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The Power Four => SEC => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on October 19, 2025, 02:40:59 PM
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Any applicants? Bye Billy.
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HC peak seasons in my lifetime:
8-5 Napier
11-2 Mullen
10-4 McElwain
11-2 Muschamp
13-1 Meyer (x3)
8-5 Zook
12-1 Spurrier (x2)
9-1-1 Hall (8-0 in partial season as well) (cheated)
9-2-1 Pell (cheated)
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Florida full-time HCs in my lifetime:
.556 Charley Pell
.686 Galen Hall
.817 Steve Spurrier
.622 Ron Zook
.813 Urban Meyer
.571 Will Muschamp
.647 Jim McElwain
.694 Dan Mullen
.489 Billy Napier.....the worst win% of them
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There's a real discrepancy here between all-time greats 80% or better vs others that are all below 70%.
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Seems to be some buzz about Lane Kiffin as the replacement.
If he's not interested, he needs to tamp that down, because he's in the middle of what could be a very good season.
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Florida probably wouldn't be interested because of the current stink of forced unemployment, but just thinking out loud, Franklin is available. Does Florida have advantages over Penn St. that would raise his ceiling there? He's a floor-safe kind of guy, by which I mean his floor would be high and UF would never deal with 6-6, 7-5 seasons and such. But could he break through the 10-2 ceiling and could he start beating the Georgia's and Alabama's? He certainly didn't at PSU, and that's what Florida will be looking for. Whether there is any reason to think he could succeed at UF where he didn't at PSU, I couldn't say.
There was some smoke about Kiffin and Florida last time around. If I were them, I'd probably test those waters again.
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I'd go with Eli Drinkwitz and call it a day.
I think he a solid pick, consistently over achieves, and doesn't come with the drama of Kiffin.
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One of the LSU talking heads mentioned over the weekend that with the NIL landscape, relentless and tireless recruiting is not as important as it once was, due to $ playing a large part in bringing in talent. That kind of makes sense to me. His larger point was to say that Dan Mullen's big shortcoming was that he didn't like recruiting and generally under-performed there, but that in today's game he might be a more viable coach for a program that expects big things, since it would hinge more on his game skills and less on his recruiting than it used to.
It was an intriguing idea. If that were true, I think LSU could do worse. He always had a good offense, developed QBs well, and game planned really well. Would have to have somebody at DC who could work well with no supervision, because I don't think defense was in Mullen's wheelhouse.
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So, Kiffin's family has been spotted in both Gainesville (FL) and Baton Rouge in the last week.
I feel like there's a greater than 50% chance that Jimmy Sexton arranged for said family members to do such a thing in order to squeeze maximum $ out of Ole Miss, and that he doesn't go anywhere.
Boy, it sure does get the blood flowing in the talking heads, tho. Sort of like non-sports media, I can't tell if they actually believe the stories they spin or if they're just out to get clicks.
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Kiffin strikes me as a "game player", someone who at times says/does stuff he knows will get a reaction. I agree he would orchestrate "gimmicks" that could play to his advantage. I don't know what he really wants, he won't win an NC at Ole Miss, I think, maybe that's what he wants, to be viewed as an elite HC.
I'm glad he's not at UGA.
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I don't "want" him, per se, but I also think he's probably the best coach we could get. Saban and Urbz are the two only "sure-fire" guys out there, and they ain't coming. Kirby and perhaps Day are the most sure-fire guys still in the biz, and they aren't leaving where they're at. I just don't think there is a guy who is going to turn LSU into what we got used to under Miles for a sustained period of time. A bad coach could stumble ass-backwards onto a generational player like Burrow, such as Orgeron did, but that's not exactly a recipe for long-term success. Kelly actually proved that even with a generational player you still might not put together a dream season. But LSU being in the playoffs most years and being in contention for the SEC and winning it periodically? That is a lofty goal that even good coaches out there are unlikely to reach. Kiffin is probably the most sure-fire of the available bunch, but I don't think he's going to suddenly have us challenging UGA for the conference and beating Bama regularly.
And that's just spitballing about if he even took the job. Florida is very much in play for him, and I think there's a more than decent chance he stays put. I hear he's a little sour on LSU because he wanted the job at the end of 2021 and Woodward wouldn't even give him an interview. Some people around the program consider it a plus that Woodward isn't the AD anymore because Kiffin did not appreciate getting snubbed by him.
Still, I think the chances of Kiffin going to LSU have to be put at 33% or less.
I think the prevailing wisdom used to be--as you said above--he won't win an NC at Ole Miss. But I'm not so sure what supports that in this day and age. Ole Miss has shown a willingness to get with the times and pay to get the talent. These Ole Miss teams have NC caliber talent, if they don't win one, some things either didn't break their way or he's doing a subpar job of coaching. Either way, both of those things would still be factors at LSU or Florida, thus, it's silly to say "He won't win a NC at Ole Miss, but he could at LSU or Florida."
Meh. It doesn't much matter. I thought with BK's record, history, and style, he'd have us competing with UGA. He did quickly repair a lot of damage from the utter shitshow Orgeron left us with, and he deserves credit for that, but his teams were never tough, the special teams were consistently awful, and at least one side of the ball was always majorly lacking. It's tough to predict who will fit here, or if LSU is even a viable candidate for Consistent Contender in this new era.
I think Kirby has been at UGA for about 10 years now. For a while, he didn't look like The Guy. Then he did, so it's good UGA didn't NC-or-bust him. His first half tenure at UGA is probably the best LSU can shoot for, and they'd be lucky to have that. The clip UGA wins at today, or Ohio State, I have serious doubts that there is a coach out there who can make that happen.
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Kiffin would do great at either LSU or Florida.
Doesn't he have have a daughter that goes to LSU and/or dates an LSU football player?
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I think Kirby has been at UGA for about 10 years now. For a while, he didn't look like The Guy. Then he did, so it's good UGA didn't NC-or-bust him. His first half tenure at UGA is probably the best LSU can shoot for, and they'd be lucky to have that. The clip UGA wins at today, or Ohio State, I have serious doubts that there is a coach out there who can make that happen.
He is in his tenth year.
In Year 2, his team won the Rose Bowl and narrowly lost the NC game, so it didn't take him long to look pretty solid. UGA has 11 wins or more each year since except COVID.
But I digress. The potential coaching hires are thin out there, I think. I'd look at an assistant somewhere, maybe Glenn Schumann.
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Kiffin would do great at either LSU or Florida.
Doesn't he have have a daughter that goes to LSU and/or dates an LSU football player?
I believe his daughter goes to Ole Miss. The LSU player she dates is as good as gone. He hasn't announced, but there's no way he's not entering the draft. He's a 1st round pick stuck in a floundering program, currently on his second major injury and probably realizing he doesn't want much more of that if he wants to live his NFL dreams.
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He is in his tenth year.
In Year 2, his team won the Rose Bowl and narrowly lost the NC game, so it didn't take him long to look pretty solid. UGA has 11 wins or more each year since except COVID.
But I digress. The potential coaching hires are thin out there, I think. I'd look at an assistant somewhere, maybe Glenn Schumann.
True. I will just note my own perception--take it for whatever the pixel ink on your screen is worth--is that UGA was good but not great for a while. They got by on a weak SEC East and weren't generally of the same caliber as Alabama. Even by 2018/2019, UGA had a ton of talent that I still see on Sundays, but the killer instinct and overall kick-ass vibe wasn't quite there. We got a good look up close at those teams. Then UGA flipped a switch somewhere and became lethal. They were/are Alabama's equal, and yes I realize I'm saying that despite a knack for losing to them. I consider it "one of those things," but clearly to me, UGA is where Bama is as a program, and perhaps closer to Saban's best Bama teams than current Bama is.
UGA under the first few years of Kirby did not make me write off a possible win in advance. UGA now absolutely would/does. I know that says as much about LSU now as UGA, but as I say, that's my perception.
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I think the prevailing wisdom used to be--as you said above--he won't win an NC at Ole Miss. But I'm not so sure what supports that in this day and age. Ole Miss has shown a willingness to get with the times and pay to get the talent. These Ole Miss teams have NC caliber talent, if they don't win one, some things either didn't break their way or he's doing a subpar job of coaching. Either way, both of those things would still be factors at LSU or Florida, thus, it's silly to say "He won't win a NC at Ole Miss, but he could at LSU or Florida."
Yeah, except for reality.
Suggesting Ole Miss can/could win a NC under Kiffin goes against all the available evidence, in 2 different ways.
1 - Ole Miss has not won even a share (when that was a thing) of a CONFERENCE championship in 62 years.
2 - Still, amazingly, the last time a program won its first NC was my Florida Gators in 1996 - 29 years ago. OM has never won an official NC (although they were robbed in 1960).
There is no support for Ole Miss being able to win a NC, especially in today's format, which makes any individual team's path to a NC the most difficult/unlikely in history.
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You're just telling us what has happened. I'm positing that cfb operates in a different landscape now, and I need evidence or at least a theory as to why that's wrong.
Ole Miss had all the talent they needed last year, and lost three games. That's on Kiffin. Will he magically not do that at Florida or LSU? Ole Miss is ahead of at least LSU in terms of getting their stuff together with NIL. Does Kiffin stand a better chance at a place that hasn't done as well overall in the portal?
I'm open to reasons as to why he'd do better here than Ole Miss, but telling me what has historically happened in a different landscape aren't it.
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The whole Brian Kelly thing has me wary, smug, and jumpy. I questioned prevailing wisdom that he'd do better at LSU because better players, resources, etc. I looked at the recruiting composites and found ND had recruited as well as LSU. When I brought that up, I got "Don't worry about it, you know LSU is a different animal than Notre Dame, who hasn't been relevant in forever," and "Recruiting composites are worthless and don't tell you about roster needs, blah blah." Welp, I was right, talent wasn't his problem. It wasn't at Notre Dame, and it wasn't for much of his time at LSU. He just lost games he shouldn't have at Notre Dame, and he lost more of them when he played a tougher SEC schedule. I mention this to say why I'm very cautious to think Kiffin will get over the hump here when he hasn't at Ole Miss. It seems to me none of Ole Miss' past limitations really apply today. He's gotten the recruits he wanted. Kiffin strikes me as a "safe" hire with a high floor, who has a lot of bright spots, and who's also going to lose a few games and not have a team that's tough or consistent enough to play with the UGAs of the world. They should've won the last two times they were in Baton Rouge, the fact that hapless Brian Kelly teams keep tagging them at home is a black mark on Kiffin's record and ability.
If we wind up with him, I hope I'm wrong. If Florida winds up with him or Ole Miss keeps him, I hope I'm right:D
All that said, I'll reiterate what I said earlier somewhere....he's probably the best that a team could get. It's unlikely he'd have Kirby/Day level success, but he's probably the best bet for the next tier down.
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Dude, I'll take a safe hire with a high floor. We have sucked for too long!
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The whole Brian Kelly thing has me wary, smug, and jumpy. I questioned prevailing wisdom that he'd do better at LSU because better players, resources, etc. I looked at the recruiting composites and found ND had recruited as well as LSU. When I brought that up, I got "Don't worry about it, you know LSU is a different animal than Notre Dame, who hasn't been relevant in forever," and "Recruiting composites are worthless and don't tell you about roster needs, blah blah." Welp, I was right, talent wasn't his problem. It wasn't at Notre Dame, and it wasn't for much of his time at LSU. He just lost games he shouldn't have at Notre Dame, and he lost more of them when he played a tougher SEC schedule. . . .
I thought that Brian Kelly was a terrible fit at LSU. That fake cajun-accent thing he tried his first day or two just reinforced my opinion.
However, I don't know if that that is the reason he failed.
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Dude, I'll take a safe hire with a high floor. We have sucked for too long!
No quibbles there.
Speaking of....supposedly LSU has offered him $90 mil (I don't know over what time frame) and something about a $25 mil NIL commitment, and then both Florida and Ole Miss have matched the offer. Don't know if any of that is true. LSU, it seems, has not learned from its giant commitment to Brian Kelly, which they currently are trying to get out of paying.
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I thought that Brian Kelly was a terrible fit at LSU. That fake cajun-accent thing he tried his first day or two just reinforced my opinion.
However, I don't know if that that is the reason he failed.
No, the fake Cajun accent is not why he failed :)
(I know what you meant)
From what I've heard, he sounded like a bad fit for anywhere. Multiple players have said when asked about how their daily routines are different without him there that it's really not, because they hardly ever talked to him or saw him. One player said he's barely ever met Kelly. Former players have said how weird they found his extreme distance, and that although the S&C coach and position coaches got way more face time with them, it's unusual for HC's to be as removed as these players say Kelly was. It sounds like he just wanted to plan and for assistants to carry out his plans and for players to execute them, but he wasn't really interested in being a mentor or personal, or anything of that nature.
To me, that would explain why there never seemed to be a firm culture or identity in the team. Great coaches make a lot of use from the cult of personality phenomenon. Players can't buy into a team identity you wish to set if they don't know you.
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No quibbles there.
Speaking of....supposedly LSU has offered him $90 mil (I don't know over what time frame) and something about a $25 mil NIL commitment, and then both Florida and Ole Miss have matched the offer. Don't know if any of that is true. LSU, it seems, has not learned from its giant commitment to Brian Kelly, which they currently are trying to get out of paying.
Part of me wants the price to just be driven up to absurd numbers, and then Florida doesn't get him. Kiffin is better than Drinkovitz, but he's not like twice as good or 3x as good, right?
There is a financial point where it stops making sense.
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Part of me wants the price to just be driven up to absurd numbers, and then Florida doesn't get him. Kiffin is better than Drinkovitz, but he's not like twice as good or 3x as good, right?
There is a financial point where it stops making sense.
Congratulations, you've just been hired to be LSU's AD, because everyone else failed to come up with this response.
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Lane may be staying, using the folderall to bump up his pay, duh.
I'd look for an assistant somewhere and give that a shot.
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drink's like 0-15 against sec teams that finish with a winning conference record or something along those lines. i think he's good enough for mizzou to want to keep him (& i do hope we do) but bad enough to be fired in 3yrs at a power. he does a good job putting a roster together overall but our offense is bad. buyer beware b/c i don't think he's good enough to stick at a big boy place.
brian kelly has always struck me as an enormous pr**k. none of this is particularly surprising.
so what should fla do...assuming lane does end up at lsu as the internet claims...idk what about the washington guy? he looks like a pretty good coach to me. dillingham looks excellent but it appears he's staying at asu.
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There's noise that Florida has been communicating with Lincoln Riley.
And you may downplay Drinkowitz, but you could do the same with Kiffin, which is why I bring up the financial ceiling that SHOULD exist here.
Kiffin hasn't won a damn thing, really. His average record in-conference is 5-3. He's a name and he has fun offenses, but he has lived under the line programs like Florida and LSU expect to be above.
Now how does that mesh with $100 million???
For all he's done at Ole Miss, wouldn't it feel weird to be so revered for not actually having DONE anything?? That's the discrepancy between where he's at and where he'll be. You could argue that with his "great" Ole Miss results, he'd be let go at both Florida and LSU.
Mullen went .763 at Florida his first 3 years before one bad season/weird behavior got him tossed. Kiffin is at .740 at Ole Miss.
Kelly's .708 was enough to get him let go.
And one of them is going to pay him as the top HC in the country?!?!
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There's noise that Florida has been communicating with Lincoln Riley.
He wanted no part of the SEC four years ago.
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I think to win an NC, you have to just make the playoff in most years. One year a team will break through.
It’s unlikely to make it once or twice and win it over say 20 years. Get in the dance and throw the dice.
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Kiffin hasn't won a damn thing, really. His average record in-conference is 5-3. He's a name and he has fun offenses, but he has lived under the line programs like Florida and LSU expect to be above.
Arguably, the best part about Kiffin and the mythos that surrounds him is his time as OC for other really good head coaches. He's been part of some great teams, but you're right, all he's actually shown is that he's a great coordinator.
One thing to note about Kelly. His dismissal had as much to do with the aesthetics as the record. We could've lost to Texas A&M--maybe even gotten blown out in the second half again--but if the offense weren't so inept, he'd probably still be here. And in fact, his firing resulted from an argument he got in the next day with then-AD Woodward, not exactly the A&M loss itself. Woodward told him to move on from the OC, Kelly told him F-you, I'm the coach and I don't think the offense or the coordinator is the most important thing that needs addressing, and Woodward didn't like that. All that to say, it's possible to be as lackluster as we are, and not be fired. But overall, yeah, 7-4 headed into the final weekend is not where LSU expects to be, especially with the NIL that went into this roster. I think with a willingness to placate some powers, Kelly could still be here, but it's definitely correct to say that another year or two of this and he'd have been gone one way or the other.
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I personally wouldn't hire Kiffin, ever, for anything, even OC.
Get a DC somewhere, pay him $3.78 million x 5 years, save money, he might be really good.
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Some fans want Kelvin Sheppard, a former LSU linebacker who is a pretty new DC for the Detroit Lions. Insiders say they know for sure he would take the HC job if offered, but I don't think LSU would ever seriously entertain a move like that.
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I'd look at how many expensive HC hires have worked out over the past 20 years vs how many inexpensive hires of DCs/OCs have worked out for a third the price.
Look at the former assistants now doing well as HCs, Smart, Lanning, many others, vs all the HCs poached away now getting paid not to coach.
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I'd look at how many expensive HC hires have worked out over the past 20 years vs how many inexpensive hires of DCs/OCs have worked out for a third the price.
I generally agree, BUT this is akin to the "more All-Americans were 3* and 4* compared to blue chip guys."
Yeah.......but there are way more of those guys. The list of huge-contract HCs is far smaller than the alternative.
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I'd look at percentages, not raw numbers. How many coordinators have worked out vs how many poached HCs, as a percentage, knowing the $$$$ amont would be different by a lot.
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FWIW, many sites are reporting that Alex Golesh of USF is going to be the next HFC at Arkansas.
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I think I got the details wrong about that ill-fated conversation conversation between Scott Woodward and Brian Kelly. I think the correct version is Woodward told Kelly to move on from OL coach Brad Davis, pronto, and Kelly wouldn't do it, saying instead the most pressing need was to get rid of OC Sloan asap.
The dumb part is they were both right, both Davis and Sloan needed to be fired. Instead of recognizing that and having a civil conversation, they yelled a lot, Woodward fired Kelly, and then the next day the board fired Woodward, apparently at the governor's behest.
Sounds like two hotheads that are out on their asses, as they deserved, except that somehow the board still looks like petty, sycophantic, a-holes. Welcome to Louisiana, where everybody gets it wrong.
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All the coverage on Kiffin is stupid and embarrassing. Making declarative, click-bait statements and headlines, when all we have to do is wait for Kiffin himself to say what he's going to do.
Why isn't our society better than this?
Just wait. Stop guessing. Stop pretending you have any better sources than anyone else.
Can we all just grow up? FFS
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So we got a guy with the same, exact resume as Napier, but for half the cost of Kiffin.
Also, the PHI Eagles personnel guy is our GM now.
Just win, please.
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Kiffin--ptui!
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all this image repair he’s been doing has been smoke & mirrors. the stories coming out now are wild if even a fraction of them are true. i hesitate to definitively predict it won’t work bc he did well at om in spite of his degenerate qualities but there’s real scrutiny at lsu that he didn’t have at om & they aren’t going to pander to him.
i think if i’m a fla fan rn i’m perfectly fine with how this played out.
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Have there been this many HC openings in the SEC before ever, pro rated?
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This sheds light on another aspect of this sport that needs fixing. Coaches are going to move around, whether they should or not, and whether we like it or not.
Ole Miss now enters the post-season without its head coach and a significant number of its other staff who are leaving for Baton Rouge. LSU was willing to let Kiffin coach through the post-season, as he clearly wanted to do, but Ole Miss was not. I'm not much for a heavy hand, but maybe some firmer rules about these things would avoid this unenviable position where these kids are left high and dry as the reward for their historic season.
fwiw, Tulane's AD David Harris has announced that Sumrall will coach their CCG, and the playoffs, should they be selected, citing that it's the right thing to do for their student-athletes. Presumably, Florida doesn't have the same qualms as Ole Miss.
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it’s an emotional shortsighted reaction but it’s also om’s prerogative that i don’t begrudge them.
perhaps they don’t trust the dude - if that’s the case i get it.
i’m sure their answer to the issue would be he could have coached them in the po by staying.
these opportunities esp for them come along so infrequently that when this golding operation crashes & they sober up they may have a diff pov.
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This sheds light on another aspect of this sport that needs fixing. Coaches are going to move around, whether they should or not, and whether we like it or not.
Ole Miss now enters the post-season without its head coach and a significant number of its other staff who are leaving for Baton Rouge. LSU was willing to let Kiffin coach through the post-season, as he clearly wanted to do, but Ole Miss was not. I'm not much for a heavy hand, but maybe some firmer rules about these things would avoid this unenviable position where these kids are left high and dry as the reward for their historic season.
fwiw, Tulane's AD David Harris has announced that Sumrall will coach their CCG, and the playoffs, should they be selected, citing that it's the right thing to do for their student-athletes. Presumably, Florida doesn't have the same qualms as Ole Miss.
I don't get the Florida-Ole Miss comparison. Florida is gaining a coach and Ole Miss has lost one. Florida is being generous in not insisting that Sumrall report to Gainesville immediately, and Tulane is being generous in allowing Sumrall to coach out the season.
Also, IMO, the situations at Ole Miss and Tulane are not really comparable either. Tulane is losing a coach who is taking a major step up the coaching ladder, while Ole Miss is losing a coach who at the very least has misled the administration, who is making a move within the conference. It's hard for me to blame Ole Miss.
Re firmer rules, it seems like it would be possible to have a "no contact" rule that applies until the season and postseason games are finished. That would probably mean adjusting the portal gates and "signing day" dates.
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i was about to post something similar. the situations are very different.
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This sheds light on another aspect of this sport that needs fixing. Coaches are going to move around, whether they should or not, and whether we like it or not.
Ole Miss now enters the post-season without its head coach and a significant number of its other staff who are leaving for Baton Rouge. LSU was willing to let Kiffin coach through the post-season, as he clearly wanted to do, but Ole Miss was not. I'm not much for a heavy hand, but maybe some firmer rules about these things would avoid this unenviable position where these kids are left high and dry as the reward for their historic season.
fwiw, Tulane's AD David Harris has announced that Sumrall will coach their CCG, and the playoffs, should they be selected, citing that it's the right thing to do for their student-athletes. Presumably, Florida doesn't have the same qualms as Ole Miss.
It would be absolutely crazy for Ole Miss to let him continue coaching there, knowing he's leaving for a rival and direct competitor in every possible way. The opportunities for tampering from inside are just far too enormous.
There's no doubt he's going to attempt to take some players along with him, both current players and commits. But to allow him weeks and months to do it from the inside, would be a malfeasance of their duties toward the university's athletic program.
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I don't get the Florida-Ole Miss comparison. Florida is gaining a coach and Ole Miss has lost one. Florida is being generous in not insisting that Sumrall report to Gainesville immediately, and Tulane is being generous in allowing Sumrall to coach out the season.
Also, IMO, the situations at Ole Miss and Tulane are not really comparable either. Tulane is losing a coach who is taking a major step up the coaching ladder, while Ole Miss is losing a coach who at the very least has misled the administration, who is making a move within the conference. It's hard for me to blame Ole Miss.
Re firmer rules, it seems like it would be possible to have a "no contact" rule that applies until the season and postseason games are finished. That would probably mean adjusting the portal gates and "signing day" dates.
It wasn't a comparison, it was a contrast. I'm saying one school is okay with a coach finishing out his season with his current team, and the other is not. Your point about Florida gaining a coach and Ole Miss losing one is fair, but I'm strictly talking about the reality of situation. Florida is not demanding Sumrall leave Tulane immediately, which they'd be within their right minds to do. Presumably, Ole Miss thinks if a coach is going elsewhere, he needs to leave immediately. That's the contrast.
Your last paragraph is kind of where I'm looking when thinking about all this. The new December signing date and the portal fiasco have conflicted with the coaching carousel before. Just never quite like this, since Ole Miss is (or was) playoff-bound. But it seems like they have been a problem for the inevitable coaching carousel annually.
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It would be absolutely crazy for Ole Miss to let him continue coaching there, knowing he's leaving for a rival and direct competitor in every possible way. The opportunities for tampering from inside are just far too enormous.
There's no doubt he's going to attempt to take some players along with him, both current players and commits. But to allow him weeks and months to do it from the inside, would be a malfeasance of their duties toward the university's athletic program.
That's fair and likely accurate, which is why it seems like there should be either more rules in place, or the timing of these related events need adjusting. As I noted to CWS above, it seems like the reality of the portal and the early signing period has been a problem every year when it comes to coaching changes. Seems like the dates for things could be moved around. Chief among them, the early signing period has never had a point. February was just fine, and it allowed time for the coaching changes to settle down.
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These have a pinned thread, but this week's video fits here nicely.
SEC Shorts - Lane tries to burn it all down (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdT7Ad9FsW4)
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That's fair and likely accurate, which is why it seems like there should be either more rules in place, or the timing of these related events need adjusting. As I noted to CWS above, it seems like the reality of the portal and the early signing period has been a problem every year when it comes to coaching changes. Seems like the dates for things could be moved around. Chief among them, the early signing period has never had a point. February was just fine, and it allowed time for the coaching changes to settle down.
I don't know. I guess maybe it might minimize the effect, somewhat?
But the reality is, he's going to attempt to take "his" players and "his" recruits with him, no matter what. So allowing him to stay at Ole Miss is the absolute definition of the fox guarding the henhouse. It would be crazy to allow it under ANY circumstances.
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I wonder what most OM players think about Kiffin (before all of this). Do they like him? Respect him? Play hard for him? Some probably are glad to see him go, thinking they will get more PT under the FNG.
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I wonder what most OM players think about Kiffin (before all of this). Do they like him? Respect him? Play hard for him? Some probably are glad to see him go, thinking they will get more PT under the FNG.
It's being spun by Ole Miss folks that the players are glad to see him go, and excited for Golding to take over.
That's a load of horseshit cope.
Yes the players liked him, yes they played hard for him. He IS one of them -- and that's where the messiness comes in. He's immature -- like a spoiled college kid.
Ole Miss knows the best they're going to do just headed south to Cajun Country, for the prettier girl.. If they say otherwise, they're FOS.
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An OM players who felt slighted for PT is probably happier, LK may take his competition with him. In my own experience, players mostly neither really liked nor disliked the HC (with one exception, in HS). But HS is way different.
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It's being spun by Ole Miss folks that the players are glad to see him go, and excited for Golding to take over.
That's a load of horseshit cope.
Yes the players liked him, yes they played hard for him. He IS one of them -- and that's where the messiness comes in. He's immature -- like a spoiled college kid.
Ole Miss knows the best they're going to do just headed south to Cajun Country, for the prettier girl.. If they say otherwise, they're FOS.
Supposedly the players requested that he coach them through the playoffs, but I don't know if that's true or not.
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An OM players who felt slighted for PT is probably happier, LK may take his competition with him. In my own experience, players mostly neither really liked nor disliked the HC (with one exception, in HS). But HS is way different.
Seems like that's how LSU players have described Brian Kelly. Probably because they were around him so little. One player interviewed went so far as to say he's barely ever met Brian Kelly, which he thought was strange. Apparently he was not much a part of day-to-day activities.
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A big part of this is that the playoff setup makes it unlikely for any specific team to win the NC, even the 1-seed.
If this was back in the day and OM was simply facing a bowl game for a potential NC, OM would keep him to try to win it. The reward would be worth the risk, easily.
But a 4-game gauntlet where no team is anywhere likely to survive, no, it's not prudent to allow your outgoing HC to stick around and mettle with players and personnel.