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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on March 13, 2025, 12:49:35 AM
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I did something similar to this in the past, asking for your iron-man football teams of each school.
But this flag football format is sort of interesting.
QB, 3 OL/DL, and 4 skill guys. Everyone is eligible to receive a pass, but I'd probably not take that into account.
So I guess I'm asking what's a program's best team comprised of:
QB, RB, 3 WR/TE, 3 OL, 3 DL, LB, 2 CB, 2 S
16 total guys, historically
Florida:
Tebow, Emmitt, Harvin, Ike & Reidel.....Pouncey twins + Lomas Brown.
Defense - Youngblood and Alex Brown at DE, with Gerard Warren at DT. LB is Jevon Kearse. CBs are Lito Sheppard and Keiwan Ratliff. Safeties are Louis Oliver and Reggie Nelson.
Q - Tebow
B - Emmitt
X - Ike
Y - Harvin
Z - Reidel Anthony
OL - Pouncey, Pouncey, Lomas Brown
DL - Youngblood, Brown, Warren
LB - Kearse
CB - Sheppard & Ratliff
S - Oliver, Nelson
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For a random program that doesn't have a lot of support here, let's do LSU.
Q - Burrow
B - Kevin Faulk
X - Chase
Y - Nabors
Z - Josh Reed
OL - Faneca, Wilkerson, Mawae
DL - Gabe Northern, Lavalais, Dorsey
LB - Michael Brooks
CB - Casanova, Peterson
S - Jamal Adams, Mathieu
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If you wanted to make it more fun, you could try to pick the fastest and/or guys who could juke you out of your shoes.
So I might take a Fred Taylor or Jeff Demps at RB. I chose Kearse at LB because he was a long, fast freak, perfect for LB in flag football.
I may want to remove my big, fat DT and put in someone quicker or more slippery, like a Brad Culpepper or maybe even a Wilbur Marshall on the d-line.
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QB, 3 OL, and 4 skill guys. Everyone is eligible to receive a pass
Zac Taylor, Irving Fryer, Johnny Rogers, Roger Craig, Ahman Green
Dave Rimmington, Dean Stienkuhler, Will Shields
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This is a lot of work, but for Wisconsin's offense:
QB - Wilson
RB - White
Other RB - Gordon (arguably Fletcher) (these are not Wisconsin's two best backs, but I think they are the two that would be best in a flag football format)
WR - Evans
WR - Chambers (I would think about Abbredaris or Gilreath for their speed, but for the Wisconsin team I think you want guys you can get up and catch the ball over others)
OL - Thomas
OL - Havenstein (Panos would be my backup)
OL/TE - Travis Beckum
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QB - Kirk Cousins.
My understanding is that the QB can't run, so I'll take the best passer.
RB - LeVeon Bell.
Obvious. His pass catching ability in this format makes him the no brainer pick.
WR - Plexico Burress, Charles Rogers, and Courtney Hawkins
Burress and Rogers are obvious. Hawkins probably isn't the 3rd best. Andre Rison, Derrick Mason, Mushin Muhammad, plus 3 straight Big Ten WR of the Year in the mid 2010s. But, with Burress and Rogers taking the top off, and Bell's versatility, I'll take the elite slot guy
OL - Flozell Adams, Tyler Conklin, and Tony Mandarich
First two again are obvious. Mandarich probably is as well if we are going by college production, and...eh..."training regimens"
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QBs can run.
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Yeah, tall WRs are a huge plus. With this age group, you don't have the best route-running and we have a 6'6" kid who comes down with balls no one else can get to.
Too bad he's not staying eligible.
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QBs can run.
NFL Flag rules, which is what I believe the Olympics are using in 2028, do not allow QB runs. When my son played flag, QB could only run once per possession
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Still Wilson for Wisconsin at QB, but no running might open the door for some other guys to at least compete.
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QB: Drew Brees
I mean that's obvious.
RB: Kory Sheets
This one is hard. Need someone with speed and pass-catching ability, so obviously Alstott is out. And I don't know enough about the old days (Leroy Keyes). So I'm going to go with Sheets here.
WR: Rondale Moore, Dorien Bryant, Vinny Sutherland
Going for speed / shiftiness here. Sutherland is probably the most controversial here and the one I'd most quickly swap out. But what attributes I'd want to replace him with is difficult. If a TE, it's Dustin Keller--big matchup nightmare as he's too big for a DB to cover and too athletic for the LB. If a different WR probably David Bell. Best mix of pure WR skills we've had in a long time. But I think for flag football, Vinny is probably the pick ahead of either.
OL: Matt Light, Dennis Kelly, and Chukki Okobi
Difficult. Wanted athleticism at the tackle positions, and both Light and Kelly were great tackles for Purdue. Tough to pick a center, but with with Chukki b/c he was the center during the early Tiller era with Drew Brees.
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Wisconsin Defense:
D-Line: JJ Watt, Erasmus James, O'Brien Schofield (No DTs)
LB: I want to say Borland or TJ Watt, but for this format: DeAndre Levy. Dude was fast.
Safeties: Leonhard and Aaron Henry.
CBs: Troy Vincent and Jamar Fletcher. HM to Jack Ikegwuono, who broke up passes and was able to evade the law (while in college). Until he wasn't. I think his prison term is over now, but that was an unfortunate way to go out.
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Wisconsin Defense:
D-Line: JJ Watt, Erasmus James, O'Brien Schofield (No DTs)
LB: I want to say Borland or TJ Watt, but for this format: DeAndre Levy. Dude was fast.
Safeties: Leonhard and Aaron Henry.
CBs: Troy Vincent and Jamar Fletcher. HM to Jack Ikegwuono, who broke up passes and was able to evade the law (while in college). Until he wasn't. I think his prison term is over now, but that was an unfortunate way to go out.
How'd he get out?
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I'd tend to lean toward Antaaj Hawthorne for DT.
I like Ramczyk as an OL. Also either Biadacz or Raymer at center.
JT23 HAS to be on this team.
If we're gonna go back in time you gotta look at guys like Mike Webster, Paul Gruber, Krumrie, Al Toon, Nate Odomes, Dennis Lick, etc.
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I'd tend to lean toward Antaaj Hawthorne for DT.
I like Ramczyk as an OL. Also either Biadacz or Raymer at center.
JT23 HAS to be on this team.
If we're gonna go back in time you gotta look at guys like Mike Webster, Paul Gruber, Krumrie, Al Toon, Nate Odomes, Dennis Lick, etc.
Yeah, I was thinking we don't recally need a center and we definitely don't need guards for this format.
JT23 is the Badgers best all-time back (IMO), but I don't know if he'd be the best in this format, including as a pass catcher. What say you? Fletcher, White, and Gordon had long careers in the NFL as West Coast backs. But no one should be upset to have Taylor on their team.
I thought about Toon. I think the problem with all these things is that the players now are more athletic (bigger, faster, stronger) than the players back then were, so it's hard to choose a guy like Webster or Krumrie.
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if the QB is running, I've got some options
won't be a bulldozer like Frost
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Nebraska's DT has to be Suh. He's the most athletic DT I've ever seen in the college game.
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if the QB is running, I've got some options
won't be a bulldozer like Frost
Isn't *most* of Nebraska's running QB history composed of people who the fans were terrified every time they attempted a forward pass? I'm not sure that's the goal for a flag football team. I don't know how useful it is to run option in flag football when you basically can't block people anyway. :57:
For Purdue, it wouldn't change anything for me. I can't recall a QB in recent memory who was a legitimate dual threat. We had a guy (Justin Siller) a few years back who would be the closest I can think of, but he couldn't throw well enough to make me even think of him dethroning Brees on my team. And not only that, Brees was pretty mobile. He wasn't what you'd call a running QB or even a dual threat QB, but he was mobile enough to keep defenses honest with his feet.
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BTW I've never really watched much flag football... You say all players are eligible to receive a pass. Strategy-wise, what does that mean for the OL/DL?
I would think that would lead to more prioritization for athleticism for the OL and speed for the DL?
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I don't think the trenches are needed
but, if there are gonna be sacks, the running QB could be beneficial
there were a few Husker QBs that had decent arms but probably not good enough for this game
some of those SOBs were pretty tough to put a hand on in the open field
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Yeah, I was thinking we don't recally need a center and we definitely don't need guards for this format.
JT23 is the Badgers best all-time back (IMO), but I don't know if he'd be the best in this format, including as a pass catcher. What say you? Fletcher, White, and Gordon had long careers in the NFL as West Coast backs. But no one should be upset to have Taylor on their team.
I thought about Toon. I think the problem with all these things is that the players now are more athletic (bigger, faster, stronger) than the players back then were, so it's hard to choose a guy like Webster or Krumrie.
JT started to display pass catching in his final season - the RB coach let him do it so he could showcase that for the NFL. I'd take him, White and Gordon.
As for the older guys, I think they translate if they have the same training and nutrition as the kids do now.
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BTW I've never really watched much flag football... You say all players are eligible to receive a pass. Strategy-wise, what does that mean for the OL/DL?
I would think that would lead to more prioritization for athleticism for the OL and speed for the DL?
Yes, BUT....my bigger guys are playing line not because it's better for being linemen, but because they can't really help at receiver/DB. So they wind up on the line.
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I thought about Toon. I think the problem with all these things is that the players now are more athletic (bigger, faster, stronger) than the players back then were, so it's hard to choose a guy like Webster or Krumrie.
When throwing guys from different eras together, you have to rate them in terms of something like a 0-100 scale of how good they were against their peers. Otherwise, you'd have ZERO offensive linemen on any all-time teams before the 1990s.
If a 250 lb guard was something like a 98-rated (out of 100) player in 1983, he's the equal of the 340 lb guard from 2024 who is great and a similarly-rated player. It's the only way to do it. Some people struggle with this, and I get it, but just sort of tweak your thinking to something other than the actual players themselves time-traveling and physically lining up on the same field together
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NFL Flag rules, which is what I believe the Olympics are using in 2028, do not allow QB runs. When my son played flag, QB could only run once per possession
I assume every league has different rules.
It's fun to design plays for a lineman getting the ball. But it makes defense impossible lol.
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Yes, BUT....my bigger guys are playing line not because it's better for being linemen, but because they can't really help at receiver/DB. So they wind up on the line.
But the question is more about what level of "blocking" is allowed.
It's one thing to have a 6'8" 330 lb land mass with agility LT when he physically has to block a 6'5" 280# physical freak edge rusher using their massive sizes against each other. It's entirely another when neither of them have helmets or pads and the rules constrain their ability to actually contact each other.
If they can't truly block, I might be inclined to use TEs for the offensive line positions and OLBs for the defensive line positions...
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Just give me Braxton Miller and Ted Ginn Jr
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But the question is more about what level of "blocking" is allowed.
It's one thing to have a 6'8" 330 lb land mass with agility LT when he physically has to block a 6'5" 280# physical freak edge rusher using their massive sizes against each other. It's entirely another when neither of them have helmets or pads and the rules constrain their ability to actually contact each other.
If they can't truly block, I might be inclined to use TEs for the offensive line positions and OLBs for the defensive line positions...
I respect it, but we mayyyyy be diving a little too deep here, lol.
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But the question is more about what level of "blocking" is allowed.
It's one thing to have a 6'8" 330 lb land mass with agility LT when he physically has to block a 6'5" 280# physical freak edge rusher using their massive sizes against each other. It's entirely another when neither of them have helmets or pads and the rules constrain their ability to actually contact each other.
If they can't truly block, I might be inclined to use TEs for the offensive line positions and OLBs for the defensive line positions...
For sure: that's why I already used a TE (and a pass catching one at that) for one of my line positions, and I could definitely see using one or two more.
Joe Thomas was a great athlete, though. I think he probably would still make this team.
Honestly, I also wonder if Ron Vander Kelen or Brooks Bollinger might be the right Wisconsin QB. But on further review, nah. It's Wilson.
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For sure: that's why I already used a TE (and a pass catching one at that) for one of my line positions, and I could definitely see using one or two more.
Joe Thomas was a great athlete, though. I think he probably would still make this team.
Honestly, I also wonder if Ron Vander Kelen or Brooks Bollinger might be the right Wisconsin QB. But on further review, nah. It's Wilson.
Got it. Well then I'd still think there needs to be a center, but I'd probably then roll in Tim Stratton and Dustin Keller on the OL instead of Light/Kelly. Both will be more agile, and if you don't have to deal with a bull rush from someone the size/strength of JJ Watt, you don't need someone with LT mass.
On the DL that would probably lead more to speed rushers / OLB that occasionally put a hand in the dirt than big DTs or even some highly-regarded DEs.