1993. I like having Penn State, and this is mega awesome.I liked adding Nebraska too. that was it for me as far as conference expansion. an even 12 with another helmet that fit the regional landscape of the conference. it all went to shit when they did a tv cash grab to add Buttgers and Maryland. it's been all down hill since then.
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I liked adding Nebraska too. that was it for me as far as conference expansion. an even 12 with another helmet that fit the regional landscape of the conference. it all went to shit when they did a tv cash grab to add Buttgers and Maryland. it's been all down hill since then.yup, 12-team conferences with divisions wasn't bad
I liked adding Nebraska too. that was it for me as far as conference expansion. an even 12 with another helmet that fit the regional landscape of the conference. it all went to shit when they did a tv cash grab to add Buttgers and Maryland. it's been all down hill since then.Even growing up I wondered why ND/PSU weren't in the BIG.Turns out the Irish did want to join at one time but the conference voted them down. Ever since ND has ignored any offers from the BIG.But NJ and Maryland are recruiting hotbeds so they have that going for them
Even growing up I wondered why ND/PSU weren't in the BIG.Turns out the Irish did want to join at one time but the conference voted them down. Ever since ND has ignored any offers from the BIG.But NJ and Maryland are recruiting hotbeds so they have that going for themMichigan blocked them.
11 schools with 10 conference games would be the way to go.10 schools with 9 conference games and 3 OOC games, even better! :)
10 schools with 9 conference games and 3 OOC games, even better! :)Imagine a Big 12, without Baylor.
Mine is in the early 90s, but it's tough, because my idea structure never actually existed.
Ideally, I'd prefer the old SWC, old 10-team SEC, but with FSU in the ACC and ND and Penn State as the major independents. Miami in the Big East (they didn't play a full conf schedule until 1993, I believe).
10 conference games. 3 OOC games (CCG not needed so all teams play 13).9 conference games, 3 ooc games. No CCG.
Perfection.
Imagine a Big 12, without Baylor.For this exercise, I don't want the B12, I actually want the SWC from the 80s.
9 conference games, 3 ooc games. No CCG.13 is better than 12.
Perfection.
13 is better than 12.you are wrong
It would be interesting to collect opinions from CFB fans back in 1992 to see what they thought they wanted.never been a lack of fools
I'm pretty sure a playoff would have been on that card.
What year was perfect in terms of conferences/independents/affliation???
Regardless of how your team did, if the structure of college football had to be frozen and remain the same forever, what season would you picK?
Mine is in the early 90s, but it's tough, because my idea structure never actually existed.
Ideally, I'd prefer the old SWC, old 10-team SEC, but with FSU in the ACC and ND and Penn State as the major independents. Miami in the Big East (they didn't play a full conf schedule until 1993, I believe).
All that being said, I guess I'd pick 1992. SWC still exists, FSU in the ACC, Penn St still independent...but with the expanded SEC.
1993. I like having Penn State, and this is mega awesome.It was funny that the new logo teased a 16 team conference, only for us to go straight from 14 to 18
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9 conference games, 3 ooc games. No CCG.This.
Perfection.
This.
The other part of this post gets in the way, because, I, too, like the 11-team Big Ten of the mid-90s. I liked the Big 12, too--with Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, and aTm all in the same place.
But if I were starting from scratch, I would go with 10-team conferences (and promotion/relegation to allow the non-power conference teams a chance to get into a power conference to compete for the major championship).
So either 10 or 12 teams in the conference is fine, paired with 1997 (or 1991) bowl alignment.you thought 97 UNL NOT playing 97 Michigan was fine?
I would prefer an alternative version of history where:I'm ok with this but, BYU Sucks
Nebraska joins the Big Ten the same year as Penn St did, 1993. Big12 forms 3 years early and adds BYU as Nebraska's replacement.
Then change the CCG game rules in 1993 so that you don't need divisions to have a CCG,. You only need at least 12 teams total. So the BigTen, Big12, SEC,ACC and Pac all eventually have 12 teams and CCGs with no divisions.
Then move up the start of the BCS to 1993 so that the 2 best teams are always playing for the national championship.
It would be interesting to collect opinions from CFB fans back in 1992 to see what they thought they wanted.Well we had 2004 happen (undefeated Auburn left out). We had a lot of near-misses like that (1997 comes to mind, where both Nebraska and UM were behind undefeated FSU until they visited the Swamp that year).
I'm pretty sure a playoff would have been on that card.
Damn right.Imagine an Ohio coached by Frank Solich relegating Nebraska from the Big Ten, lol.
You think Luke Fickell would get another year if Wisconsin was staring at joining the MAC, while Ohio was set to take the Badgers' place in the Big Ten? This ain't AFC Richmond and he ain't Ted Lasso
Well we had 2004 happen (undefeated Auburn left out). We had a lot of near-misses like that (1997 comes to mind, where both Nebraska and UM were behind undefeated FSU until they visited the Swamp that year).I mean, is 2004 Auburn not a national champion? They certainly think so…
I did find a game where Spurrier was asked afterwards about playoff talk, and he advocated for a 16-team, mini-march madness idea, way back in the early 90s.
maybe that's why I like old shiny pants
I did find a game where Spurrier was asked afterwards about playoff talk, and he advocated for a 16-team, mini-march madness idea, way back in the early 90s.
I mean, is 2004 Auburn not a national champion? They certainly think so…They have an argument, but they scheduled the Citadel.
I mean, is 2004 Auburn not a national champion? They certainly think so…
you thought 97 UNL NOT playing 97 Michigan was fine?Yep.
Well, it ain't thisI'm not thrilled about expansion and I definitely don't want to go to 24, that is WAY too many. I think 8 would be fine but if we aren't reducing it from 12 (we aren't) then I think I'd like to see it expanded to 16 to eliminate the byes.
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1990614435413545279?s=20
Yep.you're really not selfish
Let the voters decide.
you're really not selfishOk. Well the massive desire to see that game [and others like it] is what set the NFL-lite train in motion.
I didn't mind the voter's decision but,............. I really wanted to see that game
Ok. Well the massive desire to see that game [and others like it] is what set the NFL-lite train in motion.
This desire for an objective national champion is why we're at a 12 team playoff and potentially expanding.
I feel like if you want to defeat this, the only way is to dig it out at the root. And the desire--which became a demand--to see 1997 Nebraska vs 1997 Michigan "settle it on the field"... Is the root.
maybe the root but 97 didn't require a 4-team playoffOh, but once you start the "playoff" idea, even if it's just the Bowl Coalition / Bowl Alliance / Bowl Championship series, you're virtually assured of expansion.
94 Huskers vs Lions would have also been better
So your ideal post season is from mid 80s to mid 90s?I actually also think bowl proliferation was a bit of a problem. Not that I harken back to the days that the only bowl a Big Ten team could go to was the Rose, but that literally any
You like all the extra bowls that didn't exist before Cable television so that you can get to one with only six wins, but you draw the line at determining a NC on the field?
Oh, but once you start the "playoff" idea, even if it's just the Bowl Coalition / Bowl Alliance / Bowl Championship series, you're virtually assured of expansion.we now know, the reason wasn't worthy teams and unfairness - it's was and always was about $$$
Because the reason the BCS expanded was that there might be worthy teams excluded. And the reason the 4-team CFP was expanded was that there might be worthy teams excluded. And now we're at a 12-team playoff, and they want to expand it not for the good of the sport, but for $$$. (At the expense of bowls, I might add...)
College football doesn't need an objective national champion.
Rose
Orange
Sugar
Cotton
Fiesta
Peach
Citrus
Holiday
Outback
Gator
....and maybe the Sun, because of its longevity.
Bowls don't matter just as you're saying - they're infinite. More of something makes it less special.
Having only top-25 caliber teams playing in bowls is best. All together now: EXCLUSIVITY!!!
11 bowls = 11 games total. Not sure how many total games we'll have with the playoff but it's more than 11.
11 bowls is 22 teams, and that's "exclusive," but a playoff with 12 teams is over-saturation?
11 bowls = 11 games total. Not sure how many total games we'll have with the playoff but it's more than 11.It's not more than 11.
Not only that, but out of those 11 games, it's their only shot.
You're comparing apples to volkswagons here.
11 bowls is 22 teams, and that's "exclusive," but a playoff with 12 teams is over-saturation?
we now know, the reason wasn't worthy teams and unfairness - it's was and always was about $$$93 isn't on everyone else's radar as it is with Nebraska fans.
93, 94, 97 wasn't about an objective national champion in my mind, it was about matching the best opponents to produce the best game.
I've never been very impressed with the SWC as a whole. I've stated several times that my CFB "timeline" started in 1996. I knew almost nothing about it before then, and remember the internet was very much in it's infancy in 1996 so it's not like you had all the video and other things that you can instantly pull up or reference. I didn't even really understand that A&M was in a new conference in 1996, I just knew we were in the Big 12 and that's about all I knew.this does not impress you. ('94 standings!) Rice gets a share in the 5 way tie!
But later on, in the following years, I learned a lot from on-line sources like this about the SWC and it's past. I started looking into the members. Rice, SMU, Baylor, UH, UT, A&M, Texas Tech (who I believe wasn't even a member until the 1970's). Arkansas had already been gone for years by this point. I'm sure I forgot a few schools, but it was very clear that nobody wanted the leftovers. In fact, the only reason Tech and Baylor got an invite to the Big 12 was politics, nobody gave two shits about the rest. TCU is the school I forgot about, but they pretty much had the best result out of all the former SWC schools, but it's my understanding that they either have a losing record in Big 12 play or very near .500. Nobody truly believes they were that good in the 4 team playoff when they somehow beat Michigan and ended up getting smoked by Georgia but dems da breaks sometimes.
Rice should be Div II really.
SMU-absolutely horrible for decades, only school ever given the death penalty. Some success now but who knows how long it will last. Coach will be poached any day.
Baylor-horrible for decades, only got good when they hired a sex predator enabler as the HC.
Texas Tech-about the only school with any promise across the board, never won the Big 12 in 30 years.
TCU-losing record or near .500 in Big 12 play, very successful as a "conference wanderer" from 1996-2012.
Arkansas-never won the SEC in 35 years of play and never will.
Texas obviously very successful at times
A&M-I wish they'd put us in DII :)
UH-I forgot about them too. Nobody gives a shit, not even their fans.
| • v | Conf. | Overall | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Team | W | L | T | W | L | T | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| No. 8 Texas A&M (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Texas_A%26M_Aggies_football_team) * | 6 | 0 | 1 | 10 | 0 | 1 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| No. 25 Texas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Texas_Longhorns_football_team) + | 4 | 3 | 0 | 8 | 4 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Baylor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Baylor_Bears_football_team) + | 4 | 3 | 0 | 7 | 5 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| TCU (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_TCU_Horned_Frogs_football_team) + | 4 | 3 | 0 | 7 | 5 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team) + | 4 | 3 | 0 | 6 | 6 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Rice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Rice_Owls_football_team) + | 4 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 6 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Houston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Houston_Cougars_football_team) | 1 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 10 | 0 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| SMU (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_SMU_Mustangs_football_team) | 0 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 1 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| + – Conference co-champions * – ineligible for championship and postseason due to NCAA sanctions |
Well El Paso is probably closer to Phoenix than it is to Dallas *checks* ......and it is......by 200 miles!how cute. an era where geography influenced conference structures.
Well El Paso is probably closer to Phoenix than it is to Dallas *checks* ......and it is......by 200 miles!
Stepping back a few posts, I am reminded of my 8-team conference idea of not that long ago. Look how logical it all seems:Any conference for me would have to include all of the original charters of the Western Conference, sans Chicago.
(https://i.imgur.com/kQwizTZ.png)
this does not impress you. ('94 standings!) Rice gets a share in the 5 way tie!We should go ahead and claim the 1994 SWC CC. It seems like we got majorly penalized for something so mild compared to the OU Rhett Bomar or Michigan scandal, or even the OSU Tattoo scandal.
1994 Southwest Conference football standings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Conference)
• v Team No. 8 Texas A&M (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Texas_A%26M_Aggies_football_team) * No. 25 Texas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Texas_Longhorns_football_team) + Baylor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Baylor_Bears_football_team) + TCU (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_TCU_Horned_Frogs_football_team) + Texas Tech (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Texas_Tech_Red_Raiders_football_team) + Rice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Rice_Owls_football_team) + Houston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Houston_Cougars_football_team) SMU (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_SMU_Mustangs_football_team) + – Conference co-champions
* – ineligible for championship and postseason due to NCAA sanctions
We should go ahead and claim the 1994 SWC CC. It seems like we got majorly penalized for something so mild compared to the OU Rhett Bomar or Michigan scandal, or even the OSU Tattoo scandal.Nah y'all were the only SWC team NOT to beat the atrocious death-penalty-devastated SMU Mustangs. Even if you hadn't been on probation for Fedexing fat stacks of cash to players, that alone is enough to forfeit any claim to that title.
Nah y'all were the only SWC team NOT to beat the atrocious death-penalty-devastated SMU Mustangs. Even if you hadn't been on probation for Fedexing fat stacks of cash to players, that alone is enough to forfeit any claim to that title.Well, we didn't lose to them either. :)
Well, we didn't lose to them either. :)Nah just straight cash homey. They didn't call him "Fedex Jackie" for nothin'.
Seriously, there were a lot of Aggies shrugging their shoulders about that one? Truly a head-scratcher.
My understanding of the probation was players were getting paid for jobs they didn't actually do, aka Rhett Bomar scandal.
Nah just straight cash homey. They didn't call him "Fedex Jackie" for nothin'.Damn $traight.
1990 wasn't a great season for UNL, but it was fun having 4 non-con gamesPlayed in the national title game
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As bad as the B1G was as the big 2 and the 8 dwarves, the Big 8 was even more guilty of that (just fewer dwarves).PSU was damn good in the '90s and might have gotten jobbed in'94 as they went undefeated
PSU was damn good in the '90s and might have gotten jobbed in'94 as they went undefeatedI must have been referring to the six decades before then.