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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on August 14, 2025, 11:11:32 PM
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For their 100th anniversary of naming AA teams:
QB - Tebow
RB - Sanders & Walker
WR - Moss & Fitzgerald
TE - Bowers
T - Pace & Fralic
G - Hannah & Parker
C - Bednarik
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DE - Green & White
DT - Suh & Nagurski
LB - Thomas, Butkus, Spielman
CB - Sanders & Woodson
S - Lott & Reed
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K - Janikowski
P - Tory Taylor, Iowa (2023)
AP - Rodgers
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12 AP ppl voted. Players had to be named to at least 1 first-team AA.
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I think Aaron Donald gets overlooked BECAUSE of his NFL success, which is weird. Usually it's the opposite.
67 TFL in his career at Pitt.
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Lazy list. I stopped at Butkus. Yes, he an All-American.
He was NOT an All-American at LB.
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Rimington was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1997. He played for the Huskers from 1979 to ’82. He won the Outland Trophy twice, in 1981 and 1982. The Outland is awarded for the best interior linemen in college football. Rimington is the only player to win the Outland twice.
AP awarded first-team center honors to Penn’s Chuck Bednarik, who played for the Quakers in 1947 and ’48. Bednarik was called “Concrete Charlie” and he played on offense and defense.
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AP list...more like AI.
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Dang, Dick Butkus retired in 73? My aunt was still joking about his name well into the 90s. I thought he must have at least played in the 80s.
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Dang, Dick Butkus retired in 73? My aunt was still joking about his name well into the 90s. I thought he must have at least played in the 80s.
To be fair, he kept his name alive via a LOT of endorsements.
I'm not old enough to remember him as a player; he retired 5 years before I was born. I do remember him from commercials.
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Dang, Dick Butkus retired in 73? My aunt was still joking about his name well into the 90s. I thought he must have at least played in the 80s.
He had a strong 80s mustache, though.
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Lott played at least as much CB as S. And he was obviously not one of the top 2 safeties of all time (solely in college).
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Lott played at least as much CB as S. And he was obviously not one of the top 2 safeties of all time (solely in college).
Yeah I was going to say he was mostly CB.
Give me Sean Taylor at safety and Ed Reed at the other safety. Miami really had the two best safeties I’ve ever seen on the same damn team. Pretty wild.
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also as much as I respect Tebow, I have a hard time saying he’s the best QB of all-time in college.
Vince Young is the gold standard college QB to me, Cam Newton might be the most physically gifted QB we’ve ever seen and had the greatest single season any QB ever had until Joe Burrow came along and had the best single season of any QB ever.
I’m taking one of those 3 guys over Tebow. Just am. They were all flat out better QB’s.
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The only thing Vince Young was the best at was taking a called pass play and scrambling for a healthy ypc average.
As a QB, maybe that shouldn't be your #1 strength.
I've never seen another player given such a halo effect based on 1 game.
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I’m taking one of those 3 guys over Tebow. Just am. They were all flat out better QB’s.
What would Tebow have had done differently to warrant your vote?
More than 2 national championships?
More than the SEC all-time lead in rushing TDs?
More than the highest pass rating of anyone who ever played before him?
Went 13-1 three times and won the Heisman the year they didn't go 13-1.
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So you're needing a 3rd national championship?
More than 60 rushing TDs?
A prettier throwing motion?
Prefer he'd been faster and juke more instead of running dudes over?
Maybe his teammates were too good?
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Everyone doesn't have to swoon over Tebow or pick him as the best QB ever, but any argument detailing what his career lacked is going to sound foolish.
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I viewed Tebow as a winner, apparently a leader of the team, who played well on the big stage. If I had one college game to win, I personally would choose Burrow, though he really only had the one great year, he was remarkable I thought. I think as a pure QB, he's shown in the NFL he is that as well. And to me, that counts for something.
I'm not much on such rankings and lists, they are someone's opinions, which are fine with me. This sort of thing fills the off season and gets clicks and arguments. It's akin to greatest baseball player, I'd rather just appreciate the terrific seasons and careers many of them had without trying to rank them somehow. Folks get in "heated arguments" about such things, for no real reason, it's all opinion.
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To be fair, he kept his name alive via a LOT of endorsements.
I'm not old enough to remember him as a player; he retired 5 years before I was born. I do remember him from commercials.
Also, second grade boys will snicker at that name long after we’re all dead.
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And he then kicks their asses from his grave.
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https://youtu.be/MPoI5BnKzuc
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For QB’s — GOAT
If I have stellar WR’s — Burrow.
If I have a great rushing attack — Tebow
If I had neither — Cam Newton
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He did a good job of going from the menacing, rip-your-head-off type of reputation as a player to a kinder, gentler older guy, a la George Foreman. Bubba Smith in the Police Academy movies did this as well.
But you knew, in the back of his mind, he was always hoping for someone to mug an old lady and steal her purse in front of him.
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He was not human.
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The only thing Vince Young was the best at was taking a called pass play and scrambling for a healthy ypc average.
As a QB, maybe that shouldn't be your #1 strength.
I've never seen another player given such a halo effect based on 1 game.
Meh Tim Tebow was okay at the jump pass. Nothing else very special about him. He liked to pray and give speeches I guess.
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I viewed Tebow as a winner, apparently a leader of the team, who played well on the big stage. If I had one college game to win, I personally would choose Burrow, though he really only had the one great year, he was remarkable I thought. I think as a pure QB, he's shown in the NFL he is that as well. And to me, that counts for something.
I'm not much on such rankings and lists, they are someone's opinions, which are fine with me. This sort of thing fills the off season and gets clicks and arguments. It's akin to greatest baseball player, I'd rather just appreciate the terrific seasons and careers many of them had without trying to rank them somehow. Folks get in "heated arguments" about such things, for no real reason, it's all opinion.
Agreed.
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But I see you also link NFL production as a sort of vindication. Why?
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Timmy and Vince would have made great TEs in the NFL
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also as much as I respect Tebow, I have a hard time saying he’s the best QB of all-time in college.
Vince Young is the gold standard college QB to me, Cam Newton might be the most physically gifted QB we’ve ever seen and had the greatest single season any QB ever had until Joe Burrow came along and had the best single season of any QB ever.
I’m taking one of those 3 guys over Tebow. Just am. They were all flat out better QB’s.
Yes yes and yes.
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Timmy and Vince would have made great TEs in the NFL
Heck Vince made the pro bowl. Twice. That's a darn good tight end.
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I remember all the clowns who wanted VY moved to WR...
Tebow was really good, and he had a great team around him - and one of the best coaches of all time.
VY didn't have much around him in the skill positions. He pretty much won every game on his own, including a Rose Bowl and an MNC.
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Meh Tim Tebow was okay at the jump pass. Nothing else very special about him. He liked to pray and give speeches I guess.
Ha ha.
Career Pass Rating Efficiency, All-Time (as of 2009):
1. 175.6 - Sam Bradford, OU
2. 170.8 - Tim Tebow, UF
3. 168.9 - Ryan Dinwiddie, Boise
4. 167.6 - Colt Brennan, Hawaii
5. 164.4 - Alex Smith, Utah
6. 163.6 - Danny Wuerffel, UF
7. 162.7 - Ty Detmer, BYU
8. 162.5 - Omar Jacobs, BG
9. 162.0 - Steve Sarkisian, BYU
10. 159.8 - Stefan Lefors, UL
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Career pass efficiency isn't some BS high-volume thing you luck into. As Bradford and Tebow's careers were concurrent, ole Timmy had the best career pass rating of anyone before him, ever. While rushing for more TDs than any RB in SEC history.
Why do people pretend he didn't do this? Why do they shit on his arm motion and ignore his results? Why is this list Bradford, Tebow, and a bunch of G4 QBs?
Again, I'm obviously biased. And it doesn't truly matter, it's just a fun debate. And no, everyone doesn't have to pick Tebow as their best QB ever, but maybe argue FOR a guy because arguing against TT is silly.
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Can someone make the VY argument, besides "He was so good in the RB" please?
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he was good vs Nebraska, I saw it in person
but, you're right, broken play scrambles were his biggest play
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To be fair, he kept his name alive via a LOT of endorsements.
I'm not old enough to remember him as a player; he retired 5 years before I was born. I do remember him from commercials.
Whenever we were acting up, she'd be like "We're about to play a game of Kick Butkus... and you're going to supply the Butkus."
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Tebow's worst year as a passer was better than Young's best.
I think this breaks some of your brains. Tebow - bulldozer, can't pass, funky motion, stupid 1st round pick, NFL failure.
COLLEGE football, gentlemen.
VY should have played for a triple-option school.
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VY was Texas football. They were nothing without him. That's the difference to me anyway.
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VY was Texas football. They were nothing without him. That's the difference to me anyway.
So by signing with too talented a program, Tebow knocked himself down a peg in your eyes? Meyer's only Heisman winner.
So you must REALLY hate how Heisman voters go with the 'best' player on the best team. Okay.
Florida went 9-3 with Leak.
13-1 with Leak/Tebow
35-6 with Tebow
Florida went 8-5 after Tebow.
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Texas went 11-2 with Simms.
10-3 with Mock/Young
24-1 with Young
Texas went 10-3 after Young. Hmmph.
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https://youtu.be/MPoI5BnKzuc
I like the Marv Throneberry commercial "I'm afraid if I do for Lite Beer what I did for baseball their sales might go down" Damn those were the days we just didn't know.
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Ha ha.
Career Pass Rating Efficiency, All-Time (as of 2009):
1. 175.6 - Sam Bradford, OU
2. 170.8 - Tim Tebow, UF
3. 168.9 - Ryan Dinwiddie, Boise
4. 167.6 - Colt Brennan, Hawaii
5. 164.4 - Alex Smith, Utah
6. 163.6 - Danny Wuerffel, UF
7. 162.7 - Ty Detmer, BYU
8. 162.5 - Omar Jacobs, BG
9. 162.0 - Steve Sarkisian, BYU
10. 159.8 - Stefan Lefors, UL
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Career pass efficiency isn't some BS high-volume thing you luck into. As Bradford and Tebow's careers were concurrent, ole Timmy had the best career pass rating of anyone before him, ever. While rushing for more TDs than any RB in SEC history.
Why do people pretend he didn't do this? Why do they shit on his arm motion and ignore his results? Why is this list Bradford, Tebow, and a bunch of G4 QBs?
Again, I'm obviously biased. And it doesn't truly matter, it's just a fun debate. And no, everyone doesn't have to pick Tebow as their best QB ever, but maybe argue FOR a guy because arguing against TT is silly.
I watched him play. He was fine. Overhyped by fanbois for sure.
Vince took over games and owned the field. Much netter QB.
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Dang, Dick Butkus retired in 73? My aunt was still joking about his name well into the 90s. I thought he must have at least played in the 80s.
One thing I remember about Butkus was one time he could have cleaned Brown's QB Bill Nelson's clock - but didn't.Now Nelson was a gamer think Billy Kilmer with two very bad knees and slower(if that's possible).He was actually selected for the Pro Bowl one year but ended up having 5 knee operations that caused him to retire.Anyway in a Browns/Bears Game Dick caught Nelson about 5 yds away from running out of bounds (both were hobbling really). And instead of his usual shoulder or fore arm shiv he just shoved Nelson out of bounds.The writers/reporters covering the game for the Browns later said Butkus respected him for playing in constant pain whose knees were worse than his - so a rare token of respect
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Tebow's worst year as a passer was better than Young's best.
I think this breaks some of your brains. Tebow - bulldozer, can't pass, funky motion, stupid 1st round pick, NFL failure.
COLLEGE football, gentlemen.
VY should have played for a triple-option school.
Lulz.
Vince Young is the greatest college football player of all time. Watch the games. Somebody's brain is broken and it's not mine.
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So by signing with too talented a program, Tebow knocked himself down a peg in your eyes? Meyer's only Heisman winner.
So you must REALLY hate how Heisman voters go with the 'best' player on the best team. Okay.
Florida went 9-3 with Leak.
13-1 with Leak/Tebow
35-6 with Tebow
Florida went 8-5 after Tebow.
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Texas went 11-2 with Simms.
10-3 with Mock/Young
24-1 with Young
Texas went 10-3 after Young. Hmmph.
I didn't say that.
I think VY could have played any position on a team, except OL. Just a great college football player.
Tim Tebow was no doubt a great college football player. I just think VY was a little better.
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He was a great scrambler.
If only he could have read through his progressions.....his 9.3 ypa per pass > his 6.8 ypa per rush
We'll never know.
I love arguing this, as Tebow, the much-maligned passer, was a absurdly better passer than Young. Oh, and more rushing TDs than Dorsett, Lendale White, or Jonathan Taylor.
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He was a great scrambler.
If only he could have read through his progressions.....his 9.3 ypa per pass > his 6.8 ypa per rush
We'll never know.
I love arguing this, as Tebow, the much-maligned passer, was a absurdly better passer than Young. Oh, and more rushing TDs than Dorsett, Lendale White, or Jonathan Taylor.
Yeah we saw all the 1 yard jump passes at the goal line and 1 yard rushes instead of using a fullback. It was effective for the team but not overly impressive.
Stats guys like you never get it.
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I didn't say that.
I think VY could have played any position on a team, except OL. Just a great college football player.
Tim Tebow was no doubt a great college football player. I just think VY was a little better.
Great.
Then why didn't he DO more? Especially surrounded with less talent, as you claimed.
I find myself at odds with people focused on what a guy could do, but not what he did-do. :)
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Yeah we saw all the 1 yard jump passes at the goal line and 1 yard rushes instead of using a fullback. It was effective for the team but not overly impressive.
Stats guys like you never get it.
If it was so easy, why hadn't anyone else ever done it?
I think some of you confuse the word 'quarterback' with 'scrambler.' It's the freakin' Roger Staubach thing all over again.
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If it was so easy, why hadn't anyone else ever done it?
Likely because nobody else needed to.
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Likely because nobody else needed to.
But Tebow was surrounded by so much more talent (I've been led to believe). Florida didn't have a guy to bang it in from the 1???
I love that to build Young up, the entire rest of his team has to be dragged down.
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In the 2 years after they played, both Florida and Texas had 13 players drafted in the next 2 drafts. Texas had more drafted if you go to 3 years.
Weird.
It's fun to look up stuff people say to see if it's actually the case. You learn a lot.
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So far, we're still at "he was just better."
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Yes he was just better.
Your response seems to be, "Someone on the internet has a different opinion than I do, so I'm going to throw a whiney bitch-fit about it."
Get over it.
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it's about the stats
like Emmitt
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Yes he was just better.
Your response seems to be, "Someone on the internet has a different opinion than I do, so I'm going to throw a whiney bitch-fit about it."
Get over it.
I'm just having a fun conversation. It's just a bit one-sided is all. Have fun with it. Increase your chill.
I've specified that thinking someone else was better is perfectly sound and supporting that opinion is great. It's not a prudent exercise to debate against Tebow. That's all. He sort of has resume 'scoreboard' on every dual-threat QB.
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it's about the stats
like Emmitt
So efficiency stats aren't good enough.
Emmitt's volume stats aren't good enough.
I'm starting to wonder why they keep track of any of it. :96:
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Hey, LSU RB Cecil Collins had like 500 yards rushing one year, at 9 yards a carry. I guess he's the best ever!
Still waiting for the pro-Young argument. Something like he defeated the #1 team in his CCG. Or he dominated his team's highly-ranked bitter rival. Something like that.
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So efficiency stats aren't good enough.
Emmitt's volume stats aren't good enough.
I'm starting to wonder why they keep track of any of it. :96:
Excellent question. Stats are interesting but not all that meaningful, in a team sport, where winning isn't everything-- it's the only thing.
I don't personally care much about stats at all. They never tell the entire story
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Hey, LSU RB Cecil Collins had like 500 yards rushing one year, at 9 yards a carry. I guess he's the best ever!
You're the one using stats as your sole source of truth, not the rest of us. I don't think anyone, other than you, would make that claim.
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You're the one using stats as your sole source of truth, not the rest of us. I don't think anyone, other than you, would make that claim.
But he LOOKED great! I saw him play! He was so fast and hard to tackle! Much better than any of those silly 1,000 yard rushers. C'mon, back me up on this!
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But he LOOKED great! I saw him play! He was so fast and hard to tackle! Much better than any of those silly 1,000 yard rushers. C'mon, back me up on this!
Never saw him play so you're on your own. If that's your opinion though, cool cool.
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OAM, you do realize that Marcus is trolling and baiting the fuck out of you, right? I mean, of course he’s going to think VY is a much better player, and of course you’re going to think TT is a much better player. But even I can hear him chuckling from here.
Besides, everybody knows Johnny Football was better than both, and played on a much worse team. 🤣
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Ooof. Johnny 8-ball talk on the best player thread. Now we're truly through the looking glass.
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Ooof. Johnny 8-ball talk on the best player thread. Now we're truly through the looking glass.
Brandy, she's a fine girl.
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You're the one using stats as your sole source of truth, not the rest of us. I don't think anyone, other than you, would make that claim.
So you want me to rope in the avalanche of other positives concerning Tim 3:16 Tebow? I'm not sure i have the time. :86:
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OAM, you do realize that Marcus is trolling and baiting the fuck out of you, right? I mean, of course he’s going to think VY is a much better player, and of course you’re going to think TT is a much better player. But even I can hear him chuckling from here.
Besides, everybody knows Johnny Football was better than both, and played on a much worse team. 🤣
I'm laughing along, too. It's all fun and it's early Sunday morning. The Vienna Beef joint in Glendale isn't open yet. :57:
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I'm laughing along, too. It's all fun and it's early Sunday morning. The Vienna Beef joint in Glendale isn't open yet. :57:
Be sure to get some eggs with that!
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Besides, everybody knows Johnny Football was better than both, and played on a much worse team. 🤣
Yeah, and he never got shut out by Oklahoma. :96:
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Be sure to get some eggs with that!
Now you've crossed the line! :sign0004:
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QB talk aside, the position of safety is interesting to me.
I think most of us know and acknowledge that in baseball, 2nd basemen are basically guys agile enough to play SS, but with weaker arms.
Is safety in football a similar spot? Guys who are fast, but too big or stiff to play CB? Guys who like to hit, but are too small to play LB?
Yet in high school, teams often put their best, fast player back at safety to just be free to run around and make plays.
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What I'm getting at is that it may be kind of difficult to rate a safety.
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Vince Young is the greatest college football player of all time. Watch the games. Somebody's brain is broken and it's not mine.
That's a stretch,off the top of my head Bo,Barry,Herschell,Tommy Frazier 2 NCs,Archie 2 Heismans,OJ, hell even Earl
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But didn't you watch him play?!? No one was better at tucking the ball when the first read wasn't there and getting 6-7 yards out of it! Exactly what you hope your QB does, over and over!
And he really liked playing Colorado.
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That's a stretch,off the top of my head Bo,Barry,Herschell,Tommy Frazier 2 NCs,Archie 2 Heismans,OJ, hell even Earl
VY easily better than all those guys. Even Earl.
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This is about 99% opinion, so my opinion is about as good as any. The one percent would be trolls who mention Johnny M. or somesuch.
Some Dawg fans say the best UGA player ever was Charlie Trippi. I can understand that choice while realizing he probably would be a Div III player these days. Maybe he would have bulked up.
I also think it fair to glance at NFL performance, it's another data point that can separate a "System QB" or QB on a great team or a fluke college QB who couldn't play well in the pros from the good guys. We saw QBs out of Hawaii put on terrific figures and then bomb in the League, so I think it's more data. I like more data, usually, even if it's imperfect.
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We all know to downgrade G5 QB stats on teams who pass 60% of the time. What does NFL production have to do with it? You can have a truly great player on a shit-run NFL team and he'll suck. It's such a crap shoot. You're going to rate college players by some having a lucky alignment of competent front office + good line play + an OC they can work with?!?
Good luck with that.