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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on November 28, 2025, 07:22:00 AM
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Nubbz told me to throw up the thread this weekend because he ate too much gravy. Two continuous days of college football and basketball and leftovers and booze. Count me in.
Friday
- Iowa at Nebraska, Noon, CBS
- Ole Miss at Mississippi State, Noon, ABC
- Utah at Kansas, Noon, ESPN
- Georgia at Georgia Tech, 3:30, ABC
- Indiana at Purdue, 7:30, NBC
- TAMU at Texas, 7:30, ABC
- Arizona at Arizona State, 9 pm, FOX
Saturday
- OSU at Auburn North, Noon, FOX
- Texas Tech at West Virginia, Noon, ESPN
- Miami at Pitt, Noon, ABC
- UCF at BYU, 1, ESPN2
- Oregon at Washington, 3:30, CBS
- Wisconsin at Minnesota, 3:30, FS1
- PSU at Rutgers, 3:30, BTN
- LSU at Oklahoma, 3:30, ABC
- Vanderbilt at Tennessee, 3:30, ESPN
- Maryland at MSU, 7, FS1
- UCLA at USC, 7:30, NBC
- Northwestern at Illinois, 7:30, FOX
- Alabama at Auburn, 7:30, ABC
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obviously, NOT a big game nationally, but a big game in this region,,, Two 7-4 teams meet in Lincoln
8-4 with a chance at a 9th win in a bowl is a HELLUVA lot better than 7-5
not much chance of snow for the game but 27 degrees, 98% cloud cover, and 10mph breeze @ 11am kick make for a bleak football weather contest on the Plains
Can the Blackshirts stop the run, will the Frosh QB play well vs the solid Hawk defense???
Can the Hawks score a TD on defense or with special teams, the the transfer QB from South Dakota run for 100 yds?
If I were a betting man, I'd go with the under. less than 39.5 total
probably decided by a FG late in the 4th.
warm up the leftover gravy!
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Took a walk, maybe a shorter one than I wanted because the coffee wanted to run through me. Went to the store, chicken tenders on the managers special. 10 bucks for three pounds. Some homemade Raising Canes tonight.
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coffee is finished, Husker flag proudly waving from the pole in the backyard, laundry done (Lucky RED underwear & Socks)
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Gonna start the day with a quick Costco run, then EIU @ Purdue basketball. Figure I'll watch Da Bears over UGA/GT. Then I'll be watching IU @ Purdue, at least for a half a quarter or so until it gets out of hand.
All during that I'll be putting up Christmas decorations... Which is to say my job is to move stuff, lift stuff, and other general manual labor. Other than that, I set up the tree and light it, and do the outdoor lights. Can't help with hanging ornaments because my colorblindness makes it hard to spot any red ornaments on the tree.
We're ordering pizza tonight.
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If Wisconsin can win this weekend, it makes the current coaching staff seem modestly more palatable. Would be nice.
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same for the other Big Red
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Gonna flip between the Egg Bowl and Illinois-UConn basketball. Maybe sprinkle in some Nebraska
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Don't forget to catch Florida vs FSU on the Ocho!
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Just turned it on and Herky is cursing & swearing,cursing & swearing nice jaunt by the 'Skers
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Woke up this morning and started cleaning the house, was too tired to bother with it last night after the guests left.
Horns and Ags flags are both flying in the front yard.
Today I too will be putting up Christmas decorations. It'll take us several days to complete the task.
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Cleaning and decorating over football?
Mister Mom
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Football's on the TV of course.
My game's not until 6:30 PM, that's the one I'll actually stop and watch.
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The court at MSG is actively assaulting my eyes
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Today I too will be putting up Christmas decorations. It'll take us several days to complete the task.
Told Cindy it waits until Sunday, EVERY YEAR, her decorum rivals that of all the now faded Department stores of yore. And I didn't want her getting in the way in case I need to throw something at the TV . But some times I'm out at the local joints with chums and all the tubes are on one channel - don't need any warm up acts/side shows for the Main Event :111:
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The court at MSG is actively assaulting my eyes
Dafuq you watching hoops?
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Dafuq you watching hoops?
Iowa football is also an assault on my eyes
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Iowa football is also an assault on my eyes
Lol. This is a true statement. It’s ok, a lot of UM fans have transitioned to basketball already as well. If they haven’t, they should prep themselves better for the next 24 hours.
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You are supposed to wait until football season is over. Then you pivot and check in on the basketball team in order to see if they are any good this year. If so, then you hop right onto the bandwagon, and ride it out through the finish line.
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Getting the indoor stuff up today, wind chill in the teens, so outdoor stuff will be tomorrow, when its back up in the 40s
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Wow, Kansas trying to take a late lead over Utah, and Daniels throws a 100 yard pick six on a miscommunication
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With 40 points, Iowa is experiencing that moment as a kid when your dad has let go of the bicycle seat and isn't running with you anymore, and you just turned around to discover you're riding it on your own. That moment of adrenaline, pride, and joy.
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They did it to Wisconsin too
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Interested in this Georgia-Tech game and whether they can roll them up like old times or if Tech has something like last year.
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WTF a huge call against Tech as they are driving, which changes the entire game, and the announcers don't even mention it, must less show a replay. Bizarre.
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GaTech has one last chance but they need to go 75 yards in 14 seconds
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That is not a score anyone predicted. 16-9.
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They did it to Wisconsin too
what did the badgers do to you?
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With 40 points, Iowa is experiencing that moment as a kid when your dad has let go of the bicycle seat and isn't running with you anymore, and you just turned around to discover you're riding it on your own. That moment of adrenaline, pride, and joy.
For what's it worth, Iowa has scored 40+ points in a game 7 times in the last 2 years. Including 5 BigTen games against Washington, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Nebraska
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That is not a score anyone predicted. 16-9.
I guess chalk it up to being a rivalry? Tech's defense sucks but somehow Georgia's passing game approached Brian Ferentz levels of ineptitude.
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Two goddamn plays into the game and you throw a goddamn pick?!?!
I have a feeling I'll be changing the channel earlier than planned tonight...
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Two goddamn plays into the game and you throw a goddamn pick?!?!
I have a feeling I'll be changing the channel earlier than planned tonight...
Well at least you have pizza
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Looking like the sec refs have been told to make sure aTm stays undefeated
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With 40 points, Iowa is experiencing that moment as a kid when your dad has let go of the bicycle seat and isn't running with you anymore, and you just turned around to discover you're riding it on your own. That moment of adrenaline, pride, and joy.
Or, they just played a really, really *not great* defense.
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Or, they just played a really, really *not great* defense.
Iowa is a damn good football team. Full stop.
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With 40 points, Iowa is experiencing that moment as a kid when your dad has let go of the bicycle seat and isn't running with you anymore, and you just turned around to discover you're riding it on your own. That moment of adrenaline, pride, and joy.
Knowing Iowa, it'll soon be replaced by the sheer terror of realizing you don't know how to stop :57:
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Iowa is a damn good football team. Full stop.
Hope we get them in a bowl game. Always good for a 4 TD beatdown.
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that's the game,drive home safely
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How far will aTm fall?
Their SEC schedule was laughable:
- Beat 0-7 Arkansas
- Beat 1-7 MissSt
- Beat 1-7 USCe
- Beat 1-6 Auburn
- Beat 2-6 Florida
- Beat 3-4 Mizzou
- Beat 3-4 LSU
- Lost to 6-2 Texas
They'll only have a win over a .500 SEC team if Mizzou beats Arkansas or LSU upsets Oklahoma. No matter what happens they will be 7-2 despite not beating any team with a winning record in the league.
Their only quality win is the win over Notre Dame.
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For what's it worth, Iowa has scored 40+ points in a game 7 times in the last 2 years. Including 5 BigTen games against Washington, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Nebraska
Yep. I guess I shouldn't joke anymore.
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Man today is like waking up on Christmas used to be. I'm ready to be hurt again.
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How far will aTm fall?
Their SEC schedule was laughable:
- Beat 0-7 Arkansas
- Beat 1-7 MissSt
- Beat 1-7 USCe
- Beat 1-6 Auburn
- Beat 2-6 Florida
- Beat 3-4 Mizzou
- Beat 3-4 LSU
- Lost to 6-2 Texas
They'll only have a win over a .500 SEC team if Mizzou beats Arkansas or LSU upsets Oklahoma. No matter what happens they will be 7-2 despite not beating any team with a winning record in the league.
Their only quality win is the win over Notre Dame.
Yeah, I mean, this is why the overall confidence in the Ags from the national mediots was baffling, and why most Longhorn fans I know felt pretty good about predicting a Texas victory.
That said, they're still a very good team and they're having a great season. It'll be interesting to see how they match up against the elite in the post-season.
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Or, they just played a really, really *not great* defense.
I realized this during the Cincinnati game in Arrowhead
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Gotta be tough to be a Gopher fan.
The snow has started here at the RGWHQ, and a winter weather advisory will be on for today's game. 3-5 inches in the Twin Cities, and if the Badgers try going back to Madison tonight, it'll be a long, slow slog.
This is going to be like 2015 Ohio State, snow with temps in the 20s.
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Yeah, I mean, this is why the overall confidence in the Ags from the national mediots was baffling, and why most Longhorn fans I know felt pretty good about predicting a Texas victory.
That said, they're still a very good team and they're having a great season. It'll be interesting to see how they match up against the elite in the post-season.
I'm definitely not saying that they aren't a good team but the issue of highly variable league schedules is something we are all adjusting to. It is weird.
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Pete Thamel reports Tate and Smith will play
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Hack squats are hard
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Gotta be tough to be a Gopher fan.
The snow has started here at the RGWHQ, and a winter weather advisory will be on for today's game. 3-5 inches in the Twin Cities, and if the Badgers try going back to Madison tonight, it'll be a long, slow slog.
This is going to be like 2015 Ohio State, snow with temps in the 20s.
This would be a good game to move to the dome.
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Mother Hayes lecturing young Woody on Michigan
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This would be a good game to move to the dome.
blasphemy!!!
they have a heated field
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This would be a good game to move to the dome.
No.
Next question.
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We're supposed to go over to the BIL's house later. But it turns out one of the packages I ordered yesterday morning is going to already be out for delivery this afternoon, and requires a signature...
Guess I'll just have to stay home and watch football.
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Gus & Joel anywhere near a microphone is abuse to all within earshot and broadcasting malpractice. They shouldn't be calling High School Games. And Fox has M* Slappie Dave Porntoy on the stage,how do subterranean freaks like this even get air time? He's not intelligent,prepared or informed but ya lets put him on. Mdot on a bad day would be much more illuminating
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We're supposed to go over to the BIL's house later. But it turns out one of the packages I ordered yesterday morning is going to already be out for delivery this afternoon, and requires a signature...
Guess I'll just have to stay home and watch football.
Darn.
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This week end after all the Turkey I'm a gonna go back to offing myself with Doritos,Brats & Beers
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I just pulled a couple Omaha strip steaks outta the freezer to thaw.
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What I heard while getting out of bed this morning:
“Wisconsin, who rejected my boy, can go F>€# themselves.”
And so it begins…
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I've seen dualing reviews on Omaha steaks, so I've never ordered any. We have a good, if expensive, butcher shop near us, and I find Costco beef to be quite good, so I've stuck with the known. The stuff has gotten really $$$$$$$.
The UGA offense had shown some life of late until yesterday, Tech seemed to be doing a great job with coverage of the WRs and TEs. Every team has some warts that can show up unexpectedly. My GUESS is OSU takes care of business and gets that 1 seed in thhe CFP. My guess is Indiana falls to 5, if the lose in the CG. UGA would get the 2 if they win their CG, I don't know how far they will or should fall with an L. The ACC champ is going to be ... 9+ I suspect. Texas Tech could get 3 and maybe Indiana snags 4.
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Taking wagars on any fights in the tunnel today?
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At my normal ohio state bar and a guy with a Michigan shirt just showed up. Glutton for punishment
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Waking up late after not sleeping well all week.
Had to answer several on-call situations between watching football games yesterday.
Missed Georgia’s win over Georgia Tech. Arch Manning is playing up to his hype and led Texas to a solid win over Texas A&M. And my Arizona Wildcats let Arizona State hang around well into the second half before finally pulling away for a 23-7 win to conclude an unexpectedly successful 9-3 season.
One hour from the big kickoff!
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What I heard while getting out of bed this morning:
“Wisconsin, who rejected my boy, can go F>€# themselves.”
And so it begins…
My son and wife were pulling for A&M yesterday b/c they accepted him.
I do understand, but it's not like Texas rejected him... He didn't even apply to UT.
In other news, we have an actual Michigan ornament on the tree. I had forgotten that my wife bought it when we took my son to Ann Arbor [buying ornaments on travel is one of our things]. I took a picture of it and sent it to my Wolverine buddy with the caption "I feel dirty".
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I've seen dualing reviews on Omaha steaks, so I've never ordered any. We have a good, if expensive, butcher shop near us, and I find Costco beef to be quite good, so I've stuck with the known. The stuff has gotten really $$$$$$$.
I've noticed that my Costco has been carrying "American Wagyu" steaks. I've bought them twice now, and they're very good. They are by no means marbled like actual real Japanese A5 Wagyu, but they also aren't as expensive as real Japanese A5 Wagyu.
When I bought the filets for Steaksgiving, I ended up with the American Wagyu as Costco only had that or USDA Choice, and the marbling on the American Wagyu was FAR more extensive than on the Choice steaks. They were moderately more expensive, but not so much that there was any reason to try to save a few bucks given that we were having guests... They were tender and delicious, with the marbling providing more flavor than you typically get from a filet.
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What I heard while getting out of bed this morning:
“Wisconsin, who rejected my boy, can go F>€# themselves.”
And so it begins…
Will he be at the New Brickhouse today?
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I've seen dualing reviews on Omaha steaks, so I've never ordered any. We have a good, if expensive, butcher shop near us, and I find Costco beef to be quite good, so I've stuck with the known. The stuff has gotten really $$$$$$$.
Omaha steaks are good, just too expensive
I don't buy 'em.
These were a gift from my financial advisor. I recommended him to some friends of mine and they opened up an account.
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In other news, we have an actual Michigan ornament on the tree. I had forgotten that my wife bought it when we took my son to Ann Arbor [buying ornaments on travel is one of our things]. I took a picture of it and sent it to my Wolverine buddy with the caption "I feel dirty".
Okay feel free to take it down now 😈
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and be careful not to step on it ;)
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I was "pulling" for Texas but with an undercurrrent of hoping they lost. This duality shouldn't exist but does.
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At least my wife had the sense to put it on the backside of the tree.
The Purdue and UCSB ornaments are front and center.
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Omaha steaks are good, just too expensive
I don't buy 'em.
These were a gift from my financial advisor. I recommended him to some friends of mine and they opened up an account.
damn for a dirt farmer that mattress money must have turned some heads to get an FA to comp you like that. Last time I was in, I got a couple of cups of Joe and that was it. Even the bookie use to comp a few fish bowls
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At least my wife had the sense to put it on the backside of the tree.
The Purdue and UCSB ornaments are front and center.
are they the fighting banana slugs or some such?
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Yeah, I mean, this is why the overall confidence in the Ags from the national mediots was baffling, and why most Longhorn fans I know felt pretty good about predicting a Texas victory.
That said, they're still a very good team and they're having a great season. It'll be interesting to see how they match up against the elite in the post-season.
I said before the game that I felt like the teams were very evenly matched. I did not feel confident at all.
As far as the schedule, we played what they gave us. Any given year when you’ve got Florida, LSU, Mizzou, and Texas it would be considered a tough schedule. I believe LSU was ranked in the Top 10-15 when we played them as well, and we destroyed them in BR. If any of the other teams had beat us it could have altered their entire season. Especially LSU. Remember, Texas would have a shot at the CCG if they had beat a bad Florida team.
I really wanted to make it to the SEC CCG. Even if we lost, the chance to win the SEC is a big deal.
I don’t exactly know how the CFP works but they’re saying we will most likely get a first round game at home. Not sure who the projected opponent would be, but even if we play 1-2 more games we get an opportunity to win some more games and prove that we’re a great team and not some fluke. Of course, we could also prove the naysayers right, so there’s that.
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A&M at 11-1 is a sure bet to get a first round game at home, meaning ranked 5-8. They might drop to 6-7.
And they are in the barn. Auburn is another barn.
I rather hope they upset the Tide.
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damn for a dirt farmer that mattress money must have turned some heads to get an FA to comp you like that. Last time I was in, I got a couple of cups of Joe and that was it. Even the bookie use to comp a few fish bowls
oh, my bookie used to comp dinner & drinks each season
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If Auburn beats Alabama it puts A&M in the SEC CCG, I think.
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My son and wife were pulling for A&M yesterday b/c they accepted him.
I do understand, but it's not like Texas rejected him... He didn't even apply to UT.
In other news, we have an actual Michigan ornament on the tree. I had forgotten that my wife bought it when we took my son to Ann Arbor [buying ornaments on travel is one of our things]. I took a picture of it and sent it to my Wolverine buddy with the caption "I feel dirty".
Remind me, what is he studying? Nuclear engineering?
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My FA back in the day would usually host a dinner somewhere for many of his clients.
I think I learned a lot by watching what they did and asking a lot of questions. My guess is I've done better over the past decade than they would have done.
But, that was mostly luck. I had a few drop hard also.
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I'm hoping for all of the 4 and 5 loss teams to lose today, except Wisconsin.
Backing into a bowl with 5 wins would go a long way toward development for next year - especially for the true freshman QB.
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I said before the game that I felt like the teams were very evenly matched. I did not feel confident at all.
As far as the schedule, we played what they gave us. Any given year when you’ve got Florida, LSU, Mizzou, and Texas it would be considered a tough schedule. I believe LSU was ranked in the Top 10-15 when we played them as well, and we destroyed them in BR. If any of the other teams had beat us it could have altered their entire season. Especially LSU. Remember, Texas would have a shot at the CCG if they had beat a bad Florida team.
I really wanted to make it to the SEC CCG. Even if we lost, the chance to win the SEC is a big deal.
I don’t exactly know how the CFP works but they’re saying we will most likely get a first round game at home. Not sure who the projected opponent would be, but even if we play 1-2 more games we get an opportunity to win some more games and prove that we’re a great team and not some fluke. Of course, we could also prove the naysayers right, so there’s that.
I get it. Ohio State has a similar situation. At the beginning of the year the schedule looked crazy with #1 and #2 but that #1 is a 9-3 team that will probably miss the playoffs and #2 fired their coach and is playing for bowl eligibility today.
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Well I'm off have fun boys and as always Screw the Blue :cheer:
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If Auburn beats Alabama it puts A&M in the SEC CCG, I think.
From what I read that would be the case only if Ole Miss had lost the Egg Bowl
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I get it. Ohio State has a similar situation. At the beginning of the year the schedule looked crazy with #1 and #2 but that #1 is a 9-3 team that will probably miss the playoffs and #2 fired their coach and is playing for bowl eligibility today.
I think Texas has a very good chance to make the playoffs. Not a fan of his but like Starkiss ( I can never remember how to spell his name-Sirkisian?) says they beat 3 top ten teams this season, lost at Ohio State by 1 score, and played a good game @Uga. 10-2 Texas gets in for sure. Is that really the message they want to send? Play easy non-con games, get into the playoffs? That Ohio St-Texas games had ratings through the roof, I’m assuming they want more like that.
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are they the fighting banana slugs or some such?
Santa Cruz is the banana slugs
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Santa Barbara is the gauchos
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Remind me, what is he studying? Nuclear engineering?
Yep. Still a HS senior, but intending on NucE.
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Yep. Still a HS senior, but intending on NucE.
A&M is supposed to have one of the best. I think they’re expanding it and building a SNR or whatever this new class of NR are called near campus.
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I think Texas has a very good chance to make the playoffs. Not a fan of his but like Starkiss ( I can never remember how to spell his name-Sirkisian?) says they beat 3 top ten teams this season, lost at Ohio State by 1 score, and played a good game @Uga. 10-2 Texas gets in for sure. Is that really the message they want to send? Play easy non-con games, get into the playoffs? That Ohio St-Texas games had ratings through the roof, I’m assuming they want more like that.
obviously, depends on the 1-loss and 2-loss teams
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Gus & Joel anywhere near a microphone is abuse to all within earshot and broadcasting malpractice. They shouldn't be calling High School Games. And Fox has M* Slappie Dave Porntoy on the stage,how do subterranean freaks like this even get air time? He's not intelligent,prepared or informed but ya lets put him on. Mdot on a bad day would be much more illuminating
Paul Keels
https://www.971thefan.com/show/
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A&M is supposed to have one of the best. I think they’re expanding it and building a SNR or whatever this new class of NR are called near campus.
Yeah, I understand they're quite good, whereas I don't think UT even has a dedicated NucE undergrad program. Which knocked Austin off the list.
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Gus is talkin - volume DOWN
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Gus is talkin - volume OFF
FIFY
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Gus is awesome. I support Gus.
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Surprised UM didn't go for it there
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Gus has M/OSU on one of my little TV's with no volume. The guy sucks to no end.
Miami/Pitt on the big TV with volume. Clemson/USCe on the other little one.
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Gus is talkin - volume DOWN
Gus is YELLING - volume off.
We all need to write a letter, so Fox cans his insufferable ass.
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What's Hill chirpin' about after they just have up a 20 yard pass?
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WTF
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In what world is that not an ejection?
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Can't believe he is not gone
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That has to be an ejection. Michigan is EXCEPTIONALLY lucky that he’s still in the game. Truly baffling.
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Gus is YELLING - volume off.
We all need to write a letter, so Fox cans his insufferable ass.
They'd view it as engagement and give him a raise.
That's why ESPN has ruined itself with Stephen A, the Dallas reporter guy who left, and Mad Dog Whoever.
I actually saw a video link on ESPN's website with Smith and Mad Dog debating college football.....there are not 2 less-qualified humans to talk college football. But since they're full-volume, all hot-take zero knowledge, the masses watch and they get more money.
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The A&M vs Texas game is why I don't bet on college football. I thought an A&M blowout was more likely than a Texas win.
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never wager on rivalry games
especially when pickin the visiting team
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The A&M vs Texas game is why I don't bet on college football. I thought an A&M blowout was more likely than a Texas win.
Man, you only had to look at who each team had played-- and beaten-- to know that Texas getting blown out was highly unlikely. Also, away games were particularly terrible for Texas, while the Horns played much better at home and neutral sites.
I was pretty confident in a Texas win at home, but I knew the Ags weren't gonna roll over or go quietly. If that game had been in College Station, I think pretty much the opposite would have happened, with Ags winning somewhere around that same 27-17 score.
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That looks aggressive.
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Love the snow shower on the closeups
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Love the snow shower on the closeups
Yeah that's what a Michigan-Ohio State game should look like. Awesome!
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That looks aggressive.
Looks more aggressive than it actually was.
Definitely worth a penalty, and given that it was a ref, I'm also at least a LITTLE bit surprised that he wasn't tossed. One of the dumbest things I think I've seen a player do in a long time. Along the lines of "dropping the ball just before you cross the goal line" level dumb.
But that pic looks like he bashed him with the helmet, when in reality he lightly contacted the ref's face.
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Hell yes give me more single coverage on Jeremiah Smith
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Buckeyes seem very committed to the running game
not sure why
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I wonder if they will bring in the Washtenaw County DA on this one?
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I know the smart play is to trade down, since you aren't taking a QB, but it would be hard to pass on Reese at 1-1
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I think Texas has a very good chance to make the playoffs. Not a fan of his but like Starkiss ( I can never remember how to spell his name-Sirkisian?) says they beat 3 top ten teams this season, lost at Ohio State by 1 score, and played a good game @Uga. 10-2 Texas gets in for sure. Is that really the message they want to send? Play easy non-con games, get into the playoffs? That Ohio St-Texas games had ratings through the roof, I’m assuming they want more like that.
This.
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In what world is that not an ejection?
Apparently no rules apply to these dirtbags.
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This.
I hope that's true. But I won't complain if Texas is omitted, we had plenty of chances. The loss to Florida is a really bad one.
But of course, if Texas had scheduled and played Georgia State at home in the season's first game instead of Ohio State on the road, as Ole Miss did, then the Horns would be 10-2 and an obvious playoff participant.
It'll be interesting to see what the committee does with that.
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I think Texas has a very good chance to make the playoffs. Not a fan of his but like Starkiss ( I can never remember how to spell his name-Sirkisian?) says they beat 3 top ten teams this season, lost at Ohio State by 1 score, and played a good game @Uga. 10-2 Texas gets in for sure. Is that really the message they want to send? Play easy non-con games, get into the playoffs? That Ohio St-Texas games had ratings through the roof, I’m assuming they want more like that.
Much though I hate the dirty cheaters, the same thing applies to Michigan concerning their game at Oklahoma.
I don't want the committee to discourage games like tOSU/TX and OU/M
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Will he be at the New Brickhouse today?
No, he’s home (visiting with his GF—and sort of us) today.
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Much though I hate the dirty cheaters, the same thing applies to Michigan concerning their game at Oklahoma.
I don't want the committee to discourage games like tOSU/TX and OU/M
It's been this way since the dawn of man. There is risk/reward because if you win you have a big leg up on the others.
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are they the fighting banana slugs or some such?
UCSB are the Gauchos.
Santa Cruz are the Banana Slugs.
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Halftime Ohio State up 17-9.
This game feels a lot like watching the Arizona-ASU rivalry game last night. An experienced, senior-laden Wildcats team stuck to a gameplan that should've doomed ASU from the get go, a gameplan designed to take exploit ASU's limitations due to injuries to star Sun Devils on offense, particular at QB where the downfield passing game wasn't working.
But because it's a rivalry, and with the backing of home crowd, an outmanned ASU was able to do every last little thing to hang around. Despite statistically dominating the game it took Arizona well into the 4th quarter to pull away.
That's what the Big Game feels like thus far, with us all waiting for a favored Ohio State to break away.
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Much though I hate the dirty cheaters, the same thing applies to Michigan concerning their game at Oklahoma.
I don't want the committee to discourage games like tOSU/TX and OU/M
I use to be able to root for scUM outside of ohio state but with the blatant cheating and doubling down on it. I want that team to lose every game, to have the stadium to collapse for the college to fold. For the earth to split and swallow ann arbor, the big whore
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Keeping my beer on my mantle because I keep jumping up and pace around
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I use to be able to root for scUM outside of ohio state but with the blatant cheating and doubling down on it. I want that team to lose every game, to have the stadium to collapse for the college to fold. For the earth to split and swallow ann arbor, the big whore
Same here. The total lack of contrition and all the lies by the school as an institution, their trustees, their coaches, and their fans is just too much.
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game over
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Like that!
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so, I flip to the Pitt game,......... it's over
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so, I flip to the Pitt game,......... it's over
This felt like the most Pitt moment ever, which means they pull the rug out
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Clemson/USCe is pretty good.
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Greetings from the Hoth system
Don't know why the picture is upside down
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Texas Tech - West Virginia isn't so much a game, as a gangland style execution.
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UCSB are the Gauchos.
Santa Cruz are the Banana Slugs.
Interesting is that all 10 UC schools have blue & gold as their school colors. I never knew that before meeting my UCSB wife...
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Texas Tech - West Virginia isn't so much a game, as a gangland style execution.
I keep forgetting RichRod is at WVU again
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G68iUcmXEAAYn0t?format=jpg&name=medium)
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The fact that UM is leaning so hard into Mr. Brightside, which is a great song, is hilarious, considering I'm guessing they didn't look up what it means
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Insane 50 yd Pass & Catch into the Wind & Snow by Justin Sayin & Carnell Tate:
https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1994850845360615594
game over
Michigan knows they will lose; expecting Michigan to start a fight. This rivalry brings out the sore losers on both sidelines.
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We're going to mess around and wind up with Texas Tech as the national champions - a team no one has paid attention to all season. The Anonymous Champions.
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Insane 50 yd Pass & Catch into the Wind & Snow by Justin Sayin & Carnell Tate:
https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1994850845360615594
Michigan knows they will lose; expecting Michigan to start a fight. This rivalry brings out the sore losers on both sidelines.
You mean losing so many years in a row that you create the worst cheating scheme in college football. Think only one did that
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Greetings from the Hoth system
Don't know why the picture is upside down
You sure you are not in the Stranger Things Universe?
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We're going to mess around and wind up with Texas Tech as the national champions - a team no one has paid attention to all season. The Anonymous Champions.
They are legit really good and also would be left out of the playoffs if the don't win their championship game
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Wisconsin's true freshman starting QB from North Fort Myers embracing the snow.
Love it. Looks focused.
(https://i.imgur.com/yJ77Fnt.png)
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OSU looks really good.
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They are legit really good and also would be left out of the playoffs if the don't win their championship game
Oil money and a crap schedule will make a team look good.
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Big Game always delivers the smack:
(https://i.imgur.com/FBS59BW.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4wJwZPP.png)
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We're going to mess around and wind up with Texas Tech as the national champions - a team no one has paid attention to all season. The Anonymous Champions.
Texas Tech and "no one has paid" do not belong in the same sentence
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(https://i.imgur.com/8xxPQCo.png)
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Well, BYU flipped that one quickly
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Put the nail in the skunk weasels coffin
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Why pay Underwood if you dont let him do anything?
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We're going to mess around and wind up with Texas Tech as the national champions - a team no one has paid attention to all season. The Anonymous Champions.
I know yer just bein silly to stir the pot
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Why pay Underwood if you dont let him do anything?
less than 60 total yards?
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I don't really blame #1 for removing his helmet - especially if he's a senior
I wouldn't have done it, but..........
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Day don't be magnanimous in the post game. Tell it like it is
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We're going to mess around and wind up with Texas Tech as the national champions - a team no one has paid attention to all season. The Anonymous Champions.
I don't care who it is...
...as long as it's not Indiana.
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Southern @ Grambling on NBC???
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Not a lot of expectations in the SF_____ household. A lot of mediocrity in Minneapolis.
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Florida looks hell-bent on getting our first 1,000 yard rusher since Fred Taylor's kid.
Crazy idea - feed your best player the rock. Nuts.
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Sun going down over Norman OK; stadium floodlights lights flickering on. Tied 3-3 nearing the half, LSU is winning the battle at the LOS. The Sooners have missed several chances to seize momentum. Too much at stake for Venables and staff to squander away this one.
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I don't care who it is...
...as long as it's not Indiana.
Or Notre Dame?
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Or Notre Dame?
Eh. As much as I absolutely hate Notre Dame--and I do--it's a different thing.
Honestly, Purdue/ND is not the level of rivalry as Purdue/IU because Notre Dame is a historical football power in a way that Purdue nor IU have ever been. It's always seemed like Notre Dame's football success hasn't really come at the expense of either program. Whereas between Purdue and IU, because we're often fighting for the same recruits and playing in conference, it seems like success for over the other is a zero sum game. So I realize that Notre Dame may someday have lightning strike and get another NC, because they come to the table with better recruits and more money than either Purdue or IU ever could. It's not like we're in the same class. But watching IU do it would probably give them momentum that would give them a 15-30 year advantage over Purdue in the places where we directly compete.
At this point I desperately want someone to come in and poach Cignetti because every year he's at IU not only helps them, it hurts Purdue. Because we're in direct competition most of the time.
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howdy-ho everyone,tough start for the OSU V M* but the Buckeye defense was as adverdised keeping M* out of the endzone.Not sure how the offensive line turned into Lombardi's Packers but they did.After that 4th and 5 TD toss Smith that surprised all of us the good guys never relinquished the lead. It's funny a whole bunch of us questioned why Day was stubbing his toes on bad running calls then goes deep - glad he got his redemption.Anyway was also enjoying The Goophs V the UW and the fighting Fickells - Big Ten weather right there
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helluva attempt at the one-handed catch by the Duck
I'd give it to him
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Touchdown Huskies! 19-14 Oregon with nine minutes to go
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Package is pretty good.
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Well the Huskies just went to the dogs
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LSU up 13-10 on the Sooners. Big game - Sooners probably out if they lose.
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Sooners win.
Cool to have snow for OSU @ UM.
Vandy is putting it on the Vols. This is officially the end times.
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why would the Big Ten have 3 games on at 6pm?
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why would the Big Ten have 3 games on at 6pm?
Because they only had 1 game on at noon
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poor reason in my opinion
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MSUs corners seem to never know whether they have safety help or not
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Because they only had 1 game on at noon
Good decision if you can get NBC and FOX
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My ears react to Kirk Herbstreit like some of you react to Gus Johnson. MUTE
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I usually mute all broadcasts
there's not any announcing team I look forward to listening to
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Do you play music instead, or just sit there in silence like a psycho?
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like a psycho?
I am a psycho! haven't you noticed
no I don't usually play music
I'd rather read your posts out loud
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2-3 of us commenting on the game, ripping each other, would be good TV.
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better than Gus and most others
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the ball seems slippery in Champaign
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I pointed out in another thread that nearly all of the highly ranked teams were on the road:
"I find it fascinating that nearly all of the top-ranked teams are on the road. Of the top-14 only two (#8 OU and #11 BYU) are playing in their home stadiums this weekend."
Surprising to me how few upsets this led to.
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The fact that this MSU-Maryland game isnt going to end with a 4-8 team raising a brick beaver or something equivalent is a massive oversight. every Big 10 game should be played for a stupid trophy at this point
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This whole board could get into the ACC title game for less than $50.
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I wouldn't attend if you paid me $50
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The fact that this MSU-Maryland game isnt going to end with a 4-8 team raising a brick beaver or something equivalent is a massive oversight. every Big 10 game should be played for a stupid trophy at this point
They shall play for the Dungeness Shield Trophy, and it will be good.
(https://i.imgur.com/SE2awBl.jpeg)
It will become the most prestigious rivalry trophy in all the land, exceeding even the Floyd of Rosedale!!!
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I usually mute all broadcasts
there's not any announcing team I look forward to listening to
The days of Keith Jackson,Verne Lundquist and Brent Musburger are long gone.
It's now Jerry Springer & Jim Rome types
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What a shitty game in the snow that was. It's too bad Minnie's field is no longer heated.
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the Vikings took the coils with them???
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(https://s.abcnews.com/images/Sports/abc_ann_itn_dome_101213_wg.jpg)
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What a shitty game in the snow that was. It's too bad Minnie's field is no longer heated.
looked about the same as all the snow games that day
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The better team did not win, and that's shitty.
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The better win often does not win.
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tuff to overcome 3 turnovers to none
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tuff to overcome 3 turnovers to none
The inept coaching staff lost that game for the kids.
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The better team did not win, and that's shitty.
sure you can feel that way
maybe we should just look on paper to see who wins and bypass the game totally
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You do you. I watch football.
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I'm with the Goopher. Wisconsin is a terrible team. Minnesota is merely mediocre. Maybe it's the coaching (hint: it IS the coaching), but that's part of the team.
Honestly, I was happy for my boy that he got to enjoy it. Our season was lost a long time ago. I was still angry at how the Badgers looked, but that ship sailed two months ago.
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The fact that this MSU-Maryland game isnt going to end with a 4-8 team raising a brick beaver or something equivalent is a massive oversight. every Big 10 game should be played for a stupid trophy at this point
This could be a fun thread for the off-season. Come up with a trophy name for every single possible game series the Big Ten plays.
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I'm with the Goopher. Wisconsin is a terrible team. Minnesota is merely mediocre. Maybe it's the coaching (hint: it IS the coaching), but that's part of the team.
Honestly, I was happy for my boy that he got to enjoy it. Our season was lost a long time ago. I was still angry at how the Badgers looked, but that ship sailed two months ago.
I disagree that Minnesota is better. Wisconsin, collectively, has much better players - especially on defense.
The staff cost the kids that game Saturday, which is shitty. If I was as bad at my job as they are, I wouldn't have one.
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I disagree that Minnesota is better. Wisconsin, collectively, has much better players - especially on defense.
The staff cost the kids that game Saturday, which is shitty. If I was as bad at my job as they are, I wouldn't have one.
We're not far apart, but the coaching staff is a key part of the team. And this coaching staff has made the offense a joke. The second-highest scoring game against a P4 opponent was 14. 14! Two bleeping scores. One of those was a kick return for a touchdown, the other was in garbage time. The Badgers' third-highest scoring game was 13 against Washington. In that game the Badgers scored a touchdown following a 7-yard "drive" after a Washington Fumble. The Badgers scored 10 twice: against Maryland, when they were down 27-3 (at home) and scored a garbage time TD with 28 second to play in the 4th quarter. Maryland, with its one conference win. The offensive bright spot of the season was a first quarter touchdown drive against Michigan, followed up by a field goal, to get to 10.
Excluding those two garbage time TDs against Alabama and Maryland, the Badgers had four TD drives of longer than 20 yards against P4 opponents. One of those was an 84-yard run, so hardly a "drive." In 10 games against P4 teams, the Badgers' offense scored more than one touchdown once.
Our offense was catastrophically--or comically (choose your adverb)--bad.
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Brian Ferentz would be an upgrade
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Not much good happens to an offense when QB1 and QB2 are down.
QB4 would have won that game Saturday, but they just had to put in the QB3 turnover machine.
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There were several unfortunate injuries--the offensive line was probably a bigger deal than the quarterbacks--but the offense was a joke all season. Even before the injuries we scored 17 on Miami of Ohio. You know who scored more than that against them? Rutgers (45), UNLV (41), Eastern Michigan (30), Ohio (24), Toledo (24), Buffalo (20), and Ball State (24). But hey, Western Michigan also only scored 17, so we have that going for us. We did better than NIU (3-9), Akron (5-7), and Lindenwood (who TF is Lindenwood!?!).
The Badgers have some good offensive players: Dupree, Vinny, Kekahuna, and a few more, but the offense as a unit was the trashiest trash I've ever seen.
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QB1 went down 5 minutes into the 2nd quarter in game one, missed the next two, and went down again less than 3 minutes into the game against Maryland. He never came back.
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Teams win with backups all the time. This runs a lot deeper than losing one player.
Also, pretty sure Edwards didn't come back because he wants another year somewhere else.
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Mediocre teams that scored more than the Badgers against Maryland:
Towson, Nebraska, UCLA, Rutgers, Michigan State. (Obviously Washington, Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan also did).
Mediocre teams that scored more than the Badgers against Minnesota:
Buffalo, Cal, Rutgers, Purdue, Michigan State, Northwestern. (And obviously Ohio State, Iowa, and Oregon.)
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Blackshirts Coordinator gave up 40 points to the Hawkeyes
John Butler is unemployed
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Teams win with backups all the time. This runs a lot deeper than losing one player.
Also, pretty sure Edwards didn't come back because he wants another year somewhere else.
This is true, if you have, I don't know, Arch Manning as your backup and he's not QB4.
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yup, winning with #2 QB is MUCH more possible than #4
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The problem is that QB1 for UW this year would be QB2 at most B1G schools.
Dood got spooked out of Maryland by a true freshman.
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(https://i.imgur.com/PRmWFk0.png)
I'm sure that we can agree that the results of this season, including the game on Saturday, are an indictment of the current coaching staff.
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Absolutely.
And the AD for being cheap.
And the Chancellor who won't fire said AD.
And the largest booster who wants to keep all of them.
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at least the largest booster is heavily invested
the others.......... just getting paid
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(https://s.abcnews.com/images/Sports/abc_ann_itn_dome_101213_wg.jpg)
The only game in New Brickhouse history where the atmosphere was anything like Saturday was the Vikings game 8 days after this incident. Frankly, I'd also put it on par with U2 during a massive thunderstorm. And the Vikings had better traction on the field in that 2010 blizzard than anyone had on Saturday.
Just getting around to typing some thoughts from Saturday:
-I'm still thawing out. Even by our nonexistent standards it was insanely cold. Also, it's one of the few games I've ever seen outside of Buffalo where the snow stayed intense from well before the game to well afterwards. It was a very slow trip to and from campus.
-I realize that passing was very hard to do. Still, why was there no urgency at all on the Wisconsin offense when they were moving the ball in the middle of the 4th quarter down 2 scores?
Hope we don't end up in Detroit AGAIN.
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The better team did not win, and that's shitty.
The better team did win Saturday afternoon.
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You are wrong.
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You are wrong.
You must have been watching the grounds crew keeping the sidelines and hash marks clear during every stoppage in play. In that case, I fully agree. They were the best team on the field.
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You must have been watching the grounds crew keeping the sidelines and hash marks clear during every stoppage in play. In that case, I fully agree. They were the best team on the field.
Not to get off the subject, but was anybody else confused when watching the snow games on Sat, what was real and what was a computer projection, when it came to the yard markers, the yard lines, lines and hash marks?
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no, but I had the volume at zero
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You can win with a 3rd string QB.
(https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/-mm-/18077f8f08812c39d498af579e976bfbbfae8543/c=250-237-3340-1983/local/-/media/2015/01/13/USATODAY/USATODAY/635567137817520810-USP-NCAA-Football-National-Championship-Ohio-Stat.jpg?width=660&height=373&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
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@ a place that recruits like tOSU???
maybe
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Jones would have been easy for anyone to recruit. OSU made him take a grey shirt and a red shirt because he was in the same class as Braxton Miller, only for both to wind up in the same draft class.
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We're not far apart, but the coaching staff is a key part of the team. And this coaching staff has made the offense a joke. The second-highest scoring game against a P4 opponent was 14. 14! Two bleeping scores. One of those was a kick return for a touchdown, the other was in garbage time. The Badgers' third-highest scoring game was 13 against Washington. In that game the Badgers scored a touchdown following a 7-yard "drive" after a Washington Fumble. The Badgers scored 10 twice: against Maryland, when they were down 27-3 (at home) and scored a garbage time TD with 28 second to play in the 4th quarter. Maryland, with its one conference win. The offensive bright spot of the season was a first quarter touchdown drive against Michigan, followed up by a field goal, to get to 10.
Excluding those two garbage time TDs against Alabama and Maryland, the Badgers had four TD drives of longer than 20 yards against P4 opponents. One of those was an 84-yard run, so hardly a "drive." In 10 games against P4 teams, the Badgers' offense scored more than one touchdown once.
Our offense was catastrophically--or comically (choose your adverb)--bad.
It’s an odd case because you watch the down-to-down plays and by design they’re mostly fine/do the work to maximize a pretty limited group.
But when you have poor OL, poor QB play, your most talented tailbacks just play pretty unimpressively, you’re in a real bad spot.
Throw in the fact it seems like the quality of backup QBs is lower these days, and it’s a bad spot.
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@ a place that recruits like tOSU???
maybe
Of course. Jones would have started at any other Big Ten school.
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No other Big Ten team recruited him, it was just OSU and Toledo.
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No other Big Ten team recruited him, it was just OSU and Toledo.
Sounds like a case of the reading good problems.
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Those problems are widespread across all of CFB.
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No other Big Ten team recruited him, it was just OSU and Toledo.
Couldn't get in...
Didn't come to play skool.
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He got his degree
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So did Andy Katzenmoyer.
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how about Art Schlichter?
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Very few of the P5 players could get into clown college if they weren't world class athletes.
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Not true. A lot of these kids are really smart.
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Especially at Wisconsin ::)
(https://i.redd.it/qxxk8dmatu9a1.jpg)
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A lot of smart kids do a lot of dumb things. Including taking pictures that were not intended for mass consumption, that other people can't resist.
But I'll go a step further about these athletes: given the amount of work they put into their sports, most of them, if they spent 1/2 to 3/4 of that effort on education, would be fantastic students. But that's easier said than done because throwing and chasing a ball is often a lot more fun--and gets a lot more likes--than crushing an English paper or a math proof.
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My friend that went to Northwestern was shocked by how dumb their football players were.
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Wisconsin got the Axe game they deserved. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjsT2YU_GLs)
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Especially at Wisconsin ::)
(https://i.redd.it/qxxk8dmatu9a1.jpg)
They look smart to me. No different than the US women's soccer team winning the World Cup.
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Not true. A lot of these kids are really smart.
I'll dig it up if I have to but a number of years ago some national news publication did a comparison of the avg SAT scores of football players and students at-large and sorry but you are just plain wrong here. There are undoubtedly some really smart ones but the averages, INCLUDING at Wisconsin, were pathetic. IIRC, Michigan had the highest SAT scores for football players and theirs were so low that @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) 's comment that they couldn't get into Clown College if they weren't great athletes is apt. Wisconsin's scores were, IIRC, better than most B1G schools but lower than Michigan's so yeah, Clown College rejects if they couldn't ball.
I remember the article because it was a big part of my ongoing disillusionment with the sport in general and realization that they simply aren't legitimate students at ANY B1G school (NU possibly excepted because they are non-public and therefore simply refused to answer the questions - That said, if NU's scores were anything to write home about they probably would have shared them so make of that what you will . . .).
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I'll bet Wisconsin's highs are better than most in the SAT department.
Of course they have exceptions for athletes, and it has definitely gotten more relaxed in recent years.
There certainly are a lot of UW football players in the College of Agriculture overall, but at least those are BS degrees and not a BA. The Communication Arts BA has also been popular, but not a useful degree really.
They also have had more than their fair share in Business, Engineering, Sciences, etc. Much more than most.
They don't publish majors for everyone anymore so it's tough to say with absolute certainty. I suspect the ones not published are undeclared.
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The academics at most of these schools are messy, not all kids, obviously. That’s life.
I mostly pointed out Jones, whose choices were a mid-major with decidedly liberal standards and grayshirting, plus his own admission, probably fell into that bucket, which is fine. John Clay wasn’t a scientist. I wouldn’t let Shelby Harris tutor my elementary schooler.
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John Clay had a lot of work to do in the summer before he was allowed in. Racine isn't known for great schools. I don't know how Barry got him in, but he did have a friendly Dean in the College of Ag back in the day.
(https://i.imgur.com/BnxuGlu.png)
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He got his degree
So did Andy Katzenmoyer.
How about Loyal Crawford & Antwan Roberts ;D
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FWIW, my old man was an engineering professor at Stanford, a place where plenty of athletes get in with lower academic achievement than the average student. He said he found the student athletes were generally among his favorite students. They tended to be more focused and more disciplined (on average). I never heard him complain that those kids had no business being in his classes--and that definitely included football players.
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FWIW, my old man was an engineering professor at Stanford, a place where plenty of athletes get in with lower academic achievement than the average student. He said he found the student athletes were generally among his favorite students. They tended to be more focused and more disciplined (on average). I never heard him complain that those kids had no business being in his classes--and that definitely included football players.
The worst engineer I've ever worked with was a Stanford grad. He believed he was better and smarter than everyone despite his near-constant failures. He got horse-traded to another team, I guess the other team's boss owed mine some favors. His replacement was an MIT guy, much much better.
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I've worked with Stanford-educated lawyers that I felt similarly about (although most are top notch).
I'm sorry--but not as sorry as my dad would be--that you had that experience, but there are assholes everywhere.
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Jones made himself the poster boy for all of this by saying the quiet part out loud. Krenzel was the poster boy for the other side with his medical studies. He went on to use his name to sling insurance around Columbus, after an unsuccessful stint in local sports talk radio.
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[wrong thead] :)
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FYI there's no hard and fast rule that says that jocks are dumb and that smart people can't be athletic.
There's a positive correlation between intelligence and athletic ability.
The problem we run into with collegiate/professional sport and with the ridiculous geniuses is that we're dealing with long tail problems.
Even if there's a positive correlation between IQ and athletic ability, running a 4.38 is a "long tail" thing. And if you can run a 4.38, nobody cares if you're a Rhodes Scholar or if you're dumber than a dog. Likewise if you have an IQ of 160, you're in the long tail. At that point nobody cares if you can run a 4.38 or if you're Stephen Hawking.
So we see dumb collegiate/professional athletes and dweebish uber-nerds, and assume that the correlation actually runs opposite to the reality. That there's an either/or involved. There isn't.
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The tip-of-the-bell-curve guys in athleticism tend to be dolts, though. No?
I believe the "best RB ever" if there was a way to truly know that, probably couldn't stay eligible on his high school team.
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The tip-of-the-bell-curve guys in athleticism tend to be dolts, though. No?
No. They should roughly fit the bell curve in intelligence, with a slight bump due to correlation.
It's going to be VERY rare to see someone who is at the high end of the curve in both. But that's just odds. If you define "high end" as the top 2%, the chances that someone would be both is probably not far off 2%*2%, meaning 0.04% of the population will be in the top 2% of athleticism AND the top 2% of intelligence. Or slightly above that due to the correlation effect, but not high enough above that to be meaningful from an anecdotal perspective.
The point is that collegiate or professional athletes aren't the top 2%. They're the top 0.01%. They're so high on the athleticism side that we don't care if they're dolts. The statistical odds would be that the top 0.01% athletically would be average IQ, not dolts.
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No. They should roughly fit the bell curve in intelligence, with a slight bump due to correlation.
So once you're out at 3+ standard deviations, the averages don't break down? Idk about that.
The guy with a 160 IQ isn't even out playing pickup basketball with his friends, is he? Much less being of average athleticism.
There's a positive correlation between intelligence and athletic ability.
This is all fine and good for the middle 2/3, but do things not start getting sideways, so to speak, the further you get out towards the outliers?!? The kid who is athletic enough to be the starting WR on the HS football team, but isn't even on the team isn't off the team because he's busy with the chess club, lol.
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Not true. A lot of these kids are really smart.
a lot being 10-20%
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The worst engineer I've ever worked with was a Stanford grad. He believed he was better and smarter than everyone despite his near-constant failures. He got horse-traded to another team, I guess the other team's boss owed mine some favors. His replacement was an MIT guy, much much better.
That sounds like a Stanford grad. Uninteresting, self-important walking rugby shirts. (Pay no attention to who I grew up rooting for)
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Jones made himself the poster boy for all of this by saying the quiet part out loud. Krenzel was the poster boy for the other side with his medical studies. He went on to use his name to sling insurance around Columbus, after an unsuccessful stint in local sports talk radio.
A buddy grew up in the Columbus are and always found the Krenzel thing hilarious.
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FYI there's no hard and fast rule that says that jocks are dumb and that smart people can't be athletic.
There's a positive correlation between intelligence and athletic ability.
The problem we run into with collegiate/professional sport and with the ridiculous geniuses is that we're dealing with long tail problems.
Even if there's a positive correlation between IQ and athletic ability, running a 4.38 is a "long tail" thing. And if you can run a 4.38, nobody cares if you're a Rhodes Scholar or if you're dumber than a dog. Likewise if you have an IQ of 160, you're in the long tail. At that point nobody cares if you can run a 4.38 or if you're Stephen Hawking.
So we see dumb collegiate/professional athletes and dweebish uber-nerds, and assume that the correlation actually runs opposite to the reality. That there's an either/or involved. There isn't.
I heard someone say about the youth-sports-scholarship-chasing industrial complex: 95 percent of what gets you a college athletic scholarship, at least at a modestly high level, has nothing to do with anything you did. It's how god made you.
Of course, you'll probably balance out a bit smarter from kids who can make it, but you'll also possibly have people who appear less smart because they're held to a lower standard in some things or more focused on the finer points of their craft.
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It's just all fun and games man. Go Bucks!
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A buddy grew up in the Columbus are and always found the Krenzel thing hilarious.
What’s a Krenzel?
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What’s a Krenzel?
It's a Danish pastry, silly.
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So once you're out at 3+ standard deviations, the averages don't break down? Idk about that.
The guy with a 160 IQ isn't even out playing pickup basketball with his friends, is he? Much less being of average athleticism.This is all fine and good for the middle 2/3, but do things not start getting sideways, so to speak, the further you get out towards the outliers?!? The kid who is athletic enough to be the starting WR on the HS football team, but isn't even on the team isn't off the team because he's busy with the chess club, lol.
No, it doesn't "break down". Because it's correlation, but not prescriptive. The fact that there's a weak positive correlation between athleticism and intelligence doesn't mean that you can determine one by looking at the other. I.e. you look at someone that can run a 4.38, and it doesn't mean you'll predict that they're smart, or that they're dumb. You can't look at someone's IQ test result and see 160, and predict whether they're a pretty good athlete or whether they're a bookish dweeb.
But sometimes, yes, the 160 IQ kid *is* out playing pickup basketball with his friends. And sometimes the starting WR is actually a quite good chess player. It's not like one happens to the exclusion of the other--it's that when you select for the extreme of one, you get the entire range of the other.
Sometimes you get the guy in the NFL who is dumber than a box of rocks, but nobody cares because he's an athletic freak. But sometimes you get guys like Richard Sherman or John Urschel who are athletic enough to be in the NFL but happen to also be quite intelligent... https://sports.yahoo.com/six-nfl-players-highest-iq-232514527.html
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No, it doesn't "break down". Because it's correlation, but not prescriptive. The fact that there's a weak positive correlation between athleticism and intelligence doesn't mean that you can determine one by looking at the other. I.e. you look at someone that can run a 4.38, and it doesn't mean you'll predict that they're smart, or that they're dumb. You can't look at someone's IQ test result and see 160, and predict whether they're a pretty good athlete or whether they're a bookish dweeb.
But sometimes, yes, the 160 IQ kid *is* out playing pickup basketball with his friends. And sometimes the starting WR is actually a quite good chess player. It's not like one happens to the exclusion of the other--it's that when you select for the extreme of one, you get the entire range of the other.
Sometimes you get the guy in the NFL who is dumber than a box of rocks, but nobody cares because he's an athletic freak. But sometimes you get guys like Richard Sherman or John Urschel who are athletic enough to be in the NFL but happen to also be quite intelligent... https://sports.yahoo.com/six-nfl-players-highest-iq-232514527.html
You guys have talked around the margins of this but I think it is an important point:
There is also a major specialization issue at the far right tail.
Consider this, from quick google searches:
- 1,696 NFL players
- 450 NBA players
- 1,200 MLB players
- 3,346 Professional athletes
I know I'm leaving out soccer and some other sports but this is close enough for what I'm doing here.
The total population of the US is estimated at 342 Million:
- Divide by 2 to get the rough male population of ~171 M
- Divide by 8 to get the rough population of pro-athlete aged males of ~21.375 M
So, something like one in every 6k guys are professional athletes. This is all REALLY rough ballpark stuff but I don't need exact figures to get to my point.
When we talk about far right tail, we need to remember just how FAR this is. This is one in 6k.
- 1% is 1 in 100
- 0.1% is 1 in 1,000
- This is something more like 0.017%
Ie, we are way, Way, WAY out on the far right tail.
If there is something like a 1:6000 chance of having the athletic ability to be a pro athlete then the chance of also having equivalent intelligence is 1:36000 meaning that there is a maybe 1 in 10 chance that ONE of the current NFL, NBA, MLB players is also that smart.
Now the specialization issue and the trap:
If you are such a freak athlete that you can be a pro player, it makes sense to focus on your sport in almost every case because even if you ARE really smart, you are never going to make as much money as a say top-1% IQ intellectual employee as you can as a top 0.017% athletic employee.
Ie, if you can run a 4.38 40 then the difference between an IQ of 100 (median) and an IQ of 115 (1SD above) or even 130 (2SD) or 145 (3SD) is effectively a moot point. You might be a slightly better football player with a 115 IQ than say 85 but anything above 115 I would guess is irrelevant based on diminishing returns. Basically, if you can run a 4.38 40 then the only way that IQ really impacts your livelihood is that your IQ not be so low that you are literally too dumb to play football.
The VERY few (roughly 1 in 6,000 see above) guys who actually make it as pro athletes are rewarded immensely. They become millionaires in their 20s and can generally retire with enough to take care of themselves before they turn 30.
Lets say a given kid has a 145 IQ and can run a 4.38 40. That IQ is REALLY high, he is in the top 0.1% but his 40 time is relatively higher, he is in the top 0.017%. It just doesn't make financial sense for him to hone his intellectual abilities when his paycheck is going to be determined based on his 40 time. That is the specialization issue.
The trap is that sports are very much an all-or-nothing thing for an individual. About a century ago my grandfathers both played semi-pro sports. Back before Television, there were semi-pro teams in smaller towns (like Canton where the NFL was formed) because the viewers all had to GO to the game in order to see it so there necessarily had to be more teams to cover smaller markets like Canton. Television basically wiped that out. Why bother watching and rooting for somewhat athletic local Canton guys playing somewhat athletic guys from Youngstown when you can get a TV and watch world class athletes playing in the NFL?
The problem is that for the athletes who are just barely below pro athletes there is no career at all. You are either a millionaire in your 20s or nothing. (It isn't quite that stark as there are halfway options in most sports but there aren't a lot of those either).
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well, that settles that!
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Basically, if you can run a 4.38 40 then the only way that IQ really impacts your livelihood is that your IQ not be so low that you are literally too dumb to play football.
Right.
However I think it's also important to understand that there might still be a correlation. I.e. let's take out the positions where intelligence comes into SIGNIFICANT play, i.e. QB, OL, maybe something like MLB calling the defense. So we look only at the positions that are dominated by athleticism.
I would not be shocked if you did an IQ test across the entirety of players at those positions and they came out higher than the US average. I.e. let's say the US average is 100, it wouldn't be shocking to me if the average of all tested athleticism position NFL players would be 103-105.
The thing is that the sample size is so small that you're not going to have more than one or two in the entire league that is probably an IQ of >145. That's at the 0.1% of the distribution curve. You'd probably have a few that were >130, which is at 2% of the distribution curve.
But the guys clustered between 100-110 that maybe are driving the averages? They may be "smarter than average", but not by enough to be noticeable. They don't stand out in any way.
But the proportion who have an IQ of <85 (~13%) and a 4.38 time in the 40? They stand out like a sore thumb every time they open their mouths and make you think athletes are dolts. In any other area of life, they'd not be given much of a platform. But because they're athletes, they get a microphone shoved in their face and they have to make words fall out.
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