Everyone here will remember the CFP semi-final from eight months ago in which a sack/strip/scoop/score by Jack Sawyer turned what looked like it was about to be a 21-21 tie late into a 28-14 Ohio State win.Barf.
Barf.Thats The Ohio State
Anyway, there's NO WAY Texas can beat Ohio State!!!!
Barf.Stop it I'll take Texas - 14 Buckeyes got drafted can't stock the shelves that fast.Could be Deja Vu - all over again in '05.Good omen for you billy goats on stilts
Anyway, there's NO WAY Texas can beat Ohio State!!!!
Stop it I'll take Texas - 14 Buckeyes got drafted can't stock the shelves that fast.Could be Deja Vu - all over again in '05.Good omen for you billy goats on stiltsEh, Horns had 12 drafted, can't really play that card.
Eh, Horns had 12 drafted, can't really play that card.Sure I can not sure if you saw what Treyvon Henderson did the 1st time he touched the ball with the Patriots - went yard.Losing him and Will Howard that is a lot of seasoning D-Line seems paper thin also.Horns by 10
Gonna be a lotta fresh faces on the field on both sides. The game is in Columbus.
Which is why there is NO WAY Texas can beat the Buckeyes.
(https://i.imgur.com/G41MoI2.png)Bwarb whipping up some West Coast IPA's?
or possibly a sack/strip/scoop/scorewell, ya know inexperienced QBs
Barf.If either of the new starting quarterbacks doesn’t play fantastically, they should be benched and then shot into the sun.
Anyway, there's NO WAY Texas can beat Ohio State!!!!
Horns by 10Yup
woulda been worse 20 seasons ago - one loss could knock you out of the MNC chanceNot "woulda", was. I was at this game exactly 20 years ago and it did knock tOSU out of the MNC chase.
Yup. Now a loss in this game just reduces your team's margin of error for making the playoffs.Exactly, it is just about how many mulligans you have to give the rest of the way and seeding which apparently doesn't matter since last year's top-4 seeds each lost their CFP opener and the NC ended up being #7 vs #8.
And just like the SEC mouthpiece Finebaum says, Texas has a huge chip on its shoulder, and OSU is drunk on its national title. I think Texas comes out with their hair on fire and takes a comfortable lead. An OSU will claw its way back into a respectable final score. 27-17 bad guys.With all the turnover I'm not sure how much this applies. In the old days you'd have had a LOT of starters on the Texas team that were major contributors in the loss in January and sure they'd likely have chips on their shoulders. Then you'd have had a LOT of starters on the tOSU team that were major contributors in the January win and NC and sure, they might be 'drunk on their NC' but turnover is higher than ever so for a LOT of the starters on both sides this will be the first time they've seen this opponent.
I lean to thinking these elite level QBs already have a ton of "real" experience these days, granted high level HS is not like high level college, but the pressure is present there. These guys come in in the spring, then practice all summer, then fall camp, my GUESS is they are a lot better prepared than they would have been in 1990, or 2000. The OCs may give them a simplified game plan, a shortened list of audibles to call, but if the team around them is elite, I think they can mostly avoid stupid mistakes and play quite well.With that said, there is still no substitute for real high-level college competition and nobody really knows how Arch Manning and whoever ends up starting at QB for the Buckeyes are going to perform. If one hits the ground running and looks like a Hypesman contender while the other has some freshman struggles then this could easily be a blowout either way. OTOH, if both look like Hypesmans or both look like freshmen then this is probably a close game, all else being equal (or reasonably close thereto).
He doesn't consider Texas to be a real SEC team, which is fine because Texas is not a real SEC team, and never will be.And that my friends is why Texas and OU to the SEC was never a good idea.
Finebaum is perhaps no worse than some other "experts" on TV and radio. I doubt he even views himself as an expert on games. Maybe he does.That indicates you tuned him in,you're getting fined a 6 Pk of Live Oak Pilz payable to 94
To me, he's boring and predictable, I tune him out.
That indicates you tuned him in,you're getting fined a 6 Pk of Live Oak Pilz payable to 94I come across him briefly at times, and years ago I was interested in understanding who he was, so I watched his show for maybe five minutes.
He's no good but he's also hard to avoid down here if you pay attention to college football (everyone does).He's an entertainer, evidently a good one. We get far far far better analysis around here, but most of us here are actual fans of the game. We don't have patience for entertainers disguised as "pundits". A lot of entertainers are popular of course that I don't like.
I kind of strayed from my question, but what would the ideal conference for Texas be?the Southwest conference
And that my friends is why Texas and OU to the SEC was never a good idea.
I kind of strayed from my question, but what would the ideal conference for Texas be?I agree with FF, the SWC was the ideal conference for Texas to be in. Short of Supermanning the world backwards 40 years, that's not gonna happen, so the SEC is the logical choice based on regional proximity.
https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/1951778801287057706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1951778801287057706%7Ctwgr%5Ec815440bac72582fc1f04fcacb77faf3e0bba050%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FCFBONFOX%2Fstatus%2F1951778801287057706It is a big game, but "biggest opener ever"? I think not. It just isn't possible for a game to be as big in the 12-team CFP era as some regular season games were back in the BCS and pre-BCS era.
As per the game, let's imagine OSU kicks a last second FG and wins 27-24. What does it mean? Basically, that the teams were evenly matched, unless the internal stats show one dominated but lost TOs. So, logically, Texas might drop to #2, but we know they'd drop to 5 or 6, after going on the road and playing "#1" even.This has been a pet peeve of mine for years. This is #1 at #3 so if tOSU wins on a late FG there is an argument that Texas should not only not drop to #5 or #6 but they shouldn't drop at all. A late FG is within the usual allowance for HFA so you could argue that Texas should stay #1. They won't and if Ohio State loses a close one at home they'll drop more than they probably should as well.
It is a big game, but "biggest opener ever"? I think not. It just isn't possible for a game to be as big in the 12-team CFP era as some regular season games were back in the BCS and pre-BCS era.Hey it's not MY conference's network making this claim, it's YOURs. Take it up with the B1G League Office. ;)
Look at 2005:
In the pre-bowl poll USC (12-0) was #1, Texas (12-0) was #2, Penn State (10-1) was #3, and Ohio State (9-2) was #4. If you flip the result of the tOSU/TX game, the Longhorns probably don't go to the BCSNCG. I don't know how the BCS would have sorted out that mess of TX, PSU, and tOSU all being 1-loss teams with PSU>tOSU>TX but PSU had a "bad" loss to #20 Michigan (7-4).
In this day and age, the loser still controls their own destiny to the NC so it just isn't as big as it used to be.
Honest question:Win. Always win. I don't put much stock in any sort of "revenge factor" motivation.
If Ohio State and Texas end up meeting in the CFP, lets say in the CG, would you rather that your team won or lost the season opener?
Win. Always win. I don't put much stock in any sort of "revenge factor" motivation.I do remember something like that but it wasn't me who posted it. I don't have a good way to search for rematches. From Ohio State's perspective I know of two postseason rematches of regular season games:
Plus, haven't you at one time before, posted up stats that show the rematch tends to favor the original winner anyway? I vaguely recall that from some time in the past.
Teams that play twice in a season more often end up 2-0 than 1-1. It's science. Or history. Or somethin.Yeah I guess it was you, CD, that posted up those stats.
Just sayin' ////
Teams that play twice in a season more often end up 2-0 than 1-1. It's science. Or history. Or somethin.Knock it off Julian
Just sayin' ////
I don't disagree with the basic idea, but it doesn't really matter whether it's a "good idea" or not. In 2025 the idea of "conference fit" is archaic and anachronistic.I was late to the college football party, my fandom started after the SWC had dissolved. That being said, looking back, the SWC struck me as very weak, especially on the national scale. A bunch of Texas school, and Arkansas. Sure, Texas was a true blue blood, and Arkansas was very close to being a blue blood 40-50 years ago ( or at least it seemed to me that Arkansas was once a very prestigious program until the 1990's). A&M was good in the 80's/early 90's, but were atrocious from the late 1950's to the early 80's. We did have a few good seasons in the 70's.
The fact is that the B12's TV contracts just weren't good enough anymore, to keep Texas and OU media money even roughly close to the teams in the B1G and SEC. There were only two choices available to Texas, and the SEC was the more logical one because of simple geography.
And for the SEC, it was a no-brainer to add two more blue blood brands, especially given the consolidation moves expected from the B1G at the time. Rutgers and Maryland and USC and UCLA and Washington and Oregon being in the B1G, make even less sense, but it's a new world order we're living with now in college football.
I agree with FF, the SWC was the ideal conference for Texas to be in. Short of Supermanning the world backwards 40 years, that's not gonna happen, so the SEC is the logical choice based on regional proximity.
The old Big 8 was pretty powerful often as not. I get them mixed up with the SWC, who was where.The 1971 final AP football poll ranked Nebraska as #1 with a perfect 13-0 record. Oklahoma finished second with an 11-1 record, followed by Colorado (10-2), Alabama (11-1), and Penn State (11-1). The top 5 were rounded out by Michigan (11-1), Georgia (11-1), Arizona State (11-1), Tennessee (10-2), and Stanford (9-3).
The old Big 8 was pretty powerful often as not. I get them mixed up with the SWC, who was where.Again, this is only my perception as somebody who never watched or followed CFB until 1996. The Big 8, to me, seemed as if it was OU/NU 98% and then maybe CU/oSu/Mizzou the rest of the time. Kansas/Kansas St/Iowa St were perennial losers. The only difference between the SWC and the Big 8 is that at least OU and Nebraska competed well at the national level in bowl games and MNC and the "other" schools were big* state schools, not small private schools like Baylor, SMU, and TCU.
Again, this is only my perception as somebody who never watched or followed CFB until 1996. The Big 8, to me, seemed as if it was OU/NU 98% and then maybe CU/oSu/Mizzou the rest of the time. Kansas/Kansas St/Iowa St were perennial losers. The only difference between the SWC and the Big 8 is that at least OU and Nebraska competed well at the national level in bowl games and MNC and the "other" schools were big* state schools, not small private schools like Baylor, SMU, and TCU.I looked up the conference championship records for the Big 8/Big 6 years ago. I was stunned that it was almost all Neb/OU, and in the years where it was not all OU/NU it was shared with NU/OU and one of oSu/CU/Mizzou. At least in the SWC you had a lot of different schools winning the conference at different times along the way. The Big 12 almost devolved to that with OU in the last 20 or so years, I think OU won like 80% of all the conference championships after 2000 or something. It was crazy.
I was late to the college football party, my fandom started after the SWC had dissolved. That being said, looking back, the SWC struck me as very weak, especially on the national scale. A bunch of Texas school, and Arkansas. Sure, Texas was a true blue blood, and Arkansas was very close to being a blue blood 40-50 years ago ( or at least it seemed to me that Arkansas was once a very prestigious program until the 1990's). A&M was good in the 80's/early 90's, but were atrocious from the late 1950's to the early 80's. We did have a few good seasons in the 70's.
I know that at one time Baylor was much better, but they were so bad in the first dozen or so years of the Big 12 it's hard for me to ever imagine them as anything other than perennial losers, even though their football program is much improved the last 10-15 years.
SMU was worse than Baylor for the same time period, only program ever to get the death penalty.
Texas Tech-never won the SWC, they're so bad over the last 50 years they make A&M look good.
UH....just as likely to go 0-12 any given year as they are to go 11-1 or whatever. Very jeckyl and hyde.
TCU.....just about the only program to come out better from the post-SWC than anybody else. I always felt they were imposters, a good team that benefitted from a weak schedule. After they joined the Big 12, I checked a few times and they had a losing record in the Big 12 despite playing a much weaker conference than the one that existed from 1996-2011.
Again, the only way I have to judge the old SWC is by the perception of their teams 20-30 years after it folded. And by those standards it was a terrible conference.
I don't think the SEC would ever admit Texas.Yup zero chance of that happening.
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want to see more flag panting in Columbus. Let's go boys! Hook 'Em.
This has jinx written all over it.nah. Julian Sayin is 5 ft tall and has a wet noodle arm. I think the streak remains intact.
https://twitter.com/orangebloods_/status/1957836867153399863
This has jinx written all over it.This just seems like a completely meaningless stat. I'd guess that the vast majority of those first-time starters against the #1 team were starters for some body-bag opponent where the point-spread was 4+ TDs and it make absolutely no difference who the starting QB was.
https://twitter.com/orangebloods_/status/1957836867153399863
This just seems like a completely meaningless stat. I'd guess that the vast majority of those first-time starters against the #1 team were starters for some body-bag opponent where the point-spread was 4+ TDs and it make absolutely no difference who the starting QB was.Agree. It's the offseason. What are ya gonna do??
Nubbz is gonna post that all over the place 5 minutes before kickoffAin't gonna make any difference because
Ain't gonna make any difference becauseI wouldn't be too worried honestly. If Ohio State couldn't beat a walk-on named Davis f**king Warren throwing for 62 yards on 9 of 17 with 2 INT's and 0 Tuddies in their own house- hard for me to see them beating a legitimate up and coming superstar in Arch Manning.
THERE IS NO WAY TEXAS CAN BEAT OHIO STATE
I wouldn't be too worried honestly. If Ohio State couldn't beat a walk-on named Davis f**king Warren throwing for 62 yards on 9 of 17 with 2 INT's and 0 Tuddies in their own house- hard for me to see them beating a legitimate up and coming superstar in Arch Manning.I like the way you're thinking...
Oh and Julian Sayin is still 5 feet tall with a wet noodle for an arm.
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THERE IS NO WAY TEXAS CAN BEAT OHIO STATE
Big Noon Kickoff is in Columbus for Saturday’s massive showdown against the Ohio State Buckeyes and Texas Longhorns. However, one of the show’s newly acquired personalities will reportedly not be allowed inside the stadium when the show moves in from campus.is Ohio State seriously barring him from the stadium? Talk about a thin skinned bitch move....JFC they are soft as baby shit :043:
According to Ryan Glasspiegel of FOS, Barstool founder Dave Portnoy is “barred” from Ohio Stadium. While he is still slated to appear on the show earlier in the day, when the likes of Rob Stone and Urban Meyer get inside the building as the atmosphere builds, Portnoy cannot follow them in.
“Ohio State is barring Barstool Sports from campus and its founder Dave Portnoy from entering Ohio Stadium for the school’s huge opening-week matchup against Texas on Saturday, sources told Front Office Sports,” Glasspiegel said. “Portnoy will still appear on Fox’s Big Noon Kickoff, but not for the end of the show inside the stadium, a source said.”
Portnoy is quite vocal on social media when it comes to supporting Ohio State’s biggest rival, the Michigan Wolverines. He attended the university and has remained incredibly royal. Tweets about the rivalry are incredibly common from Portnoy, especially as Michigan currently owns a four-game winning streak against Ohio State.
I'm considering banning any mention of Portnoy on these boards.Sounds like a complaint to me. I still don't know, or care, who he is.
Lots of other assholes to talk about, other than the biggest one.
I'm considering banning any mention of Portnoy on these boards.I’m not sure who made that decision to ban him from the stadium, but I’m sure the players couldn’t care less.
Lots of other assholes to talk about, other than the biggest one.
I'm considering banning any mention of Portnoy on these boards.Sounds completely made up. Which I guess is on brand for Michigan.
Lots of other assholes to talk about, other than the biggest one.
is Ohio State seriously barring him from the stadium? Talk about a thin skinned bitch move....JFC they are soft as baby shit :043:Class move banning that yodeling roach who bloviated how they not only got away with cheating but that 20 million fine is ash tray money as he blew smoke from his cigar into the camera. As if to say we couldn't build a legacy but creeps like me will buy one. Sad but expected
how pathetic....
Looks like this was just a ploy to generate clicks. Bjork confirmed that he is not banned. Fox just simply decided not to include him as a part of the main desk.That's too bad. Woulda been funny if he were actually banned.
me eitherYou get a Yuengling FF
if he doesn't have a job to do inside the stadium, I'd tell him he needs a ticket to get in
That's too bad. Woulda been funny if he were actually banned.Now you understand the trolls we've had to deal with and up until covid they won twice in the century.That's charmin soft
Anyway, plenty of threads for Michigan-OSU talk. This one is for Texas-OSU talk.
Now you understand the trolls we've had to deal with and up until covid they won twice in the century.That's charmin softDon't care. Take it to the Michigan-tOSU thread.
Don't care. Take it to the Michigan-tOSU thread.We don't have any of those.
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so, How bout dem Longhorns????Should have a good season, but gonna lose this weekend in Columbus. I think it'll be relatively close.
Don't care. Take it to the Michigan-tOSU thread.Well you can always have Mdolt banned and that's a chance I'm willing to take. He persistes on introducing a note of discord with the consistently calm,cool and collected Columbus crowd. :D
Well you can always have Mdolt banned and that's a chance I'm willing to take. He persistes on introducing a note of discord with the consistently calm,cool and collected Columbus crowd. :Dban me like Portnoy baby. the ohio soft way. :)
Oh and Horns by 10
My wife's friend is having a 90th this weekend in Cincy, so I will be unable to watch much of anything. She keeps making excuses for why he is her friend, he and his wife did some nice things for her a million years ago, got it. He's THE most annoying person I have to tolerate a few times a decade. So, no CFB for me. We are not amused.I have to say, this might be the first time I have ever seen you speak negatively about a person, which means this person must be a real piece of work. Probably most annoying because it's opening weekend, weather is still nice and there's just something fun about week one. Sorry for the bad luck.
They raise award-winning cattle. You could BBQ and eat Bevo I suppose, UT has done it before, but the Longhorn breed is tough and stringy, and Bevo's usually pretty old when he's retired, which makes it even worse.Pretty near what youse guys said in August '05 when we were lobbing compliments back/forth'
Iowa cattle are far tastier. Just ask Fearless.
I doubt BEVO eats much good cornI doubt it, that's a pretty long roadtrip for a regular season game.
His the ballless beast making the trip to CBus?
See? Despite the 2-2 record, all of those very unbiased facts demonstrate that tOSU dominates the series.Look UT beat M on the road who beat tOSU on the road,we're doomed. Bevo by 10 over a squad that had 14 of 16 starters went to the Sunday league the two others either free agents or went to work
Ohio State 17FIFY, plus NFL pedigree in Manning and the visitor has won on the road in this Match Up.So kindly pick up after youselves and don't rub it in too much.Like the skunk weasels who have won 2 outright NCs in 75 yrs and cheated for one of those
Texas 27
Maybe next year in Austin.
The team that makes the fewest mistakes wins.The team that scores the most points win.
I don’t really have a rooting interest in Texas, but it seemed like last year, a lot of the best teams had quarterbacks who were solid enough, but often not that fun or impressive.Well I'm with you on that. I hope he becomes one of the great ones, wouldn't that be fun?
A part of me hopes Arch can be that.
Tough to predict this game so early in the season, but OSU has a lot to overcome.I mentioned this in one of the other threads, big hole left from the draft and graduation.O-Line is suppose to be fine,not sure myself.With the new RBs can they keep the heat off of Smith by establishing the run.Carnell Tate should be alright at the other WR.If tOSU can't run the UT will pin their ears back.
There's a couple huge question marks. How will the O-line be and the running game. We can say what we want about stars and talent and hype, but they are replacing a crazy talented backfield from a year ago.
I think Texas wins by 10, unless Caleb Downs and the defense can force some key turnovers.
26 players from the last time these 2 teams met, are now on NFL rosters.Great point. Lot of turnover and new faces for both these teams, 26 players is half an nfl team roster.
We have no idea how the new versions will look.
Not really the Manning's have had enough fun on the field of play thru the yearsMeh, same could be said of the Buckeyes.
Meh, same could be said of the Buckeyes.well, they haven't had much fun end of November....
Belushi advising Mdoltlike my new nickname, has a nice ring to it. And you can bet your ass I'll be drinking heavily Saturday, as college football will officially be back and that's worthy of a celebratory drink. or ten.
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Things that make you go hmmm...The people who right this crap actually believe it. Thats the crazy part.
https://twitter.com/secnumbersguy/status/1960838714479010187
The people who right this crap actually believe it. Thats the crazy part.
I don't know, the math seems sound to me... :57:😂😂. Stop with using the facts. It hurts.
😂😂. Stop with using the facts. It hurts.Well the obvious counterpoint is-- Ohio State's record against the SEC since 2024, is 2-0.
Well the obvious counterpoint is-- Ohio State's record against the SEC since 2024, is 2-0.Or that maybe the counterpoint is that a guy whose team is 3-8-1 against Vanderbilt shouldn't throw stones :57:
Or that maybe the counterpoint is that a guy whose team is 3-8-1 against Vanderbilt shouldn't throw stones :57:Or maybe the counterpoint is that an engineer who's trying to quote statistical facts in an effort to put someone in his place, should make an attempt to at least get them correct.
I don't know, the math seems sound to me... :57:Is this why Tennessee came to the Shoe in December thinking it's going to be a breeze?
Degenerate gamblers don't know anything.Yep. As my old bookie friend said, if bettors are moving the line, take the other side. The oddsmakers are usually right more often than the betting public.
11:37 tee timeI saved the tee time for tomorrow.
was hoping for rain, dammit
Geez, just scrolling SM and they're ripping Arch. I thought he played kinda rough....like a new starter in a big game at a hostile venue. Still made some great plays, I think he will grow a lot.well that's twitter for ya. Arch is getting roasted on the twitters.
https://twitter.com/FlaggSZN/status/1961849826410181071
lotta pressure for a kid like ArchThe amount of pressure of being:
he will play better going forward
The amount of pressure of being:agreed. have no doubts he'll get better.Yeah, he'll get better
- A first time starter
- For the #1 team in the country
- In a marquee game with EVERYONE watching, GameDay there for Corso's farewell, Big Noon there, etc
- On the road
- Having a last name that makes everyone expect you to be Archie, Peyton, Eli all rolled into one
The amount of pressure of being:It's hard to give a shit about most of this. He actually wasn't a first time starter, he's started two other games previously in his career at Texas, and had significant playing time in 3 other games as well.Yeah, he'll get better
- A first time starter
- For the #1 team in the country
- In a marquee game with EVERYONE watching, GameDay there for Corso's farewell, Big Noon there, etc
- On the road
- Having a last name that makes everyone expect you to be Archie, Peyton, Eli all rolled into one
https://twitter.com/42Cyc/status/1961841397662691429Yeah all the Texas fans who thought Arch would have been the better starter last year, and that Steve Sarkisian doesn't know anything about quarterbacks.
https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1961873514010399197
Buckeye defense was on a heater on the back end, so he will have better days. But it did seem like he just straight up missed a handful of throws.
He just failed badly. I hope he gets better because he's all we have.
Yeah all the Texas fans who thought Arch would have been the better starter last year, and that Steve Sarkisian doesn't know anything about quarterbacks.Michigan fan base is the same a lot of times. The highly rated HS recruit backup QB is always the most popular guy on the team.
Ummm, sure. Fucking morons.
Buckeye defense was on a heater on the back end, so he will have better days. But it did seem like he just straight up missed a handful of throws.yeah Ohio St will have a top tier D again and Columbus is a TOUGH place to play.
yeah Ohio St will have a top tier D again and Columbus is a TOUGH place to play.Texas had more yards rushing and passing then Ohio St
having said all that- I still expected more out of Arch considering his recruit ranking, the flashes he's shown in the previous 2 seasons as a fill-in and part-time starter in a few games, and of course the last name and all the hype.
Texas had more yards rushing and passing then Ohio StYeah the Bucks had barely 200 yards of offense. No reason to panic
We lost by 7 points and our QB had a bad day
The fans need to understand that the team they saw today wont be near as good as the Texas team at seasons end
Its gonna be a great season and a NC is still out there to be had
Buckeye defense was on a heater on the back end, so he will have better days. But it did seem like he just straight up missed a handful of throws.Arch was terrible on his own. He missed a lot and he'll face plenty of other good defenses.
Texas had more yards rushing and passing then Ohio St
We lost by 7 points and our QB had a bad day
The fans need to understand that the team they saw today wont be near as good as the Texas team at seasons end
Its gonna be a great season and a NC is still out there to be had
I don't accept this. The same can be said of Ohio State. This was pretty much a disaster of an outing.You are way overreacting. Its not time to fall on your sword
The team looked basically the same as they did against Ohio State last season, against Georgia twice last season, and against Washington the year before. They haven't won one of these, against an elite team, since Alabama 2023. And that's not good enough.
Arch is gonna be fine. He won't be playing Ohio State's D again, any time before a potential playoff match.he's got shit to clean up, as do most in week 1. needs to slow it down a bit, clean up the footwork and mechanics a bit, but I agree 100%. the talent is there anyone with eye balls can see it- and he's shown enough flashes. doubt he'll have another performance that poor again, look for him to bounce back in a big way next week vs San Jose State in a get right game.
take this throw for example...guy is wide open....might score a TD if Arch steps up into the throw and delivers it on target. And he had the TE wide open on the backside for a TD if he even looks- but doesn'tTE ,He clearly couldn't see him & would be looking back across with the whole gaggle of O & D lineman in the way.Now on a called timing - misdirection pattern perhaps.Lots of if ands or buts in real time and they had one more shot and didn't convert.Sayin missed and open Smith and dumped it off to the TE who would muff it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.Now Smith had two drops - i saw the one but I'd take the chance he goes yard is sayin saw him.But Arch had a bad day overall.
He was pretty terrible. So many self-inflicted poor throws that had nothing to do with pressure or the defense.yeah he's got to be hurt, because the way he was throwing the ball all side arm and limp wristed and not stepping up into the throw and climbing mostly clean pockets and just ripping it over head really left my head scratching....
But upon rewatching the "every pass attempt" and some other highlights (lowlights), it looks to me like he has a shoulder injury. Zero zip on the ball and many times using that strange sidearm delivery.
My i s c & a aggie wife who is an extremely accomplished Physical Therapist watched some of the lowlights with me today and without any prompting just said, "Did they talk about his shoulder injury at all?" And I said, "What? No. Nobody mentioned a shoulder injury." And she said, "He's not throwing overhand. That looks to me like he's either consciously or subconsciously protecting an injured shoulder, like the rotator cuff or labrum."
That would at least explain some of why he threw so many ducks that looked nothing like anything he's done before.
if Sark and his staff didn't know it,...........already hitting the brewskies?
they're not smart
Fearless is in a perpetual state of drunkenness. It's why he's such an ornery contrarian pot stirrer.I'm agreeing with you again, damn it!
I'm agreeing with you again, damn it!It's okay, we're making up for it by completely disagreeing on the USC/UCLA thing. ;)
Hurt shoulder or not, I've thought about it and I feel that @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) is definitely overreacting for a number of reasons:Arch sucked, the Texas coaches sucked, and there's not a lot to be hopeful about. Texas is now 0-4 against the two elites teams they've played in the last 11 months.
First:
This isn't 1995 (pre-BCS), nor 2005 (BCS), nor 2015 (4-team CFP). This is 2025 with a 12-team CFP so one loss is "meh" not "OMG our Championship dreams are toast".
Second:
Texas outgained Ohio State by about 1.5:1. Their defense held the #3 team in the country and defending NC to barely over 200 yards and just 14 points.
Third:
Texas made a LOT of correctible mistakes that severely impacted the score including:
- Ohio State's first TD was courtesy of two big defensive penalties that kept the drive going.
- Ohio State's second TD came off the INT.
- Texas had a Safety taken off the board by a Defensive penalty.
Fourth :
Texas ran a LOT better than Ohio State overall. Ohio State was oddly better when they had to be (ie, and-goal situations, fourth downs) but Texas' backs averaged 4.0 and 5.0 while Ohio State's averaged 2.0 and 3.5.
Fundamentally, Ohio State won because they made a few more 'gotta-have-them' plays. The Buckeyes got inside the 25 once and got a TD. Texas got inside the 10 twice and came away with zero points.
Texas should feel like they could have won this and in the old days* that feeling SUCKED because your NC dreams died in a flaming pile of woulda coulda shouldas but in 2025 they are still very much a factor in the NC chase.
*Old days like 2005 when Ohio State got to the edge of FG range when a FG would have made it a two-score game and pretty much iced it but came up empty and lost.
Then Sark might have to run the table or 99.9% of it and look good doing it to save his skinMaybe so. Tough to give a shit right now.
Maybe so. Tough to give a shit right now.clearly overrated atm but what manning isn't. the others all got it done before the end of their college careers. that may be the best defense he'll face all yr & he had to do it in his first career start.
clearly overrated atm but what manning isn't. the others all got it done before the end of their college careers. that may be the best defense he'll face all yr & he had to do it in his first career start.Just FYI, it wasn't his first career start, he started two last year while Ewers was injured and he had significant playing time in a couple of others.
I'm not concerned that Texas is going to crater and go 6-6 or something. But I am concerned that Texas has proven incapable of winning at the level that is required to win championships and be an elite team.I can relate to that feeling (not lately but I've certainly been there) but I think this puts too much emphasis on Texas as opposed to the elites that they are 0-4 against in the last 11 months. Georgia and Ohio State are REALLY good teams, no team consistently beats teams THAT good.
I can relate to that feeling (not lately but I've certainly been there) but I think this puts too much emphasis on Texas as opposed to the elites that they are 0-4 against in the last 11 months. Georgia and Ohio State are REALLY good teams, no team consistently beats teams THAT good.But you're just restating what I already said. You're essentially saying Texas isn't elite enough to expect to beat those elite teams.
Just FYI, it wasn't his first career start, he started two last year while Ewers was injured and he had significant playing time in a couple of others.ya now that you correct me i remember it so ty. i think the overall point is the same though relative to his inexperience.
But it was certainly his first career start against an elite team.
Just clarifying since I've seen this stated a bunch and it's not technically correct.
And nobody is expecting to consistently beat those two teams. But Texas is 0 for 4. That's the opposite.Methinks you're extrapolating too much from a sample size too small.
do you disagree?lol. Contrarian but honest and a reasonable contrarian. We all need those in life.
yes, been pounding Budweisers on the golf course since 10am
ya now that you correct me i remember it so ty. i think the overall point is the same though relative to his inexperience.Agree, Arch's experience in prior games against teams like Colorado State and Mississippi State did not do much to prepare him for this one. What was strange though, was that even without pressure and with open receivers downfield several times, his footwork and his arm mechanics looked completely wrecked. That is absolutely NOT how he looked last year or throughout the spring and summer drills. His mechanics were always quite good. This is what makes me speculate he might be injured.
he may not be an all timer but sark appears to be a good coach capable of winning big imo.
Methinks you're extrapolating too much from a sample size too small.You been watching the Mrs. skin care commericials?
Methinks you're extrapolating too much from a sample size too small.Maybe so. I just see the same patterns in every game against an elite team, and the same losses.
Maybe so. I just see the same patterns in every game against an elite team, and the same losses.Yes, and also discounting the 6 wins over then-ranked teams last year.
ETA: I realize these are first-world problems and Texas fans aren't going to get any sympathy. Just talking about my own personal observations and feelings on these topics.
Yes, and also discounting the 6 wins over then-ranked teams last year.Ohio State had a long period of having major RZ problems on both sides of the ball and the Buckeyes are now in the midst (I hope it continues) of a period of being extraordinarily good in the RZ.
And while two of those losses were two-score games, Texas took Georgia to OT in the CCG last year and had the ball with the opportunity to tie OSU at the end of the game on Saturday--a game where they twice took chances deep in OSU territory to go on 4th down instead of settling for a FG or it might have been an even closer final score...
Yes, and also discounting the 6 wins over then-ranked teams last year.Again I'm not saying Texas can't be good, and beat good teams, and finish in the Top 10.
And while two of those losses were two-score games, Texas took Georgia to OT in the CCG last year and had the ball with the opportunity to tie OSU at the end of the game on Saturday--a game where they twice took chances deep in OSU territory to go on 4th down instead of settling for a FG or it might have been an even closer final score...
Right. Not elite. Not good enough. And no reason to think anything will be different going forward. This is what Sarkisian does, this is who he is.
That RZ issue was the difference in both of these Texas/Ohio State games. Texas ran MUCH better overall but they got inside the 10 twice and came away with zero points. Ohio State didn't run well AT ALL overall but when they got in close, they closed the deal.
And I'll add, I'm not saying Texas should fire Sarkisian. He's about 1000x better than the previous two coaches plus the final 3 years under Mack Brown. I don't even know who Texas could realistically hire that would be better.I just have a couple things to say then I can move on.
I just think Sark has hit his ceiling. Without some generational talent like Vince Young or something, this is as good as it's going to get for Texas under Sark. And 98% of the programs out there would love to trade places with Texas.
Methinks you're extrapolating too much from a sample size too small.Ok fine, Sark has four straight losses to 'elite' teams and Day has a bunch of consecutive wins over elite teams. I'd LOVE it if Day's run continued indefinitely but I don't think it will. Day didn't suck when he lost to Michigan and he isn't invincible now that he has five consecutive wins over top-7 AP teams:
To me, that isn't "not good enough to play those guys", that is coming up a little big short and the result will be different in other games.Texas is good enough to not get blown out by elite teams. Yes indeed. But after going 0-5 in the last 5 games against elite teams, especially due to the same terrible redzone offense in each and every one of those games, I think it's fair to say there should be no expectation of the result being different in other games.
Just FYI, it wasn't his first career start, he started two last year while Ewers was injured and he had significant playing time in a couple of others.I hear you on this one.
But it was certainly his first career start against an elite team.
Just clarifying since I've seen this stated a bunch and it's not technically correct.
I hear you on this one.this is all fair and valid points. And the fact that he's a junior is why the poor footwork, mechanics, and Arch just not seeing things that well is very disappointing. you just expected more from him considering his background and considering he's had some time to get some seasoning and experience the last 2 years in live games and has had a couple starts before and has went through 3 spring balls and 3 training camps with the same HC and same offensive system.
Everyone is acting like he's some hotshot freshman recruit, straight out of HS.
Dude's a freaking Junior.
Every HC needs a good rant on record. Gundy has I'm a man, I'm 40. Dennis Green has They are who we thought they were. Jim Mora has PLAYOFFS!? And Day has Lou Holtz.nothing screams toughness like being a middle aged man with bad beard dye in a constant beef/blood feud with a senile 129 year old man with alzheimer's who's on deaths door.
Is this thread needed anymore? I mean, we're pretty far past postgame.yes. how else am I going to poke the bear?