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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: betarhoalphadelta on March 13, 2025, 12:03:53 PM
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It's 2025 and the Giants still suck, probably even worse than the Cowboys.
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https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1900185327740084597
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It's 2025 and the Giants still suck, probably even worse than the Cowboys.
Edit – from the previous thread: Oh yeah, sign me up for some of that new ownership in Dallas too, please!
New ownership might be necessary if you’re the Cowboys, Giants, or Jets, but owners aren’t the ultimate on-field fix for an organization. The benefits of top Head Coaching, Quarterbacking, and GM-ing go much further in the W/L column. I think everybody agrees, however, maybe we won’t agree as to why.
When we say good owners, the value that I believe goes most unrecognized is knowing what you do and don’t have in your organization. Robert Kraft realized what he had with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and stayed out of the way.
Conversely, an owner that recognizes what the organization lacks is best to hire key individuals limited to the GM and HC that see the organization through; this is the start of good ownership. I’ve heard the “new” Panthers owner (since 2018), David Tepper, praised in his earlier ownership years for his aggressive involvement in coaching hires and drafting players. But just about everything David Tepper has forced with football operations has been a disaster. From draft busts (Bryce Young) and rotten coaching hires (Matt Rhule) to unforgiveable trades (Christian McCaffrey).
The best owners realize the coaches know more about Xs & Os, the GM is better at scouting talent, the team doctors are to be trusted with the injury reports, and that they’re best to set up those they recognize with those top skill sets for success.
I’ve seen it throughout my working years where those at or near the top rose to holding high levels due to their success at a single skill set. Yet this narrow path of success has eased them into believing success at one thing translates to the same success at anything else they step foot in. Has anybody bothered telling David Tepper that his successes with Wealth Management don’t equally carry over to the NFL Draft?
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New ownership might be necessary if you’re the Cowboys, Giants, Jets or Browns but owners aren’t the ultimate on-field fix for an organization. The benefits of top Head
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The NFL has have-nots, just like college football does. I'm not sure why, but the Jets seem to get a pass when the Browns don't. What have the Jets done since SB III?
Nothing. No SB appearances. 22 years since their last DIVISION title (a 9-7 season, amazingly).
Is it because they're NY? Pffft.
But the Jets, Browns, Cardinals, Bengals, Saints, and Lions are 2nd-class citizens. The Lions have shown life recently, which is unprecedented. But also the Bears and all the newer teams, like the Jags, Panthers, along with the Chargers, just don't matter. They battle for draft slots from week 1.
The Bears are basically the Minnesota Golden Gophers....a one-time helmet that is irrelevant now. The Jets are...Ole Miss. The Browns are Vanderbilt. Is there a difference between them? Sure. But neither is a "have" franchise.
I honestly view the Jets below the Browns, Cardinals, and Chargers. They're 2nd-class citizens in their own home stadium, and always have been. They once had FOUR 1st round draft picks, none of which was a bad pick, and it still didn't pay off. You could put an all-start team in Jets uniforms, and they'd go 8-8 (or 9-8 or whatever). It's a broken franchise.
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Bears matriarch just died. Hopefully things will change.
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Jets and Bears large markets = $$$ = potential
The Jets are in the AFC East - easier path since the Patriots suck
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Jets and Bears large markets = $$$ = potential
The Jets are in the AFC East - easier path since the Patriots suck
How can the argument for market size be made for success in the NFL?????? Green Bay, Pittsburgh, KC are in the top 4 franchises the past 30 years (outside of NE), while the Giants, Jets, and Rams are in the bottom half of the league.
All available evidence goes against market size mattering.
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The Browns are Vanderbilt.
Not really,off the field Vanderbilt is stocked with astute,discerning,gifted Staff and Students. And Cleveland's got Jimmy Haslem
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The NFL has have-nots, just like college football does.
Yes, but for a completely different reason.
The NFL is set up to be the ultimate parity machine. The draft, CBA, franchise tag and all the free agency rules mean that every team has access to talent. The hard salary cap means that no team can just "buy up" all the best free agents.
If a team is perpetually bad, you can place the blame squarely on the team's management. Because the system is designed to give every have-not equal chance as the haves, if they make good decisions in their GM, head coach, and thereby in their draft / talent acquisition strategy.
This is why the Lions can be doormats for a generation and with the right coach and GM, turn things around. Because there is no inherent systemic process making the rich richer in the NFL and keeping the "poor man" down.
But it doesn't happen overnight. So instead of actually making the structural changes at the HC/GM positions to build a team over the span of 4-5 drafts, bad owners see one coach not doing "enough" soon enough, can him, spin the wheel o' available coaches, watch them not do "enough" soon enough, rinse, and repeat.
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If a team is perpetually bad, you can place the blame squarely on the team's management. Because the system is designed to give every have-not equal chance as the haves, if they make good decisions in their GM, head coach, and thereby in their draft / talent acquisition strategy.
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This this this
And yet, as I was mentioning to my buddy the other day, the NBA and MLB as of late seem like the more open leagues when it comes to Championships. In baseball there are 8 different World Series Championship over the last decade with the Dodgers and Astros the only two with additional championships. Even though it seems like LA is dominating baseball, their own division rivals have recently knocked them out of the playoffs in 2022 and 2023.
In the NBA there are 7 different teams with championships in the last ten seasons, with Golden State, the last true dynasty, accounting for additional championships.
Compare that to the NFL and as soon as the League gets out from under the thumb of New England's dynasty, here come the Chiefs to dominate the AFC, and not a weak AFC.
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Compare that to the NFL and as soon as the League gets out from under the thumb of New England's dynasty, here come the Chiefs to dominate the AFC, and not a weak AFC.
I don't quite look at it this way. The Chiefs have had a hell of a run, to be sure. But it's not been like the rest of the AFC hasn't had good teams too. The Bills, Ravens, and Bengals have been VERY good. The Dolphins have had flashes, and the Chargers may be ascending.
The Chiefs seem to keep coming out on top of the AFC CG, but it's not like the teams they're up against each year are changing.
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https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1899858243993690277
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Yes, but for a completely different reason.
The NFL is set up to be the ultimate parity machine. The draft, CBA, franchise tag and all the free agency rules mean that every team has access to talent. The hard salary cap means that no team can just "buy up" all the best free agents.
If a team is perpetually bad, you can place the blame squarely on the team's management. Because the system is designed to give every have-not equal chance as the haves, if they make good decisions in their GM, head coach, and thereby in their draft / talent acquisition strategy.
This is why the Lions can be doormats for a generation and with the right coach and GM, turn things around. Because there is no inherent systemic process making the rich richer in the NFL and keeping the "poor man" down.
But it doesn't happen overnight. So instead of actually making the structural changes at the HC/GM positions to build a team over the span of 4-5 drafts, bad owners see one coach not doing "enough" soon enough, can him, spin the wheel o' available coaches, watch them not do "enough" soon enough, rinse, and repeat.
Agreed.
And a bad owner is especially damning, because they're the owner for DECADES.
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someone going to draft him high....and get fired 2-3 years later...
https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1902551117864615962
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Agreed.
And a bad owner is especially damning, because they're the owner for DECADES.
If every rule has exceptions and every dataset has outliers, is Dallas it?
Dallas used to be more successful. Now they can't get over the hump at best and outright struggle at worst. Jerry Jones has been the owner throughout. Has his ownership/GM style changed, or has Dallas been more consistent through the years than it feels like to the casual eye?
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Jerry's been a great owner but a terrible GM, and has been for a long time.
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Jones' best GM ever was Mike Lynn.
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Jerry's been a great owner but a terrible GM, and has been for a long time.
Jerry's a bad owner because he has allowed a terrible GM to persist for decades.
I mean, I'm going to assume we're all talking about effectiveness of owner/GM/coach to produce a quality on-field product.
If you're speaking strictly of generating revenue and increasing capital, Jerry is great at it, but I'm a fan and I don't give one half of one shit how much money Jerry makes while allowing his team to suck ass for decades. If none of those resources are plowed back into improving the quality of the on-field product, then it's completely pointless from a fan's viewpoint.
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Yup, that's what I was referring to.
He's a great owner because he's increased the value of his team by almost two orders of magnitude in his lifetime. And once you boil off all the altruistic bullshit, that's what the primary point of business is: to make money for the owner.
He's a shit GM because most of that time his on-field product has been rancid.
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Yup, that's what I was referring to.
He's a great owner because he's increased the value of his team by almost two orders of magnitude in his lifetime. And once you boil off all the altruistic bullshit, that's what the primary point of business is: to make money for the owner.
He's a shit GM because most of that time his on-field product has been rancid.
two orders of magnitude? Try 10. He bought the Cowboys for $140 million in 1989. They’d go for well over $10 billion if he sold them today.
he’s a shitty GM because he keeps getting the coaching hires wrong. his drafting hasn’t been all that bad to be honest. nothing like it was when Jimmy was running the team but still better than a lot of the NFL.
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Yup, that's what I was referring to.
He's a great owner because he's increased the value of his team by almost two orders of magnitude in his lifetime. And once you boil off all the altruistic bullshit, that's what the primary point of business is: to make money for the owner.
He's a shit GM because most of that time his on-field product has been rancid.
He's a shit owner because he won't fire the GM. The Cowboys would be even more valuable, if they were actually successful. By a substantial margin.
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He's a shit owner because he won't fire the GM. The Cowboys would be even more valuable, if they were actually successful. By a substantial margin.
see I don't even think it's so much him being a shit GM, think it's more his ownership. he has pretty poor track record of hiring coaches and he interferes way too much with the coaches. players know that they can just go over the coaches head and right to Jerry. can't have a winning program like that- coach has to be the sole captain of the ship- the dictator if you will.
in terms of being a GM- which is drafting players, making trades, and signing F/A's- Jerry has been pretty damn rock solid at that. You look at the 20+ years of New England's dominance with Belichik- and I'd argue that Jerry did a better job of drafting and signing F/A's than Bill. Most of those studs on defense when Bill first got to NE were already there and drafted by Parcells. Now Bill hit the absolute jackpot lottery of all-time in pro sports when he got Brady in the 6th round- but that was complete blind luck and NOBODY knew that he would grow and develop into what he became- not even Bill- otherwise he wouldn't have lasted til the end of the 6th round.
But look at the players and talent that Jerry was able to acquire- Cowboys have always had some really nice talent over the years. Poor coaching and Jerry getting in the way has made them less successful than they should've been. I also think they just haven't hit on the QB. Romo was a very good NFL QB and so is Dak Prescott, but they never were and never will be in the upper echelon elite tier like a Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, or Mahomes.
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Agree with pretty much all of that.
But teams win Superbowls even without elite QBs. If the coaching and culture had been better, there's no reason Romo or Dak couldn't have won a Superbowl.
Heck, even Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.
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Agree with pretty much all of that.
But teams win Superbowls even without elite QBs. If the coaching and culture had been better, there's no reason Romo or Dak couldn't have won a Superbowl.
Heck, even Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl.
oh I definitely agree that Romo was good enough and Dak is good enough to win a Super Bowl with the right coach and pieces around them. but they aren't the kind of guys that will put the team on their back and elevate the team up another level.
Trent is probably a bad example, he had arguably the greatest defense of all-time and was handing the ball off to Jamal Lewis who was an ELITE RB in the early to mid 2000s and is a guy to who this day is one of only a handful to rush for 2,000 in a season. Jamal Lewis only played 10 seasons and missed like 2 of them but he should probably be an NFL HOF'er one day. When he was healthy he was automatic 1,000+ yard a season rusher. He was a DUDE. Straight up man child.
Great example would be Jalen Hurts. Eagles built a gnarly DL/front 7 and signed an elite RB and had a great OL and road that to a Super Bowl. Hurts is a really good QB that plays on a stacked team.
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Jim McMahon & the 85 Bears
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Frank Ryan and the '64 BROWNS
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I know harkening back thru the dim mists of antiquity
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Jim McMahon & the 85 Bears
J Mac was actually a very good QB before that asshole Packer wrecked him.
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I've always been a Cowboys fan but I really liked watching the '85 Bears play football. That season is some of the earliest NFL that I remember following on my own and not just because my parents of grandparents had it on the TV, and I would search to see if the Bears were going to be on and make sure to watch it.
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Probably the best defense I ever watched. That was a fun year.
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Probably the best defense I ever watched. That was a fun year.
and Marino ripped them to shreds. most talented QB/greatest pure passer the game has ever and will ever see imo.
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Steve Fuller started at game for Da Bears
Marino finished the game 14-for-27 for 270 yards with 3 touchdowns and an interception.
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Steve Fuller started at game for Da Bears
Marino finished the game 14-for-27 for 270 yards with 3 touchdowns and an interception.
young Marino before all the knee and achilles injuries was insanely nimble on his feet and had the most magical arm of any QB that's ever picked up a football. dude was much like Barry Sanders at RB- just a singular otherworldly talent and so obviously head and shoulders above anyone else at their positions in terms of pure talent and ability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulc_1mSSQeE
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He comes from well before the time I was paying attention, but my dad always found it unbelievable that Marino didn't get a ring.
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Marino had the greatest arm of history at his time, for sure
my little brother was a Dolphins fan at the time, so I couldn't give Dan the respect he deserved
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Jerry Jones trading for Joe Milton. Lol.
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according to the draft gurus Michigan CB Will Johnson reportedly slipping down draft boards due to injury concerns and him not running a 40. Lol. Could he have played through some nagging minor injuries in 2025? Yeah. Do I blame him for sitting out? Absolutely not. He'd shown enough on tape to be a high 1st rd pick, Michigan wasn't going anywhere- protect your future and secure that bag.
And who cares about him not running a 40? Put on the tape. Dude is insanely good and oh yeah he's a 6'2+, 200+ CB. Fun fact: Will Johnson has scored more touchdowns on pick 6's than touchdowns he's given up as a CB. 3 TD's scored on pick 6's, and only 2 TD's given up in his entire career at CB. And the first TD he gave up at CB was as a true frosh in game 1 of the season. Since that point he only gave up 1 TD the rest of his collegiate career. I've seen with my own eyes Travis Hunter give up multiple TD's in a single game at CB. Against lesser competition. Lol. Travis Hunter is NOT a better CB or CB prospect than Will Johnson, period. Will Johnson is as good as it gets at CB.
If he falls to 15-20 range somehow Brad Holmes needs to trade up from 28 and snatch him. He's a Patrick Surtain II clone. And oh yeah PS2 is only the best CB in the game right now...
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1908951774737879195
https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1907236585332187318
https://twitter.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1911772194893373863
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I think it's generally accepted that people start rumors, trying to tank the stock of certain players for one reason or another.
Seems like a better explanation than WJ actually being lowered in teams' objective evaluations. A lot of guys don't run the 40, again, for a variety of reasons.
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usually because they're afraid of a slow time
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If you have any kind of tweak or injury, no matter how minor, plenty of guys won't run it. If they suspect they can't get a representative time, they are advised not to do it. Not running the 40 is better than running a slow 40. LSU has had a bunch of guys decline for that reason over the years, none of whom were slow in college or in the NFL. They may also decline some drills at the combine if they already have recorded times at their school's Pro Day. Many of our guys have clocked times they're happy with at our Pro Day that the NFL teams accept and choose not to repeat the drills at the combine. It's not a thing that hurts them.
Rumors, on the other hand, can cause guys to slip appreciably. Some team hoping to get a steal by causing a player to drop to a lower slot.
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WJ had to stay healthy after appearing in 6 games he had just 12 total tackles and had plenty of rest to convalesce. For many scouts concerns existed about whether he would have the speed to consistently thrive against NFL-level athletes. Travis Hunter didn't have the luxury to play on M's team in '23,not comparable. Smart GMs are not going snap up damaged goods real early - they want impact players. M's ballyhooed draft class last spring wasn't impressive collectively(w/o looking) with the exception of Mike Sainristil. Johnson won't have Kyle McCord staring him down in the League ;D
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WJ had to stay healthy after appearing in 6 games he had just 12 total tackles and had plenty of rest to convalesce. For many scouts concerns existed about whether he would have the speed to consistently thrive against NFL-level athletes. Travis Hunter didn't have the luxury to play on M's team in '23,not comparable. Smart GMs are not going snap up damaged goods real early - they want impact players. M's ballyhooed draft class last spring wasn't impressive collectively(w/o looking) with the exception of Mike Sainristil. Johnson won't have Kyle McCord staring him down in the League ;D
I pray NFL GMs believe the same and Will falls into 15-20 and the Lions are able to move up and steal him.
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My 7 round mock draft with trades
FIRST ROUND
- 1. TITANS - WR/CB Travis Hunter, Colorado
- 2. BROWNS - OT Will Campbell, LSU
- 3. GIANTS - DL MASON GRAHAM, MICHIGAN
- 4. PATRIOTS - WR Tetairoa McMillan, Arizona
Jaguars trade Pick #5 to Saints for Pick #9 and two 3rd Round (#71 and #93)
- 5. SAINTS - EDGE ABDUL CARTER, PENN STATE
- 6. RAIDERS - RB Ashton Jeanty, Boise State
- 7. JETS - TE TYLER WARREN, PENN STATE
- 8. PANTHERS - EDGE Mike Green, Marshall
- 9. JAGUARS - OT Armand Membou, Missouri
- 10. BEARS - OT Kelvin Banks Jr., Texas
- 11. 49ERS - CB WILL JOHNSON, MICHIGAN
- 12. COWBOYS - WR Luther Burden, Missouri
- 13. DOLPHINS - S Malaki Starks, Georgia
- 14. COLTS - ILB Jihaad Campbell, Alabama
- 15. FALCONS - DL Walter Nolen, Ole Miss
- 16. CARDINALS - DE Shemar Stewart, Texas A&M
Bengals trade Pick #17 to Steelers for Pick #21 and 3rd Round (#83)
- 17. STEELERS - QB Cam Ward, Miami
Seahawks trade Pick #18 to Packers for Pick #23 and 3rd Round (#87)
- 18. PACKERS - CB Jahdae Barron, Texas
- 19. BUCCANEERS - EDGE Mykel Williams, Georgia
- 20. BRONCOS - WR Matthew Golden, Texas
- 21. BENGALS - EDGE James Pearce Jr., Tennessee
- 22. CHARGERS - DT KENNETH GRANT, MICHIGAN
- 23. SEAHAWKS - WR EMEKA EGBUKA, OHIO STATE
Vikings trade Pick #24 to Lions for Pick #28 and 3rd Round (#102)
- 24. LIONS - OLB Jalon Walker, Georgia
- 25. TEXANS - OT JOSH SIMMONS, OHIO STATE
- 26. RAMS - CB Shavon Revel Jr., East Carolina
- 27. RAVENS - EDGE Nic Scourton, Texas A&M
- 28. VIKINGS - S Nick Emmanwori, South Carolina
- 29. COMMANDERS - EDGE Donovan Ezeiruaku, Boston College
Bills trade Pick #30 to Colts for 2nd Round (#45) and 3rd Round (#80)
- 30. COLTS - TE COLSTON LOVELAND, MICHIGAN
Chiefs trade Pick #31 to Seahawks for 2nd Round (#50) and 3rd Round (#82)
- 31. SEAHAWKS - OG Grey Zabel, North Dakota State
- 32. EAGLES - DL DERRICK HARMON, OREGON
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if Lions can get Jalon Walker at 24, I'm cool with that. high upside with tons of talent. he's a take all day at #24. at #4? probably not. at 24? yes, please.
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I pray NFL GMs believe the same and Will falls into 15-20 and the Lions are able to move up and steal him.
OAM will be by to tighten you up shortly for that gaff - but then again he's never been a Browns/Lions fan. There certainly is a Hell ask any Browns/Lions fan, I don't care what that ponderous,persecuted mess states. WJ will be servicable even decent but no Mel Blount,Neon Deon,Darrel Green, Rod or Charles Woodson,Champ bailey........
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OAM will be by to tighten you up shortly for that gaff - but then again he's never been a Browns/Lions fan. There certainly is a Hell ask any Browns/Lions fan, I don't care what that ponderous,persecuted mess states. WJ will be servicable even decent but no Mel Blount,Neon Deon,Darrel Green, Rod or Charles Woodson,Champ bailey........
odds of any CB becoming that in any draft are slim.....you're talking about probably 6 of the 10 greatest CB's to ever play in the NFL...
Will is the best CB in the draft bar none. He's going to be a STUD in the NFL. He's incredibly fluid and bendy for a guy 6'2, 200+ and what sets him apart from so many CB's are his instincts/football IQ and ball skills- he gets picks and takes them the other way.
His tape doesn't lie. Kid has insane PFF grades for man and zone coverage and his stats are out of this world and so is his tape. And oh yeah did I mention he's a fluid 6'2+, 200+ corner with elite ball skills and football IQ/instincts?
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He won't have Kyle McCord staring him down he threw 3 pick 6s vs PITT. WJ had one complete season surrounded by guys who won a CFB NC***. We shall see but bar none could be a stretch - I'll take the field then, feeling your M Oats. He's had 6 fackin' months w/o playing to get ready for the league but wouldn't/couldn't run a 40 on Monday??? Alrighty then,hopefully he'll perform better than last years M class on Sundays
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SECOND ROUND
- 33. BROWNS - QB Shedeur Sanders, Colorado
- 34. GIANTS - OG Tyler Booker, Alabama
- 35. TITANS - EDGE Landon Jackson, Arkansas
- 36. JAGUARS - DL Darius Alexander, Toledo
- 37. RAIDERS - CB Maxwell Hairston, Kentucky
- 38. PATRIOTS - OT JOSH CONERLY JR., OREGON
- 39. BEARS - RB Omarion Hampton, North Carolina
- 40. SAINTS - CB Trey Amos, Ole Miss
- 41. BEARS - EDGE J.T. TUIMOLOAU, OHIO STATE
- 42. JETS - WR Jayden Higgins, Iowa State
- 43. 49ERS - DT TYLIEK WILLIAMS, OHIO STATE
- 44. COWBOYS - CB Benjamin Morrison, Notre Dame
- 45. BILLS - CB Azareye'h Thomas, Florida State
- 46. FALCONS - OG DONOVAN JACKSON, OHIO STATE
- 47. CARDINALS - DL T.J. Sanders, South Carolina
- 48. DOLPHINS - OT AIREONTAE ERSERY, MINNESOTA
- 49. BENGALS - CB Darien Porter, Iowa State
- 50. CHIEFS - EDGE Princely Umanmielen, Ole Miss
- 51. BRONCOS - EDGE JACK SAWYER, OHIO STATE
Seahawks trade Pick #52 to Panthers for Pick #57 and 4th Round (#114)
- 52. PANTHERS - WR Elic Ayomanor, Stanford
- 53. BUCCANEERS - ILB CARSON SCHWESINGER, UCLA
- 54. PACKERS - WR Jack Bech, TCU
- 55. CHARGERS - TE Mason Taylor, LSU
- 56. BILLS - WR Tre Harris, Ole Miss
- 57. SEAHAWKS - OT Cameron Williams, Texas
- 58. TEXANS - IOL MARCUS MBOW, PURDUE
- 59. RAVENS - OG Jonah Savaiinaea, Arizona
- 60. LIONS - S Xavier Watts, Notre Dame
- 61. COMMANDERS - RB QUINSHOD JUDKINS, OHIO STATE
- 62. BILLS - EDGE Bradyn Swinson, LSU
- 63. CHIEFS - DL Alfred Collins, Texas
- 64. EAGLES - TE Elijah Arroyo, Miami
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If the Browns do that,just SMDH,Build a solid team all around then find a good game manager
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THIRD ROUND
- 65. GIANTS - QB Jaxson Dart, Ole Miss
- 66. CHIEFS - RB TREVEYON HENDERSON, OHIO STATE
- 67. BROWNS - WR Jalen Royals, Utah State
- 68. RAIDERS - WR Isaiah Bond, Texas
- 69. PATRIOTS - EDGE Kyle Kennard, South Carolina
- 70. JAGUARS - WR Jaylin Noel, Iowa State
- 71. JAGUARS - DL Omarr Norman-Lott, Tennessee
- 72. BEARS - DL Deone Walker, Kentucky
- 73. JETS - OT Wyatt Milum, West Virginia
Panthers trade Pick #74 to Cowboys for Pick #76 and 6th Round (#204)
- 74. COWBOYS - RB KALEB JOHNSON, IOWA
- 75. 49ERS - DE JORDAN BURCH, OREGON
- 76. PANTHERS - DL Shemar Turner, Texas A&M
- 77. PATRIOTS - RB Cam Skattebo, Arizona State
- 78. CARDINALS - OG Tate Ratledge, Georgia
- 79. TEXANS - DT C.J. WEST, INDIANA
- 80. BILLS - DL Joshua Farmer, Florida State
- 81. BENGALS - S Andrew Mukuba, Texas
- 82. CHIEFS - OT Ozzy Trapilo, Boston College
- 83. BENGALS - OC Jared Wilson, Georgia
- 84. BUCCANEERS - TE Harold Fannin Jr., Bowling Green
- 85. BRONCOS - RB Dylan Sampson, Tennessee
- 86. CHARGERS - EDGE JOSIAH STEWART, MICHIGAN
Seahawks trade Pick #87 to Titans for Two 4th Round (#103 and #120) and 6th (#188)
- 87. TITANS - QB Jalen Milroe, Alabama
- 88. JAGUARS - TE TERRANCE FERGUSON, OREGON
- 89. TEXANS - WR TEZ JOHNSON, OREGON
- 90. RAMS - ILB Demetrius Knight Jr., South Carolina
- 91. RAVENS - CB Jacob Parrish, Kansas State
- 92. SEAHAWKS - EDGE Jared Ivey, Ole Miss
- 93. JAGUARS - S KEVIN WINSTON JR., PENN STATE
- 94. BROWNS - DE Aeneas Peebles, Virginia Tech
- 95. CHIEFS - TE Gunnar Helm, Texas
- 96. EAGLES - EDGE OLUWAFEMI OLADEJO, UCLA
- 97. VIKINGS - DT JORDAN PHILLIPS, MARYLAND
- 98. DOLPHINS - WR Kyle Williams, Washington State
- 99. GIANTS - OT Charles Grant, William & Mary
- 100. 49ERS - OT Anthony Belton, NC State
- 101. RAMS - EDGE Ashton Gillotte, Louisville
- 102. VIKINGS - RB D.J. Giddens, Kansas State
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My 7 round mock draft with trades
FIRST ROUND
- 2. BROWNS - OT Will Campbell, LSU
I've heard some people say Campbell could fall due to a shorter than ideal wingspan for an NFL OT.
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alligator arms?
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alligator arms?
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FOURTH ROUND
Seahawks trade pick #103 and 7th Round (#223) to Cardinals for Pick #115 and 5th Round (#152)
- 103. CARDINALS - WR TAI FELTON, MARYLAND
- 104. BROWNS - RB Damien Martinez, Miami
- 105. GIANTS - EDGE David Walker, Central Arkansas
- 106. PATRIOTS - S LATHAN RANSOM, OHIO STATE
- 107. JAGUARS - OLB Chris Paul Jr., Ole Miss
- 108. RAIDERS - WR Savion Williams, TCU
- 109. BILLS - RB Bhayshul Tuten, Virginia Tech
- 110. JETS - WR Xavier Restrepo, Miami
- 111. PANTHERS - OLB Barrett Carter, Clemson
- 112. SAINTS - WR Tory Horton, Colorado State
- 113. 49ERS - OLB Eugene Asante, Auburn
- 114. SEAHAWKS - CB Dorian Strong, Virginia Tech
- 115. SEAHAWKS - DT JAMAREE CALDWELL, OREGON
- 116. DOLPHINS - CB Nohl Williams, California
- 117. COLTS - EDGE Barryn Sorrell, Texas
- 118. FALCONS - DE Sai'vion Jones, LSU
- 119. BENGALS - RB R.J. Harvey, Central Florida
- 120. SEAHAWKS - QB Quinn Ewers, Texas
- 121. BUCCANEERS - CB DENZEL BURKE, OHIO STATE
- 122. BRONCOS - OC Jake Majors, Texas
- 123. STEELERS - EDGE Tyler Baron, Miami
- 124. PACKERS - EDGE Antwaun Powell-Ryland, Virginia Tech
- 125. CHARGERS - WR Jimmy Horn Jr., Colorado
Jaguars trade Pick #126 to Commanders for Pick #128 and 7th Round (#245)
- 126. COMMANDERS - OT Emery Jones Jr., LSU
- 127. RAMS - S Jonas Sanker, Virginia
- 128. JAGUARS - CB Zy Alexander, LSU
- 129. RAVENS - DL J.J. Pegues, Ole Miss
- 130. LIONS - WR Nick Nash, San Jose State
- 131. SAINTS - OT Jalen Rivers, Miami
- 132. BILLS - S Billy Bowman Jr., Oklahoma
- 133. CHIEFS - OLB Que Robinson, Alabama
- 134. EAGLES - S SEBASTIAN CASTRO, IOWA
- 135. DOLPHINS - DL Vernon Broughton, Texas
- 136. RAVENS - ILB JEFFREY BASSA, OREGON
- 137. SEAHAWKS - S Caleb Ranshaw, Tulane
- 138. 49ERS - OC Drew Kendall, Boston College
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If the Browns do that,just SMDH,Build a solid team all around then find a good game manager
Shedeur in the 2nd rd is pretty good value imo. picking him in the top 5 a little risky, but taking him in the 2nd rd is all upside.
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(https://i.imgur.com/tm3Vwvk.jpeg)
We recruited the guy in the front. He was a 4-star from Lafourche. Good straight-line speed, but couldn't turn his hips for crap. UNO got him more NIL though and he went there. They ate him. He should've seen it coming, but he didn't, because Gators are stupid.
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I've heard some people say Campbell could fall due to a shorter than ideal wingspan for an NFL OT.
these GMs are so fucking stupid when it comes to this shit. apparently that is one of the reasons why the Jags passed up on Aidan Hutchinson with the #1 overall pick. smart move. not.
watch the tape. can he play, like really play. that's all that matters at the end of the day.
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Shedeur in the 2nd rd is pretty good value imo. picking him in the top 5 a little risky, but taking him in the 2nd rd is all upside.
Yeah, in reality there's no way he will be there in the 2nd round
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There is no way the browns are taking an ot at #2
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There is no way the browns are taking an ot at #2
It's more likely they take Shedeur at 2 than an OT, even though they have a lot more needs elsewhere on the team.
Also, the bettors have convinced themselves that Cam Ward will be the first pick(-20000!!!), much less make it to 17.
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Yeah, this is always what I'd do, not what will happen. QBs always going to go higher than they should
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Lots of Badgers listed here. I wish the Watts were part of it.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1912917366792479101 (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1912917366792479101)
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Yeah, in reality there's no way he will be there in the 2nd round
oh for sure, he's going to go super high. he's got enough height/size at 6'1.5", 212 lbs. (per NFL combine) and he's got enough arm- and he's played a ton of football starting 4 years in college at both FCS and P4/P5 level- with career average completion % of 70% and he's thrown for 14,000+ yards and 134 TD's vs only 27 INT's (averaging 33.5 TD's per year vs 6.75 INT's....that's pretty damn good) - all despite having basically no running game and no offensive line and piss poor defense backing him up. kid is tough as nails and smart as shit as a football player/QB with high football IQ.
still not sure I would touch him in the top 5-10 because of his helicopter father and his general douchebaggery. Cam Ward is the QB I'd take first, but after that Shedeur is easily 2nd best in the draft imo. Weak draft for QB.
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these GMs are so fucking stupid when it comes to this shit. apparently that is one of the reasons why the Jags passed up on Aidan Hutchinson with the #1 overall pick. smart move. not.
watch the tape. can he play, like really play. that's all that matters at the end of the day.
Saw an interview yrs back forget who it was that was on Jimmy's Dallas staff. He said all these coaches/scouts would come to Jimmy trying to sway him about particular prospect or impress him with their knowledge, always citing the different metrics and stats.
Scout: he ran a sub 4.4 Forty for a LB
Jimmy: ya but can he pla-ay?
Scout: he set the conference high jump record
Jimmy:Ya but can he pla-ay
Scout:He dead lifted 550 lbs just this week
Jimmy:Ya but can he pla-ay
Scout:He bench pressed 225lbs 40 X in a row
Jimmy:Ya but can he pla-ay
Scout:He's very intelligent in relation to the position he plays and can learn an NFL playbook
Jimmy:Ya but can he pla-ay
Scout: he has a high degree of football character and passion
Jimmy:Ya but can he pla-ay
Scout: he was in the top 5 at his position for combine physical testing
Jimmy:Ya but can he pla-ay
Scout: he finished no.1 at his position in the Wonderlic Test
Jimmy:Ya but can he pla-ay
Pretty funny Jimmy just kept pounding home the fact some guys aren't the biggest/fastest/smartest/strongest - just much better than those that appear so
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FIFTH ROUND
- 139. VIKINGS - CB Quincy Riley, Louisville
- 140. PANTHERS - OT AJANI CONELIUS, OREGON
- 141. TITANS - OLB Smael Mondon Jr., Georgia
- 142. JAGUARS - RB Jarquez Hunter, Auburn
- 143. RAIDERS - ILB Danny Stutsman, Oklahoma
- 144. PATRIOTS - OG Willie Lampkin, North Carolina
- 145. JETS - CB Zah Frazier, UTSA
- 146. PANTHERS - S Marques Sigle, Kansas State
- 147. 49ERS - RB Brashard Smith, SMU
- 148. BEARS - WR Theo Wease Jr., Missouri
- 149. COWBOYS - OLB Jack Kiser, Notre Dame
- 150. DOLPHINS - EDGE Elijah Roberts, SMU
- 151. COLTS - OLB KAIN MEDRANO, UCLA
Seahawks trade Pick #152 for two 6th Round (#190 and #195)
- 152. RAMS - QB WILL HOWARD, OHIO STATE
- 153. BENGALS - OG Miles Frazier, LSU
- 154. GIANTS - EDGE Kaimon Rucker, North Carolina
- 155. DOLPHINS - OG Dylan Fairchild, Georgia
- 156. STEELERS - RB Trevor Etienne, Georgia
- 157. BUCCANEERS - WR Dont'e Thornton, Tennessee
- 158. CHARGERS - CB Cobee Bryant, Kansas
- 159. PACKERS - DT YAHYA BLACK, IOWA
- 160. 49ERS - WR PAT BRYANT, ILLINOIS
- 161. EAGLES - WR Isaac TeSlaa, Arkansas
- 162. JETS - QB Kyle McCord, Syracuse
- 163. PANTHERS - CB Upton Stout, Western Kentucky
- 164. EAGLES - OG Jackson Slater, Sacramento State
- 165. EAGLES - CB JAYLIN SMITH, USC
- 166. TEXANS - RB KALEL MULLINGS, MICHIGAN
- 167. TITANS - WR Jaylin Lane, Virginia Tech
- 168. EAGLES - OT Logan Brown, Kansas
- 169. BILLS - OT Chase Lundt, Connecticut
- 170. BILLS - ILB Shemar James, Florida
- 171. PATRIOTS - DT TY HAMILTON, OHIO STATE
- 172. SEAHAWKS - IOL Clay Webb, Jacksonville State
- 173. BILLS - OG CONNOR COLBY, IOWA
- 174. COWBOYS - EDGE JAH JOYNER, MINNESOTA
- 175. SEAHAWKS - TE Oronde Gadsden, Syracuse
- 176. RAVENS - S Kitan Crawford, Nevada
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I've heard some people say Campbell could fall due to a shorter than ideal wingspan for an NFL OT.
Then the Browns will trade up to no 1 and get him since they have no 1s to piss away now that they've been deshauned
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Pretty funny Jimmy just kept pounding home the fact some guys aren't the biggest/fastest/smartest/strongest - just much better than those that appear so
Seems to be an assumption that kind of stuff will matter in the league where it may not have in college. We've had a number of collegiate stand-outs in my lifetime who had none of the stars and none of the measurables.....they could just play, and they did great in Baton Rouge. I can't think of any where it translated to the NFL. A lot of them got shots, but their ability to "play" just couldn't bail them out when all the other athletes were the elite of the elite, I guess.
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Seems to be an assumption that kind of stuff will matter in the league where it may not have in college. We've had a number of collegiate stand-outs in my lifetime who had none of the stars and none of the measurables.....they could just play, and they did great in Baton Rouge. I can't think of any where it translated to the NFL. A lot of them got shots, but their ability to "play" just couldn't bail them out when all the other athletes were the elite of the elite, I guess.
Yeah. Because the guys who make it at that level can all just "play", AND they have all the other elite measurables to go along with it.
It's even true at QB. You simply can't make it in the NFL if you can't make all the throws, because windows close too quickly at that level if you don't have the arm strength. And if there's an area of the field you can't attack because you can't make the throw, defenses learn that pretty quickly and get better at taking away the rest of the field because they don't have to worry about those throws.
That doesn't mean you have to be able throw it 70 yards from your knees. But there's a certain minimum level, and you'll get eaten alive in the NFL if you're below it.
On the other hand, I think the story is largely about the fact that if you have ALL those measurables but you can't just "play", the measurables are worthless. You have to have both.
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Yeah. Because the guys who make it at that level can all just "play", AND they have all the other elite measurables to go along with it.
It's even true at QB. You simply can't make it in the NFL if you can't make all the throws, because windows close too quickly at that level if you don't have the arm strength. And if there's an area of the field you can't attack because you can't make the throw, defenses learn that pretty quickly and get better at taking away the rest of the field because they don't have to worry about those throws.
That doesn't mean you have to be able throw it 70 yards from your knees. But there's a certain minimum level, and you'll get eaten alive in the NFL if you're below it.
On the other hand, I think the story is largely about the fact that if you have ALL those measurables but you can't just "play", the measurables are worthless. You have to have both.
well yeah that's obvious- there are minimum thresholds but these NFL GM's/Scouts go way over board with this stuff and overthink shit to the nth degree. I don't care if a 6'6, 310+ lbs OT or 6'6, 260+ lbs DE has arms that are an inch or two short. I don't care if a 6'2, 200+ lbs CB doesn't run a 4.3....can all of the above move fluidly, are they athletic enough and meet those min thresholds and more importantly can they actually play the game at a high level. If a CB or WR runs a 4.5 it's not a big deal. At all. Now if they run a 4.7 or 4.8....well then it might be......
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SIXTH ROUND
- 177. BILLS - QB Tyler Shough, Louisville
- 178. TITANS - S HUNTER WOHLER, WISCONSIN
- 179. BROWNS - DL Tim Smith, Alabama
- 180. RAIDERS - S Craig Woodson, California
- 181. CHARGERS - RB Tahj Brooks, Texas Tech
- 182. JAGUARS - QB DILLON GABRIEL, OREGON
Ravens trade #183 Pick and 6th Round (Pick #212) to Jets for Pick #186 and 6th Round (#207)
- 183. JETS - DE Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, Georgia
Saints trade Pick #184 to Jaguars for Pick #194 and 7th Round (#221)
- 184. SAINTS - DE Tonka Hemingway, South Carolina
- 185. STEELERS - OT JACK NELSON, WISCONSIN
- 186. RAVENS - WR Kobe Hudson, Central Florida
- 187. VIKINGS - CB TOMMI HILL, NEBRASKA
- 188. SEAHAWKS - ILB JAY HIGGINS, IOWA
- 189. COLTS - CB Mac McWilliams, Central Florida
- 190. SEAHAWKS - RB LeQuint Allen, Syracuse
- 191. BRONCOS - CB Alijah Huzzie, North Carolina
- 192. BROWNS - LB KOBE KING, PENN STATE
- 193. BENGALS - TE Ben Yurosek, Georgia
- 194. JAGUARS - OG Jacob Bayer, Arkansas State
- 195. SEAHAWKS - OLB TYREEM POWELL, RUTGERS
- 196. LIONS - IOL TYLER COOPER, MINNESOTA
- 197. BRONCOS - CB Mello Dotson, Kansas
- 198. PACKERS - OT Xavier Truss, Georgia
- 199. CHARGERS - LB Karene Reid, Utah
- 200. BROWNS - CB JABBAR MUHAMMAD, OREGON
- 201. RAMS - CB B.J. Adams, Central Florida
- 202. RAMS - RB JORDAN JAMES, OREGON
- 203. RAVENS - TE Gavin Bartholomew, Pittsburgh
- 204. PANTHERS - TE MOLIKI MOTAVEO, UCLA
- 205. COMMANDERS - S Malachi Moore, Alabama
Bills trade Pick #206 to Raiders for Pick #213 and #215
- 206. RAIDERS - DE Fadil Diggs, Syracuse
- 207. JETS - DL TY ROBINSON, NEBRASKA
- 208. BRONCOS - TE Jackson Hawes, Georgia Tech
- 209. CHARGERS - OG Luke Kandra, Cincinnati
- 210. RAVENS - OLB CODY SIMON, OHIO STATE
- 211. COWBOYS - CB O'Donnell Fortune, South Carolina
- 212. RAVENS - OT Jalen Travis, Iowa State
- 213. BILLS - TE C.J. Dippre, Alabama
- 214. CHARGERS - OT Brandon Crenshaw Dickson, Florida
Bills trade Pick #215 to Saints for two 7th Round Picks (#221 and #248)
- 215. SAINTS - RB JO'QUAVIOUS MARKS, USC
- 216. BROWNS - OC SETH MCLAUGHLIN, OHIO STATE
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well yeah that's obvious- there are minimum thresholds but these NFL GM's/Scouts go way over board with this stuff and overthink shit to the nth degree. I don't care if a 6'6, 310+ lbs OT or 6'6, 260+ lbs DE has arms that are an inch or two short. I don't care if a 6'2, 200+ lbs CB doesn't run a 4.3....can all of the above move fluidly, are they athletic enough and meet those min thresholds and more importantly can they actually play the game at a high level. If a CB or WR runs a 4.5 it's not a big deal. At all. Now if they run a 4.7 or 4.8....well then it might be......
Well yeah...
At the margins, I'd think it's important to lean towards "can the dude just flat out PLAY?" over "are his arms an inch or two short??"
I think this is where some GMs overthink things trying to compare two 1st round prospects 5 spots apart on "mock" boards, taking the athletic freak over the guy who just flat out produces.
But it's completely different discussion than someone in the 2nd round vs someone in the 6th. And it's also a completely different discussion from what @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) brought up, which is guys who have no STARZ coming out of HS because their measurables suck, but can produce at the college level--and yet ultimately run into a talent deficit too significant at the NFL level to produce.
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SEVENTH ROUND
- 217. COWBOYS - OT Carson Vinson, Alabama A&M
Falcons trade Pick #218 to Packers for Picks #237 and 250
- 218. PACKERS - RB Devin Neal, Kansas
- 219. GIANTS - CB Bilhal Kone, Western Michigan
- 220. PATRIOTS - DT Cam Jackson, Florida
Bills trade Pick #221 and #248 to Cardinals for Picks #223 and #225
- 221. CARDINALS - RB Raheim Sanders, South Carolina
- 222. RAIDERS - OC JONAH MONHEIM, USC
Bills trade Pick #223 to Dolphins for Pick #224 and Pick #253
- 223. DOLPHINS - RB Jaydon Blue, Texas
Bills trade Pick #224 to Lions for Pick #228 and Pick #244
- 224. LIONS - RB Ollie Gordon II, Oklahoma State
Bills trade Pick #225 to Falcons for Picks #242 and #250
- 225. FALCONS - RB DONOVAN EDWARDS, MICHIGAN
- 226. CHIEFS - CB JORDAN HANCOCK, OHIO STATE
- 227. 49ERS - OG Garrett Dellinger, LSU
- 228. BILLS - OC Joshua Gray, Oregon State
- 229. STEELERS - DL Zeek Biggers, Georgia Tech
- 230. PANTHERS - ILB Jamon Dumas-Johnson, Kentucky
- 231. DOLPHINS - ILB Teddy Buchananan, California
Colts trade Pick #232 to Texans for Pick #236 and #241
- 232. TEXANS - DE Tyler Batty, BYU
- 233. BEARS - CB ROBERT LONGERBEAM, RUTGERS
- 234. SEAHAWKS - P James Burnip, Alabama
- 235. BUCCANEERS - DL Howard Cross III, Notre Dame
Colts trade Pick #236 to Cowboys for Picks #239 and 248
- 236. COWBOYS - TE Jake Briningstool, Clemson
Falcons trade Pick #237 to Colts for Picks #239 and #248
- 237. COLTS - OT HOLLIN PIERCE, RUTGERS
- 238. PATRIOTS - TE Jalin Conyers, Texas Tech
- 239. FALCONS - OLB Collin Oliver, Oklahoma State
- 240. BEARS - CB Jason Marshall, Florida
- 241. COLTS - QB Riley Leonard, Notre Dame
- 242. BILLS - OLB Nick Martin, Oklahoma State
- 243. RAVENS - RB Marcus Yarns, Delaware
- 244. BILLS - K Ryan Fitzgerald, Florida State
- 245. JAGUARS - ILB CODY LINDENBURG, MINNESOTA
- 246. GIANTS - WR KADEN PRATHER, MARYLAND
- 247. COWBOYS - DL Eric Gregory, Arkansas
- 248. FALCONS - WR Ricky White III, UNLV
- 249. 49ERS - S JAYLEN REED, PENN STATE
- 250. BILLS - DE Riley Mills, Notre Dame
- 251. CHIEFS - WR Bru McCoy, Tennessee
- 252. 49ERS - QB KURTIS ROURKE, INDIANA
- 253. BILLS - OT John Williams, Cincinnati
- 254. SAINTS - CB JUSTIN WALLEY, MINNESOTA
- 255. BROWNS - TE Mitchell Evans, Notre Dame
- 256. CHARGERS - ILB Francisco Mauioga, Miami
- 257. CHIEFS - S R.J. Mickens, Clemson
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It's no wonder why the Badgers suck these days. Only 2 players drafted, and both in the 6th round.
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MSU with none. They were one of I believe 5 schools that had a player drafted in the entire NFL merger era, and it was broken a couple years ago, and I think this would make it 3 times in 4 years since then with none drafted
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Huskers suffered a prolonged drought recently
had some free agents picked and playing in the league, but if you don't win, you don't get invited to the combine and you don't get drafted
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Huskers suffered a prolonged drought recently
had some free agents picked and playing in the league, but if you don't win, you don't get invited to the combine and you don't get drafted
I want to say the last 5 were UM, MSU, Nebraska, Florida and USC, and now it might be just UM and Florida?
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It's no wonder why the Badgers suck these days. Only 2 players drafted, and both in the 6th round.
turns out having lots of future NFL players on your roster wins you games. hey, who knew?
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(https://i.imgur.com/ywOiSbP.jpeg)
Gotta give credit to Frost for moving Cam from TE to Center
just wish someone could have taught Cam to hike/snap the ball properly while at UNL
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Browns just absolutely fleeced the Jags to move down 3 spots and get the Jags 2nd rd pick this year and their 1st rd pick in 2026.
Browns might actually turn this ship around….if they don’t blow the picks…
Travis Hunter is going to be a disappointment in the NFL imo. Jags gave up too much to get him- they are ass they need everything not just one player.
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Giants got the best player in the draft at #3. Talk about value.
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Mason Graham at #5 and getting an extra 2025 2nd rd pick and a top 10 1st rd pick in 2026?
Browns winning the draft rn.
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So how many of you can say a #1 pick came from the same HS as you? LOL.
The whole town and community is buzzing!
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Colston Loveland to the Bears. God damn they are going to have offensive weapons galore.
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TEs and Guards in the top 12?
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TEs and Guards in the top 12?
the guard I get. you win games in the nfl with QBs and big people on the LoS.
TEs in the top 15 are luxury picks. I’m not doing it. Ever.
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why take a guard when you can take a tackle?
and move them to guard if they can't play tackle
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I want to say the last 5 were UM, MSU, Nebraska, Florida and USC, and now it might be just UM and Florida?
And we won the nattie in hoops!!!
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why take a guard when you can take a tackle?
and move them to guard if they can't play tackle
you take a guard at 12 if all the good tackles are already gone and there’s a great guard worth taking. That’s exactly what happened.
Larry Allen is the greatest offensive linemen to ever play in the nfl. What position did he play? Guard.
don't sleep on a dominant guard.
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you take a guard at 12 if all the good tackles are already gone and there’s a great guard worth taking. That’s exactly what happened.
Larry Allen is the greatest offensive linemen to ever play in the nfl. What position did he play? Guard.
don't sleep on a dominant guard.
He's just saying the consensus thought. Guards rarely go so early.
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I forgot the draft started tonight. Man, I used to LOVE this day. I used to know everything about college guys and NFL teams, but since the NFL has fallen off a cliff in my fandom, it makes the draft kind of 'meh.'
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Will Johnson slide is baffling.
Would love to see him go to Denver and pair up with Patrick Surtain Jr. Good luck completing passes on that.
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I guess it pays to be on the field. Denver takes a CB not named Johnson.
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So much brazen exaggerating of crowds at draft.
I'm supposed to believe there are more people here than at this 2.5 mile oval below.
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I guess it pays to be on the field. Denver takes a CB not named Johnson.
has to be something going on with his medicals. he’s a top 10 pick all day long just based on his film.
Steelers pass on Sheduer. He probably slips out of the 1st now.
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oh well, his CU jersey is retired
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here's your chance Will Johnson - the Vikings NEED a corner!
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here's your chance Will Johnson - the Vikings NEED a corner!
apparently his knee is Swiss cheese. makes sense why he’s free falling.
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well, shoot, they needed a guard too
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Giants trading up…probably for Sheduer.
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Nope…traded up for Jaxson Dart. Wow.
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Falcons just traded their 1st round pick next year to move up to take James Pearce Jr from Atlanta.
Dude has huge question marks and character issues. That’s a lot to give up to take a guy with red flags.
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https://twitter.com/draftanalyst365/status/1915607149817811126?s=46
https://twitter.com/tonyrenghini/status/1915431484821037203?s=46
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1915596346637128052?s=46
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Anybody know the percentage of first rounders who are busts?
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Anybody know the percentage of first rounders who are busts?
Lemme check with the Bears and get back to you.
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I've mentioned before the rather obvious note that without great lines, you aren't going to do much by stocking great talent otherwise.
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Anybody know the percentage of first rounders who are busts?
What do you define as a bust?
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Let's say a player who never starts a game.
We might include players who started fewer than ten games in their career.
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1915596346637128052?s=46
I understand medical records are protected and obviously Will would want to keep this secret, BUT........
if all the NFL teams know this, why wouldn't the draft gurus have a clue?
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The arrogance.
https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1915516693612474847 (https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1915516693612474847)
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https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1915547708527403471 (https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1915547708527403471)
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(https://i.imgur.com/jKZG2Oa.jpeg)
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Saw this on a Longhorn message board:
Ohio State’s 2021 wide receiver room was one of the most loaded position groups in college football history, especially during spring practice.
Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jameson Williams, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Emeka Egbuka made up Ohio State’s two-deep at wide receiver that spring. Four years later, all six of them are now in the NFL as first-round draft picks.
Wilson (No. 10 overall, New York Jets), Olave (No. 11, New Orleans Saints) and Williams (No. 12, Detroit Lions) were all selected in the first round of the 2022 NFL draft. Smith-Njigba (No. 20, Seattle Seahawks) was a first-round pick in 2023. Harrison became the highest-drafted wide receiver in Ohio State history (No. 4, Arizona Cardinals) in 2024. Egbuka became the sixth first-round pick from that group when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers selected him with the No. 19 overall pick in Thursday night’s first round of the 2025 NFL draft.
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So much brazen exaggerating of crowds at draft.
Everything about this year's draft media is comically over the top. How did ESPN let their draft "gurus" - McShay and Kiper - get so embarrassingly duped by Shedeur Sanders hype? As if Deion getting both to praise Shedeur for a month straight would get a dumber franchise, like the Raiders, excited over his kid.
On the other side, it was so obvious certain teams were using the draft media to under-hype (or even slander) prospects they wanted, cooling earlier round interest in hopes of later round availability. Clearest example was WR Tetairoa McMillan getting called "lazy" all week.
These background tactics have been used before, as far back as when I started making a Saturday of watching the NFL draft in 1999, but this year it seems like the draft media puppets aren't even bothering to hide who they're tipping for.
https://twitter.com/avl_mike/status/1915032367850295554
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draft media puppets have always been stupid and wrong - thanks Mel
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The arrogance.
like father like son
the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree
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Holy cow......Will Campbell last night became just the second LSU OL ever taken in the first round, joining Alan Faneca.
And that's despite a slew of guys who had good careers, and several like Whitworth, McClure, Mawae and some others who were great.
We're not exactly OLU, I guess.
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Saw this on a Longhorn message board:
Ohio State’s 2021 wide receiver room was one of the most loaded position groups in college football history, especially during spring practice.
Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jameson Williams, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Emeka Egbuka made up Ohio State’s two-deep at wide receiver that spring. Four years later, all six of them are now in the NFL as first-round draft picks.
Wilson (No. 10 overall, New York Jets), Olave (No. 11, New Orleans Saints) and Williams (No. 12, Detroit Lions) were all selected in the first round of the 2022 NFL draft. Smith-Njigba (No. 20, Seattle Seahawks) was a first-round pick in 2023. Harrison became the highest-drafted wide receiver in Ohio State history (No. 4, Arizona Cardinals) in 2024. Egbuka became the sixth first-round pick from that group when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers selected him with the No. 19 overall pick in Thursday night’s first round of the 2025 NFL draft.
That's impeccable scouting.
The odds of all of those guys hitting, even though they were blue chip recruits, is pretty wild.
Seems like half of TN's blue chips flame out in short order.
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That's impeccable scouting.
The odds of all of those guys hitting, even though they were blue chip recruits, is pretty wild.
Seems like half of TN's blue chips flame out in short order.
Actually, Olave was very unheralded and under the radar. He was a three star recruit that Ryan Day accidentally discovered when he went to California to recruit Jack Tuttle as a quarterback.😂
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Actually, Olave was very unheralded and under the radar. He was a three star recruit that Ryan Day accidentally discovered when he went to California to recruit Jack Tuttle as a quarterback.😂
Even better scouting!
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Holy cow......Will Campbell last night became just the second LSU OL ever taken in the first round, joining Alan Faneca.
And that's despite a slew of guys who had good careers, and several like Whitworth, McClure, Mawae and some others who were great.
We're not exactly OLU, I guess.
That's actually hard to believe.
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The "experts" are, um ....
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That's impeccable scouting.
The odds of all of those guys hitting, even though they were blue chip recruits, is pretty wild.
Seems like half of TN's blue chips flame out in short order.
don't discount the development/coaching
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I don't hate the Lions' pick, but man, I couldn't have run to the podium quicker to pick Mike Green if I were Brad Holmes
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I don't hate the Lions' pick, but man, I couldn't have run to the podium quicker to pick Mike Green if I were Brad Holmes
I don’t hate the pick either- and I’m always one that likes taking the trench players with high draft picks- cause that’s where games will always be won or lost- in the trenches- but think they could’ve gotten Tyleik in the 2nd rd.
I’d have taken Will Johnson at 28 just because you’re getting top 5-10 player value that late and he’s got All-Pro/Pro Bowl potential- but his medicals on that knee must be downright atrocious if no one took him late.
I trust Brad Holmes- but Jihaad Campbell or Mike Green would’ve been better picks imo. More upside and more raw talent and it’d be nice if they gave Hutch some real help and get another pass rusher opposite him.
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The seem to prioritize tackling over coverage skills in their CBs. For better or for worse.
And, I kind of wonder how much due diligence they did on Johnson, assuming he would be nowhere near falling to them. Maybe scared off by other who did passing on him due to medicals
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If the Browns do that,just SMDH,Build a solid team all around then find a good game manager
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Browns QB room: Watson, Lil Deion, Kenny Pickett, Joe Flacco.
Please make this happen!
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I don’t hate the pick either- and I’m always one that likes taking the trench players with high draft picks- cause that’s where games will always be won or lost- in the trenches- but think they could’ve gotten Tyleik in the 2nd rd.
I’d have taken Will Johnson at 28 just because you’re getting top 5-10 player value that late and he’s got All-Pro/Pro Bowl potential- but his medicals on that knee must be downright atrocious if no one took him late.
I trust Brad Holmes- but Jihaad Campbell or Mike Green would’ve been better picks imo. More upside and more raw talent and it’d be nice if they gave Hutch some real help and get another pass rusher opposite him.
As a Lions fan, I like the pick. Discaimer #1: as I have said, in this form before, if I had to make a living, deciding which college football player would become a great pro, I would be a very poor man.
Disclaimer #2: I’m obviously biased because it’s a player. I watched every game for the last two years. This last year virtually, nobody could run on Ohio State and he is the reason. They built their whole run defense around him, blowing up Run plays and pass protection and taking on double teams very well. For a guy that weighs over 300 pounds he’s got the feet of a ballerina. I think he will help Detroit a lot
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A handy infographic for you all:
(https://i.imgur.com/MQkoLop.png)
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A handy infographic for you all:
(https://i.imgur.com/MQkoLop.png)
Michigan, Texas, Georgia, Ohio State pretty dominant there, pretty much in that order. Although Ohio State has 4 guys taken, which is not nothing and maybe should bump them up.
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Nope…traded up for Jaxson Dart. Wow.
Well he had a 180 QBR, back-to-back 10 win seasons and finished as the program's all time leader in passing yards, surpassing Eli Manning at Ole Miss. Might be something there
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Will Johnson goes to the Cardinals. Imagine those practices, Marv vs Will. Would pay to see that.
Mind blowing the Cardinals got a top 5-10 player overall type prospect at #47. Dude is that good, he’ll be their day 1 starter at outside corner and in the running for defensive rookie of the year.
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The Bears are really going to find out if Caleb Williams is legit. No excuses.
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Will Johnson goes to the Cardinals. Imagine those practices, Marv vs Will. Would pay to see that.
Mind blowing the Cardinals got a top 5-10 player overall type prospect at #47. Dude is that good, he’ll be their day 1 starter at outside corner and in the running for defensive rookie of the year.
if his knee holds up
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Shredder been picked yet?
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The Bears are really going to find out if Caleb Williams is legit. No excuses.
100%.
He's got weapons fucking galore and one of the best offensive coaches in the NFL scheming things up for him. If he can't succeed with that coach and all of those weapons.....man.
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Shredder been picked yet?
nope.
Tyler Shough, Jalen Milroe, and Dillon Gabriel all got picked. Shedeur hasn't. I'm taking Shredder over him- but Milroe I can kind of get because of the insane physical talent....that kid is built like a tank and is a freak show athlete with a rocket launcher of an arm even if it's a little wild and inconsistent. Tyler Shough and Dillon Gabriel? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Shredder is light years better player and prospect than either of them imo.
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The Bears are really going to find out if Caleb Williams is legit. No excuses.
Should have kept Fields.
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agreed
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nope.
Tyler Shough, Jalen Milroe, and Dillon Gabriel all got picked. Shedeur hasn't. I'm taking Shredder over him- but Milroe I can kind of get because of the insane physical talent....that kid is built like a tank and is a freak show athlete with a rocket launcher of an arm even if it's a little wild and inconsistent. Tyler Shough and Dillon Gabriel? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Shredder is light years better player and prospect than either of them imo.
guessin Shredder's head is a mess
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Should have kept Fields.
I was in that camp, but with Ben Johnson at the helm and the way the Bears have loaded up on offensive weapons.....2025 might be Caleb's breakout year and a huge year for the Bears and a really fun season to watch for Bears fans.
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might
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might
yup. all depends on how well the OL comes together, health of the plethora of weapons, and of course Caleb. they have everything in place to be a really explosive offense- especially with the guy calling the plays- he's a wizard.
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I glanced briefly at the draft on TV last night. I'm a bit amazed how many folks show up for this, but I realize it's really to have a large party.
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these guys are gonna make each other so much better going at it in practice....sick pic. Cardinals got the best NFL draft WR prospect since Ja'Marr Chase and best CB prospect since PSII. Crazy. Too bad Kylar Murray is the QB.
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The sports bar I stopped in last night to catch the Lakers playoff game also had the NFL Draft airing on several flat screens. They had switched over to the NFL Network's coverage because even they agreed - ESPN's Draft coverage is "shameless shite." How is Mel Kiper STILL pimping Shedeur Sanders as the Draft's best quarterback?!?!
I have a theory why ESPN's Draft coverage got so exposed this year: Remember ESPN showcasing Jon Gruden's "QB Camp" for nearly a decade, where Gruden, a former NFL coach, would work with college quarterbacks, offering film study and one-on-one coaching to prepare QB prospects for the Draft? And most of his Monday Night Football announcing focused on QB play? Over time, not just through Gruden, ESPN's NFL coverage, to include the Draft, focused too totally on the QB.
About ten years ago when living for a half-decade in the Washington DC area, I would sometimes listen to the Orioles/Ravens flagship station, WBAL out of Baltimore. On Fridays during football season their afternoon hosts helmed a two-hour call-in block they termed "Flacco Free Fridays." Meaning all Ravens calls had to focus somewhere besides Flacco (and the Head Coach). This instantly diversified the show's football analysis. Fans would call to discuss 1) why the GM wasn't targeting more WRs in past drafts, 2) why a certain linebacker might be consistently playing out of position, 3) why the play-calling was so reluctant to pass on first down, 4) why the TEs were game-planned more for blocking than pass-catching, etc. One of the better football radio shows I've listened to, all because the hosts steered the discussion away from devolving into QB blaming.
ESPN's NFL coverage has entirely devolved into QB talk. So what happens when ESPN has to cover a Draft of relatively weaker QB prospects (like this year)? Their "draft gurus" Todd McShay and especially Mel Kiper get completely exposed - exposed for not knowing how to talk about anything besides Quarterbacks. Back when Gruden was on ESPN's Draft day desk, he couldn't speak to Linebacker analysis other than to exclaim "That's MY guy! He's a FOOTBALL player!" (Gruden's literal words.)
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nope.
Tyler Shough, Jalen Milroe, and Dillon Gabriel all got picked. Shedeur hasn't. I'm taking Shredder over him- but Milroe I can kind of get because of the insane physical talent....that kid is built like a tank and is a freak show athlete with a rocket launcher of an arm even if it's a little wild and inconsistent.
So Jamarcus Russell
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these guys are gonna make each other so much better going at it in practice....sick pic. Cardinals got the best NFL draft WR prospect since Ja'Marr Chase and best CB prospect since PSII. Crazy. Too bad Kylar Murray is the QB.
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What is the web address? be interesting listening
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I don't hate the Lions' pick, but man, I couldn't have run to the podium quicker to pick Mike Green if I were Brad Holmes
I dunno one accusation in high school and one at Virginia as an unknown then? So two totally different people and places weren't looking to score a payday
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NFL Draft Pick Bust Rate Remains Very High - Daily Norseman (https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high)
Five years ago I did a piece detailing how most draft picks are busts (https://www.dailynorseman.com/2017/4/12/15274148/most-nfl-draft-picks-are-busts), based on a study of 1996-2016 draft picks. The results, which are based on the Pro Football Reference AV metric, are sobering:
- 16.7% didn’t play for the team that drafted them
- 37% were considered useless. They either didn’t play much or didn’t make the team.
- 15.3% were considered poor. Had limited playing time and didn’t do well in the time they had.
- 10.5% were considered average. These are mediocre players that had starts or significant contributions over 2-3 years.
- 12.3% were considered good. These could be mediocre or average players that were multi-year starters, Pat Elflein or Christian Ponder for example, or perhaps some genuinely good players that didn’t last all that long for the team that drafted them- Sidney Rice for example. This is where the AV metric can over-rate a player based on the number of starts, rather than their performance while on the field.
- 6.9% were considered Great. This category is the first that includes undeniably good draft picks. In order to be considered great, they would’ve had to play for the team that drafted them into a second contract, and also performed well over those years.
- 1% were considered legendary. These are future Hall of Famers, multi-year All-Pros among the best in the league for most of their relatively long careers.
And so only about 8% of draft picks are players that really make much of a difference beyond replacement value, and only about 30% see much playing time or make a significant contribution to the team.
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Given this, if true, would a poor team just be better off trading EVERY first round pick for a bevy of second rounders, or thirds? Crap shoot?
You get one good player about every three drafts from Round 1?
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Given this, if true, would a poor team just be better off trading EVERY first round pick for a bevy of second rounders, or thirds? Crap shoot?
You get one good player about every three drafts from Round 1?
No, that's ALL draft picks, not just first rounders.
Looks like 20% of picks are considered "good", "great", or "legendary". I'd have to look at the data set, but my guess is that AT least half of those were round 1 picks. And that far below 10% of those are 7th rounders.
Given that the first round is 1/7th of the draft, or 14.2%, and 20% of picks are good, great, or legendary, it would seem to me that your first rounder is "good" or better more often than not.
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Browns just absolutely fleeced the Jags to move down 3 spots and get the Jags 2nd rd pick this year and their 1st rd pick in 2026.
Just hope they don't piss them away like '12/'13/'14 Drafts - amazing any Browns fans my age have a liver left
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Just hope they don't piss them away like '12/'13/'14 Drafts - amazing any Browns fans my age have a liver left
😂
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1916195117595087189
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No, that's ALL draft picks, not just first rounders.
Looks like 20% of picks are considered "good", "great", or "legendary". I'd have to look at the data set, but my guess is that AT least half of those were round 1 picks. And that far below 10% of those are 7th rounders.
Given that the first round is 1/7th of the draft, or 14.2%, and 20% of picks are good, great, or legendary, it would seem to me that your first rounder is "good" or better more often than not.
I missed that, I was searching for first round busts, which would give a better ratio. Thanks.
First-round draft hit rates: Tracking rates from the best (centers) to the worst (WRs)
The highest hit rates all involve the offensive line. Centers are the most likely position to re-sign, with 11 of the 12 first-rounders in the 20 drafts earning second contracts with their drafting team. Tackles were the only other group over 50 percent, with 38 of 64 hitting. Guards were at 50 percent. (https://draftwire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2024/04/25/first-round-draft-hit-rates-tracking-rates-from-the-best-centers-to-the-worst-wrs/73449048007/)
NFL DRAFT HUB: Live NFL Draft news, live picks, grades, analysis and more. (https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/football/nfl/draft)
At the other end of the spectrum, drafting a wide receiver in the first round is seldom a long-term proposition. Just 21 of the 77 first-round wideouts signed second deals with the team that drafted them, a 27 percent hit rate. Tight ends weren't much better, with just 33 percent.
(https://i.imgur.com/dOa7CNg.png) (https://draftwire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2024/04/25/first-round-draft-hit-rates-tracking-rates-from-the-best-centers-to-the-worst-wrs/73449048007/)
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😂
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1916195117595087189
LMAO
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😂
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1916195117595087189
Great Timing CAT - bastage,ya know I don't mind it can't end up any worse than Watson/Weeden/Manziel. Even though it's the BROWNS - IT CAN'T 🙃
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That's an interesting way to slice it.
Not that I'm going to disagree with their methodology, as I think "re-signing with original drafting team" is a valuable metric. That would obviously be a "hit". And I can understand calling someone who doesn't make it a "miss".
However, I wouldn't necessarily call someone who simply moves to a new team and is still a productive football player a "bust". So it doesn't really answer your question.
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I'd guess the "move to another team" is not position dependent, but a constant, so perhaps the relative positioning is correct.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - we as a collective could select better as we cover CFB pretty well across rooting interests and love of the game. Watson is done(prolly) but the BROWNS picked up Kenny Pickett as a FA they also signed Joe Flacco.But why take both Sanders & Gabrial??? Could have used one of those picks up front. Unless Jimmy Hasbeen was meddling again Andrew Barry needs to pull his head out of the plumbing and peruse scouting reports
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So only draft centers???
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Texans need OL to protect CJ so they trade a 3rd round pick to pick an RB in the 4th round? :017: That's not going to help Woody Marks find any holes either
Houston sent No. 179 and a 2026 third rounder to Miami in exchange for No. 116 and No. 224 in 2025.
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A tie has been compared to kissing your sister....that's sort of the feeling I get when numerous transfers who left Florida get drafted.
The Panthers drafted 1 Gator and 2 former Gators. Weird.
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6'5", 450 lb Desmond Watson has signed with TB as an UDFA.
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A tie has been compared to kissing your sister....that's sort of the feeling I get when numerous transfers who left Florida get drafted.
The Panthers drafted 1 Gator and 2 former Gators. Weird.
Chimre Dike.
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2 Badgers, 7th round.
No further questions.
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2 Huskers - Final day
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Player Drafted By Cleveland Browns Decides To Just Retire Instead | Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/player-drafted-by-cleveland-browns-decides-to-just-retire-instead?utm_source=The Babylon Bee)
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Kalel Mullings gets drafted after really only playing 1 year of RB and actually getting carries.
Donovan Edwards goes undrafted. Man what a fall he had after that sophomore season where it looked like he could’ve been a really high pick. Just super disappointing Jr & Sr seasons. He should’ve signed a UFA contract with someone who would know how to use him. Doubt that the Jets will.
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Edwards led UM in carries in zero seasons. Whether it's because he was a backup or injured, there you have it.
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Crazy how life works.
Shedeur is a value pick in the 5th rd. Can’t lose on that, only upside.
He’s got a real shot to be their stater by the end of the year. Deshaun Watson is done, Joe Flacco is 100 years old, Kenny Pickett literally sucks, and Dillon Gabriel is a midget without the necessary required bare minimum physical tools to excel in the NFL imo.
Shredder might actually be their starter by years end.
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Edwards led UM in carries in zero seasons. Whether it's because he was a backup or injured, there you have it.
still shocked he didn’t get drafted- he’s uber talented and shown more than enough flashes of what he could be. Michigan coaching staff had no idea how to properly use his skill set.
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Perhaps have started by getting him the ball more, lol.
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How did ESPN let their draft "gurus" - McShay and Kiper - get so embarrassingly duped by Shedeur Sanders hype? As if Deion getting both to praise Shedeur for a month straight would get a dumber franchise, like the Raiders, excited over his kid.
On the other side, it was so obvious certain teams were using the draft media to under-hype (or even slander) prospects they wanted, cooling earlier round interest in hopes of later round availability. Clearest example was WR Tetairoa McMillan getting called "lazy" all week.
These background tactics have been used before, as far back as when I started making a Saturday of watching the NFL draft in 1999, but this year it seems like the draft media puppets aren't even bothering to hide who they're tipping for.
#1 - Draft "gurus" manipulated into overhyping draft prospects for the sake of the publicity leading to a prospect potentially being drafted higher by a franchise that lets themselves get excited by the hype, and is willing to offer a larger rookie contract.
#2 - Draft "gurus" manipulated into publicly downgrading prospects due to specific franchises feeding "gurus" negative reports on specific prospects in order to potentially turn off other franchises from wanting to draft said prospect, increasing the odds that said prospect might still be available for said franchise's later pick.
#3 (new!) - Draft "gurus" manipulated by bad-faith actors in the betting market. So much betting has started pouring into the NFL Draft over the past three years that at some point it's too much for one of these "gurus" not to eventually risk taking money under the table to either overhype or downgrade a prospects for the sake of shifting a betting line on where a prospect gets drafted. Since the Draft is more of an event than an athletic competition, there aren't refs or players with a lot on the line to enlist in a scheme. It seems a scheme coordinated with a Draft "guru" would be easier to conceal and more difficult to police.
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Crazy how life works.
Shedeur is a value pick in the 5th rd. Can’t lose on that, only upside.
He’s got a real shot to be their stater by the end of the year. Deshaun Watson is done, Joe Flacco is 100 years old, Kenny Pickett literally sucks, and Dillon Gabriel is a midget without the necessary required bare minimum physical tools to excel in the NFL imo.
Shredder might actually be their starter by years end.
Yup started perusing the web and and source after source stated what a terrible interview he gave. Many believe he was sandbagging,also one insider stated If you take Shedeur,dad comes with him or sum such. Now that he has had his big slice of humble pie maybe he'll pin back his ears and start balling
From the Sporting News:
According to several sources, Sanders failed to impress in his interviews, to put it mildly. One assistant coach put it bluntly saying, "The worst formal interview I’ve ever been in in my life. He’s so entitled. He takes unnecessary sacks. He never plays on time. He has horrible body language. He blames teammates, but the biggest thing is, he’s not that good.”
Matthew Berry of NBC Sports highlighted two sources on different teams that said that the Colorado quarterback had bad meetings. Berry suggested that Sanders was just having a bad day or trying to throw the interview if it was a team he didn't want to play for.
Vic Tafur pointed out that Raiders minority owner Tom Brady has a strong relationship with Deion and Shedeur. Still, Las Vegas passed on the quarterback at No. 37, No. 48, and No. 58. Tafur translated this as teams having doubts about the quarterback, including several reports from the NFL Combine that his interviews went very poorly.
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still shocked he didn’t get drafted- he’s uber talented and shown more than enough flashes of what he could be. Michigan coaching staff had no idea how to properly use his skill set.
You old enough to remember Duane Thomas of the Cowboys? maybe the same thing, but Edwards appeared to have another gear when he wanted to ramp it up. Cleveland should offer him. Unfortunately Chubb's done and that's a damn shame a true grinder and class act
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Seen lots of comments/content about CLE drafting 2 QBs, but they also drafted 2 of the top handful of RBs. Just as odd to draft Judkins and Sampson, imo.
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Take 1RB/1QB and split the other two with OL & WR
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Graham Mertz got drafted. Man, he was so misused in Madison. Unreal.
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Shedeur Sanders Drafted By McDonald's In 3rd Round | Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/shedeur-sanders-drafted-by-mcdonalds-in-3rd-round?utm_source=The Babylon Bee)
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No, that's ALL draft picks, not just first rounders.
Looks like 20% of picks are considered "good", "great", or "legendary". I'd have to look at the data set, but my guess is that AT least half of those were round 1 picks. And that far below 10% of those are 7th rounders.
Given that the first round is 1/7th of the draft, or 14.2%, and 20% of picks are good, great, or legendary, it would seem to me that your first rounder is "good" or better more often than not.
You beat me to it.
Also, I saw a guy compile the data over a couple previous decades (although this was probably 8-9 years ago itself), which illustrated that guys drafted past the 3rd round (I think.....or even might've been the 2nd round), have a pretty high likelihood of not getting a second contract after the rookie one. I believe that was his metric for "bust," or at least "not a useful pick" if I remember it correctly. It really highlighted the unlikelihood of becoming a mainstay, let alone a star, if you're not drafted by day 2.
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Quinn Ewers should've stayed in school one more year. Ewers went from the #1 overall player in the 2021 class to drafted in the 7th round. Yikes.
Ewers is 6'2, 210 ish- plenty of height and size but not the 6'5, 230 adonis build. Ewers has plenty of arm strength to play in the NFL- but not a Josh Allen or Mahomes type absolute rocket launcher. Ewers can move a little bit- but he's not really that athletic. Still blows my mind he was a 7th round pick. He's better than a lot of the QB's drafted ahead of him imo. Maybe the injury history and him not quite living up to expectations and being a good college QB with flashes of great hurt him. If I'm picking players I am 100% drafting him before Tyler Shough, Dillon Gabriel, or Graham Mertz. Wtf are we doing here people.
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Quinn Ewers should've stayed in school one more year. Ewers went from the #1 overall player in the 2021 class to drafted in the 7th round. Yikes.
Ewers is 6'2, 210 ish- plenty of height and size but not the 6'5, 230 adonis build. Ewers has plenty of arm strength to play in the NFL- but not a Josh Allen or Mahomes type absolute rocket launcher. Ewers can move a little bit- but he's not really that athletic. Still blows my mind he was a 7th round pick. He's better than a lot of the QB's drafted ahead of him imo. Maybe the injury history and him not quite living up to expectations and being a good college QB with flashes of great hurt him. If I'm picking players I am 100% drafting him before Tyler Shough, Dillon Gabriel, or Graham Mertz. Wtf are we doing here people.
Actually I think he should have come out last year. Once he was playing good teams at the highest levels, his limitations became apparent. Another year at a place like Texas wasn't going to help him, nor do I think dropping down to a lower level program would make him look any better in the eyes of the NFL scouts.
Sadly, for him, the decision to stay on and play one more year in college, really hurt him.
I certainly wish him the best and hope he can excel beyond his draft status.
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Seen lots of comments/content about CLE drafting 2 QBs, but they also drafted 2 of the top handful of RBs. Just as odd to draft Judkins and Sampson, imo.
don't like taking 2 QB's because you can only play one. And taking Dillon Gabriel in the 3rd round was a waste of a pick imo. Don't like it at all. Gabriel is a 6th round pick that they took in the 3rd round. Shredder will smoke his ass in practice and Gabriel won't even wind up making the team imo.
don't mind taking 2 RB's though. Nick Chubb's first 5 years were incredible, but he's nearly 30 and his last two seasons he's coming off major injuries and he had major injuries in college. His days are probably numbered with the Browns. They need RB's and you can split carries with RBs in the NFL. see: the Detroit Lions.
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Quinn Ewers should've stayed in school one more year. Ewers went from the #1 overall player in the 2021 class to drafted in the 7th round. Yikes.
Ewers is 6'2, 210 ish- plenty of height and size but not the 6'5, 230 adonis build. Ewers has plenty of arm strength to play in the NFL- but not a Josh Allen or Mahomes type absolute rocket launcher. Ewers can move a little bit- but he's not really that athletic. Still blows my mind he was a 7th round pick. He's better than a lot of the QB's drafted ahead of him imo. Maybe the injury history and him not quite living up to expectations and being a good college QB with flashes of great hurt him. If I'm picking players I am 100% drafting him before Tyler Shough, Dillon Gabriel, or Graham Mertz. Wtf are we doing here people.
Heisman winner and 2 scrubs
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Actually I think he should have come out last year. Once he was playing good teams at the highest levels, his limitations became apparent. Another year at a place like Texas wasn't going to help him, nor do I think dropping down to a lower level program would make him look any better in the eyes of the NFL scouts.
Sadly, for him, the decision to stay on and play one more year in college, really hurt him.
I certainly wish him the best and hope he can excel beyond his draft status.
maybe. I'll tell you what....think he's a STEAL in the 7th round for Miami. would not be surprised at all to see him get a shot at a lot of playing time due to Tua constantly being injured/concussed and play way better with that coach that scheme and those weapons than his 7th round draft slot.
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Both Carson Beck and Ewers were hurt by delaying their draft a year.
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Both Carson Beck and Ewers were hurt by delaying their draft a year.
Carson's ok
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Heisman winner and 2 scrubs
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the fact that Donovan Edwards didn't get drafted still kind of blows my mind. His RAS athletic score (which is an overall score that tries to measure overall athleticism- not just straigh-tline speed) was a 9.78 out of a possible 10.00- which places him in the top 50 (#47) most athletic RB prospects out of nearly 2,200 RB prospects that have tested at the combine since 1987.
IF he had zero production to back that up that'd be one thing- but Edwards has plenty of production and he flashed his considerable talent time and time again. He should've been drafted. Think he really screwed up signing with the Jets. He needed to sign with a team that involves the RB in the passing game.
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Carson's ok
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lol. nonetheless I think Cincy is right. Carson Beck might've been a 1st rd pick if he came out. dudes NFL draft stock free fall after the season he had last year.
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nope.
Tyler Shough, Jalen Milroe, and Dillon Gabriel all got picked. Shedeur hasn't. I'm taking Shredder over him- but Milroe I can kind of get because of the insane physical talent....that kid is built like a tank and is a freak show athlete with a rocket launcher of an arm even if it's a little wild and inconsistent. Tyler Shough and Dillon Gabriel? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Shredder is light years better player and prospect than either of them imo.
Plus you get the added bonus of his dad second quessing every play in public. Who needs that circus in their camp?
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Crazy how life works.
Shedeur is a value pick in the 5th rd. Can’t lose on that, only upside.
He’s got a real shot to be their stater by the end of the year. Deshaun Watson is done, Joe Flacco is 100 years old, Kenny Pickett literally sucks, and Dillon Gabriel is a midget without the necessary required bare minimum physical tools to excel in the NFL imo.
Shredder might actually be their starter by years end.
It's Cleveland, they could all be starters at some point this season. :)
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It's Cleveland, they could all be starters at some point this season. :)
I think they'll have a pretty good defense this year- especially if Mason Graham really clicks with Myles Garrett. the offense might be their undoing in 2025- because it's probably gonna suck.
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I do find it a little bit odd people like Shannon Sharpe screaming- because: racism on why Shedeur wasn't drafted until the 5th round....when the #1 overall player drafted was Cam Ward. Maybe just maybe most teams had a 2nd or 3rd rd grade on Shedeur and not a high 1st round grade and then decided well you know what he wasn't worth the head ache in the 2nd or 3rd rd and then when he was available in the 5th round the value was so great someone finally took him.
Still have no clue why people are acting like it was a travesty. The travesty of the draft imo was Will Johnson went 47th overall. Yeah yeah yeah idc if he supposedly has a degenerative knee condition and might not have a 15 year career because of it. The potential upside of him having a 7-8 year run of Pro Bowl level caliber play is so high that he's worth taking a flier on late in the 1st rd. Still think Lions should've taken him at 28.
https://twitter.com/TJMoe28/status/1916677710325190818
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Good post and nails it - You get a Yuengling
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I like to football!
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I like to football!
I think Cam Ward is gonna be REALLY fucking good in the NFL. Titans have the first legit QB they've had since Air McNair. All due respect to Vince Young who I think could've been great and shown flashes his rookie year- but Ward is LEGIT. Titans fans should be excited as hell cause that Mayonnaise Coffee QB is fucking dirty unwashed ass and now they never have to see him again for as long as they live.
Homie is straight ass but got dayum can he pull some smoking hot ass....guess it pays to be an NFL QB even if you suck ass.
https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1915460527188267466
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I actually dont think any of the QBs from this draft are going to pan out. So I get not wanting the circus around Shedeur. But Dillon Gabriel? Tyler Shough? I mean at that point, go get the better QB
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I actually dont think any of the QBs from this draft are going to pan out. So I get not wanting the circus around Shedeur. But Dillon Gabriel? Tyler Shough? I mean at that point, go get the better QB
I’m 100% sold on Cam Ward. That guy is legit and has a phenomenal arm. The rest of the QBs this draft are pretty meh. Shedeur is probably the only other one I’d take.
As far as the second point goes, yeah I don’t get taking Tyler Shough or Dillon Gabriel over Shedeur at all- the circus be damned- he’s just a light years better prospect than either of them. Shough is 26 and straight up ass and Gabriel is 25 and a midget who doesn’t have even the baseline minimum arm strength to make it in the NFL.
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I'm worried about Ward's tendency to just stand there flat-footed waiting for someone to get open. He does it A LOT.
He won't ever get that much time in the NFL. "Nonchalant" isn't a thing there.
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there maybe some hard lessons - the big guys bearing down on him are bigger and faster
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I'm worried about Ward's tendency to just stand there flat-footed waiting for someone to get open. He does it A LOT.
He won't ever get that much time in the NFL. "Nonchalant" isn't a thing there.
Ewers is gonna be in royal trouble.
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Ewers is gonna be in royal trouble.
I'm afraid so.
But he's not always so slow and indecisive. As droog pointed out on another thread, it seems like each time he comes back from injury, he has to be re-trained to trust his instincts and release the ball quicker. I'm hopeful for him, that he can heal up, get back some confidence, and excel in the NFL. He's a good guy who really helped our team when we needed him, and I wish him the best.
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It's interesting to reflect back on the NFL QBs who were "sure things", and were in fact sure things. And those who weren't. Some of the latter were sure thing busts like Manziel I think.
I think a lot of the "real sure things" were 6'4" and had very strong arms.
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He may wind up doing great, or not, I have no idea. He is super nonchalant, though.
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that should be able to be coached out of him
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that should be able to be coached out of him
It has been before. It doesn't seem to stick. Hopefully it will in the future.
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He should be motivated to have it stick - or he'll be looking for a real job
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BREAKING: The NFL fined the Falcons $250,000 and DC Jeff Ulbrich $100,000 over the leak of Shedeur Sanders’ phone number.
Ulbrich’s son, Jax, took the number from Ulbrich’s iPad and used it to prank Sanders during the draft.
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Jax about to stand in for a tackling dummy with the LBs for a session.
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Former FSU QB Jordan Travis, of the Jets, had to retire due to his knee injury. It's very sad. He was a great player in college and never got a shot in the NFL.