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Title: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: CWSooner on September 24, 2025, 03:39:44 PM
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Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 24, 2025, 10:25:48 PM
I'm not sure why he's still there.  They've got a baby-deer Vince Young looking guy at QB, but he's not developing, as far as I can tell.

One good year got him all the goodwill, I guess.  Or Arky has accepted it's even lower rung in the conference.
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Gigem on September 25, 2025, 03:51:36 PM
Honestly, if you're a school like Arkansas, how do you break out of this cycle?  


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I mean, Bobby Petrino is still on staff there.  I guess if you can hire him to be OC, you can make him HC again.  What a strange cycle.  

Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 26, 2025, 09:20:34 AM
Arkansas is a program with some inherent limits, much like UK or USCe, a relatively smallish state with a program capable of being pretty good every few years, mostly because they snagged a very good QB (see Vandy).  I don't foresee any of them able to become consistently elite.  They each think if they hire the right coach (Spurrier) they would up their game.

Unfortunately, the "right coaches" are very few and far between, and few would be interested in joining up.

Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: CWSooner on September 27, 2025, 03:14:43 PM
Notre Dame is waxing Arkansas 56-13 in the 4th quarter Fayetteville.
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: just1hog on September 28, 2025, 08:35:10 AM
Love all the attention when the Hogs suck, I don't remember any posts when they didn't, like beating #9 Tenn last year :57:

Coach Pittman's contract expires the end of 2027 with a buy out of 9.3 million right now. 5.7 million by the end of the season if the Hogs continue to lose games and I don't see many wins coming up on the schedule. 
:smiley_confused1:

This year's Hogs team is playing poorly on both sides of the ball. The defense is out of position on every play and can't tackle. The offense is disjointed, for lack of better word. Individually, each starter is a excellent player, but together meh. 

This is all on the coaches, from poor ball security to awful pass coverage, fire all of them except the special teams coach. :96:



Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 28, 2025, 08:42:02 AM
It is frustrating to watch a team with some talent playing together so poorly.
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: just1hog on September 28, 2025, 06:09:06 PM
Well, there ya go. Pittman is out, Petrino is named the interm. Hopefully Hunter has someone lined up....
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: CWSooner on September 28, 2025, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: just1hog on September 28, 2025, 06:09:06 PM
Well, there ya go. Pittman is out, Petrino is named the interm. Hopefully Hunter has someone lined up....
Good luck with the coaching search.

I assume that there won't be much improvement, if any, under the acting HFC. Keeping the good players in the fold is probably Job One.
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Gigem on September 29, 2025, 11:54:38 AM
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Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: nwms on September 29, 2025, 12:29:15 PM
this was the inevitable end the moment pittman was hoodwinked &/or strong armed into hiring bp. i would imagine he's been back channeling for weeks after lying in wait since the day he was hired. sam is a fine position coach.
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 30, 2025, 10:19:47 AM
Can/will his replacement do much better?  He'll get 3-4 years of course, I doubt it's Petrino but maybe.  It seems to me like a 7-5 kind of program, with the 9 game conference slate maybe even that is optimistic.
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Gigem on September 30, 2025, 10:46:09 AM
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 30, 2025, 10:19:47 AM
Can/will his replacement do much better?  He'll get 3-4 years of course, I doubt it's Petrino but maybe.  It seems to me like a 7-5 kind of program, with the 9 game conference slate maybe even that is optimistic.
No doubt everybody in the SEC is looking at 7-5 to 8-4 seasons except a couple of programs at the top, which has been Alabama and Georgia for a good while now.  Texas is creeping up there, looking to supplant Bama.  

This is, IMO, the subjective pecking order of the SEC (over the last 20 or so years):
Alabama-10-12 wins a season 90% of the time.  
Georgia-10-12 wins a season 89% of the time.
LSU-9-11 wins a season 90% of the time
Those 3 teams, IMO, are unquestionably at the top of the SEC.  

That leaves you with a mix of the middle
Florida-8-10 wins 80% of the time, but any given year they can win the SEC and the MNC
Auburn-8-10 wins a year 77% of the time, but any given year they can win the SEC and play for the MNC
Texas-8-10 wins a year 70% of the time and 20% of the time they can win the SEC and play for the MNC
OU-Same as Texas
Tennessee- 7-10 wins 80% of the time, in will compete for SEC title once every 20 years. 
This next tier is where most programs in the SEC reside.  
Texas A&M 7-9 wins a year 80% of the time, can only compete for the SEC championship once every 20 years. 
Mizzou-6-8 wins a year 75% of the time, will compete for the SEC championship once every 25 years (chances were greater with East Division)
Arkansas-about the same as Mizzou
South Carolina-see Ark and Mizzou
Ole Miss...I'd put the spread on them a little differently.  5-9 wins per year 80% of the time.  They're just as likely to win 9 games a year as they are to win 5.  I don't think they've really ever been in contention for the SEC title for decades, but sometimes they're really good.  

Last Tier
Vanderbilt-3-5 wins most years, never in contention for SEC title.
Kentucky...4-7 wins a year most year, never in contention for SEC title.
Mississippi St...-6-7 wins a year most years, never in contention

Obviously I didn't go back and get the exact percentages or anything special, I'm just thinking about them in terms of what I see.  

Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Gigem on September 30, 2025, 11:08:39 AM
It's a little bit strange now that there is no more East/West divisions so the opponents are always changing except the 3 semi-permanent rivals.  And I'll throw A&M into this same group, since we've done such a poor job of it.  But essentially where the middle programs like Arkansas and A&M is that we should be getting most of our victories against these other middle teams.  

If you're Arkansas, you should be very competitive vs. Missouri, OM, USC, TAMU, Vandy, Kentucky, and Miss St.  At almost any given year.  Same thing for A&M.  We should be winning ~80% of our games vs Miss St and OM....but instead we've barely got a winning record vs Miss St and I'm not even sure we've got a wining record vs OM in conference play.  

It's kind of funny how the pecking order in the middle doesn't really move that much.  Every year, there will be a new team that will be at the top and a new team at the bottom of the middle, and next year it changes again.  
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Cincydawg on September 30, 2025, 11:37:18 AM
I think Tennessee and Florida have reasonable prospects down the road for 11-1 kinds of seasons, so does Texas obviously.  I don't know how often of course, but at least once a decade, probably frequenter.  But as we all know, everyone has the 9 games against opponents 7 of which have a decent chance of beating you, plus another OOC game with the same kind of chance.

Maybe you have two pastries in conference and two OOC, so you start with four wins, and then compete for eight games.  Going 6-2 likely means your team is quite good at 10-2.  
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Gigem on September 30, 2025, 12:22:03 PM
Right. But the point I’m trying to make, is you have to be competitive with all the teams in your peer group first. 

You can’t just expect to come in with a new staff and beat Alabama and Georgia year in and year out. 

I used to think a lot about our record vs Alabama since we are (were) in the same division. I think it’s 2-11. I know for sure it’s 2 wins, one was a lucky fluke and the other was with an all time great player. And then I heard the other day that Georgia is like 1-10 vs Bama in their last 11 games or something. And Georgia is elite by anybody’s standard during that time. 

During our time in the SEC I think we’ve only lost 1-2 games vs Arkansas. I think it’s actually only one loss in 14 games. We can’t say the same about Miss State. We should be wining about 80% of our games vs them in any given year. We’d be lucky to split the games vs Auburn or LSU. 
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: CWSooner on September 30, 2025, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: Gigem on September 30, 2025, 10:46:09 AM
. . . This is, IMO, the subjective pecking order of the SEC (over the last 20 or so years):
Alabama-10-12 wins a season 90% of the time. 
Georgia-10-12 wins a season 89% of the time.
LSU-9-11 wins a season 90% of the time
Those 3 teams, IMO, are unquestionably at the top of the SEC. 

That leaves you with a mix of the middle
Florida-8-10 wins 80% of the time, but any given year they can win the SEC and the MNC
Auburn-8-10 wins a year 77% of the time, but any given year they can win the SEC and play for the MNC
Texas-8-10 wins a year 70% of the time and 20% of the time they can win the SEC and play for the MNC
OU-Same as Texas

I have a soft spot in my heart for Auburn. I spent 15 months in junior high school in Gadsden, Alabama. And all I heard was "Bama this and Bama that," and "Roll Tide," and "Bear Bryant gives orders to God." In that environment, rooting for a team not named Alabama or Auburn was not allowed. So, contrarian that I sometimes am, I rooted for Auburn.

Notwithstanding that, I don't think Auburn sits above OU and Texas in the pecking order. Not if you're going back 20 years.

And, to get more picky, if the time frame is 20 years, OU might sit a bit higher than Texas. (Horns could see it differently, of course.) From 2005 through 2024, OU had a 12-9 record vs. Texas (w/ a W in the 2018 CCG). OU won 11 Big 12 championships. Texas won 2. Texas won the 2005 NC. OU lost the 2008 BCSCG. Texas has been to 2 CFPs, with a 2-2 record, losing in the NCG last year. OU has been to 2 CFPs, with an 0-2 record.

Quote
Tennessee- 7-10 wins 80% of the time, in will compete for SEC title once every 20 years.
This next tier is where most programs in the SEC reside. 
Texas A&M 7-9 wins a year 80% of the time, can only compete for the SEC championship once every 20 years.
Mizzou-6-8 wins a year 75% of the time, will compete for the SEC championship once every 25 years (chances were greater with East Division)
Arkansas-about the same as Mizzou
South Carolina-see Ark and Mizzou
Ole Miss...I'd put the spread on them a little differently.  5-9 wins per year 80% of the time.  They're just as likely to win 9 games a year as they are to win 5.  I don't think they've really ever been in contention for the SEC title for decades, but sometimes they're really good. 

Last Tier
Vanderbilt-3-5 wins most years, never in contention for SEC title.
Kentucky...4-7 wins a year most year, never in contention for SEC title.
Mississippi St...-6-7 wins a year most years, never in contention

Obviously I didn't go back and get the exact percentages or anything special, I'm just thinking about them in terms of what I see. 

Without researching W/L records, I see Missouri as a notch above Arkansas.
Title: Re: Is Sam Pittman About to be Out at Arkansas?
Post by: Gigem on September 30, 2025, 11:07:20 PM
Not trying to be a total dick, but I only rated Auburn higher because they did it vs an SEC schedule and ou did not. But I think Auburn is very much up and down and ou for the most part much more steady. So I would not disagree that OU might be a notch above, but either way you’re splitting hairs.