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The Power Four => Big Ten => Topic started by: Big Beef Tacosupreme on July 17, 2025, 11:02:54 AM
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Hi ladies and gents, it has been awhile. Gonna be brief because I'm a busy man.
Offense:
RB: A very deep and talented RB room, with potentially two high draft picks in Singleton and Allen. They've been around forever, but Penn State also has a very talented group of underclassman that will probably shoulder more of the load this season. Should be among the best in the country. GRADE: A
Offensive Line: This will probably be Penn State's best offensive line sine 1994. Last year's offensive line was dominant, and Penn State returns 4 starters from that squad. The unit is very deep, with plenty of experience. Most publications have PSU's OLine ranked as the best in the B1G, with Athlon ranking them the 2nd best line in the country. GRADE: A
Wide Receivers: In 2024, the lions had their worst wide receiver room since the early 2000s. Famously, this unit did not record a single reception in the orange bowl. However, PSU has hit the portal hard, adding Kyron Hudson (USC), Devonte Ross (Troy), and Trebor Pena (Syracuse). All 3 of these wide receivers should be an upgrade over their 2024 counterparts. Interestingly, PFF now ranks the PSU wide receiver room as one of the best in the nation, as they earned an "honorable mention" when discussing the best 10 units in the country. This unit is still hard to grade, but if you forced me to - GRADE: B-
Tight Ends: Are you ready for a crazy stat? Penn State currently has 8 tight ends on NFL Rosters. Yes, Penn State loses Tyler Warren, but the room is deep and very, very talented. Luke Reynolds and Kahlil Dinkins got a lot of experience last year, and looked really, really good. In addition, Andrew Rappleyea returns from injury. GRADE: B
Quarterback: Drew Allar returns, but losing Beau Pribula in the playoffs was a huge blow. Beau is going to be amazing at Missouri. As for Allar, there's not much to say that hasn't been said. He has improved every year, so we are hoping that continues. Who knows, maybe having some actual wide receivers to throw to could be good for him? A lot of people have Drew as a first round pick, or perhaps even the first QB taken in the draft. I do think he will be better, but I'm not prepared to go that far. GRADE: B+
Hopefully I'll have time for the defense later.
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Howdy BBTZ.
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Welcome back! Looking forward to the Defense review.
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all I gotta say is Frames Janklin better get it done this year.
he’s got the senior QB returning for his 4th year starting, a cupcake schedule, an excellent experienced 1-2 RB duo, added the porthole WR from Syracuse, and they return a good deal on defense and added Jim Knowles one of the best DC’s in the game.
Buddy has zero excuses to not win the B1G and make it to the national title game imo. If he doesn’t do it this year he never will imo.
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BBTS, DaFuq where ya been??? and Hawk's still > than Posluszny 😎
all I gotta say is Frames Janklin better get it done this year.
as long as he doesn't follow Harbaugh's hairbrained formula
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BBTS, DaFuq where ya been??? and Hawk's still > than Posluszny 😎
as long as he doesn't follow Harbaugh's hairbrained formula
Or he could follow Ryan Day’s formula and just lose to Michigan every year. :)
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RD won by 29 before massive head wound Harbaugh hired pervs and snakes Weiss & Stallions that started slithering about.
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RD won by 29 before massive head wound Harbaugh hired pervs and snakes Weiss & Stallions that started slithering about.
with Urbz team. what his record with his own team? (O-H-AND-4!)
now back to regular scheduled programming and PSU talk not Michigan-OSU :)
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Not for long - it's happening, enjoy the phony annointing before it all swirls the drain. And what a shitty class that left right after look up their lofty accomplishments and hardware. our lady of the unfortunates could field a better NFL squad. :D
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Not for long - it's happening, enjoy the phony annointing before it all swirls the drain. And what a shitty class that left right after look up their lofty accomplishments and hardware. our lady of the unfortunates could field a better NFL squad. :D
brother they were all rookies in the nfl and few of them like JJ and Corum were hurt almost all of their rookie year. you really suggesting you can judge a draft class based on a rookie year? Wtf ??
not to mention lot of 2025 draftees like Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Colston Loveland, and Kenneth Grant were starters on those 2022 & 2023 teams and have yet to play in the NFL.
how’s Aidan Hutchinson who absolutely dominated Ohio State’s offensive line in the 2021 game in Ann Arbor doing in the nfl? Hint: REALLY f’ng good :)
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All threads become Michigan-Ohio Sate threads on this message board...
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All threads become Michigan-Ohio Sate cheaters vs non cheaters threads on this message board...
FIFY
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All threads become Michigan-Ohio Sate threads on this message board...
why do you think the rest of the B1G hates Ohio State and Michigan....lol.
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brother they were all rookies in the nfl and few of them like JJ and Corum were hurt almost all of their rookie year. you really suggesting you can judge a draft class based on a rookie year? Wtf ??
not to mention lot of 2025 draftees like Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Colston Loveland, and Kenneth Grant were starters on those 2022 & 2023 teams and have yet to play in the NFL.
how’s Aidan Hutchinson who absolutely dominated Ohio State’s offensive line in the 2021 game in Ann Arbor doing in the nfl? Hint: REALLY f’ng good
good so far you're 1 for two drafts and as you will soon see what the NCAA has confirmed that he was positioned in just right place to help pad those stats
there is a more telling/accurate metric I went to Sporting News(https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/michigan-players-drafted-2024-nfl-draft-jj-mccarthy-corum/dd8ceec9eea205f378110acd) and reviewed all of M's list of NFL Draftees following their "Legendary Season". I used Pro Football Reference for stats, these Picks were either out for the season,inactive or were buffing the bench with their backsides.The Blue Wall deluded their disciples into thinking this legendary draft would rival Lombardi's Packers,Noll's Steelers or the '85 Bears. They must be invading Dean Martin's liquor cabinet and playing with Quija Boards if they really believe that
For instance Mr LLC himself- Blake Crum,err Corum had a robust 207 yds on the season,Mike Sainristil safety for Washington shows some promise as he showed up for all 16 games.AJ Barner, TE for Seattle had 245 yds receiving,congratulations AJ you were one of the more productive ones. Trevor Keegan played in one game for the Eagles but got a ring,Congats Trevor. But for the rest Great Googly Moogly I honestly was shocked,2 of the draftees had no stats posted at all, 3 off them had o-o-o-o-o across the stat sheet - I'm serious . Search for your self but be warned - I spent more time compiling this post than those woefull wastrels saw playing time - unfacking believable.
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good so far you're 1 for two drafts and as you will soon see what the NCAA has confirmed that he was positioned in just right place to help pad those stats
there is a more telling/accurate metric I went to Sporting News(https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/michigan-players-drafted-2024-nfl-draft-jj-mccarthy-corum/dd8ceec9eea205f378110acd) and reviewed all of M's list of NFL Draftees following their "Legendary Season". I used Pro Football Reference for stats, these Picks were either out for the season,inactive or were buffing the bench with their backsides.The Blue Wall deluded their disciples into thinking this legendary draft would rival Lombardi's Packers,Noll's Steelers or the '85 Bears. They must be invading Dean Martin's liquor cabinet and playing with Quija Boards if they really believe that
For instance Mr LLC himself- Blake Crum,err Corum had a robust 207 yds on the season,Mike Sainristil safety for Washington shows some promise as he showed up for all 16 games.AJ Barner, TE for Seattle had 245 yds receiving,congratulations AJ you were one of the more productive ones. Trevor Keegan played in one game for the Eagles but got a ring,Congats Trevor. But for the rest Great Googly Moogly I honestly was shocked,2 of the draftees had no stats posted at all, 3 off them had o-o-o-o-o across the stat sheet - I'm serious . Search for your self but be warned - I spent more time compiling this post than those woefull wastrels saw playing time - unfacking believable.
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Why stop at Wendy's when the NCAA is fixing to serve you a shit sandwich???
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anyway let's take this to Michigan thread as there won't be much posting there the rest of the season and Let BBTS have his say
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the michigan thread is over there --------->>>>>>>>
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Why stop at Wendy's when the NCAA is fixing to serve you a shit sandwich???
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Nubbz I love ya but ya are kinda totally derailing this guys Penn State thread....maybe let's move all this glorious shit talk to the Michigan or Ohio State threads?
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agreed read my post GO LIONS,or 'Skers
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Back in 2001 or 2002 @Big Beef Tacosupreme (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1529) had a PSU thread at the old CFN site.
It turned into a thread to post jokes in, which is way better than this shit.
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i was going to bring that up like '03/'04 when i came aboard and you guys were here. That thread went like over 300 pages if i remember correctly back then there was nothing close like these mega diatribes
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Ok, defense:
Linebackers:
Tony Rojas has been earning praise for his athleticism and work ethic for the last two years. Unfortunately he spent 2024 dealing with nagging injuries and never realized his full potential. He missed spring ball in order to get surgery on his shoulder, and is apparently back to full strength.
Dominic DeLuca also returns. DeLuca has a brilliant football mind, but he lacks the top end athleticism typical of a Penn State linebacker. He is excellent in passing situations. He had 3 interceptions last year on only 5 starts.
Penn State also added North Carolina linebacker Amare Campbell (74 tackles in 2024)
Keon Wylie will be the chief backup, and PSU will need to see development from him and the other underclassman.
There is some concern here. Rojas has a chance to be a breakout star, but I worry about the depth of the unit overall. They should be above average defending against the pass, but they may struggle to get to the QB and against the run at times. Overall I expect them to be about 5th or 6th in the B1G. GRADE: C+
I'll have to do the rest in a bit.
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URBZ on Drew Allar,Lions WR Room
https://youtu.be/ezGKd6sVbs0?t=357
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I very much expect Penn State to win the B1G and make a deep playoff run. they are 10-2 at worst with their schedule, and I feel like they'll likely go 11-1 with a real shot to go 12-0 if they catch all the breaks- which you have to catch to go 12-0. Ohio State and Oregon are the only toss-up games on their entire schedule- and they get Oregon at home at night.
only thing that could conceivably hold them back imo is the head coach.
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Some "expert" picked PSU to play Texas in the NC game. That seems possible of course. It's also possible some team ranked about 12 preseason ends up playing.
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Allar has to actually make the jump to difference maker (or at least play like one). Otherwise you’re going into the high-leverage games hoping someone else has big enough flaws you can overwhelm them.
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At times he seemed slow to read and release,maybe guys weren't getting open,maybe he had happy feet,locks on or was hesitant. Perhaps it comes together this year if the wide outs can hold up their end,he has the tools.
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Big Ten conference champs and teams that make a run in the playoffs almost always get very good to superb QB play
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OK, I'm back:
Defensive line: PSU has two NFL picks on the on the DL On the edge, Dani Dennis-Sutton is projected by some to be a top 10 pick in the NFL draft. At tackle, Zane Durant was named by PFF as one of the nation's elite defensive tackles. At this moment, he's probably a middle round NFL draft pick.
After those two guys, things get a bit dicey. Penn State in the making at defensive end in Max Granville. Unfortunately, he was injured in practice and will miss the entire season. After him are two average to above average guys in Zuriah Fisher (RSR+) and Enai White, a Jr from Texas A&M. For DT, Penn State has an average to above average player in Alonzo Ford (RSr+), and then a bunch of unproven guys. To make things worse, Ford missed almost all of last year with an injury.
Grade: B-
Secondary: Should again be one of the best units in the B1G, led by AJ Harris, a projected first round pick. They are supported by a very deep and talented cast.
Grade: A-
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Overall Defensive Grade: B- (Talent at every position, but not elite)
Overall Offensive Grade: A+ (Best backfield in the conference, perhaps the best QB, OL, and TE rooms as well. WR room has been massively upgraded)
Intangibles: Perhaps the best offensive AND defensive coordinators in CFB. Special teams also return all major players.
Questions:
Will the questions around Drew Allar be resolved now that he has actual receivers to throw to?
Will the PSU offense be good enough to keep them in games if the defense struggles? This is the opposite of your typical PSU team.
Will the new receivers have time to gel with Allar and prevent teams from selling out against the run?
Will PSU be able to pressure the QB without Abdul Carter?
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Back in 2001 or 2002 @Big Beef Tacosupreme (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1529) had a PSU thread at the old CFN site.
It turned into a thread to post jokes in, which is way better than this shit.
Dear god, was it that long ago?
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Some "expert" picked PSU to play Texas in the NC game. That seems possible of course. It's also possible some team ranked about 12 preseason ends up playing.
Was it chat GPT? Because I asked chat GPT and that's what it said, too. :57:
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At times he seemed slow to read and release,maybe guys weren't getting open,maybe he had happy feet,locks on or was hesitant. Perhaps it comes together this year if the wide outs can hold up their end,he has the tools.
One thing is for sure, he doesn't lock in on a single receiver. If anything, he checks down too quick.
I have my suspicions that this issue in particular may have something to do with the poor WR play last season.
He is not a very good passer when he's on the move, either.
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Was it chat GPT? Because I asked chat GPT and that's what it said, too. :57:
Artificial intelligence has nothing on natural stupidity...
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Dear god, was it that long ago?
I know it was here in '03-'04 when i stumbled in and was as big as the next 4-5 biggest threads together
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Since yinzers don't like lots of threads, perhaps you could each do one of these on your respective pages.
Unit by unit: Better or worse than 2024?
QB - Drew Allar returns, but Beau Pribula transferred. Allar should be better, the two young guys under him probably won't be as good as Beau was:
SAME, maybe a bit worse
WR - Lost the top two receivers, but got a bunch of talented freshman and 3 of the best receivers in the portal:
WAY BETTER
RB - Same tailbacks as last year, but PSU gets the third string guy back from injury. Supposedly these guys have gotten a lot better under one of the best RB coaches in CFB:
BETTER
TE - Although PSU loses the Mackey Award winner in Tyler Warren, this room is deep and very talented. Khalil Dinkins made Feldman's Freak list. PSU also gets starter Andrew Rappleyea back from injury, and breakout freshman star Luke Reynolds will be back with another year of coaching under his belt. In addition, PSU gets a 5 star and two 4 stars as incoming freshman. Everyone things OSU will have the best TE room in the country, but PSU may be closer than you think:
WORSE - (But not as much as you might think)
OL - This will be Penn State's best OLine since 1994. It is deep and talented. The unit is so good that the Offensive coordinator is playing with 7 OL sets. This unit is trying to win the Joe Moore award for the best OLine in country, and they may just do it.
BETTER
Defense Later
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DT: Although Penn State returns Zane Durant (All B1G HM and projected middle rounder), it seems like they lost everybody else. However, Alonzo Ford is back from injury and was pretty good before he was lost for the 2024 season. While Ford and Durant should be one of the better pairs in the B1G, there is not much experienced depth behind them. rFR Xavier Gilliam is widely regarded as the third best player.
WORSE
DE: Losing Abdul Carter is going to get the lions a lower grade, but it isn't like Penn State is awful here. They have a potential first rounder in Dani Dennis-Sutton on one end, and Zuriah Fisher on the other. Fisher was given the "one of those guys nobody’s talking about right now" quote by Franklin, and those only come out when a player is going to be very, very good. The last person I can remember that got that praise was Tyler Warren. Behind those two guys are a handful of players that will factor heavily into the rotation. The projected breakout star, Max Granville, was injured and will miss 2025.
WORSE
LB: Finally some good news. Tony Rojas has been turning heads, including from the guys at BTN. He made Feldman's freak list, and is fully healthy after off-season surgery. I project he will be a breakout star this year. Behind him are a bunch of very talented players that should play quite a bit.
BETTER
SECONDARY: In the words of the BTN guys, this unit is the strength of the defense. I won't go into a lot of detail here, because this unit returns everyone except for Jaylen Reed (6th round). Yes, I know KJ Winston was a third rounder, but he was injured for most of 2024 so for the purpose of this exercise it doesn't matter.
BETTER
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I'm a Jim Knowles truther, but I am wondering how he does in his first year. He likes to have a lot of different stuff, so it is a bit of a difficult defense to install in one offseason.
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I'm a Jim Knowles truther, but I am wondering how he does in his first year. He likes to have a lot of different stuff, so it is a bit of a difficult defense to install in one offseason.
Jim Knowles has talked multiple times this season about how much smarter Penn State players are than Ohio State players. At OSU, he spent WEEKS on the finer points of shape sorting, for example. Knowles speculated that the IQ difference is perhaps because it is normal for Ohio youth to eat paint chips. Or perhaps it is because their corn is inferior, or because they eat their chili without beans. I suppose it isn't that surprising, considering it takes 4 people to spell Ohio.
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Allegheny hillbillies slamming 12pks of Iron City and playing with Ouija Boards.
PS and I always put beans in my chili
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Was it chat GPT? Because I asked chat GPT and that's what it said, too. :57:
I don't think it was, but maybe indirectly. I do think if PSU has a poor year, by which I mean 9-3ish, there will be some murmurings. This is a PSU kind of year. They have a good shot at 11-1 and then the CG, with an almost guaranteed CFP appearance.
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PS and I always put beans in my chili
This is some of the rare good news that we need to hear more of.
Sadly, this is probably why Ohio State never recruited you. You could have been one of the greats, too.
Nubbs>Hawk
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A couple of tidbits from camp:
Two freshman have been making a lot of waves at defensive end. Chaz Coleman has been getting rave reviews from Franklin and Knowles and will likely play quite a bit this years. Also, Yvan Kemajou is another true freshman that has been making waves and will not redshirt. In addition, a lot of the other young players have stepped up. In short, this no longer looks to be an area of concern.
Because of the depth at DE, Texas A&M transfer Enai White has been moved to DT. Speaking of DT, Xavier Gilliam is pushing for a starting role. Other than Gilliam, there is not much depth at the DT position.
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Good Luck this season,always like when others, not named - "well you know who" make inroads.PSU/MSU/UW/UNL and all the rest make for a more anxious yet exciting season. Pretty sure Oregon is one of the you know whos. I really hope this is the year the BIG hears from everyone else
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Didn't see this one coming.
https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1962985022454927643 (https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1962985022454927643)
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no reason to give Oregon more money
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lame. adidas sucks.
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UNL seems to like adidas
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UNL seems to like adidas
UNL also seems to like mediocrity. coincidence? i think not.
Michigan didn't start winning again until they ditched adidas and went back to Nike. adidas sucks.
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ummm, went back to cheating
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ummm, went back to cheating
hey like the late great Bear Bryant said, ya ain't cheating ya ain't trying. maybe Nebraska should try. and go back to nike. cause adidas sucks.
turns out Ohio State was cheating as well the whole time with a piece of shit scumbag player mole from Ohio on the inside named Joey Velasquez- and they still kept taking L's to Michigan. Kinda sad.
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not sorry but just couldn't resist
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not sorry but just couldn't resist
good. don't ever be sorry. it's a sign of weakness. don't ask permission. nor forgiveness. life is a lot more fun that way.
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agreed