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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: medinabuckeye1 on September 23, 2025, 12:22:51 PM
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It is difficult to get a read on the Huskies right now because to refer to their slate thus far as weak is a tremendous understatement. Washington has looked good but, realistically, who wouldn't look good against CoSt, UCDavis, and WSU?
That said, Vegas only has the Buckeyes as a 9.5 point favorite which is a small spread for #1 against an unranked team so it appears that Vegas believes in the Huskies more than the AP voters.
I said in the top-25 at a glance thread that I saw this as an everything to lose, nothing to gain situation for the Buckeyes. I believe that is true because I think that even if the Buckeyes were to just massacre the Huskies most people's reaction wouldn't be "Wow, those Buckeyes sure are good" but rather "Wow, Washington sucks".
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Washington State redshirt freshman offensive lineman Sone Falealo was reportedly shot by a University of Washington student at a postgame party in Pullman early Sunday morning following last Saturday’s Apple Cup rivalry game, according to The Spokesman-Review. The shooting occurred just hours after the visiting Huskies routed the host Cougars, 59-24, inside Martin Stadium.
“Washington State University can confirm that one of our student-athletes was the victim of a shooting that occurred at an off-campus gathering,” WSU spokeswoman Pam Scott said in a statement to The Spokesman-Review. “The student is currently recovering and his family is with him in Pullman.”
Pullman Police identified 20-year-old Washington student Jakori Buchanan as the suspect in the shooting, and secured an arrest warrant Monday afternoon, charging him with first- and fourth-degree assault, according to the Spokesman-Review.
Buchanan’s attorney told the Spokesman-Review that the shooting was in “self-defense” and that Buchanan’s cousin was “severely injured” in the fight that resulted in the shooting. Buchanan’s attorney, Ronnie Rae, told the paper that she’s coordinating her client’s return to Pullman “to turn himself in now that his cousin is receiving the urgent medical care he requires.”
“Jakori intervened and saved his cousin’s life,” Rae’s statement said, per the Spokesman-Review.
Falealo, a 6-foot-6 and 310-pound redshirt freshman who transferred in from Idaho, has yet to play a snap for the Cougars. But that didn’t stop him from working as party security alongside Washington State teammates Jaylin Caldwell and Xavier Thorpe, both fellow offensive linemen, at the Aspen Heights Aparments in Pullman, per court documents reviewed by the paper.
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It is difficult to get a read on the Huskies right now because to refer to their slate thus far as weak is a tremendous understatement. Washington has looked good but, realistically, who wouldn't look good against CoSt, UCDavis, and WSU?
That said, Vegas only has the Buckeyes as a 9.5 point favorite which is a small spread for #1 against an unranked team so it appears that Vegas believes in the Huskies more than the AP voters.
I said in the top-25 at a glance thread that I saw this as an everything to lose, nothing to gain situation for the Buckeyes. I believe that is true because I think that even if the Buckeyes were to just massacre the Huskies most people's reaction wouldn't be "Wow, those Buckeyes sure are good" but rather "Wow, Washington sucks".
I think there is a recognition of the environment in that stadium. Some say it is the most loud and intimidating place to play. And of course- first true road test for a rookie QB. This will be a game.
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Ohio State 35, Washington 26
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Washington State redshirt freshman offensive lineman Sone Falealo was reportedly shot by a University of Washington student at a postgame party in Pullman early Sunday morning following last Saturday’s Apple Cup rivalry game, according to The Spokesman-Review. The shooting occurred just hours after the visiting Huskies routed the host Cougars, 59-24, inside Martin Stadium.
Even hardcore,over-the-top,old school SEC fans are like
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I think there is a recognition of the environment in that stadium. Some say it is the most loud and intimidating place to play. And of course- first true road test for a rookie QB. This will be a game.
yeah this. fans tend to underestimate how tough it is going on the road. especially going halfway across the country and 3 times zones away. especially for a rs fresh QB making his first road start ever and only his 4th start overall.
Ohio State should win and pull away at the end- they are just a lot more talented and deeper top to bottom. but it'll be a real ball game imo.
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yeah this. fans tend to underestimate how tough it is going on the road. especially going halfway across the country and 3 times zones away. especially for a rs fresh QB making his first road start ever and only his 4th start overall.
Ohio State should win and pull away at the end- they are just a lot more talented and deeper top to bottom. but it'll be a real ball game imo.
Plus the QB for Washington is a beast!
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Plus the QB for Washington is a beast!
that he is. plus a lot of weird shit just happens for the home team typically.
going on the road is only easy when the other team sucks. Washington doesn't suck. maybe not the best team in the B1G, but they are a decent team with a young stud QB.
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and much better in the trenches than Nebraska
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and much better in the trenches than Nebraska
do we know that for sure though? Washington has looked good, but they also haven't really played anybody worth a damn that could test them in the trenches.
Ohio State has some dudes in the trenches. we'll see how Washington handles that.
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Clash of the unbeatens, between travel and distance that can be problematic along with a hostile venue where they have a 22 game win streak at home. This being Sayin's first road test sure is a tall order mileage wise. The Buckeyes also must contend with dual-threat quarterback Demond Williams Jr., who passed for 298 yards, rushed for 88 and accounted for five touchdowns last week. Huskies are undefeated and not expected to win so they should be loose and ready. Read that their defense isn't very good and it's not healthy either.So keep Sayin and everyone else healthy and get out of their with a 4th qtr win.Earlier is preferable
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do we know that for sure though? Washington has looked good, but they also haven't really played anybody worth a damn that could test them in the trenches.
Ohio State has some dudes in the trenches. we'll see how Washington handles that.
Cincy abused the Huskers in the trenches
case closed
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and much better in the trenches than Nebraska
do we know that for sure though? Washington has looked good, but they also haven't really played anybody worth a damn that could test them in the trenches.
It is a rarity but I agree with @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) . I'm not saying that Washington's lines suck, just that we don't know because Colorado State, UC-Davis, and WSU didn't have the personnel to test UDub's lines so we really have no idea how good or bad they are.
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OSU 34
UDubb 20
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I didn't get to watch as most of the day spent thatching out accorns and raking leaves and other items in the job jar. But caught most of it on the radio while raking it appeared that Matt Patricia was trying to force the Huskies QB Williams to beat his defense from the pocket by reigning in his running. It worked as Williams rushed 13 times for -28 yards as the Buckeyes held Washington to 61 yards on 30 carries. The Buckeyes sacked him six times(as many points allowed), three by defensive end Caden Curry, who apears to be coming into his own. And DT. KMac sounded like he had a good game also,not sure on the depth of this unit though.But a stout job over all as the DC transition from Knowles to Matty P. is going rather well. Specially considering the exodus of talent from last season's squad to the NFL and graduation
On the offensive side Julian Sayin completed 22 of 28 passes for 208 yards and two touchdowns.Mostly short and precise tosses,not sure about his downfield game. He passed his first road test without a turnover in a very loud stadium. Showing poise with more experience & entered the week as the most accurate quarterback in the country, and showed his success through the air can translate to the road also. He was able to lead the O on a couple of long, plodding scoring drives - that was encouraging. There is discussion on the boards that the Bucks have problems in short yardage situations,specially on the right side,seems there were a few missed assignments there. The RBs seem decent but it's a tall order replacing Henderson/Judkins playing now on Sundays. Over all I'll take it,baby steps,good team but young and unseasoned
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Sayin really impressed me. looks like a young QB just getting better every week.
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Yeah- Washington was dropping 7 or 8 on D pretty much the entire game, with the intent being to not give up any long passes.
Sayin took what was there. Kid knows when to throw the ball away and when to just take a sack. Plus, he throws a beautiful ball. Very accurate and leads the receiver. Nobody watched him against Grambling for good reason, but the kid throws a beautiful deep ball as well
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Yeah- Washington was dropping 7 or 8 on D pretty much the entire game, with the intent being to not give up any long passes.
Sayin took what was there. Kid knows when to throw the ball away and when to just take a sack. Plus, he throws a beautiful ball. Very accurate and leads the receiver. Nobody watched him against Grambling for good reason, but the kid throws a beautiful deep ball as well
I'm very impressed with him. only weakness I see from him is lack of size, athleticism, and overall horsepower in his arm. first two are bigger issues than the last imo- as arm strength is far less important than accuracy/ball placement/timing- which he seems to have all of that in spades. i'd much rather my QB have all that than a howitzer with none of that. first two might be problems- he's pretty small and he gives you nothing in the QB run game and cannot escape pressure and extend plays and make something out of nothing- he's a pure drop back passer with like 43 speed on Madden. if his protection isn't there/he gets moved off his spot- it's a dead play.
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I'm very impressed with him. only weakness I see from him is lack of size, athleticism, and overall horsepower in his arm. first two are bigger issues than the last imo- as arm strength is far less important than accuracy/ball placement/timing- which he seems to have all of that in spades. i'd much rather my QB have all that than a howitzer with none of that. first two might be problems- he's pretty small and he gives you nothing in the QB run game and cannot escape pressure and extend plays and make something out of nothing- he's a pure drop back passer with like 43 speed on Madden. if his protection isn't there/he gets moved off his spot- it's a dead play.
Generally agree with one big exception. He can rip the ball on a rope and hit deep throws.
he also has a quick release and a pocket presence that allows him to move around the pocket an avoid sacks. Uncanny for his experience level.
He isn’t going to much of a run threat.
They say in HS he ran quite a bit- and seeked out contact lol. He can’t do that now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVygp1RQo50
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Generally agree with one big exception. He can rip the ball on a rope and hit deep throws.
he also has a quick release and a pocket presence that allows him to move around the pocket an avoid sacks. Uncanny for his experience level.
He isn’t going to much of a run threat.
They say in HS he ran quite a bit- and seeked out contact lol. He can’t do that now.
Agreed. He's a very wise decision maker. The part of the game plan that was a very wise adjustment for the buckeyes was attacking the shorter part of the field against the Washington defense. Going deep wasn't going to work, so they picked apart the D with short throws and route running. It wasn't from lack of ability by Sayin, just Washington playing to not get beat deep. The adjustment eventually tore apart the defense.
Now that being said, I'm curious how Sayin would do if he has to come back and beat teams deep, under pressure or a certain amount of time. It helps to have a Smith and Tate out there, but that's the only part of his game i see as untested. First half looked like 2024 OSU against UM offense with Sayin 2 for 4 for 63 yards. Odd game plan in the first half and massive adjustment in the second half.
I don't think we get a clear picture of 2025 Sayin ceiling until he faces the Nittany Lions. It's certainly high enough to ride a crazy good defense until then
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PFF is looking more and more like clickbait and not the Almanac/Encyclopedia it attempts to portray itself up as.I'm not an anti-analytics guy, but I am becoming convinced that these people arent actually watching the games and rely solely on obscure metrics to dictate their grades/approval. But these findings are tough to defend
For instance - Brandon Inniss fumbled and lost the ball but scored a 74.2 with 0 yds. Meanwhile, Julian Sayin completed over 75 % of his passes,completing 22 of 28 passes for 208 yards and two touchdowns. His efforts earned him a Pro Football Focus grade of 59.9?Really - make it make sense.I asked AI for the boxscore and PFF clearly highlighted boxscore.They gave the score,the spread,the betting odds & the scoring plays but no boxscore(CBS produced one immediatelyby comparison).
Here are some of the collective concerns
- Front Office Sports reports that PFF has lost significant talent, which could impact its ability to stay competitive.
- subjectivity and potential bias of its grading system, a lack of contextual understanding of schemes and assignments, questions about the expertise of some graders, and the perceived inaccuracy or lack of nuance in their ratings compared to coaches' evaluations.
- Qualitative vs. Quantitative Data: Unlike purely statistical analyses, PFF's 0-100 grades are based on qualitative, opinion-driven evaluations of each play, which can be prone to bias and subjective interpretation.
- Mismatch with Reality: Players sometimes find PFF grades to be at odds with their coaches' evaluations or what they believe actually happened on the field, leading to frustration and skepticism.
- Misleading Metrics: The focus on detailed, micro-metrics can sometimes devalue a player's overall performance, such as focusing on pressures for a defensive lineman rather than the more impactful sack.
Maybe it's me but that doesn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement - PFF are some slappies in a decked out basement rec-room pouring themselves cold ones & hoping those less insightful than themselves swallow this bilge whole while they make bank :D
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my eyeballs are better
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Blood shot but not blind like those rocks of journalism.Those frat boys need to finish the week end keg and maybe report back wednesday
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I do have corrective lenses w/ bifocals
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If you didn't you could go to work as a PFF analyst
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I don't need 2 jobs
job took me to the golf course in Omaha today, free golf, free beer, free food, ............. I can't afford to retire
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