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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on December 07, 2025, 12:32:59 PM
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8 - Oklahoma
9 - Alabama.................winner vs 1 - Indiana
5 - Oregon
12 - James Madison......winner vs 4 - Texas Tech
7 - Texas A&M
10 - Miami...................winner vs 2 - OSU
6 - Ole Miss
11 - Tulane..................winner vs 3 - Georgia
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Is this more ND win h2h or ND join a conference?
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First 2 out: ND and BYU
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Photo of everyone who feels bad for the Irish:
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flashbacks of Lou Holtz lobbying for the MNC 'we beat the big 8 champ, we beat the big ten champ....' (also that season, he omitted 'we lost to Miami').
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Also, ranking the teams AND having the playoff seedings is stupid. Don't do that. Don't tell everyone the 20th and 24th-ranked teams are in the 12-team playoff.
Wouldn't we all prefer a playoff with Bama, Miami, and ND, and BYU in? You know, teams that might actually win some games?
We're admittedly putting in special Olympians in the actual Olympics here. I know that's a crass metaphor, but it fits.
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flashbacks of Lou Holtz lobbying for the MNC 'we beat the big 8 champ, we beat the big ten champ....' (also that season, he omitted 'we lost to Miami').
Sufferin' succotash!!!
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Amazing how it takes ESPN jimmying things to make people actually feel bad for ND
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We have a 2-loss G5 team in the playoff. What are we doing?
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I like that they have no one actually take the side of the G5 in these shows. $$$$$$ talking points.
"We all just want the best teams in." No we f'ng don't. We want the teams that earned a spot.
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We have a 2-loss G5 team in the playoff. What are we doing?
yeah maybe we should just go back to the 4 team playoff. that is f’ing ridiculous.
Call me crazy but Notre Dame and Texas should be in over James Madison and Tulane.
does anybody honestly think otherwise?
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I guess a 2-loss American champ who lost to UTSA by 22 points earned it.
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I guess a 2-loss American champ who lost to UTSA by 22 points earned it.
It's right there in the name - "champ." I know having poindexters pick the prettiest losers makes more money, though.
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If the Hawgs had the exact same resume as Bama, they wouldn't get in.
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It's right there in the name - "champ." I know having poindexters pick the prettiest losers makes more money, though.
Alright, put some money down on Tulane to win.
They're not ranked behind 3-loss Texas, USC, Arizona, Michigan, and even Virginia for no reason. They're champions of an inferior conference and played one big-boy team and got boat-raced.
Get 'em in the playoff!!!!
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Another problem we can all agree on: the committee is tasked with creating 4 first round games.....2 REMATCHES!!!
What in the actual fuck?
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Alright, put some money down on Tulane to win.
They're not ranked behind 3-loss Texas, USC, Arizona, Michigan, and even Virginia for no reason. They're champions of an inferior conference and played one big-boy team and got boat-raced.
Get 'em in the playoff!!!!
"It's not fair to the teams that lose that the teams that win get ahead of them."
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Another problem we can all agree on: the committee is tasked with creating 4 first round games.....2 REMATCHES!!!
What in the actual fuck?
I thought that was weird too. It would have been totally fine to flip those games.
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BYU was punished for losing a conference title game.
Animal Farm.
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yeah maybe we should just go back to the 4 team playoff. that is f’ing ridiculous.
I'd like 6 maybe 8 but any more than that is nonsense. But instead we get :welcome:
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Bracing for the incoming rash of editorials decrying Notre Dame's exclusion from the playoff. Because it's a TWELVE team playoff, the drama is being kicked up over who's finishing roughly 9th through 14th. Watch this create a demand for an expanded 16 team playoff. I miss the BCS days when the heated discourse was more consequentially over who finished 1st and 2nd and who might've been left out at 3rd and 4th.
NO, it is NOT time for a new process.
It's time to point out to Notre Dame the two games they lost and make it clear that those games were their fair shot at the playoffs. Losing those games deservedly put Notre Dame at risk for missing the playoffs. A misfortune nobody should bemoan now that there are TWELVE chances to make the playoffs!
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Herbstreit was told by his AI overlords to mention a 16-team playoff every time he spoke.
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What's the halftime point spread of JMU @ Oregon??? Asking for a friend.
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It's time to point out to Notre Dame the two games they lost and make it clear that those games were their fair shot at the playoffs. Losing those games deservedly put Notre Dame at risk for missing the playoffs.
Good Bama can go have a seat next them
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https://twitter.com/btoppmeyer/status/1997729707534823607?s=46
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The unspoken answer is the Big XII sucks.
It lost Texas and OU and replaced them with Houston, UCF, Cincinnati, and....wait for it....BYU.
This isn't rocket science.
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The unspoken answer is the Big XII sucks.
It lost Texas and OU and replaced them with Houston, UCF, Cincinnati, and....wait for it....BYU.
This isn't rocket science.
Well sure, but you either get punished for losing a CCG, or you don’t.
Some do, some don’t.
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Bama's only good wins are Vanderbilt and Georgia, and Georgia just blew their doors off.
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Bama's only good wins are Vanderbilt and Georgia, and Georgia just blew their doors off.
Right.
They're 1-1 vs Georgia.
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Here's a fun idea...in their seeded order, just let teams 5-8 pick who they want to play.
Then North Texas gets to be in the playoff!
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The unspoken answer is the Big XII sucks.
Perhaps but Bama lost to 5-7 FSU by 2 TDs & at home to the Sooners and by 3 TDs in the CCG.Just how many provisions do they get ?
:welcome:
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Right.
They're 1-1 vs Georgia.
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Alright, put some money down on Tulane to win.
They're not ranked behind 3-loss Texas, USC, Arizona, Michigan, and even Virginia for no reason. They're champions of an inferior conference and played one big-boy team and got boat-raced.
Get 'em in the playoff!!!!
OK, then petition Florida to move to the AAC.
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Perhaps but Bama lost to 5-7 FSU by 2 TDs & at home to the Sooners and by 3 TDs in the CCG.Just how many provisions do they get ?
:welcome:
BYU's best win was.......at home vs Utah, by 3 points.
BYU's OOC schedule: Portland State, Stanford, East Carolina
Alabama's best win was......at Georgia, by 3 points
Alabama's OOC schedule: FSU, Wisconsin, 2 FCS teams
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Does anyone actually think Tulane is better than Notre Dame?
I assume not.
But if you are arguing against Tulane, you are arguing against the regular season.
I'd rather the games have some stakes at the end. And I'd also rather see the #5 and #6 seeds get rewarded this way. I don't want to see the #5 team have to play a better team who underachieved. I'm glad the CCGs were fun, and that Oregon and Ole Miss get a home game like this.
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This is cute. I don't like Alabama. I like teams with good resumes. I don't like giving the sisters of the poor a seat at a table they will never sit at the head of. It's less ethical than excluding them. They don't even get to imagine what could be. They get a seat, immediately squashed, case-closed.
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Does anyone actually think Tulane is better than Notre Dame?
I assume not.
But if you are arguing against Tulane, you are arguing against the regular season.
I'd rather the games have some stakes at the end. And I'd also rather see the #5 and #6 seeds get rewarded this way. I don't want to see the #5 team have to play a better team who underachieved. I'm glad the CCGs were fun, and that Oregon and Ole Miss get a home game like this.
I think it's awesome Autzen is hosting a playoff game. I'm not stoked that it'll be an early-Septemberish blowout kind of game.
The tallest midget is still a midget. We're rewarding mediocrity.
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And again, if they insist on letting G5 teams in, STOP RANKING ALL THE TEAMS!!! Don't acknowledge the 24th-ranked team is in the 12-team playoff.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!!
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BYU's best win was.......at home vs Utah, by 3 points.
BYU's OOC schedule: Portland State, Stanford, East Carolina
Alabama's best win was......at Georgia, by 3 points
Alabama's OOC schedule: FSU, Wisconsin, 2 FCS teams
Texas lost to Georgia and tOSU on the road and they both(Bama) lost to FSU so that's a wash. So good to see the Horns get a seat at the Big Boy table
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I think it's awesome Autzen is hosting a playoff game. I'm not stoked that it'll be an early-Septemberish blowout kind of game.
The tallest midget is still a midget. We're rewarding mediocrity.
No, we are rewarding Oregon, while making the end of the season more entertaining
And again, if teams would prefer the easy playoff path, I assume the AAC would accept any SEC applicant on the spot
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Texas lost to Georgia and tOSU on the road and they both lost to FSU so that's a wash. So good to see the Horns get a seat at the Big Boy table
lol
FSU missed a bowl by losing to Florida.
Texas missed the CFP by losing to Florida.
GO GATORS! THE SWAMP.....ONLY GATORS GET OUT ALIVE!!! (and Volunteers, this time)
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more entertaining
This.
I fear the balance between competition and entertainment is lost forever.
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lol
FSU missed a bowl by losing to Florida.
Texas missed the CFP by losing to Florida.
GO GATORS! THE SWAMP.....ONLY GATORS GET OUT ALIVE!!! (and Volunteers, this time)
Texas took down No3 A&M and No6 Dirt Burglars Hook'em
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I fear the balance between competition and entertainment is lost forever.
Good Post I except your surrender :111:
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Well sure, but you either get punished for losing a CCG, or you don’t.
Some do, some don’t.
I disagree. BYU didn't actually lose anything. They were out at #11 before the CG, got blown out, and are out at #12 now. I get your point in that dropping from 11 to 12 is technically a "punishment" but it was a meaningless punishment because both 11 and 12 are out and first team out vs second team out is a distinction without a difference.
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Is this more ND win h2h or ND join a conference?
H2H as you assumed - it's simple
because ND's total resume is much stronger
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flashbacks of Lou Holtz lobbying for the MNC 'we beat the big 8 champ, we beat the big ten champ....' (also that season, he omitted 'we lost to Miami').
hah, boo hoo Lou in his neck brace
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I think it's awesome Autzen is hosting a playoff game. I'm not stoked that it'll be an early-Septemberish blowout kind of game.
The tallest midget is still a midget. We're rewarding mediocrity.
On this subject I agree with you completely but that said consider two things that may help you accept it as I have:
- The teams left out aren't great. They have two or three losses so it isn't like they are blameless.
- I think that basically everyone assumes that if they didn't give the G5 some chances they'd open themselves up to either Congressional oversight or an anti-trust suit. Either of those could and probably would lead to a result far worse than what we have now.
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We have a 2-loss G5 team in the playoff. What are we doing?
similar to a 3-loss P4 team - foolishness
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I disagree. BYU didn't actually lose anything. They were out at #11 before the CG, got blown out, and are out at #12 now. I get your point in that dropping from 11 to 12 is technically a "punishment" but it was a meaningless punishment because both 11 and 12 are out and first team out vs second team out is a distinction without a difference.
Rankings before the CCG’s — week 14.
Miami behind BYU, but now in the playoff. Idle Miami moved up 2 spots. BYU punished and put behind Miami.
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Good Post I except your surrender :111:
accept :88:
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This.
I fear the balance between competition and entertainment is lost forever.
Depends on where you value the entertainment. You want "better" first round games to allow more P4 teams to get 4th chances
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I guess a 2-loss American champ who lost to UTSA by 22 points earned it.
they have lawyers and the G5 has threatened a HUGE lawsuit
EARNED it
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Here's all we need to know about this stupid inclusive system:
Two of the playoff games have a 17.5 point spread and a 21.5 point spread.
WHAT ARE WE DOING!?!?
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Another problem we can all agree on: the committee is tasked with creating 4 first round games.....2 REMATCHES!!!
What in the actual fuck?
Bama "earned" theirs with their performance yesterday
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Depends on where you value the entertainment. You want "better" first round games to allow more P4 teams to get 4th chances
Actually, I want fewer teams in the playoff.
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14 teams.
Big Ten and SEC champs are the 1 and 2 seeds.
Big XII and ACC champs are guaranteed somewhere between 3-12.
The remaining 3-12 are the 10 at larges.
The 4 best G5 champs play each other for the #13 and #14 spots.
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Actually, I want fewer teams in the playoff.
I think we all do, but that ship has sailed, and the devaluation of bowl games doesn't make me actually love it as much as I did a decade ago
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OK, then petition Florida to move to the AAC.
Notre Dame would be in if they were in the AAC
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I think we all do, but that ship has sailed, and the devaluation of bowl games doesn't make me actually love it as much as I did a decade ago
Iowa State and Kansas State just accepted $500,000 fines from the Big XII to skip a bowl game
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Alabama's OOC schedule: FSU, Wisconsin, 2 FCS teams
Jesus
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Jesus
Yeah...yet better than BYU's, lol.
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I'd rather the committee simply meet once, after the CCGs
the only thing that matters is that final meeting - why the build up and bullshit???
Yes, I know.... because it sells and makes $$$
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I'd rather the committee simply meet once, after the CCGs
the only thing that matters is that final meeting - why the build up and bullshit???
Yes, I know.... because it sells and makes $$$
I was perusing college football youtube videos and AI video-creation and such.....and oh dear god, the sheer volume of "what will the final CFP rankings be?" videos was substantial. Hell, it's obnoxious. An obnoxious amount.
So yeah.
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An obnoxious amount of interest = An obnoxious amount of $$$
great! I just want a cut
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Notre Dame would be in if they were in the AAC
Correct, so they made their choice
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Ed Zachery
lie in the bed you made
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accept :88:
'scuse me I tried banging out another post before you came up with topper - that hasn't surfaced BTW because it can't. We are attempting to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Bama's a better fit for this years discards outside the office door,it's prolly gonna all come down to the Dawgs and Cignetti's surly Cinderellas.
CFB is turning into a case study of killing the goose that laid the golden egg
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from ex-husker Adam Carriker - FB hero
Here’s my take on the final College Football Playoff rankings, for whatever it’s worth:
1- Notre Dame, join a conference, you’re not above everyone else. Your easy path, bit you in the butt.
2- Texas, don’t lose 3 games.
3- BYU, of course Alabama got in and not you, they’re in the SEC.
4- Vanderbilt, burn the whole system down.
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Amazing how it takes ESPN jimmying things to make people actually feel bad for ND
AND after the ESPN talking heads have spent the last month pumping up Miami over Notre Dame, it's a remarkable turnaround.
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it's all just drama to peak interest
otherwise know as bullshit
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yeah maybe we should just go back to the 4 team playoff. that is f’ing ridiculous.
Call me crazy but Notre Dame and Texas should be in over James Madison and Tulane.
does anybody honestly think otherwise?
I disagree. I don't have strong feelings about it but I disagree.
The purpose of the 12-team CFP is to get both the 8 best teams in the playoffs and also get the 5 best conference champions in the playoffs. If you want to be in the playoffs, then either finish in the top 8 overall or win your conference.
This goes back to my claim that most years, there really are only 6 to 10 teams that have legitimately "deserve" a shot to play for the national championship. So if the goal was to only have the best teams, you should limit the CFP to 10 teams. But if you want to make sure there are at least 5 conferences represented, you need to have at least 14 teams. You could add 2 more teams just in case and 16 is probably the perfect number in my opinion.
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Here's all we need to know about this stupid inclusive system:
Two of the playoff games have a 17.5 point spread and a 21.5 point spread.
WHAT ARE WE DOING!?!?
Think of it this way:
The top four get byes.
The next two get de-facto byes.
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it's all just drama to peak interest
otherwise know as bullshit
Hence this thread, lol.
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Think of it this way:
The top four get byes.
The next two get de-facto byes.
It's 12 teams, why all the byes?!?!? How is there ANY pushback against the idea a playoff should be strong team vs strong team?!?!!
Byes, de-facto byes?!? WTF?
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It's 12 teams, why all the byes?!?!? How is there ANY pushback against the idea a playoff should be strong team vs strong team?!?!!
Byes, de-facto byes?!? WTF?
They are strong teams. Why do you want more losers in the playoffs? That it what the season was for! To separate the winners and losers.
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It's 12 teams, why all the byes?!?!?
dude,
P4 conferences and helmets
titled playing field - as per usual
you don't like the idea of JMU or Tulane getting in???? This is how we make SURE they have NO chance
so, you should love it
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Bro, if the conferences were anything resembling even footing, sure, you'd have a point. But the uneven quality of each conference is so utterly substantial, that you don't have a foot to stand on. And you know this.
The SEC and Big Ten are above all others. By far. The Big XII and ACC are a rung or three lower. And then the others are a big step down from them. In every way.
And you want to pretend they're not. You're better than that, right?
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dude,
P4 conferences and helmets
titled playing field - as per usual
you don't like the idea of JMU or Tulane getting in???? This is how we make SURE they have NO chance
so, you should love it
They have an equally zero chance while being included. It's just a public execution instead of being left out. It's kinder to omit them.
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yes, but the courts won't allow that.
Blame Trump
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Bro, if the conferences were anything resembling even footing, sure, you'd have a point. But the uneven quality of each conference is so utterly substantial, that you don't have a foot to stand on. And you know this.
The SEC and Big Ten are above all others. By far. The Big XII and ACC are a rung or three lower. And then the others are a big step down from them. In every way.
And you want to pretend they're not. You're better than that, right?
This isn't my problem. I don't care. I don't see why anyone would care. We have conferences in college football. The winners should get to play on. That's the whole point of a playoff system. Not to give us the same teams playing each other over and over. That's boring and ruins the whole point of the playoffs. Why anyone would support boring loser football is beyond me. You have to better than this, right?
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Mmmm, see the classic offended for the sake of being offended take has the usual suspect offended.
Notre Dame thing mostly makes sense. They had the weakest case and weakest structural question. I can see the argument against Bama, but the having to play more football penalty is a tricky one.
Ironically a team ended up unpenalized for a non-conference loss, but it ended up being a bad one.
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Ironically a team ended up unpenalized for a non-conference loss, but it ended up being a bad one.
Ironic that its the SEC SEC SEC??? no
they are above other conferences
it's also why they didn't want to play 9 conference games - too tough for them
instead of losing to non-con FSU, they lose to Florida - that would be a CFP killer - ask Texas
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I'm pretty excited about playing Miami at home in a couple of weeks. I haven't watched a ton of them this year, but I think it will be a good match. Plus, we've never beaten them in CFB (I think, maybe way back when) so it would be nice to get a W, but if we don't then nothing to be ashamed of.
Speaking of never notched a win...Ohio State. Should we be fortunate enough to sneak past Miami, we'll get a chance of beating OSU. We've never beaten them, in about 4 tries, and we get them in the Cotton Bowl. Should we get that far it could be a great game.
I would be super pissed if we were still under the old playoff and Texas Tech got in with 1 loss in the Big 12 and we did not with 1 loss in the SEC.
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yeah maybe we should just go back to the 4 team playoff. that is f’ing ridiculous. . . .
Four would be fine with me.
I was fine with two, and did not want the expansion to four because I was sure that it would soon expand to more and more teams. And at each step, noisy advocates for further expansion would dominate the discussion.
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a blessed season for the Aggies, can only get better from here
but yes, losing to the Canes, especially this year is something to be ashamed of
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Four would be fine with me.
I was fine with two, and did not want the expansion to four because I was sure that it would soon expand to more and more teams. And at each step, noisy advocates for further expansion would dominate the discussion.
ED Zachery!!!
if you want a true national regular season champion - match the two best teams after the season.
if you want a tournament champion - see basketball
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Iowa State and Kansas State just accepted $500,000 fines from the Big XII to skip a bowl game
That's sad.
How many times have I heard that the rationale for having eleventy-umpteen bowls is that teams get those priceless pre-bowl practice sessions?
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ND decides not to accept any bowl invites. Good for them.
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Wow. Notre Dame taking their marbles and going home in a tantrum. Refusing to go to a Bowl.
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ND decides not to accept any bowl invites. Good for them.
Why good?
Seem like that, along with ISU KSU bowing out of bowl games, that would start a process of wrecking the bowl games.
Maybe I'm missing something. It wouldn't be the first time.
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Why good?
Seem like that, along with ISU KSU bowing out of bowl games, that would start a process of wrecking the bowl games.
Maybe I'm missing something. It wouldn't be the first time.
Opt outs already killed the bowl games. Too many bowl games killed the bowl games.
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Remember, ND traditionally did not accept bowl bids up until the 70’s. I see it as strategic, since they know they would be a big draw TV wise. James Madison and Tulane will not be highly watched. Why should ESPN get their cake and it it too?
Watch them decline all regular bowl games from here on out. As they should. And I don’t like them, but I respect them.
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perhaps he shall man up next season - instead of being the joke
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So they can pay a giant fine for turning down a bowl game?
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ok buy me
big money jackets using an event to avoid taxes and buy influence can suck it!
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Yeah I don't really get why ND would go to a bowl game. Seems pointless.
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The games in September matter, sorry/not sorry.
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The games in September matter, sorry/not sorry.
Sort of. Bammer got lucky that FSU was so bad that they couldn't be compared head to head.
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Not everyone can be like Georgia and get a mulligan.
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Not everyone can be like Georgia and get a mulligan.
SEC gets that opportunity. Remember Bama getting one against LSU?
Another question, why was OU such a lock for the playoff? They got rolled at the State Fair. For argument sake, ND lost by what, 4 points combined to 2 teams in the playoff, and then won 10 straight.
I guess it's the same as it always was.
Pitchers and catchers report in <3 months, I suspect.
Maybe I'll talk myself into having some interest, since I used to love college football. But I'm trying to remember why.
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it's the same as it ever was
Wild Bill Snyder and curt are swimming upstream
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There was no right answer.
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it's the same as it ever was
Wild Bill Snyder and curt are swimming upstream
Nice to at least hear St. Bill mentioned today on the reveal show, "all due respect" in comparing the turnaround in programs those 2 engineered.
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There was no right answer.
that's for sure
same as it ever was
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Anybody know why Texas Tech got sent to the Orange Bowl instead of the Cotton Bowl?
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Anybody know why Texas Tech got sent to the Orange Bowl instead of the Cotton Bowl?
I think they said they didn't want a possible Miami-OSU game to be a home game for Miami
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SEC gets that opportunity. Remember Bama getting one against LSU?
Another question, why was OU such a lock for the playoff? They got rolled at the State Fair. For argument sake, ND lost by what, 4 points combined to 2 teams in the playoff, and then won 10 straight.
Probably because ND's best win is USC and OU has 2 wins as good or better (UM, Bama)?
When your best outcome is a loss (ND, Texas), I get it, but the 7 year-olds who rank the teams aren't going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
With too many teams for too few slots, someone is going to be left out.
Instead of whining about this group of teams with similar resumes, I'd rather get the system to change. Purposely including teams the committee itself ranks 20th and 24th in a 12-team playoff is asinine.
Inclusion is for little league baseball or some other no-stakes enterprise. Not for determining the national champion.
Like shit, in the CFP, the SUN BELT champ is in because the ACC sucks ass. It's not because JMU matters or can win anything, it's because the ACC is so shitty. And seeded above them, we're including a 2-loss G5 team who had to outlast NORTH TEXAS to "earn" their way in, while ND, Texas, Vanderbilt and ten other BETTER teams sit home or play in the Irrelevant Bowl.
I"ve said it from the beginning, and this is what we get.
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With too many teams for too few slots, someone is going to be left out.
there aren't too many teams
there are too many teams expecting or hoping to get in
OU. ND, Texas, Miami, Tulane, Texas Tech, Bama can look back at their losses and SUCK it.
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"ND, Texas, Vanderbilt"
I would push back on this. We saw Texas v OSU and Georgia. We saw Bama against FSU and Georgia. We saw Vanderbilt against Bama. They sucked. They weren't any better than JMU. But for some reason we need to exclude JMU to see them lose again?
ND at least we saw be competitive, so I think they got a little screwed. But saying Texas or Vanderbilt are somehow way better than JMU? Nope. They had the chance to prove it and they failed. Stop rewarding failure.
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not rewarding failure, just wanting a good game vs Oregon
hopefully JMU can provide that
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I dont think anyone is pretending otherwise. The ESPN Invitational is alive and well
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"ND, Texas, Vanderbilt"
I would push back on this. We saw Texas v OSU and Georgia. We saw Bama against FSU and Georgia. We saw Vanderbilt against Bama. They sucked. They weren't any better than JMU. But for some reason we need to exclude JMU to see them lose again?
ND at least we saw be competitive, so I think they got a little screwed. But saying Texas or Vanderbilt are somehow way better than JMU? Nope. They had the chance to prove it and they failed. Stop rewarding failure.
This.
And if they get toasted, fine. Then that was a good reward for the #5 team. Seems like the best way to keep a meaningful regular season. Give champs a shot, and if they dont deserve it, you benefit the best teams who didnt get a bye with a de facto bye.
The only reason to hate it is because you actually dislike the regular season and want the teams with the starz to get a 4th chance to prove it
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last time ND misses out of playoff like this...
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1997763809914528210?s=20
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so, next year the committee keeps ND at #13 or #14
awesome
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last time ND misses out of playoff like this...
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1997763809914528210?s=20
F Notre Dame and their special treatment.
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and F Bama and their special treatment.
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not rewarding failure, just wanting a good game vs Oregon
hopefully JMU can provide that
Hope is not a strategy. 21.5 point dog. It's all broken.
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"ND, Texas, Vanderbilt"
I would push back on this. We saw Texas v OSU and Georgia. We saw Bama against FSU and Georgia. We saw Vanderbilt against Bama. They sucked. They weren't any better than JMU. But for some reason we need to exclude JMU to see them lose again?
ND at least we saw be competitive, so I think they got a little screwed. But saying Texas or Vanderbilt are somehow way better than JMU? Nope. They had the chance to prove it and they failed. Stop rewarding failure.
Our brains are very different.
What is JMU's best win? I'll hang up and listen.
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Im Not upset about JMU. I think the overall essence is that there are legal complications if they don’t let these guys in the playoffs. Nobody seriously thinks they can win. The only one with a snowballs chance is Tulane but OM already stomped them earlier this season.
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It's like letting a 10 year old play high school football because he might sue you. Okay, you let him play, but if he gets in a game (the playoff), he's going to get hurt.
I get wanting a seat at the table. But an annual ass-kicking with the world watching maybe isn't such a great plan.
And for these programs to get 2 in - NOT BASED ON ANYTHING REMARKABLE THEY'VE DONE (NEITHER IS UNDEFEATED OR BEAT A BIG-BOY TEAM) - but solely because the ACC is a dumpster fire, is a broken system.
People want to pretend winning a conference title means anything, with 16-20 teams in a conference, where nobody plays anybody else is also broken.
And the decision-makers seem to be literally stupid. Dull. This board could come together and hash out far superior ideas, despite our differences. Hell, chatGPT could, and it's college football depth of knowledge is near zero.
Where are the impressive people involved? Not ESPN, not former ADs, not blubbering idiots set in front of a camera to defend the indefensible. The adults. Where?!? I mean Jesus Christ.
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Ed Zachery, Tulane and JMU are a necessary evil
blame the judges and lawyers, not the committee
ESPN doesn't want them in the playoff
the SEC and/or the Big don't want to share with them
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I'm just still very confused that anyone who wants a smaller playoff is upset about this. It seems like it is essentially a 10-team playoff. isn't that what you want? You made a couple games more interesting, to still essentially get a 10-team playoff.
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I get wanting a seat at the table. But an annual ass-kicking with the world watching maybe isn't such a great plan.
And for these programs to get 2 in - NOT BASED ON ANYTHING REMARKABLE THEY'VE DONE (NEITHER IS UNDEFEATED OR BEAT A BIG-BOY TEAM) - but solely because the ACC is a dumpster fire, is a broken system.
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Come on now.
Tulane knocked off the ACC champion.
JMU's mascot is the ACC champion.
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Idk guys, we went from having an undefeated G5 team maybe get a shot in a BCS bowl to now having a 2-loss G5 team in the playoff to determine the national champion.
That doesn't seem odd to anyone?
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"College" football sucks.
I want my Rose Bowl back.
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I get wanting a seat at the table. But an annual ass-kicking with the world watching maybe isn't such a great plan.
And for these programs to get 2 in - NOT BASED ON ANYTHING REMARKABLE THEY'VE DONE (NEITHER IS UNDEFEATED OR BEAT A BIG-BOY TEAM)
so, they each get a chance to beat a big boy team. So what?
and if either of them get lucky, .. does anyone care if the 5 or 6 seed is knocked off? Hell no.
no more meaningless than the bowl game any of those 4 teams would be playing in.
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Division III uses a metric called the NCAA Power Index (NPI) as the sole criterion for selection and seeding. Here's how the CFP bracket might look using NPI:
(https://i.imgur.com/5v4aWmH.png)
better???
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fND.
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Idk guys, we went from having an undefeated G5 team maybe get a shot in a BCS bowl to now having a 2-loss G5 team in the playoff to determine the national champion.
That doesn't seem odd to anyone?
Not weirder than excluding 70 percent of the teams from the postseason before the season starts
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LoL
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That's sad.
How many times have I heard that the rationale for having eleventy-umpteen bowls is that teams get those priceless pre-bowl practice sessions?
It was the rationale.
But now any players who can, opt out.
I know, that means "we can give the young guys more practice!"
Nah. Any of them who show out in the bowl become outgoing transfers for more $$$, and any who don't show out in the bowl will be buried next year on the depth chart behind incoming transfers.
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Lots of people used to say bowls were meaningless.
Now, they really are.
A big thank you to all the pencil neck "pay the players" and "we want playoffs" people.
Not.
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Lots of people used to say bowls were meaningless.
Now, they really are.
A big thank you to all the pencil neck "pay the players" and "we want playoffs" people.
Not.
I've always said the bowls were meaningless, outside of the select few that might involve a MNC matchup, and then the Bowl Alliance, and then the BCS.
It doesn't mean they weren't still fun to watch, but they were meaningless.
Too many variables change from the regular season to the bowls. The long layoffs, the awards banquet circuit and holidays interrupting proper nutrition and training, the opt-outs (which have increased recently but have been an issue for decades). And then there are plenty of coaches who've always treated it like practice for next year's squad, with very little actual game prep for the bowl opponent.
Mack Brown was famous for not giving a shit about the bowls and spending all of his time working on next year's team, outside of the Rose Bowls with MNC implications of course. It's pretty funny that he actually had a pretty good bowl record, because he did not care at all about the bowl games. It was always all about getting the younger players work for next season.
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Also, ranking the teams AND having the playoff seedings is stupid. Don't do that. Don't tell everyone the 20th and 24th-ranked teams are in the 12-team playoff.
Wouldn't we all prefer a playoff with Bama, Miami, and ND, and BYU in? You know, teams that might actually win some games?
We're admittedly putting in special Olympians in the actual Olympics here. I know that's a crass metaphor, but it fits.
DEI!
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To me, the bigger issue is that bowls used to be, on the whole, much more fun for fans, regardless of the layoffs and the difference in how coaches approached them. And now the rampant opt-outs and the utter irrelevance of "finishing the season on a high note" or the absence of the idea of "a good bowl" materially changes the perspective of the fan. At least this fan.
In the "old days," I'd rather be in the BCS title game or a BCS bowl game, sure, but, for example, getting the Capital One (Citrus) bowl against Penn St. was fun, something to look forward to, and, still kinda heart-breaking to lose. Now, I'd just assume all our players--and PSU'--who can opt out, will opt out, and I wouldn't particularly care about the outcome, since, as @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) puts it, the CFP sucks all the air out of the room.
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To me, the bigger issue is that bowls used to be, on the whole, much more fun for fans, regardless of the layoffs and the difference in how coaches approached them. And now the rampant opt-outs and the utter irrelevance of "finishing the season on a high note" or the absence of the idea of "a good bowl" materially changes the perspective of the fan. At least this fan.
In the "old days," I'd rather be in the BCS title game or a BCS bowl game, sure, but, for example, getting the Capital One (Citrus) bowl against Penn St. was fun, something to look forward to, and, still kinda heart-breaking to lose. Now, I'd just assume all our players--and PSU'--who can opt out, will opt out, and I wouldn't particularly care about the outcome, since, as @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) puts it, the CFP sucks all the air out of the room.
Yeah for sure. Like I said, they've always been meaningless, but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy them.
I went to the (second) 1995 Sugar Bowl when Texas played Virginia Tech. It was a meaningless exhibition but we still had a great time going to the game. Horns lost that one pretty badly but it was irrelevant.
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I went to the 2001 (season) Sugar Bowl w/ LSU vs. Illinois. Had a great time. Outside of learning that LSU fans in New Orleans, in the 'Dome are a much different breed of asshole than the fans at Death Valley home games.
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Notre Dame signed up with the ACC and dropped some of its Big Ten opponents in order to be more relevant.
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Yeah for sure. Like I said, they've always been meaningless, but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy them.
I went to the (second) 1995 Sugar Bowl when Texas played Virginia Tech. It was a meaningless exhibition but we still had a great time going to the game. Horns lost that one pretty badly but it was irrelevant.
The Coaches Poll officially moved to releasing its final rankings after the bowl games starting with the 1974 season (results announced in January 1975). This change came after several controversial split championships, including in 1970 and 1973, where the UPI Coaches Poll champion lost its bowl game, prompting the coaches to align with the Associated Press (AP) in voting post-bowl to acknowledge bowl outcomes.
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The Coaches Poll officially moved to releasing its final rankings after the bowl games starting with the 1974 season (results announced in January 1975). This change came after several controversial split championships, including in 1970 and 1973, where the UPI Coaches Poll champion lost its bowl game, prompting the coaches to align with the Associated Press (AP) in voting post-bowl to acknowledge bowl outcomes.
Yup, and aside from bowls with MNC implications, they were still just meaningless exhibitions.
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Here's how the BCS formula would rank and seed a top 16 playoff.
(https://media.surlyhorns.com/monthly_2025_12/IMG_7474.thumb.jpeg.cc0b2f9c74b3541012df2ae851018cc2.jpeg)
(I assume it's using the AP poll instead of the no-longer-existent "Harris Poll.")
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Here's how the BCS formula would rank and seed a top 16 playoff.
(I assume it's using the AP poll instead of the no-longer-existent "Harris Poll.")
I wonder if this is the last iteration.
It changed every year as well. For example, in 1998, a team lost a heartbreaker in double overtime in their CCG, and fell not only out of the BCS Championship game, but to the 4th tier bowl game for their conference.
5 years later, when that school defeated the #1 team 35-7 in the CCG, the loser remained in the top 2 and played for the MNC.
But anyway, I like the matchups better in this deal. Especially the 3 Big XII teams getting in over the paltry 1 that ESPN has presently allowed.
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Yup, and aside from bowls with MNC implications, they were still just meaningless exhibitions.
yup, unless your name is Medina and you're worried about top 10 and/or top 5 finishes in the polls
;)
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Robert Griffin III
There is no way the CFP committee can justify putting Alabama in the Playoff with 3 loses and 1 coming against a 5-7 Florida State team.
He left out the part about getting embarrassed in the last game they played, so out-physically played that they had MINUS 3 yards rushing.
He's simply not aware of the special rule. It's Alabama.
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Although Alabama might have kept some other more deserving team out, I'm 50% okay with their inclusion. Watching them crap the bed again against a legit team somewhere in the playoffs will make me happier than watching them win some scrub bowl game.
The 50% of me that's not okay with it would be happy with watching their meltdown over not being in the playoff.
I view this all as a win/win.
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Yeah for sure. Like I said, they've always been meaningless, but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy them.
I went to the (second) 1995 Sugar Bowl when Texas played Virginia Tech. It was a meaningless exhibition but we still had a great time going to the game. Horns lost that one pretty badly but it was irrelevant.
I think there's a difference between having no impact on the NC and being irrelevent.
They never used to feel irrelevent.
I think that changed with two things. Players opting out, and the conferences redoing their contracts to avoid repeat trips.
I know the OBC made fun of the fact that you can't spell Citrus without UT, but making a NYD bowl game meant something. I believe if MSU hadn't blown a 3 score lead against Indiana in 2022, they would have gone to the Citrus Bowl based on the Big Ten's contract of not repeating in 6 years or some such. That the best MD team that didn't reach a BCS bowl, the 10-2 team in 2017, went to the Holiday Bowl, because they hadn't been there in the prior 6 years, and a 6-6 team in 2022 would have been in a NYD bowl. There was no tiering to the bowl games anymore, and IMO that made them sort of whatever
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Looking at the bracket made it clear that the Badgers had a very tough schedule. They played 4 teams out of those 12.
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I think there's a difference between having no impact on the NC and being irrelevent.
They never used to feel irrelevent.
I think that changed with two things. Players opting out, and the conferences redoing their contracts to avoid repeat trips.
I know the OBC made fun of the fact that you can't spell Citrus without UT, but making a NYD bowl game meant something. I believe if MSU hadn't blown a 3 score lead against Indiana in 2022, they would have gone to the Citrus Bowl based on the Big Ten's contract of not repeating in 6 years or some such. That the best MD team that didn't reach a BCS bowl, the 10-2 team in 2017, went to the Holiday Bowl, because they hadn't been there in the prior 6 years, and a 6-6 team in 2022 would have been in a NYD bowl. There was no tiering to the bowl games anymore, and IMO that made them sort of whatever
I've never assigned them any relevance. If you did, that's fine, but that sentiment is not, and has never been, universal.
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Yup, and aside from bowls with MNC implications, they were still just meaningless exhibitions.
I always find the phrase “meaningless exhibitions“ kind of weird. Meaninglessness is in the eye of the beholder, and all of sports are basically an exhibition of some point or another.
They were meaningless in trying to determine a national champion. And I suppose it rests, again, in the eye of the beholder how broadly that meaninglessness is held.
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I always find the phrase “meaningless exhibitions“ kind of weird. Meaninglessness is in the eye of the beholder, and all of sports are basically an exhibition of some point or another.
They were meaningless in trying to determine a national champion. And I suppose it rests, again, in the eye of the beholder how broadly that meaninglessness is held.
See my above response to AAA.
And I'm not a hardcore "MNC or nothing" guy. It's not that the MNC matters and so all other bowl games do not. It's actually the opposite.
I've always understood the origin of bowl games, which were by definition post-season exhibitions. They didn't matter for conference standings because the conference regular season was over. Until the late 60s and early 70s, they didn't even impact the final wire service rankings. And even when that changed for good in 1974, they still only mattered if you really cared about the beauty pageant that was the subjectively voted final Top 20 or Top 25.
I always wanted my team to win rather than lose, of course, but there's just not that much of import on the line in the bowl games outside of a subjective and sometimes arbitrary ranking of teams from some biased sportswriters and/or coaches.
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Skicat used to refer to bowl season as "silly season."
The team motivated to actually be there could blow the doors off the more talented/better team. With that comes the crowing/crying over the result.
Can we go back to circa 1996? I didn't really have a problem with the polls and the possibility of having co-champs. I mentioned 2003 in another post, that was the last co-champ result we will ever have, presumably.
Playoffs generate more money I guess, and I guess the student-athlete aspect has long since been abandoned. That was an argument against playoffs back in the day--playing friggin 16 games like it's the NFL.
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yup, unless your name is Medina and you're worried about top 10 and/or top 5 finishes in the polls
;)
I do view these things as a measure of relative program strength. In that context, whether or not you finish in the top-5/10 THIS year is almost completely irrelevant but that you have 15 of the last 30 years matters. The "15" in my example there isn't all that important. Ie, 15 isn't all that much better than 14 nor all that much worse than 16 but it is a lot different from 5 or 25.
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Skicat used to refer to bowl season as "silly season."
The team motivated to actually be there could blow the doors off the more talented/better team. With that comes the crowing/crying over the result.
Can we go back to circa 1996? I didn't really have a problem with the polls and the possibility of having co-champs. I mentioned 2003 in another post, that was the last co-champ result we will ever have, presumably.
Playoffs generate more money I guess, and I guess the student-athlete aspect has long since been abandoned. That was an argument against playoffs back in the day--playing friggin 16 games like it's the NFL.
This one always rang hollow to me. The state champs and runners-up in Texas high school football have played 15 games since before I was born.
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NYD games meant a lot to me and I considered them an accomplishment. Always a good game against a quality SEC team, or the Rose Bowl (or an occasional Orange/Sugar/Fiesta).
Music City was a lot of fun. Of course, it's Nashville so it's pretty hard to not have fun there.
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I believe bowl season lasting an entire month has changed a lot of perception.
Way back when, when I was watching nearly all the big bowls, on actual New Year's Day --- it felt bigger, and better. (TWSS)
Who can keep up now....games every day. PFFFFTTTT
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I always find the phrase “meaningless exhibitions“ kind of weird. Meaninglessness is in the eye of the beholder, and all of sports are basically an exhibition of some point or another.
They were meaningless in trying to determine a national champion. And I suppose it rests, again, in the eye of the beholder how broadly that meaninglessness is held.
Here are your beholders:
(https://i.imgur.com/i9lceRF.png)
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See my above response to AAA.
And I'm not a hardcore "MNC or nothing" guy. It's not that the MNC matters and so all other bowl games do not. It's actually the opposite.
I've always understood the origin of bowl games, which were by definition post-season exhibitions. They didn't matter for conference standings because the conference regular season was over. Until the late 60s and early 70s, they didn't even impact the final wire service rankings. And even when that changed for good in 1974, they still only mattered if you really cared about the beauty pageant that was the subjectively voted final Top 20 or Top 25.
I always wanted my team to win rather than lose, of course, but there's just not that much of import on the line in the bowl games outside of a subjective and sometimes arbitrary ranking of teams from some biased sportswriters and/or coaches.
I guess I look at the bolded part and feel like it sort of warps things a bit.
For the vast majority of college football games, there's not that much of import on the line, and what is important is important to a relatively small group in the vast tapestry of all this. Now I acknowledge, a bowl is lesser, but I think declaring it meaningless exhibition feeds a corrosive attitude that reduces the meaning it could have. And while that meaning ain't as high as Texas-Texas A&M, it seems like the minor meaning should be worth celebrating to a degree.
It's a football game. There's spirit of competition. There's people who put in a bunch of work getting to do the thing they like doing, working together, for the 13th time all year, and it can entertain us. All that work, and they don't get that many chances to put that to use, so a last one doesn't seem like the worst outcome. And if they win, the joy of victory looks pretty sweet, even if it's after winning in Boise or Yankee Stadium.
Growing up, a parent often told me when I didn't want to do something, you can look at it as shit or look at it as gold. I don't think bowls are gold, don't get me wrong. But wanting to call them meaningless exhibitions (and this is not to pick on you, just in general) strikes as looking at them as shit for the sake of doing so. The hipster urge to be cool by not caring.
I guess I come back to the idea football should be cool and fun, if possible. Hopefully that's true of small high schools to big colleges to the NFL. Preemptively dampening the cool/fun factor for these games, which has become sort of a corrosive common attitude, just seems like taking away from possible joy for ... I don't really know why.
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Here are your beholders:
(https://i.imgur.com/i9lceRF.png)
So I think those are kind of an interesting mix.
I think ND is being up in its feelings pissy, and K-State is also somewhat in that bag. Iowa State seems like a logistics thing, though I wish they'd try. The other ones are kind of up in the air because I don't know if they'd planned for that.
Like if you thought you were done, cleaned out the lockers, did end-of-season meetings, and then have to call everyone back, I can see how you would not do that, especially if you had a disappointing year.
But I also think a lot of this is from that creeping cynicism discussed above. And I don't give much credit for that.
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So I think those are kind of an interesting mix.
I think ND is being up in its feelings pissy, and K-State is also somewhat in that bag. Iowa State seems like a logistics thing, though I wish they'd try. The other ones are kind of up in the air because I don't know if they'd planned for that.
Like if you thought you were done, cleaned out the lockers, did end-of-season meetings, and then have to call everyone back, I can see how you would not do that, especially if you had a disappointing year.
But I also think a lot of this is from that creeping cynicism discussed above. And I don't give much credit for that.
I think the creeping cynicism is there, because we KNOW -- these mercenary players don't give a RIP, so naturally we fans have thumbed our noses at the entire deal.
I wish I could put my fingers in my ears and pretend that these players are loyal to our universities (like we falsely believed before), but the bloom is off the rose. They'd screw over your team, my team, and anyone else's, for a damn nickel.
The mystique has gone the way of the DoDo.
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Money is the root of much evil.
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I think the creeping cynicism is there, because we KNOW -- these mercenary players don't give a RIP, so naturally we fans have thumbed our noses at the entire deal.
I wish I could put my fingers in my ears and pretend that these players are loyal to our universities (like we falsely believed before), but the bloom is off the rose. They'd screw over your team, my team, and anyone else's, for a damn nickel.
The mystique has gone the way of the DoDo.
That means you don't care about the whole kit and caboodle then. Which is fine, but it's specifically about bowls.
(Alas, the money thing flows from the top down. Coaches and admins model behavior, athletes follow)
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That means you don't care about the whole kit and caboodle then. Which is fine, but it's specifically about bowls.
(Alas, the money thing flows from the top down. Coaches and admins model behavior, athletes follow)
That means you don't care far less about the whole kit and caboodle then. Which is fine, but it's specifically about bowls, which I care even far less about.
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So I think those are kind of an interesting mix.
I think ND is being up in its feelings pissy, and K-State is also somewhat in that bag. Iowa State seems like a logistics thing, though I wish they'd try.
Just curious what you believe the difference in KSU/ISU is to make that statement in the circumstances that exist.
One coach retired, another took a different job, and their respective successors are each coaching the team they have been employed by in the playoffs/bowl games.
Maybe I'm giving a different impression of K-State fans--I'm in the minority, at least among the very loud people that have voiced their learned opinions online--in supporting declining this year.
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Just curious what you believe the difference in KSU/ISU is to make that statement in the circumstances that exist.
One coach retired, another took a different job, and their respective successors are each coaching the team they have been employed by in the playoffs/bowl games.
Maybe I'm giving a different impression of K-State fans--I'm in the minority, at least among the very loud people that have voiced their learned opinions online--in supporting declining this year.
My basic thought was that a coach who is retiring can finish coaching out the season. Unless he isn’t actually retiring and is instead getting fired.
And I should say, if ISU was in position to send enough of a roster and staff, I think it would be good to do it. My guess was that they may not be in that position.
Some of the punctuation has me a little confused. You are fine with declining, but most people aren’t? Or the other way around?
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This one always rang hollow to me. The state champs and runners-up in Texas high school football have played 15 games since before I was born.
Not to mention D3, the players that actually GO to class.
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My basic thought was that a coach who is retiring can finish coaching out the season. Unless he isn’t actually retiring and is instead getting fired.
And I should say, if ISU was in position to send enough of a roster and staff, I think it would be good to do it. My guess was that they may not be in that position.
Some of the punctuation has me a little confused. You are fine with declining, but most people aren’t? Or the other way around?
I feel the same. Kansas State opting out makes zero sense. Their coach can still coach the game. But then again, 11 5-7 teams also opted out, so maybe get rid of bowls
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Money is the root of much evil.
"Love of money" is how 1 Tim. 6:10 puts it.
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Looking at the bracket made it clear that the Badgers had a very tough schedule. They played 4 teams out of those 12.
Corngratulations
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If I was the HC of a 5-7 team, I'd decline, just out of principle.
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If I was the HC of a 5-7 team, I'd decline, just out of principle.
I understand that. Especially if you're accustomed to playing in bowls
if you've worked your way up to 5-7 from less than that, it's a great opportunity
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If Fro got one season as interim HC of the Gators, and he went 5-7, he'd take the bowl game.
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Money is the root of much evil.
You can give me a lot of your money.....you know.....just in case you need less evil in your life.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/notre-dame-legend-joe-theismann-questions-why-alabama-got-into-cfp-over-fighting-irish-it-s-so-wrong/ar-AA1RXnIQ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=3ef1fd95fa504a70946027c00efccaed&ei=25
Notre Dame legend Joe Theismann questions why Alabama got into CFP over Fighting Irish: 'It's so wrong'
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You can give me a lot of your money.....you know.....just in case you need less evil in your life.
Yup dicey prospects but a chance I'm willing to take
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I don't have enough to be evil with it.
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I feel the same. Kansas State opting out makes zero sense. Their coach can still coach the game. But then again, 11 5-7 teams also opted out, so maybe get rid of bowls
If it makes zero sense to you, you haven't delved very far into the circumstances.
I don't have time today. Fitz said a lot of things I have been saying. Independently, of course.
It's best that Kansas State passes on a bowl bid | Daily Delivery (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP6Lkn-jjd4)
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I don't have enough to be evil with it.
Then the threshold must be pretty high!
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seems to me the P4 leagues are woke to what ND is up to and have sent a message
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/notre-dame-legend-joe-theismann-questions-why-alabama-got-into-cfp-over-fighting-irish-it-s-so-wrong/ar-AA1RXnIQ?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=3ef1fd95fa504a70946027c00efccaed&ei=25
Notre Dame legend Joe Theismann questions why Alabama got into CFP over Fighting Irish: 'It's so wrong'
F Joe and his leprechaun
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Final SOR/SP+ bracket
#12 Tulane at #5 OREGON; winner vs. #4 Texas A&M
#11 James Madison at #6 Texas Tech; winner vs. #3 OHIO STATE
#10 Alabama at #7 Ole Miss; winner vs. #2 Georgia
#9 Notre Dame at #8 Oklahoma; winner vs. #1 INDIANA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rOVZMpAYxw
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Insufferable arrogance. Everyone needs to quit scheduling these asshats.
(https://i.imgur.com/1OWzAM6.jpeg)
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F Joe and his leprechaun
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I sort of a agree but Bama they have better losses than bama so at least put them or Shorthorns in
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Insufferable arrogance. Everyone needs to quit scheduling these asshats.
(https://i.imgur.com/1OWzAM6.jpeg)
I dunno are Catholics allowed to blatantly lie like ND Recruiting is - asking for a friend?
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Insufferable arrogance. Everyone needs to quit scheduling these asshats.
(https://i.imgur.com/KxO9bxU.png)
cancel this one
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I wish they could have canceled that one and kept Pitt. This ND/Lambeau thing is a return for UW/ND in Soldier Field.
Barry was forever obsessed with wanting to play ND and finally got it. The dumbass.
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I'm sure it can still be canceled.
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Heavy penalty.
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Heavy penalty.
Sure, but it's only money and the B1G is swimming in the stuff.
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I wish they could have canceled that one and kept Pitt. This ND/Lambeau thing is a return for UW/ND in Soldier Field.
Barry was forever obsessed with wanting to play ND and finally got it. The dumbass.
I know a ton of B1G fans hate Notre Dame, but they are a traditional CFB power, with a great, traveling fan base, that will get a lot of eyeballs on the game in the stands and on TV, coast to coast. From the AD's perspective, what's not to like about that? More likely to beat Pitt? Sure, but also get a lot less advantages from playing that game, even if the Badgers win, which is far from a good bet right now. And it's not like Wisconsin is threatening for a spot in the CFB playoff, which, if they had just beaten Pitt instead of losing to ND, they would have been a lock for. It will never work that way for Wisconsin. Irish fans will travel to Lambeau, drop a bunch of money in the state of Wisconsin, and get a bunch of exposure for the program. That's a good game to schedule.
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I just don't like the Lambeau thing.
I didn't like our (not)home-and-(not)home in 2014 and 2016. If we're gonna travel all the way up there and get our ass kicked and coach fired, at least let us do it in a rowdy, fun, storied college football place. So instead it happened in the Packers' house. Yay.
And y'all missed the best place in the world to play a night game with the best tailgates you'd have been invited to, before that. For what? The Texans sterile-ass stadium? Ugh.
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SEC Shorts - SEC teams board the Playoff Train
Thanx Bwarb pretty good one
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Insufferable arrogance. Everyone needs to quit scheduling these asshats.
[img width=259.818 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/1OWzAM6.jpeg[/img]
I'm rooting for the world.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rOVZMpAYxw
Priceless!😂
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I know a ton of B1G fans hate Notre Dame, but they are a traditional CFB power, with a great, traveling fan base, that will get a lot of eyeballs on the game in the stands and on TV, coast to coast. From the AD's perspective, what's not to like about that? More likely to beat Pitt? Sure, but also get a lot less advantages from playing that game, even if the Badgers win, which is far from a good bet right now. And it's not like Wisconsin is threatening for a spot in the CFB playoff, which, if they had just beaten Pitt instead of losing to ND, they would have been a lock for. It will never work that way for Wisconsin. Irish fans will travel to Lambeau, drop a bunch of money in the state of Wisconsin, and get a bunch of exposure for the program. That's a good game to schedule.
I don’t hate them. I like whipping their butts though.
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Ed Zachery!!!