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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on October 29, 2025, 08:33:20 AM
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Probably should have started this sooner, rather than having separate conversations in each SOC thread
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Lets check in on LSU...
https://twitter.com/TreyWallace_/status/1983626737604076028
I agree that the AD should be gone, but the governor weighing in can't possibly go well
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"Captain buyout" gets spanked!
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Brian Kelly at Penn State would be interesting.
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We're at Kiffin or Drinkwitz or bust, but in a holding pattern. So that's fun.
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Lets check in on LSU...
I agree that the AD should be gone, but the governor weighing in can't possibly go well
That was my take,but many LSU fans said that AD hired the baseball coach and some other coach that won a few NCs also.But don't feel like looking them up but they did a good gitting rid of purple face
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I agree that the AD should be gone, but the governor weighing in can't possibly go well
The governor is only weighing in with a popular opinion to garner votes
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The governor is only weighing in with a popular opinion to garner votes
Michigan won a National Title with an MSU alum governor. I demand a recount!!!
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We're at Kiffin or Drinkwitz or bust, but in a holding pattern. So that's fun.
Imagine being done with your coach and already being at best the 5th best available job. Behind PSU, LSU, Florida, FSU for sure. Probably on par with VT, Arkansas, and Kentucky if those come open.
This is the problem with this era, Jonathan Smith walked into a job where the NIL was a mess. It was split between 3 collectives, who were fighting amongst themselves. The largest one, who had backed the Mel Tucker extension, pulled out (no pun intended), after he was fired, during warm ups of the 2023 Iowa game. In normal times, Jonathan Smith would get time, but the problem is he backtracked in Year 2, and the donor money is not on board. Does he deserve more time? Yes. Can he be a good coach? Maybe. But if the donors are no longer on board, in the NIL era, it doesn't matter, it's over, even if whatever option we land on is worse. If the donors sign off, and we can buy a better roster, it might be a net gain, but who knows.
We literally need to land a coach who overachieves Year 1, Cignetti style, and gets donor buy in.
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Matt Rhule has signed a multi-year extension with Nebraska, keeping the third-year head coach of the Cornhuskers in Lincoln beyond 2030. This, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.
An announcement is expected Thursday.
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This whole thing is going to make a lot of unproven coaches a lot of money
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classic leverage season.
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That was my take,but many LSU fans said that AD hired the baseball coach and some other coach that won a few NCs also.
If they’re going to point to other sports where LSU is having success, don’t forget men’s basketball. The new coach, hired by Scott Woodward in 2022, is 14-19, 17-16, & 14-18 in his first three seasons in Baton Rouge.
Meanwhile, hearing Virginia Tech is pressing for James Franklin…
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Franklin to VT seems like a done deal
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Who was the first HC with a big, fat buyout???
"If I suck and things go south, you pay me lots of money to walk."
What AD read that and thought........YEP!
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Who was the first HC with a big, fat buyout???
"If I suck and things go south, you pay me lots of money to walk."
What AD read that and thought........YEP!
Jimbo (hired by Woodward at aTm).
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Jimbo (hired by Woodward at aTm).
Mahlzan, although his buyout seems paltry now.
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Plus, you’ve got to keep in mind all the coaches that did work out, like Saban. His contract was $10 MM per year, I’m sure the buyout would have been big.
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Gus at $21M is like nothing anymore. Only schools like mine can't "afford" to pay that.
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People forgetting Charlie Weis?, got his new deal in 2005, fired four years later and paid about $19 m to go away.
Now that was a schematic advantage.
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People forgetting Charlie Weis?, got his new deal in 2005, fired four years later and paid about $19 m to go away.
Now that was a schematic advantage.
I knew I forgot someone.
But he forgot to bring Tom Brady to ND.
Oops.
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LSU governor is openly feuding with the athletic director so things are on brand down there
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Is the Gov in the wrong lane about this can he overrule the LSU Prez? I imagine being a state school he could but can the the Gov steal a march on the Prez? As Politics has turned into a corrupt shyt show I don't know
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Is the Gov in the wrong lane about this can he overrule the LSU Prez? I imagine being a state school he could but can the the Gov steal a march on the Prez? As Politics has turned into a corrupt shyt show I don't know
Politics in Louisiana has ALWAYS been a corrupt shyt show. As far as I've been told
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Governors need to stay out of this stuff.
He went to ULALA.
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Is the Gov in the wrong lane about this can he overrule the LSU Prez? I imagine being a state school he could but can the the Gov steal a march on the Prez? As Politics has turned into a corrupt shyt show I don't know
I didn't know about this, but apparently the LSU president is vacant right now, according to reports.
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Is the Gov in the wrong lane about this can he overrule the LSU Prez? I imagine being a state school he could but can the the Gov steal a march on the Prez? As Politics has turned into a corrupt shyt show I don't know
LSU has an interim president right now. Permanent prez to be selected/named soon. The president and the board largely serve at governors' pleasure, and the gov. does technically wield a lot of power. Many of them have stayed out of the way, at least publicly. Many of them haven't. Huey P. Long famously ran LSU athletics basically as a monarch. So who knows, could be his assassin just really didn't like his coaching picks or the ticket prices he set.
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Politics in Louisiana has ALWAYS been a corrupt shyt show. As far as I've been told
That's why when people tell me "Illinois is more corrupt than your home state," I tell them, "Maybe, but ours is a lot more entertaining."
Illinois seems to still try to do their dirt on the down-low most of the time. Louisiana puts it on display, calls the media, and expects you to treat the open corruption as amusement.
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Lets check in on LSU...
I agree that the AD should be gone, but the governor weighing in can't possibly go well
I decided that Louisiana politics interfering in LSU football is much more interesting than LSU football.
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Welcome back MDT!
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Governor Landry is correct to target his comments at Scott Woodward (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46773515/gov-jeff-landry-critical-ad-scott-woodward-amid-lsu-shakeup) and put a stop to his financial recklessness:
"No, I can tell you right now Scott Woodward is not selecting our next coach," Landry told reporters during a news conference at the state capitol in Baton Rouge.
"Maybe we'll let President Trump pick it," Landry said. "He loves winners. You know, I'm not going to be picking the next coach, but I can promise you we're gonna pick a coach and we're gonna make sure that that coach is successful. We're gonna make sure that he's compensated properly, and we're gonna put metrics on it because I'm tired of rewarding failure in this country and then leaving the taxpayers to foot the bill."
"We are not going down a failed path. And I want to tell you something: This is a pattern," Landry told reporters. "The guy that's here now that wrote that contract cost Texas A&M 70-some million dollars. Right now, we've got a $53 million liability. We are not doing that again. And you know what? I believe that we're gonna find a great coach."
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Pretty tough talk for a guy whose professional future won't be tied to the success of the football coach the way the LSU AD's is.
I don't begrudge any criticism of AD Woodward. But he also hired LSU's baseball coach and women's basketball coach, both of whom have been runaway successes. But the fact is, at least at LSU, your job security and your legacy are tied to your football hire, for better or for worse.
The governor can say whatever he wants, because he can insert himself into this however he wants and won't ever face consequences the way an AD does.
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Pretty tough talk for a guy whose professional future won't be tied to the success of the football coach the way the LSU AD's is.
I don't begrudge any criticism of AD Woodward. But he also hired LSU's baseball coach and women's basketball coach, both of whom have been runaway successes. But the fact is, at least at LSU, your job security and your legacy are tied to your football hire, for better or for worse.
The governor can say whatever he wants, because he can insert himself into this however he wants and won't ever face consequences the way an AD does.
Not to mention the incoming coach has to work with the AD. I don't think anything the governor said makes the job more attractive if you have other options.
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Not to mention the incoming coach has to work with the AD. I don't think anything the governor said makes the job more attractive if you have other options.
There is a growing sentiment--we'll see if it bears out--that when a new permanent president is selected, the AD is going to be shown the door. While there is usually at least one layer of insulation between governor and AD (president), ADs who aren't on the same page as a governor often have a way of finding themselves unemployed. The Louisiana governor and the LSU AD appear to be on quite different sides of how they view the program, as far as what should be done, how money should be spent, etc. It wouldn't be the first time one of our ADs ran afoul of a governor and "pursued other opportunities" or "chose to spend more time with their family."
The president for sure should be in place well before a coaching hire is made. If the AD is released, that would presumably also be before a coaching hire so at least the new guy will know who and what he's crawling into bed with.
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I knew I forgot someone.
But he forgot to bring Tom Brady to ND.
Oops.
Quarterback play wasn't the problem. As obnoxious as he may have been, Clausen was a very good college quarterback. Offensive and defensive lines were the problem. Weis could scheme, but he didn't know how to recruit and coach up a team.
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Also, all these openings and press about buyouts are probably making it less likely that Wisconsin fires 2-10 Luke Fickell. That makes me sad. Next year McIntosh will celebrate the 6-6 improvement as a sign that he made the right decision. The rest of us will know that it was schedule driven and that beating a couple of cellar dwellers in the conference isn't the reason McIntosh fired Chryst.
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Lets check in on LSU...
https://twitter.com/TreyWallace_/status/1983626737604076028
I agree that the AD should be gone, but the governor weighing in can't possibly go well
I agree. It also makes little to no sense to me politically. I think I can safely say this because it isn't a liberal/conservative ideology issue it is simply the political strategic calculus for a governor of getting involved in decisions that are OBVIOUSLY not something a governor should concern themselves with. Now that he's stepped in it, he owns it. If it goes south he will get some blame. If he had just stayed out of it, it isn't his issue.
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Politics in Louisiana has ALWAYS been a corrupt shyt show. As far as I've been told
I clicked "quote" on @MrNubbz (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=17) ' post to say exactly this. Politics in Louisiana isn't 'becoming' a corrupt shyt show, that ship sailed more than a century ago.
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I agree. It also makes little to no sense to me politically. I think I can safely say this because it isn't a liberal/conservative ideology issue it is simply the political strategic calculus for a governor of getting involved in decisions that are OBVIOUSLY not something a governor should concern themselves with. Now that he's stepped in it, he owns it. If it goes south he will get some blame. If he had just stayed out of it, it isn't his issue.
It's not that I disagree with you, but I would just point out that it's hardly novel in Louisiana. Many, many governors have had more to say about LSU athletics, particularly football, than they ever should have concerned themselves with.
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It's somewhat refreshing to not be on the coaching carousel right now... :67:
...guessing that won't be a thing for Purdue until 2027 or 2028... :96:
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Illinois seems to still try to do their dirt on the down-low most of the time. Louisiana Federal Gov't puts it on display, calls the media, and expects you to treat the open corruption as amusement.
F.I.F.Y.
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It's not that I disagree with you, but I would just point out that it's hardly novel in Louisiana. Many, many governors have had more to say about LSU athletics, particularly football, than they ever should have concerned themselves with.
That is just baffling to me.
If I was the governor, my thinking would be this:
- If I stay out of it and it goes well I can claim some credit on the dubious basis that I appointed the Trustees/Regents/whatever they are called in Louisiana and possibly the University President (apparently the governor appoints those in Louisiana?).
- If I stay out of it and it blows up I can distance myself on the reasonable basis that while all Louisianans (sp?) love LSU ("Geaux Tigers" and all that), as governor I need to be concerned with governing the state, not the day-to-day operations of the LSU football program.
- If I get involved and it goes well it doesn't really help me.
- If I get involved and it blows up, I own it.
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Quarterback play wasn't the problem. As obnoxious as he may have been, Clausen was a very good college quarterback. Offensive and defensive lines were the problem. Weis could scheme, but he didn't know how to recruit and coach up a team.
Nobody remembers his stint at KU. I suppose there's reason for that.
There was widely circulated video of a practice exercise he ran there. They would kick a field goal, and simulate celebrating that it was a walk-off victory. In practice! </==off Allen Iverson> I crap you negative.
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That is just baffling to me.
If I was the governor, my thinking would be this:
- If I stay out of it and it goes well I can claim some credit on the dubious basis that I appointed the Trustees/Regents/whatever they are called in Louisiana and possibly the University President (apparently the governor appoints those in Louisiana?).
- If I stay out of it and it blows up I can distance myself on the reasonable basis that while all Louisianans (sp?) love LSU ("Geaux Tigers" and all that), as governor I need to be concerned with governing the state, not the day-to-day operations of the LSU football program.
- If I get involved and it goes well it doesn't really help me.
- If I get involved and it blows up, I own it.
If you think that's something, you should see the kerfuffles in the state legislature. That can have a lot to do with general university administration, but there's definite power plays in the athletic dept. too, or at least attempts at it.
Maybe it's part of the whole "football is a religion in the South" thing.
Also, it'd be hard to convince me that a buncha politicians, known for their corruption, anywhere near a money machine like our Athletic Department, hasn't figured out a way to dip their hand in the jar for some personal gain.
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Also, all these openings and press about buyouts are probably making it less likely that Wisconsin fires 2-10 Luke Fickell. That makes me sad. Next year McIntosh will celebrate the 6-6 improvement as a sign that he made the right decision. The rest of us will know that it was schedule driven and that beating a couple of cellar dwellers in the conference isn't the reason McIntosh fired Chryst.
Word around these parts is that KU's Lance Leipold is going to get that gig.
He is a good coach, turned that horrid program into respectability. He is 0-5 against my Wildcats, but that was established as the way long, long ago. Bill Snyder was 1-3 against KU at one time, so losing to the rival doesn't brand you as garbage forever. It wouldn't be a flashy hire, but at one time I'm sure everyone wondered who the hell Cignetti was.
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There was some talking head that recently had an old tweet unearthed where he sarcastically joked: Watch out OSU, Michigan and Penn State! Indiana hire's JMU's Curt Cignetti!
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Word around these parts is that KU's Lance Leipold is going to get that gig.
He is a good coach, turned that horrid program into respectability. He is 0-5 against my Wildcats, but that was established as the way long, long ago. Bill Snyder was 1-3 against KU at one time, so losing to the rival doesn't brand you as garbage forever. It wouldn't be a flashy hire, but at one time I'm sure everyone wondered who the hell Cignetti was.
I'd be good with it, but I'm not seeing that at all. I think he rides off into the sunset where he is.
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jesus...
https://twitter.com/ToddFuhrman/status/1983933202701189313
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If you think that's something, you should see the kerfuffles in the state legislature. That can have a lot to do with general university administration, but there's definite power plays in the athletic dept. too, or at least attempts at it.
Maybe it's part of the whole "football is a religion in the South" thing.
Also, it'd be hard to convince me that a buncha politicians, known for their corruption, anywhere near a money machine like our Athletic Department, hasn't figured out a way to dip their hand in the jar for some personal gain.
talk from the governor about hiring the new coach
nothing about signing the new coach's contract with or w/o a buyout clause
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Maybe it's part of the whole "football is a religion in the South" thing.
This was a timely converging of events that were uniquely due to blow up in one of a few places to include Louisiana.
Geography: "It just means more" in Texas too. However, it wouldn't do the Texas governor any good to aggressively assert themselves into the Longhorns coaching search while trashing the athletic director because there are enough other instate voting Aggies, Raiders, Frogs, Bears, Cougs, and 'Stangs to make this a politically unpredictable endeavor. Even in less populated but college football minded states like Iowa or South Carolina, this would be a risk. LSU football is the only statewide show in town. (Please keep in mind this isn't the first time that an acting Governor took over the hiring process for a football coach.)
Buyout: As I've stated over the years in our "Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread" thread, it was only a matter of time before a public official got vocal about the obscenely large and fully guaranteed buyouts. (I predicted it would be Mel Tucker's buyout that would draw a critical mass of attention to this, but, for good reason, his wasn't paid out.) And it just so happens the man responsible for the steepest buyout in college sports history was hired by LSU and wasted no time setting himself up for the same costly mistake by hiring Brian Kelly for a 1) fully guaranteed, 2) unrealistic dollar amount, for 3) an unrealistically long time. After Woodward tried to hire Tucker?!
And Scott Woodward absolutely deserves to lose his job for this. Forget the other sports that are doing well under Woodward's watch; BOTH football and men's basketball are underachieving.
There you have it:
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1984053089301631388
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The more of a shit show LSU is, the more likely Florida is to get their guy.
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must be talkin bout Scott Frost
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jesus...
https://twitter.com/ToddFuhrman/status/1983933202701189313
as a Husker fan, I'm OK with it
Rhule didn't get a raise - just a 2 year extension
He wasn't going to get any better job offers anyway
he wasn't getting fired - obviously - if they lose the remaining 4 games maybe he should
gotta send the message to the recruits
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Lets not pretend that Texas politicians didn't have their hands all over SWC/XII realignment
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as a Husker fan, I'm OK with it
Rhule didn't get a raise - just a 2 year extension
He wasn't going to get any better job offers anyway
he wasn't getting fired - obviously - if they lose the remaining 4 games maybe he should
gotta send the message to the recruits
According to Stewart Mandel, the extension also modified his buyout terms such that his buyout is now $71M.
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1983978317700329647
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jesus...
Todd Fuhrman
@ToddFuhrman
Matt Rhule is a combined 0-18 vs AP-ranked opponents at Baylor & Nebraska
College coaching is a hell of a gig
That shouldn't bother the fine folks/fans in the Alleghenies at all :(
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I quess we are never breaking this cycle
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According to Stewart Mandel, the extension also modified his buyout terms such that his buyout is now $71M.
Ah, 71 million here, 71 million there, and pretty soon we're talking real money.
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it will decrease a little in 12 months
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One part of my brain thinks Penn State should go after Curt Cignetti. His buyout is only $15 million at most and he'd be a great fit in State College. The other part of my brain hopes they do not and they try to replace Franklin on the cheap.
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Didn't know about that buy out and that would be an eye popping hire if that unfolded.Kind of hope that doesn't happen though as Pa. has a lot of talent to pull from in-state and in the east.PSU can be competitive again but that scenario would prolly be dagger to the heart of Hoosier football. I'd rather see them both good along with UW/MSU.It always makes for a much more interesting & fun season
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Nobody remembers his stint at KU. I suppose there's reason for that.
There was widely circulated video of a practice exercise he ran there. They would kick a field goal, and simulate celebrating that it was a walk-off victory.
Funny to read this without its context in mind and having to guess whether you're referring to either Weiss or Les Miles.
This whole thing is going to make a lot of unproven coaches a lot of money
According to Stewart Mandel, the extension also modified his buyout terms such that his buyout is now $71M.
Was on the fence over who to bet for this Saturday evening's USC@UNL match up. Now with Rhule signing an undeserved extension, I know to take USC. Nothing like undeserved new money to put a coach in idle. Just ask Jimbo Fisher.
Now to decide between Vandy and Texas.
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I was taking USC before the start of the season
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Was on the fence over who to bet for this Saturday evening's USC@UNL match up. Now with Rhule signing an undeserved extension, I know to take USC. Nothing like undeserved new money to put a coach in idle. Just ask Jimbo Fisher.
Good insight but I used to use the local books and don't like to put my plastic out there for that.You are prolly right tho, unless the Spoilt Childen can't handle the cold
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Funny to read this without its context in mind and having to guess whether you're referring to either Weiss or Les Miles.
LOL, it could have applied to several. Turner Gill came from a successful run at Buffalo to suck at KU. They've had so many coaches since they fired Mark Mangino for being fat and ugly, that I would have to look it up.
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His comment about Trump picking the next coach (while obviously just trying to score some political points, and not serious), made me curious about his USFL ownership.
When he bought the NJ team, apparently his first offer was to Joe Gibbs, who turned him down. Then he went after Don Shula, and they agreed on all terms, except Shula also demanded a rent free apartment in Trump Tower. Trump said no, then went to the press, which Shula didn't like. He then went to JoePa, who also said no.
He then wound up hiring Walt Michaels, who had been pressured to resign by the Jets, after back to back playoff appearances in 1981 and 1982, including a 1982 AFC Championship Game appearance. It remains the 2nd best 2 year stretch since the merger.
So, considering he was Plan D, maybe Trump should pick the next coach?
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This was a timely converging of events that were uniquely due to blow up in one of a few places to include Louisiana.
Geography: "It just means more" in Texas too. However, it wouldn't do the Texas governor any good to aggressively assert themselves into the Longhorns coaching search while trashing the athletic director because there are enough other instate voting Aggies, Raiders, Frogs, Bears, Cougs, and 'Stangs to make this a politically unpredictable endeavor. Even in less populated but college football minded states like Iowa or South Carolina, this would be a risk. LSU football is the only statewide show in town. (Please keep in mind this isn't the first time that an acting Governor took over the hiring process for a football coach.)
Buyout: As I've stated over the years in our "Coaching Buyouts and Contract Extensions Thread" thread, it was only a matter of time before a public official got vocal about the obscenely large and fully guaranteed buyouts. (I predicted it would be Mel Tucker's buyout that would draw a critical mass of attention to this, but, for good reason, his wasn't paid out.) And it just so happens the man responsible for the steepest buyout in college sports history was hired by LSU and wasted no time setting himself up for the same costly mistake by hiring Brian Kelly for a 1) fully guaranteed, 2) unrealistic dollar amount, for 3) an unrealistically long time. After Woodward tried to hire Tucker?!
And Scott Woodward absolutely deserves to lose his job for this. Forget the other sports that are doing well under Woodward's watch; BOTH football and men's basketball are underachieving.
There you have it:
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1984053089301631388
Truly, I'm not trying to take up for Scott Woodward, but I have always felt that the AD is chained to the "donors of substance" as $Dollar Bill used to say. No way Scott Woodward makes this decision in a vacuum. No way Scott Woodward signs a contract for this much money without serious boosters giving their approval. Now, when it all blows up, said boosters are nowhere to be seen, publicly, but they let him take the fall.
On paper, Kelly was a great hire. For us collegefootballologists, we all scratched our head because the hire made little sense. Kelly never seemed to fit in at LSU, culture wise.
Remember, when we hired Jimbo at A&M they gave him a plaque, undated, for winning the National Championship. No way any sane AD does this. They skipped ahead a lot of steps, they forgot all about the program building. And then when LSU blew kisses at Jimbo (with Woodward at the helm of LSU), those same boosters dropped their panties and gave him $77 million reasons not to care anymore, fully guaranteed, after one "decent" season where we got blown off the field by Alabama, again.
I will always believe that after we gave Jimbo so much fully guaranteed money is when he basically started mailing it in, because our team never played the same after that. That, and that "Number one of all time recruiting class" that basically turned out to be a bunch of thugs disguised as football players.
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I know to take USC. Nothing like undeserved new money to put a coach in idle. Just ask Jimbo Fisher.
100%. Jimbo Fisher started mailing it in right after this.
It's funny because the only time he ever beat Alabama was after he basically decided not to do his job anymore.
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AD job isn't easy, tough keepin boosters of substance happy, but..............
hire the right coach everybody is happy
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Hugh Freeze.
He gone.
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That what happens when you score 3 points in a home loss to Kentucky.
3 jobs are open at all-time top-15 jobs in the SEC right now....
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:96:
Well what are you waiting for OAM,this is you're chance,live a little throw your hat in the ring and make us proud. And as collaborators and back up just shoot us a post and as a collective we always concur on any and all subject matter and come to a speedy conclusion.All that and no charge,maybe set us up behind the Auburn or FLA bench by the flag team or cheerleaders we'll make sure no mongrels assail them. Oh and directions to the Beer Tent also if that's not asking too much
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I've been wondering how/why it is that LSU and Brian Kelly "continue to negotiate" his buyout. Maybe our resident lawyers could comment on standard fare that would affect that, because it seems like it would be fairly cut and dry in any decent contract.
Gig'em mentioned a few days ago that LSU could be trying to escape max. payment due to a Morals Code clause or something like that, which raised my eyebrows.
Then I started hearing rumors--completely unsubstantiated, fwiw--that Kelly and Woodward share the same agent (we knew that), and that money may have exchanged hands inappropriately through that channel, which purportedly would explain Woodward trying to force a bad fit. That theory would need to overcome two decently strong pieces of counter-evidence, but I won't go into them here.
I doubt LSU would ever admit it publicly, even if true, but it does sound like the kind of thing they'd hammer behind the scenes or make up in order to not piss off the Raising Cane's guy as they show up on his doorstep again begging for him to foot the buyout bill.
There's also Kelly's odd divorce filing from a couple years ago, and the more substantiated rumors that he fooled around on his wife (so, that's like, 4 coaches in a row now for us, supposedly?)
Those things, of course, would only be an issue when he didn't win enough and when trying to pay less money. Not that they actually care about any of it, objectively.
It's all just gross and tainted. Maybe the straw that broke the camel's back. I've had a hard time maintaining interest in my team in recent years with the NIL and portal stuff. It's not even the NFL, it's far worse than the NFL. And the NFL sucks. I really don't care about the coaching hire because whoever they get is unlikely to be significantly better than what we had, and even if they found a legit banger who won multiple NCs, I just don't care like I used to.
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My guess is negotiating the manner of payout.
Would he take a little less, to get more of it up front?
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maybe just send it to the courts to avoid a payment right away?
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Was gonna wise Crack that I dont practice French Common Law....but that not helpful.
ELA is likeliest 'why' answer.
Separately, last week I casually listened to a podcast of lawyers talking about these contracts and one notable segment was how they just dunked on Paul Chryst for being 'the dumbest, most gullible idiot for taking a settlement on his buyout.'
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Auburn fires head coach Hugh Freeze, partly over golf
Freeze’s tenure has head coach has not gone well. Over three seasons, the team went 15-19 under his leadership. That’s not going to cut it for an elite NCAA football program.
So it’s no surprise Freeze was relieved of his duties after the team’s latest loss, an embarrassing 10-3 defeat to the University of Kentucky on Saturday night. It was Auburn’s fifth loss in six games after starting the season with three-straight wins.
But according to a report from CBS Sports’ John Talty, it wasn’t only Freeze’s poor performance on the sidelines that lost him his job. His affinity for golf, even amid Auburn’s struggles, also contributed to his ouster.
Talty reports that multiple sources from within the Auburn football community told him “just how much Freeze seemed to prioritize his golf game over doing everything possible to improve the Tigers’ football program. Last season, for instance, he was spotted on the golf course multiple times on Sundays after losses the previous day.”
Freeze became self-conscious of media reporting about his love of golf and tried to change the narrative, but, as Talty writes, “he still couldn’t help himself.”
An Auburn booster spotted Freeze at a golf course before a Friday game this season. According to the booster, Freeze showed up without clubs just to “watch guys play golf.”
Talty quotes another booster who said, “The only problem we didn’t foresee is that he wanted to play golf way more than coach anymore!”
Auburn replaced Freeze with interim head coach D.J. Durkin, but Freeze didn’t go away empty-handed. He reportedly will receive $15.8 million from Auburn after losing his job.
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These Wildcats, Northwestern, Kentucky... you lose to them, you're coach gets canned.
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Auburn replaced Freeze with interim head coach D.J. Durkin, but Freeze didn’t go away empty-handed. He reportedly will receive $15.8 million from Auburn after losing his job.
Wow, I don't see how anyone can deny that we are the premier program in the country. Better than Ohio State, better than Georgia, better than anyone.....we are a way better program to get fired from.
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Being paid to not coach, and paid an amount that is more than all of us will handle in our lifetimes.
Sounds like a good gig if you can get it.
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I shoulda went into coaching instead of engineering - the math isn't as difficult and it pays WAY better
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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that Paul Chryst is in the mix for the Oregon State job. He's coached there before.
My impression was that Chryst loved Madison and has made enough money to not need to do anything else to be happy in his life, but maybe he still has the itch? A program like Oregon State could do a lot worse than a coach like him. No guarantee of success, but he's certainly had a lot of successful teams that were focused on what they were good at.
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he could obviously make a LOT more money to NOT coach if his agent is decent
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Michigan and Penn State tried to get him in the past.
Pat Fitzgerald 'vindicated' by settlement, seeking next job (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/pat-fitzgerald-vindicated-by-settlement-seeking-next-job/ar-AA1PVExI?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a4320a38177748e2ebff97c6cbbea64c&ei=22)
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I'd guess Pat would like to coach in the B1G
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Freeze became self-conscious of media reporting about his love of golf and tried to change the narrative, but, as Talty writes, “he still couldn’t help himself.”
Hugh Freeze became self-conscious of the media reporting about his love of golf after Lane Kiffin went on-brand and openly mocked Hugh Freeze for focusing more on golf than coaching football:
(https://i.imgur.com/ERfWeFK.png)
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https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wisconsin-badgers-football/87293/wisconsin-badgers-football-news-luke-fickell-head-coach-return-2026-chris-mcintosh
BREAKING: Luke Fickell to return in 2026, AD says
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https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wisconsin-badgers-football/87293/wisconsin-badgers-football-news-luke-fickell-head-coach-return-2026-chris-mcintosh
BREAKING: Luke Fickell to return in 2026, AD says
Germans Bomb Pearl Harbor!
Dewey Beats Truman!
Water is Wet!
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https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wisconsin-badgers-football/87293/wisconsin-badgers-football-news-luke-fickell-head-coach-return-2026-chris-mcintosh
BREAKING: Luke Fickell to return in 2026, AD says
man I feel bad for Wisconsin fans.
does anyone really think Fickell is going to suddenly break through in year 4? The schedule gets easier but they are probably staring 6-6 or 7-5 in the face in Year 4 after going 3-9 or 2-10 in Year 3. he'd need to really flip the script and get 11 wins and make the playoff in 2026, and does anyone think that is a real possibility?
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 5-7
Year 3: 2-10 or 3-9
And if Year 4 goes 6-6 or 7-5 is this what they paid all that money to get him for after 4 years? cause I don't think it is....
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yes, but after year 4, the buyout is decreased
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Every year it goes down by $7 Million.
They will lose 20K season ticket holders, their parking fees, and the merchandise and beer/food they buy.
Season tickets are around $1200 with the "donation" and fees required.
That's $24 Million in tickets alone.
Maybe that will get someone's attention up on the Hill in the ivory tower.
Oh, and I should mention that high school student applications to Wisconsin are down...
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What's one way of checking whether your coach is on the Hot Seat? If his name is followed by the word "buyout" in the top suggested google search.
(https://i.imgur.com/FhnV4Qc.png)
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Every year it goes down by $7 Million.
They will lose 20K season ticket holders, their parking fees, and the merchandise and beer/food they buy.
Season tickets are around $1200 with the "donation" and fees required.
That's $24 Million in tickets alone.
Maybe that will get someone's attention up on the Hill in the ivory tower.
Oh, and I should mention that high school student applications to Wisconsin are down...
Great Post applications are fewer in a lot of places because of the economy,drop in H.S.graduations and more entering trade schools
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https://www.admissions.uga.edu/blog/2025-overall-applicant-pool/
Up 12% here, but state is growing.
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Great Post applications are fewer in a lot of places because of the economy,drop in H.S.graduations and more entering trade schools
Global schools like Wisconsin are generally immune to this.
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What's one way of checking whether your coach is on the Hot Seat? If his name is followed by the word "buyout" in the top suggested google search.
(https://i.imgur.com/FhnV4Qc.png)
Or when they make a grandiose announcement that he is coming back for another year, when he is already under contract to come back another year.
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His wife should be offended
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She has like 100 kids, I doubt she expects to be googled much.
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Google literally any random male celebrity (using that loosely) and "wife" is usually in like the top 3
Maybe he should be offended that people would assume he doesn't have a hot wife
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Hey, if applications are down this year, maybe that helps my son and @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) 's daughter... Less competition for spots :57:
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I imagine she keeps a pretty low profile, after pizzagate.
The query refers to an incident from 2012 where a pizza delivery driver at Iacono's Pizza (https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=183c80e420c11d72&rlz=1CAVNCX_enUS1178&sxsrf=AE3TifO7IcC93yxGnbGdDPIeMFUgga7hHw%3A1762542712562&q=Iacono's+Pizza&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiF_tOj3-CQAxXAIUQIHeBSEiIQgK4QegQIARAB&biw=1366&bih=633&dpr=1&mstk=AUtExfBLQMm0FNCpLUZ2R_bFF1lYYXbDKdAMrlvhxf01SDmIpcbdvOqm-oACgLIytuBw1xl_056fGECUD7jnEYfN-Al8Ss9kY8WtJ781QebKsIi7JmT3k8HV7DyQE_U46dniHM1BPt9FRUMa_3WfncGJyHLB0lxIRRWp7-NU4jDjGfkiHq9OpTGY0tzF2D4B-Php9XHIdBjRzJZCK7TNnK4NEpjnoG3ejRCDS4bKAEudKVXXsOcmKB4nodg6_OXlyz7hFGoCiS1UvV_xdl_-JidNx3zR&csui=3) in Ohio was fired after telling Luke Fickell's wife, Amy Fickell (https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=183c80e420c11d72&rlz=1CAVNCX_enUS1178&sxsrf=AE3TifO7IcC93yxGnbGdDPIeMFUgga7hHw%3A1762542712562&q=Amy+Fickell&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiF_tOj3-CQAxXAIUQIHeBSEiIQgK4QegQIARAD&biw=1366&bih=633&dpr=1&mstk=AUtExfBLQMm0FNCpLUZ2R_bFF1lYYXbDKdAMrlvhxf01SDmIpcbdvOqm-oACgLIytuBw1xl_056fGECUD7jnEYfN-Al8Ss9kY8WtJ781QebKsIi7JmT3k8HV7DyQE_U46dniHM1BPt9FRUMa_3WfncGJyHLB0lxIRRWp7-NU4jDjGfkiHq9OpTGY0tzF2D4B-Php9XHIdBjRzJZCK7TNnK4NEpjnoG3ejRCDS4bKAEudKVXXsOcmKB4nodg6_OXlyz7hFGoCiS1UvV_xdl_-JidNx3zR&csui=3), that the team's tackling needed to improve. The driver claimed Amy Fickell laughed at his comment and that this led to his dismissal, while Ohio State denied the employee's account, according to USA Today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/10/11/pizza-employee-fired-luke-fickell-wife/1626601/) and Yahoo Sports (https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/pizza-delivery-boy-claims-wife-ohio-state-defensive-160418284--ncaaf.html).
- Who: Amy Fickell, wife of then-Ohio State defensive coordinator Luke Fickell, and a pizza delivery driver.
- What: A delivery driver allegedly told Amy Fickell that the team's tackling needed improvement.
- When: The incident occurred in 2012.
- Where: At Iacono's Pizza in Shawnee Hills, Ohio.
- The outcome: The delivery driver was fired, with the driver claiming Amy Fickell's reaction led to his termination. However, Ohio State denied the driver's account of the incident.
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Not the worst possible scandal involving a pizza delivery guy and a lonely wife at home
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LSU apparently trying to claim they didn't fire Brian Kelly to get out of paying his buyout. Good Lord, why would anyone take this job if they had any other option?
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Cajun/Creole Grub ?
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LSU apparently trying to claim they didn't fire Brian Kelly to get out of paying his buyout. Good Lord, why would anyone take this job if they had any other option?
My guess is we about to find out a whole lot of dirt on Brian Kelly. It was reported on here that he recently got divorced a couple of years ago. Hmmmm....
The only "real" question is why would you not get your dirt first, then fire for cause? It looks like it was mass chaos, and certainly from all reports it was, including the AD himself being fired and the g'vner getting involved.
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My guess is we about to find out a whole lot of dirt on Brian Kelly. It was reported on here that he recently got divorced a couple of years ago. Hmmmm....
The only "real" question is why would you not get your dirt first, then fire for cause? It looks like it was mass chaos, and certainly from all reports it was, including the AD himself being fired and the g'vner getting involved.
Yeah I think courts would take a dim view on retroactive dirt being the basis of a firing that everyone involved said was for on field reasons. But it would be on brand and yet another reason to avoid this place.
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Crazy when ya think about the banner season they had with Jeaux Burreaux under center not that long ago. Evidently Eddie Ogre wasn't minding his Ps & Qs off the field
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My guess is we about to find out a whole lot of dirt on Brian Kelly. It was reported on here that he recently got divorced a couple of years ago. Hmmmm....
The only "real" question is why would you not get your dirt first, then fire for cause? It looks like it was mass chaos, and certainly from all reports it was, including the AD himself being fired and the g'vner getting involved.
He's not divorced. He filed for divorce in 2023, but the petition was later withdrawn.
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Yeah I think courts would take a dim view on retroactive dirt being the basis of a firing that everyone involved said was for on field reasons. But it would be on brand and yet another reason to avoid this place.
It's still a top end job in the top conference. But it definitely knocks it down a few pegs. Certainly moves it below Florida and Penn State
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This is exactly the same kind of job it always has been. Anyone in that business likely knows and understands that.
Louisiana's governor didn't "suddenly" get involved or step somewhere he'd be better off avoiding. The governors have been doing that since there's been a football program. The board didn't suddenly bow to political whims or booster pressure, or power grabs of their own nefarious design. They've been doing that forever. The number of coaches out there are legion who have been assistants here, or GAs, or coordinators, or coached at one of our rivals giving them lots of familiarity with us, or are good friends with people who've been here. The point is literally every coach out there knows and has always known what the LSU job is about.
Because the university was in the process of hiring a new prez, and a bunch of stuff that had already been going on between the governor and the AD came in the public view at the wrong time, right after he fired the coach, leaving the school without for a moment without a coach, AD, and president, it got blown up in media into something the whole thing just isn't. Imagine that.
The politics of that job are gruesome, and likely tiresome to most. It is what it always has been. It takes a certain kind of personality to deal with it, and an even rarer individual to also be a top-notch coach. Saban dealt with this crap, Les dealt with it, Orgeron tried to deal with it and learned the hard way he wasn't that guy. Brian Kelly was fine dealing with it, he just didn't win enough, which will get any coach fired.
I get the inclination to think the place is burning down and that the job has somehow changed or is less desirable now.
For LSU--and those of us who have followed the program and state's shenanigans for decades--it's Tuesday.
The real problem LSU faces is not that the job isn't good or that coaches won't be attracted to it. They're going to line up for it, just like they did when O was fired in a shitshow y'all must have forgotten. The problem is LSU isn't going to want 99% of the people who line up for it, and out of the 1% they do want, it's unlikely any of them will win at the clip they want, which has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the fact that there's about two guys you can bank on to be amazing and consistently be in contention for NC's, and one of them is on GameDay and the other is on FOX Big Noon Kickoff, and LSU ain't getting either one of 'em.
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This is exactly the same kind of job it always has been. Anyone in that business likely knows and understands that.
I mean, sort of? Yes, there are some goof things about the job, namely the backyard talent in a state that has no other major competitors. It's similar to OSU in that regard.
But the game has changed. Access to local talent is important but easily the most declining important factor in the landscape. Access to money is the most important factor now, followed distantly by everything else. I don't know what LSU's situation is there, but if they can't pay Brian Kelly I suspect that isn't wonderful.
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And anyone taking that job who has literally any other option is holding out for an iron clad buyout. And you might have to overpay now that the candidate knows he may have to fight for what was contracted to him in court.
It's a great job in a vacuum, that has been downgraded for reasons that they will lose anyway. Lets not forget that when Saban took the job, it was viewed as a lateral move, but at least he was the in state alpha. LSU is doing everything possible to make themselves a lateral to MSU again
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if there is the ability to recruit great players it's a great job
will the NIL $$$ be available?
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I mean, sort of? Yes, there are some goof things about the job, namely the backyard talent in a state that has no other major competitors. It's similar to OSU in that regard.
But the game has changed. Access to local talent is important but easily the most declining important factor in the landscape. Access to money is the most important factor now, followed distantly by everything else. I don't know what LSU's situation is there, but if they can't pay Brian Kelly I suspect that isn't wonderful.
In that regard, I agree with you. I have no idea how LSU will be able to fare in the new environment. That's still yet tbd and I don't have much of an opinion about that one way or the other.
I only meant the overly political environment of that job has not changed. Shit-shows occasionally break out around there, mostly when somebody isn't winning at the clip the powers that be think they should be winning. When things go bad, there are people with levers-of-power they probably shouldn't have, pulling them when they probably shouldn't. It doesn't happen often, so in the national consciousness and even in the minds of LSU fans, we forget that it's always lurking there behind the curtain.
I suspect the job's attractiveness--whatever its level is--doesn't change much because of this. My contention is that most coaches haven't found out anything new about the job they didn't already know. I would think it's well known in coaching circles that the LSU job comes with a lot of meddling if you don't win enough, and shady backroom political shenanigans if "they" think you need to go. I also suspect that coaches have known that same thing for a long time, ergo, this all won't change much.
otoh, there is something to be said for the phenomenon of how you can know about something that happens every now and then, and the difference between that and having just witnessed it. It could be that I'm more or less correct that in the long term, this won't change much, yet, in the short term, i.e. this current hire, could suffer because of it.
But I do want to point y'all back to the end of 2015. The AD tried to fire Les Miles, and he did, sort of, except half of the board revolted, Les beat A&M (again, lol) before the AD had gathered his full measures of gonads to make it official, and.....he wasn't fired? Maybe? It was chaos and turmoil, and nobody could agree on if he was staying or going, or who had the power to send him packing if he was gone. It was certainly public, though the maybe the media didn't stoke the fires as much as now for whatever reason, possibly including, but not limited to, Gov. Jindal at the time had the sense not to make his machinations public, if he even cared or was involved. Then the 2016 season started and Les was still coaching, but with civil war still going on, and with no firm backing of the administration, and it was kind of understood, only an NC will get you out of this. Welp, a season-opening loss to Wisconsin later, the anti-Les faction strong-armed the supporting faction and proceeded with the most transparent coup possible. They had no real cause, and they couldn't hang their hat on anything in 2015, so they waited until LSU lost to Auburn in week 4, and poof, he had to be fired for that. Because losing to Auburn is not something LSU ever does (eye roll). Anyway.....there's more to recap there, but it was a farce, not unlike this current one, except it lasted longer.
And it's not the only other one I've witnessed in my lifetime.
Meh......it's Louisiana, it's LSU. I know this, they know this, I think coaches know this. It's a great job.....if you win. If you don't, it may well be a worse job than most. My $0.02
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I mean, sort of? Yes, there are some goof things about the job, namely the backyard talent in a state that has no other major competitors. It's similar to OSU in that regard.
But the game has changed. Access to local talent is important but easily the most declining important factor in the landscape. Access to money is the most important factor now, followed distantly by everything else. I don't know what LSU's situation is there, but if they can't pay Brian Kelly I suspect that isn't wonderful.
Forgot to add: I'm pretty confident in saying it's not that LSU can't pay Kelly, it's that they don't want to.
At any rate, whatever they wind up paying him, according to our talking heads, is going to come from Todd Graves, not the ath. dept.
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in my opinion, a GREAT way for billionaires to share the wealth and trickle down $$$ into the economy
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Yup because failed coaches deserve the gawdy hauls that Fisher/Franklin limped away with.I'm sure that will trickle down to the rest of us
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deserves has got nuttin to do with it
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OK William Munny out of Missouri who has killed women and children and just about everything that has walked or crawled at one time or another.
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What we have here is failure to communicate. Some men, you just can’t reach.
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tougher to communicate w/o the mouse
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I'd like to know where they're pulling all these odds for this HC job or that one. Truly bizarre.
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outta Jimmy da Greek's backside
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James Franklin's name being floated for various jobs is interesting to me.
Since he was just fired by PSU, it doesn't seem like he'd be a hot commodity, since off the top of my head, fired cfb coaches tend to need some reputation rehab before they pull HC gigs again.
It also reminds me that the whole HC-getting-fired perception is different in college ball than the NFL. Seems like there's no shortage of examples of NFL HCs getting fired and then going to coach other teams. There's many examples of them taking coordinator jobs as well, but a number of HCs too. Makes me wonder why the NFL is frequently content with re-treads while the cfb world shuns a recently fired guy more.
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Franklin was in the CFB playoff last year
many teams would like to have that problem
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Franklin was in the CFB playoff last year
many teams would like to have that problem
That's why I think they will have trouble finding a replacement of their choice. I think they will have to settle.
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Yeah, the standards have changed.
Getting fired used to mean something.
Now it might mean you run a top 10 program, and the boosters are tired of the plateau.
How many coaches historically would have been fired with Franklin's resume?
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I'd have kept him another season
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For that exact reason, it's hard to see what makes the LSU job any less desirable than any other. The expectations are unrealistic everywhere. At least BK was run off while not even sniffing the playoffs and putting historically bad defenses on the field. Penn St. just ran off a guy mid-season after making the playoffs. He didn't even get 1 full year of failure. What coach wants to sign up for that any more than LSU's drama?
The answer is "tons of them."
They pay so much, we're kidding ourselves to think that a crap-ton of candidates aren't frothing at the mouth to get those gigs.
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Franklin was in the CFB playoff last year
^^this^^
Yeah, the standards have changed.
Getting fired used to mean something.
Now it might mean you run a top 10 program, and the boosters are tired of the plateau.
How many coaches historically would have been fired with Franklin's resume?
^^this^^
I also believe the advent of the TWELVE team playoff put coaches like Brian Kelly and James Franklin (and Brent Venables, Lincoln Riley, Mike Norvell, Sherrone Moore, etc) on a more definitive leash. The twelve team playoff gives fan bases, boosters, and athletic directors a hard line on which to act on. Even mid-season. Notice Kelly and Franklin getting the boot once it was plainly clear they weren't playoff bound.
In previous years before the twelve team playoff, they would've coached the rest of the regular season. And going back to the BCS years, would coaches like Franklin or Kelly, who regularly posted 10 and 11 win seasons been shown the door after one down year? Had we instead had a twelve team playoff, I imagine programs like LSU and Texas would've been quicker to move on from Les Miles and Mack Brown.
When there are only two or even four teams that can play for a Nat'l Championship at the end of the season, fans and boosters and athletic directors will learn to live with a far-and-few-between 5-7 season at time when winning five more games would not put their team any closer to the BCS Championship. Now, a 10-2 top 12 finish puts your team on the same playing field (literally) as those finishing #1 and #2 to end the season.
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In previous years before the twelve team playoff, they would've coached the rest of the regular season. And going back to the BCS years, would coaches like Franklin or Kelly, who regularly posted 10 and 11 win seasons been shown the door after one down year? Had we instead had a twelve team playoff, I imagine programs like LSU and Texas would've been quicker to move on from Les Miles and Mack Brown.
If there had been a 12 team playoff, most of Mack Brown's Texas teams and Les Miles LSU teams would've been in it, so no, by your own logic, I don't think they would've been quicker to move on.
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Midseason firings cheat the fans out of half the season. Are Penn State fans even invested in this season at all anymore? They are already in off season mode, talking about who the next coach is going to be. Sure, they might watch the games out of habit. But it's an interim HC with zero chance of getting the job, and a bunch of Franklin recruits who are going to hit the portal the instant the season ends.
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I would have been more excited about the season had ickel been fired after the Maryland shitshow. Not being cheated at all, like I am now.
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The Wisconsin situation isn't a midseason vs end of season scenario.
They are rolling it back. Or so they say.
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Against my wishes, along with many others.
95 percent of the fanbase would have loved to have him gone by now, let alone after the season.
The season is over. Back-to-back losing seasons for the first time since 1992.
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Yeah, that Maryland game really broke you.
You were like his biggest fan up until that point.
Before Maryland Badge :cheer:
Post Maryland Badge :character0029:
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I'm taking this discussion elsewhere.
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Are Penn State fans even invested in this season at all anymore?
Well after laying another egg they're just directing their froth away from Franklin & in a different direction.John Cooper lost lots of big games but he'd sprinkle in a win here/there.I'd definitely ask back Joe Moorhead in some capacity,the Lions had their best years under Franklin with him at O.C. and he's a Pa. guy
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My recollection is that every Badger on this board went into this season wary of what it would bring, and looking for evidence of improvement. I know I did--and hopeful, as always. But, yes, the Maryland game exposed just how bad this team is in a way that losses to Alabama and the October slate would not. That said, the back-to-back home shutouts to the Hawkeyes and Buckeyes didn't help.
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My recollection is that every Badger on this board went into this season wary of what it would bring, and looking for evidence of improvement. I know I did--and hopeful, as always. But, yes, the Maryland game exposed just how bad this team is in a way that losses to Alabama and the October slate would not. That said, the back-to-back home shutouts to the Hawkeyes and Buckeyes didn't help.
That caused me to look up the Wisconsin game results, and find that the Badgers have scored 54 points against P4 teams so far this season.
Oof.
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My recollection is that every Badger on this board went into this season wary of what it would bring, and looking for evidence of improvement. I know I did--and hopeful, as always. But, yes, the Maryland game exposed just how bad this team is in a way that losses to Alabama and the October slate would not. That said, the back-to-back home shutouts to the Hawkeyes and Buckeyes didn't help.
Who would have been the interim, Mike Tressel?
Say goodbye to the UDub upset.
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The worst part is that I just don't care. I have a passing interest in the next two games, then I'll want to watch the Badgers play Minnesota. I have friends who watched the Washington game and were happy to see the defense playing with real grit. And bully for them. I will go into next season expecting the team to have a better record, but with real doubts about how good they will actually be, and probably not caring that much one way or the other. Until Fickell is fired or he actually shows a vastly improved team, I'm just not going to invest much energy in being a fan.
This season ended with the Maryland loss. So whether the Badgers can finish with 3 or 4 wins, I just don't care. And if it had been 2 because Tressel was a poor interim? Is there a significant difference? Not really.
So I'll watch from a distance hoping that either McIntosh or Mnookin see the light and end this, or that Fickell actually rebuilds this into a respectable program (which means a minimum of 8 wins against next year's slate). I think the former is more likely (and it's probably Mnookin, not McIntosh). I'm sure as heck not going to spend any of my travel budget to go watch the Badgers next fall.
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Matt Mitchell would have been the interim for sure.
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That caused me to look up the Wisconsin game results, and find that the Badgers have scored 54 points against P4 teams so far this season.
Oof.
The really amazing thing is they were able to achieve this ignominy without hiring Brian Ferentz.
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That caused me to look up the Wisconsin game results, and find that the Badgers have scored 54 points against P4 teams so far this season.
Oof.
Also, it's 33 when you remove three garbage time touchdowns, and it's 27 minus the kick return for a touchdown against Alabama. Touchdown drives of over 10 yards that took place when the game was still in doubt? 1.
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For that exact reason, it's hard to see what makes the LSU job any less desirable than any other. The expectations are unrealistic everywhere. At least BK was run off while not even sniffing the playoffs and putting historically bad defenses on the field. Penn St. just ran off a guy mid-season after making the playoffs. He didn't even get 1 full year of failure. What coach wants to sign up for that any more than LSU's drama?
The answer is "tons of them."
Just for you MDT
(https://i.imgur.com/A4I9ODQ.png)
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The Toonces logo is more offensive than the misspelling.
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Franklin to Virginia Tech. Wow.
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Damn, I would have hired him in a second
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he can recruit,good move Vtech is better than this
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They also negotiated the buyout from $49 million to $9 million, but waiving the offset
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Franklin to Virginia Tech. Wow.
I mean, not shocking in the least to me. Seems like a good fit really.
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I'm surprised it was so fast. He could have taken his time.
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I'm surprised it was so fast. He could have taken his time.
It's been 2 months since there was a vacancy and he needed a job. Plenty of time. IMO.
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I'm surprised it was so fast. He could have taken his time.
Blacksburg is a good place fan base is rousing also.Just haven't had much to pull for - much like Browns Fans
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They also negotiated the buyout from $49 million to $9 million, but waiving the offset
Could you explain or provide a link?
Whose buyout, which way?
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Could you explain or provide a link?
Whose buyout, which way?
I think he's talking about Franklin. He had an off-set, essentially he was required to "look" for work, and if he found a job whatever the new job paid would be off-set from what PSU owed him. Looks like instead they just gave him $9 MM and they both told each other to F off.
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Blacksburg is a good place fan base is rousing also.Just haven't had much to pull for - much like Browns Fans
You and @SuperMario (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1596) and a few others might appreciate this:
I grew up in the Cleveland area. I was thinking about it a while back in reference to something on here and I really wasn't much of a cfb fan until I started at Ohio State in the fall of 1993. I was always an Ohio State guy but I was just a LOT more interested in the Browns.
Well, I realized something. The Browns were actually better than the Buckeyes when I was growing up. That sounds INSANE given how woeful the Browns have been and how good the Buckeyes have been but hear me out:
I was born in 1975 so I have no personal recollection of any of Woody's teams and I was too young to be interested in Ohio State's NC near miss in 1979.
I turned 5 before the 1980 football season and the Browns had their best run of the last 60+ years in the 1980s when I was 5-14. They made the playoffs seven times in those 10 years including five straight years from 1985-1989. That five year run included three AFC Championship games including one at Cleveland Municipal Stadium (the Drive).
When the Browns won the AFC Central Division in 1989 it was their fourth Division Championship in five years and their fifth straight playoff appearance. In the ~35 years since they've only made four playoff appearances and that 1989 AFC Central Championship remains the most recent for the franchise.
The great run by the Browns in the 1980s coincided with the most pedestrian decade the Buckeyes have had since probably the 1930s. After almost winning the NC in his first season upon taking over from Woody, Earle Bruce led the Buckeyes to a 9-3 record every year for six straight years then went 10-3 when they played an extra game in 1986. That was capped by middling years in the transition from Bruce to Cooper.
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I think he's talking about Franklin. He had an off-set, essentially he was required to "look" for work, and if he found a job whatever the new job paid would be off-set from what PSU owed him. Looks like instead they just gave him $9 MM and they both told each other to F off.
That makes sense, thanks
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I think he's talking about Franklin. He had an off-set, essentially he was required to "look" for work, and if he found a job whatever the new job paid would be off-set from what PSU owed him. Looks like instead they just gave him $9 MM and they both told each other to F off.
This
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I think he's talking about Franklin. He had an off-set, essentially he was required to "look" for work, and if he found a job whatever the new job paid would be off-set from what PSU owed him. Looks like instead they just gave him $9 MM and they both told each other to F off.
This
That is probably a good deal fir both sides. Franklin gets cash up front and PSU doesn't have to worry about his success at VaTech to keep their maximum exposure from being hit.
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You and @SuperMario (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1596) and a few others might appreciate this:
I grew up in the Cleveland area. I was thinking about it a while back in reference to something on here and I really wasn't much of a cfb fan until I started at Ohio State in the fall of 1993. I was always an Ohio State guy but I was just a LOT more interested in the Browns.
Well, I realized something. The Browns were actually better than the Buckeyes when I was growing up. That sounds INSANE given how woeful the Browns have been and how good the Buckeyes have been but hear me out:
I was born in 1975 so I have no personal recollection of any of Woody's teams and I was too young to be interested in Ohio State's NC near miss in 1979.
I turned 5 before the 1980 football season and the Browns had their best run of the last 60+ years in the 1980s when I was 5-14. They made the playoffs seven times in those 10 years including five straight years from 1985-1989. That five year run included three AFC Championship games including one at Cleveland Municipal Stadium (the Drive).
When the Browns won the AFC Central Division in 1989 it was their fourth Division Championship in five years and their fifth straight playoff appearance. In the ~35 years since they've only made four playoff appearances and that 1989 AFC Central Championship remains the most recent for the franchise.
The great run by the Browns in the 1980s coincided with the most pedestrian decade the Buckeyes have had since probably the 1930s. After almost winning the NC in his first season upon taking over from Woody, Earle Bruce led the Buckeyes to a 9-3 record every year for six straight years then went 10-3 when they played an extra game in 1986. That was capped by middling years in the transition from Bruce to Cooper.
This is really interesting on a lot of levels:
1) Just to go back and think about the 80's Browns. They were electric on so many levels and the NFL was a different league and time in pro sports. So many of the Browns players were on the team in the fall and worked normal jobs in the off-season so it made them more relatable humans. My cousin and my aunt lived in Brook Park in a condo project and a couple doors down from Eddie Johnson. He would always come out and play catch with the kids and was simply an awesome dude. He was also far from wealthy. Imagine an NFL player in the league for 10 years not being wealthy? From that, we as a family were lucky to meet a lot of the players back then because of it.
2) Really interesting to hear your dynamic of the strength of your Browns fanhood, especially during the down times of OSU because that is a similar reflection of a lot of people becoming strong Indians fans when the Browns dipped and the timing was electric there as well. As much as it was a slugfest as a Cleveland sports fan that had a lot of heartbreak, there has also been a decent ride if you were a Browns, Indians, Buckeye, Cavs fan.. Browns in the 80's and despite the heartbreak of the 90's and disappearing it lead the Indians amazing teams of the 90's and then from their ownership sale and cheapskate dolan's leading to their fall off, the Buckeyes then picked up in the early 2000's to heal that and win a title.. Buckeyes have been pretty strong since, but had a couple tough championship moments but that's when lebron was starting to make some runs in Cleveland.
Cleveland fans have not had an abundance of titles, but there's been at least one good team to really dive into for the last 40 years.. definitely not the Browns since returning in '99 but the Buckeyes have certainly filled that gap for a long time.
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This is really interesting on a lot of levels:
1) Just to go back and think about the 80's Browns. They were electric on so many levels and the NFL was a different league and time in pro sports. So many of the Browns players were on the team in the fall and worked normal jobs in the off-season so it made them more relatable humans. My cousin and my aunt lived in Brook Park in a condo project and a couple doors down from Eddie Johnson. He would always come out and play catch with the kids and was simply an awesome dude. He was also far from wealthy. Imagine an NFL player in the league for 10 years not being wealthy? From that, we as a family were lucky to meet a lot of the players back then because of it.
So different back then.
Anyway, Browns in the 1980s:
- 1980: 11-5, won the AFC Central, lost at home to Oakland in the Divisional Round of the Playoffs on Red Right 88. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Right_88) Note that the Raiders went on to win the SuperBowl and Cleveland was a <30 yard FG from beating them 15-14 or 13 yards from beating them 19-14. Rutigliano always said that he had told Sipe to "Throw the ball into Lake Erie" if it wasn't wide open". Oh well. FWIW, I was five. I don't actually remember the Red Right 88 game, I just remember it being talked about a lot when I was a kid.
- 1981: 5-11, missed playoffs.
- 1982: 4-5 (strike shortened season), lost playoff first round at Raiders.
- 1983: 9-7 missed playoffs. Still a decent season.
- 1984: 5-11 missed playoffs, fired Rutigliano and hired Schottenheimer.
- 1985: 8-8, won the AFC Central, lost divisional playoff at Dolphins. <--From here on I distinctly remember these seasons/games.
- 1986: 12-4, won AFC Central, won Divisional playoff vs Jets, lost AFC Championship Game vs Broncos on the drive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Drive_(American_football)).
- 1987: 10-5, won AFC Central, won divisional playoff vs Colts, lost AFC Championship Game at Broncos on the fumble (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fumble).
- 1988: 10-6, lost Wild Card vs Oilers.
- 1989: 9-6-1, won AFC Central, won Divisional playoff vs Bills, lost AFC Championship at Broncos.
It is insane to me how far they fell. In the five years from 1985-1989 the Browns won the Division four times, made five straight playoff appearances, won three playoff games, and made three AFC Championship Game appearances. In the 36 years since (I'm counting 2025 because at 2-8, they aren't making the playoff this year) they have ZERO Division titles, four playoff appearances, two playoff wins, and no AFC Championship Game appearances.
I mentioned that the Buckeyes were in the midst of their 9-3 every year phase. Those seasons did vary somewhat but it is a trade-off. In 1980 they started 9-1 then lost The Game and their Bowl. The good part of that is that it makes for an exciting season right up until the end. The Buckeyes were #5 heading into The Game and in the thick of the NC race. The bad part is that the season ends on a sour note so there isn't much excitement looking forward. Conversely, the very next year the Buckeyes lost two games in early October and started 8-3 but won The Game and the bowl. The bad part is that there isn't much excitement during the season because the Buckeyes were basically out of it by mid-October. The Buckeyes dropped out of the poll entirely after the second loss (only 20 teams back then) and snuck back in for one week before the third loss dropped them out again, then beating Michigan got them back into the poll. The good part is that after winning The Game and the bowl there was a ton of excitement looking forward to the following season.
I covered 80 and 81:
- 1982: Started 2-3 then ran off 7 straight wins
- 1983: Losses spread out (one in Sep, one in Oct, one in Nov)
- 1984: Lost twice in Oct, won The Game, went to the Rose Bowl and lost to USC
- 1985: Started 8-1 and climbed to #3 then lost back-to-back to UW and M and won a consolation Citrus Bowl over BYU
- 1986: Started 0-2 and dropped out of the poll completely then ran off 9 straight wins and climbed to #7 before losing The Game and winning a consolation Cotton Bowl over aTm.
- 1987: This season is mostly remembered for Earle Bruce winning The Game AFTER he was fired. That is a fun memory but it sometimes gets forgotten that he was fired for good reasons. The Buckeyes went to Ann Arbor at 5-4-1 and having lost three straight to MSU, UW, and Iowa.
- 1988: Cooper's first season was a sub .500 disaster.
- 1989: Started 2-2 and didn't climb back into the poll until November (25 teams by 1989). They were 8-2 and #20 heading into The Game, and lost that but only dropped one spot because it was a close loss on the road and Michigan was 9-1 and #3. Lost the bowl and finished barely ranked (#24).
The most exciting tOSU seasons of the 1980s were 1980 and 1985 and both ended nowhere close to the NC. They really weren't seriously in the NC race other than those two and even those two it was illusory. By contrast the Browns spent the bulk of the 1980s absolutely in the hunt. Twice they had their Super Bowl invitations all but engraved only to find ridiculous ways to lose to the Broncos. I remember watching the AFC Championship in 1986. When the Denver kick returner screwed up and stepped out only to get tackled at the freaking 2 yard line the party started. All the Browns had to do was prevent a 98 yard drive in the waning moments and . . . they didn't. I remember watching the 1987 AFC Championship Game it and we all thought we had gotten revenge from the previous year. Cleveland had a drive going as the clock was winding down. If you are too young to remember, Beyner fumbled at the 2 just before going into the end zone. On the angle on TV we didn't see the fumble and we all thought that he had scored. That was painful.
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Franklin at VaTech will bring some panache to that program, probably help recruiting at least initially. He seems, to me, like a 9-3 or 10-2 kind of coach at a good program, and if they can win 8 games in Bburg he'll look fine.
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California has fired football coach Justin Wilcox before the regular season finale, according to a report from On3’s Pete Nakos. He was in his ninth season with the program.
During his time with the Golden Bears, Wilcox compiled a 48-55 overall record. He was 26-47 in conference play, with those games split between the Pac-12 Conference and the Atlantic Coast Conference.
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I'm just here for the hilarity that should be interim coach Nick Rolovich in Berkeley
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I'm just here for the hilarity that should be interim coach Nick Rolovich in Berkeley
Who Dat?
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He's their interim coach.
Google his tenure at WSU, and then Google Berkely, California
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California has fired football coach Justin Wilcox before the regular season finale, according to a report from On3’s Pete Nakos. He was in his ninth season with the program. During his time with the Golden Bears, Wilcox compiled a 48-55 overall record. He was 26-47 in conference play, with those games split between the Pac-12 Conference and the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Yes it's nine years of mediocrity under Justin Wilcox, but what are Cal's better options when mediocrity is their football ceiling?
A Cal Sports Blog (https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/2021-season-review-wrap-what-will)states Cal’s consent to football mediocrity the following way: “To start with, some of the institutional support Wilcox is starting to receive is the kind of thing that would be considered standard operating procedures for most P5 schools. But Cal’s recent history, budgeting reality, and increasingly academic focus means that this kind of support must be earned . . . but not necessarily via wins and losses. No, Justin Wilcox appears to tick every single box a Cal coach can for administrators and big money donors tick outside of that most important box [(winning)]. He’s largely drama free and doesn’t spend time complaining about the kind of Berkeley-specific logistical hurdles that certain other Cal coaches have complained about. He’s connected to the glory days of Jeff Tedford. He’s displayed a level of loyalty to Cal that, quite frankly, Cal hasn’t earned.”
This was written in 2021, before the NIL had started hollowing out Cal's roster every offseason, and before Cal's disastrous move to the ACC, a move which has accelerated the irrelevance of college football in the Bay Area (see below image). It's that much more difficult to field not only mediocrity, but basic functionality, and in Wilcox, Cal at least had someone somewhat stabilizing them through a situation that increasingly became worse. To the point I don't believe Cal will bother having a football program in another ten years.
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The fact that a bay-area school is in the Atlantic Coast Conference confirms that college football committed suicide a few years ago and we're just dragging the body around and propping it up, Weekend At Bernie's-style.
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To the point I don't believe Cal will bother having a football program in another ten years.
Question...
How soon behind them do the rest of the dregs of P4 conferences (my alma mater included) follow that example?
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Purdue keeps the football program alive just to take the Big Ten TV revenue share to spend on basketball - forever
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I had thought that. As long as the B1G money keeps flowing, I'm not sure any conference teams can afford to stop football.
TBD if the B1G's power programs will remain in the B1G. If they break off to form a superconference with the SEC's helmets (and a few others), the money dries up, and then I could see it happening.
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true
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Coastal Carolina is firing head coach Tim Beck, sources tell On3’s Pete Nakos. Beck went 20-18 in three seasons as head coach of the Chanticleers.
It was a tough end to the season for Coastal and Beck as the team lost 59-10 to James Madison on Saturday. Following a 6-3 start, the Chanticleers lost three in a row to end 2025.
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BREAKING: Florida is expected to hire Tulane’s Jon Sumrall as its next head coach, per CBS Sports’ @mzenitz and Richard Johnson
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Sparty fired their coach again?
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Sparty fired their coach again?
Pat Fitzgerald time I guess
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The fact that a bay-area school is in the Atlantic Coast Conference confirms that college football committed suicide the Big Ten killed college football a few years ago and we're just dragging the body around and propping it up, Weekend At Bernie's-style.
FIFY
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BREAKING: Florida is expected to hire Tulane’s Jon Sumrall as its next head coach, per CBS Sports’ @mzenitz and Richard Johnson
And the PHI Eagles personnel guy is our GM.
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Pat Fitzgerald time I guess
Well...he's experienced?
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Sounds like PSU is really focused on BYU's head coach. Probably rooting hard for Texas Tech this weekend.
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Fitz seems like a pretty big upgrade.
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This took Lsu about 30 minutes to send this email out to me.
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hey, gotta get the cash flowing ASAP
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2026 LSU Schedule includes:
@ Ole Miss
@ Tennessee
The Lane Love Tour
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Mark Stoops is out at Kentucky.
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Seem to be more than the usual number of P4 openings this season.
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been a crazy season - some programs performing better than usual and others taking a dive
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Seem to be more than the usual number of P4 openings this season.
Need one more to make me happy.
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Obviously, the issue is availability of good candidates. Hiring another P4 HC creates another opening. So, the pool is G6 HCs and assistants. It's a crap shoot. I think many/most new hire coaches fail and get fired in 4-5 years. I believe in many cases the fired HC is as good or better than any replacement.
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Ed Zachery - a few decades ago there was more patience, perhaps to avoid larger buyouts
seems to be plenty of money floating around for the carousel to spin faster
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This took Lsu about 30 minutes to send this email out to me.
Why is LSU sending you emails?
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This sheds light on another aspect of this sport that needs fixing. Coaches are going to move around, whether they should or not, and whether we like it or not.
Ole Miss now enters the post-season without its head coach and a significant number of its other staff who are leaving for Baton Rouge. LSU was willing to let Kiffin coach through the post-season, as he clearly wanted to do, but Ole Miss was not. I'm not much for a heavy hand, but maybe some firmer rules about these things would avoid this unenviable position where these kids are left high and dry as the reward for their historic season.
fwiw, Tulane's AD David Harris has announced that Sumrall will coach their CCG, and the playoffs, should they be selected, citing that it's the right thing to do for their student-athletes. Presumably, Florida doesn't have the same qualms as Ole Miss.
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Florida is not in the same position as Ole Miss.
we should start a thread about CFB going to H.
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I'm not going to play for Kiffin at LSU if I'm a recruit
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I think had UGA ended up with Kiffin, I might actively root against them, not that it would matter.
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Look, there's only so much defending this guy I'm going to do, because I've never much cared for him. But blast him for stuff that's real and that he deserves. No need to misconstrue things, though I notice this is an Ole Miss account of some sort, and I reckon they're pretty sore at the moment.
But, he clearly tried not to abandon his team before the playoffs. He's been in LSU's bag for days now, but nothing got finalized or announced because he was fighting to keep coaching this team. That's hardly a temper tantrum. Poaching players and staff on the way out.....everybody does that. Lincoln Riley did it to OU leaving for USC. Brian Kelly did it to Notre Dame leaving for LSU. This is a long list and I'll stop here, but it's hardly unique to Kiffin, in this move. He's also not allowed at the team meeting, which is not what this makes it sound like. This also leaves out that apparently the players approached the AD to express they wanted Kiffin and the staff to finish the season with them in the playoffs, which the AD ignored, whether for good reasons or bad.
Kiffin has personality problems, and he's got no loyalty, and eventually he'll leave LSU the same way he left Tennessee and Ole Miss, or he'll be fired. One way or the other, it probably ends badly. So just knock him for the stuff he deserves and will deserve in the future. No need to try to make somethings out of these nothings.
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Why is LSU sending you emails?
I bought tickets for the Florida game this year.
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I understand LSU wanting to move quickly to get their #1 guy and move forward, but..........
It's on Kiffin to finish the season with his team and staff.
it's the right thing to do, and everyone knows it. Especially the players and future recruits
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Ole Miss wouldn't let Kiffin stay around.
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With signing day looming, and staffs to be filled, I can understand to a degree why Kiffin has to leave now.
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Florida is not in the same position as Ole Miss.
we should start a thread about CFB going to H.
I'm not going to play for Kiffin at LSU if I'm a recruit
I saw an Interview with Joey Freshwater trying to explain why he left The Vols at the alter. Then sort of blaming USC and his lack of success there for not letting him in on the sanctions/penalties being leveled. If true the chirpy,smug chode screwed one progam then complains when things blow up in his face and circle around and bites him in the ass at another. Like somehow he should be free of criticism/blame when he gets shown the door. Very bad look leaving another SEC Program in the lurch. Both Tennessee and Ole Miss will have dates with him circled along with eveyone else as LSU is what 6yrs removed from their NC?
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Ole Miss wouldn't let Kiffin stay around.
they would have if he had waited to take the next job.
With signing day looming, and staffs to be filled, I can understand to a degree why Kiffin has to leave now.
yup, I understand it. Doesn't make it right.
Maybe he has to do the right thing and that costs him the LSU job this season. Selfish prick.
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I don't know if Kiffin left for more money. I read that wasn't part of the decision, but who knows but him? He likely thinks he can win an NC sooner at LSU than OM, which is a bit odd considering OM is in the running this year, in theory.
Irony would be if OM "comes together" and makes a strong run.
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Both Ole Miss and Florida matched LSU's offer. Why he chose LSU, I don't know. Reports with sauces! say that both Nick Saban and Pete Carroll told him to take the LSU job. I don't know what would make them say that either. If they said it.
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Saban said about Kiffin last week what most coaches say...........
Kiffin is going to go where he thinks he can get the best players - he obviously thinks he can get better players at LSU, therefore a better shot at a national title
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UCLA is expected to hire James Madison head coach Bob Chesney, sources tell On3. The 48-year-old head coach has risen through the coaching ranks and was also a candidate in Penn State’s coaching search.
Chesney arrived at James Madison after Curt Cignetti’s departure, taking his coaching staff and most of his 11-win roster with him to Indiana. He’s gone 20-5 in his two seasons at James Madison. The Dukes are 11-1 this season and play Troy in the Sun Belt title game this weekend. Chesney is expected to coach in the College Football Playoff if the Dukes make the 12-team playoff.
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UCLA could have a pretty stout team with the right coaching and support.
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yup, that's all they've been missing
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UCLA is expected to hire James Madison head coach Bob Chesney, sources tell On3. The 48-year-old head coach has risen through the coaching ranks and was also a candidate in Penn State’s coaching search.
Chesney arrived at James Madison after Curt Cignetti’s departure, taking his coaching staff and most of his 11-win roster with him to Indiana. He’s gone 20-5 in his two seasons at James Madison. The Dukes are 11-1 this season and play Troy in the Sun Belt title game this weekend. Chesney is expected to coach in the College Football Playoff if the Dukes make the 12-team playoff.
Surprisingly competent for UCLA
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Surprisingly competent for UCLA
Which is the exact opposite of ...
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Both Ole Miss and Florida matched LSU's offer. Why he chose LSU, I don't know. Reports with sauces! say that both Nick Saban and Pete Carroll told him to take the LSU job. I don't know what would make them say that either. If they said it.
Ya prolly Stool Sports/Portnob.
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I think it's easier to recruit elite players to LSU relatively, less need for the portal etc. The state is pretty closed.
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Chesney arrived at James Madison after Curt Cignetti’s departure, taking his coaching staff and most of his 11-win roster with him to Indiana. He’s gone 20-5 in his two seasons at James Madison. The Dukes are 11-1 this season and play Troy in the Sun Belt title game this weekend. Chesney is expected to coach in the College Football Playoff if the Dukes make the 12-team playoff.
Looks like a guy who the Badgers should have looked into,surprise PSU didn't go after him had being from there. Perhaps his resume wasn't long enough even Freshwater had sustained success - somewhat
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I think it's easier to recruit elite players to LSU relatively, less need for the portal etc. The state is pretty closed.
I dunno Bama has had some pretty pickens there and perhaps Kelly burned some bridges
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This sheds light on another aspect of this sport that needs fixing. Coaches are going to move around, whether they should or not, and whether we like it or not.
Ole Miss now enters the post-season without its head coach and a significant number of its other staff who are leaving for Baton Rouge. LSU was willing to let Kiffin coach through the post-season, as he clearly wanted to do, but Ole Miss was not. I'm not much for a heavy hand, but maybe some firmer rules about these things would avoid this unenviable position where these kids are left high and dry as the reward for their historic season.
fwiw, Tulane's AD David Harris has announced that Sumrall will coach their CCG, and the playoffs, should they be selected, citing that it's the right thing to do for their student-athletes. Presumably, Florida doesn't have the same qualms as Ole Miss.
Welp, they're not kids anymore, and barely students. They're now paid athletes, some making well into 7 figure territory. Hell, you might even call them professionals, and maybe they should act as such. Even if they're physically young.
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Over/under and how long Kiffin lasts at LSU:
1 year
2 years
3 years
4 years
5 years
I'd say before the fourth year he's 50% chance of leaving.
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This sheds light on another aspect of this sport that needs fixing. Coaches are going to move around, whether they should or not, and whether we like it or not.
Ole Miss now enters the post-season without its head coach and a significant number of its other staff who are leaving for Baton Rouge. LSU was willing to let Kiffin coach through the post-season, as he clearly wanted to do, but Ole Miss was not. I'm not much for a heavy hand, but maybe some firmer rules about these things would avoid this unenviable position where these kids are left high and dry as the reward for their historic season.
fwiw, Tulane's AD David Harris has announced that Sumrall will coach their CCG, and the playoffs, should they be selected, citing that it's the right thing to do for their student-athletes. Presumably, Florida doesn't have the same qualms as Ole Miss.
The difference here is that there is zero chance Tulane will do jack didily in the playoffs. First round loss, guaranteed. And I hate to be the one to judge a book by it's cover, but in today's CFB world it just is. So if Tulane does win their CCG, that's what they really want. Tulane and Florida are not and never will be rivals. They won't play each other every year, Tulane has almost nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Secondly, there is little chance that anybody on the Tulane roster will be snatched up by Florida/Sumrall in the transfer. OK, maybe a player or two, but chances are they are going to leave Tulane no matter what. It's not fair, and it's not right, but it is just how it works now.
Tulane has nothing to lose, there is no embarrassment, no judgement. It's almost a given at any G4 school if you're coach does well, he's going to leave. It's 100% expected. Now look at all the coaches in DI who leave for another school. Sometimes it's mutual, sometimes not. Jimbo Fisher leaving FSU was not well received, no way he would have been allowed to coach the bowl. I'm struggling to think of any major D1 school where the coach was allowed to stay as HC when he was taking a similar gig. I think sometimes the problem resolves itself because the other school may not be eligible for the post season. Fran leaving Alabama, Kiffen leaving Tennessee. What did Saban do at Bama when he went to the Dolphins? Even when Stoops retired, he waited well until after the season was over and the recruits were signed. Might have been slightly disingenuous, but it didn't hurt anybody really.
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One more thing that struck me about Kiffin leaving...I think he knows that even with their best team in decades they're still probably not a threat to win the CFP. As a coach you probably know which players would have made a difference on your team. If you look at the closest programs to you, distance wise, you think "If I just had Jimmy J or Bobby Joe" or whoever. He knows LSU and the rest won't stay down forever, he knows he lucked out schedule wise. He probably thinks to himself, this is the best OM is ever going to be, and it was mostly a fluke and we still lost by 10 to UGA. He's not going to say it, but he knows it.
He also knows that just like Mark Stoops, eventually you can't survive with 7-8 win seasons, and then the recruiting gets harder, and then 8 wins turns to 6, and 6 to 5, and then you're fired. It's a cycle few survive. So he knows he has to get to a place where he can always recruit the best players, otherwise he's out of a job in 5 or less.
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Over/under and how long Kiffin lasts at LSU:
1 year
2 years
3 years
4 years
5 years
I'd say before the fourth year he's 50% chance of leaving.
Leaving, or fired?
Either way, it ends badly. They've thrown so much money at the situation that the best that can be hoped for is an NC or two in the process before it all ends in tears. Though that is not likely, for several reasons.
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Welp, they're not kids anymore, and barely students. They're now paid athletes, some making well into 7 figure territory. Hell, you might even call them professionals, and maybe they should act as such. Even if they're physically young.
a lot of professionals would like to be making that kind of money
doctors, lawyers, engineers........
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Tulane has nothing to lose, there is no embarrassment, no judgement. It's almost a given at any G4 school if you're coach does well, he's going to leave. It's 100% expected. Now look at all the coaches in DI who leave for another school. Sometimes it's mutual, sometimes not. Jimbo Fisher leaving FSU was not well received, no way he would have been allowed to coach the bowl. I'm struggling to think of any major D1 school where the coach was allowed to stay as HC when he was taking a similar gig. I think sometimes the problem resolves itself because the other school may not be eligible for the post season. Fran leaving Alabama, Kiffen leaving Tennessee. What did Saban do at Bama when he went to the Dolphins? Even when Stoops retired, he waited well until after the season was over and the recruits were signed. Might have been slightly disingenuous, but it didn't hurt anybody really.
Jimbo leaving FSU was not well-received, but that was in part because it was largely unheard of. I think you mentioned the major instances; there aren't that many. And in Fran's case, it's a totally different paradigm than it sounds like to our ears today.....Alabama's ass was far in the crack back then. Leaving for A&M was seen as "Yeah, I get that." Even Tennessee, as storied as it is, had some rough years around that time, and USC was seen as an ultimate destination job. But for the most part, those kinds of moves didn't happen. FSU was still primed with potential when Fisher left, and had recently won an NC. They weren't in the same shape as Alabama in the early aughts, or Tennessee in the late aughts.
Back when we were moving on from Miles and some factions of LSU wanted Fisher, a sports-writer did an analysis of coaches leaving destination jobs for other destination jobs, and found that it just hardly ever happens. For that reason many considered Fisher to LSU unlikely. Which makes sense, because you don't tend to leave a destination job....that's why it's a destination job. When he actually did leave for A&M, it was a rarity and an oddity. In retrospect, it probably signaled a paradigm shift. Ten years ago, the thought of a coach leaving Notre Dame for LSU was crazy, and wouldn't have been taken seriously. It just didn't happen.
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Kidding leaving for any reason. Kidding. Kiffin.
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(https://i.imgur.com/wjmHEkO.jpeg)
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If Kiffin wins at LSU, no one will care. If he doesn't, he was always a jerk.
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so, no one will care and it didn't matter
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So, both Florida and LSU were trying to win the Kiffin Sweepstakes.
I'm not rooting for it, but it'd be hilarious if Sumrall does way better at Florida for half the price.
It would be yet another W in the record between Ath. Depts. It used to frustrate me, but eventually it became a source of amusement. The amount of ways LSU AD Alleva found to lose off the field to UF AD Foley, well....they were as numerous as the ways the LSU offense found not to score.
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PSU has found itself in a battle with all of mormonism for the services of Kalani Sitake
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https://twitter.com/redditcfb/status/1995338076944781411?s=61
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Both Ole Miss and Florida matched LSU's offer. Why he chose LSU, I don't know. Reports with sauces! say that both Nick Saban and Pete Carroll told him to take the LSU job. I don't know what would make them say that either. If they said it.
There's no Miami or FSU in Louisiana.
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I don't blame Kiffin, I blame the calendar. There's this worst-timing-possible thing that exists when it comes to HCs leaving during a quality season. Kiffin wanted to coach OM to finish out their season, however long that is. That's a good thing...the right thing. OM is butthurt and won't let him. I understand their side of it. Makes sense. So when the HC wants to do the right thing and the school he's leaving acts in a rational manner and this is the fallout....that's evidence there's something wrong with the system.
But as for the situation, Florida comes out looking prudent and caring. We get a guy who may or may not be awesome for half the cost of Kiffin and 7000% the good PR.
But no, none of it matters - not the good or the bad - unless your guy wins. Florida CAN get back at the elite level - we've won 100+ games in multiple decades. But the Gators haven't done jack shit in the playoff era. But even in a conference with UGA, Bama, LSU, OU, and Texas, Florida should be sniffing the SEC championship as often as it doesn't.
We just need the right guy. Here's to hoping we got the right guy on the cheap.
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What does the cost matter? Very little of *our money goes to these overpriced CFB coaches.
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the cost doesn't matter, you have as good a chance finding the right guy on the cheap as you do spending the most
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What does the cost matter? Very little of *our money goes to these overpriced CFB coaches.
Just keep on paying Jimbo's buyout, buddy.
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Why is LSU sending you emails?
MarqHusker is Joey Freshwater's new alias
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Just keep on paying Jimbo's buyout, buddy.
I wonder how much of my money goes towards that? I mean, I did go to one game last year, spent some bux on that for sure. And I’m considering going to a playoff game, so they’ll get a little more. But, I suspect that most of the money comes from BOS ( boosters of substance) like dollar Bill used to say.
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We just need the right guy. Here's to hoping we got the right guy on the cheap.
Thing is, as soon as he wins significantly, they'll re-do his contract with an extension and a way bigger price tag. He'll either turn out not to be The Guy, or he will and they'll wind up paying him like The Guy.
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Kiffin is actually loyal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88qJyGU3DIA
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Thing is, as soon as he wins significantly, they'll re-do his contract with an extension and a way bigger price tag. He'll either turn out not to be The Guy, or he will and they'll wind up paying him like The Guy.
And then as soon as you give them the big guaranteed contract they let off the gas just a bit. I'm firmly convinced that is what happened to Jimbo Fisher as soon as we gave him the Big Contract. He was never the same, except when he played Saban. Both years after we gave him the $$$, he played Alabama more competitively than we played almost anybody else. The rest of the season he mailed it in.
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https://twitter.com/redditcfb/status/1995514651426341050?s=46&t=EHozF964Pc_xZmTZKPCcEA
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https://twitter.com/redditcfb/status/1995514651426341050?s=46&t=EHozF964Pc_xZmTZKPCcEA
Under Lincoln Riley OU went 12-2, 12-2, 12-2, 9-2 (Covid), 11-2. Venables has gone 6-7 twice and has yet to hit 11 wins.
I don't know that many OU fans are super glad Riley left.
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well, they refer to him as old muleshoe
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Sparty got a good coach with Pat Fitzgerald.
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good coach, but time will tell if it works well for Sparty
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Under Lincoln Riley OU went 12-2, 12-2, 12-2, 9-2 (Covid), 11-2. Venables has gone 6-7 twice and has yet to hit 11 wins.
I don't know that many OU fans are super glad Riley left.
The buzz I’ve heard is that he was living on Bob Stoops’ coat tails. Look at his USC record.
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Meanwhile, in Happy Valley,
(https://i.imgur.com/oiO2Q2N.png)
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Sparty got a good coach with Pat Fitzgerald.
We'll see how he adapts to the NIL era - or if he has to. I don't know the details of structure in EL.
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I'm guessing the NIL Era is fairly simple if you have more money than your opponents
I'm guessing Sparty has more NIL $$$ to work with than Northwestern
I could be wrong
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The buzz I’ve heard is that he was living on Bob Stoops’ coat tails. Look at his USC record.
I find it very unlikely that a coach can ride any coattails for five seasons. If you're not a good coach, it will certainly show by then, and after five seasons, you are what your record says you are.
Oklahoma is not USC. It's possible he was a better fit at OU, or that USC has particularities that hinder his strengths as a coach. Whatever he's done at USC, it's immaterial to what he did at OU, I think.
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coattails for maybe 3 seasons - rosters turn over quicker these daze
did he inherit the previous coach's O & D coordinators, staff??
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Looks like Brian Hartline is moving on.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2025/12/160107/brian-hartline-hired-by-usf
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good news!
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Wow, I would be happy if MSU had landed him. Thought he would for sure get a P4 job if he wanted to leave
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Wow, I would be happy if MSU had landed him. Thought he would for sure get a P4 job if he wanted to leave
I think his impact is wildly underrated. I'm a big fan of Hartline and very happy to see him leaving Columbus.
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I find it very unlikely that a coach can ride any coattails for five seasons. If you're not a good coach, it will certainly show by then, and after five seasons, you are what your record says you are.
Oklahoma is not USC. It's possible he was a better fit at OU, or that USC has particularities that hinder his strengths as a coach. Whatever he's done at USC, it's immaterial to what he did at OU, I think.
I'm not saying it. I don't have a dog in the fight. I just thought it was funny.
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Probably even more so for OU fans.
From what I gather on the inTerwEbz, Notre Dame fans found Brian Kelly's failures at LSU hilarious.
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I think the "sour grapes" thing is common among fans. I know a fair number of Dawg fans were hoping Carson Beck would flop and celebrated when he did. Most supported Dan Lanning when he left and wished him success. Very few voiced anything bad about Mark Richt.
So, there are some exceptions. And folks who post on social media are not always indicative of how the fan base really feels.
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https://twitter.com/billyliucci/status/1996230607479718185?s=46&t=EHozF964Pc_xZmTZKPCcEA
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https://twitter.com/billyliucci/status/1996230607479718185?s=46&t=EHozF964Pc_xZmTZKPCcEA
Can't blame him for going home, I guess.
He was fun to watch in college, I've always kinda rooted for him.
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I think his impact is wildly underrated. I'm a big fan of Hartline and very happy to see him leaving Columbus.
I couldn’t disagree more. His impact was truly understood and appreciated by all.
Good for him too he’s earned it and will do well. Great recruiter and great coach. May end up back at OSU someday with head coaching experience.
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Who is Penn State waiting on?
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perhaps someone whose season isn't over yet
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https://twitter.com/billyliucci/status/1996230607479718185?s=46&t=EHozF964Pc_xZmTZKPCcEA
My daughter actually broke this news to me. Figured it was a hoax at first, but it's being reported all over now.
Klieman is only 57, Klein is 36. Good thing my profession isn't considered washed up...well, I guess if I had been making bank like a football coach, I'd be good with hanging it up in a couple of years.
In this day and age, coaching is far less important than the checkbook, so who the hell knows. I hope we recruit a couple of billionaires to start writing them. But, as I have been whining...really not as much interest as I had 30 years ago.
But Welcome Home, Optimus Klein.
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@Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) will be elated to learn:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/usf-hires-brian-hartline-head-coach-ohio-state/
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https://twitter.com/CSOonX/status/1995866490189578321?s=20
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https://twitter.com/CSOonX/status/1995866490189578321?s=20
I was wrong about not seeing the attraction to LSU. Lane saw how Ed Orgeron is living and said I need a piece of that.
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Priorities,sheesh,getting tougher and tougher to love the sport
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Priorities,sheesh,getting tougher and tougher to love the sport
Imagine how you'd feel if your favorite team sucked.
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Fearless seems rather jovial to me.
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Imagine how you'd feel if your favorite team sucked.
See Browns
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Fearless seems rather jovial liquored up to me.
FIFY
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Sitake is staying put.
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Sitake is staying put.
Sitake to Penn State never made any sense. His success would not translate to the Big Ten.
Is there any word on Penn State giving Lousiville's Jeff Brohm a call? The other day Fox Sports' Brady Quinn was praising Brohm as the kind of hire that would "maximize" Penn State.
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Presuming Hartline does well at USF, how long does he stay?
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2-3 years.
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See Browns
Lol. This made me laugh. I stopped caring after they bailed on Baker and put all their eggs in the pervert basket.
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Fearless seems rather jovial to me.
you should have known me in the 90's
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FIFY
you should have known me in the 90s
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I couldn’t disagree more. His impact was truly understood and appreciated by all.
Good for him too he’s earned it and will do well. Great recruiter and great coach. May end up back at OSU someday with head coaching experience.
We live in very different circles of OSU fans.. Appreciated yes.. but family, friends, professional circle all saying this isn't a big deal at all and he's not the reason for all the great receivers of the last decade. I couldn't disagree more and my opinion is the minority in my circles. Losing him could be a big deal with recruiting receivers. maybe not since it's OSU.. but man.. the run he's had has been legendary and I don't use that term lightly.
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it isn't a big deal at all, IF (Big, Huge IF) the next guy can keep it going
but, us smart knowledgeable fans know damn well, the next guy could screw it up, royally
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it isn't a big deal at all, IF (Big, Huge IF) the next guy can keep it going
but, us smart knowledgeable fans know damn well, the next guy could screw it up, royally
Funny you should say.
Prodigal son, revered former QB coming home to coach the alma mater.
Hoping Klein is different than Frost.
Life is like a box of chocolates. Hope nobody played an ex-lax trick on us.
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Frosty ex-lax
keep yer fingers crossed and pray to your God!
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What if Penn State had just hired Hartline now. They pay him maybe $4 mil a year for 5 years. If he busts, well, it happens. Meanwhile they might sign some HC and pay more for 7 years and end up hiring Hartline 3 years from now.
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@Wildcat4E (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2270)
Why did the old guy, that's not very old, retire?
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Sitake to Penn State never made any sense. His success would not translate to the Big Ten.
Is there any word on Penn State giving Lousiville's Jeff Brohm a call? The other day Fox Sports' Brady Quinn was praising Brohm as the kind of hire that would "maximize" Penn State.
https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1996303721832075415?t=zCGCv5Y3QoVwETjA9uJ_Gw&s=19
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Looks like Brian Hartline is moving on.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2025/12/160107/brian-hartline-hired-by-usf
Oops, I didn't click back a page to notice that you had beaten me to this by a couple of hours.
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@Wildcat4E (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2270)
Why did the old guy, that's not very old, retire?
Speculating, but that's what we and the "experts" in the media do, right?
He had to take some time off last year for a family member's (or maybe his own) serious illness. The team tanked at the end of the season last year, and started off terrible this year. I don't think Klieman has the fire for it anymore.
He is loyal to a fault to his coordinators, who frankly aren't very good. We have had all kinds of talent from the secondary drafted to the No Fun League, but they couldn't cover for squat while Wildcats. The offense as a whole has been abysmal this year--save the record setting rushing performance--setting a stadium record AT Utah--but losing.
It also could be that the friggin job ain't the job all these guys have been doing for their whole career. It also could be that the plan has always been to bring Klein home, and he was about to get a job somewhere else and the timetable got moved up in a hurry.
I don't know how to feel. Keyboard warriors were bitching about Klein's offense at times when he was in Manhattan. I lamented that we were probably stuck with Klieman and mediocrity earlier this season, pointing to his 29 MM buyout. But, the dude "retired." I bet some deal was made to pay him far less to go away and make room for the prodigal son.
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We live in very different circles of OSU fans.. Appreciated yes.. but family, friends, professional circle all saying this isn't a big deal at all and he's not the reason for all the great receivers of the last decade. I couldn't disagree more and my opinion is the minority in my circles. Losing him could be a big deal with recruiting receivers. maybe not since it's OSU.. but man.. the run he's had has been legendary and I don't use that term lightly.
I'm with you 100%.
Even at a school that recruits as well as Ohio State the ability to simply plug-and-play from one First Round WR to the next to the next to the next is just not something that is normal, it is legendary.
I think the best illustration of it is Emeka Egbuka. That dude was a first round pick and has proven that it was a good pick as his rookie season is going phenomenally well and he was NEVER WR1 at Ohio State because despite how good he is, Ohio State always had somebody better. That is nuts. Anywhere else Egbuka is THE MAN at WR for AT LEAST a year or two but not at Ohio State in the current run where there were so many NFL WRs on the roster that a dude as good as Egubka is kindof an afterthought because he played behind JSN, MHJ, and Smith. That is nuts.
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Wow, I would be happy if MSU had landed him. Thought he would for sure get a P4 job if he wanted to leave
That is the only thing that surprises me about this. As phenomenal as his run has been, I thought he would leave for a higher profile gig.
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something besides a sickness or getting tired of the job caused this retirement if there was really $20+ million on the table
I'm guessin you are right - he got paid to step aside
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Who is Penn State waiting on?
I think this is a REALLY good question because that has gone eerily quiet. I think that either they have their guy but he is coaching a team in the CFP hunt and unwilling to leave during a CFP run or they fired Franklin with no viable plan and have struck out on everyone they've called and now they are trying to figure out what to do.
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Good for him too he’s earned it and will do well. Great recruiter and great coach. May end up back at OSU someday with head coaching experience.
That could happen someday.
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That is the only thing that surprises me about this. As phenomenal as his run has been, I thought he would leave for a higher profile gig.
I'd guess that's his choice.
take a lower pr0file gig first and see how it goes - gain some experience
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Lol. This made me laugh. I stopped caring after they bailed on Baker and put all their eggs in the pervert basket.
I have brought up before - serious/sincere that a collection of dewds on this board would definitely be better talent evaluators than many making a living in the No Fun League. Jimmy Hasbeen has his head so far up his own ass he could eat his lunch again.Many times the Browns had multiple 1st rd picks in a draft only to see them out of the league in 3 yrs. It's like the movie Groundhog Day only it's not funny,it's infuriating
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I think this is a REALLY good question because that has gone eerily quiet. I think that either they have their guy but he is coaching a team in the CFP hunt and unwilling to leave during a CFP run or they fired Franklin with no viable plan and have struck out on everyone they've called and now they are trying to figure out what to do.
Feels really rough. They had two kids sign. The coaches who might have been interested may look at that and see "set up to fail" now.
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like the hire for MSU of Pat Fitzgerald. Dude can coach ball, but more importantly think he'll be a good fit there.
call me crazy but I think Lane Kiffin will fall flat on his face at LSU. seems to me like Ole Miss was the perfect place for him. dude was a disaster in the NFL, at Tennessee, and at USC. seems to me like the smaller jobs with less expectations and media scrutiny on him is where he thrives. LSU throwing $100+ million at back to back coaches only to get rid of both within 4 years is going to be hilarious. a) bc it's stupid idea to think you can just throw $100 million at a coach and it'll just work- cause save Saban and Urbz there ain't no such thing as sure bets in coaching hires and b) bc LSU is a poor school in a poor state that flat out just doesn't have the money or obscenely wealthy booster base to keep doing this wild cowboy go for bust never going broke worry about it tomorrow spending. looming disaster incoming....
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I have brought up before - serious/sincere that a collection of dewds on this board would definitely be better talent evaluators than many making a living in the No Fun League. Jimmy Hasbeen has his head so far up his own ass he could eat his lunch again.Many times the Browns had multiple 1st rd picks in a draft only to see them out of the league in 3 yrs. It's like the movie Groundhog Day only it's not funny,it's infuriating
The thing is that if it was just a current guy issue it would be easy, fire that guy and get a new one.
Somehow the Browns have mismanaged personnel for decades.
I said long ago that a monkey throwing darts at a wall with names on it would make better picks simply because, statistically speaking, the monkey would get at least some picks right.
All you can do is laugh.
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Or Cry
like the hire for MSU of Pat Fitzgerald. Dude can coach ball, but more importantly think he'll be a good fit there.
call me crazy but I think Lane Kiffin will fall flat on his face at LSU. seems to me like Ole Miss was the perfect place for him. dude was a disaster in the NFL, at Tennessee, and at USC. seems to me like the smaller jobs with less expectations and media scrutiny on him is where he thrives.
Agree with both Ole Miss is in a nice area paid good and they're glad to have him. He seemingly has a peculiar ability for rubbing everybody up the wrong way. The Cajuns will probably bring alot more froth than ole Miss Fans should things go sideways early. However he's almost getting a blank check for procuring talent but I wouldn't invite him to dinner or Harbaugh or URBZ either.
And Fitz at least has a grasp on straight forward fundamentals,mechanics,techniques and is a Midwest Guy. Neither Smitty or Tugger before him covered themselves in glory in E.L.
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I have brought up before - serious/sincere that a collection of dewds on this board would definitely be better talent evaluators than many making a living in the No Fun League. Jimmy Hasbeen has his head so far up his own ass he could eat his lunch again.Many times the Browns had multiple 1st rd picks in a draft only to see them out of the league in 3 yrs. It's like the movie Groundhog Day only it's not funny,it's infuriating
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He's a terrible person. He's not just an owner that doesn't know how to run an NFL organization, he's actually terrible at his core and part of his wealth was from ripping off small business owner truckers and somehow it all got pushed under the rug. Makes me sick. I have nothing positive to say about that dude at all.
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There's some undisclosed issue sidelining the Ohio Bobcat HC.
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There's some undisclosed issue sidelining the Ohio Bobcat HC.
I was trying to get the tea from my daughter but she didn't know
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https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1996303721832075415?t=zCGCv5Y3QoVwETjA9uJ_Gw&s=19
For all my personal sadness at having Brohm leave Purdue, I understand it. He was going back to his alma mater. He was deeply invested in the Louisville community. He's got family and connections there. And the fan base loves him.
I would be surprised to see him leave, even for Penn State which is undoubtedly a much "better" job when it comes to being high profile. But I don't think that's what animates Jeff Brohm. Hell, has he even traded in his old 2004 Honda Accord yet?
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For all my personal sadness at having Brohm leave Purdue, I understand it. He was going back to his alma mater. He was deeply invested in the Louisville community. He's got family and connections there. And the fan base loves him.
I would be surprised to see him leave, even for Penn State which is undoubtedly a much "better" job when it comes to being high profile. But I don't think that's what animates Jeff Brohm. Hell, has he even traded in his old 2004 Honda Accord yet?
if Michigan got wise and dumped Sharon, Brohm would be way high up on my personal wish list. dude is a hell of a coach. doubt he'd ever leave Louisville though.
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For all my personal sadness at having Brohm leave Purdue, I understand it. I would be surprised to see him leave, even for Penn State which is undoubtedly a much "better" job when it comes to being high profile. But I don't think that's what animates Jeff Brohm. Hell, has he even traded in his old 2004 Honda Accord yet?
I know I've been waiting or the cheap squeek to sell it
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I posted this on the SEC board, but also putting it here since it fits.
It's weird that Ole Miss is letting Charlie Weis Jr. return to coach the Re-bears in the playoffs. Several have pointed out the ways it would be dumb for Ole Miss to let Kiffin stay there and coach, and they have good points. But all the same stuff applies to Weis as well, who has followed Kiffin to Baton Rouge to be the OC there.
It seems to me like Ole Miss is not so much worried about tampering from the inside as they are mad at Kiffin for leaving. Which....fair enough. But it seems ill-advised to let Weis return and coach for all the same reasons people have mentioned about letting Kiffin stay and coach.
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like the hire for MSU of Pat Fitzgerald. Dude can coach ball, but more importantly think he'll be a good fit there.
call me crazy but I think Lane Kiffin will fall flat on his face at LSU. seems to me like Ole Miss was the perfect place for him. dude was a disaster in the NFL, at Tennessee, and at USC. seems to me like the smaller jobs with less expectations and media scrutiny on him is where he thrives. LSU throwing $100+ million at back to back coaches only to get rid of both within 4 years is going to be hilarious. a) bc it's stupid idea to think you can just throw $100 million at a coach and it'll just work- cause save Saban and Urbz there ain't no such thing as sure bets in coaching hires and b) bc LSU is a poor school in a poor state that flat out just doesn't have the money or obscenely wealthy booster base to keep doing this wild cowboy go for bust never going broke worry about it tomorrow spending. looming disaster incoming....
I think there's a fairly even chance, say 50%, that he fails to meet expectations that the AD and fans have of him. He almost certainly was safer at Ole Miss, who would've probably been happy to keep him for years, especially after having an 11-win season.
I've never much cared for the guy and I can't force myself to change that just because he's our coach. But I'm getting used to that now, because I never liked Brian Kelly either, and I had to put up with him for the past 4 years. But, like Kelly, I hope Kiffin does well, even if I don't like him.
The one thing I disagree with is your assessment of LSU's poverty. The Athletic Department is not poor. Like other universities, it operates on its own budget and does not depend on tax dollars. It's one of the richest ADs out there. It's one of the biggest brands out there, despite the football team sucking for the last 6 years. Compared to most places, that place is awash in money. And you've really underestimated the donors and boosters. They're not Texas, or even Texas A&M, but there's plenty enough money around there to do what football programs need to do. I mean, one single booster is paying all or most of Kelly's buyout. He's one of the richest men in the world. The problem LSU had in the early goings of NIL was their failure to open the hands of their boosters and communicate to them the reality of the new landscape and the need for them to step it up. For better or for worse, a bunch of them have gotten on board with running Kelly off and ponying up for NIL and contract money. Which isn't even touching the ADs generous budget.
The state may be poor and run into the ground with decades of bad leadership, but the athletic department is anything but.
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I posted this on the SEC board, but also putting it here since it fits.
It's weird that Ole Miss is letting Charlie Weis Jr. return to coach the Re-bears in the playoffs. Several have pointed out the ways it would be dumb for Ole Miss to let Kiffin stay there and coach, and they have good points. But all the same stuff applies to Weis as well, who has followed Kiffin to Baton Rouge to be the OC there.
It seems to me like Ole Miss is not so much worried about tampering from the inside as they are mad at Kiffin for leaving. Which....fair enough. But it seems ill-advised to let Weis return and coach for all the same reasons people have mentioned about letting Kiffin stay and coach.
I don't meant this to be argumentative, just a thought/question:
Did they keep him because at some point you need SOMEBODY to coach the team. I mean you can tell the departing HC to take a hike but you can't tell the entire staff to get lost, right?
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I don't meant this to be argumentative, just a thought/question:
Did they keep him because at some point you need SOMEBODY to coach the team. I mean you can tell the departing HC to take a hike but you can't tell the entire staff to get lost, right?
Right, they wouldn't tell the staff to get lost. An incoming coach frequently has the option to retain current coaches who haven't already left for other jobs. What's weird to me is that Weis has taken another job, at LSU, with Kiffin. The term "returning" to coach has been used by both LSU and Ole Miss. You don't "return" unless you've left. And he has left, for an annual rival. Why let him stay and poach more players? They already flipped 3 kids who were Ole Miss-bound in the early signing period.....why let more of that continue from the inside?
I guess it's a question of need, but OAM made a relevant point about how unlikely it is for Ole Miss or any team to win an NC in the new format. Ole Miss has made the calculation and prioritized the future over the best chance of winning this playoff. If they basically conceded this playoff, then just let one of the people left on staff coach the team. Don't bring Weis back, who's already drawing a check in Baton Rouge.
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Sometimes the HC is just a figurehead, and the OC is the brains behind the operation.
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I posted this on the SEC board, but also putting it here since it fits.
It's weird that Ole Miss is letting Charlie Weis Jr. return to coach the Re-bears in the playoffs. Several have pointed out the ways it would be dumb for Ole Miss to let Kiffin stay there and coach, and they have good points. But all the same stuff applies to Weis as well, who has followed Kiffin to Baton Rouge to be the OC there.
It seems to me like Ole Miss is not so much worried about tampering from the inside as they are mad at Kiffin for leaving. Which....fair enough. But it seems ill-advised to let Weis return and coach for all the same reasons people have mentioned about letting Kiffin stay and coach.
Yeah like I responded on the SEC thread, and this is just my speculation, but I think they're probably doing it because they're worried the playoff committee will dump a coach-less Ole Miss in the same way they dumped a QB-less FSU a few years back. The Ole Miss administration wanted to show coaching continuity to avoid being jettisoned from the CFP.
I don't think the committee was really going to dump Ole Miss, but I can see the concern.
And I view it as being almost as detrimental to Ole Miss's current team, as it would be if they'd let Kiffin himself stick around and coach. Absolutely a case of the fox guarding the hen house.
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I think it fairly common that the HC operates as a CEO with two COOs who make most decisions during a game. Maybe the HC has the occasional comment and oversees discussion about tactics pregame, and basic practice outlines.
Some HCs obviously are very involved on the sidelines.
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Right, they wouldn't tell the staff to get lost. An incoming coach frequently has the option to retain current coaches who haven't already left for other jobs. What's weird to me is that Weis has taken another job, at LSU, with Kiffin. The term "returning" to coach has been used by both LSU and Ole Miss. You don't "return" unless you've left. And he has left, for an annual rival. Why let him stay and poach more players? They already flipped 3 kids who were Ole Miss-bound in the early signing period.....why let more of that continue from the inside?
I guess it's a question of need, but OAM made a relevant point about how unlikely it is for Ole Miss or any team to win an NC in the new format. Ole Miss has made the calculation and prioritized the future over the best chance of winning this playoff. If they basically conceded this playoff, then just let one of the people left on staff coach the team. Don't bring Weis back, who's already drawing a check in Baton Rouge.
That all makes sense. I think if you or I were the AD at Old Miss it is a difficult situation. My first inclination would be what you are saying, I want all of these guys who are leaving for, as you point out, an annual rival, GONE. OTOH, I'd be concerned that if I completely cleaned house I wouldn't have a prayer in this year's CFP.
How likely is it for Ole Miss anyway? I agree with OAM's underlying point and I also think that Ole Miss is a substantially overrated based on playing an extremely easy version of an SEC schedule but still, how many chances is Ole Miss going to get? Also, even if they can't win it all, their first round game could be at home against Tulane and they already beat the daylights out of Tulane earlier this year.
Ole Miss SEC schedule this year:
- Lost 43-35 at 7-1 UGA
- Won 34-26 at 6-2 OU
- Won 24-19 vs 3-5 LSU
- Won 34-24 vs 2-6 UF
- Won 30-23 at 2-6 UK
- Won 38-19 vs 1-7 MissSt
- Won 30-14 vs 1-7 USCe
- Won 41-35 vs 0-8 Ark
Seven SEC teams finished with losing records, Ole Miss played six of them and went 6-0. Seven SEC teams finished with winning records, Ole Miss played two of them and went 1-1. If you flip their schedule but keep the percentages, they are a 5-3/9-3 team. I'm not saying they suck, just that they are a bit overrated based on schedule.
All of that said, if you look at the current bracket projections Ole Miss appears to be heading toward hosting either Virginia or Tulane in the first round. That is a game they would be HEAVILY favored in. Then in the second round they get perhaps Georgia. I wouldn't pick Ole Miss to win that game but earlier this year they went into the fourth quarter up 35-26 on the Dogs. Granted, they gave up 17 unanswered points in that fourth quarter and lost by eight but that doesn't suggest that it would be altogether impossible for the Rebels to win that game. If they were to win that it would get them into a game with Indiana, Notre Dame, or aTm. None of those seem insurmountable.
I'm not saying that Ole Miss would win the NC nor even make the NC Game but I am saying that if I were the AD at Ole Miss I wouldn't want to squander the possibility of accomplishing anything in the CFP.
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you absolutely need to give the players, coaches that are still there, and the fans the best possible opportunity to win a playoff game
if that's Charlie Weis Jr., so be it
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Ole Miss SEC schedule this year:
- Lost 43-35 at 7-1 UGA
- Won 34-26 at 6-2 OU
- Won 24-19 vs 3-5 LSU
- Won 34-24 vs 2-6 UF
- Won 30-23 at 2-6 UK
- Won 38-19 vs 1-7 MissSt
- Won 30-14 vs 1-7 USCe
- Won 41-35 vs 0-8 Ark
Seven SEC teams finished with losing records, Ole Miss played six of them and went 6-0. Seven SEC teams finished with winning records, Ole Miss played two of them and went 1-1. If you flip their schedule but keep the percentages, they are a 5-3/9-3 team. I'm not saying they suck, just that they are a bit overrated based on schedule.
Minor quibble:
Though it wouldn't change anything in this case, don't forget to remove the Ole Miss game from the opponents' records when looking at stuff like this. That's how the "advanced" stats like S&P+, FEI, and all the old BCS computers handle sos. Philosophically, you don't want to punish a team's sos by dinging their opponent with a loss when said team in question gave them that loss. Similarly, you don't want to reward a team's sos by assigning the opponent a win, when that win was over the team in question. So when considering Ole Miss, UGA is 6-1, OU is 6-1, LSU is 3-4, UF is 2-5, etc. Again, it doesn't matter to your point in this case, but in some cases it would change how many teams you have with winning/losing records. Ole Miss' schedule this year just happens to be against a couple of very quality teams, and then a slew of pretty bad teams.
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Minor quibble:
Though it wouldn't change anything in this case, don't forget to remove the Ole Miss game from the opponents' records when looking at stuff like this. That's how the "advanced" stats like S&P+, FEI, and all the old BCS computers handle sos. Philosophically, you don't want to punish a team's sos by dinging their opponent with a loss when said team in question gave them that loss. Similarly, you don't want to reward a team's sos by assigning the opponent a win, when that win was over the team in question. So when considering Ole Miss, UGA is 6-1, OU is 6-1, LSU is 3-4, UF is 2-5, etc. Again, it doesn't matter to your point in this case, but in some cases it would change how many teams you have with winning/losing records. Ole Miss' schedule this year just happens to be against a couple of very quality teams, and then a slew of pretty bad teams.
I get the logic but there are two reasons I don't do that. The first is just because it is a lot more work typing up a post to subtract the result against the team in question so I'm just lazy and use the actual record.
The other reason is that I'm not fully convinced by the logic. Consider this:
Ole Miss and Alabama both played Georgia and Georgia finished 7-1. The Rebels lost and the Tide won so using what you presented:
- UGA is a 7-0 team as against Bama and
- UGA is a 6-1 team as against Ole Miss
So UGA is a better team on Bama's schedule than they are on Ole Miss' schedule? That makes no sense to me. They both played the same team.
Here is a bigger example: Ohio State and Purdue both played Washington, Michigan, Illinois, Rutgers, and Minnesota this year. Ohio State went 5-0 against those teams while Purdue went 0-5. You are telling me that those five teams were better against tOSU than they were against Purdue?
What if Purdue and Ohio State didn't play each other but they played the same nine B1G teams and just for this example lets say that they also played the same three OOC games. Just to make it simple, lets say Ohio State went 12-0 and Purdue went 0-12. So you would tell me that even though Ohio State and Purdue played the exact same schedule, Ohio State played a tougher schedule than Purdue? That makes no sense to me, it is literally the exact same schedule.
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I get the logic but there are two reasons I don't do that. The first is just because it is a lot more work typing up a post to subtract the result against the team in question so I'm just lazy and use the actual record.
The other reason is that I'm not fully convinced by the logic. Consider this:
Ole Miss and Alabama both played Georgia and Georgia finished 7-1. The Rebels lost and the Tide won so using what you presented:
- UGA is a 7-0 team as against Bama and
- UGA is a 6-1 team as against Ole Miss
So UGA is a better team on Bama's schedule than they are on Ole Miss' schedule? That makes no sense to me. They both played the same team.
Here is a bigger example: Ohio State and Purdue both played Washington, Michigan, Illinois, Rutgers, and Minnesota this year. Ohio State went 5-0 against those teams while Purdue went 0-5. You are telling me that those five teams were better against tOSU than they were against Purdue?
What if Purdue and Ohio State didn't play each other but they played the same nine B1G teams and just for this example lets say that they also played the same three OOC games. Just to make it simple, lets say Ohio State went 12-0 and Purdue went 0-12. So you would tell me that even though Ohio State and Purdue played the exact same schedule, Ohio State played a tougher schedule than Purdue? That makes no sense to me, it is literally the exact same schedule.
I see your point, and it's a valid one, but in the world of the stats nerds, self-referentialism is considered a more major flaw than asymmetry. In network theory, neither way is considered perfect, so there's a tradeoff either way. But you get way better results by removing node's effect when considering that node's environment. In our example, teams would be analogous to nodes, and games would be what's called "edges." In the world of machine-learning, cross-validation always removes the data point being predicted for this very reason. The theory as well as the results behind ML are pretty solid.
If you want more detail from the ground up about that, it would take quite some doing, not sure I have the fortitude to type something like that up, even on a slow day.
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I see your point, and it's a valid one, but in the world of the stats nerds, self-referentialism is considered a more major flaw than asymmetry. In network theory, neither way is considered perfect, so there's a tradeoff either way. But you get way better results by removing node's effect when considering that node's environment. In our example, teams would be analogous to nodes, and games would be what's called "edges." In the world of machine-learning, cross-validation always removes the data point being predicted for this very reason. The theory as well as the results behind ML are pretty solid.
If you want more detail from the ground up about that, it would take quite some doing, not sure I have the fortitude to type something like that up, even on a slow day.
I get it, it is just that, to me personally, what you called asymmetry is a bigger problem than what you called self-referentialism. I just feel that if two teams play the EXACT same schedule then they necessarily have the exact same SoS.
And we can put that to bed because, as you said at the beginning of this tangent, it is a minor quibble. Either way Ole Miss played a relatively weak SEC Schedule.
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And we can put that to bed because, as you said at the beginning of this tangent, it is a minor quibble.
But someone on the internet is WRONG and I have to do something about that!!! :)
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But someone on the internet is WRONG and I have to do something about that!!! :)
Took long enough, but it finally happened. Switch it off now Al, your dream is dead
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But someone on the internet is WRONG and I have to do something about that!!! :)
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Franklin hired back the HC that VT just fired to be his DC. So is VT paying their own offset?
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probably not and obviously why he was retained
Franklin being setup for failure
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He wasn't retained. He was Franklin's DC at PSU, which is why VT hired him to be HC. Franklin wanted him back as his DC
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ahh, thought he was still at VT
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I'm confused.
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cornfused
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Ok, I read the story, and now I'm even more confused.
Brent Pry was the Head Coach at VT. He sucked, they fired him in September. As I recall, he was the first coach fired.
James Franklin is the new HC at VT. Pry used to be the DC for JF at PSU.
JF re-hired Pry to be the DC at VT, who fired him as HC.
I wonder how that really works, with returning players and all that. I just don't see that being a good move. Ever had a boss that was demoted before?
I guess now he can just stay put, I hope he didn't sell his house.
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and hope his better players loved him and want to stay
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Ok, I read the story, and now I'm even more confused.
Brent Pry was the Head Coach at VT. He sucked, they fired him in September. As I recall, he was the first coach fired.
James Franklin is the new HC at VT. Pry used to be the DC for JF at PSU.
JF re-hired Pry to be the DC at VT, who fired him as HC.
I wonder how that really works, with returning players and all that. I just don't see that being a good move. Ever had a boss that was demoted before?
I guess now he can just stay put, I hope he didn't sell his house.
I think in the past, it would be a problem. Today, with roster turnover being so substantial, I don't think it matters.
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I guess now he can just stay put, I hope he didn't sell his house.
maybe the wife wanted a different house/neighborhood
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maybe the wife wanted a different house/neighborhood
HC down to DC might precipitate a move from the gated country club to the trailer park.
How can a guy live on a million dollar assistant job these days?
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HC down to DC might precipitate a move from the gated country club to the trailer park.
How can a guy live on a million dollar assistant job these days?
Wouldn’t you think since he’s already guaranteed his salary for being fired his pay stays the same ?
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Didn't someone try to go back to Oregon State as OC, when they used to be the head coach, and then quit before the season started? Mike Riley, Gary Andersen, someone of that ilk?
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Well I'm not too worried about the Wolverines going after Matt Patricia, due to his tumultuous history as HC of the Detroit Lions.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Aaw3WM4zRBA
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Sherrone Moore Fired
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https://twitter.com/bryan_aguada/status/1998891210577174895?s=46&t=USeRp_KFCCpQS8kYfKvwzQ
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Counterpoint:
https://twitter.com/Bryan_Aguada/status/1989579511441019265?s=20
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Wow and the coaching carousel keeps getting crazier.
DeBoer --> Michigan
Kiffin --> Alabama?
Elko --> LSU?
Brian Kelly --> A&M?
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If that really happens I'm going back to watching Looney Tunes on Saturdays. At least mel Blanc was aiming for laughs - Circle of Life
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All the other big-boy programs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvUgnfFReII (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvUgnfFReII)
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and all the little boys
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Michigan should be able to get a top-notch replacement after settling on Moore.
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Kentucky is expected to hire Texas A&M DC Jay Bateman as its next defensive coordinator, per CBS Sports’ @mzenitz.
(https://i.imgur.com/oahlH8E.png)
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Coaches I've heard as potential replacements for Moore:
Kalen DeBoer
Jesse Minter
Jedd Fisch
Jason Eck
Pulling Temp's preliminary list from the Michigan Offseason thread:
Jesse Minter - I just can't imagine Michigan starting their coaching search with someone who is actively under a "show cause" for infractions committed while at Michigan. Yes, I know it ends for Minter in a few months, but still, Warde Manuel would be exercising a stunning level of shamelessness to fly in a private jet to Inglewood.
Jason Eck - Maybe Eck will get a call testing the waters, but I think the stars are aligning for Eck to eventually get a call from Madison. And coming off one good year out in the Mountain West helming New Mexico, wouldn't hiring Eck feel like when Michigan hired Brady Hoke after his turnaround 9-4 season at San Diego State?
Kalen DeBoer - Hiring DeBoer would take at least $12M a year because that's about what Alabama is paying him. And wouldn't it take a bit of begging? Because I don't see why DeBoer would be inclined to leave Alabama for Michigan. More importantly, DeBoer isn't exactly a schematic fit. His offenses depend on having an elite QB do everything. Yes, that can be said for other elite programs, however, with DeBoer, his emphasis on running the offense entirely through the QB is done at a cost to the running game. His successful teams do not run the ball effectively and on the other side of the ball, DeBoer's defenses don't reliably stop the run. A big upside is that Underwood will develop well under DeBoer.
Jedd Fisch - I think this is the most realistic hire. As well as the "safe" hire for Michigan to make. And Jedd Fisch will want this job dearly; he will pull out all the stops to sell himself to Michigan's hiring committee. I have nothing bad to say about the work Jedd Fisch did in Arizona. The turnaround Fisch helmed during his three seasons at Arizona, going from 1-11 in 2021 to 10-3 in 2023, was truly miraculous. He schemed his offenses well, his quarterbacks developed and improved game by game, and he quickly turned a talent deprived roster into a very well-rounded roster across each unit. He was also able to identify under-recruited prospects that turned out to be better than expected. Arizona is 9-3 this season and several of the Wildcats All-Conference players were prospects with no other scholarship offers. The longer he was at Arizona, the more his teams played prepared, weren't intimidated by better opponents, and didn't mind piling it on against teams more at their level.
Arizona fans weren't happy with how Fisch fled to Washington, however, when he was hired, we all knew he would take a more prestigious job at first chance. I doubt Michigan will have to worry about Fisch leaving.
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I'm not at all plugged in but actually listened to some sports talk radio this morning on the way into the office.
They mentioned that the NY Giants are interested in Marcus Freeman.
Would be crazy if the Notre Dame job opened up at the same time as the Michigan job, and what kind of domino effects might be felt from that.
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I have the prefect coach for both schools if they want him. Free shipping included. No buyout needed.
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Pulling Temp's preliminary list from the Michigan Offseason thread:
Jesse Minter - I just can't imagine Michigan starting their coaching search with someone who is actively under a "show cause" for infractions committed while at Michigan. Yes, I know it ends for Minter in a few months, but still, Warde Manuel would be exercising a stunning level of shamelessness to fly in a private jet to Inglewood.
Ends on Christmas day.
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Still would be a bad look.
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Still would be a bad look.
Do they care?
Any other institution would have cleaned out everyone involved in the Stallions cheating scheme, they didn't because they think they are better than everyone and don't care.
Yes, it would take, as @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) said "a stunning level of shamelessness" for them to hire someone deeply involved in their cheating scheme but you need to understand the institution, they simply don't care.
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Yeah, they've been full on SEC mode since the covid season.
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not sure the SEC deserves that low blow
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Klatt thinks it's either Lea, Elko, or Dillingham for Michigan. Of the three I like Elko the best. Thinking Ann Arbor wouldn't be a hard sell compared to College Station for an Ivy league guy.
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Klatt thinks it's either Lea, Elko, or Dillingham for Michigan. Of the three I like Elko the best. Thinking Ann Arbor wouldn't be a hard sell compared to College Station for an Ivy league guy.
I like all 3 more than Fisch
Dillingham was the name I thought of first that hadn't otherwise been mentioned.
Is Texas A&M willing the break the bank AGAIN to prevent their coach from getting poached?
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If Michigan's search drags on to the playoffs it's a good guess their target is participating.
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A lot of rumor.
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If Michigan's search drags on to the playoffs it's a good guess their target is participating.
Coordinating the nation's #1 defense
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Michigan should be able to get a top-notch replacement after settling on Moore.
100%. facilities and donor base for NIL is there. they are 2 years removed from a Natty and they have an uber-talented #1 overall recruit true freshman QB about to go into his sophomore season, very young talented OL pieces, stacked RB room, and a breakout true frosh WR about to go into his soph season.
that's a pretty damn desirable job imo. if you're a QB whisperer coach and you believe in Underwood's raw talent and that you can develop him- all you gotta do is add a WR or two in the porthole and develop the QB you're going to be cooking with grease in 2026.
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100%. facilities and donor base for NIL is there. they are 2 years removed from a Natty and they have an uber-talented #1 overall recruit true freshman QB about to go into his sophomore season, very young talented OL pieces, stacked RB room, and a breakout true frosh WR about to go into his soph season.
that's a pretty damn desirable job imo. if you're a QB whisperer coach and you believe in Underwood's raw talent and that you can develop him- all you gotta do is add a WR or two in the porthole and develop the QB you're going to be cooking with grease in 2026.
That's why I think Dillingham should be the first call.
He's at his alma mater, but the gap between getting a Big Ten/SEC job, and a Big XII/ACC job is huge, and you are talking a top 3 Big Ten job.
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Do they care?
why the fuck should they care? Minter was never proven to have been involved at all in the Stallions saga. that's not what he was given a show cause for genius. at least get your facts right if you're going to continue to whine about that. Minter was given a meaningless one year show cause for recruiting violations- something completely unrelated to Stallions.
Jesse Minter would be a PHENOMENAL fucking hire. The guy is a genius level DC and has future superstar HC written all over him. He was the guy who should've been promoted to coach but Jeem ain't no dummy- he knew what the fuck he was doing leaving Moore behind to be the fall guy and taking Jesse Minter with him to the NFL. If Moore was so great why didn't Jeem take him to the NFL like he did damn near every other coach in his staff?
It's a moot point anyway because Jesse Minter is going to be one of the hottest names in the 2026 NFL head coaching carousel. Minter will have his pick of the litter for NFL jobs in 2026- he won't even consider the Michigan job or any college job for that matter.
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That's why I think Dillingham should be the first call.
He's at his alma mater, but the gap between getting a Big Ten/SEC job, and a Big XII/ACC job is huge, and you are talking a top 3 Big Ten job.
Dillingham would be a great choice. he would definitely maximize and develop Underwood's talents imo.
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Klatt thinks it's either Lea, Elko, or Dillingham for Michigan. Of the three I like Elko the best. Thinking Ann Arbor wouldn't be a hard sell compared to College Station for an Ivy league guy.
Dillingham and Elko make a ton of sense. Elko knows the region broadly speaking and his style fits the "Michigan football Brand" really well. He's also the hottest new coach (until the CFP). He'd be really expensive but I feel pretty confident that Michigan can afford the price, but it will be in the Smart/Day pay range and that is a massive number.
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my personal wish list...in no order....
call Saban and Urban - they will both say no, but just make them say it to you. only sure thing hires there are in the sport.
Jesse Minter
Jeff Brohm
Kenny Dillingham
Joe Brady
Marcus Freeman
Mike Elko
Clark Lea
Jason Eck
Jedd Fisch
on the fence about Kalen DaBoer. love the offense he will bring, but highly worried about toughness and defense with him.
edit: call #1 would be to Curt Cigarette and throw $180 million at him and make him say no.
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I disagree about Urban at this point
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I disagree about Urban at this point
That he'll say no or that he should be called?
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why the fuck should they care? Minter was never proven to have been involved at all in the Stallions saga. that's not what he was given a show cause for genius. at least get your facts right if you're going to continue to whine about that. Minter was given a meaningless one year show cause for recruiting violations- something completely unrelated to Stallions.
Simmer down jackass, the adults are talking here.
Your "point" that Minter was involved in a DIFFERENT scandal (other than Scallions) actually makes the point that @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) , @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) , and I were making even stronger. It is irrelevant which scandal Minter was specifically tagged with. The underlying fact remains that he was a part of a scandal plagued coaching administration.
Bottom line, Hairball's administration oversaw (and these are just the big ones):
- The COVID Dead period recruiting scandal
- The Sign stealing cheating scandal
- The hacking computers to steal naked pictures of coed athletes scandal
- The banging (and apparently impregnating) a young staffer scandal
EVERYONE outside the Michigan Bubble sees this as terrible conduct. All of us are thankful that our school didn't do these things. All of us would be embarrassed if our school did these things.
As @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) said, it would be shockingly shameless for them to then hire a guy tied into the previous regime's litany of scandals.
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Simmer down jackass, the adults are talking here.
Your "point" that Minter was involved in a DIFFERENT scandal (other than Scallions) actually makes the point that @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) , @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) , and I were making even stronger. It is irrelevant which scandal Minter was specifically tagged with. The underlying fact remains that he was a part of a scandal plagued coaching administration.
Bottom line, Hairball's administration oversaw (and these are just the big ones):
- The COVID Dead period recruiting scandal
- The Sign stealing cheating scandal
- The hacking computers to steal naked pictures of coed athletes scandal
- The banging (and apparently impregnating) a young staffer scandal
EVERYONE outside the Michigan Bubble sees this as terrible conduct. All of us are thankful that our school didn't do these things. All of us would be embarrassed if our school did these things.
As @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) said, it would be shockingly shameless for them to then hire a guy tied into the previous regime's litany of scandals.
the only jackass here is you, you sniveling whining holier art thou pussy.
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the only jackass here is you, you sniveling whining holier art thou pussy.
Then why are you at odd with EVERYONE? Your dirtbag program is the problem. The fact that you personally are a dirtbag is the problem. I consider it an honor for you to call me names because I would NEVER want to be respected by a piece of trash like you.
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That he'll say no or that he should be called?
That he should be called
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Apparently former Illinois QB Nathan Scheelhaase is a big time up and comer, but might be fully NFL at this point.
He's been the Rams' passing game coordinator for the past 2 seasons.
Granted he left being the Iowa State OC to do that
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Then why are you at odd with EVERYONE? Your dirtbag program is the problem. The fact that you personally are a dirtbag is the problem. I consider it an honor for you to call me names because I would NEVER want to be respected by a piece of trash like you.
dear god get a grip on yourself you crying hysterical woman.
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That he should be called
really? you think the game has passed Urbz up now? idk man i feel like he still got it.
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Apparently former Illinois QB Nathan Scheelhaase is a big time up and comer, but might be fully NFL at this point.
He's been the Rams' passing game coordinator for the past 2 seasons.
Granted he left being the Iowa State OC to do that
anybody with real NFL options will never take a college job at this point imo. NFL is just far superior with all the BS you have to deal with in college now and the hours are shorter and the pay is better.
Jesse Minter would be #1 on my wish list probably- but he's going to have his pick of the litter in NFL jobs in the 2026 coaching cycle.
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really? you think the game has passed Urbz up now? idk man i feel like he still got it.
I think recruiting/roster management has changed too much
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Urbz could hire someone to handle that for him
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anybody with real NFL options will never take a college job at this point imo. NFL is just far superior with all the BS you have to deal with in college now and the hours are shorter and the pay is better.
Jesse Minter would be #1 on my wish list probably- but he's going to have his pick of the litter in NFL jobs in the 2026 coaching cycle.
I agree.
Lions should give him a call to be their OC next year.
Apparently Harbaugh said in an interview last year that the only downside to bringing Minter with him was that it would just be a 1 year thing. It was lightly surprising that he didn't get an HC job last year. Only thought was he doesn't want that role. Feels comfortable being DC with a coach he is comfortable with, who has high job security. Why leave that to go have the Titans fire you after 24 games? Now if Pittsburgh or Baltimore comes open. And actual well run organization, who will give you time, then you listen
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Urbz could hire someone to handle that for him
agreed.
just keep Urbz' fingers far away from the co-eds butts at the bars and from the field goal kicker and everything should be dandy.
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https://twitter.com/mattbegreatyt/status/1998952687124230321?s=20
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dear god get a grip on yourself you crying hysterical woman.
More childish BS from the peanut gallery. An honor to be called names by trash like you, keep the names flying, the adults are having real conversations.
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I’d have to think A&M could match or exceed any offer for Elko. We’re not Ole Miss.
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Urbz could hire someone to handle that for him
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agreed.
just keep Urbz' fingers far away from the co-eds butts at the bars and from the field goal kicker and everything should be dandy.
She wasn't a co ed but he is willing to learn,he's another closet perv that didn't think it thru.Hell of a coach though
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https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1702396581633294524
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Apparently former Illinois QB Nathan Scheelhaase is a big time up and comer
Isn't that what got Mel,Matt Weiss and Sherrone in trouble? :017:
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I’d have to think A&M could match or exceed any offer for Elko. We’re not Ole Miss.
I remember Texas A&M tried to poach Schembechler in the early 1980s. They offered him $60k a year.
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I remember Texas A&M tried to poach Schembechler in the early 1980s. They offered him $60k a year.
they offered him a 10-year, $3 million contract. $300k a year for a coach was unprecedented at that time. which adjusted for inflation in todays dollars is little north of $1 million- which is a freaking bargain compared to what the top coaches make these days.
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https://twitter.com/daily_msu/status/1998940314569253211?s=20
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https://twitter.com/daily_msu/status/1998940314569253211?s=20
I dunno, might as well try a few more...
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The rest of the B1G:
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Whittingham is out at Utah
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I believe he retired not gotten canned
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Jesse Minter would be #1 on my wish list probably- but he's going to have his pick of the litter in NFL jobs in the 2026 coaching cycle.
Greg Roman ,Joe Brady, Mike LaFleur,Jim Bob Cooter, Kevin Patullo to name a few
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They can't hire coach Cooter at this particular juncture.
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They can't hire coach Cooter at this particular juncture.
yeah, probably a good idea for Michigan if the next coach avoids the cooter all together.
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yeah, probably a good idea for Michigan if the next coach avoids the cooter all together.
Also every coach in America currently scrubbing their Instagram follows as we speak.
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https://twitter.com/HuskGuys/status/1999608942394245363?s=20
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Hear me out......
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The Whittingham thing is weird. He wasn't fired, but the next sentence after the news he's leaving Utah is that he's planning on coaching again.
Uhhh. Leaving your job with no job lined up, but planning to get one immediately?
That's fired, no?
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I'm guessing he'll look to the NFL.
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where does it say, "immediately?"
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The Whittingham thing is weird. He wasn't fired, but the next sentence after the news he's leaving Utah is that he's planning on coaching again.
Uhhh. Leaving your job with no job lined up, but planning to get one immediately?
That's fired, no?
Most positive spin would be that he can install his longtime lieutenant and doesn’t want to overshadow him in the building, but still wants to do something.
I assume when he gets a new job, he will open up a little about it and say something.
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He's coaching the bowl game.
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yeah, probably a good idea for Michigan if the next coach avoids the cooter all together.
What did Cooter Do?
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Most positive spin would be that he can install his longtime lieutenant and doesn’t want to overshadow him in the building, but still wants to do something.
I assume when he gets a new job, he will open up a little about it and say something.
yup, maybe he wants his shot in the Big Ten or SEC and is a standup guy and patient - doesn't want to hurt Utah
take a year off and see what opportunities present themselves
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He is getting close to 70 I think.
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I don’t think the Utah situation with private equity can be overlooked. I’m sure there’s plenty of behind the scenes influence.
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What did Cooter Do?
Its undefeated
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The Whittingham thing is weird. He wasn't fired, but the next sentence after the news he's leaving Utah is that he's planning on coaching again.
Uhhh. Leaving your job with no job lined up, but planning to get one immediately?
That's fired, no?
I thought he already announced next year was his last, he just ended it earlier?
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Any coach who didnt already get their raise by flirting with PSU, sure will by flirting with UM now
https://twitter.com/i/status/1999896413279490516
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"flirting" probably isn't the best analogy with the Wolverines at this point.
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This was my clear #1.
Sounds like DeBoer isnt interested, and Minter isnt leaving the NFL. I mean, if you can get them, get them, but if they are off the table...
I honestly dont get the Jedd Fisch thing. I feel like if he hadnt spent 2 years there as an assistant, which is barely a connection, he wouldnt even be on the list. If you are going to keep wading into the Harbaugh era, I feel like it better be Minter. Nobody else is worth the PR.
Elko would be my first choice, if you can get him. Obviously the Vandy coach, but it does make me nervous if hes just a product of Pavia.
My total off the radar thought, and I know Michigan would never do it, but think of how many coaches at top teams this year had no prior college HC experience. Day, Lanning, Smart, McGuire, Venables. 5 of the top 8 teams in the CFP have coaches with no prior HC experience, 2 of the 3 were at JMU and Duke. The third got fired from his only two P5 jobs, amd already quit...
Indiana DC Bryant Haines. Only 40. From just outside Columbus, so he has ties to the region. Played at Ball State for Brady Hoke. Was a GA for Urban Meyer in 2013. Started coaching with Cignetti as S&C/DL at IUP in 2014 and has been woth him since. Was promoted to DC at JMU in 2019, amd kept that at IU. Hoosiers had the #2 scoring defense in the nation this year
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This was my clear #1.
Sounds like DeBoer isnt interested, and Minter isnt leaving the NFL. I mean, if you can get them, get them, but if they are off the table...
I honestly dont get the Jedd Fisch thing. I feel like if he hadnt spent 2 years there as an assistant, which is barely a connection, he wouldnt even be on the list. If you are going to keep wading into the Harbaugh era, I feel like it better be Minter. Nobody else is worth the PR.
Elko would be my first choice, if you can get him. Obviously the Vandy coach, but it does make me nervous if hes just a product of Pavia.
My total off the radar thought, and I know Michigan would never do it, but think of how many coaches at top teams this year had no prior college HC experience. Day, Lanning, Smart, McGuire, Venables. 5 of the top 8 teams in the CFP have coaches with no prior HC experience, 2 of the 3 were at JMU and Duke. The third got fired from his only two P5 jobs, amd already quit...
Indiana DC Bryant Haines. Only 40. From just outside Columbus, so he has ties to the region. Played at Ball State for Brady Hoke. Was a GA for Urban Meyer in 2013. Started coaching with Cignetti as S&C/DL at IUP in 2014 and has been woth him since. Was promoted to DC at JMU in 2019, amd kept that at IU. Hoosiers had the #2 scoring defense in the nation this year
You hush your mouth.
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You hush your mouth.
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Dillingham being at his alma mater is a thing.
I don't get the Fisch to UM idea either, if Florida didn't go after him (again, alma mater).
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Indiana DC Bryant Haines. Only 40. From just outside Columbus, so he has ties to the region. Played at Ball State for Brady Hoke. Was a GA for Urban Meyer in 2013. Started coaching with Cignetti as S&C/DL at IUP in 2014 and has been woth him since. Was promoted to DC at JMU in 2019, amd kept that at IU. Hoosiers had the #2 scoring defense in the nation this year
Entire post was great, but this is actually a phenomenal insight I’ve heard no one suggest or talk about.
Also completely agree on Fisch and Minter. If it’s not Minter, move on from the Harbaugh era. You have to at this point if it’s not Minter.
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What's wrong with Jedd Fisch? He's had success at two different places and if he stays at Washington they should have a pretty good team coming back next year. Feels like fans view him as the safe option but that's a pretty good safe option if he's willing to come.
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What's wrong with Jedd Fisch? He's had success at two different places and if he stays at Washington they should have a pretty good team coming back next year. Feels like fans view him as the safe option but that's a pretty good safe option if he's willing to come.
Fisch would not be a bad choice. he just isn't as good as Minter, DaBoer, or Dillingham imo.
And Fisch going to Michigan would hardly be coming home. Buddy is from New Jersey and is alma mater is Florida and he worked under Spurrier as an assistant there. His only connection to Michigan is he coached there for 1 year under Jeem. That's it.
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I was trying to get the tea from my daughter but she didn't know
Ohio U HC gets canned.
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Fisch would not be a bad choice. he just isn't as good as Minter, DaBoer, or Dillingham imo.
And Fisch going to Michigan would hardly be coming home. Buddy is from New Jersey and is alma mater is Florida and he worked under Spurrier as an assistant there. His only connection to Michigan is he coached there for 1 year under Jeem. That's it.
Thats where I am. Honestly 90% of these hires are crap shoots. That said, as far as candidates go, would his name be on any list if he hadnt spent 2 years, nearly a decade ago, as an assistant? Thats barely a connection. I think they meed a clean break from the Harbaugh stench at this point, from a PR standpoint. You can get Minter, thats worth it. For Jedd Fisch? Nah
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Ohio U HC gets canned.
That whole thing is still mysterious. The only thing concrete is he apparently had bourbon in his office, which....
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Thats where I am. Honestly 90% of these hires are crap shoots. That said, as far as candidates go, would his name be on any list if he hadnt spent 2 years, nearly a decade ago, as an assistant? Thats barely a connection. I think they meed a clean break from the Harbaugh stench at this point, from a PR standpoint. You can get Minter, thats worth it. For Jedd Fisch? Nah
So if it isn't Fisch and DeBoer and Dillingham stay put, who is it?
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That whole thing is still mysterious. The only thing concrete is he apparently had bourbon in his office, which....
Shit, who doesn't?
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So if it isn't Fisch and DeBoer and Dillingham stay put, who is it?
Biff Pogo Logo. Until he gets suspended, fired, or arrested.
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Biff is a solid upgrade
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Frank Wilson--LSU's interim HC, ace recruiter with the best relationships with HS coaches and thus the best ties to Louisiana talent, long-time ardent LSU supporter and staffer, and all around good guy--is going to Ole Miss. Presumably, Kiffin did not try to retain him, which I think is a mistake, but Kiffin gonna Kiffin.
By my count this makes 17 total people that LSU and Ole Miss are poised to swap, including most all of Lane's offensive staff at Ole Miss coming to BR, LSU's GM Austin Thomas and now current HC Wilson headed to Ole Miss, plus two LSU recruits flipped to Ole Miss and 3 Ole Miss recruits flipped to LSU.
There was a time I'd be upset about losing Frank, and the general silliness of all this. But now, this is me, here for all of it:
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Shit, who doesn't?
No joke. Best way to avoid it being a problem. Be the owner of the office.
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There's a rumor that Fisch failed his background check.
Hard to believe that the Wolverines would actually conduct one though, given their history.
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Wouldn't be the first time Phish...I mean Fisch, failed a drug test
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That whole thing is still mysterious. The only thing concrete is he apparently had bourbon in his office, which....
Sounds like there was some Bad drinking behavior and rather public carrying on of various affairs, possibly mid-divorce.
it has to be pretty extreme to pull this move, because the coaching space has a phenomenally high tolerance for both of those things. But maybe you can be fired for being too much of a mess.
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Unless the big money is concerned. And I would guess Ohio is #2, behind only Miami in terms of financial commitment, at MAC schools
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Sounds like there was some Bad drinking behavior and rather public carrying on of various affairs, possibly mid-divorce.
it has to be pretty extreme to pull this move, because the coaching space has a phenomenally high tolerance for both of those things. But maybe you can be fired for being too much of a mess.
After reading the letter from the president and the response from the coach's attorney, this is 1000 percent headed to court. Here is a zinger from the coach:
“Finally, the coaches were toasting with Bourbon provided by your husband to Coach Smith in his office.”
I dunno something about this feels very personal.
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After reading the letter from the president and the response from the coach's attorney, this is 1000 percent headed to court. Here is a zinger from the coach:
“Finally, the coaches were toasting with Bourbon provided by your husband to Coach Smith in his office.”
I dunno something about this feels very personal.
Like getting fired for not kissing the ring? Suppose it could be that.
the liquor in the desk part is clearly nonsense. Like that’s barely penny-ante high school coach nonsense
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https://twitter.com/CamRobertsonn/status/2001732485307150336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2001732485307150336%7Ctwgr%5Ef0a35adc1d2b908240ab45294a5c238412d58daf%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zigbeenuthouse.com%2Fthread-16316-page-3.html
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https://twitter.com/CamRobertsonn/status/2001732485307150336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2001732485307150336%7Ctwgr%5Ef0a35adc1d2b908240ab45294a5c238412d58daf%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zigbeenuthouse.com%2Fthread-16316-page-3.html
https://twitter.com/i/status/2001737592379719800
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I think we've found the next Wolverine HC.
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I think we've found the next Wolverine HC.
He needs to step up his game if he wants that. Throw a Mad Dog bottle through the president's car window maybe
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I think we've found the next Wolverine HC.
lmfao
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Sharin' Moore Cock and Lane would probably be BFF's had they ever been on the same coaching staff...
https://twitter.com/Underwood_szn/status/2001772963268333684?s=20
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His attorney needs to work on his writing.