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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on July 25, 2026, 03:01:27 PM
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I was watching the youtubes and a point was made that conferences were no longer needed in college football. The convo progressed to their needing to be regional again (thanks B1G), but that a draft would be interesting.
My initial thought was you'd have largely the same teams in the same existing conferences, but also at some point, someone would make a "holy cow" choice of a school.
We could do a draft here if we wanted. Each person could represent a conference and we'd draft the teams we'd want.
Any interest? It would take awhile, because of turn-taking, but it might be interesting with what we end up with.
The only rule is your conference would have to be contiguous.
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So, if I say chose Georgia first, I could only choose programs from contiguous states second?
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So, if I say chose Georgia first, I could only choose programs from contiguous states second?
Correct. Or another team in GA, of course.
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Start with Tennessee, they border 8 states.
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SEC & B1G should just merge and then leave the NCAA and get it over with already.
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My question is how many different conferences would we start with? 4? 8?
I think it would be a really fun exercise, as regionality is enforced by this method. I view it as a campus allowing people to create trails in the grass and then paving over those places as sidewalks. Letting it organically happen and then copying it as the infrastructure.
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I like the idea but feel like we're likely to end up with a PAC-10, Big Ten, Big 8, SWC, and SEC.
Which would of course make sense and be a thoroughly satisfactory result.
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I really just wish Penn State and ND joined the Big East and we'd be here in 2026 with 7 conf champs + 1 super strong at-large for an 8-team holy shit playoff.
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I really just wish Penn State and ND joined the Big East and we'd be here in 2026 with 7 conf champs + 1 super strong at-large for an 8-team holy shit playoff.
Amen brutha. Coulda been so beautiful.
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beautiful indeed, just w/o the playoff
(4) great bowl games and then a holy shit plus one
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I suspect "we" would contrive pretty obvious results, similar to what some have posted before as "ideal conferences".
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I really just wish Penn State and ND joined the Big East and we'd be here in 2026 with 7 conf champs + 1 super strong at-large for an 8-team holy shit playoff.
As I understand it, Pitt F'd that up when JoePa wanted it to happen.
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I think we'd all prefer conferences have some geographic contiguity, but ... that train has done run.
I was on a flight back from Hawaii with the NMSU lady's soccer team (who were easy on the eye). They had played Hawaii. I was musing about the expenses.
Major programs can afford this easily I surmise, but some will find it more difficult. They could end up dropping teams.
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The SEC is contiguous and always will be.
The B1G brains went soft.
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One could of course construct a contiguous conference that went from coast to coast ...
Maybe the criteria should be no program more than X miles from any other ...
But, it's a done deal now. Maybe the Pac resurfaces at some point as B1G West or somesuch.
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One could of course construct a contiguous conference that went from coast to coast ...
I suppose the B1G could add Colorado, Utah and Arizona to be Coast to Coast.
I'd rather the B1G's only coasts be on Great Lakes.
I still have the plans I prepared to put a Great Lake in Iowa.
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well, if you'd put one on the Missouri river, you could catch Iowa and Nebraska
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It has to be contiguous with the Great Lakes.
Nebraska is in the Big 8.
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I suppose the B1G could add Colorado, Utah and Arizona to be Coast to Coast.
I'd rather the B1G's only coasts be on Great Lakes.
I still have the plans I prepared to put a Great Lake in Iowa.
The Mississip every few years, no?
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You could count states bordering non-P4 states as contiguous (a la Warshington and Minnesota) if you wanted.
And the PACish B1G West idea is my hope for the future, since we'll never go backward. Old school 10-team conferences becoming 10-team divisions under the big-ass conference umbrellas. There's a real path to that, if any decision-makers have any affinity at all for how things used to be.
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The Mississip every few years, no?
No.
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Is there any realistic chance of sensible P4 conference realignment in the future? I don't mean adding someone here and there, but carving it all out differently?
USC in the B1G? Who woulda thought...
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I feel the only realistic chance is if TV contracts are distributed differently.
If/when the top 66 or 70 programs form a league to share top revenue, they could collectively negotiate with the networks as one group and not as separate conferences.
If that were to happen, then regional "conferences" could be created with all teams sharing somewhat equal revenue.
probably never happen
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I love the current setup myself. I've really grown towards seeing it far superior than what we had 20-30 years ago.
I will love it even more when the B1G, SEC, and ACC kick out the LSOP teams and finally create one super conference, within or out of the NCAA envelope.
No more Tulsa's, Prairie View A&M, or any of that silliness. Only Top 50 vs Top 50.
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Okay, but with that comes scheduled rematches, 2-3-4-loss "champions", etc.
We already have that. It's called the NFL.
The sanctity, the sense of urgency of the regular season used to make college football unique.
It set it apart. Along with the marching bands, bigger stadiums, and 4-year turnover, you loved the program.
That's gone now. OSU-UM is nearly meaningless now. It truly is.
Players transferring six times is a thing now. Cam Ward, a #1 draft pick, had a college experience like the Jeffersons (movin' on up...) from something called Incarnate Word to Wazzou to Miami. Good for him, bad for college football.
If/when college football is a junior NFL, when it's a five year old wearing his dad's jacket and boots, all oversized and silly-looking, it needn't exist anymore. It will just be an inferior product.
And the frustrating part once you realize this is that there's still a way to not be that. But no decision-makers will maneuver to make it so.
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This could fit into the death of CFB thread ....
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It's just supposed to be a fun little exercise, to see how it would turn out differently than present.
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It's just supposed to be a fun little exercise, to see how it would turn out differently than present.
I wonder if it might be interesting to have people from NOT their own geographical area, do the selecting. So a B1G fans starts with Florida. An SEC fan starts with California. Etc.
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I draft Notre Dame.
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I'll start with Tennessee.
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I think you should start with 2 conferences and pick your P2 conferences of 16 teams each. Then start 2 more conferences and pick your M2 conferences of 16 teams each. Then start 2 more conferences of 16 teams each.
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I draft Notre Dame.
And then you will destroy it?
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I select Ohio State with my #1 pick.
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Okay, but with that comes scheduled rematches, 2-3-4-loss "champions", etc.
We already have that. It's called the NFL.
The sanctity, the sense of urgency of the regular season used to make college football unique.
It set it apart. Along with the marching bands, bigger stadiums, and 4-year turnover, you loved the program.
That's gone now. OSU-UM is nearly meaningless now. It truly is.
Players transferring six times is a thing now. Cam Ward, a #1 draft pick, had a college experience like the Jeffersons (movin' on up...) from something called Incarnate Word to Wazzou to Miami. Good for him, bad for college football.
If/when college football is a junior NFL, when it's a five year old wearing his dad's jacket and boots, all oversized and silly-looking, it needn't exist anymore. It will just be an inferior product.
And the frustrating part once you realize this is that there's still a way to not be that. But no decision-makers will maneuver to make it so.
No it's not, it's more popular than ever. Ratings are higher than they've ever been, stadiums are expanding bigger than ever.
CFB is at an all time high popularity wise.
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BTW, the whole sanctity of the regular season is still fully intact. Just ask Texas (lost to Florida, missed the playoff). It still matters. If A&M had not beaten ND in Game One, we would not have made the playoff, and ND would have.
We can cherry pick all the little things along the way, but the whole sanctity of the season pretty much only applies to non-blue bloods. Blue Bloods and near blue bloods have always been given a pass. Ask 1998 KSU and 2003 OU.
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I think you should start with 2 conferences and pick your P2 conferences of 16 teams each. Then start 2 more conferences and pick your M2 conferences of 16 teams each. Then start 2 more conferences of 16 teams each.
P2 draft - each conference drafts 1 at a time starting with P2 south. Every pick must touch a state already selected
P2 North
1. Ohio St
2. MICH
3. Notre Dame
4 . Penn St
5. Illinois
6. Wisconsin
7. Iowa
8. Nebraska
9. Colorado
10. Utah
11. Ariz St
12. USC
13. Oregon
14. Wash
15. Mizzou
16. Minn
P2 South
1. Texas
2. LSU
3. Bama
4. Florida
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. Tenn
8. UNC
9. Clemson
10. Virginia
11. Tex A&M
12. Flor St
13. Auburn
14. Ole Miss
15. Kentucky
16. Miami
M2 draft - picks from remaing schools this time going west and east and you can go with 20 teams each
M2 west
1. UCLA
2. Arizona
3. BYU
4. Col St
5. Kansas
6. Iowa St
7. Ok St
8. TT
9. TCU
10. Arkansas
11. Miss St
12. Cal
13. Stan
14. Kan St
15. Baylor
16. Ore St
17. Hou
18. SDSU
19. SMU
20. UNLV
M2 east
1. Virginia Tech
2. NCSU
3. South Carolina
4. GT
5. UCF
6. USF
7. Louisville
8. Purdue
9. Indiana
10. MD
11. Pitt
12. Duke
13. WV
14. Cincy
15. Rutgers
16. Cuse
17. UConn
18. BC
19. NW
20. Vandy
P4 or former BCS left out
Wash St, Wake
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And then you will destroy it?
Just drafting them into a conference would probably destroy them.
If that doesn't work -- I'll change their helmets and pants to silver, instead of gold.
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P2 draft - each conference drafts 1 at a time starting with P2 south. Every pick must touch a state already selected
P2 North
1. Ohio St
2. MICH
3. Notre Dame
4 . Penn St
5. Illinois
6. Wisconsin
7. Iowa
8. Nebraska
9. Colorado
10. Utah
11. Ariz St
12. USC
13. Oregon
14. Wash
15. Mizzou
16. Minn
P2 South
1. Texas
2. LSU
3. Bama
4. Florida
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. Tenn
8. UNC
9. Clemson
10. Virginia
11. Tex A&M
12. Flor St
13. Auburn
14. Ole Miss
15. Kentucky
16. Miami
M2 draft - picks from remaing schools this time going west and east and you can go with 20 teams each
M2 west
1. UCLA
2. Arizona
3. BYU
4. Col St
5. Kansas
6. Iowa St
7. Ok St
8. TT
9. TCU
10. Arkansas
11. Miss St
12. Cal
13. Stan
14. Kan St
15. Baylor
16. Ore St
17. Hou
18. SDSU
19. SMU
20. UNLV
M2 east
1. Virginia Tech
2. NCSU
3. South Carolina
4. GT
5. UCF
6. USF
7. Louisville
8. Purdue
9. Indiana
10. MD
11. Pitt
12. Duke
13. WV
14. Cincy
15. Rutgers
16. Cuse
17. UConn
18. BC
19. NW
20. Vandy
P4 or former BCS left out
Wash St, Wake
could easily leave out #17-#20 in both M2s
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BTW, the whole sanctity of the regular season is still fully intact. Just ask Texas (lost to Florida, missed the playoff). It still matters. If A&M had not beaten ND in Game One, we would not have made the playoff, and ND would have.
We can cherry pick all the little things along the way, but the whole sanctity of the season pretty much only applies to non-blue bloods. Blue Bloods and near blue bloods have always been given a pass. Ask 1998 KSU and 2003 OU.
I don't think you have the sample size to claim that.
We have (had?) a system that included the 18th and 19th-ranked teams in a 12-team playoff. And just like the BCS in 2000, they're going to tweak it every year, with no real plan to identify the best performing team, only to make the most money.
Ohio State (a blueblood) fans know better than anyone how vital every game used to be and how irrelevant a late-season rivalry game is now. In '93, '95, '96, '21, and 2023, a loss to UM ended their NC hopes.
Now? Lose to UNRANKED Michigan in '24 and go on to win a NC. Lose the BTCG to Indiana and still be a 3-seed in the playoff.
There is no sanctity anymore. None. Inexplicable loss to MSU? Fine now. A blip. Get blown out somehow by Purdue? Yawn. All good.
Just like the NFL. Just win 70-75% of your games, then the tournament of entertainment begins and you'll see how it goes.
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You's guys can name your conference whenever, but here's what we have, and I'll add mine. Anyone else wanting to play, just quote and add yours. A snake draft would be most fair.
jgvol - ND
847 - Tennessee
MDT - Ohio State
OAM - Texas
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Oh geez!
This is delicious, I like it.
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then why don't you have a conference?
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Yeah, hop in.
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Gonna watch from the sidelines.
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:73:
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Yeah, why get in on the fun? Delicious, you say? But don't partake?
NO SOUP FOR YOU! COME BACK, ONE YEAR!
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2. Georgia
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I'm confused, but in case it's my turn, gimme Michigan.
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I'm confused, but in case it's my turn, gimme Michigan.
Ohio State and Michigan. Who woulda thunk it.
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BTW, the whole sanctity of the regular season is still fully intact. Just ask Texas (lost to Florida, missed the playoff). It still matters. If A&M had not beaten ND in Game One, we would not have made the playoff, and ND would have.
We can cherry pick all the little things along the way, but the whole sanctity of the season pretty much only applies to non-blue bloods. Blue Bloods and near blue bloods have always been given a pass. Ask 1998 KSU and 2003 OU.
Just when I think I'm healed.
My oldest was in utero at the time, and now has her own toddler.
A whole friggin generation later...
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Ohio State and Michigan. Who woulda thunk it.
I don't make the rules, I'm just attempting to draft by them.
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You know, I did like the contiguous, play-everybody-every-year Old Big 8, and the big 3 of the 8 when I became cognizant kicked some serious ass during my formative years and beyond, especially the 90's.
But my school was horrific, and played in a stadium either Trev Alberts or Brian Bozworth (interchangable douchenozzles) described as a "nuclear waste dump." Broken clocks, and such.
The money has floweth into the whole University mightily since the advent of the Big XII. The stadium is really very nice, expanded, there are 4-lane highways coming into town from 3 directions (sorry North), and there are new buildings on campus everywhere, and lots of nice new housing for students. The shack Ski and I shared for a summer was dozed long ago (which was still too late.)
So, for nostagia purposes, give me the Big 8. But, at least for the last 30 years, the Big XII was a good thing. We'll see how it goes from here, I guess.
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Add Utah and Arky to the Big 8 and that would have been something.
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Add Utah and Arky to the Big 8 and that would have been something.
Had TX Governatrix Ann Richards not lobbied for her Alma Mater Baylor to be included, wonder how different just adding UT/aTm to make 10 would have played out.
But that happened after the SEC plucked Arkansas and also added South Carolina to make 12 and start the first CCG, and Penn St. making for the Big 10-leven.
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I used to call for Iowa to the 8-10-12 since the state doesn't touch a Great Lake like the other 10 do (did).
What we have now sucks ass.
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Had TX Governatrix Ann Richards not lobbied for her Alma Mater Baylor to be included, wonder how different just adding UT/aTm to make 10 would have played out.
But that happened after the SEC plucked Arkansas and also added South Carolina to make 12 and start the first CCG, and Penn St. making for the Big 10-leven.
Oh come on, not this shit again.
It wasn't Ann Richards.
It was Lieutenant Governor Bob Bullock, who held degrees from both Texas Tech and Baylor, who made it happen. At that time he was like a modern day LBJ in the way he wielded power within the state and there wasn't going to be any denying him.
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Oh come on, not this shit again.
It wasn't Ann Richards.
It was Lieutenant Governor Bob Bullock, who held degrees from both Texas Tech and Baylor, who made it happen. At that time he was like a modern day LBJ in the way he wielded power within the state and there wasn't going to be any denying him.
OK.
Never heard of him.
But, given that unforgivable error, I think the original premise is workable.
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OK.
Never heard of him.
But, given that unforgivable error, I think the original premise is workable.
Well, sure.
But I also don't think Texas was likely to make a move without having several "buddies" for two reasons-- first, it keeps a little more of the schedule regional. And second, it's potential voting allies when it comes to major decisions. That is, IF you think your "allies" are likely to vote along with you. And in reality, in many cases, it did work out that way.
I don't think a move of just Texas and A&M to the Big 8 was ever really an option, regardless of what Ann Richards or Bob Bullock might or might not have done.
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Why do the conferences need to be contiguous? In the old Big 12, We had Texas in the South, and Iowa in the North.
It's not like we're taking a bus to Lubbock either. Getting on a plane is getting on a plane, whether it's a 2 hr flight or 4 hr flight.
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Why do the conferences need to be contiguous? In the old Big 12, We had Texas in the South, and Iowa in the North.
It's not like we're taking a bus to Lubbock either. Getting on a plane is getting on a plane, whether it's a 2 hr flight or 4 hr flight.
That's true for football, but for rowing, track, golf, and tiddlywinks, conference trips from New Jersey to Washington are ridonkulous. I never went, but the idea of driving a couple hours to Lincoln and 3.5 to Columbia would be...nice. Novel, even.
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Oh come on, not this shit again.
It wasn't Ann Richards.
hah!!!
come on, stir this old shit up again - it's so damned old it prolly don't even stink any longer :57:
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2. Georgia
It's not your pick.
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Why do the conferences need to be contiguous? In the old Big 12, We had Texas in the South, and Iowa in the North.
It's not like we're taking a bus to Lubbock either. Getting on a plane is getting on a plane, whether it's a 2 hr flight or 4 hr flight.
Because. There's no such thing as "the old Big 12." There is an old Big 8 and an old SWC. Which were each contiguous. Because it made sense. Regionality was a good thing.
Does anyone else want to pick? If not, we're going to have 4 very loaded conferences of ___ teams each.
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It's not your pick.
I'm tired of waiting.
3. Florida
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Thanks for being exactly what you are.
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is this basically the rebranded conference realignment thread? yuck.
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abstain
verb
:to choose not to do or have something : to refrain deliberately and often with an effort of self-denial from an action or practice
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Too many are skipping their turns. Not me.
4. Alabama
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put in on auto pick like the fantasy draft
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is this basically the rebranded conference realignment thread? yuck.
Inherently so, yes.
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Too many are skipping their turns. Not me.
4. Alabama
I can't keep track of when it's my turn, ya putz.
3. Penn St.
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is this basically the rebranded conference realignment thread? yuck.
I had a goal to shoot for a hybrid that's different than anything today, but given the southern schools that are being scooped up before I get down in that direction, I'm probably just going to wind up with the Big Ten all over again, which was not my point.
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847sabotagebastagefan
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put in on auto pick like the fantasy draft
My fantasy is for badge to lose his internet for awhile.
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We have fiber - buried underground and hurricane proof!
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I took ND and then never picked again.
ND shall remain an Independent apparently.
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You's guys can name your conference whenever, but here's what we have, and I'll add mine. Anyone else wanting to play, just quote and add yours. A snake draft would be most fair.
jgvol - ND
847 - Tennessee
MDT - Ohio State
OAM - Texas
Okay, forget the snake draft, @jgvol , you're up.
jgvol - ND
847 - Tennessee
MDT - Ohio State
OAM - Texas
jgvol -
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Okay, forget the snake draft, @jgvol , you're up.
jgvol - ND
847 - Tennessee
MDT - Ohio State
OAM - Texas
jgvol -
Okay, forget the snake draft, @jgvol , you're up.
jgvol - ND
847 - Tennessee
MDT - Ohio State
OAM - Texas
jgvol - Michigan
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@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) your pick
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Georgia.
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jgvol - ND
847 - Tennessee
MDT - Ohio State
OAM - Texas
jgvol - UM
847 - Georgia
@MikeDeTiger -
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I guess some of my picks weren't official? I thought I'd picked OSU, UM and PSU. Much like the MLB draft, looks like some of my picks opted out and signed with other college drafters.
Okay.....I'll take West Virginia.
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I guess some of my picks weren't official? I thought I'd picked OSU, UM and PSU. Much like the MLB draft, looks like some of my picks opted out and signed with other college drafters.
Okay.....I'll take West Virginia.
Just a rogue conference commissioner. Pay him no mind.
I'll take LSU.
jgvol - ND
847 - Tennessee
MDT - Ohio State
OAM - Texas
jgvol - UM
847 - Georgia
@MikeDeTiger - WV
OAM - LSU
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567) -
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jgvol - ND
847 - Tennessee
MDT - Ohio State
OAM - Texas
jgvol - UM
847 - Georgia
@MikeDeTiger - WV
OAM - LSU
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567) - Mich St.
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Summary so far:
jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
847
Tennessee
Georgia
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
OAM
Texas
LSU
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5), I believe you're up.
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Florida
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My turn, I think.
Indiana
@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) is up
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Summary so far:
jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Ole Miss
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567) you're up
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jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
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Alabama
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Virginia Tech
For visual reference, here's a map of our selections so far. jgvol is red, I'm blue, badge is green, OAM is yellow. I'm not happy with the way the crosshatch for Indiana came out but I'm not spending more time on it. It's supposed to represent overlap between jgvol and myself.
(https://i.imgur.com/AZviarF.jpeg)
@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) is up
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Virginia Tech
For visual reference, here's a map of our selections so far. jgvol is red, I'm blue, badge is green, OAM is yellow. I'm not happy with the way the crosshatch for Indiana came out but I'm not spending more time on it. It's supposed to represent overlap between jgvol and myself.
(https://i.imgur.com/AZviarF.jpeg)
@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) is up
I appreciate the visual!
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Looking out into the future here...
Does CO border AZ? Does UT border NM?
Figure we need a ruling on this before teams get there...
Oh, and also... @jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567) is thoroughly screwed from here already.
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Looking out into the future here...
Does CO border AZ? Does UT border NM?
Figure we need a ruling on this before teams get there...
Oh, and also... @jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567) is thoroughly screwed from here already.
How so?
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Looking out into the future here...
Does CO border AZ? Does UT border NM?
Figure we need a ruling on this before teams get there...
Oh, and also... @jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567) is thoroughly screwed from here already.
I would say yes in this case.
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How so?
You're at least two hops away from anyone you'd actually want to draft if you want a true "power" conference... Meaning access to blue bloods.
- MDT can take PSU before you can get to PA. In fact, MDT can take both PSU and Pitt before you get to PA, so unless you want to take Temple, you're pretty well blocked off from the Northeast. And because MDT has OSU, you'd have to take a crappy school like Cincinnati, Toledo, or Miami (OH), to even get there.
- To get to Mizzouri, you have to take either Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, or Iowa State, Kentucky, or Louisville. None are anywhere near blue blood (Iowa probably the closest). But Badge is only one hop from Mizzou so he can block you before you get there.
- To go South, you have to go through Kentucky, which means Kentucky or Louisville. Neither is very good. But then that only gets you to Tennessee, and UTK is already gone. Who do you want, Memphis? And then from there you can expect Auburn is gone, Arkansas is gone, UNC is gone, Clemson is gone, so the most desirable teams in the south would be snapped up before you can get through to those states.
- Your best bet here I think is Iowa to then get to Nebraska. That gets you to Colorado if you want a West Coast expansion. But if OAM takes OU next [as I predict], then he's got the drop on you for at least the Buffaloes, and would be one step ahead to either Utah or AZ/AZST. And regardless of the ruling on whether AZ actually "borders" CA, he's going to consistently be one step ahead of you to California and therefore to OR/WA.
I feel like the anchors of your conference at best are Notre Dame, Michigan, and Nebraska. Because you're geographically at a disadvantage from getting anyone other "historic" programs.
Just my $0.02 anyway.
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Don't give away strategy!
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Don't give away strategy!
Strategy LOL.
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Don't give away strategy!
Some of these strategies are so obvious that if I'm telling people something they don't already know, then they weren't prepared for this exercise in the first place.
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You're at least two hops away from anyone you'd actually want to draft if you want a true "power" conference... Meaning access to blue bloods.
There aren't that many blue bloods, anyway. I have 2 in the bag.
- MDT can take PSU before you can get to PA. In fact, MDT can take both PSU and Pitt before you get to PA, so unless you want to take Temple, you're pretty well blocked off from the Northeast. And because MDT has OSU, you'd have to take a crappy school like Cincinnati, Toledo, or Miami (OH), to even get there. Cincinnati is the path if I really want to get to PA in 2 steps.
- To get to Mizzouri, you have to take either Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, or Iowa State, Kentucky, or Louisville. None are anywhere near blue blood (Iowa probably the closest). But Badge is only one hop from Mizzou so he can block you before you get there. Iowa is better than Mizzou. Why would Mizzou be desirable? Every fan in the SEC wants them booted.
- To go South, you have to go through Kentucky, which means Kentucky or Louisville. Neither is very good. But then that only gets you to Tennessee, and UTK is already gone. Who do you want, Memphis? And then from there you can expect Auburn is gone, Arkansas is gone, UNC is gone, Clemson is gone, so the most desirable teams in the south would be snapped up before you can get through to those states. Agreed that the South is done, pretty much. There is a chance to scoop Arky maybe but who cares? The 3 others are battling it out in the South.
- Your best bet here I think is Iowa to then get to Nebraska. That gets you to Colorado if you want a West Coast expansion. But if OAM takes OU next [as I predict], then he's got the drop on you for at least the Buffaloes, and would be one step ahead to either Utah or AZ/AZST. And regardless of the ruling on whether AZ actually "borders" CA, he's going to consistently be one step ahead of you to California and therefore to OR/WA. Indeed.
I feel like the anchors of your conference at best are Notre Dame, Michigan, and Nebraska. Because you're geographically at a disadvantage from getting anyone other "historic" programs.
So basically the B1G is terrible without Ohio St. ?? :)
Just my $0.02 anyway.
I think the contiguous rule came into play after my joke post of "I'll take ND." so......it is what it is.
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It'll be interesting where OAM goes from here.
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567) I'm not saying the Big Ten is crap w/o OSU... You're basically trading ND for OSU, and Nebraska for PSU. IMHO both of those are downgrades, but they're not chopped liver.
I'm just saying Purdue, Northwestern, and Minnesota aren't exactly prizes. Iowa is probably the strongest traditional Big Ten program of what you have in your immediate field, followed by Illinois. Purdue counts if you include basketball, but I think we all know that it's football that moves the needle.
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It will be similarly difficult (by which I mean, teams I don't want) for me to escape to the west. In my obvious attempt to wall off Penn St. and thereby try to acquire some other schools first (this is not intended as a slight to PSU, I only left them alone thus far for strategy's sake) I forewent westward expansion earlier, and now that will be much more difficult. Honestly, the real west is a lost cause for me at this point. OAM can scoop all those up way before I'll have the chance.
In my defense, I didn't give this any thought when I started and only started looking at options when everybody had made a couple picks and I could visualize it better.
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It'll be interesting where OAM goes from here.
Well Oklahoma is a blue blood and a pretty obvious choice.
It will be similarly difficult (by which I mean, teams I don't want) for me to escape to the west. In my obvious attempt to wall off Penn St. and thereby try to acquire some other schools first (this is not intended as a slight to PSU, I only left them alone thus far for strategy's sake) I forewent westward expansion earlier, and now that will be much more difficult. Honestly, the real west is a lost cause for me at this point. OAM can scoop all those up way before I'll have the chance.
In my defense, I didn't give this any thought when I started and only started looking at options when everybody had made a couple picks and I could visualize it better.
Wait, is there some rule that two conferences can't have a school in the same state? I don't recall seeing anyone state that. But granted I've only been loosely following the proceedings.
I mean, if you lose the flagship in a state that's an obvious blow, but some states have reasonably desirable secondary teams.
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Well Oklahoma is a blue blood and a pretty obvious choice.
Wait, is there some rule that two conferences can't have a school in the same state? I don't recall seeing anyone state that. But granted I've only been loosely following the proceedings.
I mean, if you lose the flagship in a state that's an obvious blow, but some states have reasonably desirable secondary teams.
No, conferences can have schools in the same state. jgvol and I already have schools in Indiana. Also, I think, if there aren't any P5 schools left available in a state, or there weren't any to start off with (like, say, New Mexico), you can skip over it. But I need to check with OAM.....we might have to take G5 schools if they're there. Don't remember.
What I meant for myself was, anywhere westward I go, somebody else will be able to get the desirable schools first. Realistically, I'm looking at leftovers. And that while somebody can theoretically go through my territory to get to PSU, they can't do it before I take it. They aren't getting Penn St., their attention should likely be focused elsewhere.
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Wait, is there some rule that two conferences can't have a school in the same state? I don't recall seeing anyone state that. But granted I've only been loosely following the proceedings.
I mean, if you lose the flagship in a state that's an obvious blow, but some states have reasonably desirable secondary teams.
Yeah, I don't see any reason why two conference can't have a school in the same state. jgvol and MDT already both have schools in the state of Indiana.
I also don't see any reason why a single conference can't have multiple schools in a single state. jgvol already has both UM and MSU.
It just gets tough to have to take a school you don't actually want just to get through one state and into another. I.e. Colorado--if the Buffaloes get taken do you really want to pick CSU or AFA just to get through the state?
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I suspect that was a key part of how OAM envisioned the exercise.....what do you get when you're forced to think regionally?
Well, I suppose you'd probably get the old conferences. But of course, we only have 4 players here, and there were more old conferences than that, so...
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Yeah, I don't see any reason why two conference can't have a school in the same state. jgvol and MDT already both have schools in the state of Indiana.
I also don't see any reason why a single conference can't have multiple schools in a single state. jgvol already has both UM and MSU.
It just gets tough to have to take a school you don't actually want just to get through one state and into another. I.e. Colorado--if the Buffaloes get taken do you really want to pick CSU or AFA just to get through the state?
It's inevitable, I believe.
Anyway, 847 already had this wrapped up easily.
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I thought about starting with USC. Not enough blue bloods out there.
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I thought about starting with USC. Not enough blue bloods out there.
Well, yeah. They're the only one. And it takes at least a couple sacrifical states before you can move east enough to get the next one.
This is a large part of why the PAC ultimately failed in a television-ratings-driven paradigm.
And of course, it's exactly what I told PiratesRoost would happen, back in 2010. He refused to believe it was possible. So did PAC leadership, obviously.
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Anyway, 847 already had this wrapped up easily.
OAM is pretty well-positioned...
...which might not be surprising since I think he was probably thinking about this a long way ahead of a lot of the other participants.
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Well, yeah. They're the only one. And it takes at least a couple sacrifical states before you can move east enough to get the next one.
This is a large part of why the PAC ultimately failed in a television-ratings-driven paradigm.
And of course, it's exactly what I told PiratesRoost would happen, back in 2010. He refused to believe it was possible. So did PAC leadership, obviously.
PAC leadership should have grabbed Texas and Oklahoma when they had their chance
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PAC leadership should have grabbed Texas and Oklahoma when they had their chance
TBF, they tried. Back around 2010, 2011, something like that. They tried to do the PAC 16. iirc, UT and OU were interested. Somebody gummed up the works, though, can't remember who. Hooky was pretty irate the deal fell through, as I recall.
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TBF, they tried. Back around 2010, 2011, something like that. They tried to do the PAC 16. iirc, UT and OU were interested. Somebody gummed up the works, though, can't remember who. Hooky was pretty irate the deal fell through, as I recall.
There's a lot that happened, and we've re-hashed it a bunch on this site and others.
Short version-- when it seemed like the B12 was going to implode, with Nebraska headed to the B1G, six of the B12 leftover schools started negotiating with the PAC to create a soft landing spot. Texas, Texas A&M, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahome State, and Texas Tech. UT athletic director DeLoss Dodds was one of the architects of that deal. All 6 of those schools had official invitations. But in the final hours, Texas A&M administration balked. They didn't really want to go to the PAC, and indeed they'd always eyed the SEC and figured if they were going to make a change, they'd rather head east. So they decided against joining the PAC. That caused a delay in the deal, and gave the B12 enough time to come up with a new deal that made the money decent enough for Texas and OU and the others to stay.
In the meantime Baylor officials began getting stirred up, and some of their politicians in the Texas state legislature started talking about trying to exert pressure on UT and A&M and Texas Tech, to get Baylor an invitation instead of Colorado. Colorado had long since been eyeing the PAC anyway, a lot of their students and alums are from California anyway, and so they went ahead and accepted the invitation before anybody could maneuver Baylor into the deal instead of the Buffs.
Ultimately the B12's new contract terms sufficed for Texas and OU, and the B12 was "saved" from destruction.
That was the 2009/2010 round of realignment.
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I remember how monumental that all felt.....to think the offers were legit on the table and schools only had to accept them. Even the relatively minor movement once the dust settled of Nebraska going to the Big Ten and Colorado going to the PAC seemed huge.
I never would've guessed back then that such major conference realignment propositions would make me roll my eyes and say "It must be Tuesday."
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Baylor is a pain in the ass.
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yup, could easily had 3 conferences with 16 instead of two with 18.
I kinda wish it woulda happened in hindsight
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I wish none of it happened.
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agreed, for sure but,...................
I'd have much rather the big 12 be the 3rd 16-team conference by pluckin USC and another from the PAC - kept UNL, UT, A&M, and OU together
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agreed, for sure but,...................
I'd have much rather the big 12 be the 3rd 16-team conference by pluckin USC and another from the PAC - kept UNL, UT, A&M, and OU together
Yup. I don't give a rat's ass about any team in the former PAC 12 other than USC. Adding USC to the B12 would have been fun. But unlike snooty Hooky who always dreamed of rubbing elbows with the snobby west coast elitists, I had no desire whatsoever to join the PAC and am glad it fell through.
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OAM is pretty well-positioned...
...which might not be surprising since I think he was probably thinking about this a long way ahead of a lot of the other participants.
I am.
But I also had no idea who anyone would pick, how many people would do it, and I went last on purpose. We didn't even snake draft to make it fair.
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jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
the barn
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@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567) next
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Looking out into the future here...
Does CO border AZ? Does UT border NM?
Figure we need a ruling on this before teams get there...
I'm leaning no and no. But majority rules.
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(https://i.imgur.com/DSsBlME.jpeg)
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the barn
jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
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Does Illinois border Michigan?
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Does Illinois border Michigan?
Yes, through The Lake.
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North Carolina
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NC State
@OrangeAfroMan's up
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Oklahoma!
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567) next
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Nebraska
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North Carolina
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North Carolina
again?
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Nebraska
that'll open things up for you
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North Carolina
You already picked the Fighting Jordans. Pick again.
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I meant to take Clemson.
So, Clemson.
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Update: @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) is up
jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
North Carolina
Clemson
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
Oklahoma
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South Carolina
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I meant to take Clemson.
So, Clemson.
That was a bold move, taking the same school twice. I salute you.
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That was a bold move, taking the same school twice. I salute you.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUya2lsN2l3MHI1OWVoMGg1Yzc5NTBpOW03MHFqM3N4cmJ5cDIwdndlaCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/4jQCh6JTVxcNa/200.gif)
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Update: @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) is up
jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
North Carolina
Clemson
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
South Carolina
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
Oklahoma
Colorado
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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Mizzou
jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
North Carolina
Clemson
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
South Carolina
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
Oklahoma
Colorado
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IMHO Badge's next pick will be pivotal...
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IMHO Badge's next pick will be pivotal...
You couldda been doing it with us....
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Missouri also borders a shittonne of states.
(https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.cucbCvuJ44JIFK1J_5vjVQHaFL?r=0&rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain&o=7&rm=3)
The one deemed unworthy of a label is Nebraska.
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Miami (FL)
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Penn St.
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jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
North Carolina
Clemson
Miami, FL
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
South Carolina
Penn St.
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
Oklahoma
Colorado
updated @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) is on the clock.
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Stopping at 10?
I only want a 10-team conference.
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you can stop whenever you like
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Not my game, so I'm up for whatever (or stopping when I feel like I'm done).
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10 means only 40 'power' conference schools.
I figured since it's only 4, we'd go to more, like it is now. We don't have to, but that's just what I was figuring.
Or we could go until all 4 of us passes our turn. Idk.
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jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
North Carolina
Clemson
Miami, FL
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
South Carolina
Penn St.
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
Oklahoma
Colorado
Florida State
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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Arkansas
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@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) picked FSU?
That had to sting a little, huh? :57:
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@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) picked FSU?
That had to sting a little, huh? :57:
Was gonna say the same thing. Must've been some choking down the vomit on that one.
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) you're up
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Virginia
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Lul'ville
@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) is up
Updated map:
(https://i.imgur.com/CABpnzB.jpeg)
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10 means only 40 'power' conference schools.
I figured since it's only 4, we'd go to more, like it is now. We don't have to, but that's just what I was figuring.
Or we could go until all 4 of us passes our turn. Idk.
maybe I should have jumped in.
a 24-team conference with 2 divisions with 11 conference games!
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@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) picked FSU?
That had to sting a little, huh? :57:
I wanted either FSU or Miami, whichever badge didn't pick. It's fine, it was one or the other. Just had to get into FL.
Not sure which I'd have picked if I could have taken either. Is one much 'better' than the other?
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Texas A&M
Map stays the same.
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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I wanted either FSU or Miami, whichever badge didn't pick. It's fine, it was one or the other. Just had to get into FL.
Not sure which I'd have picked if I could have taken either. Is one much 'better' than the other?
I just know FSU is one of your rivals, so it didn't matter whether one was better...
Texas A&M
Map stays the same.
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
I'm surprised nobody blocked off Missouri to wall off the South, and you particularly didn't block off Arkansas, to insulate you from Texas attacks...
Just my $0.02.
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I got Texas and A&M, the rest of TX is just gristle.
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Illinois
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jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
North Carolina
Clemson
Miami, FL
Virginia
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
South Carolina
Penn St.
Louisville
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
Oklahoma
Colorado
Florida State
Texas A&M
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@OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) picked FSU?
That had to sting a little, huh? :57:
But yes, it's gross.
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Maryland
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Feeling patriotic.
Gimme Army.
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I wanted either FSU or Miami, whichever badge didn't pick. It's fine, it was one or the other. Just had to get into FL.
Not sure which I'd have picked if I could have taken either. Is one much 'better' than the other?
I wanted fMiami (more) or FSU (less).
Dade/Broward/Palm Beach >>> Panhandle for recruiting.
I hate fMiami, by the way.
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I wanted fMiami (more) or FSU (less).
Dade/Broward/Palm Beach >>> Panhandle for recruiting.
I hate fMiami, by the way.
Thought I may sneak TAM away, but OAM shut the door on me. Oh well....the dregs it is.
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This has been fun to watch, but man, it sucks for USC, Oregon, and Washington, who have three excellent programs that no one here loves. To be fully redundant, it's almost as if you could put USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, and Washington State into one pretty good conference. Add in Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, Nevada, Utah, BYU, Colorado, and Colorado State, and you could fill out a contiguous super conference pretty well.
Who woulda thunk it. Or leave out Nevada, and go around to Kansas and K-State.
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it's almost as if you could put USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, and Washington State into one pretty good conference.
That's ridiculous, would never work at all.....
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Thought I may sneak TAM away, but OAM shut the door on me. Oh well....the dregs it is.
You gonna make a pick?
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You gonna make a pick?
Not my turn. OAM is up.
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Feeling patriotic.
Gimme Army.
At the very least, you can nuke the rest of the conferences.
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Not my turn. OAM is up.
Screw that guy.
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At the very least, you can nuke the rest of the conferences.
You said it yourself, no strategy talk!! :96:
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Utah
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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Kentucky
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Pittsburgh
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@MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) batter up!
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@MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) batter up!
This comes to a screeching halt on weekends (when MDT doesn't post).
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Boston College
I appreciate OAM keeping up the running list.
Here's the most current map, if I haven't missed something.
(https://i.imgur.com/KEPPauY.jpeg)
It's hard to tell on this preview, but atm the states of PA, VA, NC, and SC look like a flat aqua color in this screen capture. They are really a cross-hatch of Badger's green and my blue. The cross-hatch is more obvious on the actual graphic, but it may not be translating here very well.
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Maybe a brighter green for Badge would help
(https://i.imgur.com/QXSFN7h.jpeg)
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Time to start naming these.
OAM is the commissioner of the Gulfwest Conference. Or maybe the Manifest Destiny Conference. Or the Bayou To Boulder Conference. Crawfish to Canyons?
jgvol is the commissioner of the Central-ish Conference. The Great Lakes & Otherwise Conference? The Sort Of Midwest Conference?
I'm the commissioner of the Appalachian Rustbelt Conference. The Steel & Tobacco Conference?
Badger is the commissioner of the Gators To Gettysburg Conference. The Grits & Granite Conference?
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Time to start naming these.
OAM is the commissioner of the Gulfwest Conference. Or maybe the Manifest Destiny Conference. Or the Bayou To Boulder Conference. Crawfish to Canyons?
jgvol is the commissioner of the Central-ish Conference. The Great Lakes & Otherwise Conference? The Sort Of Midwest Conference?
I'm the commissioner of the Appalachian Rustbelt Conference. The Steel & Tobacco Conference?
Badger is the commissioner of the Gators To Gettysburg Conference. The Grits & Granite Conference?
Wait until he adds Arizona, USC, Oregon and Washington. Coast to Coast conference?
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Time to start naming these.
OAM is the commissioner of the Gulfwest Conference. Or maybe the Manifest Destiny Conference. Or the Bayou To Boulder Conference. Crawfish to Canyons?
jgvol is the commissioner of the Central-ish Conference. The Great Lakes & Otherwise Conference? The Sort Of Midwest Conference?
I'm the commissioner of the Appalachian Rustbelt Conference. The Steel & Tobacco Conference?
Badger is the commissioner of the Gators To Gettysburg Conference. The Grits & Granite Conference?
Mine will be called the Heartland Athletic Conference. HAC
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Fro's conference logo:
(https://i.imgur.com/9b3ryiU.png)
(Who remembers?)
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Mine will just be the Big Ten, right? Regionality means nothing.
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jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois
Kentucky
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
North Carolina
Clemson
Miami, FL
Virginia
Maryland
Pitt
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
South Carolina
Penn St.
Louisville
Army
Boston College
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
Oklahoma
Colorado
Florida State
Texas A&M
Utah
Arizona State
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@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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Kansas St.
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Georgia Tech.
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I've got ten and I'm stopping there. Back to OAM.
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I'm stopping at 11.
(https://i.imgur.com/cKADCUX.png)
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Mine will just be the Big Ten, right? Regionality means nothing.
Committee on Institutional Cooperation
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Committee on Institutional Cooperation
Oklahoma, Ole Miss and Auburn are gonna cooperate... Sure...
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I think we should stop and make a West Coast conference of those remaining here.
OAM has Utah, Colorado and ASU locked up. Only one of us can realistically get to the West Coast.
Arizona
USC
UCLA
UC
SU
fUO
OrSU
uw
WSU
BYU
Call it a conference and we're done?
Thoughts?
We all still have room too.
Lots of AAU members are still available, by the way. Some of which I'd love to have on board, with me or elsewhere.
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I think we should stop and make a West Coast conference of those remaining here.
Thoughts?
Problem there is since you and jgvol went to 11 (insert Spinal Tap reference), OAM should get the chance to take 11 if he wants, and he has the option to grab any of the California schools. Since he may have been picking with the intention of being able to grab USC or something, wouldn't seem fair to quit now.
But after that, if we're agreed to be done, we can use your idea of the remaining schools.
Anyway, if he takes a SoCal school, it winds up being the Full South conference. Might as well grab one of them and make it happen.
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Pick until you don't want to pick anymore.
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USC, and I'm not stopping. There's still value to add to my conference.
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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Texas Tech
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@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) you can pick or skip
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I'll think about it.
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(https://i.imgur.com/jIWoAdJ.jpeg)
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I do have a soft spot for Jersey.
Ron Dayne, Anthony Davis, Corey Clement, Jonathan Taylor. All RB's from New Jersey. Even Jalen Berger, but he turned out to be kind of a dud.
Do I really want to take the State University of New Jersey?
Lots of talent comes out of that state.
I'll think about it.
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Still thinking.
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Are you scratching your soft spot or not?
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I do have a soft spot for Jersey.
Ron Dayne, Anthony Davis, Corey Clement, Jonathan Taylor. All RB's from New Jersey. Even Jalen Berger, but he turned out to be kind of a dud.
Do I really want to take the State University of New Jersey?
Lots of talent comes out of that state.
I'll think about it.
Mike Rozier (Camden): The iconic I-back won the 1983 Heisman Trophy and starred in one of the most prolific rushing eras in college football history.
Rich Glover (Jersey City): A dominant middle guard, he won the Outland Trophy and Lombardi Award in 1972 and played a massive role in Nebraska's 1971 national championship.
Irving Fryar (Mount Holly): A dynamic wingback who earned All-American honors in 1983 before being selected as the number-one overall pick in the 1984 NFL Draft.
Jason & Christian Peter (Locust):: Tough-as-nails defensive linemen who were key components of the dominant 1997 undefeated national championship defense.
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That does nothing for my soft spot for excellent Wisconsin running backs from New Jersey.
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lotta talent
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I love Nashville.
I'm taking Vanderbilt.
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Knowshon was also from NJ and a pretty decent RB.
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I'm rather shocked that Northwestern is still on the table, and Minnesota and Purdue.
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you are???
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Yeah, but my conference is about more than just football.
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Oregon
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois
Kentucky
Kansas State
Texas Tech
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
North Carolina
Clemson
Miami, FL
Virginia
Maryland
Pitt
Georgia Tech
Vanderbilt
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
South Carolina
Penn St.
Louisville
Army
Boston College
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
Oklahoma
Colorado
Florida State
Texas A&M
Utah
Arizona State
USC
Oregon
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Oklahoma St.
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I think I have the electoral map win....
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Now that I'm done and the rest of you are bloating your conferences to the point the Big Ten is blushing, I can reveal my Evil Plan.
You all have some very impressive teams.
Lots of powerhouses.
I have a few schools with decent name recognition, and crown jewels of Ohio State and Penn State.
What you all didn't know, is in the hypothetical world we've built.......
We're going back to the BCS.
Suckers.
While your conferences cannibalize each other every year and each team keeps knocking every other team out of contention, Ohio State will play a slate of games against teams that have no chance against them--kind of like Notre Dame--yet they are teams with just enough brand awareness to feel like a good slate, and it will keep my Buckeyes highly ranked. For the hard-to-impress voters and computers, Penn St. will provide the boost needed, and may be Ohio State's only real challenge each year. But let's face it.......PSU ain't beating OSU.
I'm going to the BCSCG. Every. Single. Year.
Ohio State may not win every year, but they'll be there, #1 ranking in tow.
The rest of you will be sporting 2 and 3 loss teams, duking it out for the second slot.
See you there.
It's about to be a golden age for medina, Brutus, HB, et al.
Go Buckeyes!
Now you know my Evil Plan, albeit too late. MUAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAA!!!!! *that's an evil laugh*
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Now I know why MDT didn't take Purdue.
He's scared they'll beat OSU too often and play the Spoilermakers.
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Rutgers.
NJ produces great players, and they rarely stay home.
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so, you're gonna find a way to get them to stay home or, more likely, have those players go to other programs in the conference and they can play at home once and a while?
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My conference partially is built on recruiting bases.
Honestly, the only school I really needed for that was Miami.
It is also built on AAU membership, and I'm hopeful that my collection of AAU members will lift Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee into that premier level.
I really wanted Kentucky so I could get to Northwestern, but JG just beat me to it.
I wasn't gonna go through Ohio (Cincy) and Indiana (Purdue) to get there, although I'd be very happy to have Purdue in the fold.
The Chicago area produces some great players, which NU delivers for whoever lands them.
(I think I just made JG's next pick)
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Warshington, with an 'r'
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@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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Now that I'm done and the rest of you are bloating your conferences to the point the Big Ten is blushing, I can reveal my Evil Plan.
You all have some very impressive teams.
Lots of powerhouses.
I have a few schools with decent name recognition, and crown jewels of Ohio State and Penn State.
What you all didn't know, is in the hypothetical world we've built.......
We're going back to the BCS.
We're going back further than that......the mythical national championship!! But with a +1 as necessary. Because it's doable.
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I like it!!!
:72:
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Miss St
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jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois
Kentucky
Kansas State
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
Mississippi State
847
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Alabama
North Carolina
Clemson
Miami, FL
Virginia
Maryland
Pitt
Georgia Tech
Vanderbilt
Rutgers
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
South Carolina
Penn St.
Louisville
Army
Boston College
OAM
Texas
LSU
Ole Miss
Auburn
Oklahoma
Colorado
Florida State
Texas A&M
Utah
Arizona State
USC
Oregon
Warshington
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Dook.
I'm done.
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UCLA
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UCLA
(https://i.imgur.com/YrQ1Qjy.png)
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They'll be part of a real conference here.
Plus, as MDT alluded to, I need some chum for my big-boy programs.
I'm going to 16, with 4 pods of 4, so everyone can play everyone else every 2 years, and none of the silly UGA-A&M nonsense of once in 16 years.
There are prudent ways to adjust with the changing times, but like Congress, the college football decision-makers are ancient dolts who are whores to an extra dollar.
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UCLA is part of a "real" conference right now.
They don't give a shit about football unless they are winning. Same goes for SC (to a lesser degree).
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I'm having two divisions of 7, and we're playing 10 conference games and a CCG in Atlanta. No permanent crossovers.
Alabama (Central Time)
Tennessee
Dook
North Carolina
Virginia
Clemson
Vanderbilt (Central Time)
Florida
Georgia
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Georgia Tech
Miami
Rutgers
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You've got a pretty good basketball conference there, sir.
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Great academics mixed in too.
As do you, with some of your selections.
I got the two Florida AAU schools, which is what I wanted.
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I'm having two divisions of 7, and we're playing 10 conference games and a CCG in Atlanta. No permanent crossovers.
Alabama (Central Time)
Tennessee
Florida
Georgia
Oops, four of your teams just defected cuz they ain't putting up with that chit. Better rethink.
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I own them.
They will do as I command.
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(https://i.imgur.com/YrQ1Qjy.png)
(https://www.detroitnews.com/gcdn/-mm-/e3fe8ae20a64d5fd174069b8b7e48b65a22b21df/c=0-72-2994-1764/local/-/media/DetroitNews/DetroitNews/2014/09/21/1411345728002-455817554.jpg?width=700&height=396&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
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Purdue
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Arizona
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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Covid year?
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Keep in mind, as with any draft, we can drop teams for others to sign, or not sign, in free agency.
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Kansas
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If there were a conference of P4 teams selected solely based on high academics (or low), I'd guess one would start with Stanford ... it wouldn't be contiguous, maybe Duke comes next, I don't know which "ranking" would be most reliable (maybe none).
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I'd start with Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Chicago, Purdue, Minnesota and Illinois.
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I might go Stanford, Duke, UCalB, Vandy, GaTech, Purdue, Michigan, Virginia, ...but I really have little data beyond "rankings" ....
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Covid year?
2014 blowout loss to the Utes, with a long weather delay late.
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no wonder they like the coach
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no wonder they like the coach
Whittingham beat RichRod, Hoke and Harbaugh
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BYU
@jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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OAM Conf
West: Washington, Oregon, USC, UCLA
Desert: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU
Central: Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
East: LSU, Ole Miss, Auburn, Florida St
Each team plays the 3 in their division and 2 from each other division (1 home and away), then switches to the other pair every other year.
Example:
Texas' schedule (4 years):
Year 1: Colorado, @ A&M, vs OU, LSU, @ Auburn, Arizona, @ Utah, Washington, @ USC
Year 2: @Colorado, A&M, vs OU, @ Ole Miss, FSU, @ ASU, BYU, @ Oregon, UCLA
Year 3: Colorado, @ A&M, vs OU, @ LSU, Auburn, @ Arizona, Utah, @ Washington, USC
Year 4: @Colorado, A&M, vs OU, Ole MIss, @ FSU, ASU, @ BYU, Oregon, @UCLA
They play all 15 other teams every 2 years, and play home/away vs all 15 teams every 4 years.
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Minnesota
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jgvol
Notre Dame
Michigan
Michigan St.
Wisconsin
Iowa
Nebraska
Missouri
Arkansas
Illinois
Kentucky
Kansas State
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
Mississippi State
Purdue
Kansas
Minnesota
847
Alabama
Tennessee
Duke
UNC
Virginia
Clempson
Vandy
Florida
Georgia
Maryland
Pitt
GA Tech
Miami
Rutgers
MDT
Ohio St.
West Virginia
Indiana
VA Tech
NC State
South Carolina
Penn St.
Louisville
Army
Boston College
OAM
FSU
Auburn
Ole Miss
LSU
Texas
Texas A&M
OU
Colorado
BYU
Utah
Arizona
Arizona St
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
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all yours, @jgvol (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1567)
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TCU
SMU
Northwestern
Done.
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good of youse to finish before the season started
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(https://i.imgur.com/7ZpAhxg.png)
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9 game conference schedule in each division and then a championship game ?
or just send the 2 champs to the playoff?
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It's really two conferences in that scenario.
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Ed Zachery - as it should be
one commish - one TV contract - 2 conferences
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Heartland Athletic Conference news:
University of Michigan was disciplined recently by commissioner jgvol for complaining about their conference slate in addition to their annual, now out-of-conference season finale against Ohio State. He noted that prior to Florida and FSU being drafted into the same conference, the Gators played the Seminoles without complaining about having to also play UGA, LSU, etc. in conference.
Ohio State could not be reached for comment*, but Appalachian Rustbelt commissioner MDT was quoted as telling Michigan to "quit being sissies."
* actually, tOSU was reached for comment, but we can't print what they said.
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I actually may drop a few teams. They will be available as free agents, if I do it.
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You can't be this challenged by decision-making your normal life, right?
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You can't be this challenged by decision-making your normal life, right?
Well of course...
...but this is important!
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Well of course...
...but this is important!
Exactly.
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Dook and Rutgers:
(https://i.imgur.com/fl46Q2g.png)
Alabama
Tennessee
Duke
UNC
Virginia
Clempson
Vandy
Florida
Georgia
Maryland
Pitt
GA Tech
Miami
Rutgers
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(https://i.imgur.com/4LDG6E4.jpeg)
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Every school will play 13 games, plus a CCG if necessary.
My conference is playing 10 games - 5 within the division and 5 against the other.
Need 3 OOC games.
We have no interest in playing West of the Great Plaines.