reality ✔️, Nichols registered 1.5 sacks during Michigan's season opener against Western Michigan and added 0.5 sacks in the Wolverines' 17-10 victory over Oklahoma. There's no sunshine pumpers in AA at all is there?
that is from an NFL Draft page, not a Michigan fan page FYI.
have not checked the stats but have watched both games- and Nichols has definitely jumped off the screen. he was the defensive crown jewel of the 2024 class- Coach Skirt Chaser singled Nichols out as a future superstar after the 2024 fall camp. he dabbled as RS Frosh in 2025 but looks like he's on track for a breakout in 2026 as a RS Soph.
Michigan is pretty loaded at EDGE rusher. porthole transfer John Henry Daley is a freaking DUDE, Nichols looks like he's about to breakout, Cam Brandt is a really solid 5th year guy, they have a 5* from the 2025 class in Nate Marshall, a 5* from the 2026 class in Carter Meadows, and then RS Soph. Lugard Edokpayi might be the biggest freak show of them all at 6'7+, 260+ lbs with 84"+ wingspan.
They got talent up the wazoo at EDGE rusher.
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oh and this is a run of the mill 6'1" under-sized 3* true frosh EDGE already making noise in Tariq Boney...they are stocked at EDGE
https://twitter.com/Marshall23szn/status/2099131079844098083?s=20
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stacked at EDGE rusher....stacked.....
https://twitter.com/BriceMarich/status/2094427594808570274?s=20
https://twitter.com/BigTenNetwork/status/2098860537538924748?s=20
https://twitter.com/IC_Draft/status/2098810559634305192?s=20
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that is from an NFL Draft page, not a Michigan fan page FYI.
have not checked the stats but have watched both games
So you ran with it because it pimped your product,NO doubt from behind a blue wall with rooting interest
Their opening statement proclaims and I Quote "Your Most Reliable Source on NFL, NCAA, and NFL Draft News, Film, and Opinions"
So they've just flat out lied twice - once about Nichols stats and that they are reliable & accurate.It took me one click to refute that graffiti I must be a facking rock of journalistic integrity to dig that up right away so you just might as well start quoting me :D
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I mean you can say that all you want it does not make it true. I prefer Lloyd Carr as a personality and his approach over Jeem. All day long. Jeem is in outer space. He’s still a better football coach. Very few have at the kind of success he’s had at every level of football.
The guy who took a pay cut to avoid getting fired, and then cheated his ass off, and quit before the NCAA banned him?
Nah, Ill take Carr
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I'll take Carr, no one assumed he cheated
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The 2023 title* is not undisputed.
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I'll take Carr, no one assumed he cheated
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So you ran with it because it pimped your product,NO doubt from behind a blue wall with rooting interest
Their opening statement proclaims and I Quote "Your Most Reliable Source on NFL, NCAA, and NFL Draft News, Film, and Opinions"
So they've just flat out lied twice - once about Nichols stats and that they are reliable & accurate.It took me one click to refute that graffiti I must be a facking rock of journalistic integrity to dig that up right away so you just might as well start quoting me :D
how's this nubbz? PFF pass rush grades through 2 games....
https://twitter.com/BBsBigHouse1/status/2099615060343627812?s=20
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That spin move by Nichols during his pass rush in the linked video is pretty sick.
I don't see a lot of college guys that can utilize a spin move like that. I don't see a ton of guys in the NFL who can do it that effectively, though the tackles are a lot more adept at neutralizing it there.
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how's this nubbz? PFF pass rush grades through 2 games....
Just seeing this, I didn't question the guys talent, just questioned multiplying his actual stats by 2.5. And half those came against a Mac Squad that finished 3-5 last season. Which all probably means he'll obuse tOSU's right side of the Line because "Just for Men" Ryan Day didn't actually shore up anything this off season, he just shuffled bodies around and with early injuries they're back to re-evaluating their depth yet again :banghead:
As much as I despise Booger for his Boom and Zoom tactics at least he addressed these things thru the portal.