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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on February 16, 2025, 11:40:57 PM
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SEC and B1G officially have deciding power on playoff format going forward.
14 team: 4 guaranteed spots go to SEC and B1G
2 guaranteed spots go to XII and ACC
1 guaranteed spot to sacrificial lamb "other" conf champ
last spot goes to ND if it qualifies or an at-large team (probably from SEC/B1G)
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16 team: 4 for SEC/B1G, 2 for XII/ACC, 1 for "others", 3 for ND/at-large
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Only plus to this is freeing up programs to schedule tough OOC games, as you merely need to finish in top-4 of your conference
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Josh Pate's idea is to replace traditional CCG weekend with the top 2 seeds of each conf having the week off, and doubling up the football, having 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5 in each P4 conference, in order to identify the top 4 going to CFP.
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I'd also specify no byes, as that proved to be worthless this year, but with 14 that's built-in. Just go to 16 and have 2 rounds of home-field games @ better seed.
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Gross
But agree, byes are stupid.
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Ugh.
^^^ That doesn't add much to the conversation, but it's the best I've got.
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Yeah at this point I just don't really have anything to say about it, that we haven't already said a million times.
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I'll wait and see, like I did on the 4 team and 12 team playoffs
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I'll wait and see, like I did on the 4 team and 12 team playoffs
4 was not bad, 12 felt like about 4 too many.
2 was even better, imo.
And the old bowl system was even better than that.
Based on the inverse relationship between my preference and implementation, I project we'll be at a 130 team playoff in no time.
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I don't really need to wait and see. The trend is apparent.
Old Bowls > BCS/Alliance > 4 team playoff > 12 team playoff. We're going the wrong way.
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64-teams with a few play-in games
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64-teams with a few play-in games
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Auto bids: participation trophy trash.
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Nah I like the auto-bids. Keeps the conference championship race more meaningful for the conferences not named SEC and B1G.
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If auto bids are kept, then they need to stop ranking the teams. I don't want to know that the 16th-ranked team is the 9th seed. It makes me want to club baby seals.
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Because South Carolina and Illinois are definitely title contenders.
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If you do this, get rid of conference championships, and get rid of at larges
Top 2 in the Big Ten and SEC are in, Winner of the ACC and Big XII are in
CCG weekend, #6 plays at #3 and #5 plays at #4 in the Big Ten and SEC for the 3rd and 4th spots; #3 plays at #2 in the ACC and Big XII; and then the #4 Group of 5 champ plays at #1 and the #3 plays at #2. That fills out the other 8 spots
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I don't really need to wait and see. The trend is apparent.
Old Bowls > BCS/Alliance > 4 team playoff > 12 team playoff. We're going the wrong way.
I actually still think 4 team was worst
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If you do this, get rid of conference championships, and get rid of at larges
Top 2 in the Big Ten and SEC are in, Winner of the ACC and Big XII are in
CCG weekend, #6 plays at #3 and #5 plays at #4 in the Big Ten and SEC for the 3rd and 4th spots; #3 plays at #2 in the ACC and Big XII; and then the #4 Group of 5 champ plays at #1 and the #3 plays at #2. That fills out the other 8 spots.
This is what you would get, last year, remember this is post-regular season. I think Notre Dame figures into the ACC
AUTO-BIDS
- #1 Oregon
- #2 Texas
- #3 Penn State
- #4 Notre Dame
- #5 Georgia
- #15 Arizona State
CHAMPIONSHIP SATURDAY
- #21 Illinois at #6 Ohio State
- #14 South Carolina at #7 Tennessee
- #17 Clemson at #8 SMU
- Iowa at #9 Indiana
- Ohio at #10 Boise State
- LSU at #11 Alabama
- #18 BYU at #16 Iowa State
- Marshall at #24 Army
Then just assuming the SP+ favorite win, and we seed directly off rankings, with slight modifications to avoid conference rematches in the first round, and I would make the two Group of 5 winners the bottom two seeds no matter what...
- #1 Oregon - BYE
- #2 Texas - BYE
- #24 Army at #3 Penn State
- #10 Boise State at #4 Notre Dame
- #18 BYU at #5 Georgia
- #15 Arizona State at #6 Ohio State
- #9 Indiana at #7 Tennessee
- #11 Alabama at #8 SMU
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Just go to 16 and have 2 rounds of home-field games @ better seed.
I don't disagree and I don't know why but they seem to be unwilling to have two home games for anybody.
But agree, byes are stupid.
I agree with the two of you and maybe the fact that the SEC and B1G Champs were among the four teams that got byes and ALL lost in their first game created some momentum to do away with them.
I'm not a fan of constant expansion but I've consistently said:
- North of two, go to four.
- North of four, go to eight.
- North of eight, go to 16.
I'm just not a fan of byes at all.
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Amen, brutha!
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This is what you would get, last year, remember this is post-regular season. I think Notre Dame figures into the ACC
AUTO-BIDS
- #1 Oregon
- #2 Texas
- #3 Penn State
- #4 Notre Dame
- #5 Georgia
- #15 Arizona State
CHAMPIONSHIP SATURDAY
- #21 Illinois at #6 Ohio State
- #14 South Carolina at #7 Tennessee
- #17 Clemson at #8 SMU
- Iowa at #9 Indiana
- Ohio at #10 Boise State
- LSU at #11 Alabama
- #18 BYU at #16 Iowa State
- Marshall at #24 Army
Then just assuming the SP+ favorite win, and we seed directly off rankings, with slight modifications to avoid conference rematches in the first round, and I would make the two Group of 5 winners the bottom two seeds no matter what...
- #1 Oregon - BYE
- #2 Texas - BYE
- #24 Army at #3 Penn State
- #10 Boise State at #4 Notre Dame
- #18 BYU at #5 Georgia
- #15 Arizona State at #6 Ohio State
- #9 Indiana at #7 Tennessee
- #11 Alabama at #8 SMU
This is terrifying.
Upsets happen. They're statistical certainties.
So take one of those higher seeds, say OSU...they beat a team they're supposed to, then get to play another crap team who upset someone the round before.
It's all bad.
I think I look at the college football postseason sort of like how our justice system is built to avoid locking up the innocent, in the understanding that it's a better goal than locking up everyone who is guilty.
I'd rather exclude 1-2 possible teams that could win the NC instead of letting in more teams, some of which basically have no chance.
Sorry/not sorry.
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I do not care, which is good as caring creates angst with no other impact on reality.
Do whatever and I’ll respond after.
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yup
perhaps this way of thinking comes with experience/age
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Thanks for posting about your apathy. I'm guilty of it too, on the basketball thread.
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I'd be more passionate about things if I had even a little influence
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I'd be more passionate about things if I had even a little influence
The powers that be (if any) will be calling one of us from the board any day now, right?!?
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This is terrifying.
Upsets happen. They're statistical certainties.
So take one of those higher seeds, say OSU...they beat a team they're supposed to, then get to play another crap team who upset someone the round before.
It's all bad.
I think I look at the college football postseason sort of like how our justice system is built to avoid locking up the innocent, in the understanding that it's a better goal than locking up everyone who is guilty.
I'd rather exclude 1-2 possible teams that could win the NC instead of letting in more teams, some of which basically have no chance.
Sorry/not sorry.
Im not saying I want it. Im saying if they are going to 14, with those auto bids, thats how I would want it to look
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The powers that be (if any) will be calling one of us from the board any day now, right?!?
Ed Zachery
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CFB for a long while had subtle and slow changes in it, now the changes are large and frequent. It's not good.
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seems to be good for generating revenue $$$
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SEC and B1G officially have deciding power on playoff format going forward.
14 team: 4 guaranteed spots go to SEC and B1G
2 guaranteed spots go to XII and ACC
1 guaranteed spot to sacrificial lamb "other" conf champ
last spot goes to ND if it qualifies or an at-large team (probably from SEC/B1G)
So with 2 conferences guaranteeing themselves 8 out of 14 bids, that's 2 conferences pulling in nearly 60% of the CFP revenue.
As an Arizona Wildcats fan, it's not that this type of hostile takeover by the SEC/B1G will eventually force UA into permanent Have-Not status and push the football program out of the Top 50 for good. Arizona is already out of the Top 50 most years. But the bigger difference will be that the gap between the Haves & Have-Nots will grow that much wider, and for the Have-Nots it will not only be impossible to compete, but I wonder will it even be worth it to keep football? Without equivalent TV revenue and NIL to pay players I can see the UA football program considering a slide into the Mountain West or worse. Worse meaning the administration might give up on football altogether here in another decade or so, especially with UA's athletic department continuing to operate in the red. Gonzaga's focus on basketball is looking like a good bet.
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Yeah, possibly.
And since we can't go backwards, the only hope is for the B1G and SEC to split the top 50-60 programs and organize it so everyone plays everyone else in their region, then has an ACTUAL equal chance at a NC.
Arizona could win the PAC division, get into the playoff, and then who knows?
Hard to consider U of A, though. Like 50 years in the Pac with no RB appearances. That's messed up.
Florida went 50 years before our first outright SEC crown, and it was taken away. But we had that 'sleeping giant' thing going on.
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To tie this divide into basketball, the timing can’t be worse for the ACC and better for the SEC. While the B1G is having their usual year as a top 2 or 3 conference in basketball, the SEC has leapt over everybody for the #1 spot while the ACC is having an uncharacteristic down year. At times it appears the ACC might only have three at-large tournament bids (more realistically 5) while the SEC looks to have at least 10 at-larges. Currently 8 SEC teams are ranked.
With the ACC always known to be more of a basketball conference, and with universities like Clemson, North Carolina, and Florida State actively trying to leave the ACC the last half-decade, this is not the time for a down year, especially with SEC basketball surging. This further allows the SEC and B1G to be viewed as the two “money conferences” for TV deals, which further justifies demanding more spots at the postseason table, which leads to more $$$, which makes both conferences more attractive for the bigger name schools the ACC (and Big 12) badly need to keep.
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To tie this divide into basketball, the timing can’t be worse for the ACC and better for the SEC. While the B1G is having their usual year as a top 2 or 3 conference in basketball, the SEC has leapt over everybody for the #1 spot while the ACC is having an uncharacteristic down year. At times it appears the ACC might only have three at-large tournament bids (more realistically 5) while the SEC looks to have at least 10 at-larges. Currently 8 SEC teams are ranked.
With the ACC always known to be more of a basketball conference, and with universities like Clemson, North Carolina, and Florida State actively trying to leave the ACC the last half-decade, this is not the time for a down year, especially with SEC basketball surging. This further allows the SEC and B1G to be viewed as the two “money conferences” for TV deals, which further justifies demanding more spots at the postseason table, which leads to more $$$, which makes both conferences more attractive for the bigger name schools the ACC (and Big 12) badly need to keep.
Several years ago Greg Sankey basically gave the league an ultimatum on improving SEC basketball.
Looks like it worked -- even better than he expected.
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To tie this divide into basketball, the timing can’t be worse for the ACC and better for the SEC.
With the ACC always known to be more of a basketball conference...
From Awful Announcing: "In case the current bracketology forecasts weren’t enough to convince you of the ACC’s men’s basketball downfall, perhaps ESPN’s commentator assignments will...ESPN’s lead college basketball announcing team of Dan Shulman and Jay Bilas will be on the call for the SEC Tournament this year after years of broadcasting the ACC Tournament."
It's probably too much to say that even ESPN wants to move on from the ACC's basketball prominence over the SEC.
https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1897067793582792909
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ranked teams get better ratings - it's simple