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The Power Four => SEC => Topic started by: utee94 on October 07, 2025, 11:19:17 AM
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Having a hard time getting excited about TX-OU this year. The Longhorns just look so... inept, so futile... on offense. And the defense seems broken too.
Even a thumbless Mateer has enough juice to put away this sad-sack Longhorn team.
If Mateer doesn't play, I guess it's a tossup. Sort of. Maybe.
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https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1975572818369958155?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1975572818369958155%7Ctwgr%5Ea0feadf8587a3c0719d5dbb969dc530b1c049e37%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FPeteThamel%2Fstatus%2F1975572818369958155
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It's weird one for sure. I've seen some crazy things in this series.
The Horns could win by 30, or lose by 30. Just totally unpredictable --- so it should be entertaining, for the non invested folks, like me. For you, take a handful of Aspirin, and Pepcid before kickoff.
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Watching the game is probably going to be a lot like this:
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Watching the game is probably going to be a lot like this:
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I'd imagine so. The season thus far cannot be pleasant for you.
There is time to turn it around however, but uhhh.....now would be a good F'ing time to do it.
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I'd imagine so. The season thus far cannot be pleasant for you.
There is time to turn it around however, but uhhh.....now would be a good F'ing time to do it.
I mean, it's not new. Texas football has sucked pretty badly for 12 of the 15 seasons since 2010. I just thought we might get a little more time of not sucking, before going back to sucking. Yet here we are.
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Why Texas is the choice in Red River
Oct 6, 2025 Updated 14 hrs ago 0
Berry Tramel
Tulsa World Sports Columnist
Most everyone involved in OU-Texas has their Dallas traditions.
Early-morning turkey leg. Dinner on Friday night at a favorite restaurant and/or with your favorite people. Secret parking spaces and traffic workarounds.
Here’s my tradition: I pick a winner based on who won the year before. The Red River history shows a series of streaks. The Sooners and Longhorns have spent a century dominating for long stretches.
Texas won eight straight from 1940-47, OU nine of 10 from 1948-57, Texas 12 of 13 from 1958-70, OU five straight from 1971-75, Texas five of seven from 1977-83, OU four straight from 1985-88, Texas 8½ of 11 (counting a tie) from 1989-99), OU five straight from 2000-04, Texas four of five from 2005-09, OU 10 of 13 from 2010-22.
My dime-store analysis of such results is that Red River is a no-excuses rivalry. Neutral field, so teams aren’t expected to win or lose based on homefield (dis)advantage. Winners are flooded with more confidence than in more-traditional rivalries. Losers are saddled with more doubt than in other series.
But two developments are prevalent. Player turnover is so much greater, even on stable rosters like OU’s and Texas’, past results don’t carry nearly as much weight. And we’re starting to see a bunch of one-game winning streaks end in Dallas.
From 2012-16, winners were OU, Texas, OU, Texas, OU. Fast forward to 2021. It’s been OU, Texas, OU, Texas and 2025. A Sooner victory would give us a second ABABA rotation in a decade, after never having happened before in the ancient rivalry.
So I don’t know. Let’s get to the predictions:
Oklahoma versus Texas in Dallas: Longhorns 17-16. I’ll stick with my traditional one last year. It comes down to this for me. If John Mateer plays, I like the Sooners. If Michael Hawkins quarterbacks OU, I’ll take the Longhorns. Hawkins just didn’t look good at all against Kent State. And I’m guessing Mateer doesn’t play. . . .
https://tulsaworld.com/sports/college/ou/article_51a5c9eb-69e9-421a-b833-e06e2dc6e115.html#tracking-source=mp-sports
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I think that the defenses will dominate. One big offensive play, or a defensive score, or a big special-teams play will likely decide the game. BOOMER!
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I mean, it's not new. Texas football has sucked pretty badly for 12 of the 15 seasons since 2010. I just thought we might get a little more time of not sucking, before going back to sucking. Yet here we are.
Feeling ya, bro:
(https://i.imgur.com/wYVJN7J.png)
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College football is still an emotional game. Probably not as emotional as it once was, but certainly more emotional than the NFL.
So I think the one thing Texas has going for it, is that they're going to have to live all week with that terrible taste in their mouth from last Saturday's loss. And the Sooners, are not.
I don't think it's going to determine the outcome of the game, but maybe they'll play with a little more passion and energy than they have since the Ohio State game.
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I think of this game very simply.
Texas has played a very tough slate, with games AT Ohio State and AT Florida. Yes, they're lost both, and showed ineptness on offense and defense at times.
OU did play Michigan at Norman, so give them credit for that. The rest of the schedule is pure cupcake. OK, maybe not Auburn, but it's been suggested that Auburn kind of sucks this year and nobody has proven that to be false. So we really don't know much about OU at all, while we know a lot about Texas.
I'm leaning Texas simply because I think they're tougher at this point, and have the potential to improve. I halfway thought Venables would be fired this year, and I don't think he's proved much yet.
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This is sort of amusing.
OU fans have nothing but opinions about when Mateer returns. Really, nobody knows anything. Brent Venables says he "doesn't expect" Mateer to play in Dallas.
Meanwhile, Steve Sarkisian says that he's "preparing" to face Mateer.
We'll find out Saturday.
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Regardless of whether or not it happens, it's a smart move to leave it up in the air and make Texas split time preparing for both.
I sure wish we'd make OU prepare for our backup QB, whatever his name is.
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You don't want holes in your OL vs Venables. That may make everything else moot.
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Regardless of whether or not it happens, it's a smart move to leave it up in the air and make Texas split time preparing for both.
Yes, indeed it is.
I sure wish we'd make OU prepare for our backup QB, whatever his name is.
No-o-o-o! The horror!
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No-o-o-o! The horror!
Maybe we'll luck out and Arch will get "hurt" early in the game. We'll have to send in the backup, whoever that might be. Not sure even the Texas coaches know who that is.
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I guess the equivalent of that would be, here, Texas deciding to deploy a reshuffled OL that against all reason plays perfectly.
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I guess the equivalent of that would be, here, Texas deciding to deploy a reshuffled OL that against all reason plays perfectly.
One can always hope!
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Josh Pate's RRS Prediction
[youtube]1IZ0HM6S_WM[/youtube]
He thinks Texas will win because the Horns must win, whereas OU would like to win.
I can see that.
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Josh Pate's RRS Prediction
[youtube]1IZ0HM6S_WM[/youtube]
He thinks Texas will win because the Horns must win, whereas OU would like to win.
I can see that.
As I recall he picked Florida over Texas, and it seemed like it was basically for similar reasons.
This game is often a wild one, so who knows?
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I'd like a Horns win for the sole purpose of alleviating the despondence of Mrs. DeT.
I've seen her in a funk about the Horns before. I've never seen her so discouraged about the simultaneous struggles of UT coupled with her perception that OU and A&M are good. She can deal with the former. She can barely take the former and the latter together.
I try to tell her that I'm not super-sold on OU or A&M just yet, but so far--combined with the Dallas Cowboys defense--it's just crushing her.
Happy wife, happy life. Horns FTW! :)
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i’m expecting an ugly banger. tx is circling the wagons. may not win, but they’ll have something for the sooners. i find the language used re: mateer to be interesting - he is going to “attempt” to play.
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Maybe we'll luck out and Arch will get "hurt" early in the game. We'll have to send in the backup, whoever that might be. Not sure even the Texas coaches know who that is.
That backup came in during a high-pressure situation for 1 play and completed an 18 yard pass (or so).
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That backup came in during a high-pressure situation for 1 play and completed an 18 yard pass (or so).
Yeah. The backup is always better than the starter around here.
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PFF comparison for those who like silly stats
(https://i.imgur.com/CslRE4K.png)
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Here's a scene-setter from Toby Rowland, OU's PBP announcer.
https://twitter.com/ou_football/status/1977011306981953784?s=61
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Congratulations to the Horns for an extremely well-played game.
I liked the 1st half until the Sooners botched the scoring opportunity at the 1st half. But the Horns came out for the 2nd half with their hair on fire. That was total domination over the last 30 minutes.
Good luck the rest of the way.
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Thanks CW
Nobody could be more surprised then me
Could the sooners QB not be operating at full speed?
It looked like that may be the case.
The announcers pointed out that an unrated team beat a rated team in the RRS and this last happened in 1920 or just 105 years ago
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As is almost always the case, this game comes down to physicality.
Both teams were timid for most of the first half.
At the VERY end of the first half, both teams started fighting, started getting chippy, even starting getting some unsportsmanlike penalties.
I was delighted to see it. Because the main thing that has been missing for Texas all season long, has been passion. Intensity. Will.
Once Texas finally got THAT going at the end of the first and into the second, the game was over.
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as DKR said "only angry people win football games"
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as DKR said "only angry people win football games"
Yup. They finally showed some intensity today. If they'd played the same way last week they'd be 5-1 and working their way back toward the top 10.
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It was nice of A&M to keep us in the game so long. That was the longest, most boring drivel I've seen in a long time.
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Gotta say I have a ton of respect for Mateer. That dude is tough as nails. He was clearly hurt from the beginning, and then got further injured throughout the game. Got zero help from his oline and RBs, but just kept on trying to make plays to win the game.
He probably shouldn't have been put in that position by his coaches, but that's a different topic.
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I agree about Mateer. I'd draft him pretty high I think. He's a gamer.
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I agree about Mateer. I'd draft him pretty high I think. He's a gamer.
He is a gamer.
But he's got bad mechanics in his throwing motion.
That hasn't hurt him too much when he was healthy, but even going into yesterday's game, he had thrown for 6 TDs and 3 INTs.
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This made the wife so happy that not even Dallas' walk-off loss yesterday could bring her down.
I had found my lucky LSU shirt (after having failed to locate it after surgery for the Ole Miss game....so that one was on me) and lamented that its mojo/juice appeared to have been used on the wrong game. Sure enough, it was bone dry for the week by the time the LSU/SCar game came around. Need to remember to only put that on right before the game.
Anyway, back to Texas... There's only so much woulda/coulda/shoulda I'm willing to do re: Florida, because despite all the Gators problems, one thing that's true of them is their defensive line as a whole is legit, they're going to play in the NFL, and whoever faces them has probably faced one of the best DL's they'll see the entire season, if not the best. When their DL ruins your play and your day, it's not an accident. That said, last week's game between UF and UT had a similar feel to last year's game between UF and LSU. It's just statistically unlikely UF is going to lose every hard game they have, and some team is going to cool Napier's seat inadvertently. Last year it was LSU, this year it was Texas. Given the way Texas' offense/Arch struggled up to that point, that side of the ball was what it was. But it was shocking to see the listlessness and lifelessness of the Texas defense, and had they played the way they've played in their other games, I doubt the Gators tag them.
The Longhorn defense returned this past weekend, OU was the unfortunate recipient to greet them, and they weren't ready for it. The Texas D crashed OU's party, drank all the beer, threw up on their furniture, and left with their girlfriend.
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This is what obviously decided the game. I knew Texas held the ball a lot in the third, but had no idea it ended up looking like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/4g3Ps2p.png)
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This is what obviously decided the game. I knew Texas held the ball a lot in the third, but had no idea it ended up looking like this:
[img width=500 height=357.997]https://i.imgur.com/4g3Ps2p.png[/img]
I think we had a play from scrimmage at the end of the 3rd quarter, making it a grand total of 4 plays from scrimmage. After checking, yes, we did run one play before the end of the quarter. It was a 21-yard pass completion to Burks. That was either the longest or second-longest gain we made all day.
4 plays from scrimmage for a total of 26 yards in 15 minutes of play. That's losing football no matter who the teams are.
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Having a hard time getting excited about TX-OU this year. The Longhorns just look so... inept, so futile... on offense. And the defense seems broken too.
Outside of a lackluster performance against Florida, the Texas defense has been superb. Every raw stat and advanced stat I can find corroborates this, even with Florida factored in.
Nationally:
#3 in points allowed per game
#9 in yards per play allowed
#5 in rush ypp allowed
#16 in passing ypa allowed
#2 in Stop Rate (drives that end in punts, turnover, or turnover on downs)
#1 in S&P+ (Bill Connelly's opponent-adjusted, per-play metric)
#4 in FEI (opponent-adjusted, per-drive metric)
That is a killer defense, any way you look at it.
The Florida game appears to have been an aberration. No need to worry about a broken defense, I suspect.
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Outside of a lackluster performance against Florida, the Texas defense has been superb. Every raw stat and advanced stat I can find corroborates this, even with Florida factored in.
Nationally:
#3 in points allowed per game
#9 in yards per play allowed
#5 in rush ypp allowed
#16 in passing ypa allowed
#2 in Stop Rate (drives that end in punts, turnover, or turnover on downs)
#1 in S&P+ (Bill Connelly's opponent-adjusted, per-play metric)
#4 in FEI (opponent-adjusted, per-drive metric)
That is a killer defense, any way you look at it.
The Florida game appears to have been an aberration. No need to worry about a broken defense, I suspect.
They were absolutely broken in the Florida game, though. Worst game I've seen them play in over a decade probably, and that decade included some terrible Tom Herman and Charlie Strong teams.
So I stand by my statement at the time. I'm obviously happy they played 100000% better in the Cotton Bowl.