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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: betarhoalphadelta on June 01, 2026, 01:39:10 PM
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Ok... So this is stuff that doesn't elevate in your life to the level of "Grumpy Old Man"...
Just the things that you see other people do and you get annoyed. Things on the level of seeing people type "should of" on the internet instead of "should have".
For me...
People who quote times as EST or PST when we're on daylight savings time. They clearly don't know what the "S" means and just do it because they see other people use it. (Note: I rarely see anyone use EDT/PDT incorrectly--anyone who uses those know what the character means.)
Why is it a pet peeve? Because not only is it incorrect, it's unnecessary! You could easily use just ET or PT and not actually reference standard or daylight time. The only states in the US that don't observe DST are Arizona and Hawaii, and I'm sure people in those states are used to the fact that they need to pay attention to this. For the rest of us, we're all on a level playing field.
So it actually takes people more effort to be wrong than to be simple and correct by omitting the character.
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this topic should be worth at least 5,000,000,000,000 pages
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And that's probably just from Badge...
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When folks are going to move into the dedicated left-turn/center lane, but begin slowing down significantly in the normal lane, impeding traffic behind them. Just get over into the center lane and then begin slowing down.
I mean, if there are already vehicles or some other obstruction in the center lane, I get it. But when it's completely clear for miles and miles?
Definite pet peeve territory.
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And that's probably just from Badge...
I do have a lot of them. I'll give you that.
Here's one.
People (including my wife) eating something straight out of a bag that is supposed to be communal.
Like, did you wash your hands after you took that shit? After you pet the f'ing dog (more on dogs later)? After you burped your baby (more on babies later)? After you picked up that penny (that God they are being phased out)?
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When folks are going to move into the dedicated left-turn/center lane, but begin slowing down significantly in the normal lane, impeding traffic behind them. Just get over into the center lane and then begin slowing down.
I mean, if there are already vehicles or some other obstruction in the center lane, I get it. But when it's completely clear for miles and miles?
Definite pet peeve territory.
Don't forget the asshole who passes you, only to make a right turn in 100 feet.
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Things on the level of seeing people type "should of" on the internet instead of "should have".
Seeing people place periods outside of quotation marks. :d030:
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Seeing people place periods outside of quotation marks. :d030:
Now I need to check myself on this one.
I thought that @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) 's usage was correct.
My understanding is:
- The punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks if it belongs with the quote and
- The punctuation belongs outside the quotation marks if it belongs with the combined quoted and non-quoted thought.
So in this example ( @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) 's OP starting this thread) the quote "should have" is NOT a complete sentence and thus shouldn't have it's own punctuation. Instead, the period at the end of the full sentence belongs to the full sentence and does NOT belong inside the quotation marks.
Am I wrong on this?
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That's the rule for question marks and exclamation points.
Periods and commas always go inside the quotation marks.
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That's the rule for question marks and exclamation points.
Periods and commas always go inside the quotation marks.
Ok, so if someone incorrectly used "should of" instead of "should have" my response could be:
- Shouldn't he have used "should have"? Or
- He should have used "should have." Or
- I hate when people use "should of"!
Do I have that right?
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Correct.
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Real pet peeve: people who don’t use the center turning lanes and instead wait to be able to make the full turn and slow things down. They give you the center lane so it a two-step process. And that makes it go faster.
The PST thing is funny to me. If only because ET and PT are a movie and a way to recover from injuries. like I understand, it’s wrong, but it just communicate it for some reason
I think there was a time that I was slightly annoyed at people abusing the emotional support thing to take dogs on planes, but then I realized I truly don’t give a shit about what almost any of my fellow passengers are doing. Not to bring up the bad times, but I remember chuckling at an older gentleman in his Navy veteran hat who had cut open the mask he was required to wear.
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Seeing people place periods outside of quotation marks. :d030:
That's fair.
However, this was not done out of ignorance. There are certain grammatical rules that I find stupid, and choose to violate them. This would be one.
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That's fair.
However, this was not done out of ignorance. There are certain grammatical rules that I find stupid, and choose to violate them. This would be one.
I'm with you on that, and I believe we are smarter than those who make the rules.
So, F them.
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That's fair.
However, this was not done out of ignorance. There are certain grammatical rules that I find stupid, and choose to violate them. This would be one.
I'm with you on that, and I believe we are smarter than those who make the rules.
So, F them.
Heresy. You advocate for anarchy!
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The PST thing is funny to me. If only because ET and PT are a movie and a way to recover from injuries. like I understand, it’s wrong, but it just communicate it for some reason
Well, in context it doesn't cause confusion to leave the S or D out...
I.e. if I'm scheduling a meeting and I tell someone it's scheduled for June 2, 9:30 AM PT. They know what that means. I don't need to specify it's on daylight time because that's implied when they know the date of the meeting. Nationally, we all (except AZ/HI) make the transition based on the calendar. So you know if it's a January meeting it's standard time, and if it's a June meeting it's daylight savings time.
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Heresy. You advocate for anarchy!
Don't threaten me with a good time!
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Ok... So this is stuff that doesn't elevate in your life to the level of "Grumpy Old Man"...
Just the things that you see other people do and you get annoyed. Things on the level of seeing people type "should of" on the internet instead of "should have".
For me...
People who quote times as EST or PST when we're on daylight savings time. They clearly don't know what the "S" means and just do it because they see other people use it. (Note: I rarely see anyone use EDT/PDT incorrectly--anyone who uses those know what the character means.)
Why is it a pet peeve? Because not only is it incorrect, it's unnecessary! You could easily use just ET or PT and not actually reference standard or daylight time. The only states in the US that don't observe DST are Arizona and Hawaii, and I'm sure people in those states are used to the fact that they need to pay attention to this. For the rest of us, we're all on a level playing field.
So it actually takes people more effort to be wrong than to be simple and correct by omitting the character.
How weird....I just learned about that earlier this morning. I had to sign up for a seminar and it listed CDT time. I don't think I've used them incorrectly--that I know of--but I realized sometimes I see CST and sometimes CDT, and I wondered what's the difference. You're right, it's totally unnecessary.
As far as a pet peeve.....people writing/saying "supposably" when they mean "supposedly" comes to mind. I see/hear that a lot and it irks me. I think we covered "irregardless" in another thread.
Also, this website is moving really slow since I logged in yesterday for the first time in a week. Slow, glitchy websites are a pet peeve. How can I effectively goof off at work if cfb51 is moving slow? Is that happening for anyone else, or just me?
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Also, this website is moving really slow since I logged in yesterday for the first time in a week. Slow, glitchy websites are a pet peeve. How can I effectively goof off at work if cfb51 is moving slow? Is that happening for anyone else, or just me?
Me as well.
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We are under attack by 50K bots right now.
We a lucky to have @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) working on it.
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I like being able to pet dogs in grocery stores and restaurants. I know most of them aren't really service animals, that's a scam often as not. I'll see 4-5 dogs at our Kroger and I pet them all, usually pulling off gobs of fur. My wife is not so much a fan as I.
Same at restaurants.
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We are under attack by 50K bots right now.
We a lucky to have @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) working on it.
Bots and bot attacks are probably more of a Grumpy thing for me than a pet peeve.
One of the SAS products I use to implement our projects at work has recently been discovered by spam-bots. There's a setting that can be tweaked to help that, but it's not universal. So currently we're having to go through every workflow across campus we've built or have access to, and enable it.
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folks that ride bicycles with the seat much too low
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Windshield washing at gas stations / truck stops
Squeegee and Sponge Scrubbers worn out or missing
water in the bucket missing, filthy, stinky, or too much soap
paper towels missing
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Seeing people place periods outside of quotation marks. :d030:
"You're absolutely right BB"!!!
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So... Coworker sent out an email (multiple people, including one of our distributors) asking if I was available on Monday 7/20 at 11:30 AM PST for disty sales training..
I didn't poke a sharp stick in their eye. I just replied... "I'm good for Monday 11:30 AM PDT."
The distributor didn't pick up on this and said "Great, we're confirmed for Monday 11:30 AM PST!"
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lighten up Francis
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So... Coworker sent out an email (multiple people, including one of our distributors) asking if I was available on Monday 7/20 at 11:30 AM PST for disty sales training..
I didn't poke a sharp stick in their eye. I just replied... "I'm good for Monday 11:30 AM PDT."
The distributor didn't pick up on this and said "Great, we're confirmed for Monday 11:30 AM PST!"
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For some of us is makes a difference. I am on MST all year never on MDT
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For some of us is makes a difference. I am on MST all year never on MDT
Yes, which is why it's important for someone to get it right.
If someone in Colorado is arranging a phone call with you in Arizona, and they mistakenly use MST while they're on MDT in their planning because they don't know the difference, that phone call will occur an hour off expectation for at least one of you...
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As if anyone in Colorado is going to call someone in Arizona. :D
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it's a clock
not complex
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First day of work at school on the Navajo Rez.
No problem, I'd worked in Phoenix the year before, no time changing. No big deal.
Get up, going in 45 min early, bright-eye and bushy-tailed.
15 minutes late.
Fuck.
Through all the process of interviewing, getting hired, signing everything, getting housing, etc.....not one word about the reservation having daylight savings time.
And then, years later, I learn the Hopi reservation, which is entirely inside of the Navajo rez....does not have it!
Madness, I tell you.
And so with all of that, for half the year, it doesn't even matter!
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One of the things we needed to have replaced by our landlord a while back was our dishwasher. It's nicer, and instead of being white, it's stainless/black and with the replaced oven and microwave (and our stainless fridge and stainless/black wine fridge), everything is cohesive.
But...
The previous dishwasher had a physical latch to lock it closed. So everyone in the house knew whether the dishwasher was clean or dirty. If the latch was locked, it meant the dishwasher had been run.
The new one doesn't have this. It has a little light that comes on after it's clean that stays on so you know that it has been run and it's clean.
Well, nobody in the house [except me] seemed to understand what that light meant. So nobody in the house [except me] knew if it was clean.
So my wife decided to get a magnet. On one side of the magnet it says "Clean" on one side, and "Dirty" on the other (the two sides being contrasting colors to make it even more obvious).
Easy, right? Now everyone always knows if it's clean or dirty!
Err, no. It seems that I'm the only one that's diligent enough to remember to flip the magnet each time. Or even to look at it... My wife put a dirty coffee mug in this morning despite the fact that the little blue light AND the big white magnet were both signifying that the dishwasher was clean.
Annoying. We have two different mechanisms to help people figure this out, and yet we still have this issue.
I know, I know... It's a little thing. But that's why it's in this thread.
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One of the things we needed to have replaced by our landlord a while back was our dishwasher. It's nicer, and instead of being white, it's stainless/black and with the replaced oven and microwave (and our stainless fridge and stainless/black wine fridge), everything is cohesive.
But...
The previous dishwasher had a physical latch to lock it closed. So everyone in the house knew whether the dishwasher was clean or dirty. If the latch was locked, it meant the dishwasher had been run.
The new one doesn't have this. It has a little light that comes on after it's clean that stays on so you know that it has been run and it's clean.
Well, nobody in the house [except me] seemed to understand what that light meant. So nobody in the house [except me] knew if it was clean.
So my wife decided to get a magnet. On one side of the magnet it says "Clean" on one side, and "Dirty" on the other (the two sides being contrasting colors to make it even more obvious).
Easy, right? Now everyone always knows if it's clean or dirty!
Err, no. It seems that I'm the only one that's diligent enough to remember to flip the magnet each time. Or even to look at it... My wife put a dirty coffee mug in this morning despite the fact that the little blue light AND the big white magnet were both signifying that the dishwasher was clean.
Annoying. We have two different mechanisms to help people figure this out, and yet we still have this issue.
I know, I know... It's a little thing. But that's why it's in this thread.
I disagree with that last sentence. That is effing infuriating.
Like, I’m not good at much, but I’m good at asking the other person in my house “clean right?” (she also got a slider, and now it’s easy.)
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Err, no. It seems that I'm the only one that's diligent enough to remember to flip the magnet each time. Or even to look at it... My wife put a dirty coffee mug in this morning despite the fact that the little blue light AND the big white magnet were both signifying that the dishwasher was clean.
Annoying. We have two different mechanisms to help people figure this out, and yet we still have this issue.
I know, I know... It's a little thing. But that's why it's in this thread.
well don't forget to flip the magnet,what are they herding cats in cali?
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First day of work at school on the Navajo Rez.
No problem, I'd worked in Phoenix the year before, no time changing. No big deal.
Get up, going in 45 min early, bright-eye and bushy-tailed.
15 minutes late.
Fuck.
Through all the process of interviewing, getting hired, signing everything, getting housing, etc.....not one word about the reservation having daylight savings time.
And then, years later, I learn the Hopi reservation, which is entirely inside of the Navajo rez....does not have it!
Madness, I tell you.
And so with all of that, for half the year, it doesn't even matter!
What was your favorite part of the Hopi reservation?
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well don't forget to flip the magnet,what are they herding cats in cali?
I just forgot that 10 minutes ago. Damn.
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One of the things we needed to have replaced by our landlord a while back was our dishwasher. It's nicer, and instead of being white, it's stainless/black and with the replaced oven and microwave (and our stainless fridge and stainless/black wine fridge), everything is cohesive.
But...
The previous dishwasher had a physical latch to lock it closed. So everyone in the house knew whether the dishwasher was clean or dirty. If the latch was locked, it meant the dishwasher had been run.
The new one doesn't have this. It has a little light that comes on after it's clean that stays on so you know that it has been run and it's clean.
Well, nobody in the house [except me] seemed to understand what that light meant. So nobody in the house [except me] knew if it was clean.
So my wife decided to get a magnet. On one side of the magnet it says "Clean" on one side, and "Dirty" on the other (the two sides being contrasting colors to make it even more obvious).
Easy, right? Now everyone always knows if it's clean or dirty!
Err, no. It seems that I'm the only one that's diligent enough to remember to flip the magnet each time. Or even to look at it... My wife put a dirty coffee mug in this morning despite the fact that the little blue light AND the big white magnet were both signifying that the dishwasher was clean.
Annoying. We have two different mechanisms to help people figure this out, and yet we still have this issue.
I know, I know... It's a little thing. But that's why it's in this thread.
Ours also has a little green light to signify the dishes are clean. In our case, it's even way more obvious because we always have a lot of Tupperware containers in there, and for whatever reason, they don't dry out like the other dishes in the drying cycle. They retain water in their crevices, but also, they just have water beads all over their flat surfaces, even though the dishes and the silverware dry nicely. It's really obvious.....if the Tupperware is drowning in water, everything is clean. If not, it hasn't run yet.
Still, my engineering grad stepson who works as an engineer, somehow, leaves his dishes in the sink constantly, citing that he didn't know if they were clean or not. Hint: if everything is bone dry and the dishwasher is half full.....we didn't run it.
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The dishwasher pet peeve is a good one.
Nothing chaps my hide more than dirty dishes left in the sink, however.
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living alone has its perks
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It really irks me when drivers zoom beside me, engine gunning, like I'm some grandpa who's not going 8-10 mph over the speed limit, and then proceed to change lanes to get in front of me and then slow down a good 10 mph slower than I was driving. Idiots.
It irks me worse when they do it by passing me on a one-lane highway.
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Oh I just thought of a verbal pet peeve.
When folks say, "I seen it" instead of "I saw it."
Ugh.
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brutal - I cringe
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What was your favorite part of the Hopi reservation?
Didn't really have a favorite part, it's tiny and I just drove through it, going to or returning from Flagstaff.
There was a little place with a restaurant and some shops that was a good bathroom stop between Flagstaff and where I lived on the Navajo Rez.
I forget what it's called. Been 10 years since I moved away.
A tourist bus was stopped there one time and a guy asked me what time it was...it depended on the month if it was the time I had or an hour behind. And very much depended where he was going next whether it changed or not. Depending on the direction, it could change in 15 min.
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Navajos tend not to pronounce the T at the ends of words that end in CT.
district, project, respect, etc.....they say distric, projec, respec,...
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Navajos tend not to pronounce the T at the ends of words that end in CT.
district, project, respect, etc.....they say distric, projec, respec,...
Cuba, NM is the oddest town I've ever passed through in my life. (close to Navajo Res)
Looking forward to never going back.
Stayed the night in Farmington, NM. Not too bad. Hotels high though.
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The dishwasher pet peeve is a good one.
Nothing chaps my hide more than dirty dishes left in the sink, however.
My Mrs. has a much higher tolerance for that. I had a lot of Child in Need of Care cases where kids were removed from homes, filed for clients that had filthy ass houses in general and in particular, the kitchen and food.
And she NEVER flips the magnet sign to indicate Dirty/Clean!
I'll stop there. The testosterone pellets she's getting offset all that stuff.
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My Mrs. has a much higher tolerance for that. I had a lot of Child in Need of Care cases where kids were removed from homes, filed for clients that had filthy ass houses in general and in particular, the kitchen and food.
And she NEVER flips the magnet sign to indicate Dirty/Clean!
I'll stop there. The testosterone pellets she's getting offset all that stuff.
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When you go to war, then stop, then go back to war, then stop, then go back.......it's not the fucking hokey pokey.
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When you go to war, then stop, then go back to war, then stop, then go back.......it's not the fucking hokey pokey.
This is far more than a "pet peeve".
And it's political and inappropriate.
Please stop. Area 51 is available if you can't help yourself and feel compelled to talk about this stuff.
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It's a general pet peeve of mine. Regardless of president or party. It's incompetent.
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It's incompetent.
It's political.
Stop.
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It's a general pet peeve of mine. Regardless of president or party. It's incompetent.
look in your mirror
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I see a man who would not attack a country that didn't do anything directly against the US and had the power to halt 20% of the world's oil.
What do you see in your mirror?
See, now it's steered into "political." Because you led it there with your cheeky attempt at a diss.
We can discuss (or should be able to) prudent and imprudent decisions our gov't makes, regardless of party/individual, and not have that be "political." Because it isn't.
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What part of "stop" don't you get?
Speaking of pet peeves.....people who drop unauthorized political bombs in threads and then blame it on other people.
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Because the "stop" makes sense when it's party vs party.
I think as a certain % of this place finds it harder and harder to defend a certain someone, the quieter any and all governmental talk has to be.
Political talk is simpler and more civil when you don't feel compelled to defend the indefensible.
And saying an obvious poor decision was poor is not political.
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Because the "stop" makes sense when it's party vs party.
I think as a certain % of this place finds it harder and harder to defend a certain someone, the quieter any and all governmental talk has to be.
Political talk is simpler and more civil when you don't feel compelled to defend the indefensible.
And saying an obvious poor decision was poor is not political.
If you think I'm trying to keep this place apolitical because I would be forced to defend a specific person, perhaps you can look back to what I said about said person before the election. It's not about any specific party or politician.
It's that we, a bunch of reasonable and mature folks who talk about a wide range of topics, proved that when politics comes in, civility goes out. It coarsened the dialogue here, and it tended to spread like wildfire and infect everything else. We even *used* to allow policy-based discussion, but what we learned is that this was just the proverbial camel's nose in the tent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel's_nose)... We eventually loosened and loosened and loosened, and this became a politics board rather than a CFB (or cooking!) board.
So, no. Stop. If you want to discuss politics, head down to Area 51. They'll GLADLY oblige you.
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So, no. Stop. If you want to discuss politics, head down to Area 51. They'll GLADLY oblige you.
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Time for nuking some posts.
(When this happens, quite a pet peeve of mine)
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Overplayed songs on the radio...
I get it. They assume people are listening during drive-time which is often a 15-45 minute block, and then shutting it off. And they have to play the popular hits. So they're probably playing some songs nearly once per hour.
But when I was in Denver, it seemed like we had numerous 20-25 minute drives, and the same 3 songs were on every damn time.
The worst? The new Sublime song, Ensenada. Except it's not really new. They've been playing this song for months. And it kinda, well, sucks. It's a pretty stupid song that was maybe a little novel and humorous when it first hit, but it's not very good on its merits. And it just won't go away.
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People who complain about data centers...
...on the internet.
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When you're on the phone with your internet provider because you have an outage and the repeating hold message encourages you to go online to their website for help.
Fuck you.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Solid pet peeve. Could also put it on the grumpy thread.
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When you're on the phone with your internet provider because you have an outage and the repeating hold message encourages you to go online to their website for help.
Fuck you.
smart phone
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People who complain about data centers...
...on the internet.
People are stupid and I hate them.
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I don't understand why electric razors can't give me a good shave on my neck. They do great on my cheeks, chin, and mustache area. Under my jaw and on my neck is where they struggle. I can go over and over a spot, and it still leaves whiskers.
I thought it might be a quality thing, maybe the standard shaver you can get at Walmart is inferior, so I bought one on Amazon that had stellar reviews and was something like $230. Same result, other than it does do a bit better job up on the cheeks and such.
I look at reviews and I watch demo videos of guys reviewing them and doing live shaves to see how they do, and then give their thoughts. They don't seem to have this problem, even with the cheaper ones.
WTF is wrong with my lower chin and neck that electric razors leave me patchy? Half the time I have to go over it with a razor blade and sometimes I just don't bother and have to shave the old fashioned way. Which I hate.
Annoying.
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I don't understand why electric razors can't give me a good shave on my neck. They do great on my cheeks, chin, and mustache area. Under my jaw and on my neck is where they struggle. I can go over and over a spot, and it still leaves whiskers.
I thought it might be a quality thing, maybe the standard shaver you can get at Walmart is inferior, so I bought one on Amazon that had stellar reviews and was something like $230. Same result, other than it does do a bit better job up on the cheeks and such.
I look at reviews and I watch demo videos of guys reviewing them and doing live shaves to see how they do, and then give their thoughts. They don't seem to have this problem, even with the cheaper ones.
WTF is wrong with my lower chin and neck that electric razors leave me patchy? Half the time I have to go over it with a razor blade and sometimes I just don't bother and have to shave the old fashioned way. Which I hate.
Annoying.
True story.
But since the beard has been in place for about 5 years, I use a blade to trim around it about twice a week. Use the same blade for a couple of months to get the neck and cheeks. Did buy a rechargeable trimmer to keep the rest in shape every couple of weeks. Pretty low maintenance.
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I use Harry's and the neck is always the hardest to shave. It's weird and annoying.
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But since the beard has been in place for about 5 years, I use a blade to trim around it about twice a week. Use the same blade for a couple of months to get the neck and cheeks. Did buy a rechargeable trimmer to keep the rest in shape every couple of weeks. Pretty low maintenance.
I was happy with a beard and didn't intend to shave it, but then half the thing turned gray. I didn't mind the look of gray hair in the beard at all, I couldn't have cared less, but in my case, all the gray hairs turned wiry and curly and could no longer be made to look nice with a beard trimmer. No matter what I tried, it just looked unkempt. By the time point I could make it look good, it was trimmed so close that it was hardly a beard anymore. So I shaved it.
I see plenty of other dudes with gray in their beard, or full gray beards and they look all nice and tidy. That annoys me too.
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I have 2 electrics that do fine on my neck - takes a little more time than the cheeks, but...........
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I was happy with a beard and didn't intend to shave it, but then half the thing turned gray. I didn't mind the look of gray hair in the beard at all, I couldn't have cared less, but in my case, all the gray hairs turned wiry and curly and could no longer be made to look nice with a beard trimmer. No matter what I tried, it just looked unkempt. By the time point I could make it look good, it was trimmed so close that it was hardly a beard anymore. So I shaved it.
I see plenty of other dudes with gray in their beard, or full gray beards and they look all nice and tidy. That annoys me too.
Not much dark left in mine. Hair on the back of my head is wavy--I could never push past the curl-up to grow a proper mullet. But keeping the beard 1/4 to 1/2 inch does the trick. Profile pic is for realz, kind of at the longest I keep it. Tried to do the Jason Kelce thing for awhile, just looked like a hillbilly, which, was actually the thing for a minute.
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Not much dark left in mine. Hair on the back of my head is wavy--I could never push past the curl-up to grow a proper mullet. But keeping the beard 1/4 to 1/2 inch does the trick. Profile pic is for realz, kind of at the longest I keep it. Tried to do the Jason Kelce thing for awhile, just looked like a hillbilly, which, was actually the thing for a minute.
nobody's dumb enough to use a real pic
reminds me of Chuck Green
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nobody's dumb enough to use a real pic
reminds me of Chuck Green
Says the dude with all the empty glasses in front of him on the table awhile back.
We're among friends.
Well, mostly.
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nobody is interested in a poor dirt farmer from Iowa
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The city is putting bike lanes all over, at the expense of car lanes. I walked back along Tenth Street today from a hair cut, I saw one bike in traffic lanes, one bike on the sidewalk, and finally one in the bike lane. I don't get it. Tenth borders the park which has paved wide paths for bikes.
We drove the length of Juniper the other day, about two miles with bike lanes, the only bike was on the sidewalk. Deliver trucks were blocking one of the two remaining traffic lanes.
You can build it, but folks like their cars.
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Curious, have you studied up on urban traffic engineering? And have you listened in to the local agency decision making process?
You all know that I'm a cyclist, and although I wouldn't call myself much of an advocate, I do care a fair amount about traffic safety. It impacts cyclists in a more direct and visceral way on a daily basis.
The primary concern with street modifications tends to be throughput, with safety often a close second. Adding the bike lanes often has a negligible effect on throughput, with a strong increase for safety.
I don't know what's happening in and around Atlanta, but I know that in my neighborhood, people have lost their minds over a project that added a protected bike lane, narrowed a street from two lanes in each direction to one in each, plus a left-turn lane, and hardly touched street parking. The goal was (1) to increase protected bike paths in the city, and (2) reduce the speed of traffic from 35 to 30 to increase pedestrian safety (which has been a problem on that street). The impact on auto throughput wasn't zero, but it wasn't big, either. I think it increased the travel time by an average of 20 seconds or so (which, over a two mile stretch, isn't nothing, but it also isn't a huge problem on a signaled street with a city speed limit. Pedestrian safety was a key aspect of the project, and a good reason to reduce the speed limit. However, generally reducing a speed limit on a sign has a negligible impact; instead the street needs narrowing to convince drivers to slow down. Adding the protected bike lane helps with that. The result of the project is exactly what was intended, moderately reducing traffic speed to increase pedestrian safety, while also adding a protected bike lane to get from one end of town to the other. Framed as it was intended, the project has been a singing success; but people are still mad because there is only one lane now, where there used to be two (with zero regard for actual changes to throughput).
My point is many people--and I don't know if this is you--assume (1) narrowing/reducing lanes reduces throughput; that isn't necessarily true--there is lots of engineering on this; and (2) that this is all done just for a handful of knucklehead cyclists; while cyclists are often the biggest advocates, pedestrian safety is often an important part of the puzzle that gets overlooked because of all those jerks on their bikes running stop signs (and now doing so on electric "bikes" that travel pretty darned fast).
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Juniper Street near me went from four lanes to two, and one lane often is blocked by a delivery vehicle. The impact on car traffic has been severe. Meanwhile, no bikes, almost ever. What's the point of bike lanes when almost nobody rides bikes? We walk or drive along Juniper often, it's VERY rare to see a bike. Now, maybe those folks in Ansley Park are going to sell their BMWs and buy bikes someday? Not a chance.
I firmly believe in 5-10 years the city will restore Juniper to the way it was. And no, I am not a traffic engineer. What I heard from the Midtown Alliance was a lot of "build it they will come" crap that makes no sense to me, at all. And in the six months since the bike lanes opened, they almost never feature a bike. So, what did this help? Two or four bikes a day? And how many cars? Thousands. It was a four lane one way street going south, parallel to the Downtown Connector which often is stop and go.
This isn't Copenhagen and never will be.
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Traffic in ATL sucked 30 years ago. Can only imagine what it is now.
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Traffic for us usually is not an issue, but we avoid driving between 3 and 6 PM, and we stay on side streets. After a while, you figure out where to get somewhere, usually, to avoid stuff. we get caught in "it" once or twice a month. One thing is that the freeways are build for rush hour, so driving on them out of rush hour often is a breeze, except for outside the Perimeter. In reality, we could live here without a car at all. My wife drives more than I do.
Today we walked over to Home Depot and I got a haircut, stopped for lunch on the way back, got a few things at Trader Joes, probably 3 miles total, it's pretty humid, we got a serious storm last night apparently.
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So imagine I decided to ride a bike. I could take the bike lane on Juniper to Tenth, fine, then a block with no bike lane east, then a bike lane (with no bike traffic of course). Then no bike lane on Monroe for two blocks, then a parking lot and up some stairs to another parking lot, lock up the bike and get my hair cut. Doable, sure. Probably quicker than walking.
On return, stopping at TJ's I need some kind of rack for the produce I bought. But it's 1.3 miles as I walk, which takes me 23 minutes, maybe a bike saves me 9 minutes one way. Yay. Folks who ride bikes here aren't GOING anywhere, they ride recreationally, which is great, but you can easily do that in the park all you want. This isn't reducing traffic, it makes it worse.
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Steering into local Atlanta politics?
https://www.midtownatl.com/project/juniper-street-transformation-project
Looks like one of the two lanes was removed for the protected bike lane, the other was for wider sidewalks. 460 reported safety incidents in the five years prior to the project. Bikes were a part of this; pedestrian safety and traffic calming were intended, if not the featured talking point.
The slower throughput was a feature, not a bug.
Delivery vehicles blocking the lanes does seem like a problem.
Curious how this all went down at the local level before it got approved and funded.
:)
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Steering into local Atlanta politics?
https://www.midtownatl.com/project/juniper-street-transformation-project
Looks like one of the two lanes was removed for the protected bike lane, the other was for wider sidewalks. 460 reported safety incidents in the five years prior to the project. Bikes were a part of this; pedestrian safety and traffic calming were intended, if not the featured talking point.
The slower throughput was a feature, not a bug.
Delivery vehicles blocking the lanes does seem like a problem.
Curious how this all went down at the local level before it got approved and funded.
:)
"Safety incidents." Could be defined in almost any way one wanted, if one had an agenda to push.
Unusued bike lanes are the running joke in Austin as well. Scores of millions of dollars spent over the past 20 years. Still no bikes.
Edited to Add: I'm a cycling enthusiast myself, and appreciate some of the larger more "thoroughfare" type bike lanes that exist. Of course they existed long before the recent decades push. They were used then, and they are used now.
This, isn't that.
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What is "traffic calming"? I guess if traffic is at s standstill, it's calmer? The drivers aren't.
Below is the "Connector", the only NS freeway in the city, if you get off on a sidestreet, it will move, unless your car lanes are now unused bike lanes. Juniper has been a disaster, AND they are now doing the same treatment to Piedmont. We live on Piedmont. It's going to be epic.
(https://i.imgur.com/rpSBiiW.png)
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That is true (about the definition of safety incidents), but it's also convenient to blame the bike lanes when there is more at work. I know that's the situation in my city (SFIrish was literally in the room for all of those decisions over the last decade), and I'm confident it is common elsewhere. Painting with a broad brush, we Americans tend to overvalue what we perceive as our convenience with cars, and we devalue safety as a result. And we often make traffic/road construction decisions in the worst possible way, with public comment guiding engineering decisions, as if the public has any idea how to engineer something. The public should guide design intent, engineers should do the actual design. We would never allow the public to comment on the construction of a massive building the way we allow the public to comment on roads, but both have important safety impacts.
Anyway, my main point here is that it isn't just the bikes. And our car-focused culture is often obtuse about safety.
FWIW, I agree that many of these "improvements" end up being silly window dressing that don't actually improve anything, and often make things worse. Sigh.
(And the Juniper Street project may be one of those.)
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What is "traffic calming"? I guess if traffic is at s standstill, it's calmer? The drivers aren't.
Below is the "Connector", the only NS freeway in the city, if you get off on a sidestreet, it will move, unless your car lanes are now unused bike lanes. Juniper has been a disaster, AND they are now doing the same treatment to Piedmont. We live on Piedmont. It's going to be epic.
Keep up your walking?
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Oh for sure I'll trust the engineers over the public when it comes to design.
I'll just state that you can reduce traffic related "safety incidents" to zero if you make a road completely impassable. But being completely impassable isn't the actual purpose of a road.
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This is a very walkable area, which is one reason we moved here. This is why I think most bikes are for recreation, or delivery in some cases, not transportation. It's not something that takes a car off the streets. We have these delivery robost all over now anyway.
One question about Waymos. I can't go out without seeing 3,4,5 of them, driving around, with no passenger (often as not). Why are they always moving without a passernge? They can't all be headed for a pickup. I saw three of them yesterday in sight at the same time. I know they are EVs. They seem just to drive around with no objective in mind, to me. I've yet to use one.
If they had a passenger 30% of the time I'd guess they are picking up when empty. But they don't.
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I wonder about Waymos, too (I've ridden in one; it was cool), and I look forward to the day that I need not own my own car, but can instead rely on subscribing to a car service. That day looks pretty far out. I hoped, in 2019, that I was buying my last car. Clearly I was not (in part because of the situation SFGopher put me in last year), but I still hope.
Still, they do seem to just drive around. I bet that's not what they are actually doing. I suspect Google has algorithms telling them where to be and when, and with good reason.
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Bear in mind a Waymo might also be a sort of rolling billboard when there isn't any passenger. It's advertising.
Especially since people might have trepidation about driverless taxis, so seeing them operating [safely] helps to normalize the idea that they can actually be trusted. You don't get that benefit if they're sitting parked somewhere waiting to be hailed.
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Oh for sure I'll trust the engineers over the public when it comes to design.
I'll just state that you can reduce traffic related "safety incidents" to zero if you make a road completely impassable. But being completely impassable isn't the actual purpose of a road.
As you should.
But engineers are also subjected to a lot of pressure from politicians and bureaucrat hacks working for the review agencies.
This is why I only do Land Surveying now.
Practicing Civil Engineering sucks - if you can all doing everything strictly "by the book" practicing.
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Just thinking out loud here, but where would a Waymo go to "park" whilst waiting on its next fare? I'd guess that you'd want it to avoid parking lots for numerous reasons. And streetside parking is limited and/or expensive in many areas. Do they operate from some sort of central hub? And if so, would you really want it to return there, when not in use?
I think they very well could be just wandering around, for some or all of the reasons we've brought up. I think it's likely that they use a predictive algorith to put them close to the next most likely fares, I think they probably are used as rolling billboards, and I also think there's not a lot of good options for them to park and be safely out of the way.
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I think they very well could be just wandering around, for some or all of the reasons we've brought up. I think it's likely that they use a predictive algorith to put them close to the next most likely fares, I think they probably are used as rolling billboards, and I also think there's not a lot of good options for them to park and be safely out of the way.
Yes. The bolded part first, the italicized part second.
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Unusued bike lanes are the running joke in Austin as well. Scores of millions of dollars spent over the past 20 years. Still no bikes.
wut?
I used to see a ton of cyclists, particularly in west Austin, like on 360 and stuff, plus downtown also (bearing in mind the amount of time I was downtown....I never worked or lived there). We always had Lance Armstrong jokes about them. When I first moved there, I lived in perpetual fear of accidentally hitting them.
Has that changed or are you talking about different parts of the city?
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wut?
I used to see a ton of cyclists, particularly in west Austin, like on 360 and stuff, plus downtown also (bearing in mind the amount of time I was downtown....I never worked or lived there). We always had Lance Armstrong jokes about them. When I first moved there, I lived in perpetual fear of accidentally hitting them.
Has that changed or are you talking about different parts of the city?
Man I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a cyclist on 360. It's true there used to be a bunch-- I was one of them. I lived up in Northwest Hills and would ride down Spicewood Springs Road (the big hill) to 360, and then ride down 360 to the Pennybacker Bridge, and back. But I don't see anyone doing that anymore.
And downtown, not really any cyclists either. Despite the millions upon million of dollars spent on bike lanes. Tons of those stupid Lime and Bird scooters though.
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I ride past a parking lot full of Waymos on my daily commute. They definitely do park for extended periods of time.
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I like the advertising idea for Waymo. I guess they don’t cost much to cruise around vs park. They don’t seem to have passengers often.
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Waymos tend to be pretty packed around here. I rarely see them empty.
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Around here they converted a traffic lane into a bike lane in front of a school, and for weeks confused drivers drove down the bike lane right by the school. No idea how many kids had to be scraped off of windshields.