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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on September 11, 2025, 06:32:41 PM
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I get that nobody wants to go against the NFL, but you'll never convince me that the third or fourth best ACC game going against one NFL game, and nothing else, won't do better numbers than sticking it on the ACC Network at 3:30 on Saturday as like the 6th best game in its timeslot
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Battle of undefeated teams.
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Battle of undefeated teams.
Just like MSU-YSU on Saturday!
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May determine a playoff berth.
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May determine a playoff berth.
I like MSU's chances in the FCS playoff. They have an Elite 8 run in them
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Agreed... How is there just one game?
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MAC action???
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nah, just mACCtion.
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I, for one, will be watching the NFL tonight.
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I, for one, will be watching the NFL tonight.
Also a battle of undefeated teams.
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Whoops, deacons dominating
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I, for one, will be watching the NFL tonight.
You are banned.
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20-0 run for the big, bad Wolf!
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I watched five minutes of the Deacs' game and switch over to watching a tank show on youtube.
One of my desires is to visit the tank museum in Bovington, and the on in Columbus, GA.
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AP top-25 at a glance:
- 2-0 Ohio State -30.5 vs OhioU
- 2-0 Penn State vs FCS
- 2-0 Louisiana State -7.5 vs Florida
- 2-0 Oregon -27.5 at Northwestern
- 2-0 Miami, FL -17.5 vs #18 S. Florida
- 2-0 Georgia -3.5 at #15 Tennessee
- 1-1 Texas -40.5 vs UTEP
- 0-1 Notre Dame -6.5 vs #16 aTm
- 2-0 Illinois -27.5 vs WMU
- 2-0 Florida State
- 2-0 South Carolina -3.5 vs Vandy
- 1-1 Clemson -2.5 at GaTech
- 2-0 Oklahoma -23.5 at Temple
- 3-0 Iowa State -21.5 at ArkSt
- 2-0 Tennessee +3.5 vs #6 Georgia
- 2-0 aTm +6.5 at #8 Notre Dame
- 2-0 Ole Miss -6.5 vs Ark
- 2-0 South Florida +17.5 at #5 Miami
- 1-1 Alabama -20.5 vs Wisconsin
- 2-0 Utah -23.5 at Wyoming
- 2-0 Texas Tech -23.5 vs OrSU
- 2-0 Indiana -46.5 vs INST
- 1-1 Michigan -28.5 vs CMU
- 2-0 Auburn -24.5 vs S. Bama
- 2-0 Mizzou -27.5 vs Louisiana
#10 Florida State is off this week as they prepare for a big showdown with (checks notes) Kent State, LoL. The rest of the top-25 are in action but from the look of the spreads, it appears that most of them are basically scrimmaging.
There are three ranked vs ranked games and each is interesting:
#5 Miami, FL -17.5 vs South Florida:
South Florida already has wins over Boise and the Gators so a win here would put them at 3-0 in three-straight games against (then) ranked teams. This might be tougher for the Hurricanes than it seems.
#6 Georgia -3.5 at #15 Tennessee:
With Florida apparently in a spiral this could be crucial for winning the SEC-E (checks notes) Nevermind, there isn't an SEC-E anymore. Oh well, in any case this could wind up determining either a CFP bid or an SECCG bid or both.
#8 Notre Dame -6.5 vs #16 aTm:
At present there are only two ranked teams on Notre Dame's 12-game schedule. One is Miami and Notre Dame already lost that game in South Florida and the other is this game. That makes this game pretty important for the Irish' CFP hopes. A Notre Dame that goes 0-2 against ranked teams and 10-0 against unranked teams might not get in. Furthermore, a loss here would almost certainly eliminate Notre Dame's room for error as a 9-3 team against this schedule is almost certainly out. For the Aggies I think this is more about room for error. After this they have five more games against currently ranked teams (vs #24 Auburn on 9/27, at #3 LSU on 10/25, at #25 Mizzou on 11/8, vs #11 USCe on 11/15, and at #7 TX on 11/28). They obviously can't make the playoffs at 6-6 so they are going to have to win some of those.
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The line on the UGA-Tenn game closed from 6.5 to 3.5, which is close to "pick'em". UGA didn't look good last week on offense.
New QB ib hostile environs etc.
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I watched five minutes of the Deacs' game and switch over to watching a tank show on youtube.
One of my desires is to visit the tank museum in Bovington, and the on in Columbus, GA.
Bovington is great. Went there three-ish years ago. Fantastic collection. Would enjoy going for Tankfest, where they drive a lot of the old guys, but that wasn't in the cards.
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There's a place outside of San Antonio where they have real tanks that you can drive and shoot the main guns, as well as other heavy weaponry. A pretty wealthy friend of mine took his very wealthy father there for his birthday a few years back, one of those, "what do you buy the man who has everything? Time in a tank blowing up stuff" kind of deals.
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Was watching Antiques Road Show quite a few yrs back and some guy had brought in a cannon/howitzer from I think the Civil War.Forget the story how it came into his possession.Rafael Eledge (real cool southern gent)critiqued it, he's their Civil War and 19th-century militaria memorabilia expert.
He did his History spiel and at the end of the show some other expert - they obviously took it off set cleaned the bore loaded and shot it.There were like 4 of them you could almost feel the concussion thru the TV.I don't often use the term really awesome but it was. One of the 4 blurted out "ya can't do that with a Tiffany Lamp"
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There's a place outside of San Antonio where they have real tanks that you can drive and shoot the main guns, as well as other heavy weaponry. A pretty wealthy friend of mine took his very wealthy father there for his birthday a few years back, one of those, "what do you buy the man who has everything? Time in a tank blowing up stuff" kind of deals.
So CFB51 tailgate location?
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Tickets for tonight's UCLA game are $2 right now. They should just give them away and write off the loss. What a joke of a program.
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Tickets for tonight's UCLA game are $2 right now. They should just give them away and write off the loss. What a joke of a program.
Dang. I'd almost consider going.
Unfortunately, it's 2 PM on a Friday. If I leave Mission Viejo right now, Google Maps says I'll arrive at the Rose Bowl mid-afternoon on Tuesday.
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Dang. I'd almost consider going.
Unfortunately, it's 2 PM on a Friday. If I leave Mission Viejo right now, Google Maps says I'll arrive at the Rose Bowl mid-afternoon on Tuesday.
Google is overly optimistic.
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Indiana scored 73 points and gave up 77 yards.
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https://bsky.app/profile/chrisvannini.com/post/3lyopmiubkt2t
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Indiana scored 73 points and gave up 77 yards.
POTFH
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Wow. UCLA sucks. Not just a little. They are BAD.
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Wow. UCLA sucks. Not just a little. They are BAD.
yep
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Arizona did a good job of showing how to give up a 17-3 lead, but won in the end. KSU's pass-blocking is...not pass blocking. Pass.
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Indiana scored 73 points and gave up 77 yards.
Indiana has yet to be an option in the elimination game or in the pick'em game.
No FCS allowed.
fIU.
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Wow. UCLA sucks. Not just a little. They are BAD.
The NW game next week is their last chance at a win.
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Is there a win here for UCLA?
Doubt it.
(https://i.imgur.com/Zy1J5Bw.png)
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The NW game next week is their last chance at a win.
You up early, or haven't gone to bed yet?
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You up early, or haven't gone to bed yet?
I slept for a long while after getting home from work. Woke up at midnight and am up. Will probably go to bed early after the Florida debacle game.
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It's hard to sleep when you're over-tired. Probably should try to hit it while the sun is still down.
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I'm up, and ready for some more football. Annoying that OSU isn't at noon. But we even have some boxing tonight - we'll see if I can stay up for it.
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Couldn't name a boxer today the sport has went sideways with MMA seemingly taking it's place.In the'70s/'80s it was still solid I followed it as it was competitive
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Wow. UCLA sucks. Not just a little. They are BAD.
While they are not good, there’s a chance New Mexico is a decent team.
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Stayed up late going to the theater to watch a old movie last night, now trying to get in multiple errands and a gym trip before going home to clean up and get to the bar for the game.
Usually would try to sleep in longer, but the body isn’t having it.
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woke up in Lincoln at a crap hotel - no coffee in the room
tuff to find a hotel on game weekend for $75/night
it's a shithole
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Is there a win here for UCLA?
Doubt it.
[img width=361.238 height=357]https://i.imgur.com/Zy1J5Bw.png[/img]
Never sleep on post September Maryland
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and UCLA played better late last season
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While they are not good, there’s a chance New Mexico is a decent team.
;)
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While they are not good, there’s a chance New Mexico is a decent team.
I mean you shouldn't lose by 25 points at home to a "decent" MWC team
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I'm up, and ready for some more football. Annoying that OSU isn't at noon. But we even have some boxing tonight - we'll see if I can stay up for it.
Some fans bark about it I love it - tradition, NOON=😎. Not only that but on CFB saturdays good chance if I'm not out raking leaves I'll be on my 3rd or 4th pitcher of suds by 7 PM. I love self serve,no muss,fuss or waiting,slight chance of being over served tho.
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woke up in Lincoln at a crap hotel - no coffee in the room
Any heifers sleeping next to you? J/K,that right there should get them black listed on Yelp, Google and Tripadvisor!!!
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Tickets for tonight's UCLA game are $2 right now. They should just give them away and write off the loss. What a joke of a program.
Once they were amongst the cream of the crop.Now if they have any serious fans they're admiring Indiana,Maryland or even The State College of New Jersey
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Its gonna be a hot one here in Louisiana today. Had some fantastic cocktails and food yesterday here in NOLA. Head out to Baton Rouge shortly for a Saturday night in Death Valley.
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Went to gym, the store, the lake, and now ready to vegetate for 12 hours. Making nachos later. Health food.
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Got a 5 mile run in this morning. Gotta do some chores early, but will be ready for the Horns at 3:15. Not gonna host at the house this week, might go to the local wing/sports bar. It's more expensive but they've got a lot of TVs.
Headed over to the inlaws to watch the Ags/Domers tonight. It's sometimes tough to root for A&M, but not when they're playing ND. :72:
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https://twitter.com/joshpatecfb/status/1966825629179146581?s=61
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https://twitter.com/BigSkyConf/status/1966701604696191217
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Is there a win here for UCLA?
Doubt it.
(https://i.imgur.com/Zy1J5Bw.png)
You have to throw out the records when they lock horns with USC.
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Actually up a little early today. Normally not home till close to 1am on Friday nights/Saturday Morning, but had quick game last night. One of the teams ran a single wing and had a few long drives that ate us almost half of the game. I am an umpire, so on a time out late in the game I was standing over the ball as the teams were lining up. A DT told the LT that they play a weird offense. LT said that they all hate it. I mentioned that is was real popular in the 30s and 40s. He laughed and said there was a reason they stopped using it so long ago.
Anytime I see a time running the single wing, I love it because I know it is going to be a short game.
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Do casino's typically carry Peacock?
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and UCLA played better late last season
Last season was front loaded in level of difficulty. This season is not.
it’s sad, but the UCLA admin decided to deemphasize CFB in the early aughts. So they went from a consistently good team with flashes of brilliance to a consistently mediocre team with flashes of pure misery.
i hope the same isn’t happening to my Badgers…
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Greetings from a foggy downtown San Francisco.
Had a great time at the Giants game last night (Giants won with a walkoff grand slam in the bottom of the 10th). We are taking our time getting going this morning, but we'll be in Berkeley by mid afternoon for the Gopher game tonight.
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Also, having not been on the West Coast for a college football Saturday in many years, football starting at 9 AM is a trip.
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Got some chicken breast poached and ready to shred, along with some shredded carrots and finely diced celery.
The matzah ball soup is gonna be good!
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Healthy and tasty might request that formula
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Indiana has yet to be an option in the elimination game or in the pick'em game.
No FCS allowed.
fIU.
3 FCS games? 3?! THREE?!?!
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3 FCS games? 3?! THREE?!?!
No, just 1. Old Dominion and Kennesaw State are FBS, granted I think its Year 2 for Kennesaw
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UCLA reportedly exploring a move to the FCS Big Sky.
(source: I made it up)
From the comments:
-Getting smoked by New Mexico at the Rose Bowl,SMDH.UCLA is now 0-3 against the Mountain West on the Year. Coach Foster might not make it to the next game
-Pay up—that Calimony $ is due!
-Weber State would run them over
-The Montana schools waiting to devour UCLA
-Bruins wouldn’t love the trips to Bozeman.
-Montana State beat New Mexico 12 months ago
-UCLA is ass. Every BIG coach checking that game off as a W now.
-Why did we let these guys into the B10?
-USC brought UCLA to the B1G with them, because someone has to come in last
-Big ten should have took Oregon State. If they did Oregon state would be ranked right now
-Helped blow up the pac 12 for this
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No, just 1. Old Dominion and Kennesaw State are FBS, granted I think its Year 2 for Kennesaw
Huh. I just took Badge's word for it. Checked the elimination game threads and they were an option weeks 1 and 2.
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Already a couple questionable calls/non-calls, but more than that, plenty of evidence that this game is going to go exactly as I thought it would.
Teams in Wisconsin’s position need the breaks to go their way—getting an offensive pass interference call on a play that every team runs 10x per game was a bad sign. And Bama’s TD drive showed they will be able to do what they want when they want. Will be a long three hours.
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D-line will make running tough, but tide won’t need to run if they can pass like they just did.
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GT is up 10-0 vs Clemson and has the ball back.
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Yeah—this game is going just like I thought. Sorry BRAD, I wasn’t sand-bagging. Frankly, if Alabama doesn’t get to 38, I’ll be stunned.
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D-line will make running tough, but tide won’t need to run if they can pass like they just did.
Badgers aren't sucking just That Bama QB can't miss hitting 12 in a row.That last TD grab was practically impossible to defend.Ball put where only the WR could come down with it and remarkablely did :o
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GT is up 10-0 13-0 vs Clemson and has the ball back.
FIFY
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D-line will make running tough, but tide won’t need to run if they can pass like they just did.
No need to run. Tressel can't figure out how to deal with the pass. And frankly, he should have to pay his own way back to Youngstown.
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GT messed up, 13-7 and Clemson gets the ball after half.
Oh well.
Florida plays 4 of the top 7 in the current top 25. Cool.
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Lsu fans cheering hard here on that KOR
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Well, the kick off return was nice, but will Wisconsin score again?
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Nice GT interception and return
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https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1966887017213825160?s=46&t=EHozF964Pc_xZmTZKPCcEA
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Yeah—this game is going just like I thought. Sorry BRAD, I wasn’t sand-bagging. Frankly, if Alabama doesn’t get to 38, I’ll be stunned.
Yeah, they blew the lid right off this one.
I knew Wisconsin's offense was bad... But I didn't know it was THIS bad...
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Glorified scrimmage at this point. Hope they at least make some use of that.
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Nice tackle by the umpire there!
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No need to run. Tressel can't figure out how to deal with the pass. And frankly, he should have to pay his own way back to Youngstown.
Aren't you the one that was hanging your hat on the defense?
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Golden Flashes up 14-10 on Buffalo,ya baby
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Nice tackle by the umpire there!
I tried to take out a player. He won
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17DgHxYJJe/ (https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17DgHxYJJe/)
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Aren't you the one that was hanging your hat on the defense?
Run defense is stellar. Pass D is horrible.
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Nebraska just gave up a defensive TD to a player whose name starts with an X.
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I'm beginning to lose faith in CMU's ability to execute the upset.
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At least we have theater tickets this afternoon so I don't have to subject myself to the same experience Wisconsin fans are going through...
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There is not a Big Ten game going right now closer than 31 points.
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At least we have theater tickets this afternoon so I don't have to subject myself to the same experience Wisconsin fans are going through...
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3ohfFMhKuOdVABIIla/giphy.gif)
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And then off to NAPA later
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Wolverines up 62-3 on Central Michigan midway through the 4th.
You would think Michigan would go a little easier on CMU given how well CMU served as a vassal state for UM:
(https://i.imgur.com/2JK6JAF.png)
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They need an app that tracks sports bars with Peacock.
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At least we have theater tickets this afternoon so I don't have to subject myself to the same experience Wisconsin fans are going through...
NFL game, the theater.......who even ARE you?!?
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At least we have theater tickets this afternoon so I don't have to subject myself to the same experience Wisconsin fans are going through...
We knew what was coming.
Makeshift OL. Backup QB. Green tailbacks. DL that can't get a pass rush. DB's that can't hang with 5* players.
Anyone who thought Wisconsin could win needs to be admitted.
We were hoping they could hang around. They couldn't. The only thing different from last year was they didn't quit.
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Sweet finish for GaTech.
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Good for Dabo,Lord keeping him humble
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Entertaining finish in Atlanta with Georgia Tech hitting a FG to win 24-21 over Clemson as the clock ticks to 0:00.
A FG attempt that was set up with quite a risky approach. On 3rd&4, GT runs up the middle, short of the 1st down to about the 38, with no TOs and the clock ticking past 0:15. All before switching units en masse to set up a rushed FG.
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1966946666478743929
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I think Brent Key is legit
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Good for Dabo,Lord keeping him humble
GT vs. Dabo is the college football version of the Scopes trial
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Sweet finish for GaTech.
That was a great game.
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NFL game, the theater.......who even ARE you?!?
A Purdue fan.
You wouldn't want to watch it either.
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GT vs. Dabo is the college football version of the Scopes trial
Woo science!
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I'm rooting for Purdue.
That should help 'em out.
Assuming they start sometime today.
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Nico could be starting against UGA right now in Knoxville, but who needs that stress?
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Nico deserves UCLA, and UCLA deserves Nico.
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A Purdue fan.
You wouldn't want to watch it either.
Don't underestimate the difficulty of reaching the top 3 times in 12 years and then basically going oh-fer for the next 15 years. Not fun, either.
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Dueling Wildcats in the Big 12.
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Nico deserves UCLA, and UCLA deserves Nico.
Next time my few LA friends mention how "congested" and "overcrowded" LA County is I will counter with a picture of this from last night:
(https://i.imgur.com/IjqDP5W.png)
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People go there to read in peace.
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Twelviing at Neyland
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7-up in checkerboard vegas
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Wow, that was the worst "play" by a defensive back maybe ever.......badly PI and fall down like 2 seconds before the ball gets there.
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Twelving in Knoxville
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Rodney Bullard first TD probably wasn't even on the board anywhere. I was prepping food, and I heard TD, asked who it was, and my kid said Rodney Bullard. I assumed he misheard, because I've never heard that name in my life. Apparently a Valdosta State transfer who is like the #5 WR
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Making salsa with canned tomatoes... Drain them out no?
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I would.
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I would.
I did, which was good because it was still pretty thin.
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I know it's not an actual ingredient, but that little can of tomato paste can sort of get things like homemade salsa or bbq sauce closer towards your expectation of it.
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WV is beating Pitt, in the battle of teams that have lost to the Ohio Bobcats.
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WV is beating Pitt, in the battle of teams that have lost to the Ohio Bobcats.
I am glad that they signed that game through 2037 or whenever. It's on a lesser scale than say, the big 3 in FL, but when WV-PSU-Pitt all play each other, it's a good thing.
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I know it's not an actual ingredient, but that little can of tomato paste can sort of get things like homemade salsa or bbq sauce closer towards your expectation of it.
Tomato paste is awesome, though I didn't pick any up. I have a recipe to make it that I will probably attempt at some point.
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What the hell kind of color is Kirk Herbstreit?
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Entertaining finish in Atlanta with Georgia Tech hitting a FG to win 24-21 over Clemson as the clock ticks to 0:00.
A FG attempt that was set up with quite a risky approach. On 3rd&4, GT runs up the middle, short of the 1st down to about the 38, with no TOs and the clock ticking past 0:15. All before switching units en masse to set up a rushed FG.
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1966946666478743929
They knew exactly what to do and they executed it perfectly. I was impressed.
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What the hell kind of color is Kirk Herbstreit?
Yellow
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Texas really making me bearish on the Buckeye defense
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Clemson flying the flag today
(https://i.imgur.com/pZjiieV.png)
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G.T. after the Clemsoning
(https://i.imgur.com/PJdftKo.png)
Upsets like Georgia Tech over Clemson are what make college football extraordinary. The most fun is the fans storming the field!
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Vols-Dawgs is great
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Vols-Dawgs show casing
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Michigan State is doubling up previously unbeaten Youngstown.
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MSUs defense is aggressively bad
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This game is why CFB is the greatest sport in the world and there isn’t anything even close.Vols go back on top - Rocky Top
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This game is why CFB is the greatest sport in the world and there isn’t anything even close.
Especially because one of them is guaranteed to lose!
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Vols-Dawgs is great
We keep hearing from the announcers ALL about Joey Football and his story.
What about Stockton? Kid plays as unfazed as lighthouse in a storm.
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SFU is about to stand for six feet under, if they don't make some major adjustments during this rain delay.
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YSU is a solid FCS team, but I think what was most surprising is that they stuck to their guns. They have the FCS Tebow. Great accuracy on short passes, limited range, but a RB vision when he keeps. But even once MSU went up big, they ran their offense. Was not ideal to coming back, but beating MSU does not make or break their season. If they had just started airing it out, it would have gotten ugly
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Its turned into a beautiful sunny day here in Berkeley. Tons of Gopher fans here at this bar on Telegraph Ave, and the management is clearly pandering to us. I've heard more Prince today than I have in the last 5 years.
Georgia better treat this like the last possession.
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Are the Cyclones going to lose to aSu?
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How can Texas Tech already be up 14-0 on OSU3?
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GA's defense is playing like this is a random Tuesday practice.
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That FG attempt was hideous. On to OT
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OOF
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Twelving in the SEC?!?!
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Pitt/WV tied at 24 in OT
Cyclones up by 8 with 1:34 left
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I actually feel bad for Vol fans
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West Virginia won it in OT after tying the game with 5 seconds left in regulation.
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Buckeyes up 201-11 on yardage, but only 6-0 on the scoreboard.
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Who else is watching Notre Dame - TX A&M? Maybe I've stumbled upon an alternative broadcast, but there are no announcers calling this game it seems. All you hear is crowd noise.
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I actually feel bad for Vol fans
HAHAHAHAHA....no.
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Manning was 11 for 25....vs UTEP.
I'd honestly fake an injury and take a week off. Yeesh.
Now we know why he was a backup behind a 7th-round draft pick.
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Another TD called back by penalty. Just like last week. Cool.
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Back from the theater. Seems I have to watch this bloodbath now bc of the weather delay...
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Back from the theater. Seems I have to watch this bloodbath now bc of the weather delay...
The Lord looking out for you
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Sayin has been missing the guy in the flat in the red zone
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It's really strange for all the night games to be under way and it's still broad daylight here.
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Manning was 11 for 25....vs UTEP.
I'd honestly fake an injury and take a week off. Yeesh.
Now we know why he was a backup behind a 7th-round draft pick.
didn’t watch this game, but yeah that’s bad.
saw his other 2, and to me it looked like he’s playing hurt.
could also be your scenario however- that at the end of the day he’s just not as good as everyone thought he’d be coming out of high school.
i still kinda feel like Pete Finebum or whatever his name is jinxed him.
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I mean you shouldn't lose by 25 points at home to a "decent" MWC team
New Mexico might be a pretty good sleeper team. Still too early to tell. there is no doubt whatsoever though that UCLA is absolute garbage.
Nico done ruined his entire life leaving Tennessee for that. Yeesh.
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It's really strange for all the night games to be under way and it's still broad daylight here.
It's always broad daylight here. Weird having 9a games even after 23 years
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Lagway floated that in and nice snag by the wr
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Old Dominion 31
Virginia Tech 0 in the 3rd
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Are
3 4 5 INTs on the road a bad thing?!?
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https://twitter.com/Blain_Crain/status/1966877743980650823
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Old Dominion 31
Virginia Tech 0 in the 3rd
Blown out by an instate G5, ouch.
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The casino had Peacock, I watched the game with some octogenarian versions of Buckeye Guy and Neutron Man.
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Texas is the best job, Florida is #2, and somehow they have fucked it up for 15 years jn a row
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Manning was 11 for 25....vs UTEP.
I'd honestly fake an injury and take a week off. Yeesh.
Now we know why he was a backup behind a 7th-round draft pick.
He doesn't look like he did last year when he started 2 games against similar scrubby teams and played a lot better. It's pretty obvious he's playing hurt, which lots of players do all the time.
I guess we don't have anyone better than a hurt Arch Manning which sucks for us. Gonna be tough sledding once we hit the SEC schedule, if this is all we've got.
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Sunsets are pretty at home, but these are pretty nice too.
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Tightwad Hill
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The luck of the Collie!!!!
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LSU and Tiger stadium are really one of a kind.
Amazing place to experience.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOMbS6IopJY
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Manning was 11 for 25....vs UTEP.
I'd honestly fake an injury and take a week off. Yeesh.
Now we know why he was a backup behind a 7th-round draft pick.
These two words together struck me.
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He doesn't look like he did last year when he started 2 games against similar scrubby teams and played a lot better. It's pretty obvious he's playing hurt, which lots of players do all the time.
I guess we don't have anyone better than a hurt Arch Manning which sucks for us. Gonna be tough sledding once we hit the SEC schedule, if this is all we've got.
his footwork looks so sloppy, his mechanics look different than they did a year ago, he's missing a lot of easy open throws in every game so far this year, there's close up videos of his face and him grimacing and looking like he's in pain after throws and he just doesn't have the same zip on the ball he had last year.....he has to be hurt imo.
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1967070646070112399
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https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1967070646070112399
LoL
I think they are cooked because even if they win out they'll likely be 0-2 against ranked teams
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USC could be ranked, but that's probably it.
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thoughts from the Michigan game....they looked better with Sherrone Moore sitting his ass at home.
they might want to think about starting Jaishawn Barham at EDGE and Cole Sullivan at LB. Derrick Moore has been playing through injury and hasn't popped off yet at EDGE. Barham gives them an explosive pass rushing threat off the edge they are lacking right now, and TJ Guy has been a major let down through 3 games- expected way more from him after his breakout year last year and this being his SR year. Oh and Jimmy Rolder is not good at ILB. he's a decent back-up, that's it. Cole Sullivan is only a RS Frosh and is already better than him. Time to play Cole Sullivan more and Jimmy Rolder less.
Of course caveats apply, they played a MAC team- but they looked MUCH better when they actually let Bryce Underwood attempt shots down the field on 1st and 2nd down and they actually used his legs in designed run plays and zone reads. WHO WOULDA THUNK IT.
Obviously playing on the road at night in Norman is a much different beast/animal and obviously Oklahoma's talent level and scheme on defense is worlds better than CMU- but they did not set up their young QB with the possibility of having any success last week. Didn't throw it on 1st or 2nd down and never once used his legs in the offense to make Oklahoma have to keep that in mind and account for it. Instead let's run on 1st down into an 8 man box, run on 2nd down into an 8 man box, and then let's ask our 18 year old true freshman QB to throw it on 3rd and long and save us. Lol.
It's vs a MAC team- but 63 points while taking the foot off the gas pedal is pretty impressive- could've even had 73 points- their automatic FG kicker missed a FG and they had a long TD run by Jordan Marshall called back- and this Michigan offense wasn't doing that last year against crap teams at all. They probably already have more explosive plays of 20+ yards on offense this year through 3 games than they did all of last year in 13 games. Might not even be an exaggeration. WR's are still pretty ass.
Bryce Underwood has insane levels of talent. I feel like there are going to be tons of WRs in the portal this off-season that would want to come join him. If it doesn't work out here for him- it'll be because Sherrone Moore is a piss poor coach. Won't be because of Bryce Underwood.
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My wife and I took our two oldest to the Big House for their first game. A few takeaways.
- I forgot how great the college atmosphere is. Even a game like Michigan vs CMU, it’s just incredible to be around. I’ve leaned this way a while, but was even deeper confirmation, the NFL game, at least in Cleveland is trash. It felt a million times more family oriented in Ann Arbor. That’s not to say there’s not drinking, but tailgating at Browns games a drunken mid-life crisis. We will be making Ann Arbor an annual event with the kids moving forward.
- Seeing a game live you can pick up so much more. Michigan receivers are very mediocre. Underwood a couple times lead receivers on short screens and twice ended up being incomplete passes. On tv, it would have looked like a pass too far ahead of the receiver, but live you could see how the receiver misunderstood what was needed. Also, as Mdot has noted, Barham is an absolutely beast. It’s more remarkable live. If he’s not double teamed, he creates an issue for offenses. Him missing the first half of Oklahoma is now a bigger impact than I thought.
- Underwood is the real deal. The kid for 18 is a massive specimen. So often people’s dimensions are increased on paper, like Semaj Morgan as he is very short, but Bryce is a massive human and he throws the ball very easily. He’s going to make some mistakes being to aggressive downfield, but he’s also something special. He reminds me of a Pryor/Cam Newton type combination yet he looks this good this early. Yes it was CMU, but a couple balls he threw were eye opening, jaw dropping … now way moments.
- If Michigan goes back to run up the middle on 1st and 2nd down ever again with underwood, Moore or play caller should be fired. No joke. You can’t have talent like this and not let it be itself whether it’s CMU, Oklahoma or the Buckeyes. Good coaching adjusts to the talent.
- Lastly, we all love this game. As messed up as our world is, go make an effort to have experiences with people you are lucky to call loved ones. It’s worth it.
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UCLA fired Foster
Guessing VT going to fire whoever their coach is ASAP as well
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Napier will be gone soon, as thanks to the schedule, Florida is staring down a 1-5 record.
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yup, checked Underwoods rushing stats
scary for the Blackshirts next Saturday - hopefully, the D coordinator can come up with something
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yup, checked Underwoods rushing stats
scary for the Blackshirts next Saturday - hopefully, the D coordinator can come up with something
The crazy part is it wasn’t 1 or 2 huge runs or broken plays. It was designed qb sneaks. It was him being allowed to be a mobile qb, reading the play and defense and just multiple 10+ yard plays using athletic ability. One 20 yard td play was a broken play, but he created the broken play, reversed field and just outran everyone.
I think eventually a lot of opposing fans will watch him how I used to watch Troy Smith, just enjoyable to watch how intelligent of plays he makes and sometimes makes something out of nothing and you wonder how. The difference is he’s gifted even more size and athleticism than Smith. Either that or he’ll be greatly hated for his talent lol. Sometimes, like a Jeremiah Smith, are so talented you don’t want to see them with your rival, but you have to appreciate they’re just a different type of player.
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https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1967276906287612402
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Old Dominion 31
Virginia Tech 0 in the 3rd
Virginia Tech fires Brent Pry - shocker.Napier's prolly pearl clutching
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wonder if either of these teams have an OL or WR worth a damn that Michigan can poach...
https://twitter.com/PeteNakos_/status/1967274514120908988
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a DT for Nebraska
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46257776/sources-ucla-fires-deshaun-foster-bruins-start-0-3
Deshaun Foster fired as UCLA head football coach.
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https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1967276906287612402
Sure, but they were both getting their doors blown off by G5s.
VA Tech just lost bad to an instate opponent that didn't even have a football team until 2009, and didn't move up to FBS until 2014.
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https://twitter.com/PickSixPreviews/status/1967316705413402859
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https://twitter.com/PickSixPreviews/status/1967316705413402859
Reasonable given they may win out. I tip my hat to them, they didn’t mess around with a bunch of LSOP teams. I think it’s stupid, but respectable.
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wonder if either of these teams have an OL or WR worth a damn that Michigan can poach...
You damn ambulance chaser
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FqeA0jZAlsCHAI%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1)
There's alot of good quetions/comments in that link
-Great more players that have absolutely no concept of team. This has ruined CF forever.
-Wait, they can transfer in-season?
-They have destroyed college football.
-If they “transfer” this has to be just a formality right? Because they are still students at a university enrolled in courses correct? What university is currently allowing enrollment for this semester? Wouldn’t they have to wait until Spring semester?
-Mid-season garage sale?
- Wild times. Do they have immediate eligibility? It's ridiculous if kids can transfer during the season.
- Nico just got a get out of jail free card.
- You gotta be fucking kidding me
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wonder if either of these teams have an OL or WR worth a damn that Michigan can poach...
a DT for Nebraska
Horns could use a QB... but not that one.
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https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1967279528109334999
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He's not lying,the facking suits and Wonks have destroyed the sport.They already had enough but wanted more - SMDH
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There's no such thing as enough.
btw, Florida's defense has allowed 2 TDs this season...and we're 1-2.
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sounds offensive
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good time to kick UCLA out of the conference
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good time to kick UCLA out of the conference
I'd actually love to see the B1G try. The lawsuit would be over a billion dollars. It would be a landmark case.
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What the heck is going on?
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Brazen,wanton,greed
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This is an advantage for Sling but it is hilarious, watch to the end.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19uaQrtz18/
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I'd actually love to see the B1G try. The lawsuit would be over a billion dollars. It would be a landmark case.
I mean, why would the B1G want to kick out UCLA ? Its already full of whipping boys. Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, usually Indiana, so forth and so on. What would be the driver for kicking them out ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCN7-snynxQ
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I mean, why would the B1G want to kick out UCLA ? Its already full of whipping boys. Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, usually Indiana, so forth and so on. What would be the driver for kicking them out ?
The B1G wouldn't want to, at all. Their inclusion of UCLA was deliberate.
Just a few posters around here constantly grousing about them. It's amusing to me that they're so vehement about it. It's nonsensical but this is the internet after all.
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There's no such thing as enough.
btw, Florida's defense has allowed 2 TDs this season...and we're 1-2.
(https://i.imgflip.com/a63xoe.jpg)
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I'd actually love to see the B1G try. The lawsuit would be over a billion dollars. It would be a landmark case.
UCLA doesn't have the money to defend.
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I mean, why would the B1G want to kick out UCLA ? Its already full of whipping boys. Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, usually Indiana, so forth and so on. What would be the driver for kicking them out ?
Miss State, Vandy, South Carolina, Arky, Kentucky, and so on.
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UCLA doesn't have the money to defend.
The B1G would end up paying for it all ultimately.
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Miss State, Vandy, South Carolina, Arky, Kentucky, and so on.
What are teams that have never and will never win the SEC? You left off A&M, and Ole Miss. And I realize that some of those teams may have won the SEC back in the 60’s and 70’s or earlier, but I’m talking about since the CCG was instituted in 1992.
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I mean, why would the B1G want to kick out UCLA ? Its already full of whipping boys. Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, usually Indiana, so forth and so on. What would be the driver for kicking them out ?
Perhaps you don't watch CFB,those highlighted are 3-0 and Hoosiers put up 73 so try to stay informed.And none of their coaches have a 75 million dollar buy out so they have that going for them.
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The B1G would end up paying for it all ultimately.
Probably, what a mess they couldn't leave well enough alone with old rivalries in place
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Probably, what a mess they couldn't leave well enough alone with old rivalries in place
Indeed. As you stated...
Brazen,wanton,greed
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What are teams that have never and will never win the SEC? You left off A&M, and Ole Miss. And I realize that some of those teams may have won the SEC back in the 60’s and 70’s or earlier, but I’m talking about since the CCG was instituted in 1992.
The point is, every conference has its traditional whipping boys.
Wisconsin is back to being one of those, after 35 years of not being one of those.
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Gotta get their Big Uglies back,wish Fickell the best can't do anything about injuries.Find the kitchen sink and throw it at them
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I'm at the point of zero confidence. Zero improvement in year 3 - if anything, regression.
For as much as he's been a jerk about this, @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) is right. Luke Fickell is not a Big Ten coach.
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I'd actually love to see the B1G try. The lawsuit would be over a billion dollars. It would be a landmark case.
so, if/when 60-80 teams break away and exclude UCLA from the big pot of $$$, will there be a landmark case?
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so, if/when 60-80 teams break away and exclude UCLA from the big pot of $$$, will there be a landmark case?
There will certainly be potential anti-trust implications affecting far more schools than just UCLA.
But a breakaway is a completely different scenario, than kicking a member out. That should be self-explanatory.
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it is
members have been kicked out before, probably landmark cases
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The Big Ten and SEC could be disbanded and start over with the schools of their choice, to form the NFL Lite.
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it is
members have been kicked out before, probably landmark cases
When?
All I can think of is Temple and the Big East. Pretty sure they went quietly.
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What teams have been kicked out?
Temple got kicked out of the Big East, but they were a satellite member for football only. So that hardly counts.
Idaho and Montana effectively got kicked out of the Pac 12. But the original conference disbanded, and they formed a "new" conference with the other 8 members.
Did Tulane or GA Tech get kicked out of the SEC? I don't know the story there.
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it is
members have been kicked out before, probably landmark cases
You're being deliberately obtuse because you know for a fact that no members have ever been kicked out of the B1G or the SEC in the multi-billion dollar contract era.
Like I said, I'd be highly amused watching the B1G attempt to do it, then getting sued for over a billion dollars, and having to pay all of UCLA's legal fees and bills on top of that. It would be high comedy.
But we all know it won't ever happen, because the B1G wants UCLA in the conference and doesn't give a shit what rando internet fans want.
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The Big Ten and SEC could be disbanded and start over with the schools of their choice, to form the NFL Lite.
This is, of course, the only way it could work.
Did Tulane or GA Tech get kicked out of the SEC? I don't know the story there.
Pretty sure GaTech left willingly. I don't recall Tulane's deal. It was a very very long time ago. Can you imagine any B1G or SEC team willingly leaving now?
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members have been kicked out before, probably landmark cases
Ya know why sharks won't eat Lawyers? Out of professional courtesy,with the exception of the Esquires assembled here of course
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What teams have been kicked out?
Temple got kicked out of the Big East, but they were a satellite member for football only. So that hardly counts.
Idaho and Montana effectively got kicked out of the Pac 12. But the original conference disbanded, and they formed a "new" conference with the other 8 members.
Did Tulane or GA Tech get kicked out of the SEC? I don't know the story there.
They left on their own. So did Sewanee.
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This is, of course, the only way it could work.
Pretty sure GaTech left willingly. I don't recall Tulane's deal. It was a very very long time ago. Can you imagine any B1G or SEC team willingly leaving now?
Actually, yes.
The money flowing now is not a forever thing. It's not sustainable.
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Actually, yes.
The money flowing now is not a forever thing. It's not sustainable.
Unless/until a breakaway, the money will always be more in the B1G and SEC, than anywhere else.
So why would anyone leave before then?
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The Big Ten and SEC could be disbanded and start over with the schools of their choice, to form the NFL Lite.
I'm on board with letting the NFL start their own minor leages - and finance it.Actual students aren't going to portaling every season because ya know, career aspirations.I'd like to hear what all the student/athletes not being financed have to say about this mess.How much more complicated and time consuming sports are because they are spending an inordinate amount of time traveling to distant venues.Thus cutting into studies and other aspects of life while University Admins & Network Executives are making bank while putting on this charade that they care
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They won't leave before then. The money is going to dry up sooner than later.
NBC/FOX/CBS/Mickey Mouse won't want to pay for the Vandy's and Northwestern's (etc.) much longer. Just wait until the next negotiations. It will be over.
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I'm on board with letting the NFL start their own minor leages - and finance it.Actual students aren't going to portaling every season because ya know, career aspirations.I'd like to hear what all the student/athletes not being financed have to say about this mess.How much more complicated and time consuming sports are because they are spending an inordinate amount of time traveling to distant venues.Thus cutting into studies and other aspects of life while University Admins & Network Executives are making bank while putting on this charade that they care
Why would the NFL start a league when the power conferences stupidly do it for free?
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When?
All I can think of is Temple and the Big East. Pretty sure they went quietly.
What teams have been kicked out?
Temple got kicked out of the Big East, but they were a satellite member for football only.
Odd you both had this revelation and were typing it at precisely the same time making a valid point to the resident pot stirrer - youse two get a Yuengling
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Why would the NFL start a league when the power conferences stupidly do it for free?
Only thing better than a free farm league would be a profitable one.
If the NFL ever thought they could make money on a minor league they'd do it. I'd be shocked if they haven't researched it and the fact that they haven't done it yet, tells me they know it won't make enough money to be worth it.
So they will remain content to let college football provide that for free.
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Why would the NFL start a league when the power conferences stupidly do it for free?
Oh I get that but the University Administrators should be pulling in the reigns.The NFL and Networks are just whores plying their trade
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So they will remain content to let college football provide that for free.
Same - as - it - ever - was!!! Time to kick the status quo in the cajones,then the NFL will jack up their prices again and maybe fold - that'd be cool
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Same - as - it - ever - was!!! Time to kick the status quo in the cajones,then the NFL will jack up their prices again and maybe fold - that'd be cool
I guess I'm not sure what you believe college football can do about it? I completely understand the frustration, but do you have a specific solution in mind?
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I guess I'm not sure what you believe college football can do about it? I completely understand the frustration, but do you have a specific solution in mind?
Yes.
Take the "college" charade out of it and call it what it is.
None of these kids ain't come to play skool.
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yup, just close down the athletic department
simple & specific
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but, not gonna happen
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yup, just close down the athletic department
simple & specific
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but, not gonna happen
The athletic departments will consist of 4 sports.
Football, men's and women's basketball, and women's volleyball.
Maybe hockey survives.
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The athletic departments will consist of 4 sports.
Football, men's and women's basketball, and women's volleyball.
Maybe hockey survives.
No baseball?
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Perhaps you don't watch CFB,those highlighted are 3-0 and Hoosiers put up 73 so try to stay informed.And none of their coaches have a 75 million dollar buy out so they have that going for them.
Now let's look at their record over 5, 10, and 20 years. I'm speaking about the historic trends, not a one season blip.
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saw something that states the Sooners band won't be making this weeks roadtrip - no money
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We don't much care about baseball in the B1G. Maybe the Pacwipes and UNL do?
Wisconsin doesn't even sponsor it anymore.
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I'm at the point of zero confidence. Zero improvement in year 3 - if anything, regression.
For as much as he's been a jerk about this, @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) is right. Luke Fickell is not a Big Ten coach.
Jason Eck
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like Hockey down south - club sports
fund yerself
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Actually, yes.
The money flowing now is not a forever thing. It's not sustainable.
disagree. tv money will continue to pour in so long as the helmets in the Power 2 conferences continue to bring in the tv ratings.
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saw something that states the Sooners band won't be making this weeks roadtrip - no money
Oklahoma plays Auburn at home....
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Why would the NFL start a league when the power conferences stupidly do it for free?
they don't do it for free.....they make billions with a b- of dollars doing it.
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Yes.
Take the "college" charade out of it and call it what it is.
None of these kids ain't come to play skool.
yeah....and they never have. the fact that you think they have is kinda cute though.
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Perhaps you don't watch CFB,those highlighted are 3-0 and Hoosiers put up 73 so try to stay informed.And none of their coaches have a 75 million dollar buy out so they have that going for them.
I mean, I'm not proud of it, but it was $77 million, and a connected Alumni told me that money was already committed by the Big Wigs before he was canned.
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they don't do it for free.....they make billions with a b- of dollars doing it.
It's a free farm league to the NFL, is what's being said here.
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yeah....and they never have. the fact that you think they have is kinda cute though.
I had two starting OL for a Rose Bowl Champion team (and eventual NFL players) as engineering lab partners. I had an NBS champion in an ME class. I have several more examples.
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Jason Eck
That would be my first choice. Played and coached under Alvarez. The shoe fits.
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I had two starting OL for a Rose Bowl Champion team (and eventual NFL players) as engineering lab partners. I had an NBS champion in an ME class. I have several more examples.
those are the exceptions, not the rules. most guys in P4 conferences that are future NFL guys....ain't there to play skool- and have never been there to play skool.
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I disagree completely. Only recently (2010+/-) have things changed for the worse.
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It's a free farm league to the NFL, is what's being said here.
yeah, well duh.
his implication was that Power 4 conferences just do this whole football thing for free. they don't. they make billions of dollars operating their leagues. and there ain't nothing stupid about it.
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those are the exceptions, not the rules. most guys in P4 conferences that are future NFL guys....ain't there to play skool- and have never been there to play skool.
No, most are "aspiring NFL guys". Not everybody gets drafted, in fact most don't get drafted. And it's top heavy. A team like Alabama may have 8-10 guys drafted, but Mississippi State may have one or two every other year.
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I disagree completely. Only recently (2010+/-) have things changed for the worse.
you can disagree all you want. but it's the truth.
and it's not recently either- been that way long before 2010.
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That would be my first choice. Played and coached under Alvarez. The shoe fits.
still might be too early to give up on Fickell- it is only Year 3. he could still turn things around.
Eck is a Wisconsin guy though and is proving he can really coach. took Idaho to FCS playoffs every year he was there and had 10+ win season his 3rd and final year. took New Mexico into UCLA's house and whooped that ass and got their coach fired.
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yeah, well duh.
his implication was that Power 4 conferences just do this whole football thing for free. they don't. they make billions of dollars operating their leagues. and there ain't nothing stupid about it.
No, that wasn't.
Again, the entire argument has been about how the NFL is getting the benefit of a free minor league, and has operated in poor faith while interacting with college football. The NFL gets all the benefit of a farm system, with zero risk or financial cost, and the interaction between the two is one-sided and often detrimental to college football. This is all certainly true.
It's also true that the college football conferences and schools are making billions of their own. But that wasn't the point being made about how the NFL interacts with college football.
And again, the only thing better than a free farm system for the NFL, would be a profitable one. But I have little doubt they've explored the option and decided it's not worth the investment or risk. So they'll remain satisfied allowing college football to continue providing them a free minor league, with zero risk or investment on their part.
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No, that wasn't.
Again, the entire argument has been about how the NFL is getting the benefit of a free minor league, and has operated in poor faith while interacting with college football. The NFL gets all the benefit of a farm system, with zero risk or financial cost, and the interaction between the two is one-sided and detrimental to college football.This is all certainly true.
It's also true that the college football conferences and schools are making billions of their own. But that wasn't the point being made about how the NFL interacts with college football.
And again, the only thing better than a free farm system for the NFL, would be a profitable one. But I have little doubt they've explored the option and decided it's not worth the investment or risk. So they'll remain satisfied allowing college football to continue providing them a free minor league, with zero risk or investment on their part.
the college Power conferences (SEC/B1G) benefit as well by the NFL not having a competing farm system. you really think they want to share with the NFL and give up their multi-billion dollar golden goose? hint: they don't.
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Again, the entire argument has been about how the NFL is getting the benefit of a free minor league, and has operated in poor faith while interacting with college football.
What exactly could the NFL do to co-exist with college football better? They already won't allow anybody not a junior to declare for the draft....what other things would improve CFB?
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you can disagree all you want. but it's the truth.
and it's not recently either- been that way long before 2010.
Maybe it has at Michigan.
Did you have classes with any athletes?
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What exactly could the NFL do to co-exist with college football better? They already won't allow anybody not a junior to declare for the draft....what other things would improve CFB?
They could stop doing that and just let them get drafted out of HS. Let them pay for the development.
But they won't.
I'd like to see a class-action lawsuit on behalf of players against the NFL.
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Bryce Underwood belongs at Georgia...slow down kid.
https://twitter.com/DylanEveryday/status/1967412791087952168
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the college Power conferences (SEC/B1G) benefit as well by the NFL not having a competing farm system. you really think they want to share with the NFL and give up their multi-billion dollar golden goose? hint: they don't.
Maybe, but I'm relatively certain that if the NFL believed it could develop a farm system that would actually compete with college football, they already would have done so. The NFL isn't known for leaving money on the table.
I think that college football fans are very particular about how they follow college football. NFL games out-draw college football games, but I don't think an NFL farm league would draw much vierwership away from college football.
Regardless I don't think we're ever going to see it. If it were going to happen, it would have happened.
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Question...
If the NFL actually created a farm league... And it was during the fall when CFB exists...
Who would watch?
The UFL averaged 670K/game this spring (https://pfnewsroom.com/column/ufl-tv-ratings-drop-the-current-trend-in-sports/) and it's not going up against college or NFL football.
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Question...
If the NFL actually created a farm league... And it was during the fall when CFB exists...
Who would watch?
The UFL averaged 670K/game this spring (https://pfnewsroom.com/column/ufl-tv-ratings-drop-the-current-trend-in-sports/) and it's not going up against college or NFL football.
who would watch immediately? probably no one.
but if the NFL and it's tv partners threw insane money behind it and all of the top players in CFB left CFB and jumped ship to NFL Farm and all the recruits in the ESPN/Rivals/247/ON3 top 300 lists started going to the NFL Farm and bypassing college- probably a lot.
but none of this is ever going to happen so it's kind of stupid to even talk or think about imo.
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it's funny cause I hate Notre Dame...
https://twitter.com/IcingThePunter_/status/1967339833015312776
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yeah, well duh.
his implication was that Power 4 conferences just do this whole football thing for free. they don't. they make billions of dollars operating their leagues. and there ain't nothing stupid about it.
No Shyt they're making coin,that's fine until the wheels start falling off Cinderalla's Midnight Carraige - that's stoopid. And it appears to be what may happen
more - more - more - more, that Suits think fans can keep fostering. Both 847 & 94 dropped their season duckets,Badge sited climbing prices - before he moved. Good friend on mine has a Brother who recently retired as an Ear,Nose & Throat Specialist from private pratice. He graduated from tOSU's Medical School and dropped his season Tics for the same reason.And he has a P.h.D.....before moving to FLA.,Hmm seems to be a trend there rich folks landing there. Anyhow read the tea leaves 847 is right it's not sustainable
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who would watch immediately? probably no one.
but if the NFL and it's tv partners threw insane money behind it and all of the top players in CFB left CFB and jumped ship to NFL Farm and all the recruits in the ESPN/Rivals/247/ON3 top 300 lists started going to the NFL Farm and bypassing college- probably a lot.
but none of this is ever going to happen so it's kind of stupid to even talk or think about imo.
Bullshit. What day would they play on? Saturday? Sunday? Saturday is full-on CFB. It doesn't matter what players go where, Michigan, Texas, OU, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia, and every other team in the Big 10 and SEC will fill their stadiums with 80,000 plus. We will all root for our teams, TV or no TV. You'd basically have to risk billions of dollars to even try to compete with CFB.
Look at baseball's minor league system. I think I've read that at best, it's a break-even venture. Most lose money. They are strictly put there to develop baseball talent that's not quite ready for the majors. I can only tell you two minor league teams: Sugarland Skeeters, and Savannah Bananas, and the Sugarland Skeeters are now the Space Cowboys. They're a freakin' cartoon league. I've never been to a game or even seen one on TV. Nobody cares. And don't tell me they're going to be a spring league. Nobody is asking for it, nobody wants it. Plenty of CFB players that can't make it in the NFL have went to the USFL and XFL. Nobody watches.
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No Shyt they're making coin,that's fine until the wheels start falling off Cinderalla's Midnight Carraige - that's stoopid. And it appears to be what may happen
more - more - more - more, that Suits think fans can keep fostering. Both 847 & 94 dropped their season duckets,Badge sited climbing prices - before he moved. Good friend on mine has a Brother who recently retired as an Ear,Nose & Throat Specialist from private pratice. He graduated from tOSU's Medical School and dropped his season Tics for the same reason.And he has a P.h.D.....before moving to FLA.,Hmm seems to be a trend there rich folks landing there. Anyhow read the tea leaves 847 is right it's not sustainable
Stadium looks full to me on TV.
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but if the NFL and it's tv partners threw insane money behind it and all of the top players in CFB left CFB and jumped ship to NFL Farm and all the recruits in the ESPN/Rivals/247/ON3 top 300 lists started going to the NFL Farm and bypassing college- probably a lot.
but none of this is ever going to happen so it's kind of stupid to even talk or think about imo.
Of course because it's going to blow up 1st or turn into gladiator contests that Kings/Queens and their courts can afford to attend
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It's not a seasn blip Ru
saw something that states the Sooners band won't be making this weeks roadtrip - no money
Deep Pockets of the opponents prolly paid them to stay home on the account of hearing BOOMER SOONER every other down
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I mean, I'm not proud of it, but it was $77 million, and a connected Alumni told me that money was already committed by the Big Wigs before he was canned.
Fine example of a bad example of where the sport is going
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it's funny cause I hate Notre Dame...
ND lost to 2 ranked teams
Miami was host and ranked 10(now 4) when ND lost to them by 3. T A & M was ranked 16(now 10) and ND lost to them by 1 @ home. So hardly humiliating, not fond of them either
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Stadium looks full to me on TV.
It's not as full as it used to be in Madison. Capacity has been reduced from the 85K peak to about 76K today.
There is no longer a 10 year wait list for season tickets. They are trying to peddle them every year, since about 2015 or so.
Students show up sometime in Q2 and leave after Jump Around.
It ain't what it was. The die-hard fans are getting older or actually dying.
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The longterm trend in college football attendance is down over the past 10-15 years. I do think it blipped up a bit last year but that's counter to the trend.
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(https://i.imgur.com/9mYvNRU.png)
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Stadium looks full to me on TV.
which ones,not those being left behind in the NIL Derby
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The longterm trend in college football attendance is down over the past 10-15 years. I do think it blipped up a bit last year but that's counter to the trend.
lot of reasons for that. ticket prices have honestly gotten out of control and people just have less and less disposable income now post-covid as the cost of housing, food, etc. just goes up up up and up.
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lot of reasons for that. ticket prices have honestly gotten out of control and people just have less and less disposable income now post-covid as the cost of housing, food, etc. just goes up up up and up.
Sure.
And also, college kids don't care about sports the way we did. They get their entertainment from very different sources. Student attendance is down as well as total attendance.
Fewer college kids going, translates to fewer adults going after they graduate, translates to fewer young children being taken by their parents, translates to increasingly lower conversion rate of college football fans.
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https://twitter.com/musclepug54/status/1967406421454344535
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No Shyt they're making coin,that's fine until the wheels start falling off Cinderalla's Midnight Carraige - that's stoopid. And it appears to be what may happen
more - more - more - more, that Suits think fans can keep fostering. Both 847 & 94 dropped their season duckets,Badge sited climbing prices - before he moved. Good friend on mine has a Brother who recently retired as an Ear,Nose & Throat Specialist from private pratice. He graduated from tOSU's Medical School and dropped his season Tics for the same reason.And he has a P.h.D.....before moving to FLA.,Hmm seems to be a trend there rich folks landing there. Anyhow read the tea leaves 847 is right it's not sustainable
Frankly, the biggest reason I still have tickets is that it's not hard to get down to campus from where I'm at.
After the 2014 season, which featured the first wins over Nebraska and Michigan in a long time as well as a 51-14 flogging of Iowa, AD Norwood Teague decided that it was time to re-seat and significantly up the price in 3 stages, starting with fall 2015. It wrecked the season ticket base. Teague would be fired later that summer for sexually harassing two high-ranking University employees, so it goes without saying that his judgement was questionable at best. A poster at the Gopher Hole has compiled the number of season tickets sold when it gets released through FOIA filings. Since 2013, here it is:
Season tix sold |
2013 | 33284 |
2014 | 33385 |
2015 | 27885 |
2016 | 22706 |
2017 | 22990 |
2018 | 21682 |
2019 | 21689 |
2021 | 23636 |
2022 | 23443 |
2023 | 25317 or 25396 |
2024 | 23592 |
2025 | 23089 |
The 3rd stage of the price hike was supposed to happen before the 2017 season, but was halted after the whole Clayes fiasco that eventually led to the hiring of PJ Fleck.
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Frankly, the biggest reason I still have tickets is that it's not hard to get down to campus from where I'm at.
After the 2014 season, which featured the first wins over Nebraska and Michigan in a long time as well as a 51-14 flogging of Iowa, AD Norwood Teague decided that it was time to re-seat and significantly up the price in 3 stages, starting with fall 2015. It wrecked the season ticket base. Teague would be fired later that summer for sexually harassing two high-ranking University employees, so it goes without saying that his judgement was questionable at best. A poster at the Gopher Hole has compiled the number of season tickets sold when it gets released through FOIA filings. Since 2013, here it is:
Season tix sold |
2013 | 33284 |
2014 | 33385 |
2015 | 27885 |
2016 | 22706 |
2017 | 22990 |
2018 | 21682 |
2019 | 21689 |
2021 | 23636 |
2022 | 23443 |
2023 | 25317 or 25396 |
2024 | 23592 |
2025 | 23089 |
The 3rd stage of the price hike was supposed to happen before the 2017 season, but was halted after the whole Clayes fiasco that eventually led to the hiring of PJ Fleck.
I was curious so I looked it up.
In 2013 the Gophers were coming off of four consecutive losing seasons:
- 6-7 in 2009
- 3-9 in 2010
- 3-9 in 2011
- 6-7 in 2012
Then they had winning (8-5) records in both 2013 and 2014. Usually that drives ticket sales up and 2014 was marginally higher than 2013 but 2015 sales were almost 6k off of 2014. That shouldn't happen coming off of back-to-back pretty good seasons. They stumbled to 6-7 in 2015 which would normally cause ticket sales to drop a bit but 5k? That is almost 20%. They had a 9-4 record in 2016 so demand should have been up and it was, but only by <300 tickets.
2017 was another losing season and sales dropped in 2018 but only by ~300. My supposition is that the ~21k still buying in 2018/2019 is pretty near Minnesota's floor.
2018 was a barely winning (7-6) season but it didn't help as 2019 sales were basically unchanged from 2018.
In 2019 the Gophers went 11-2 and finished in the top-10! The 2019 team went 6-1 at home featuring a 34-7 thumping of Nebraska (yeah, Nebraska was a 5-7 team but how many thumpings of the Cornhuskers can any living Gopher fan remember?) and a thrilling win over #5 Penn State. Ordinarily that would have pushed ticket demand through the roof for the following season but COVID interfered.
After the COVID season, they sold a few thousand more tickets than pre-covid in 2021. 2021 and 2022 were back-to-back 9-4 years that got demand up to around 25.5k but that is still ~8k off of where they were in 2013/2014 and it dropped in 2024 after a losing season in 2023.
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Just a note on the poll.
We tend to think of 1 spot as 1 spot and that say a 4-spot gap is uniform but it very much isn't. I bring that up because in this week's poll there are a couple of groups that are REALLY close together.
Ohio State is #1 and has a 141 vote lead on #2 Penn State. It isn't because Ohio State has a monopoly on 1st place votes. Ohio State doesn't have all the first place votes and even if they did, that would only explain a 67 vote lead over #2. The reason is that #2 through #6 are all THISCLOSE together:
- 1490 Penn State is only 20 votes ahead of
- 1470 LSU is only 36 votes ahead of
- 1434 LSU is only six votes ahead of
- 1428 UGA is only five votes ahead of
- 1423 Oregon
#6 Oregon is only 67 votes behind #2 Penn State but they are 300 votes ahead of #7 Florida State. After that huge gap from #6 to #7:
- 1123 #7 FSU is only 12 votes ahead of
- 1111 #8 Texas is only 1 vote ahead of
- 1110 #9 Illinois is only 9 votes ahead of
- 1101 #10 aTm is only 45 votes ahead of
- 1056 #11 Oklahoma
My point being that #2 through #6 and #7 through #11 are basically interchangeable.
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I was curious so I looked it up.
In 2013 the Gophers were coming off of four consecutive losing seasons:
- 6-7 in 2009
- 3-9 in 2010
- 3-9 in 2011
- 6-7 in 2012
Then they had winning (8-5) records in both 2013 and 2014. Usually that drives ticket sales up and 2014 was marginally higher than 2013 but 2015 sales were almost 6k off of 2014. That shouldn't happen coming off of back-to-back pretty good seasons. They stumbled to 6-7 in 2015 which would normally cause ticket sales to drop a bit but 5k? That is almost 20%. They had a 9-4 record in 2016 so demand should have been up and it was, but only by <300 tickets.
2017 was another losing season and sales dropped in 2018 but only by ~300. My supposition is that the ~21k still buying in 2018/2019 is pretty near Minnesota's floor.
2018 was a barely winning (7-6) season but it didn't help as 2019 sales were basically unchanged from 2018.
In 2019 the Gophers went 11-2 and finished in the top-10! The 2019 team went 6-1 at home featuring a 34-7 thumping of Nebraska (yeah, Nebraska was a 5-7 team but how many thumpings of the Cornhuskers can any living Gopher fan remember?) and a thrilling win over #5 Penn State. Ordinarily that would have pushed ticket demand through the roof for the following season but COVID interfered.
After the COVID season, they sold a few thousand more tickets than pre-covid in 2021. 2021 and 2022 were back-to-back 9-4 years that got demand up to around 25.5k but that is still ~8k off of where they were in 2013/2014 and it dropped in 2024 after a losing season in 2023.
Season tickets for the 2015 season was the start of a 3-year sizable increase in both base price and mandatory donations for season tickets. Mandatory donations went from affecting ~9,500 seats to ~29,000 seats, and there was an increase of base price of ~50%.
The 2015 crash featured Jerry Kill quitting midway through the season, going 1-5 down the stretch, the second step of mandatory donation hike, and the grand opening of the Viking Ship across the river. The hikes were wisely stopped after 2016 renewals to stop the bleeding, and my prices have been constant since then.
Still, there are a lot of hard feelings from that price hike that haven't gone away in the 10 years since.
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Fun stat of the day
I always liked Mullen and thought it could have worked out for him there given another 1-2 yrs. But he hadn't yet reached Superior or Meyer's heights so they cut him loose.
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The hikes were wisely stopped after 2016 renewals to stop the bleeding, and my prices have been constant since then.
Still, there are a lot of hard feelings from that price hike that haven't gone away in the 10 years since.
This is what I'm getting at,cable and streaming are going there too.Sooner or later things will start to fail
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lot of reasons for that. ticket prices have honestly gotten out of control and people just have less and less disposable income now post-covid as the cost of housing, food, etc. just goes up up up and up.
Sure.
And also, college kids don't care about sports the way we did. They get their entertainment from very different sources. Student attendance is down as well as total attendance.
Fewer college kids going, translates to fewer adults going after they graduate, translates to fewer young children being taken by their parents, translates to increasingly lower conversion rate of college football fans.
Correct you both get a Yuengling
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(https://i.imgur.com/3rcLMPn.jpeg)
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How they fared the rest of the way:
'88 UM: went 9-0-1 after their 0-2 start, won the Big Ten
'84 AUB: finished 9-2 the rest of the way (9-4 overall)
'58 SMU: finished 6-2 (6-4 overall)
'49 Mizzou: finished 7-2, 2nd in the Big 7 (7-4 overall)
'48 PUR: finished 3-4 (3-6 overall)
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So for the most part, the voters were right, as these teams tended to do very well despite their start.
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I'm not gonna care about Notre Dame and their typical overratedness.
I'm more focused on the dream of them starting 0-3.
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'49 Mizzou: finished 7-2, 2nd in the Big 7 (7-4 overall)
with a 21-20 win over the Huskers in Columbia
Huskers finished 4-5
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Only thing better than a free farm league would be a profitable one.
If the NFL ever thought they could make money on a minor league they'd do it. I'd be shocked if they haven't researched it and the fact that they haven't done it yet, tells me they know it won't make enough money to be worth it.
So they will remain content to let college football provide that for free.
I think that a big part of this is the inherent cost of operating a football team.
If you think about minor league baseball or an equivalent for basketball you have a LOT less athletes on the team. That doesn't just impact salaries. It also impacts transportation costs, lodging costs, etc. Sending a football team on an overnight trip is an expensive endeavor. IMHO, the NFL would find that cost prohibitive for a minor league that wouldn't generate enough viewers to make much TV revenue and wouldn't sell enough tickets to generate much gate.
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I always liked Mullen and thought it could have worked out for him there given another 1-2 yrs. But he hadn't yet reached Superior or Meyer's heights so they cut him loose.
Ehhh, Mullen was no Spurrier, but tried to emulate him. Neither was a fan of recruiting and thought they could hang 50 on you with whoever wanted to suit up for 'em. Spurrier could and Mullen couldn't. SOS's winning kept him getting talented players, not his efforts to reel them in.
Florida's talent level decreased under Mullen.
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it's kinda a rivalry, so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,