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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on September 03, 2025, 09:24:13 AM
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night game in Nomran, Oklahoma at 7:30 PM (ET). Sooners are a 5.5 point home favorite and the O/U is 45.5.
first real test of the young true freshman QB Bryce Underwood's career- and it comes on the road at night. Oklahoma has a great defense and Brent Venables is known for throwing the kitchen sink at QB's. This will not be easy pickens for him or that offense by any stretch. Michigan will be without star ILB Jaishawn Barhamn for the first half due to an awful targeting call in last weeks game vs New Mexico.
John Mateer looked great in his debut for Oklahoma. He's only started 1 year prior in college at Washington State- last year- and overall played extremely well- but did struggle a bit last year against the better defenses he faced. Michigan's defense will be the biggest test he's had so far in his career.
One thing to pay attention to is Oklahoma really struggled to run the ball vs Illinois State (an FCS team) and got out rushed at home by them. They are starting two true freshman along the OL and may still be plagued by the OL issues they were last year. Something to watch out for.
will be a battle and a low scoring game imo. I like Michigan to cover- but I do think Oklahoma pulls it out near the end late in a close nail biter. At home at night with a veteran QB vs a green true frosh rookie making his first road start is the difference to me imo.
Unless of course Oklahoma just can't run the football at all and their OL keeps getting blown up by a strong Michigan front 7, then things could get interesting in Michigan's favor. Or unless of course Michigan true frosh QB gets the yips and makes bunch of turnovers and Oklahoma runs away with it.
One of the most interesting games of the year- will be exciting to watch and I'm sure I'll be on the edge of my seat screaming at the tv.
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It should be a good game, I see these as a couple of evenly matched teams. The betting line seems to suggest the same.
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Oklahoma.
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It should be a good game, I see these as a couple of evenly matched teams. The betting line seems to suggest the same.
hopefully it's a good one. line started at 2.5 but gone up to 5.5 in Oklahoma favor.
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Oklahoma.
respect. would expect nothing less from an Ohio State guy. I was rooting like hell for Texas vs you basterds. thanks a lot Arch. :'(
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Can we please turn every thread into a Michigan-Ohio State thread instead of a Texas-Ohio State thread? Thanks in advance... :03:
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Boomer Sooner!
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just hoping for no tie
one of them should field a loss
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not sure how much these fun little random factoids matter if at all (probably not at all) but Brent Venables is 4-6 vs ranked opponents at Oklahoma. Oklahoma has also won 20 straight non-conference home games.
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love it. hope this front 7 plays angry and violent. all game though....not just one half.
https://twitter.com/ByAZuniga/status/1963016862846906679
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He fucked shit up last week.
For real.
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He fucked shit up last week.
For real.
was a bullshit call.
kid is a brick shithouse at 6'3-6'4 245ish. violent defender with elite burst in a straight line and is a ferocious hitter. not his fault NM QB is a 5 foot 9 midget.
bullshit call.
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Looked legit to me.
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Looked legit to me.
then you don't know what you are looking at. was never called targeting on the field, the play was reviewed to see if it was a fumble- it was called a fumble returned for TD on the field- but the midget QBs midget ass actually hit the turf before ball came out. And viola- refs magically call targeting on a review for a fumble and pull that shit out of their retarded assholes.
Barhman never lowered his head to try and spear the guy in the head. his head was up, it was a clean football play- he whipped the tackles ass and planted the little bitch midget QB. it was awesome. any helmet contact was incidental and not intentional- and it was minimal at best on the play. either put flags and diapers and binkies on the QBs or let them actually get hit and stop turning this sport into a game for fucking pussies. it's a violent barbaric game. keep it that way.
https://twitter.com/BrandonKoretz/status/1961971983530209463
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This from Pete Fiutak CFB News - aka 847 Badgerfan
Oklahoma At Home Will Mean Everything
It won’t exactly have the same nuclear energy burst like Florida State showed in its win over Alabama, or what Miami was like in the big victory over Notre Dame, but after two losing seasons in three years, this is a program and a fan base about to burst.
America, Meet Oklahoma Sooners Quarterback John Mateer
He was arguably the best player in the transfer portal this offseason. He can run, make big plays down the field, and he showed it all off in the 35-3 win over Illinois State in the opener.
It was Week 1, so things weren’t always smooth, but Mateer came up big, hitting 30-of-37 passes for 392 yards and three scores, and he ran for a touchdown. Making life easier is a Sooner receiving corps with real, live wideouts who are healthy enough to play - that wasn’t the case last year.
Underwood will be great, but he’ll have a few freshman moments on the road to screw things up a bit. Both quarterbacks will be good, but both defenses will be better. Oklahoma’s defense will look and play like a Brent Venables defense that was waiting for this.
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41152488/what-targeting-ncaa-rule-college-football
How does the NCAA define a 'defenseless' player?
The NCAA defines a defenseless player as follows:
- A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass, and that includes "an offensive player in a passing posture with a focus downfield"
Ok, so the QB was considered "defenseless".
Officials use instant replay to determine whether the targeting call on the field was correct. Officials look to see:
- If the player leaves their feet to launch themselves at an opponent
- If the player crouches before making a tackle to create maximum force
- If the player leads with their helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact the head or neck area of an opposing player
- If the player lowers their head before making a tackle and makes forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
A replay must confirm targeting. A targeting call is upheld if a player leads with the crown of their helmet regardless if a player is defenseless.
And the player led with his helmet (not the crown). You can see him drop his head as he makes the tackle. The first contact between the players was helmet to helmet contact.
So two factors must be present if the crown of the helmet is not involved as it wasn't here; defenseless player and attack with forcible contact the head or neck.
Looks like targeting to me.
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41152488/what-targeting-ncaa-rule-college-football
Ok, so the QB was considered "defenseless".
And the player led with his helmet (not the crown). You can see him drop his head as he makes the tackle. The first contact between the players was helmet to helmet contact.
So two factors must be present if the crown of the helmet is not involved as it wasn't here; defenseless player and attack with forcible contact the head or neck.
Looks like targeting to me.
Nah. You just don't know what you're looking at...
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He went facemask to facemask which is helmet to helmet. It's going to get called every time, at least when it comes to a defender attacking a quarterback in drop-back posture.
Is it annoying that a penalty not called on the field, can be originated by a replay? Yeah, sure. Is it for the safety of the players? Also, yes.
But this one is still tough for me-- if the defender drops his body to bring his helmet down toward the QB's chest, then two problems can arise-- first, simple physics dictate that the defender's head is still likely to slide up the QB's body as the QB falls backward, and head to head contact will almost inevitably still be made. This is something we see often, and we see it called targeting often. Second, the defender really has no choice but to take his eyes off the ball, and will lose his chance at recovering a fumble, deflecting a pass, or any of the other stuff he's supposed to do.
So effectively what the rules are legislating, is that a defender probably can't sack a QB in this type of scenario, without drawing a penalty and/or losing track of the ball.
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41152488/what-targeting-ncaa-rule-college-football
Ok, so the QB was considered "defenseless".
And the player led with his helmet (not the crown). You can see him drop his head as he makes the tackle. The first contact between the players was helmet to helmet contact.
So two factors must be present if the crown of the helmet is not involved as it wasn't here; defenseless player and attack with forcible contact the head or neck.
Looks like targeting to me.
Buckeye friend of mine said it best yesterday. According to specifically how the rule is written and in place, it was targeting. That being said, the tackle is a perfect example of why the rule needs to be fixed because that tackle should not be targeting.
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Can we please turn every thread into a Michigan-Ohio State thread instead of a Texas-Ohio State thread? Thanks in advance... :03:
We could but FF and 847 keep pointing out Texas had to up and leave a once great conference - Bastages :043:
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aka 847 Badgerfan
lol. Made me laugh.
That being said, the breakdown seems pretty spot on. All I heard offseason was how great Michigan's defense was going to be even though they lost some top shelf talent, they would be deeper this year. Maybe it was the comparison between watching OSU's defense and Michigan's, but I think the Michigan defense has some issues. The defensive line got pushed around a little bit by New Mexico. Talk about all their transfers and whatnot, but it's still New Mexico and they were well blocked quite a few times that was a little disheartening.
I think Underwood is the real deal. He's going to make some plays, but the WR core is still lacking top level talent. That being said, the Michigan running game looks unreal. I don't think it will be enough to compensate for the defensive holes and it's only 1 game, but some of those holes are going to get further exposed this week. Offense keeps it within 10, but this smells like Oklahoma win.
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it's a retarded rule and needs to be done away with.
Barham got in trouble for the crime of being 6'3"+ and tackling a QB who is a lot smaller than he is.
https://twitter.com/PatrickBattle18/status/1961992336927334911
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it's pretty simple, no contact above the shoulder pads
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it's a retarded rule and needs to be done away with.
Barham got in trouble for the crime of being 6'3"+ and tackling a QB who is a lot smaller than he is.
bend your back, get your pad level down
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love it. hope this front 7 plays angry and violent. all game though....not just one half.
"Michigan edge rusher TJ Guy says LB Jaishawn Barham will return in the second half against Oklahoma and “fuck shit up, for real.”
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Spoken like a true Student-Athlete attending Ann Arbor Community College
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"I'd like to know who the Head of Admissions in that Den of Dimwits so I can put my foot in his ass"
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it's a retarded rule and needs to be done away with.
Barham got in trouble for the crime of being 6'3"+ and tackling a QB who is a lot smaller than he is.
https://twitter.com/PatrickBattle18/status/1961992336927334911
Apparently my definitely of "launch" is different. Definitely contact up high and as someone that has titanium screws in his dome, I fully understand protecting of the head, but this is not what "targeting" should be protecting against. Just a good football tackle.. unless this is flag football.
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it's a retarded rule and needs to be done away with.
Barham got in trouble for the crime of being 6'3"+ and tackling a QB who is a lot smaller than he is.
https://twitter.com/PatrickBattle18/status/1961992336927334911
That's an even better view showing exactly why it IS targeting than the last twitter post you showed.
"Leading with the helmet", "forcible contact to the head and neck area" are both 100% satisfied there. And the categorization of a QB in that position as a "defenseless player" negates any need for the crown of the helmet to be involved.
Textbook.
I realize Michigan fans don't believe rules apply to them, or believe that when they've flagrantly violated a rule that it's a bad rule and it's the rule's fault... And that even when they do violate the rules they should never, EVER, be punished for it.
But that's targeting.
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it's a retarded rule and needs to be done away with.
Barham got in trouble for the crime of being 6'3"+ and tackling a QB who is a lot smaller than he is.
https://twitter.com/PatrickBattle18/status/1961992336927334911
This is a stupid tweet. The rule clearly and explicitly does not require launch, or leading with the crown of the helmet. Those are two potential issues, but not the only two. As written, and as the rule has been called for years, that was targeting.
I do agree that the rule itself probably should not apply in many instances like this, but not I'm not sure how to legislate that into the game without making it even more subjective and confusing.
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I was shocked when no official called it on the field.
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"Michigan edge rusher TJ Guy says LB Jaishawn Barham will return in the second half against Oklahoma and “fuck shit up, for real.”
Spoken like a true Student-Athlete attending Ann Arbor Community College
"I'd like to know who the Head of Admissions in that Den of Dimwits so I can put my foot in his ass"
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you're above a low brow post. Unless you want to discuss the tone set further down 71 how players aren't there to play school?
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I realize Michigan fans don't believe rules apply to them, or believe that when they've flagrantly violated a rule that it's a bad rule and it's the rule's fault... And that even when they do violate the rules they should never, EVER, be punished for it.
Your posts are good most of the time. Then you post something stupid like this.
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He went facemask to facemask which is helmet to helmet. It's going to get called every time, at least when it comes to a defender attacking a quarterback in drop-back posture.
Buckeye friend of mine said it best yesterday. According to specifically how the rule is written and in place, it was targeting. That being said, the tackle is a perfect example of why the rule needs to be fixed because that tackle should not be targeting.
Tough to call when bang-bang and depending which way players are twisting/turning,many times not the intent
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you're above a low brow post. Unless you want to discuss the tone set further down 7 how players aren't there to play school?
Not really that comment belongs to a michigan player that should show some class - providing he attends them. Collectively - across the board have to quit lowering the bar. He probably should sit another quarter after comments like that. I mean “fuck shit up, for real.” that's turning into Hurraganstas mind set right there
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Tough to call when bang-bang and depending which way players are twisting/turning,many times not the intent
Yeah I totally agree. And the problem is, intent is so hard to determine. It's totally subjective.
Sometimes we see a defender launch himself like a missile, leading with the helmet, and the intent is pretty obviously to cause serious destruction.
Sometimes the case is like this, where it seems like the intent is a just a good hard tackle, but he still initiated contact with his helmet, and hit the QB in the helmet.
The thing is, even in the latter case, serious injury can be caused to the QB, despite the intent probably being a clean hit.
Which is why it's against the rules.
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apparently, the call wasn't reversed by the Big Ten office after the appeal.
or have they not replied?
it was targeting
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This is a stupid tweet. The rule clearly and explicitly does not require launch, or leading with the crown of the helmet. Those are two potential issues, but not the only two. As written, and as the rule has been called for years, that was targeting.
I do agree that the rule itself probably should not apply in many instances like this, but not I'm not sure how to legislate that into the game without making it even more subjective and confusing.
it's a stupid tweet. and an even more stupid rule.
there should only be a rule against intentionally lowering the head and using the crown of a helmet as a weapon. that's it.
this is tackle fucking football. enough with turning it into a game for fucking pussies.
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Your posts are good most of the time. Then you post something stupid like this.
he's a Purdue fan. his team sucks royally and with the way the new system operates with NIL/portal, playoff, his team is going to probably suck for eternity now. let the poors take their shots at the rich. i don't mind it.
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it's a stupid tweet. and an even more stupid rule.
there should only be a rule against intentionally lowering the head and using the crown of a helmet as a weapon. that's it.
this is tackle fucking football. enough with turning it into a game for fucking pussies.
I don't agree with that. Plenty of damage can be done to a defenseless QB when you hit him in the head and neck area without lowering the head and using the crown.
In fact, the "crown of the helmet" rules were actually originally created to protect the defender from injuring his own neck and spinal cord. It didn't have anything to do with targeting a defenseless player.
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apparently, the call wasn't reversed by the Big Ten office after the appeal.
or have they not replied?
it was targeting
B1G agreed with Michigan. the B1G doesn't rule on the appeal. NCAA does. good luck with that lol.
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so, a Big Ten officiating crew won't be calling that targeting going forward or shouldn't?
I'm ok with that
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Generally, the visiting team brings its own officials.
There were MAC officials in Madison last week.
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The Barham targeting call was lame and the officiating was horrendous. Never saw so much blatant holding that was not called. Please tell me these were Mountain West refs. Read somewhere that they were Big Ten refs which I have a hard time believing. Believe me, you don't want that crew officiating your game.
Michigan's offense was ho hum against New Mexico, I'm thinking or hoping they were looking ahead to the Sooners. Michigan's offense didn't show much either. No QB runs, no counters, no deep shots, no trick plays such as a flee flicker.
I watched the highlights of the Oklahoma v. Illinois State game. There was no pass rush from Illinois St. on Mateer whatsoever. Oklahoma didn't rush for that many yards which some point to a a flaw but my thinking is that they didn't have to.
I'm thinking Michigan's defense shows up in Norman big time.
Michigan 31
Oklahoma 17
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The Barham targeting call was lame and the officiating was horrendous. Never saw so much blatant holding that was not called. Please tell me these were Mountain West refs. Read somewhere that they were Big Ten refs which I have a hard time believing. Believe me, you don't want that crew officiating your game.
Michigan's offense was ho hum against New Mexico, I'm thinking or hoping they were looking ahead to the Sooners. Michigan's offense didn't show much either. No QB runs, no counters, no deep shots, no trick plays such as a flee flicker.
I watched the highlights of the Oklahoma v. Illinois State game. There was no pass rush from Illinois St. on Mateer whatsoever. Oklahoma didn't rush for that many yards which some point to a a flaw but my thinking is that they didn't have to.
I'm thinking Michigan's defense shows up in Norman big time.
Michigan 31
Oklahoma 17
delete this now, please. you already fucked Michigan last week with that stupid Idaho thread. no need to tempt the internet message board troll gods again.
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Buckeye friend of mine said it best yesterday. According to specifically how the rule is written and in place, it was targeting. That being said, the tackle is a perfect example of why the rule needs to be fixed because that tackle should not be targeting.
This.
The rule as it is enforced leads to situations like this. Literally EVERY fanbase can cite at least one instance in which Targeting was called against their team that they don't think it should have and at least one instance where it didn't get called against an opponent where they think it should. Almost every Ohio State fan asked this question will IMMEDIATELY cite two big-stakes instances in CFP games.
To a certain extent that would be true regardless because fans are going to be fans and question an instance like this where by the letter of the rule it is pretty clearly targeting but still, this particular rule seems to cause a lot more issues than most.
The fix I would suggest is to require more of an egregious violation or more clear 'intent' in order to invoke the ejection. A fifteen yard penalty and automatic first down are one thing but tossing a kid for the rest of the half and the next half should, IMHO require either an egregious violation or some visible apparent 'intent'.
I also think that having a 15 yard version would help because as it stands the refs only have two choices:
- No penalty AT ALL, or
- A HUMONGOUS penalty of 15 yards, automatic first down, and ejection for the rest of the half and the next half.
I think that a middle ground of the penalty without the ejection would help.
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Dan Orlovsky breaks down Bryce Underwood. always find it a bit amusing that really crappy QBs wind up in the media breaking down QB play....
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1963265455180710274
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I realize Michigan fans don't believe rules apply to them, or believe that when they've flagrantly violated a rule that it's a bad rule and it's the rule's fault... And that even when they do violate the rules they should never, EVER, be punished for it.
For more than a century.
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I also think that having a 15 yard version would help because as it stands the refs only have two choices:
- No penalty AT ALL, or
- A HUMONGOUS penalty of 15 yards, automatic first down, and ejection for the rest of the half and the next half.
I think that a middle ground of the penalty without the ejection would help.
I completely agree with this. I hope a play like this creates the dialogue with decision makers to consider this. Could it be a 15 yard penalty because the tackle was high and had head impact? Yeah, that's fair. Was it so severe a player should be kicked out and miss the first half the following week? Man, not at all. I've seen some disgusting targeting hits where guys should be ejected and heavily penalized. This was nowhere near that. Should always project the well being of defenseless players, but not penalize players so severely for a quick bang bang play that wasn't poor decision making that could lead to injury.
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Dan Orlovsky breaks down Bryce Underwood. always find it a bit amusing that really crappy QBs wind up in the media breaking down QB play....
Eh, you don't have to be a great QB or for that matter even be a QB AT ALL to be able to identify and analyze QB play.
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he's a Purdue fan. his team sucks royally and with the way the new system operates with NIL/portal, playoff, his team is going to probably suck for eternity now. let the poors take their shots at the rich. i don't mind it.
Yeah, it's much nicer to be a fan of a team who is the beneficiary of structural inequalities to discourage parity based on a bunch of wins before you were born. Face it... Every fan of a team on the top ten all time wins list is basically a silver spoon Richie Rich MF'er.
One might say you helmet team fans were...
...born on third base.
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Yeah, it's much nicer to be a fan of a team who is the beneficiary of structural inequalities to discourage parity based on a bunch of wins before you were born.
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I expect Venables will have something dialed up for the young UM QB.
A close one either way. OK - 24 UM -- 20
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Yeah, it's much nicer to be a fan of a team who is the beneficiary of structural inequalities to discourage parity based on a bunch of wins before you were born. Face it... Every fan of a team on the top ten all time wins list is basically a silver spoon Richie Rich MF'er.
One might say you helmet team fans were...
...born on third base.
it's true.
that's why a CBA with a salary cap and real roster limits would be a great idea imo.
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first team to 20 wins
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For more than a century.
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it's true.
that's why a CBA with a salary cap and real roster limits would be a great idea imo.
Yep. It'll be nice for the 30 or so teams that are invited.
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Yep. It'll be nice for the 30 or so teams that are invited.
doesn't have to be 30. could be more.
have SEC & B1G (34 teams) breakaway from NCAA for football, merge and start a new league with a commissioner and ruling body and CBA, salary cap, contracts, roster limits- then swallow up ND and any other teams worth a shit in the B12 or ACC. could wind up with 42-48 schools and everyone else can kindly go fuck themselves and stay in the NCAA.
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Eh sounds pretty boring to me. Just another NFL but with less talented players. I like the variety in college football.
If a breakaway like that ever happened, I reckon I'd watch it about as often as I watch the NFL. Which is, not very often.
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Just another NFL but with less talented players.
What did the Browns ever do to you? And the NFL Thread is over there------------------------------->
Now back to Ohio St vs Texas,err Oklahoma vs Michigan
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@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) I think you can rest secure in the knowledge that Michigan vs. Ohio State is a much more likely way to derail a thread here than Texas vs. Ohio State.
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No shit, eh?
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Many threads here:
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@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) I think you can rest secure in the knowledge that Michigan vs. Ohio State is a much more likely way to derail a thread here than Texas vs. Ohio State.
This is still the Big Two and Little Eight/Ten/ Twelve/Fourteen/however the hell many are left Conference.
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My gut feeling is that Michigan blows Oklahoma out Saturday night in Norman with a freshman QB who just turned 18 and Venables is fired on Sunday. MDot feels the same way but doesn’t have the balls to admit it.
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Textbook obvious targeting.
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This is a football game thread.
Your rivalry/hate posts can go on the lenient wrist slap thread of hate.
Thank You For Your Support
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Many threads here:
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Is that the demise of SunDevil Froggy?
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This is a football game thread.
Your rivalry/hate posts can go on the lenient wrist slap thread of hate.
Thank You For Your Support
Yeah I was typing while you were moving and I couldn't move my partially completed post there so I figured I'd post it here and let you move it.
Now back to:
Boomer Sooner!
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I will say that if ever in your life you find yourself in the position of saying "boomer sooner" in anything other than a mocking way, it's time for you to seriously reconsider your life choices and start changing your ways.
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I will say that if ever in your life you find yourself in the position of saying "boomer sooner" in anything other than a mocking way, it's time for you to seriously reconsider your life choices and start changing your ways.
Boomer giant meteor?
I mean, it's only Norman.
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It's not like dropping a nuke.
That's a global extinction event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq3nWnTkFbk
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Good point. A very small meteor, properly targeted at the 50 yardline at kickoff, would suffice.
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Boomer giant meteor?
I mean, it's only Norman.
My 4th grade teacher said that Iowa didn't exist. It was on a map, but it was a non-entity. Iowa wasn't actually a thing. It was just something that people said existed but nobody ever went to verify.
That's pretty much the entire state of Oklahoma to me. Technically, I've been there... But for all I know it was really North Texas or West Arkansas or South Kansas. I'm not actually 100% sure it's a state; it might just be pretending.
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My 4th grade teacher said that Iowa didn't exist. It was on a map, but it was a non-entity. Iowa wasn't actually a thing. It was just something that people said existed but nobody ever went to verify.
That's pretty much the entire state of Oklahoma to me. Technically, I've been there... But for all I know it was really North Texas or West Arkansas or South Kansas. I'm not actually 100% sure it's a state; it might just be pretending.
Earlier on this site, I always ragged on Iowa for not touching a Great Lake, like all of the other Big1T1en schools did.
My solution was to create one, centered right about here:
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@utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) I think you can rest secure in the knowledge that Michigan vs. Ohio State is a much more likely way to derail a thread here than Texas vs. Ohio State.
Your use of italics reminds me of the court cases in the civics textbook we used last year.
Imagine a book of all of the rivalry shit-tossing. All of it. All of the pros for each school's side and all of the cons from their rivals, read like a court case.
That might sell.
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I will say that if ever in your life you find yourself in the position of saying "boomer sooner" in anything other than a mocking way, it's time for you to seriously reconsider your life choices and start changing your ways.
It was a harmless exclamation until Billy Sims? kept yelling it during Bradford's Heisman night. Good god. THAT'S what my mind says when I read "boomer Sooner" now and forever.
UGH.
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Oldie but a goodie.
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My gut feeling is that Michigan blows Oklahoma out Saturday night in Norman with a freshman QB who just turned 18 and Venables is fired on Sunday. MDot feels the same way but doesn’t have the balls to admit it.
nah. legit got a bad feeling about this one. think Bryce is an absolute unit who is going to be a true superstar- but kid just turned 18 years old like two weeks ago. this is his second college start- and his first road game ever. going on the road in a hostile environment for a night game vs a top notch OU defense is a really tough ask for anyone- let alone an 18 year old making his first road start. Venables may or may not get fired after this year and he may or may not be a shit head coach, jury is still out on that one- but one thing he is and has been for decades is a top tier DC. he'll have some stuff schemed up that will have Underwood confused. i can guarantee it.
I really wish I could delete all of your posts in here and ban you- because your bullshit is just tempting the internet message board troll gods and Michigan is going to lose for certain now because of it. damn you. bastage.
Michigan could win- but if they did it'd be a very close game not a blow out- and it'd be because OU o-line issues remerge and they just cannot run the ball at all on Michigan's front 7 and Mateer gets no help and pressure is on him to be Heisman level special and play a pitch perfect game and he fails to do so and makes a couple mistakes.
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Eh sounds pretty boring to me. Just another NFL but with less talented players. I like the variety in college football.
If a breakaway like that ever happened, I reckon I'd watch it about as often as I watch the NFL. Which is, not very often.
not saying I disagree, but the sport is completely broken and the NIL/porthole genie is out of the bottle and it's never going back in.
only way I see to fix the broken sport and put the genie back in the bottle is what I suggested, unfortunately. I really don't see any other way to fix this wild wild west shit that is going on right now.
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one thing to note on John Mateer, while it's true he's a veteran senior QB, he's only started 13 games in his collegiate career including the one last week.
2 of those starts were vs FCS teams, 8 of those starts were vs Mountain West teams, and only 3 have been vs P4/formerly P5 teams: Texas Tech (B12), Washington (B1G), and Oregon State (Pac 2). He's never started a game vs a ranked opponent nor a top 25 total defense. Of the three starts he's had vs P4/P5 opponents- Texas Tech was the #126 total defense last year (there are only 133 teams), Oregon State was the 98th ranked total defense last year, and Washington was the #28th ranked total defense last year.
Mateer was 17 of 34 (50% completion) passing for 245 yards and 1 TD vs 1 INT in a close win vs Washington.
He was 9 of 19 (47% completion) passing for 115 yards and 1 TD vs 1 INT in a big win over Texas Tech. Not a great day passing but he did happen to torch them on the ground with 21 carries for 197 yards and 1 TD.
Last but not least he was 17 of 23 (73.9%) passing for 250 yards and 2 TD's with no interceptions in a loss to Oregon State. By far his best day stat wise passing- but in a losing effort.
I have no doubt he'll be playing with better talent at OU at WR and whatnot- but this is the first legit defense he's going up against in his entire career. Michigan was ranked in the top 10 in total defense last year, is returning a ton on defense and right now SP+ ranks them the 4th best defense in CFB. And OU right now might be having issues with RB/OL and run game- which doesn't bode well for helping a QB out- puts a lot of pressure on the QB to be flawless to win a game if the run is non-existent.
this game really is one of the most interesting matchups all year- lot of unknowns for both teams.
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My 4th grade teacher said that Iowa didn't exist.
Some poor dirt farmer probably left her at the alter and spent the money the parents had gifted on a Red Vette and set of Callaway's
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8 of those starts were vs Mountain West teams
You just can't get out of your own way,Michigan just munched on a Mountain West Team. But Underwood racks up stats vs one of them and everybody should sit up and take noticeM-kay, Mateer hasn't had an O-Line like the Weasels either,so Tamato/Tomato
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Oklahoma 24, Michigan 21
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Your use of italics reminds me of the court cases in the civics textbook we used last year.
Imagine a book of all of the rivalry shit-tossing. All of it. All of the pros for each school's side and all of the cons from their rivals, read like a court case.
That might sell.
I kind of love this idea. I was conscious of the italics issue when I wrote it because I use italics that way daily. On the other hand, I really intended it to emphasize, not to look like Univ. of Mich. v. The Ohio St. Univ., 35 CFB 3d. 427 (C.D. NCAA, Sept. 5, 2025).
It would be a ton of fun putting together a collection of trial briefs (and replies, just to give everyone a fair shake) trying to establish the righteousness of their side of the big college football rivalries.
NERDS!!!!
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You just can't get out of your own way,Michigan just munched on a Mountain West Team. But Underwood racks up stats vs one of them and everybody should sit up and take noticeM-kay, Mateer hasn't had an O-Line like the Weasels either,so Tamato/Tomato
hey genius, already talked about Underwood and what he's facing and how this is his first real test. Underwood didn't really rack up stats- he was just efficient, composed, didn't make mistakes and ran the offense and had handful of very impressive high level throws.
now I'm talking about Mateer- who if you remove his FCS game last year at Wash St he threw for 24 TD's vs 7 INT's and had 2 fumbles in 11 starts- 8 vs Mountain West opponents and 3 vs P4 opponents. Mateer is a veteran QB but he hasn't started that many games for a senior- and he's only started against three P4 level opponents in his entire career.
And Mateer won't have an O-Line like "the Weasels" this year either- OU has had serious issues on the OL the past couple years and they reared their head vs a bad FCS team. Could the OU o-line rebound in a huge way week 2- it's possible- but they will be playing 2 true freshman on the OL this Saturday- and I don't know about you but I never feel comfortable if my team is starting true freshman at QB, OL, or DT. QB because the inexperience factor- and OL and DT because well those are the grown ass man positions- and 18 year old right out of HS true freshman OL & DL are 99.9% of the time just not physically equipped to take on JR and SR guys in the trenches who have been in college S&C programs for 3-4 years.
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Oklahoma 24, Michigan 21
this is my general thought as well. think it's low scoring and close- and OU pulls it out at home with the veteran QB by 3-4 points- something like this.
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Hard to figure out what Oklahoma is under Venables. I guess also hard to know what Michigan is under Moore. Not sure any result would surprise me much.
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Hard to figure out what Oklahoma is under Venables. I guess also hard to know what Michigan is under Moore. Not sure any result would surprise me much.
yeah, agree there is a lot of ways this game could go. and both coaches do have a lot to prove, but I'd say Venables moreso. He's been there 3 full seasons and in 2 of his 3 seasons OU was sub .500. They were 6-7 last year in Year 3- and well OU faithful isn't used to that and won't tolerate much more of that.
Sherrone just flat out did not have a QB last year on the roster that was startable. The QB situation was that bad. Davis Warren and Alex Orji were really that bad. And to pull off a road win in Columbus and beat Jalen Milroe and Bama in the bowl to close out the season was a big-time finish- and honestly still can't believe that it happened.
Sherrone went 8-5 last year in his first season and that was literally without a QB on the roster. The Texas and Oregon losses were very bad- they were really never in the games. But they were right there in the other 3 losses they had last year on the road @Washington, @Illinois, and @Indiana- if they had any QB play at all they might've won those games and been 10-2 and in the playoff in Moore's first year- like if Michigan had offered Cam Ward $4-5 million in the porthole last off-season and he was there QB that's probably a 10-2 team that's in the playoffs.
So while I do think both have a lot to prove- Moore has little bit more runway/leash- especially with breaking in a true frosh all-everything #1 overall player QB in Underwood.
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Oklahoma has a couple players returning from injury, freshman LT Fasusi and RT Simmons.
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hey genius, already talked about Underwood and what he's facing and how this is his first real test. Underwood didn't really rack up stats- he was just efficient, composed, didn't make mistakes and ran the offense and had handful of very impressive high level throws.
Hey genuis stay in your lane - you had to blurt out "8 of those starts were vs Mountain West teams" ignoring your boys didn't exactly steam roll one of them. Glad we got that straightened out.
BOOMER SOONER