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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on March 29, 2025, 10:23:26 AM
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I added Shedeur Sanders to CU's all-time team in my WN game. He replaced Montez, who was in the 2000s and I don't recall, lol.
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I'm looking at Arkansas and KJ Jefferson. He's probably their best QB of all-time statistically, but left after 5 years to whimper away at UCF. 5 games and benched. Not a great way to finish your college career.
But Arkansas' all-time team has Ryan Mallett, Tyler Wilson, Matt Jones, and Quinn Grovey. Jones was tall and mobile, going to the NFL as a WR. I'd like to keep Grovey on the team as an option...option at QB. But Jefferson needs a spot.
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Other than that, Abdul Carter is in the top 5 sack leaders for Penn State, so he's on their all-time team.
If any of yous guys are aware of a very recent player breaking into the top 5 of rushing, receiving, sacks, or INTs all-time, or as a top QB for a program, please let me know. I should devote time to this, but I'm still busy producing orders, playing catch-up.
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I also created 2 new all-time teams, Arizona State and VA Tech.
ASU has Danny White, Jake Plummer, Rudy Carpenter, and Van Raapshorst at QB. Skattebo is one of their RBs.
VT has Vick, Tyrod Taylor, Bryan Randall, and Don Strock.
All things being similar, I opt towards a diversity of eras and include an option/running QB when possible.
I made my own thread on this that I'll probably update here and there. If I ever get caught up on orders.
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Also, if you're curious about who I have on a certain all-time team, all positions, let me know.
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obviously nuttin recently from UNL
hopefully, quarterback Dylan Raiola, and wide receiver Jacory Barney will be all-time season and career leaders soon
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I did want to ask Nebraska guys about your QBs, historically. More than just statistically, would you say there's a consensus on favorite QBs?
I assume Frazier is at the top, having replaced Gill. If not, correct me. But whereabouts down the totem pole are Crouch, Tagge, the other 80s guys, Frost, etc? Do you even feel like there's a consensus?
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I'd be curious as to who is on your Wisconsin team (assuming you made one).
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I'd be curious as to who is on your Wisconsin team (assuming you made one).
QB - Wilson, Stocco, Bevell, Tolzien
Rushers (impossible task) - Dayne, Taylor, Ball, Gordon
Pass-Catchers - Abbrederis, Evans, Toon, Toon, DeRamus, Beckum
Sacks - Burke, Thompson, Bryant, Saleh, Jordan
INTs - Fletcher, Leonhard, Greyer, Messenger
K - Welch
P - Stemke
RET - Abbrederis & Williams
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The sacks and INT guys are largely just stats-based. The pass-catchers are more about getting a range across eras, among the top guys.
If it was just stats-based, everyone's all-time receivers would all be from the last 15 years.
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Some QB replacement examples:
Stetson Bennett replaced Fran Tarkenton for UGA. Others on team: Aaron Murray, Matt Stafford, Buck Belue
Bryce Young replaced Ken Stabler for Bama. Others on team: AJ McCarron, Tua T, Joe Willie Namath
Caleb Williams replaced Paul McDonald on USC. Others on team: Matt Leinart, Carson Palmer, Rodney Peete
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You have an all time WVU team?
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@Kris60 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=79) I do:
QB - Major Harris, Pat White, Will Grier, Geno Smith
RB - Cobourne, Devine, Zereoue, Slaton
WR - Austin, Bailey, Saunders, Ivy, Stills, Thomas
Sack guys - Julian Miller, Turnbull, Dante Stills, Curtis, Gary Stills
INT guys - Beasley, Steve Newberry, Bob Snider, Tom Pridemore, Tim Agee
K - Woodside
P - Sauerbrun
KR - Shawn Terry
PR - John Mallory
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All of the RBs are fairly recent and similar. Didn't realize there were 3 Stills, lol.
Some of these guys are from way back, as the defense and special teams are almost completely stats-based.
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I'm a Major Harris fanboy. I'm shakiest on Grier at QB. Hostettler has the name, but the stats are rough. If you have a QB that should/must be on the team over Grier, I'm all ears.
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I did want to ask Nebraska guys about your QBs, historically. More than just statistically, would you say there's a consensus on favorite QBs?
I assume Frazier is at the top, having replaced Gill. If not, correct me. But whereabouts down the totem pole are Crouch, Tagge, the other 80s guys, Frost, etc? Do you even feel like there's a consensus?
No consensus - especially as a favorite and not the best.
most just check national titles - Frazier & Frost (not great arms) both tough SOBs
Jerry Tagge should get more respect for throwing for over 2,000 yds in 71, but many fans are too young. 70's guys Ferragamo and David Humm.
Turner Gill was my favorite. (biased because I was a freshman in 81, when he got his first start) Threw it behind the receiver on the 2-point conversion! 80's guys - Gerry Gdowski was a great QB but only started one season because of playing behind Steve Taylor. Gdowski put up great passing stats and could really run.
Crouch doesn't get much love even though he won a hypesman.
Joe Ganz & Zac Taylor have the passing records, but that's no surprise
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@Kris60 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=79) I do:
QB - Major Harris, Pat White, Will Grier, Geno Smith
RB - Cobourne, Devine, Zereoue, Slaton
WR - Austin, Bailey, Saunders, Ivy, Stills, Thomas
Sack guys - Julian Miller, Turnbull, Dante Stills, Curtis, Gary Stills
INT guys - Beasley, Steve Newberry, Bob Snider, Tom Pridemore, Tim Agee
K - Woodside
P - Sauerbrun
KR - Shawn Terry
PR - John Mallory
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All of the RBs are fairly recent and similar. Didn't realize there were 3 Stills, lol.
Some of these guys are from way back, as the defense and special teams are almost completely stats-based.
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I'm a Major Harris fanboy. I'm shakiest on Grier at QB. Hostettler has the name, but the stats are rough. If you have a QB that should/must be on the team over Grier, I'm all ears.
If it’s strictly stats based it’s hard to argue with too much you have there. Pac Man Jones was the best CB I’ve ever seen at WVU but he didn’t have a lot of picks. Darryl Talley is just outside your top 5 sack guys but was a consensus AA and would be on the short list of best defensive players to ever play at the school.
Cedric Thomas at WR is probably the most curious selection. I know he’s top 5 in receiving TD’s but is outside the top 20 in career receptions and 14th in receiving yards. If you have any wiggle room I could give you several guys who would probably be better selections than him. Chris Henry has pretty comparable stats to Thomas but did it in two years instead of 5, and did it in an offense that ran the ball 70% of the time.
The WR is David Sills. You’re right, WVU has had a bunch of Stills (Gary and his two sons), but David was a Sills, not a Stills. lol.
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obviously nuttin recently from UNL
hopefully, quarterback Dylan Raiola, and wide receiver Jacory Barney will be all-time season and career leaders soon
In addition to Raiola and Barney, I would include some of our best receivers - or wingbacks in the case of Johnny Rogers. To me, that would include Kenny Bell, Stanley Morgan, Samari (?) Toure being the most recent. I don't know about stats but my favorite receiver was Jordan Westerkamp just for all the crazy catches he managed to make.
And of course, Alex Henery for kicker. His accuracy was out of this world.
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If it’s strictly stats based it’s hard to argue with too much you have there. Pac Man Jones was the best CB I’ve ever seen at WVU but he didn’t have a lot of picks. Darryl Talley is just outside your top 5 sack guys but was a consensus AA and would be on the short list of best defensive players to ever play at the school.
Cedric Thomas at WR is probably the most curious selection. I know he’s top 5 in receiving TD’s but is outside the top 20 in career receptions and 14th in receiving yards. If you have any wiggle room I could give you several guys who would probably be better selections than him. Chris Henry has pretty comparable stats to Thomas but did it in two years instead of 5, and did it in an offense that ran the ball 70% of the time.
The WR is David Sills. You’re right, WVU has had a bunch of Stills (Gary and his two sons), but David was a Sills, not a Stills. lol.
I'm all ears. I want a fan of the program to be satisfied with their all-time team.
I can include Pac Man as long as WV fans aren't going to be wondering WHERE THE HELL IS TIM AGEE?!?! Cuz I have no idea who Agee is....it's a bigger sin to exclude someone who belongs than to tack on a 'best' guy who falls short statistically.
Same with Talley. As long as dropping Gary Stills isn't a big deal, I'd include him.
I probably included Thomas for era variety (guessing here). I just want to avoid all receivers being from this century. If Henry makes a lot more sense, then I can include him.
Let me know.
Thanks.
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All-Time Nebraska:
QB - Frazier, Gill, Tagge, Crouch (Frost in for Tagge? Someone else?)
RB - Rozier, Green, Jones (only 3, because all Nebraska QBs take a runner spot)
WB/WR/TE - Rodgers, Fryar, Morgan Jr, Bell, Frosty Anderson, Junior Miller (TE)
Sack guys - Alberts, Wistrom, Skow, Suh, Glover
INT - Stephenson, Bullocks, Nathan Gerry, Bret Clark, Ralph Brown
K - Henery
P - Hadenfeldt
RET - Rodgers, Hughes
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All-Time Nebraska:
QB - Frazier, Gill, Tagge, Crouch (Frost in for Tagge? Someone else?)
RB - Rozier, Green, Jones (only 3, because all Nebraska QBs take a runner spot)
WB/WR/TE - Rodgers, Fryar, Morgan Jr, Bell, Frosty Anderson, Junior Miller (TE)
Sack guys - Alberts, Wistrom, Skow, Suh, Glover
INT - Stephenson, Bullocks, Nathan Gerry, Bret Clark, Ralph Brown
K - Henery
P - Hadenfeldt
RET - Rodgers, Hughes
Frost or Ganz (pure numbers) for Crouch ...although NCAA record(3,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing by a QB, career Eric Crouch, 1998-2001)
Ameer Abdullah in for Calvin Jones. Tough call... Calvin didn't stay for his senior season
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In addition to Raiola and Barney, I would include some of our best receivers - or wingbacks in the case of Johnny Rogers. To me, that would include Kenny Bell, Stanley Morgan, Samari (?) Toure being the most recent. I don't know about stats but my favorite receiver was Jordan Westerkamp just for all the crazy catches he managed to make.
And of course, Alex Henery for kicker. His accuracy was out of this world.
gotta go with Kenny Bell for "The Block" and the hair
Westy had the best hands in Husker history
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I'm all ears. I want a fan of the program to be satisfied with their all-time team.
I can include Pac Man as long as WV fans aren't going to be wondering WHERE THE HELL IS TIM AGEE?!?! Cuz I have no idea who Agee is....it's a bigger sin to exclude someone who belongs than to tack on a 'best' guy who falls short statistically.
Same with Talley. As long as dropping Gary Stills isn't a big deal, I'd include him.
I probably included Thomas for era variety (guessing here). I just want to avoid all receivers being from this century. If Henry makes a lot more sense, then I can include him.
Let me know.
Thanks.
Cool. Here’s my two cents then.
QB- I like your 4. A lot of people would argue for Marc Bulger or Hostetler but it would have a lot to do with pro careers (I know how you feel about that). I personally have no problem with those guys.
RB- Yes. Those 4.
WR-Thomas should definitely come out of that group. You’d be surprised how many WVU fans wouldn’t even know who he was. No one would miss him. I’d personally put in Chris Henry. If you want to go a little older school you should consider Reggie Rembert (late 80s) or Danny Buggs (early 70s).
Sacks- Talley should be on the list. I’d take out Julian Miller for him. Miller was a good player but not considered an all-timer at WVU. If you are just looking for great DL/LB and not necessarily pass rushers I’d consider Grant Wiley or Sam Huff for one of the Stills or Turnbull.
INT- I think Pac Man needs to be on the list. I think most WVU fans would agree. I’d put him for either Agee or Snider. Probably Agee since his era is represented by Newberry and Snider comes from a very underrepresented era.
Everything else looks good to me. I was all set to give you a better PR than John Mallory (never even heard of him). But I looked up Mallory’s stats and was blown away. He’s definitely the all time PR.
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Frost or Ganz (pure numbers) for Crouch ...although NCAA record(3,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing by a QB, career Eric Crouch, 1998-2001)
Ameer Abdullah in for Calvin Jones. Tough call... Calvin didn't stay for his senior season
Jones' 6.8 yards per carry though......but I was just thinking, it would make sense to include a FB, right? It's Nebraska!
Is there a consensus 'best running FB' in Huskers history? I'm amazed at how few carries they had vs the IBs.
It can't be Schleschinshinger lol, he barely had any carries. A Mackovicka perhaps or Rathman? Is someone else out there at FB with more volume?
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Cool. Here’s my two cents then.
QB- I like your 4. A lot of people would argue for Marc Bulger or Hostetler but it would have a lot to do with pro careers (I know how you feel about that). I personally have no problem with those guys.
RB- Yes. Those 4.
WR-Thomas should definitely come out of that group. You’d be surprised how many WVU fans wouldn’t even know who he was. No one would miss him. I’d personally put in Chris Henry. If you want to go a little older school you should consider Reggie Rembert (late 80s) or Danny Buggs (early 70s).
Sacks- Talley should be on the list. I’d take out Julian Miller for him. Miller was a good player but not considered an all-timer at WVU. If you are just looking for great DL/LB and not necessarily pass rushers I’d consider Grant Wiley or Sam Huff for one of the Stills or Turnbull.
INT- I think Pac Man needs to be on the list. I think most WVU fans would agree. I’d put him for either Agee or Snider. Probably Agee since his era is represented by Newberry and Snider comes from a very underrepresented era.
Everything else looks good to me. I was all set to give you a better PR than John Mallory (never even heard of him). But I looked up Mallory’s stats and was blown away. He’s definitely the all time PR.
Will do. I appreciate it.
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Rathman by quite a bit
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Rathman by quite a bit
And so for their 4 ball-carriers, do you think having a FB instead of 3 IBs + the QB is the right call? For all-time Nebraska w/ the option game?
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not sure how the game works - Rathman doesn't have numbers similar to an I-back or even a QB
(https://i.imgur.com/Bm2jXmo.png)
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I use their career stats and their carries in the game are rounded to the closest 5%.
Say it's Frazier, Rozier, Green, and Rathman. I'd add up their carries and divide each individual's carries to get a % out of 20 running plays (d20 die).
So a FB with say, 10% of those carries would get 2 inside runs out of the 20 overall run plays.
This is it with 3 IBs:
(https://i.imgur.com/1YOyEk8.jpeg)
The columns are for a diversity of yardage per run play.
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well, maybe if Tom averages 7.47 and they don't expect it, cause he's been pancakin LBs and safeties............
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A&M
QB JFF obviously. Tannehill. After that pretty steep drop.
RB Achane from a few years ago was pretty good. John David Crow from 1950’s won the heisman. Dante Hall. Not sure who else is in that list.
WR Mike Evans
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Does Vanderbilt get one?
I'd be curious to see how many of those guys I'd know and how many I'd have to look up.
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A&M
QB JFF obviously. Tannehill. After that pretty steep drop.
RB Achane from a few years ago was pretty good. John David Crow from 1950’s won the heisman. Dante Hall. Not sure who else is in that list.
WR Mike Evans
RBs I remember from my time in college, feels like all of them were great because they regularly trashed the Longhorns. Maybe my team was just that crappy, but...
Rodney Thomas
Greg Hill
Leland McElroy
More recently Ja'Mar Toombs. He was a big dude.
And then of course the supremely talented TE Martellus Bennett. He really hated UT as I recall.
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Does Reggie McNeal get any consideration for A&M on the QB list?
I recall thinking he was quite an athlete with a lot of great moments, but I don't know where his stats and record would put him.
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Does Reggie McNeal get any consideration for A&M on the QB list?
I recall thinking he was quite an athlete with a lot of great moments, but I don't know where his stats and record would put him.
I think Kellen Mond was a terribly underrated QB for them. If he'd ever had a decent o-line he would have been a major threat IMO.
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VY and Colt seem like the obvious top 2 for UT, but I don't know how much recency bias that might entail.
Can a case be made for any QB's of previous eras that they were as good for their time as the two above were? Seems like a longshot.
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VY and Colt seem like the obvious top 2 for UT, but I don't know how much recency bias that might entail.
Can a case be made for any QB's of previous eras that they were as good for their time as the two above were? Seems like a longshot.
James Street was 20-0 as a starter and won the '69 national championship. You might remember his son Huston Street better, talented closing pitcher and national championship winner plus CWS MVP for the 2002 Longhorns baseball team.
And then there's Bobby Layne from longhorn320's leather helmet days... :)
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I added Shedeur Sanders to CU's all-time team in my WN game. He replaced Montez, who was in the 2000s and I don't recall, lol.
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I'm looking at Arkansas and KJ Jefferson. He's probably their best QB of all-time statistically, but left after 5 years to whimper away at UCF. 5 games and benched. Not a great way to finish your college career.
But Arkansas' all-time team has Ryan Mallett, Tyler Wilson, Matt Jones, and Quinn Grovey. Jones was tall and mobile, going to the NFL as a WR. I'd like to keep Grovey on the team as an option...option at QB. But Jefferson needs a spot.
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Other than that, Abdul Carter is in the top 5 sack leaders for Penn State, so he's on their all-time team.
If any of yous guys are aware of a very recent player breaking into the top 5 of rushing, receiving, sacks, or INTs all-time, or as a top QB for a program, please let me know. I should devote time to this, but I'm still busy producing orders, playing catch-up.
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I also created 2 new all-time teams, Arizona State and VA Tech.
ASU has Danny White, Jake Plummer, Rudy Carpenter, and Van Raapshorst at QB. Skattebo is one of their RBs.
VT has Vick, Tyrod Taylor, Bryan Randall, and Don Strock.
All things being similar, I opt towards a diversity of eras and include an option/running QB when possible.
I made my own thread on this that I'll probably update here and there. If I ever get caught up on orders.
Who do you have for IU?
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Who do you have for IU?
Everyone who played last year.
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Everyone who played last year.
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LOL. Anthony Thompson, Vaughn Dunbar, and Tevin Coleman would like a word.
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AT was awesome.
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RBs I remember from my time in college, feels like all of them were great because they regularly trashed the Longhorns. Maybe my team was just that crappy, but...
Rodney Thomas
Greg Hill
Leland McElroy
More recently Ja'Mar Toombs. He was a big dude.
And then of course the supremely talented TE Martellus Bennett. He really hated UT as I recall.
Those guys were indeed great football players. Not sure if they’d make the all/time list though.
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VY and Colt seem like the obvious top 2 for UT, but I don't know how much recency bias that might entail.
Can a case be made for any QB's of previous eras that they were as good for their time as the two above were? Seems like a longshot.
Well duh…Chris Sims !
On a serious note, Major Applewhite was a helluva player. Not sure how the stats stack-up.
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gotta go with Kenny Bell for "The Block" and the hair
Westy had the best hands in Husker history
Oh, yeah - "Fear the Fro", lol. He always reminded me of Randy Moss the way his hair would explode when he took off his helmet. I had almost forgotten about "The Block" as the memory of that game really hurts.
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I was at that game unfortunately, it still hurts
Wonder Monds!!!
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Does Vanderbilt get one?
I'd be curious to see how many of those guys I'd know and how many I'd have to look up.
I've only created 40 so far. No Vandy. No IU.
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A&M
QB JFF obviously. Tannehill. After that pretty steep drop.
RB Achane from a few years ago was pretty good. John David Crow from 1950’s won the heisman. Dante Hall. Not sure who else is in that list.
WR Mike Evans
Manziel, Tannehill, Murray, Mond
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VY and Colt seem like the obvious top 2 for UT, but I don't know how much recency bias that might entail.
Can a case be made for any QB's of previous eras that they were as good for their time as the two above were? Seems like a longshot.
Young, McCoy, Street, Ehlinger
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UM: Leach, Grbac, Harbaugh, Brady.....although I should switch Brady out for McCarthy
USC: Leinart, Palmer, Peete, C.Williams
ALA: McCarron, Tua, Namath, B.Young
ND: Bertelli, Theismann, Quinn, Montana
OU: Mayfield, Holieway, Bradford, Davis
PSU: Fusina, Blackledge, McSorley, Hufnagel
TENN: Manning, Shuler, Bray, Holloway
OSU: Barrett, T.Smith, Greene, Stroud
FLA: Tebow, Wuerffel, Grossman, Spurrier
MIA: Dorsey, Testaverde, Kosar, Torretta
LSU: Burrow, Hodson, Russell, B.Jones
FSU: Ward, Winston, Weinke, Weldon
AUB: Sullivan, Newton, Campbell, Marshall
UGA: Murray, Stafford, Belue, Bennett
USCe: Taneyhill, Shaw, Wright, Suggs
ILL: Trudeau, George, Eason, J.Williams
MSU: Cook, Cousins, Yarema, Raye
CLEM: Lawrence, Watson, Dantzler, Jordan
OKST: Gundy, Rudolph, Weeden, Robinson
UCLA: Aikman, McNown, DTR, Beban
ARK: Mallett, Wilson, Jones, Grovey
ARMY: McAda, Bradshaw, Tucker, Caldwell....need to replace Caldwell with Daily
PUR: Brees, Orton, Everett, Griese
WV: Harris, Smith, White, Grier
PITT: Marino, Pickett, Van Pelt, Palko
GT: S.Jones, Godsey, Hamilton, Thomas
ORST: Baker, Smith, Anderson, Mannion
SYR: McNabb, McPherson, Graves, Nassib
ORE: Herbert, Musgrave, Harrington, Mariota
WIS: Bevell, Wilson, Tolzien, Stocco
STAN: Luck, Elway, Plunkett, Stenstrom
OM: E.Manning, A.Manning, Kelly, Corral
WASH: Penix, Browning, B.Huard, Sixkiller
IOWA: Long, Banks, Stanley, Tate
CU: K.Detmer, Stewart, Hagan, Sanders
ASU: Carpenter, Plummer, D.White, Van Raaphorst
VT: Vick, Taylor, Randall, Strock
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Alright, alright. Let's see the Buckeyes.
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Indiana Hoosiers
QB - Antwaan Randle El, Nate Sudfeld, Trent Green, Dave Schnell
Rushers - Anthony Thompson, Vaughn Dunbar, Tevin Coleman, Alex Smith
Pass-Catchers - James Hardy, Courtney Roby, Ernie Jones, Thomas Lewis, Peyton Hendershot, Duane Gunn
Sacks - Adewale Ogunleye, Van Waiters, Jammie Kirlew, Greg Middleton, Mikail Kamara
INTs - Tim Wilbur, Tracy Porter, Dave Abrams, John Cannady
K - Pete Stoyanovich
P - Tyson Beattie
RET - Mitchell Paige, Marcus Thigpen
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UM: Leach, Grbac, Harbaugh, Brady.....although I should switch Brady out for McCarthy
100%. Brady was not an all-time great at Michigan. Chad Henne has an argument over especially Brady but also Grbac. Personally, I'd put JJ & Henne there with Leach and Harbaugh. Michigan is pretty weak at QB position. Very good basically everywhere else.
Michigan very strong in the trenches on both sides, strong at RB, pretty solid at WR, but a little weak at LB and safety imo.
They have a pretty awesome CB room however that will probably be slept on but stacks up at the very top with any program out there period. Charles Woodson- CB1, Ty Law- CB2, Will Johnson (backup Woodson), Leon Hall (backup Law), Mikey Sainistril (Nickel), and Jourdan Lewis (backup Nickel) and Marlin Jackson-FS/CB hybrid Flex player. That's a bunch of freaking dudes in that cornerback room.
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Any dude named Elvis should be on the list.
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Ed Zahery!!
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LSU: Burrow, Hodson, Russell, B.Jones
I understand the urge to have Hodson on there, as he was an important player and had a great career. Depending on how much you factor "career" in there, it'd be hard to bump him off. But Burrow and Russell's presence indicate a heavy emphasis is placed on a single spectacular year, in which case, Daniels goes on the list ahead of Hodson. Even comparing across eras, Daniels senior campaign was insanity that far outshone anything Hodson ever did.
Bert Jones kinda has to stay no matter what. However good he was or wasn't, for LSU fans, we feel like nothing had ever happened like him before, at least not at LSU.
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TENN: Manning, Shuler, Bray, Holloway
I'd replace Bray with Clausen, Ainge, Dobbs, Hooker, Kelly --- take your pick.
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I understand the urge to have Hodson on there, as he was an important player and had a great career. Depending on how much you factor "career" in there, it'd be hard to bump him off. But Burrow and Russell's presence indicate a heavy emphasis is placed on a single spectacular year, in which case, Daniels goes on the list ahead of Hodson. Even comparing across eras, Daniels senior campaign was insanity that far outshone anything Hodson ever did.
Bert Jones kinda has to stay no matter what. However good he was or wasn't, for LSU fans, we feel like nothing had ever happened like him before, at least not at LSU.
Indeed. I really need to do a deep dive on these teams for recent 'upgrades.' Daniels' season was probably better than Newton's as the best ever, in terms of dual-threat QB.
Thank you.
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But also, it feels wrong replacing an Archie Manning with a Jaxson Dart.
3 of the 4 QBs on these all-time teams can be modern(ish), but I have to keep at least 1 spot open for the legends of yesteryear when passing stats were putrid.
The LSU situation works because they have 2 distant QBs on the team, so booting one is fine. But I'm keeping a guy like Cornelius Greene on OSU because we can't have 4 guys from the last 20 years on all these teams.
I also like having an option guy on many of these squads if possible. So the distant past and option guy often are one and the same.
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3 of the 4 QBs on these all-time teams can be modern(ish), but I have to keep at least 1 spot open for the legends of yesteryear when passing stats were putrid.
why?
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A - because I want it that way
B - my customers trend older and very likely want it that way
Plus, while the game is stats-based to produce realistic outcomes, those QBs of yesteryear were great in their time. None measure up statistically to modern guys.
If they're all recent, then how is it an "all-time" team?
Plus plus, a lot of these recent RPO big-stat guys are basically all the same. Differentiate for me between OU's Mayfield, Murray, and Hurts. Or OSU's Fields, Stroud, Barrett, Pryor, and Miller.
They're high-comp%, low-INT dudes who use their legs. Don't want 4 of the same guy on my all-time team, right?
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I figured it was "A", just wondered
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If fan-service is important, consider this for LSU.
Keep Hodson, take out Russell. Hodson is still adored, and probably rightly so. Russell, despite how good he became, never shook off his reputation with fans for being late over the middle. Also, Hodson keeps a nice "career-guy" balance with the "brief burning star" guys in Burrow and Daniels.
You could go: Burrow, Daniels, Hodson, Jones.
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1-year fantastical guys make this all so hard. I wish there was a consensus that you rank 1-year guys like Newton and Barry Sanders separate from everyone else. There's no "right" way to compare them all together.
Being a shooting star in a year is exceptional and special, of course. But it's not the same as 2-3-4 years of excellence. Volume matters, too.
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I figured it was "A", just wondered
I don't feel like I'm being stubborn and insisting on old-school guys for no reason. I just value an array of eras when it comes to all-time teams.
As for my customers, I feel like part of the reason they buy my game (unrelated to all-time teams) is that I offer teams going way back. Many, obviously, buy teams they remember from their personal sweet spot of watching and loving college football. This seems to range from the late-60s to the early-80s. It just makes sense that they'd value a good QB from back then compared to a guy in the 2010s who had over twice the pass attempts while never throwing the ball more than 15 yards downfield.
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I get it - I'm an old guy
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But it is quite amazing how bad passing attacks were, all the way up into the 1990s.
Thank god for BYU, Miami, and Spurrier, because jesus christ......the rest of the country SUCKED at passing.
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I suppose that is the reason teams that didn't prioritize passing were doing most of the winning all the way up 2000
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I suppose that is the reason teams that didn't prioritize passing were doing most of the winning all the way up 2000
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1984
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1999
I think it's more like "I played under so-and-so, and he didn't like passing" + "I don't like passing and I have an .800 winning percentage" + "If it ain't broke, why fix it?"
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a mix of tradition, success, and laziness