What a joke.If this is considered enforcement there is no point in having an NCAA nor rules at all.
LMAOThey literally committed the most flagrant violation of the integrity of the game in the modern history of College Football, got a slap on the wrist for it, and have the audacity to appeal.
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1956447840298733728 (https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1956447840298733728)
Do we need yet another thread for this?O.D.D. Is a real thing
Do we need yet another thread for this?No, no we don't.
They're going to appeal being let off with a warning for speeding.This is exactly the message the NCAA sent: Cheating pays off. They've made chumps out of all the respectable schools that at least pretend to follow the rules.
So six level 1 offenses = $30 million
I'm pretty sure a near-elite program could make the case that it's financially prudent to commit 2-3 such offenses to get over the hump.
It's actually a fucking bargain!
unfortunately, neither did ICMU, EMU and WMU better duck.
the Cincy Bearcats would have been buried
CMU, EMU and WMU better duck.CMU is actually complicit, so they are particularly screwed
LMAOAt this point you couldn't write a movie script this absurd. Won't be long before the NCAA apologizes and cancels the fines
Dan Wetzel
@DanWetzel
Michigan announces it will appeal the NCAA Committee on Infractions ruling and will “consider all other options”
CMU, EMU and WMU better duck."The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they're going to give Cleveland State another year of probation." Jerry Tarkanian
No, no we don't.hey I’m enjoying the buckeye meltdowns. I say as many of these threads as they want to pump out is a-ok. :)
I love the smell of butthurt in the morning.It is kinda funny.
LMAO @ all the bucknutjobs like that loser Brohio wearing full on face masks from the Stallions documentary who were saying for years Michigan is getting the hammer….death penalty incoming!
Michigan has broken the entire Ohio State fan base. It’s glorious.
I mean Michigan could have told MSU what THEY were going to run, and won by 30, so I dont put much stock thereBut that’s the point. 2023 Michigan was load and NFL scouts and rosters would agree.
The most comical irony from my seat is how so many people are complaining about how the NCAA got the punishment so wrong, yet are dead set on believing all of their investigation and statements are without flaw. On one side they’re idiots and on the other they are spot on with all their accusations.It's tough knowing that had this been Wisconsin, they'd be looking at not only the fines, but vacated wins and bowl bans.
And many seem to need the reminder that after the original accusations, under the microscope, Michigan still beat MSU, Purdue, Penn State, Maryland, OSU, Iowa, Alabama and Washington. Every one of those teams had the opportunity to prove that cheating was the reason for Michigan’s earlier wins.
But that’s the point. 2023 Michigan was load and NFL scouts and rosters would agree.They proved they were the best team.
It's tough knowing that had this been Wisconsin, they'd be looking at not only the fines, but vacated wins and bowl bans.Exactly this. Wisconsin would have been (and has been) hit much harder. That’s where my big complaint lies.
Exactly this. Wisconsin would have been (and has been) hit much harder. That’s where my big complaint lies.The money should come out of their revenue sharing pool. Stephen Ross can cut a check to cover it, but they wouldn't be able to pay the players.
i don’t think the money is nothing, but this is still ridiculous compared to the penalties other programs get for lesser offenses.
It is kinda funny.I do think that's why Michigan is appealing. The penalty is nothing. But the pretending like they are "above this" is gone. Every quote Harbaugh gave is complete BS. Leaders and Best? BS. That's fine. You won. Auburn also won a national title. UNLV basketball and SMU football were amazing for a minute. Michigan won a title, it's never going away. But their best period of baseball ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach fired. Their best period of basketball ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach fired. Their best period of football ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach banned for 14 years. They win a lot, but they also have to be ok with that being their legacy. A lot of OSU/MSU fans are butthurt the penalties weren't more tangible. And a lot of UM fans are butthurt that this is their new legacy.
But the way I look it, Ohio State broke UM. They used to be respected but as Hairball said, we are going to win that game or die trying. Now, it’s been proven. What they discovered was a comprehensive, well organized, well funded years long practice of completely illegal advanced scouting. Everything those “ bucknutjobs” said UM did, was spot on. Including the cover up, destruction of evidence, obstruction of the investigation, and a general culture of non compliance. They nailed all that. And even though the show cause for Harbaugh is not hurting UM- a 10 year shows you just what a sleazebag the NCAA found him to be.
The only thing those “nut jobs” got wrong was the penalty. But the entire sports world, outside of Michigan fans, agrees the penalties are far too light for the first and only in game cheating in CFB.
The financial penalties are stiff- precedent setting- so there is that.
So you can enjoy that they got away with it and enjoy the fact that all the other teams and fan bases don’t agree. If that’s your view of the world. You can guess what it does to your credibility.
I am just glad the drama is over.
CMU is actually complicit, so they are particularly screwed
They proved they were the best team.it is relevant due to much of the commentary coming from Columbus fans, claiming they only won a championship because of it.
But that is completely irrelevant to the intentional cheating and cover up.
Well, it's done, unless the appeal makes it even slighter. I really don't even care any more about such things. I'm still watching on Fall Saturdays, at least for now. As many of us have said, that is starting to be a question for us, and we can see a future date where we maybe watch only our team, and then not even that.This is a pretty good summation where a lot of us are at I believe. What was a life passion 15 years ago has lessened due to how the game and the world has changed. Sundays I barely turn on an NfL game spent solely on the family. Saturdays are about the college game as long as the family is a part of it and if not, it takes a back burner.
If it's a nice day now and my wife wants to drive somewhere on a Saturday, I'll probably go, maybe check the score on the phone ... or not.
It's entertainment, if it's not ...
Jaded.
it is relevant due to much of the commentary coming from Columbus fans, claiming they only won a championship because of it.Yeah- I don’t buy that they “only” won because they cheated.
I do understand your point, but let’s also not act like no one else worked on stealing signs. It has been common. Stallions just took it to an advanced level.
But that’s the point. 2023 Michigan was load and NFL scouts and rosters would agree.Jeebis c,mon mario that senior class starting with JJ and Corum have been a steaming pile look up their stats
Well, it's done, unless the appeal makes it even slighter. I really don't even care any more about such things. I'm still watching on Fall Saturdays, at least for now. As many of us have said, that is starting to be a question for us, and we can see a future date where we maybe watch only our team, and then not even that.I’m hardly annoyed, we've been seeing/saying this for a while now that CFB is fading from what it once was. Going pay for play, NIL, unlimited portal transfers started it down that road in a major way. Now with this ruling - the integrity of the game itself was egregiously flaunted and the governing body just shrugs its wretched shoulders. When you can't even be confident that the game results are above board, where the hell do you go from here?
Jeebis c,mon mario that senior class starting with JJ and Corum have been a steaming pile look up their statsYou’re seriously basing that argument off year 1 in the NFL as rookies? Which you listed JJ who was hurt? If in year 5 it’s a similar reflection, your argument will have merit.
I went to Sporting News(https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/michigan-players-drafted-2024-nfl-draft-jj-mccarthy-corum/dd8ceec9eea205f378110acd) and reviewed all of M's list of NFL Draftees following their "Legendary Season". I used Pro Football Reference for stats, these Picks were either out for the season,inactive or were buffing the bench with their backsides.The Blue Wall deluded their disciples into thinking this legendary draft would rival Lombardi's Packers,Noll's Steelers,'73 Dolphins or the '85 Bears. They must be swilling cannabis infused beverages and playing with Quija Boards if they really believe that
For instance Mr LLC himself- Blake Crum,err Corum had a robust 207 yds on the season,Mike Sainristil safety for Washington shows some promise as he showed up for all 16 games and looks like a keeper.AJ Barner, TE for Seattle had 245 yds receiving,congratulations AJ you were the 2nd most productive one. Trevor Keegan played in one game for the Eagles but got a ring,Congats Trevor. But for the rest Great Googly Moogly I honestly was shocked,2 of the draftees had no stats posted at all, 3 off them had o-o-o-o-o across the stat sheet - I'm serious . Search for your self but you'll spend more time compiling the list than those undefeated hackers saw playing time. 😎
I do think that's why Michigan is appealing. The penalty is nothing. But the pretending like they are "above this" is gone. Every quote Harbaugh gave is complete BS. Leaders and Best? BS. That's fine. You won. Auburn also won a national title. UNLV basketball and SMU football were amazing for a minute. Michigan won a title, it's never going away. But their best period of baseball ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach fired. Their best period of basketball ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach fired. Their best period of football ended in a cheating scandal that got their coach banned for 14 years. They win a lot, but they also have to be ok with that being their legacy. A lot of OSU/MSU fans are butthurt the penalties weren't more tangible. And a lot of UM fans are butthurt that this is their new legacy.Lock the Thread
You’re seriously basing that argument off year 1 in the NFL as rookies? Which you listed JJ who was hurt? If in year 5 it’s a similar reflection, your argument will have merit.Tough your shills made them out like they were Saban's Tide.If they had banner campaigns M fans would be pointing it out aud nauseam.Looks much better when you you have knowledge of what the opponent was running. NFL scouts were duped. Four coaches were fired in 2023 and Booger was suspended twice and asked for contractual protection .Doesn't sound like Pop Warner/CYO stuff to me
It is kinda funny.I’m glad it’s over as well.
But the way I look it, Ohio State broke UM. They used to be respected but as Hairball said, we are going to win that game or die trying. Now, it’s been proven. What they discovered was a comprehensive, well organized, well funded years long practice of completely illegal advanced scouting. Everything those “ bucknutjobs” said UM did, was spot on. Including the cover up, destruction of evidence, obstruction of the investigation, and a general culture of non compliance. They nailed all that. And even though the show cause for Harbaugh is not hurting UM- a 10 year shows you just what a sleazebag the NCAA found him to be.
The only thing those “nut jobs” got wrong was the penalty. But the entire sports world, outside of Michigan fans, agrees the penalties are far too light for the first and only in game cheating in CFB.
The financial penalties are stiff- precedent setting- so there is that.
So you can enjoy that they got away with it and enjoy the fact that all the other teams and fan bases don’t agree. If that’s your view of the world. You can guess what it does to your credibility.
I am just glad the drama is over.
Tough your shills made them out like they were Saban's Tide.If they had banner campaigns M fans would be pointing it out aud nauseam.Looks much better when you you have knowledge of what the opponent was running. NFL scouts were duped. Four coaches were fired in 2023 and Booger was suspended twice and asked for contractual protection .Doesn't sound like Pop Warner/CYO stuff to meI’ll drop you off a Mason Graham Browns jersey. I guess NFL scouts were duped like vegas was duped last year when the Buckeyes were a 23.5 point favorite.
Ohio State has to go to Ann Arbor in Nov, and if Day drops 5 in a row to Michigan the fans are going to be out for blood- even though the guy has an insane record, just won a natty, and Ohio State in all likelyhood is going to be a 11-1 or 10-2 playoff team even if they lose to Michigan.If Day drops his 5th in a row,then we'll invoke the Booger clause - cut his pay in half and start cheating like hell.And fer god sakes don't cooperate - actually looking forward to it 🥳
Well Mario,1st I'll wear it but that's '24s team not the '23 squad,apples/oranges.When 2 supposed Gurus - Day/Kelly kept running up the gut against Ms one proven strong spot DT(instead of speading it around) everyone in the Pub was screaming at the tube.Even though Howard had a huge knot on his hand in the 1st half. He still had a nice drive before the half that tied it up with a TD toss to Smith. Then they target Smith once in the 2nd half :017:. I wasn't the only one that noticedAre you messing with me? Graham was on the ‘23 and ‘24 team. I actually think your argument furthers the point. The talent was ridiculously stacked on the 23 team that you can’t just look at year 1 of the NFL because there was also a ton of talent that contributed to the ‘23 title that didn’t hit the NFL until this year. Graham, Loveland, Grant, Will Johnson. First three were taken in the first 13 picks.
Are you messing with me? Graham was on the ‘23 and ‘24 team. I actually think your argument furthers the point. The talent was ridiculously stacked on the 23 team that you can’t just look at year 1 of the NFL because there was also a ton of talent that contributed to the ‘23 title that didn’t hit the NFL until this year. Graham, Loveland, Grant, Will Johnson. First three were taken in the first 13 picks.Really the stats don't lie,screaming they went to M doesn't make the NFL stand up and take notice. That '23 senior class haven't impressed,much cage rattling that they indeed knew the opponents plays because teams spent some good choices with little so far to show.Better pick up their game this season - NFL has players have short shelf lives and one season is already on the books. Lets look at Johnson last yr. 12 solo tackles,14 combined 2 picks in 6 games,meh,¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. sat 7 games because of a hammy? Pretty sure it doesn't get any easier on Sundays
The man who chucked his cell phone into a pond to throw them off the trail is firing backYou cantell he's lying when he moves his lips.Remember how they didn't do it?Then they did but it didn't make a difference, then it was well everyone does it.Even Portnoy on the netflix docu said Connor admitted it was him on the side line @ CMU
Say what you will about Stallions and Harbaugh, but there was always an element of Harbaugh fighting for players to get paid and putting a target on his back. Tough to argue the depth of this statement by Stallions attorney:Harbaugh stated in an interview in 2016 - '17 that players shouldn't get paid.When you factor in the cost of a 4 yr schollie he may have had a pointa lot of coaches thought the free ride was enough.Gatorama said years ago "most of these Div.1 Kids belonged in remedial school & not on a University Campus
The NCAA claims to be about protecting amateurism in college sports. It does not. The halls of the NCAA headquarters are lined with millions-of-dollars' worth of art paid for on the backs of superstars like Johnny Manziel, Reggie Bush, and the thousands of student athletes who worked for free while the NCAA and its member institutions profited billions.
You cantell he's lying when he moves his lips.Remember how they didn't do it?Then they did but it didn't make a difference, then it was well everyone does it.Even Portnoy on the netflix docu said Connor admitted it was him on the side line @ CMUNixon was brought down by smarter patsies than Stallions and Portnoy. It happens
The most comical irony from my seat is how so many people are complaining about how the NCAA got the punishment so wrong, yet are dead set on believing all of their investigation and statements are without flaw. On one side they’re idiots and on the other they are spot on with all their accusations.Nice try but no, they couldn't have f'd up the investigation. Maybe a few delusional Michigan fans are still arguing it, but there was overwhelming evidence that Michigan cheated. This is not in doubt because we literally have the receipts.
And many seem to need the reminder that after the original accusations, under the microscope, Michigan still beat MSU, Purdue, Penn State, Maryland, OSU, Iowa, Alabama and Washington. Every one of those teams had the opportunity to prove that cheating was the reason for Michigan’s earlier wins.
| Site | First Meeting | Last Meeting | Games | Win % | Wins | Losses | Ties | Average Score | |
| Any | 2001 | 2019 | 19 | 0.105 | 2 | 17 | 22.53 | 33.89 | |
| Home | 2001 | 2019 | 10 | 0.200 | 2 | 8 | 23.00 | 31.20 | |
| Away | 2002 | 2018 | 9 | 0.000 | 0 | 9 | 22.00 | 36.89 | |
| Neutral |
| Date | Opponent (record) | Result | Score | Site | |
| 11/30/2019 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2019) (13-1) | L | 27 | 56 |
| 11/24/2018 | @ | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2018) (13-1) | L | 39 | 62 |
| 11/25/2017 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2017) (12-2) | L | 20 | 31 |
| 11/26/2016 | @ | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2016) (11-2) | L | 27 | 30 |
| 11/28/2015 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2015) (12-1) | L | 13 | 42 |
| 11/29/2014 | @ | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2014) (14-1) | L | 28 | 42 |
| 11/30/2013 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2013) (12-2) | L | 41 | 42 |
| 11/24/2012 | @ | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2012) (12-0) | L | 21 | 26 |
| 11/26/2011 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2011) (6-7) | W | 40 | 34 |
| 11/27/2010 | @ | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2010) (12-1) | L | 7 | 37 |
| 11/21/2009 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2009) (11-2) | L | 10 | 21 |
| 11/22/2008 | @ | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2008) (10-3) | L | 7 | 42 |
| 11/17/2007 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2007) (11-2) | L | 3 | 14 |
| 11/18/2006 | @ | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2006) (12-1) | L | 39 | 42 |
| 11/19/2005 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2005) (10-2) | L | 21 | 25 |
| 11/20/2004 | @ | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2004) (8-4) | L | 21 | 37 |
| 11/22/2003 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2003) (11-2) | W | 35 | 21 |
| 11/23/2002 | @ | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2002) (14-0) | L | 9 | 14 |
| 11/24/2001 | vs. | *Ohio State (http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/OhioState.htm#2001) (7-5) | L | 20 | 26 |
I love the smell of butthurt in the morning.Nice try but no.
LMAO @ all the bucknutjobs like that loser Brohio wearing full on face masks from the Stallions documentary who were saying for years Michigan is getting the hammer….death penalty incoming!
Michigan has broken the entire Ohio State fan base. It’s glorious.
Nice try but no.how's this for integrity....go fuck yourself you little sniveling crying pussy. :)
Look at this thread and what is referenced within it. I didn't even notice a single exception. Badgers, Volunteers, Dawgs, Gators, EVERYONE things Michigan got away with murder here.
It isn't just Ohio State fans, it is anyone who respects integrity.
how's this for integrity....go fuck yourself you little sniveling crying pussy. :)Hey, if you are ok with cheating fine but the group here isn't.
Hey, if you are ok with cheating fine but the group here isn't.shit in one hand, wish in the other....or hey take it up with the NCAA....you self-righteous sanctimonious holier art thou crying little doucher.
I've soft-pedaled this BECAUSE it is my school's rival. If this had been some other dirtbag school like Auburn or SMU I'd have been calling for the death penalty.
Your dirtbag school has won one legitimate NC in 80 years.
Your post is inappropriate and you should be permanently banned.
The NCAA's ruling is thin on facts.LoL
PortnoyFIFYseemsis a real dick.
So why doesn't the rest of the BIG's A.D.'s just drop out of the NCAA? Just F'em it is so abundantly clear that Michigan intentionally orchestrated this far-reaching scheme for the purpose of gaining a competitive advantage. Create a new governing body that is balanced and trustworthy or at the very least put the NCAA and their rubes in rear view mirror and just lawyer up.Don't really want to go down that road but this recent limp dick approach should usher in a new sheriff in townask Ohio State's spineless AD
how's this for integrity....go fuck yourself you little sniveling crying pussy. :)Knock this off, bud. There is no need for this kind of language or sentiment on this board.
Knock this off, bud. There is no need for this kind of language or sentiment on this board.He's a Michigan fan, all you can do is talk sternly to him.
ask Ohio State's spineless ADYou're not really this thick are you? This conference lined your refugee pockets handsomely - remember that's why Dr Tom & UNL cut ties and came calling for greener pastures in the 1st place. Now a Budweiser laden poor dirt farmer think's it's a bad idea? :-[ .
why don't the rest of the BIG's ADs just drop out of the conference?
5* #1 RB in the country and top 10 player overall in the nation Savion Hiter commits to Michigan over Ohio State.Wasn’t this recruit really a UM v Tennessee battle?
Gotta love it. Bucknuts taking nothing but L’s to Michigan on the field, in NCAA rulings, and on the ‘crootin trail. No wonder why they whine and cry like women when it comes to all things Michigan. :)
5* #1 RB in the country and top 10 player overall in the nation Savion Hiter commits to Michigan over Ohio State.Hitler and Michigan are meant for each other
Gotta love it. Bucknuts taking nothing but L’s to Michigan on the field, in NCAA rulings, and on the ‘crootin trail. No wonder why they whine and cry like women when it comes to all things Michigan. :)
As often noted here, the NCAA is the member schools, and their primary interest these days is $$$$$$$$$$$$.Serious question: is the NCAA now getting football revenue? 20 years ago it didn't--that all went to the conferences, teams, and bowl committees. Does the CFB championship money go to the NCAA? I would think it still goes to the conferences/teams, otherwise why would the conferences have agreed to it?
Hitler and Michigan are meant for each otherDonovan Edwards moved on, natural to backfill with another Holocaust denier
I think the Big Ten conference should police it's own. Why push the dirty work off on the NCAA?Bug Eater WTH do you think is the NCAA's job in the 1st place??? It's not Dirty work they have been paid abundantly to regulate infractions to begin with.They have failed thus eliminating them will allow the "Big Ten conference to police it's own". Now do you get it?
the Big Ten conference is obviously allowing cheating against it's own members
Serious question: is the NCAA now getting football revenue? 20 years ago it didn't--that all went to the conferences, teams, and bowl committees. Does the CFB championship money go to the NCAA? I would think it still goes to the conferences/teams, otherwise why would the conferences have agreed to it?No it is still the same-- football is not included, for FBS/D-1A.
Back then the NCAA brought in a lot of TV revenue, but it was (nearly) all on basketball. Has that changed to include football?
(FWIW, Google AI doesn't think this has changed from the regime I knew.)
Bug Eater WTH do you think is the NCAA's job in the 1st place??? It's not Dirty work they have been paid abundantly to regulate infractions to begin with.They have failed thus eliminating them will allow the "Big Ten conference should police it's own". Now do you get it?
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Donovan Edwards moved onMuch to Walter Payton & Barry Sanders chagrin.
If you want serious enforcement, then I can understand Fearless' appeal to have the conference do it rather than the NCAA.Sheesh,that's been exactly my point but the boils that are the NCAA must be lanced 1st.They have to be jettisoned before the Conference can act on its own & the best interests of everybody with in it.Dealing with the NCAA is like picking a turd up by the clean end - it' can't be done
Bob Stoops Weighs In On Michigan's WEAK PunishmentThis, Pate, etc. Just more examples. The divide here isn't tOSU vs everyone else it is everyone who thinks integrity vs the Michigan "men".
https://youtu.be/2zZBITbKWiE?t=1667
But because the conference controls the distribution of hundreds of millions of dollars to its member schools, it has much stronger capability to compel compliance.As well as a much stronger conflict of interest to not upset the cash cow programs.
As well as a much stronger conflict of interest to not upset the cash cow programs.True enough.
5* #1 RB in the country and top 10 player overall in the nation Savion Hiter commits to Michigan over Ohio State.He obviously isn't going there for an education or the two whole NC's M has supposedly racked up since WWII. You're bagmen are the best in the business maybe behind Texas,however Ms lack of scruples takes a backseat to nobody. Anyway have fun maybe you,Portnoy,Ellison,etc; can greet & entertain him with some home movies from Matt Weiss
As well as a much stronger conflict of interest to not upset the cash cow programs.I believe that this is the heart of the matter. Money talks and the conference doesn't want to do anything to rock that boat.
True enough.You get a Yuengling Junior,now explain that to the mad duffer
I'm not saying it would work any better, I'm just saying I understand the appeal to try something different, to try something other than the thing that we already know doesn't work and hasn't worked for over half a century.
People are constantly lamenting how weak and toothless the NCAA is. And they're right.
If you want serious enforcement, then I can understand Fearless' appeal to have the conference do it rather than the NCAA. If your response to that is, "Well then, what the heck is the NCAA any good for?" well I think that's a fair question, and the answer is, not much.
But because the conference controls the distribution of hundreds of millions of dollars to its member schools, it has much stronger capability to compel compliance.
As well as a much stronger conflict of interest to not upset the cash cow programs.You are both correct. There also is a problem with conferences doing it because the SEC is going to look at Michigan getting away with murder and not want to penalize one of their members when the B1G didn't and that general concept will perpetually and go both ways. SEC fans will ALWAYS say that B1G teams do worse and B1G fans will ALWAYS say that SEC teams do worse.
You are both correct. There also is a problem with conferences doing it because the SEC is going to look at Michigan getting away with murder and not want to penalize one of their members when the B1G didn't and that general concept will perpetually and go both ways. SEC fans will ALWAYS say that B1G teams do worse and B1G fans will ALWAYS say that SEC teams do worse.
Now more than ever we need a competent and fast moving governing body to handle both player and program discipline.
Twice in the last ~15 years we've had to watch while the integrity of the game was directly assaulted when a school that literally everyone knew was cheating won the NC and the NCAA sat and did nothing. There will always be dirtbag programs like Auburn and Michigan and there will always be dirtbag coaches like Harbaugh but we need a governing body to keep them in check. The NCAA has clearly and obviously failed and is beneath worthless.
I included player discipline because in the NIL and portal era, schools are basically powerless to enforce discipline. I'm going to use Texas as the example but don't get upset @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) , it is just for illustrative purposes. Suppose that Manning does something REALLY bad off-campus. Suppose, for arguments sake that it is something that all of us agree he should be suspended for. Can Sark really suspend him? Realistically there are at least two problems that are new in the new era:The only workable solution to this is to take player discipline away from individual schools/coaches and put it in the hands of a competent governing body.
- If Sark suspends him, he can transfer and Texas might well end up playing against him and potentially losing to him later this season.
- Texas' boosters spent a LOT of cash to get Manning to be a Longhorn. Those boosters also effectively pay Sark's salary. They aren't going to be happy if Sark's actions torpedo a player that they spent a boatload of cash to bring to Austin so effectively, Sark's bosses aren't going to let him suspend a kid no matter what.
>:(LoL.
I mean, you coulda used Sayin to make the same point.
I'm just sayin'...
True enough.Yeah, I understand the appeal. But both the NCAA and the conferences have a problem--exit.
I'm not saying it would work any better, I'm just saying I understand the appeal to try something different, to try something other than the thing that we already know doesn't work and hasn't worked for over half a century.
People are constantly lamenting how weak and toothless the NCAA is. And they're right.we didn't always agree so much
If you want serious enforcement, then I can understand Fearless' appeal to have the conference do it rather than the NCAA. If your response to that is, "Well then, what the heck is the NCAA any good for?" well I think that's a fair question, and the answer is, not much.
But because the conference controls the distribution of hundreds of millions of dollars to its member schools, it has much stronger capability to compel compliance.
we didn't always agree so muchI agree with the sentiments, absolutely. But for the reasons pointed out since, I'm not sure it could ever make a difference.
As I see it and understand it, the ncaa was to keep schools from organizing outside of conferences... i.e. UM or Auburn since we're aiming at them, get slapped hard by their conferences in this fictitious example, and decide "whatever, we'll just leave the conference!"... which would trigger the conferences appealing to the ncaa to sanction any schools from scheduling the offending schools without full membership into that conference- which requires agreeing to things...Michigan has left the B1G in the past, in response to penalties for cheating.
It closes an escape hatch, in other words. The ncaa wouldn't have control over the school, per say, but they'd have some control on who that school plays- if any- by leveling sanctions against them.
They just grew beyond their purpose and kinda killed themselves. The conferences haven't, but they still need some sort of binding contract with other conferences and all of the sport else there would be a lot more independent schools than there are. The ncaa still provides that.
Donovan Edwards moved on, natural to backfill with another Holocaust denierhttps://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1957830351486693831
https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1957830351486693831Pretty sure they fired him. Definitely wasn't on the cover of a video game
Everyone can sit there and lecture MDOT21 for name calling, but maybe start with the person that continues to arrogantly make this topic personal over and over. This is specifically the approach that destroys this board. It's one thing to disagree on this topic, it's another when the same individual starts attacking who people are because of this topic. MDOT's language and name calling harms the culture of this board, but so does allowing this approach to be accepted over and over.
It is sad what this has done to you. I know you. You aren't @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) . I'm sure you have personal integrity. I'm sure that if this was not just Ohio State but if this was any school other than Michigan you'd be appalled at this behavior just like the rest of us - NOTE, not just Ohio State fans, EVERYONE.
Everyone can sit there and lecture MDOT21 for name calling, but maybe start with the person that continues to arrogantly make this topic personal over and over. This is specifically the approach that destroys this board. It's one thing to disagree on this topic, it's another when the same individual starts attacking who people are because of this topic. MDOT's language and name calling harms the culture of this board, but so does allowing this approach to be accepted over and over.winner winner chicken dinner. this guy has literally started dozens of threads and written hundreds of thesis papers 400,000 words long on the topic at hand for YEARS (get over it already, maybe?) and throws personal insults and shots at anyone who disagrees with his opinion and thinks he's acting like a crying whining hysterical woman.
MB -you don't know a thing about me. We went to one basketball game together. That's it. You know absolutely nothing about what an irrelevant topic has done or not done to me. Collegiate sports are a minimal part of my life and my family and my business and spending my effort making people's lives better is the where my energy goes. I'm an Ignatius man. Few on this board will understand, but "Men For Others" is where i'm built and where my energy is. Exactly why I'm on here far less than I ever was because my energy is spent in areas I can make the lives of people i encounter better. Feel free to use your energy to use Cheater and try to frame people as shitty humans if they're Michigan fans. It's not a reflection of me in any regards.
Pretty sure they fired him. Definitely wasn't on the cover of a video gamedude got the cover of a video game off one game vs Ohio State in Columbus where he went nuclear. Will Johnson should've been on that cover.
Michigan has left the B1G in the past, in response to penalties for cheating.Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag. The league should never have taken them back.
They came back 10 years later.
winner winner chicken dinner. this guy has literally started dozens of threads and written hundreds of thesis papers 400,000 words long on the topic at hand for YEARS (get over it already, maybe?) and throws personal insults and shots at anyone who disagrees with his opinion and thinks he's acting like a crying whining hysterical woman.In the last 13 years your dirtbag program has exactly one legitimate win over my school.
fact of the matter is his brain is broken. Michigan has broken Ohio State fan base. It's glorious. Michigan has beaten Ohio State 4 years in a row- about to be 5 in a row, they didn't get the hammer like he and his Bucknutjob fanbois were predicting for years, and Michigan is doing better on the 'crootin' trail in Moore's first real full classes in 2025 & 2026 than Jeem had ever done on the trail save for maybe one or two classes in his 10 years in Ann Arbor. Homie is big mad and can't deal.
Everyone can sit there and lecture MDOT21 for name calling, but maybe start with the person that continues to arrogantly make this topic personal over and over. This is specifically the approach that destroys this board. It's one thing to disagree on this topic, it's another when the same individual starts attacking who people are because of this topic.There were things that went too far, that were uncalled for. Things that caused me to reach out to people privately to tone it down.
Everyone can sit there and lecture MDOT21 for name calling, but maybe start with the person that continues to arrogantly make this topic personal over and over. This is specifically the approach that destroys this board. It's one thing to disagree on this topic, it's another when the same individual starts attacking who people are because of this topic. MDOT's language and name calling harms the culture of this board, but so does allowing this approach to be accepted over and over.I think this is a reasonable point. It has certainly gotten personal in some cases here, when it doesn't need to be.
MB -you don't know a thing about me. We went to one basketball game together. That's it. You know absolutely nothing about what an irrelevant topic has done or not done to me. Collegiate sports are a minimal part of my life and my family and my business and spending my effort making people's lives better is the where my energy goes. I'm an Ignatius man. Few on this board will understand, but "Men For Others" is where i'm built and where my energy is. Exactly why I'm on here far less than I ever was because my energy is spent in areas I can make the lives of people i encounter better. Feel free to use your energy to use Cheater and try to frame people as shitty humans if they're Michigan fans. It's not a reflection of me in any regards.
I think this is a reasonable point. It has certainly gotten personal in some cases here, when it doesn't need to be.I think we all know when college football became a hellscape
I once was chased around all over the predecessors to this message board by C-Dubb, who absolutely insisted on turning every single thread into a "Texas is the cause of all things evil in college football" thread. Not only was he completely wrong because obviously Michigan is the cause of all things evil in college football, but it was also an absolute beating and made the entire message board a miserable place for all of us who were Texas Longhorn fans.
I think it's reasonable to ask that individuals on this board, not make everything completely miserable for other individuals on this board.
That said-- this specific thread is obviously about the alleged evils of Michigan. So, a Michigan fan that doesn't want to read about such stuff, probably shouldn't click on this thread.
And what goes along with that, is that people restrict their single-mindedly hate-filled posts to threads that are appropriate for it, so that not every single thread becomes a miserable and unreadable piece of shit.
In other words, everybody needs to grow the fuck up and act like adults, not 8 year old schoolchildren on a gotdamn playground.
Make sense? Does everyone think they can do it? Great, I knew we could.
Everyone can sit there and lecture MDOT21 for name calling, but maybe start with the person that continues to arrogantly make this topic personal over and over. This is specifically the approach that destroys this board. It's one thing to disagree on this topic, it's another when the same individual starts attacking who people are because of this topic. MDOT's language and name calling harms the culture of this board, but so does allowing this approach to be accepted over and over.I know you well enough to know that you'd be mad as hell if this was any school not named Michigan and the hypocrisy of pretending it is ok just because you choose to root for a school with a 100+ year history of cheating is astounding.
MB -you don't know a thing about me. We went to one basketball game together. That's it. You know absolutely nothing about what an irrelevant topic has done or not done to me. Collegiate sports are a minimal part of my life and my family and my business and spending my effort making people's lives better is the where my energy goes. I'm an Ignatius man. Few on this board will understand, but "Men For Others" is where i'm built and where my energy is. Exactly why I'm on here far less than I ever was because my energy is spent in areas I can make the lives of people i encounter better. Feel free to use your energy to use Cheater and try to frame people as shitty humans if they're Michigan fans. It's not a reflection of me in any regards.
However, what bothers me about the Michigan fans in this thread--save one, who IMHO is incapable of this emotion--is that it seems not a single one of them is ashamed of their team for what happened. Instead, the response is to deny, deflect, and then even to gloat when the punishment was so minimal.The program you root for is complete and utter trash and EVERYONE outside of the Michigan bubble knows it.
Because Medina is right. This is not just OSU fans calling this out as wrong because it happened to his rival. This is the impartial B1G fans of other schools on this board. This is other institutions. This is former CFB coaches like Stoops upthread. This is the entire college sports media. This is something that a Purdue fan and an IU fan can find common ground on!
I can't put myself in your shoes, but I have to hope about myself that if my Boilermakers had a scandal of this magnitude, I'd at least have the humility and honesty to call it out as wrong, and accept that my school probably deserves to get hammered in punishment.
But I have yet to find any Michigan fan on this board who will do so.
There were things that went too far, that were uncalled for. Things that caused me to reach out to people privately to tone it down.I'm seeing Michigan fans being directly called scum and horrible people. I think it goes both ways. If someone were doing that to me on a constant basis, I'd be more inclined to show zero remorse and tell them to fuck right off.
However, what bothers me about the Michigan fans in this thread--save one, who IMHO is incapable of this emotion--is that it seems not a single one of them is ashamed of their team for what happened. Instead, the response is to deny, deflect, and then even to gloat when the punishment was so minimal.
Because Medina is right. This is not just OSU fans calling this out as wrong because it happened to his rival. This is the impartial B1G fans of other schools on this board. This is other institutions. This is former CFB coaches like Stoops upthread. This is the entire college sports media. This is something that a Purdue fan and an IU fan can find common ground on!
I can't put myself in your shoes, but I have to hope about myself that if my Boilermakers had a scandal of this magnitude, I'd at least have the humility and honesty to call it out as wrong, and accept that my school probably deserves to get hammered in punishment.
But I have yet to find any Michigan fan on this board who will do so.
I think we all know when college football became a hellscape
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I don't view them as being anywhere near as bad as OU that utilized systemic institutionalized cheating for more than 6 decades to advance its success. They have no legitimate titles that weren't directly a result of that cheating.
@Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) is wrong and this thread proves it. This isn't about Ohio State fans, EVERYONE who respects integrity feels the same way. Bob Stoops, Josh Pate, @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) nailed it:The program you root for is complete and utter trash and EVERYONE outside of the Michigan bubble knows it.
My understand is that most of the perps at Michigan are now gone, those directly involved who abetted the scheme. I don't view their program as trash.You laugh but it almost happened.
I do think some of their Ws during the era of cheating should have been negated, especially that one over UGA in the playoffs. Oh, never mind.
I'm seeing Michigan fans being directly called scum and horrible people. I think it goes both ways. If someone were doing that to me on a constant basis, I'd be more inclined to show zero remorse and tell them to fuck right off.Exactly this. I remember it going to far for the Penn State fans during the Sandusky era as well. It's one thing when the school or program is in the wrong. It's another when every feels it's the time to call you a piece of shit, scum or dirtbag because of what the program did at every moment. It's college football. It's supposed to be the few moments in life that provide relief from the stress of life an entertainment. When people take it this far and make it a description of who someone is personally for being a fan of a team or program, they seriously need to look in the mirror. Did Michigan cross the line? Sure did. Does it make every Michigan fan a scumbag? Sure doesn't. Anyone taking it to that level is actually a giant hypocrite. Call michigan the program and coaches scumbags for ruining football but they're ok for ruining a place like this with their direct interactions.
You know, hypothetically, of course.
The program you root for is complete and utter trash and EVERYONE outside of the Michigan bubble knows it.This is where we go from "everyone agrees" to "Ohio State fans editorializing".
This is where we go from "everyone agrees" to "Ohio State fans editorializing".I think this is a completely reasonable view. I am surprised that Moore was allowed to stay on. Everyone from that era of the program should have been discharged, and the university should have started over with a clean slate.
I don't think Michigan's program is "utter trash". I think this is a giant black mark on their reputation. But I'm not going to fly off the handle about it.
The biggest issue is that this scandal is large enough that I think the AD should have burned it down, canned Sherrone Moore, and started from scratch. Don't let short term stability get in the way of your integrity.
My understand is that most of the perps at Michigan are now gone, those directly involved who abetted the scheme. I don't view their program as trash.Really? You think the 2023 offensive coordinator, now head coach, wasn't directly involved?
Oh and the idea that Bob fucking Stoops has integrity is absolutely laughable. He didn't cheat quite as bad as $witzer, that's about all that can be said for him.Of course your oilmen didn't have any holes in their pockets dropping change around the UT A.D.Building,of course not ;D
This is where we go from "everyone agrees" to "Ohio State fans editorializing".This is where I'm at.
I don't think Michigan's program is "utter trash". I think this is a giant black mark on their reputation. But I'm not going to fly off the handle about it.
The biggest issue is that this scandal is large enough that I think the AD should have burned it down, canned Sherrone Moore, and started from scratch. Don't let short term stability get in the way of your integrity.
Of course your oilmen didn't have any holes in their pockets dropping change around the UT A.D.Building,of course not ;DLulz. Red herring that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Bob $toops is the last person anyone should be quoting when he hypocritically talks about "integrity." People might as well be quoting Hugh Freeze or Art Briles.
Really? You think the 2023 offensive coordinator, now head coach, wasn't directly involved?you mean deleting 43 texts upon the announcement of Connor being canned wasn't a mere coincidence? He just happened to clearing it out for storage. :cheer:
Lulz.Just not good at it - like football.
If Texas had been cheating, we wouldn't have been getting our asses kicked by shitass programs like SMU and Baylor.
This is where I'm at.ZOOM-POW Right in the kisser
What upsets me most, honestly, is that I know what would have happened had my school (or yours, etc.) done this stuff.
Really? You think the 2023 offensive coordinator, now head coach, wasn't directly involved?I said MOST of the perps. I agree with whoever said the current coach should have a show cause for x years.
Just not good at it - like football.You should stick to eating sandwiches over the sink and leave the pot stirring to the pros like Fearless.
This is where we go from "everyone agrees" to "Ohio State fans editorializing".What makes the program utter trash is that they didn't do what you said here.
I don't think Michigan's program is "utter trash". I think this is a giant black mark on their reputation. But I'm not going to fly off the handle about it.
The biggest issue is that this scandal is large enough that I think the AD should have burned it down, canned Sherrone Moore, and started from scratch. Don't let short term stability get in the way of your integrity.
The above is opinion not fact. I realize you didn't say it, but you're holding it up as supporting evidence.
They now have what you called "the most egregious cheating scandal I've ever heard of--even worse than point-shaving". Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag.
You guys may not like the way I've phrased it but call a spade a spade. None of the facts I laid out are disputable.
Did Michigan cross the line? Sure did.OMG! I believe that this is a first. There is at least one Michigan fan in the world capable of admitting that the school he roots for cheated. Maybe, just maybe if what we heard from the Michigan fans on here and everywhere wasn't a constant refrain of "nu uh, we won nah nah nah nah" some of us wouldn't be so completely fed up.
OMG! I believe that this is a first. There is at least one Michigan fan in the world capable of admitting that the school he roots for cheated. Maybe, just maybe if what we heard from the Michigan fans on here and everywhere wasn't a constant refrain of "nu uh, we won nah nah nah nah" some of us wouldn't be so completely fed up.Well hooray!
Wait, what did Bob Stoops do that makes you say that? Are you talking about the Rhett Bomar thing? Because that's really the only thing that comes to mind.I mean, Rhett Bomar wasn't the ONLY Sooner on the booster payroll. He was just the most famous one.
The above is opinion not fact. I realize you didn't say it, but you're holding it up as supporting evidence.Eh. I'm not going to claim to know anything about OU's transgressions. And to be fair, I called it the most egregious cheating scandal that ***I*** had ever heard of. I'm not some sort of college football historian. I really knew nothing about the game until 1997, and barely paid attention to anything outside the Big Ten until the mid-oughts or so.
I personally strongly disagree with that opinion. What Michigan did for a handful of years is not anywhere close to what OU did for over half a century. None of you jackwagons give a shit about that so please forgive me if I'm not full of righteous fervor over this thing.
And I'd also suggest to Michigan fans that if they don't want to hear bad things about their school, don't click on a thread that was specifically created to relay bad things about their school...Yeah, but the title of the thread doesn't even mention Michigan... How could they POSSIBLY know that this was about their school? :57:
Eh. I'm not going to claim to know anything about OU's transgressions. And to be fair, I called it the most egregious cheating scandal that ***I*** had ever heard of. I'm not some sort of college football historian. I really knew nothing about the game until 1997, and barely paid attention to anything outside the Big Ten until the mid-oughts or so.Right, I know. The fact that it was institutionalized for over half a century-- not just a few boosters handing out hundies in the locker room-- means nothing to you. I get it.
To me, the reason I brought up the comparison to something like point shaving is due to its actual on-field effect. Another one that would be similarly analogous would be paying off referees.
While I think there are so MANY instances of small and large scale recruiting shenanigans over the years, i.e bagmen, "fake jobs" paying players, etc... Those are different from this categorically.
A massive advanced scouting and sign-stealing program targeted to be able to decipher the opponents playcalls in real time--perhaps having even MORE effect on a game than the players point-shaving or the referees trying to manufacture [or ignore] calls to advantage one program... That's a big damn deal. And it's one that is nearly impossible to have happen without institutional support; it may not be clear who was reimbursing Stallions for what he did, but for Harbaugh to have him on the sideline working with the coordinators has to involve knowledge of what he was up to, or turning such a blind eye that it is itself malfeasance.
The above is opinion not fact. I realize you didn't say it, but you're holding it up as supporting evidence.I do care and I acknowledge that Oklahoma and other schools have cheated.
I personally strongly disagree with that opinion. What Michigan did for a handful of years is not anywhere close to what OU did for over half a century. None of you jackwagons give a shit about that so please forgive me if I'm not full of righteous fervor over this thing.
Once a dirtbag, always a dirtbag.This is a perfect example of a completely unreasonable take and approach. While you don't want to come to terms with it, this is a far clearer reflection of you than me. I'm not sure why your passion has become paint the picture of all Michigan fans as pieces of shit if they don't spend their waking hours saying everyone in Ann Arbor is a dirtbag, but many of us out there know that it's not the game nor the outcome of the game that's most important, it's the connection we make with people along that way that has the most value. Maybe I should cancel my trip to Ann Arbor next month with my wife and kids. There's no way they could possibly focus on the first college football game experience with so many scumbags sitting around them.
You guys may not like the way I've phrased it but call a spade a spade. None of the facts I laid out are disputable.
I do care and I acknowledge that Oklahoma and other schools have cheated.Again. I get it. You don't give a shit. You really don't. Paragraphs and paragraphs of exposition to tell me that you don't give a shit.
The difference, as I see it, is provability. In every case of which I am aware that the NCAA was able to prove that a school* paid players (back when that was illegal) there were consequences and the school acted appropriately.
There are two differences here. First, Michigan's cheating isn't an allegation. Contra @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) , it isn't something that Ohio State fans say happened. It is a documented fact.
Secondly is the Asterix from above. We all say that "Auburn paid Cam Newton" or that "Oklahoma paid players", or more locally that "Michigan paid the Fab Five" and while the gist of that is true, it isn't factually true. The University of Auburn, as an institution, didn't pay Cam Newton and, so far as I know, the actual institution didn't actually violate any rules. Same for Oklahoma and Michigan with football players and the Fab Five respectively. Oklahoma boosters paid players and some random electrician who happened to have a few extra million in his pocket paid the Fab Five.
If we are really honest about it I have no doubt that there have been, as @MrNubbz (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=17) put it above, oilmen dropping cash around the Texas AD and the same thing happening at Ohio State and all the other program. Similarly, I don't doubt that players from pretty much all the programs have had cushy and/or outright no-show jobs "working" for boosters. These things happen but the schools generally at least pretend not to allow it. Turning a blind eye to something that you can't realistically enforce anyway isn't the same thing as actually engaging in cheating as an institution.
You should stick to eating sandwiches over the sink and leave the pot stirring to the pros like Fearless.That's a dirty,rotten,no good,low down,accurate thing to say to me
Wait, what did Bob Stoops do that makes you say that? Are you talking about the Rhett Bomar thing? Because that's really the only thing that comes to mind.What i recall about Stoops and that incident is his post comments... the ncaa was given a gift in the form of court records under sworn testimony irt USCw, and did nothing. Carol refused to cooperate. Stoops self investigated and offered everything discovered- and the ncaa slapped them. Stoops said "the take away? Don't self report and don't cooperate with an investigation".
I'm with SM on this one. Any of the teams we cheer for could have been embroiled in this kind of thing. It would still be difficult not to be fans.And this is where I am. I'm not, in any way, suggesting that Michigan fans should stop rooting for their school. Some of the stuff at Penn State was absolutely horrible, and that doesn't mean you should never root for Penn State.
How we each rationalize it, and how much we are willing to wish away are interesting questions. Kinda metaphysical. Have to bring @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) for questions like that.
This is a perfect example of a completely unreasonable take and approach. While you don't want to come to terms with it, this is a far clearer reflection of you than me. I'm not sure why your passion has become paint the picture of all Michigan fans as pieces of shit if they don't spend their waking hours saying everyone in Ann Arbor is a dirtbag, but many of us out there know that it's not the game nor the outcome of the game that's most important, it's the connection we make with people along that way that has the most value. Maybe I should cancel my trip to Ann Arbor next month with my wife and kids. There's no way they could possibly focus on the first college football game experience with so many scumbags sitting around them.I'm trying not to call you personally a dirtbag but my problem is the hypocrisy.
I can't put myself in your shoes, but I have to hope about myself that if my Boilermakers had a scandal of this magnitude, I'd at least have the humility and honesty to call it out as wrong, and accept that my school probably deserves to get hammered in punishment.There were two times I was embarrassed to be an Ohio State fan:
Again. I get it. You don't give a shit. You really don't. Paragraphs and paragraphs of exposition to tell me that you don't give a shit.It isn't that I don't care it is that the NCAA always struggled to prove these cases so they weren't prosecutable.
It doesn't take me paragraphs to say-- I care a lot less about what Michigan did for a few years, than what OU did for over half a century.
But I do think that Michigan should have entirely cleaned house. Keeping on anyone, from that staff, is not acceptable.
And this is where I am. I'm not, in any way, suggesting that Michigan fans should stop rooting for their school. Some of the stuff at Penn State was absolutely horrible, and that doesn't mean you should never root for Penn State.The bold part is what it's about. Maybe not in our teens or 20's or before we have a family, but after we age into different seasons of life, sports is not the center, it's the experience with people we care about.
Fandom is irrational, and as SM says, there is so much emotion involved in it because of it becoming entrenched during some of the most formative years of one's life. When I took my son on his Purdue tour last month, being able to sit there and walk the campus with him just brought a smile to my face. I know Purdue is a good school, but what made me happy was showing him *MY* school.
It's the seeming inability to acknowledge the enormity of the wrongdoing that bothers me. When the milquetoast punishment was handed down, the response could have been "Whew! I could have sworn we would have gotten it worse. We really got away lucky..." Instead it was gloating. And even now, Sherrone Moore has a 2 year show-cause... Which I guess means that any institution that hires him has to show why they must hire him. But of course Michigan doesn't have to show why they're keeping him. So they got off scot free, absent a little financial penalty that they won't even feel.
Gatorama was a Michigan and a Florida fan. Given my kids went to OSU and Florida is, well, Florida, we still got along great. As many here recall, he came to Arlington for my son (and me).The internet used to be a decent place.
That sort of thing means a lot, on a personal level, I don't really care who you support (except Eastern Michigan anyway). And I think "we" have said mostly enough about Michigan and the NCAA (which none of us much like). We now could go back to discussing the Dawgs and whether they can run off another 15-0 ....
The internet used to be a decent place.TV made it better and ruined it at the same time.
Well, that's not true either. But it was better than it is now
Great, this will be productive. I'll leave this thread to descend into even further piece of shitness without me and I will continue caring very little about this, elsewhere.I’m taking your advice and bouncing.
Adieu.
if you’ll notice every thread on here turns into a Michigan - Ohio State shitfest and it’s usually mainly the Ohio State dudes turning it so.Raise your hand if you've already got a warning in this thread
Oh and the idea that Bob fucking Stoops has integrity is absolutely laughable. He didn't cheat quite as bad as $witzer, that's about all that can be said for him.100%.
Let's make it $40 mill$20 mil is for a 2 loss Natty.. $30 Mil is for an undefeated Natty with controversy.. $40 mil must be an undefeated controversy free natty.
Still worth it for a natty
one Buckeye tantrum, everyone knows the rules.Porntoy bumping his gums - ask the donors who are still paying off the angel Anderson's 490 mil.deeds & now the 35-50 mil. integrity payments coming due.And don't forget wonderful Mr Weiss and his depravities after that. Caligula ran a cleaner operation
one Buckeye tantrum, everyone knows the rules.I've never been impressed with anyone who flaunts and taunts.
$40 mill be a bargain then for Michigan, prolly never had an undefeated controversy free natty.I think the realistic answer is, there probably haven't been any free natty's in a long, long, long time.
Big Ten outta hit em for another $50 mill to distribute to members that haven't been caught yetIMHO that would be the kicker that would stop people like Ross and Portnoy kicking in...
I've never been impressed with anyone who flaunts and taunts.Look up douchenozzle in Webster's and it's a snapshot of him
I can't believe Fox is putting this asshole on TV.
Seriously.
I've never been impressed with anyone who flaunts and taunts.he founded, owns, and runs the most popular online sports media company in the US. he's got who knows how many tens of millions of followers on social media platforms from YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, and X/Twitter.
I can't believe Fox is putting this asshole on TV.
Seriously.
He is the algorithm. Outrage = clicks.bingo. they are trying to get views/clicks.
IMHO that would be the kicker that would stop people like Ross and Portnoy kicking in...yeah, not really.
"Wait, you mean this will be distributed to the other teams so OSU might benefit? Nope. I'm out."
It feels weird to say this, but...
You're onto something, @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10)
I think the realistic answer is, there probably haven't been any free natty's in a long, long, long time.yup. takes money to make money.
he founded, owns, and runs the most popular online sports media company in the US. he's got who knows how many tens of millions of followers on social media platforms from YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, and X/Twitter.He's an asshole.
Fox Sports is dying on the vine and trying to compete with ESPN and trying to attract new viewership to keep up with the Jonses. It's not that hard to believe at all. I actually can't believe that you can't believe they would be putting be this asshole on TV.
They are desperate to bring in eyeballs.
he founded, owns, and runs the most popular online sports media company in the US.That'd still be ESPiN & Turner Sports your creativty with a narrative is almost to be admired.And Fox is still raking in over 10 Billion a year.Bleacher Report has 4.68 million YouTube subscribers.Barstool Sports has 1.88 million subscribers on their main ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
He's an asshole.Well he has "stool" in the company name
IMHO that would be the kicker that would stop people like Ross and Portnoy kicking in...unfortunately, purdue, Nebraska, northwestern, Iowa, rutgers, ucla, wisconsin, minnesooota, and the rest don't care enough to demand the conference do something about this.
"Wait, you mean this will be distributed to the other teams so OSU might benefit? Nope. I'm out."
It feels weird to say this, but...
You're onto something, @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10)
He's an asshole.not disagreeing with you at all. he is obnoxious. he is asshole-ish. but he's also a very influential/prominent polarizing public personality/figure - which is why Fox Sports is hiring him- they want their version of Pat McAfee.
unfortunately, purdue, Nebraska, northwestern, Iowa, rutgers, ucla, wisconsin, minnesooota, and the rest don't care enough to demand the conference do something about this.unfortunately those programs don't bring the type of eyeballs to television sets that Michigan does- which in turn makes the conference billions of dollars and those schools hundreds of millions of dollars every single year.
The highest paid people on tv. In sports, news, whatever, are all assholes. Boring doesn't get noticed. If Gameday was starting now, Corso would be the straight man, and Herbstreit wouldn't be hired.yeah good ol' normal, boring, fair and balanced doesn't get you viewership or noticed these days. being the loudest most obnoxious asshat possible does. hell- it even gets you elected President!
The highest paid people on tv. In sports, news, whatever, are all assholes. Boring doesn't get noticed. If Gameday was starting now, Corso would be the straight man, and Herbstreit wouldn't be hired.The best is a mix, you need that I think to illustrate the point. If you have four guys, have a straight man, a serious commentator, an AH, and a goofball.
What additional specific penalities do you thing SHOULD be attached?Minimum vacate every win for the 2 1/2 years it was going on. Perhaps even vacate the rest of that year and the NC as "fruit of the poisoned tree".
he founded, owns, and runs the most popular online sports media company in the US. he's got who knows how many tens of millions of followers on social media platforms from YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, and X/Twitter.I don't even know who or what you're talking about....so how can be the most popular platform? I see their stuff all over my feeds, but I rarely click and when I do it's just low level bullshit. No quality in their stuff.
Fox Sports is dying on the vine and trying to compete with ESPN and trying to attract new viewership to keep up with the Jonses. It's not that hard to believe at all. I actually can't believe that you can't believe they would be putting be this asshole on TV.
They are desperate to bring in eyeballs.
Minimum vacate every win for the 2 1/2 years it was going on. Perhaps even vacate the rest of that year and the NC as "fruit of the poisoned tree".I honestly agree with the gist of this. Fining them money does absolutely nothing, because a college program like Michigan literally has money to burn. Well, not literally, but figuratively has money to burn. Hell, A&M is still paying Jimbo over $50 million and he hasn't been our coach for two years. I can promise you if the powers that be at most underperforming school thought they could pay $100,000,000 for a MNC they would do it in a heartbeat (*my school excluded, because as you all know, we're on the up and up). We're talking about Texas Tech, Auburn, Ole Miss, Arkansas. And once you break that seal, the cheating will only get more and more rampant until it's utter lawlessness because there is no way the rest of the country will let them on-up them.
If you can't retroactively apply the 2 year show cause for Moore, suspend him for the next two years. No football activities allowed.
Maybe post-House, bar them from using any of the revenue sharing on football for 3 years (equal to the length off time this was going on).
unfortunately those programs don't bring the type of eyeballs to television sets that Michigan does- which in turn makes the conference billions of dollars and those schools hundreds of millions of dollars every single year.I agree, but a severe penalty won't stop the conference from reaping the $$$ benefits from Michigan TV revenue
if you're talking about the 5 most watched programs in the sport- Michigan is way up there with Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas and whoever is ontop in the SEC at the moment- Florida was the IT program for a minute- then it was Bama for a decade and a half- now it's been Georgia the last 5-ish years.
ever heard the saying....don't bite the hand that feeds you? yeah...B1G conference heads and those school President heads & AD's aren't going to upset the apple cart and try to bite the hand that feeds them. it's common sense really. keep. it. simple. stupid.
I don't even know who or what you're talking about....so how can be the most popular platform? I see their stuff all over my feeds, but I rarely click and when I do it's just low level bullshit. No quality in their stuff.you do not = rest of the American public and particularly the most important demographic- 18 to 34, genius.
Why is 18-34 the most important demographic? To the extent money is the most important thing "in life", it's not.it's the demographic advertisers pay absolute top dollar for. ask them why that is. not me.
you do not = rest of the American public and particularly the most important demographic- 18 to 34, genius.I'd wager these sports fans on this board agree with me, genius.
I'd wager these sports fans on this board agree with me, genius.(https://external-preview.redd.it/d_cowYf1oGhdoLFK-cKr3ZXQZ_Eigxtg3BwHduczyMc.jpg?auto=webp&s=3b1dacd36dbdf7f40dbd46fefad2d1ee8c2fff9d)
I agree, but a severe penalty won't stop the conference from reaping the $$$ benefits from Michigan TV revenueTV revenue was NEVER the problem,just as many watched to see Harbaugh get his ass handed to him
and if it REALLY pisses off Michigan, so what? What are they gonna do, crawl to the SEC for an invite?
F no
it's the demographic advertisers pay absolute top dollar for. ask them why that is. not me.They are more influenceable and spend more time on line is why, not that they have the most money to spend. Folks like me are much less so even though we can bring the bucks when we want.
What additional specific penalities do you thing SHOULD be attached?In all seriousness (not that this will actually be done but):
Minimum vacate every win for the 2 1/2 years it was going on. Perhaps even vacate the rest of that year and the NC as "fruit of the poisoned tree".I typed my post before reading yours but we are roughly on the same page.
If you can't retroactively apply the 2 year show cause for Moore, suspend him for the next two years. No football activities allowed.
Maybe post-House, bar them from using any of the revenue sharing on football for 3 years (equal to the length off time this was going on).
They are more influenceable and spend more time on line is why, not that they have the most money to spend. Folks like me are much less so even though we can bring the bucks when we want.awesome....you can google! no way!
There is little point in directing some ad at me.
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awesome....you can google! no way!Once again, you take things far out of context. Imagine that. You said that Dave Portnoy, or DP for short, was the biggest media or whatever. Just because I don't know much about them doesn't mean that I don't know who or what they are. I know of them/him. Him being "hugely popular" doesn't equate to being #1. I don't even know what metric you'd use to gauge #1. Followers? Hits? Does DP do NFL, College Sports, all of the above? I don't really know. I know they at least do College Sports, mostly click-bait type articles with no real insight or depth. Kinda of like Saturday Down South and any other number of on-line sports media. I don't even remember it being a thing a year or two ago, and with on-line media it could be gone just as quick. Hell, Tik-Tok wasn't even a thing until ~2018....which was like yesterday.
now think for a second why this whole discussion even began as to why Fox Sports would try to hire Dave Portnoy- who has an online media company that mops it up with the most coveted 18-34 online/social media/podcast addicted demographic that advertisers jizz in their pants over.....
just because some old dusty curmudgeon on an insanely obscure anonymous message board that maybe 50 people in the entire world use has never heard of Barstool or Dave Portnoy means exactly....jackshit. and it obviously goes without saying that just because one person has never heard of Barstool doesn't mean it is not hugely popular. there are plenty of things i and many on this board have never heard of that are massively popular.
Fox Sports is betting big on Portnoy and his Barstool/online following that he will attract more 18-34 viewers aka the most highly coveted and important demo for tv networks/advertisers in order to do what....generate more ad revenue and make more money for the parent company.
Once again, you take things far out of context. Imagine that. You said that Dave Portnoy, or DP for short, was the biggest media or whatever. Just because I don't know much about them doesn't mean that I don't know who or what they are. I know of them/him. Him being "hugely popular" doesn't equate to being #1. I don't even know what metric you'd use to gauge #1. Followers? Hits? Does DP do NFL, College Sports, all of the above? I don't really know. I know they at least do College Sports, mostly click-bait type articles with no real insight or depth. Kinda of like Saturday Down South and any other number of on-line sports media. I don't even remember it being a thing a year or two ago, and with on-line media it could be gone just as quick. Hell, Tik-Tok wasn't even a thing until ~2018....which was like yesterday.I take nothing out of context, genius. The discussion was started by Badge and I was responding to him- in context. And I said Barstool was the biggest online sports media company. Because newsflash: they are.
And Fox sports....is the worst. I will watch them when I need to or have to, but Fox Sports getting in bed with DP means nothing to me.
That'd still be ESPiN & Turner Sports your creativty with a narrative is almost to be admired.And Fox is still raking in over 10 Billion a year.Bleacher Report has 4.68 million YouTube subscribers.Barstool Sports has 1.88 million subscribers on their main ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ESPN is a legacy cable network owned by a massive publicly traded company called Disney. Ever heard of them? Turner/TNT is....a legacy cable network owned by a massive publicly traded company called Warner Brothers. Ever heard of them? Bleacher Report coincidentally is also owned by Warner Brothers Discovery- and it is a decaying money pit for said company.
I take nothing out of context, genius. The discussion was started by Badge and I was responding to him- in context. And I said Barstool was the biggest online sports media company. Because newsflash: they are.Have the Doc up your thorazine or try cleaning Portnoy's cack out of your eyes - no it isn't - not close.Are you to broke to pay attention?
Back on topic,
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Get back to me with the results of the NCAA findings against Ohio St improprieties and not bar stool sports or MGOin all of that. UM kept it up during that season up to and including when Schiano stated it. Again all that posted is documented,Nah.. I'm taking the OSU approach moving forward.. No matter how much was uncovered. it was only tattoos and gold pants.. so with that approach.. it was only Stallions on the sideline and friends in the stands at opposing games learning opposition play calling. Then say it long enough that it convinces myself that's all it was and anyone else saying otherwise is crazy or a hater. That play has worked a long time.. I'm also going to make sure I'm saying it with a sweatervest on so it's more believable.. Just CMU.. Everything else overblown.
In all seriousness (not that this will actually be done but):This is why I can't fathom why they didn't vacate wins.
- Non-recognition of games and titles won in years during which cheating provably occurred (21-23). This matters a little to those of us who truly follow the sport without significantly impacting the Cheater's ability to continue to bring in revenue for the league so it is easy and the justice of it is manifestly obvious.
This is why I can't fathom why they didn't vacate wins.Exactly - makes perfect sense - but N-O-O-O,that is the very core of their self esteem.You see most of M's all-time wins were racked up during the time of covered wagons and tuberculosis.And they prided themselves in the all time wins even though Fielding Yost actually had more stevedores and construction workers on the roster than Students.In 1904 for instance they played kalamazoo, Physicians & Surgeons College,American Medical.Since UM hadn't won a OUTRIGHT NC since 1948 and exactly 75 yrs later during the '23 FIX. They fattened and fancied themselves with the refrain of the All Time wins title.
Literally it's the most obscure and pointless punishment anyway. Nobody *actually* cares that wins are vacated. Only those of us die-hards even recognize the difference. It really affects nothing at all...
This is why I can't fathom why they didn't vacate wins.this is a great point.
Literally it's the most obscure and pointless punishment anyway. Nobody *actually* cares that wins are vacated. Only those of us die-hards even recognize the difference. It really affects nothing at all...
...which is why I'm astounded they didn't do it, just for show.
how ya gonna get to Jimmy?yeah no chit. Jim ain't ever going back to college. Guy is one of the best NFL head coaches in the game.
ban him from coming back to the NCAA or Big Ten?
similar to Pete the cheat jumpin to Seattle NFL when busted at USC
yeah no chit. Jim ain't ever going back to college. Guy is one of the best NFL head coaches in the game.I like how you're spinning that. He was almost run out of town a few years ago. As I recall, he had to take a pay cut. Then the cheating started, and suddenly Michigan is on top. Now it's "he was always going back to the NFL", nothing to do with the heat from the fallout.
Michigan was lucky to get him when they did- the cards fell on the table for them fortunately and the only reason on planet earth they were able to scoop him up and get him to stay for a decade is because he went to school there, grew up in Ann Arbor as a kid, and worshipped Bo Schembechler. Emotional. Attachment.
He won a natty in college and he basically considered it mission accomplished and was always going to go back to the NFL to try and win a Super Bowl. He's been clear as day about winning a Super Bowl and climbing the mountaintop in the pinnacle of the sport of football- the NFL- being his ultimate goal since oh-I-don't-know-for-fucking-ever.
I like how you're spinning that. He was almost run out of town a few years ago. As I recall, he had to take a pay cut. Then the cheating started, and suddenly Michigan is on top. Now it's "he was always going back to the NFL", nothing to do with the heat from the fallout.And I certainly recall you on here talking all the time about "Jeem", and how he was either retarded or autistic. Certainly not singing his praises about being the best coach 3-4 years ago. Certainly not after TCU stomped them in the previous years playoff.
If these guys make bank in The league like Booger,they're not coming back.Unless they are extremely bored or somehow pissed it away.It just so much more time consuming.NFL coaches get 6-8 weeks off a year, little more or less depending on circumstances.College no such luck as they go from playoffs to recruiting to spring games then summer/fall camps then back at it. A lot more baby sitting also as many kids are from broken homes and bad back groundswe're all die hards here for CFB- but the fact of the matter is the NFL is just a much better gig.
I like how you're spinning that. He was almost run out of town a few years ago. As I recall, he had to take a pay cut. Then the cheating started, and suddenly Michigan is on top. Now it's "he was always going back to the NFL", nothing to do with the heat from the fallout.there is no spinning anything, genius. two things can be true. yes, he was almost run out of town a few years back during the weird ass COVID year when Joe Milton was his handpicked QB of the future and his team went 2-4 and he was forced to take a pay cut.
I don't think anyone is going to argue that and folks here just LUV to argue
NFL is just a way better gig.
Jeem started cheating and evolved into Jimnah. he will always be Jeem to me.
And I certainly recall you on here talking all the time about "Jeem", and how he was either retarded or autistic. Certainly not singing his praises about being the best coach 3-4 years ago. Certainly not after TCU stomped them in the previous years playoff.a) the dude is batshit crazy- he is definitely highly autistic or slightly retarded. he will ALWAYS be Jeem to me.
a) the dude is batshit crazy- he is definitely highly autistic or slightly retarded. he will ALWAYS be Jeem to me.It was a stompin' because Mich was HEAVILY favored, and TCU was way up on them at one point. Mich made a run at the end.
b) look at his resume. everywhere he's been- from small-ball conference at San Diego State, taking over the worst program in the P5 at Stanford, 49ers, Michigan, and now Chargers and taking them to playoffs in Year 1. his track record of turn arounds and winning speaks for itself. cannot stand his weird ass personality- he kind of freaks me out- or his god awful passing offenses- but the guy is a HELL of a football coach and anyone who denies this is well, a moron.
c) TCU didn't stomp Michigan, they won by 6 points. Hardly a "stomping". And A LOT of shit went wrong for Michigan for that to happen. Roman Wilson TD that was a TD gets over turned and JJ fumbles the ball at the 1 yard line when Michigan is about to score. JJ McCarthy throwing two inexplicable pick 6's right to TCU defenders. Or CB DJ Turner completely whiffing on what should've been a routine tackle on 3rd down during a cover 0 blitz off a quick pass to Quentin Johnston which would've forced a 4th down and likely punt and gotten Michigan the ball back- only for Turner to try to arm tackle a guy much bigger than him and eat turf and Johnston to go 60 yards after the catch for a TD because no safety was behind playing deep because of an all-out blitz.
that's football though. shit happens.
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/fmc-2qlk41izti11g5xrUrbz is a football genius. but I don't really care to hear the scumbag talk about integrity or morality to be honest.
Urban-Colin great points @2:48 regarding the scandal URBZ on knowing plays eliminates time spent analizing on how to recognize tendencies and read the field.Also @11:14 URBZ chimes in how Jeremiah Smith had advantages last year that neccesariy may not be there this season. he goe on to cite
1)A running QB
2) A strong run game
3) Another strong Wide out Emeka Egbuka
IMO Junior Carnell Tate from what I've seen will suffice just fine
TCU didn't stomp Michigan, they won by 6 points. Hardly a "stomping". And A LOT of shit went wrong for Michigan for that to happen.Obviously like Sonny Dykes getting tipped off about the advanced scouting changed all the plays/signs - in 3 weeks.As Michigan was advance scounting Clemson and Georgia. Never factoring in that Clemson would lose to Tennessee allowing TCU in thru the back door.
I like how you're spinning that. He was almost run out of town a few years ago. As I recall, he had to take a pay cut. Then the cheating started, and suddenly Michigan is on top. Now it's "he was always going back to the NFL", nothing to do with the heat from the fallout.I'm with Mdot on that. I never thought Harbaugh would be a UM lifer.
Just crazy talk, how did you come to that conclusion?mostly from reading you and utee
I'm with Mdot on that. I never thought Harbaugh would be a UM lifer.multiple things can be true at once.
If for no other reason than that the crazy bastard rubs people the wrong way, and so after a certain number of years anywhere, it builds up to the point people want to get rid of him! :57:
After all, he was successful in San Francisco, but he'd clearly worn out his welcome by that point.
I think once he won the NC, *and* all that heat was coming down on him, he wanted to get out while the gettin' was good.
Urbz is a football genius. but I don't really care to hear the scumbag talk about integrity or morality to be honest.he didn't singal any one out he pointed out the facts and it's worth the 12 minutes.URBZ is brilliant figuring out strength/weaknesses in match ups,planning schemes,formations,alignments and such.But he can be excessively ignorant/grating in other aspects. He has got dragged thru the mud and rightfully so. So the fact pointing out M getting a pass after the mountain of evidence should be assailed.
always gonna be booger to Nubbzhttps://youtu.be/pJDURHsbt0A
the argument that current players are getting punished for past teams' wrong doings is totally invalid IMHO in the transfer portal era. If players want to play in the postseason, they can transfer to another school with no penalty, so how are they being harmed?I don't mean this to be argumentative because I honestly don't know but suppose a school did something that got them a multi-year postseason ban (who knows what that would be at this point but just assume) ok, would the high-end recruits think:
A multi-year bowl ban would possibly have gutted UM's team of any halfway decent players as many would flee the sinking ship, which also seems like a fitting punishment. Another benefit of a bowl ban is that the rest of the college football world wouldn't have to hear Gus, Joel and the rest of the TV shills blather on about UM football after late November, which makes bowl season much more enjoyable for all involved 😎
Players want to make the league, but they also want to win. I would be shocked if a post-season ban didn't have a major impact on recruiting.I actually think a postseason ban is MORE effective now than it's been in a decade, simply because every helmet team expects to make the CFP. Not going to the Citrus Bowl? Nobody cares anymore. No shot at the CFP? That could matter
I actually think a postseason ban is MORE effective now than it's been in a decade, simply because every helmet team expects to make the CFP. Not going to the Citrus Bowl? Nobody cares anymore. No shot at the CFP? That could matterSeems like top players are opting out of bowls more and more these days, so yeah.
I actually think a postseason ban is MORE effective now than it's been in a decade, simply because every helmet team expects to make the CFP. Not going to the Citrus Bowl? Nobody cares anymore. No shot at the CFP? That could matteragree 100%. post-season ban is probably the most significant punishment NCAA can dish out these days. bowl games are meaningless now- and the elite top flight blue chip prospects want to play in the playoff and to win a Natty- and well if a school gets a 2-3-4 year post season ban those kids aren't going to come to your school anymore- your top players will hit the portal- and you won't have any luck getting top kids in the portal. so basically your program = fucked.
if Cincinnati or USF is ever caught cheating they will get post season bans. for sure probably.ND,USC,Tennessee,tOSU say hello. This scheme was on steroids and dwarfs all others sans deviant, deplorable Doctors who should be given a fair trial followed by a 1st class hanging
Little bit of a problem here though. NBC, Fox, CBS, and Disney aren't paying SEC & B1G tens and tens of billions of dollars for any marquee helmet program in either league to get popped and for ratings to go down.
MOE. Money talks. Bullshit walks.
it's the only logical explanationI mean honestly anyone who didn't see anything other than a slap on the wrist at best coming is hella naive.
I'll tell you one thing... I'd HATE to be CMU right nowyeah, CMU is about to get nailed to the cross. poor bastards.
ND,USC,Tennessee,tOSU say hello.ND scandal was 30+ years ago. USC nearly 20 years ago. Ohio State almost 15 years ago now. It's a whole different world now in 2025 in regards to media rights and the amounts of money at stake. Completely different world now. You are comparing what might as well be ancient history to the present day.
well, if the Huskers sneak into the playoff and upset 3 SEC teams, that's good enuff for most
I had never heard of this dude (aside from his Complaint) before this thread. I suppose Nebbie COULD win the SEC, it's possible.
ND scandal was 30+ years ago. USC nearly 20 years ago. Ohio State almost 15 years ago now. It's a whole different world now in 2025 in regards to media rights and the amounts of money at stake. Completely different world now. You are comparing what might as well be ancient history to the present day.CFB viewership was at an alltime high before the scamsters session in seasons '21,'22,'23.
Doug Gottlieb Rips Ohio State Fans For Complaining About Michigan PunishmentThat's right blame the victims,how can Gottleib(an M schill) read the list of infractions with his head up booger's backside at the same time??? Read or have read to you below - even the Detroit Rags rip the program along with the USA Today and New York Times. Hmm whom to believe?
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Mdot keep's begging to be schooled,so who am i to keep him from his lesson ;DI’m just trying to rile ya up. Not quite as good as doing that to people as Fearless.
OK I'll sign off on this
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Again. I get it. You don't give a shit. You really don't. Paragraphs and paragraphs of exposition to tell me that you don't give a shit.94 you get a Yuengling,the scales have fallen from many eyes.Good investigation,woeful resolution,anyway the season is upon us
It doesn't take me paragraphs to say-- I care a lot less about what Michigan did for a few years, than what OU did for over half a century.
But I do think that Michigan should have entirely cleaned house. Keeping on anyone, from that staff, is not acceptable.
what's illegal about recording Connor Stalions??it's illegal in many states (including Michigan) to record phone conversations or personal interactions with someone without their consent.
it's illegal in many states (including Michigan) to record phone conversations or personal interactions with someone without their consent.The whataboutism is strong with this one.
that little pussy scumbag trash Joey Velasquez going to be in lottta hot wateeerrrrr. :)
The whataboutism is strong with this one.whataboutism isn't a real word. or thing. it's a stupid word that some moron made up. it's a meaningless concept.
I don't know.. maybe.. instead of turning this into ANOTHER shit on Michigan fans thread, maybe we can just talk about the Michigan v Oklahoma game? Is it really that difficult to be adults that talk sports that over and over it needs to be "take shots at the fans of said team." How juvenile can we get over and over here?I really don't mind it. Jealousy is a form of flattery. I try not to be envious, but I don't begrudge those that are.
whataboutism isn't a real word. or thing. it's a stupid word that some moron made up. it's a meaningless concept.Well, not really...
Well, not really...This is true, but it does make any Ohio State fans that are continuously harping on Michigan's transgressions, into hypocrites living in glass houses throwing stones...
Listen, you want to take shots at OSU? Fine with me. Find something they've done wrong, and I'll nailin' them to the fuckin' wall. You all know I have no love for helmets. I don't mind seeing any of them knocked down a peg.
But use them to deflect from the shit your own team did and should've been nailed to the wall for? That's whataboutism.
OSU doing something wrong does not in any way make the "punishment" for Michigan's cheating any more than a slap on the wrist and an affront to the fans of all other CFB programs.
This is true, but it does make any Ohio State fans that are continuously harping on Michigan's transgressions, into hypocrites living in glass houses throwing stones...Possibly true. We'll see--if this is proven and not just Portnoy throwing shit against the wall--if they have the honesty and integrity to own up to it being wrong.
Possibly true. We'll see--if this is proven and not just Portnoy throwing shit against the wall--if they have the honesty and integrity to own up to it being wrong.Oh yeah for sure. I don't trust Portnoy any further than I can throw him. He's an obnoxious loudmouth asshole with an agenda to push and an ax to grind.
The OSU fans on this board have certainly painted themselves into a corner on this one via said harping.
I thought ya'll weren't supposed to post that name here!I thought it was just that he was banned from Ohio Stadium???
OSU doing something wrong does not in any way make the "punishment" for Michigan's cheating any more than a slap on the wrist and an affront to the fans of all other CFB programs.You get a West Coast IPA Bwarb
(https://media.tenor.com/2S9mVM03L00AAAAM/hate.gif)LoL. I love that you keep trying to run with this idea that Ohio State fans are jealous:
I don't know.. maybe.. instead of turning this into ANOTHER shit on Michigan fans thread, maybe we can just talk about the Michigan v Oklahoma game? Is it really that difficult to be adults that talk sports that over and over it needs to be "take shots at the fans of said team." How juvenile can we get over and over here?I watched you shit all over Ohio State for YEARS because a few kids traded their own stuff for tattoos and the HC chose to ignore it after being notified. Don't act surprised that people are going to shit all over your dirtbag program when the institution orchestrated the most flagrant cheating scheme in the history of CFB and not only didn't fire the coaches involved like Ohio State did with Tressel, but actually promoted a coach who destroyed evidence in an effort to obstruct an NCAA investigation.
this lawyer says Michigan can take NCAA to court and beat 'em get all punishments thrown out if the reporting about pussy scumbag ratfuck Joey Velasquez breaking state law is true.OK I'll bite, let's set up a paypal account and a wager - you take whataboutism trial and I'll take United States v. Matthew Weiss,glad we settled that 😜
Badge was thinkin about banning him hereI'll help Badge ensure he's banned here.
I watched you shit all over Ohio State for YEARS because a few kids traded their own stuff for tattoos and the HC chose to ignore it after being notified. Don't act surprised that people are going to shit all over your dirtbag program when the institution orchestrated the most flagrant cheating scheme in the history of CFB and not only didn't fire the coaches involved like Ohio State did with Tressel, but actually promoted a coach who destroyed evidence in an effort to obstruct an NCAA investigation.You didn't watch me shit over anything. I just know more of the story from a personal connection to the deeper part of the "tattoo" incident, even though you want to blindly act like that's all it was and had nothing to do with Tressell having connections to legitimate business owners that filtered money to pay players through "jobs."
This is a price you pay to root for a dirtbag program. Dirtbags when they were kicked out of the Big Ten for cheating in the 1910s. Dirtbags when they stole a CWS in the 1980s. Dirtbags when they stole a F4 in the 1990s. Dirtbags when they cheated CFB in the 2020s. Accept it.
You didn't watch me shit over anything. I just know more of the story from a personal connection to the deeper part of the "tattoo" incident, even though you want to blindly act like that's all it was and had nothing to do with Tressell having connections to legitimate business owners that filtered money to pay players through "jobs."Oh look, a Michigan fan who says Ohio State cheated. In other news, water is wet.
The most ironic part is you acting like your program is holier than though while Michigan is the scum of the earth.My program isn't holier than though(sic, you meant thou).
It's why your opinion is worthless on this topic. You aren't reasonable.I don't expect you to take my word for anything. Go look at the Detroit Free Press, Pat Forde from SI, USA Today, or the New York Times:
(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/939/228/13228939.jpeg?width=600&fit=bounds)From the beginning you weasels have tried to reframe this as Ohio State fans vs Michigan. One of Michigan's trustees even LIED and tried to pin the scandal on Day.
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Guess what, some of us love the game, but don't find our identity in it or the teams we root for so we can easily walk away from it, even though we enjoy the game. Feel free to keep ranting like this. Character is easily seen by people's actions, both good and bad.You aren't an alum nor a native. You CHOSE to root for dirtbags and cheaters and SCUM. You aren't in a position to question someone else's character.
whataboutism isn't a real word. or thing. it's a stupid word that some moron made up. it's a meaningless concept.What about this explanation of the fallacy though?
Eh, other programs have cheated more egregiously for much longer periods of time. Like the one Michigan will be playing this Saturday, for which this thread was created.(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-you-ain-t-cheatin-you-ain-t-tryin-richard-petty-72-17-13.jpg)
As amusing as it is to think of this game as Cheater1 vs. Cheater2, there's already a thread for that hate. Let's leave it there. I'm gonna start moving all of the name-calling cheater-accusing posts to that one.
this is actually an amazing idea and any M-OSU posts in other threads should be automatically moved here.I don't think anything will ever get as long as the "other news" and "Covid" threads.
this thing has real potential to be the most toxic longest thread with most pages in this boards history.
probably should’ve been done while ago.
I don't think anything will ever get as long as the "other news" and "Covid" threads.(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw0Lq4nbnZmFktbvBMZ8OBxu9I7uY503lP_Q&s)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepZjgG9N18upset you say.....
even Iowa State AD calling out Ohio Soft for being the brittle lil pussies they are. Ross Bjork is a liar. And a dork.Dude can you please tone down the language? Please? This is not trashville forum.
https://twitter.com/IASTATEAD/status/1963272244651860173
Ohio soft gonna soft....Nothing like Dan Dakich and Lou Holtz getting in a nice yell session before 3:30 dinner with warm milk
https://twitter.com/tSilverBulletin/status/1963275346297356719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qepZjgG9N18App State I still find funny. And I met my wife that day. My grandmother died Thursday of the Toledo game. My dad (her son) didn't feel like going to the UM-Toledo game. I convinced him it would be cathartic for him, I'd drive, we could leave whenever. So, instead that game holds a special place in hell for me.
even Iowa State AD calling out Ohio Soft for being the brittle lil pussies they are. Ross Bjork is a liar. And a dork.
https://twitter.com/IASTATEAD/status/1963272244651860173
Dude can you please tone down the language? Please? This is not trashville forum.He is one of yours, a true Michigan "man".
He is one of yours, a true Michigan "man".per usual, you're wrong.
Also note that this isn't even true or is, at best, misleading. AFAIK, Portnoy was part of Fox's outside the stadium broadcast at Ohio State but not inside and he will also be part of their outside the stadium broadcast at ISU but not inside. So in other words no difference at all.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/MfMceuBmlcu0wlzgiF2cB9Zr_400.jpg)buddy, I've been to Ohio. pretty much see the same thing at any Walmart in any farm town in Ohio. the cows aren't even the fatest animals in those towns- it's usually the women.
Ryan Day and Lou HoltzI would legit pay money to see them fight in a cage match WWE style.
https://youtu.be/L5wVCqfxS2s?si=Nt24q8U-iOebGz2n
buddy, I've been to Ohio. pretty much see the same thing at any Walmart in any farm town in Ohio. the cows aren't even the fatest animals in those towns- it's usually the women.I've always said Michigan is a 60/40 split towards UM fans. UM has the top 20%, and the bottom 40% of the education spectrum. OSU has the whole damn spectrum of the state
buddy, I've been to Ohio. pretty much see the same thing at any Walmart in any farm town in Ohio. the cows aren't even the fatest animals in those towns- it's usually the women.I highlight that whole "whataboutism" thing...
buddy, I've been to Ohio. pretty much see the same thing at any Walmart in any farm town in Ohio. the cows aren't even the fatest animals in those towns- it's usually the women.And they still wouldn't sit on your face for fear of halitosis and ugly rubbing off on their frump while making you almost presentable
per usual, you're wrong.Even if this is true, why would Ohio State allow that dirtbag to do his shows on campus?
Barstool Sports does their own pre-game show, has nothing to do with Fox. Barstool had hotels, flights, and everything booked for it's employees and paid for sets and equipment for an on campus pre-game show in Columbus and Bjork the lying scared wuss pulled the plug on them and barred them from holding the show on their campus and Barstool had to cancel all their hotel & flight bookings for it's employees.
Ohio soft.
I think back fondly to the days when Ohio State and Michigan fans would argue back-and-forth whether urban’s work at Bowling Green and Utah was more impressive than Jim’s work at San Diego, Stanford and San Francisco.Good times.
Also the weird arguments about medically disqualifying that tackle who went to Texas Tech from Michigan and corner, who went to Auburn from Ohio State.
Colin Cowherd proclaims definitively that Ohio St will own Michigan "for the next 10 yrs" live on air on his tv show that hardly anyone watches.Cowherd definitely knows absolutely nothing about college football.
The opposite of what shitbags like Cowturd and Pete Finebum proclaim usually happens. He might've jinxed you all Ohio State fans. Sorry. 0-4 might well turn into 0-14 or 1-13 now, aka Return of the John Cooper.
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Colin Cowherd proclaims definitively that Ohio St will own Michigan "for the next 10 yrs" live on air on his tv show that hardly anyone watches.You bark out your backside almost as much as your heroes Portnoy and Harbaugh."The Herd" and "First Things First" remain as the only two main weekday shows on Fox Sports 1 (FS1) following a July 2025 programming shakeup, a testament to their success and ability to draw a large audience.Cowherd's show is anchoring the daytime lineup on FS1
:ecomcity:We all get it, you're in love with Colin Cowherd and want to marry him. I won't stand in your way. Love is love.
There's an old joke about getting a bingo card wet. And unless you've been off all week he's got more work done at his desk than you spam girling on the company's dime about him
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Good times.For whenever it’s worth, urban clearly ran off the worse player.
(https://cdn.imago-images.com/bild/sp/0005934316/w.jpg)man if only he hadn't reneged and gotten cold feet at the alter on the Bama job.
He's an idiot that knows nothing about sports.FIFY.
Cowturd is a moron.Then you'd recognize him from classes ;) and he's more popular and accurate than bar STOOL
(https://i.imgur.com/QEPplEQ.png)been that long since they beat Michigan.....dang.
been that long since they beat Michigan.....dang.😂😂😂
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been that long since they beat Michigan.....dang.Wonder what you'd say if like your team went 17-2 against a rival with them backing of another game over the 1st two decades of this century :D
Wonder what you'd say if like your team went 17-2 against a rival with them backing of another one over the 1 two decades of this century :Dsame thing Ohio State fans said when John Cooper was like 2-13 or whatever his record at Ohio State was vs Michigan.
-landed the best RB in the portal in HaynesNIL absolutely doing a lot of the work there and M's O Line coach should take a bow. When you open holes like last Saturday that it doesn’t matter what star RB you have. And how did Donovan Edwards turn out? He turned from a bonafide 1-2 round talent into undrafted and cut before preseason player. tOSU won a natty the season before Alford got there and the season after he leaves 😁.Michigan won*** one a natty the year before he got there and is 10-6 since. Ya bow all he wants deep pockets much more persuasive
-landed the #1 RB in the country
-has the second best RB in the country in Haynes as we speak
Take a bow Mr Alford
NIL absolutely doing a lot of the work there and M's O Line coach should take a bow. When you open holes like last Saturday that it doesn’t matter what star RB you have. And how did Donovan Edwards turn out? He turned from a bonafide 1-2 round talent into undrafted and cut before preseason player. tOSU won a natty the season before Alford got there and the season after he leaves 😁.Michigan won*** one a natty the year before he got there and is 10-6 since. Ya bow all he wants deep pockets much more persuasivejust busting chops.