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Title: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2025, 01:54:54 PM
Any post mods deem political will be summarily deleted.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2025, 02:11:57 PM
I like this thread already
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Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2025, 01:25:00 PM
So, anybody heard any good jokes lately?
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Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2025, 01:28:22 PM
yes, but they were political
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Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2025, 01:38:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbobBws92HY

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Post by: jgvol on February 03, 2025, 01:41:49 PM
https://youtu.be/P-L_5HedJbw?si=sUEwRDH6AcvU1GQP
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 03, 2025, 01:42:59 PM
*Yawn*

2,975 pages locked down over one shit stirring, knob gobbler. 
😂😂.  Between you and Utee I am learning some great new “phrases”. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 03, 2025, 03:55:36 PM
Saw the movie “Nickel Boys.” A little extra artsy style and really sad but overall a pretty good flick. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 03, 2025, 03:56:43 PM
*Yawn*

2,975 pages locked down over one shit stirring, knob gobbler. 
Now, now, you are under crediting some of our other shit stirrers, sir!
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: ELA on February 03, 2025, 06:49:41 PM
That didn't take long
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 03, 2025, 07:51:09 PM
Who knew echo chambers had snowflakes?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 03, 2025, 08:13:03 PM
Who knew echo chambers had snowflakes?
What part of 

Any post mods deem political will be summarily deleted.
did you not understand? 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 03, 2025, 08:31:59 PM
I was critical of his name-calling.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 03, 2025, 08:35:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWpY6Cn67Y
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 03, 2025, 08:55:38 PM
I was critical of his name-calling.
I, too, thought his name calling was uncouth.

But he wasn't being political. You brought that in.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2025, 08:59:14 PM
I was critical of his name-calling.
so, you called him a snowflake?
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 03, 2025, 09:00:59 PM
I, too, thought his name calling was uncouth.

But he wasn't being political. You brought that in.
So because I'm not a politician, it's cool?  Brilliant.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 03, 2025, 09:43:38 PM
so, you called him a snowflake?
The snowflake post wasn't deleted. The one that was, was political.

So because I'm not a politician, it's cool?  Brilliant.
Nobody said it's cool. You're a big boy. Defend yourself. 

Bring politics into it, though, and:

Any post mods deem political will be summarily deleted.

And that's what you did.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2025, 10:44:19 PM
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Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: ELA on February 04, 2025, 12:26:11 AM
Saw the movie “Nickel Boys.” A little extra artsy style and really sad but overall a pretty good flick.
I always watch as many of the Oscar nominees as I can.  frequently they actually know what they are talking about, and there are a couple of movies that I otherwise have little interest in watching that I really enjoy.  but their whole thing in doubling the nominees was about at least acknowledging some more mainstream movies. That lasted like 2 years, and now we just have 10 art house flicks.  And I like a good indie movie, but let's also acknowledge that there are some good big budget movies.  This might be the most let down ive been. 

I enjoyed A Real Pain.  But thats a lot of Jesse Eisenberg.  He wrote, driected and starred in it.  it's hard to escape into that much neuroses.  But whichever Culken was in it was brilliant.  Conclave was well set up, but couldnt stick the landing.  Emilia Perez shouldnt have been a musical.  The music is terrible in my opinion, and every time seemed a scene turned into a song, it lost me.  And I am all in on a good musical.  I Saw Wicked with my family in the theater, and I really enjoyed it, but I have a hard time viewing it as anything other than an adaptation of a musical I already liked
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 04, 2025, 07:01:20 AM
My ex loved award shows, she'd insist on seeing movies nominated etc.  I think that further turned me off the whole concept.  Of course, I rather dislike "rankings" of stuff in general.  I have not seen a movie in a theater in over a decade, and then my wife wanted to see "100 Step Journey", which I liked.  The "alternate reality" thing is, I suspect, about to take over in a major way, some will recede into it nearly full time.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 09:30:21 AM
I always watch as many of the Oscar nominees as I can.  frequently they actually know what they are talking about, and there are a couple of movies that I otherwise have little interest in watching that I really enjoy.  but their whole thing in doubling the nominees was about at least acknowledging some more mainstream movies. That lasted like 2 years, and now we just have 10 art house flicks.  And I like a good indie movie, but let's also acknowledge that there are some good big budget movies.  This might be the most let down ive been.

I enjoyed A Real Pain.  But thats a lot of Jesse Eisenberg.  He wrote, driected and starred in it.  it's hard to escape into that much neuroses.  But whichever Culken was in it was brilliant.  Conclave was well set up, but couldnt stick the landing.  Emilia Perez shouldnt have been a musical.  The music is terrible in my opinion, and every time seemed a scene turned into a song, it lost me.  And I am all in on a good musical.  I Saw Wicked with my family in the theater, and I really enjoyed it, but I have a hard time viewing it as anything other than an adaptation of a musical I already liked
I was thinking about that and to a degree, I wonder how much of that is reliant on certain higher end films hitting.

Like I looked at the top box office movies. You’re talking Twisters, Beatlejuice Beatlejuice, Gladiator II, Bob Marley: One Love, Civil War, Furiosa, Challengers and Nosferatu as the top 40 movies that could maybe be considered. And the last one was moderately arthouse, anyway.

Not a lot of there there. Three sequels that range from fine to not great at the top. A biopic no one saw. An alternate history that is simultaneously political and anti-political. Another decent sequel. Challengers and then an artsy movie.

(The Conclave thing is weird because it’s apparently Based on a book that was written in the mid 2010s. So they were boxed in a little to that whatever twist ending).
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Post by: ELA on February 04, 2025, 10:30:53 AM
I was thinking about that and to a degree, I wonder how much of that is reliant on certain higher end films hitting.

Like I looked at the top box office movies. You’re talking Twisters, Beatlejuice Beatlejuice, Gladiator II, Bob Marley: One Love, Civil War, Furiosa, Challengers and Nosferatu as the top 40 movies that could maybe be considered. And the last one was moderately arthouse, anyway.

Not a lot of there there. Three sequels that range from fine to not great at the top. A biopic no one saw. An alternate history that is simultaneously political and anti-political. Another decent sequel. Challengers and then an artsy movie.

(The Conclave thing is weird because it’s apparently Based on a book that was written in the mid 2010s. So they were boxed in a little to that whatever twist ending).
Yeah, in general the bigger box office movies being existing IP sequels aka comic book moves, is certainly an issue.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 04, 2025, 11:09:59 AM
Yeah, in general the bigger box office movies being existing IP sequels aka comic book moves, is certainly an issue.

I had enough of the superhero BS by the mid-2000's.

People need to grow up.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 04, 2025, 11:14:20 AM
r.e. --- Oscar nominated movies (Best Picture)

I love movies, though obviously not a professional critic ---

I used try to watch most of the yearly nominated films, and my take is ---- a few are outstanding, a few are predictable noms of some virtue signaling cause (that are not very good, and not my taste), and a few that are shockingly bad, to the point of being unwatchable.

But, I'm just a caveman, so.....
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2025, 11:18:39 AM
I had enough of the superhero BS by the mid-2000's.

People need to grow up.
I saw an article (or something) about movies a long while ago. The rise of action movies is largely due to the fact that they play REALLY well internationally, because action movies translate cross-culturally very easily. There's no nuance. 

Compared to comedies, which translate VERY poorly. Especially anything involving any sense of wordplay, which might not come through at all. 

China+India is a combined market of over 2.5B people, far larger than the US and Europe combined. 

So shitty action (and superhero) movies keep getting made because they make the studios LOTS of money, and a huge portion of that pie comes from the international audience. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 04, 2025, 11:24:32 AM
I saw an article (or something) about movies a long while ago. The rise of action movies is largely due to the fact that they play REALLY well internationally, because action movies translate cross-culturally very easily. There's no nuance.

Compared to comedies, which translate VERY poorly. Especially anything involving any sense of wordplay, which might not come through at all.

China+India is a combined market of over 2.5B people, far larger than the US and Europe combined.

So shitty action (and superhero) movies keep getting made because they make the studios LOTS of money, and a huge portion of that pie comes from the international audience.


I get that, and it makes perfect sense.

But, I also don't remember the movie studios struggling when they made quality films, either.  Can they do both?  Give the thinking man a bone to chew on.  Sheesh.

Are we just full go money grab now?  I suppose I shouldn't be shocked.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 04, 2025, 11:38:47 AM
just full go money grab seems to be working well for college football
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 11:42:31 AM
I get that, and it makes perfect sense.

But, I also don't remember the movie studios struggling when they made quality films, either.  Can they do both?  Give the thinking man a bone to chew on.  Sheesh.

Are we just full go money grab now?  I suppose I shouldn't be shocked.
I think it kind of clears out the middle. You either have big bets that you hope have big payoffs or small stuff that you can make cheaply. Or out and out award plays that can be hit or miss.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2025, 11:45:46 AM
I get that, and it makes perfect sense.

But, I also don't remember the movie studios struggling when they made quality films, either.  Can they do both?  Give the thinking man a bone to chew on.  Sheesh.

Are we just full go money grab now?  I suppose I shouldn't be shocked.
Eh. I think they're still making those. As you said yourself, a few of those nominated films are "outstanding". Clearly even if you think Hollywood perhaps doesn't match your sensibilities with some of the artsy / statement movies they make, they're still making SOME good ones. 

The other aspect is that we have a tendency to fetishize the past because we only remember the good movies. Let me pick a number out of a hat--1978, when I was born. These were the top grossing movies of 1978 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_in_film):

(https://i.imgur.com/ocnZrnm.png)

#1 is a pop bubble gum musical. #2 is an action superhero movie. #3 is a crass comedy. I don't recall #4-6. #7 is an action sequel. #10 is a action horror movie. 

And then look at the awards. Only two of the movies on this list really show up anywhere on the awards:


(https://i.imgur.com/mYiR3Y8.png)

So I won't sit here and say that the past was just SO much better... Our tastes as movie consumers haven't really changed much... We still reward superhero, action, horror, etc. 
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Post by: jgvol on February 04, 2025, 12:10:14 PM
Eh. I think they're still making those. As you said yourself, a few of those nominated films are "outstanding". Clearly even if you think Hollywood perhaps doesn't match your sensibilities with some of the artsy / statement movies they make, they're still making SOME good ones.

The other aspect is that we have a tendency to fetishize the past because we only remember the good movies. Let me pick a number out of a hat--1978, when I was born. These were the top grossing movies of 1978 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_in_film):

(https://i.imgur.com/ocnZrnm.png)

#1 is a pop bubble gum musical. #2 is an action superhero movie. #3 is a crass comedy. I don't recall #4-6. #7 is an action sequel. #10 is a action horror movie.

And then look at the awards. Only two of the movies on this list really show up anywhere on the awards:


(https://i.imgur.com/mYiR3Y8.png)

So I won't sit here and say that the past was just SO much better... Our tastes as movie consumers haven't really changed much... We still reward superhero, action, horror, etc.

Although 1978 is not great (for highest grossing films) --- if that is the measuring stick --- it is still an All-Star lineup when compared to today.  I see 5 iconic films on 1978's list.  Which one of 2024's has the potential to be iconic, or even vaguely recalled?


(https://i.imgur.com/dsSW9qx.png)
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Post by: utee94 on February 04, 2025, 12:18:02 PM
Dune was great, Deadpool and Wolverine was extremely well-made and a lot of fun, and Wicked was a very good adaptation of a very entertaining musical.

I saw a handful of the others and they ranged from okay, to not so great, but 3/10 of the top-grossing movies were very good, even if they might not be your cup of tea.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 04, 2025, 12:29:42 PM
Dune was great, Deadpool and Wolverine was extremely well-made and a lot of fun, and Wicked was a very good adaptation of a very entertaining musical.

I saw a handful of the others and they ranged from okay, to not so great, but 3/10 of the top-grossing movies were very good, even if they might not be your cup of tea.



I'll take your word for it.  

Moana 2 is the only one I am likely to see (about 100 times probably).  I've seen the original Moana about 200 times already.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 04, 2025, 12:33:20 PM
there's a stoopid movie thread somewhere, buried for good reason
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Post by: utee94 on February 04, 2025, 12:34:20 PM
Well we gotta use this thread for something...

And no, we don't need to use it for discussion of chess moves.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 04, 2025, 12:35:58 PM
maybe super bowl party food and drink?
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Post by: utee94 on February 04, 2025, 12:43:09 PM
There's already a food thread, but sure why not.

We're having pizza, chicken wings, and beer.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2025, 12:48:23 PM
We're going to have jalapeno poppers (ABTs specifically (https://www.smoking-meat.com/june-8-2017-atomic-buffalo-turds-aka-abts)), pizza pretzels with marinara, and smoked pulled pork nachos during the game. 

Being out here in Pacific Time, that means we'll still have to have a dinner afterwards, which I think is just going to be chili dogs and tater tots. 

Yeah, it's going to be a rare junk food day with the kids lol...
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 04, 2025, 01:29:07 PM
r.e. --- Oscar nominated movies (Best Picture)

I love movies, though obviously not a professional critic ---

I used try to watch most of the yearly nominated films, and my take is ---- a few are outstanding, a few are predictable noms of some virtue signaling cause (that are not very good, and not my taste), and a few that are shockingly bad, to the point of being unwatchable.

But, I'm just a caveman, so.....
This is similar to me. Having kids running around the house makes watching a lot of movies difficult, and it constrains what kinds of movies one watches (at least it does for me). That changes as they get older, but it's still true. But Hollywood is still making great movies.

I have tired of the superhero epics (including Star Wars), but there were some really good movies mixed in there for a while. There are other really good movies being made. I thought Conclave was solid. Dune was very good. Everything Everywhere All At Once is one of my favorite movies ever. It hit a lot of really high points for me.

And I agree that not all movies have to be art house fare. I really liked Inception, but even more blockbuster-y, I enoyed the Mad Max reboot, and the first two John Wicks (I haven't seen the next two). I really liked La La Land. I know it wasn't all that groundbreaking, but it was a fun night at the movies. Was it the best picture that year? I have no idea, but I enjoyed it. And the Death of Stalin? Gold. There are plenty of really good movies in lots of different genres that have come out in the last year, five years, ten years, etc. 

There are lots of others. You just have to sift the wheat from the chaff, and good lord Disney and Warner Brothers are pouring a lot of chaff into the superhero mill. (And, damn it, I want to see Deadpool and Wolverine, I just haven't yet.)

I'm probably more open to the virtue signaling--or I likely have a different perspective on what virtue signaling is--than you do (based on my perception of our political differences), but I agree that ham-handed virtue signaling is off-putting, regardless of whether it supports my world view. That said, art--definitely including movies--has always pushed societal norms. Is that virtue signaling? You say potato (I also say potato, because no one says poh-tah-toh). Two movies from the recent past that stand out to me: Do the Right Thing and Brokeback Mountain. They were really important movies, the latter probably more so than the former as far as its social reach. Have I gone back to watch either again? No. I didn't think they were ham-handed, but they definitely pushed a perspective. I'm ok with that. Art, even popcorn art, influenes culture. It always has.
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 02:10:39 PM
The hosts of the Super Bowl party I usually go to are skipping town. Which is annoying, because I found a place to pre-order upscale barbecue. Maybe next year.

That’s a good lil business, BBQ preorders for the Super Bowl. Solves a ton of logistical problems with supplying food for the game.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 04, 2025, 02:18:46 PM
This is similar to me. Having kids running around the house makes watching a lot of movies difficult, and it constrains what kinds of movies one watches (at least it does for me). That changes as they get older, but it's still true. But Hollywood is still making great movies.

I have tired of the superhero epics (including Star Wars), but there were some really good movies mixed in there for a while. There are other really good movies being made. I thought Conclave was solid. Dune was very good. Everything Everywhere All At Once is one of my favorite movies ever. It hit a lot of really high points for me.

And I agree that not all movies have to be art house fare. I really liked Inception, but even more blockbuster-y, I enoyed the Mad Max reboot, and the first two John Wicks (I haven't seen the next two). I really liked La La Land. I know it wasn't all that groundbreaking, but it was a fun night at the movies. Was it the best picture that year? I have no idea, but I enjoyed it. And the Death of Stalin? Gold. There are plenty of really good movies in lots of different genres that have come out in the last year, five years, ten years, etc.

There are lots of others. You just have to sift the wheat from the chaff, and good lord Disney and Warner Brothers are pouring a lot of chaff into the superhero mill. (And, damn it, I want to see Deadpool and Wolverine, I just haven't yet.)

I'm probably more open to the virtue signaling--or I likely have a different perspective on what virtue signaling is--than you do (based on my perception of our political differences), but I agree that ham-handed virtue signaling is off-putting, regardless of whether it supports my world view. That said, art--definitely including movies--has always pushed societal norms. Is that virtue signaling? You say potato (I also say potato, because no one says poh-tah-toh). Two movies from the recent past that stand out to me: Do the Right Thing and Brokeback Mountain. They were really important movies, the latter probably more so than the former as far as its social reach. Have I gone back to watch either again? No. I didn't think they were ham-handed, but they definitely pushed a perspective. I'm ok with that. Art, even popcorn art, influenes culture. It always has.

You are my favorite dipstick liberal that I've never met.

Great post, and I can't find much to disagree about here.  My opposition to the virtue signaling movies, are those of the overt, transparent variety.  The making of the movie, just for the sake of pushing a narrative --- and that can go either way politically.  Both are ick for me.

You listed a couple of good ones there that are culturally relevant and informative, without the 'in your face', condescension.  The ones that don't make you feel like Hitler, if you have a different perspective.  Just tell the story, without dehumanizing one side, or the other.  Those are effective, and I can get down with it.

I am a particular fan of the historical pieces on the marginalized.  Glory, Dances with Wolves, Men of Honor, etc ---those types, even if some of them are fictional, or take creative license.  Feel good films, that hit the ole ticker.
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Post by: Riffraft on February 04, 2025, 02:33:23 PM
When I first retired, I joined the amc a-lister for $20 a month to see up to 3 movies a week.  Saw more movies when they first came out then I ever have in my life. Personally most just weren't that good.  Favorite by far was Deadpool & Wolverine.  Really is a great entertaining movie saw 3 times in the theater and then bought the steaming version of it.  Conclave was entertaining.  Hadn't heard of the book so didn't know about the ending.  Bonhoeffer is one of my favorite people in history so I enjoyed it.  Wicked was ok,but not my thing (wife loved it).  Gladiator II was bad in my opinion. Red One was cute.  Here was absolutely boring. Joker II was terrible.  Venom, a few entertaining scence but overall typical superhero film. With Reagon being one of my favorite presidents I really like the movie

Saw quite a few other movies that bored, slightly entertained etc.  Gave up the subscription because most of the movies were out streaming with a few weeks of release, no reason to go to the theater to watch. 

Personally I find that I actively dislike most of the oscar nomimated movies through the years.  

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Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 02:58:25 PM
You are my favorite dipstick liberal that I've never met.

Great post, and I can't find much to disagree about here.  My opposition to the virtue signaling movies, are those of the overt, transparent variety.  The making of the movie, just for the sake of pushing a narrative --- and that can go either way politically.  Both are ick for me.

You listed a couple of good ones there that are culturally relevant and informative, without the 'in your face', condescension.  The ones that don't make you feel like Hitler, if you have a different perspective.  Just tell the story, without dehumanizing one side, or the other.  Those are effective, and I can get down with it.

I am a particular fan of the historical pieces on the marginalized.  Glory, Dances with Wolves, Men of Honor, etc ---those types, even if some of them are fictional, or take creative license.  Feel good films, that hit the ole ticker.
Out of curiosity, and maybe if it can stay somewhat removed from politics, which of the current crop do/did you find to be virtue signaling?
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Post by: jgvol on February 04, 2025, 03:26:31 PM
Out of curiosity, and maybe if it can stay somewhat removed from politics, which of the current crop do/did you find to be virtue signaling?

I haven't seen a single one this year.

But what I've read of "Conclave", I'd certainly include it.
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 03:47:31 PM
I haven't seen a single one this year.

But what I've read of "Conclave", I'd certainly include it.
I could see that.

That’s an interesting one because the part I think you’re taking about is a real twist at the end. Unless that’s more a commentary on the larger treatment of the church.

Of the set of movies, I think two could probably fall into that space (Emilia Perez, which is not that good, and Conclave, which is mostly good, though the twist is whatever), and if you stretched, maybe a third (Nickel Boys is set in the Jim Crow south in a pretty grotesque setting). The Substance could be read that way, but it’s also probably too gross to draw much flack there.

The other six I’ve seen feel like they’re just movies. Anora was probably my favorite. I think 20 years ago, Complete Unknown would be more of a consensus movie.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2025, 03:51:08 PM
Is it sad that I've only seen 4 out of all the Best Picture nominees of the last 5 years?
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Post by: ELA on February 04, 2025, 03:58:02 PM
I haven't seen a single one this year.

But what I've read of "Conclave", I'd certainly include it.
I think Emilia Perez certainly is.

I had so many issues with the ending of Conclave, mainly that it was out of nowhere, and did nothing to alter anything that happened up to that point, nor did it change the ultimate conclusion.  I would have had that feeling with any number of endings that were equally nonsense.  But the route they chose, in the current climate, felt like they were trying to shoehorn it in.  As bay pointed out, it's based on a book, which is like a decade old, so I don't think its trying to do anything there.  I think it's just a bad ending to an otherwise enjoyable film.  And honestly, it's not just the twist.  It wraps itself up too neatly without ever really figuring out the motivations of how we got where we got.

I'm hopeful I'll find one that jumps out and grabs me, possibly Anora.  There seems to always be one that does that.  It was The Holdovers last year, and Coda the year before.  Two movies that I figured I'd power through, but were both outstanding.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 04, 2025, 03:58:34 PM
I could see that.

That’s an interesting one because the part I think you’re taking about is a real twist at the end. Unless that’s more a commentary on the larger treatment of the church.

Of the set of movies, I think two could probably fall into that space (Emilia Perez, which is not that good, and Conclave, which is mostly good, though the twist is whatever), and if you stretched, maybe a third (Nickel Boys is set in the Jim Crow south in a pretty grotesque setting). The Substance could be read that way, but it’s also probably too gross to draw much flack there.

The other six I’ve seen feel like they’re just movies. Anora was probably my favorite. I think 20 years ago, Complete Unknown would be more of a consensus movie.

“Conclave” is one I really wanted to see.  Before I had the opportunity, the chatter started and so I read up a bit.  Ugh.  No point wasting my time.  Too bad.
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Post by: ELA on February 04, 2025, 04:08:51 PM
I do want to see The Brutalist, but man, 4 hours is a grind.

I assume A Complete Unknown will be fine.  I think with the ranked voting they do now, it has a chance to win, simply because I'm guessing it will be everyones like 3rd favorite, while the other ones are more divisive.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2025, 04:19:17 PM
I assume A Complete Unknown will be fine.
Obviously I haven't seen it, but it seems like we're now in a copycat "biopic of an iconic / quirky musician" genre... I mean, we had Elvis, Bohemian Rhapsody, and Rocketman in the last few years. I saw the first two, but not the last. I thought Elvis was terrible and yet it was nominated for Best Picture. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 04:21:48 PM
Is it sad that I've only seen 4 out of all the Best Picture nominees of the last 5 years?

Not sad unless you feel that way about it.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2025, 04:22:34 PM
Not sad unless you feel that way about it.
LOL good point. I guess I really don't care...
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 04:23:40 PM
Obviously I haven't seen it, but it seems like we're now in a copycat "biopic of an iconic / quirky musician" genre... I mean, we had Elvis, Bohemian Rhapsody, and Rocketman in the last few years. I saw the first two, but not the last. I thought Elvis was terrible and yet it was nominated for Best Picture.

I would say it was considerably better than Elvis, and have heard it was better than the other two.

if you are a person who modestly likes Bob Dylan, it’s probably worth a watch.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 04, 2025, 04:33:20 PM
Dune was great, Deadpool and Wolverine was extremely well-made and a lot of fun, and Wicked was a very good adaptation of a very entertaining musical.

I thought Deadpool and Wolverine was enjoyable, but not that "good."  What I mean by that is, I think it got most of its mileage out of the fun cameos and finding yet another way for the multiverse to abuse meaningful story-telling and bring Hugh Jackman back, rather than tell an interesting story with an interesting plot or theme.  

But, I suppose Deadpool movies are more about Ryan Reynolds playing Ryan Reynolds again, and enjoying the moment, moreso than they're meant to be classes in plot or character development.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 04, 2025, 04:36:55 PM
And I agree that not all movies have to be art house fare. I really liked Inception, but even more blockbuster-y, I enoyed the Mad Max reboot, and the first two John Wicks (I haven't seen the next two). I really liked La La Land. I know it wasn't all that groundbreaking, but it was a fun night at the movies. Was it the best picture that year? I have no idea, but I enjoyed it. And the Death of Stalin? Gold.

Hey.....I really liked Inception, and John Wick, and La La Land.  And yes, The Death of Stalin is absolute gold.  

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I don't like where we're headed lately.  I'm gonna focus on how much I dislike Mad Max and how much we disagree on that.  
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 04, 2025, 04:48:50 PM
Out of curiosity, and maybe if it can stay somewhat removed from politics, which of the current crop do/did you find to be virtue signaling?
Barbie. Overall, I thought it was a fine movie. It did a great job of taking a toyland and turning into a live action universe. Technically, it was really well done.
But the women's liberation story arc was ridiculous. SFIrish, who has worn pink hats and gone to DC for the Women's March, was put off by it. It was just soooo over the top.

Because they are attached at the hip, I would say that Oppenheimer may have pushed the virtue signaling more than it needed to, but I don't think it was so overtly over the top as to make me shake my head about it.

I would love to see a film about the 442 Regimental Combat Team (consistent with Jgvol's comment above), but the parts of Masters of the Air that included the Red Tails were just silly. (In general, I thougth Masters of the Air was a ham-handed, by the numbers war epic, with really cool visuals of air combat, but nothing else.)
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 04, 2025, 04:50:55 PM
In other news...I'm reading about Stalin right now. Dude was charming. And a really bad guy. But also a true believer. Humans are weird.
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Post by: ELA on February 04, 2025, 05:00:23 PM
Obviously I haven't seen it, but it seems like we're now in a copycat "biopic of an iconic / quirky musician" genre... I mean, we had Elvis, Bohemian Rhapsody, and Rocketman in the last few years. I saw the first two, but not the last. I thought Elvis was terrible and yet it was nominated for Best Picture.

I liked Elvis more than most people did.  I thought Bohemian was awful and I am a HUGE Queen fan.  Rocketman was easily the best of those 3 IMO, but it also was different.  It wasn't a strict biopic, as it was a musical about Elton John, set to Elton John music.  So it wasn't about where he was when he wrote various songs, it was finding songs to fit scenes, while still telling a story.  Also, because of that, it had more music than the other 2
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 04, 2025, 05:11:56 PM
I liked Elvis more than most people did.  I thought Bohemian was awful and I am a HUGE Queen fan.  Rocketman was easily the best of those 3 IMO, but it also was different.  It wasn't a strict biopic, as it was a musical about Elton John, set to Elton John music.  So it wasn't about where he was when he wrote various songs, it was finding songs to fit scenes, while still telling a story.  Also, because of that, it had more music than the other 2

Agree about Elvis and Bohemian Rhapsody, and I am also a huge Queen fan.  I didn't see Rocketman.  We were thinking about it sometime after renting Bohemian and then we decided not to bother, probably because of the sour taste Bohemian had left.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 04, 2025, 05:15:51 PM
In other news...I'm reading about Stalin right now. Dude was charming. And a really bad guy. But also a true believer. Humans are weird.

Apparently, Lenin could also be quite charming.  Must be all the Vodka they probably impounded from the Czars.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2025, 05:33:16 PM
Barbie. Overall, I thought it was a fine movie. It did a great job of taking a toyland and turning into a live action universe. Technically, it was really well done.

But the women's liberation story arc was ridiculous. SFIrish, who has worn pink hats and gone to DC for the Women's March, was put off by it. It was just soooo over the top.
Yeah, I was thinking about bringing that one up. 

My wife was hoping for ultimately a fun fanservice movie. She's didn't want politics to be pounded into her in a movie format about Barbie. She liked the start of the movie when Barbie was being Barbie. It was cute and funny. She grew up playing with Barbie. She loved the things like the start of the movie where Barbie is opening her fridge and it's just a cardboard display of what would be in it, because it was nostalgia for her. She wanted the movie to be entirely that...

...and I did not. I felt that would be a completely boring and useless movie, and because I didn't grow up playing with Barbie dolls, perfectly uninteresting to me. I was hoping that they would be able to turn Barbie into some sort of dystopian hellscape story. Because you have to do SOMETHING to make it interesting. You can't really make a strong movie based JUST on nostalgia. And in the end, I actually got my dystopian hellscape story...

...and yet, I still didn't like the movie. 

It just ended up seeming like they were trying to turn it into a political statement, and doing a really piss-poor job of it. They were trying to thread the needle of "fun because it's Barbie, y'all!" and "let's deal with these difficult social issues plaguing society". And they swung... And they missed. 

To me it's like when stand-up comedians tackle REALLY horrible societal issues. It's like taking on an Olympics movement/routine where the degree of difficulty is just absolutely insanely massive. If you nail it, it pays off big. If you miss, it's just cringe. Barbie ended up being cringe. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 04, 2025, 05:46:00 PM
I liked Elvis more than most people did.    
To me Elvis was just so overly stylized that I never really felt like I was actually watching something real. 

To me it was like the movie adaptation of Starship Troopers that almost seemed like it was filled with interludes of 1950s-ish stylistic propaganda about the humans fighting the bugs and ended up turning what is a pretty solid and serious book dealing with weighty issues about duty and the relationship between people and their governance into a pop sci-fi shoot-em-up. 

Elvis seemed like the cartoon treatment of Elvis Presley's life. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 04, 2025, 05:57:02 PM
There are hardly any bio-movies about musicians/singers I've ever liked.  One thing even great actors hardly ever seem to be able to do is embody the enigmatic musicians. 

I thought Val Kilmer did about as good a job trying to do Jim Morrison as could be done.....and it still wasn't great.

Elvis suffered from that, even though I liked the movie overall.  The real Elvis was a thing that can't be imitated, and when the natural charisma and unique style he had isn't there, it's so much flatter of a character than the real person that people loved. 

There was an episode of Mad Men about that.  Somebody tried to duplicate an Ann Margaret commercial and nailed everything about it, except it sucked......because it wasn't Ann Margaret.  
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 06:00:15 PM
Barbie. Overall, I thought it was a fine movie. It did a great job of taking a toyland and turning into a live action universe. Technically, it was really well done.
But the women's liberation story arc was ridiculous. SFIrish, who has worn pink hats and gone to DC for the Women's March, was put off by it. It was just soooo over the top.

Because they are attached at the hip, I would say that Oppenheimer may have pushed the virtue signaling more than it needed to, but I don't think it was so overtly over the top as to make me shake my head about it.

I would love to see a film about the 442 Regimental Combat Team (consistent with Jgvol's comment above), but the parts of Masters of the Air that included the Red Tails were just silly. (In general, I thougth Masters of the Air was a ham-handed, by the numbers war epic, with really cool visuals of air combat, but nothing else.)
I’m more meant this year.

but yes, Barbie was excessively preachy. I didn’t totally feel that was Oppenheimer. Granted, I think the phrase itself is a little muddled anyway (but that’s a topic for a different board)
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Post by: utee94 on February 04, 2025, 06:00:58 PM
I thought Deadpool and Wolverine was enjoyable, but not that "good."  What I mean by that is, I think it got most of its mileage out of the fun cameos and finding yet another way for the multiverse to abuse meaningful story-telling and bring Hugh Jackman back, rather than tell an interesting story with an interesting plot or theme. 

But, I suppose Deadpool movies are more about Ryan Reynolds playing Ryan Reynolds again, and enjoying the moment, moreso than they're meant to be classes in plot or character development. 
Eh, I thought it was very well-made, and funny, and entertaining.  

I mean, it's a Deadpool movie.  It's not arthouse or fine literature.

I think Ryan Reynolds is the perfect Deadpool and it's obviously a pet project for him and he puts a hell of a lot into it.

So I guess what I'm saying is you are entitled to your own opinion, but you're also wrong.  Ole~.  Whatever.
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 06:04:32 PM
Apparently, Lenin could also be quite charming.  Must be all the Vodka they probably impounded from the Czars. 
I would bet the majority of really effective leaders are shockingly charming when they need to be. in some ways, It’s just a different kind of sales
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Post by: utee94 on February 04, 2025, 06:06:19 PM
I'm a huge Chalamet fan but I loathe Bob Dylan's music with the flaming hatred of a thousand suns.

I saw Chalamet sing the Dylan songs on Saturday Night Live last week.  He did an incredible job of sounding like Bob Dylan, and so consequently I despised his renditions as well.

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Post by: longhorn320 on February 04, 2025, 07:29:24 PM
I'm a huge Chalamet fan but I loathe Bob Dylan's music with the flaming hatred of a thousand suns.

I saw Chalamet sing the Dylan songs on Saturday Night Live last week.  He did an incredible job of sounding like Bob Dylan, and so consequently I despised his renditions as well.


I dont think many realy liked Dylans voice. To understand his popularity you would need to experience the times he lived in.  It wasnt his voice but his message that appealed to his fans.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 04, 2025, 07:48:05 PM
just full go money grab seems to be working well for college football
unlike
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Post by: utee94 on February 04, 2025, 10:10:41 PM
I dont think many realy liked Dylans voice. To understand his popularity you would need to experience the times he lived in.  It wasnt his voice but his message that appealed to his fans.

Eh, it's not just his voice.  I'm not a huge fan of folk music in general, and his music ranges from folk, to folk that's trying to sound like rock but doing it poorly.  

As far as messages go, there are other artists of the time who had plenty of messages that I can relate to.  It's not a sign of the times, it's directly, Bob Dylan's music in and of itself, that I find objectionable.
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 04, 2025, 10:52:17 PM
I'm a huge Chalamet fan but I loathe Bob Dylan's music with the flaming hatred of a thousand suns.

I saw Chalamet sing the Dylan songs on Saturday Night Live last week.  He did an incredible job of sounding like Bob Dylan, and so consequently I despised his renditions as well.


You should not see that (pretty good) movie. 
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 04, 2025, 11:03:08 PM
I'm a huge Chalamet fan but I loathe Bob Dylan's music with the flaming hatred of a thousand suns.



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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 12:40:10 AM
You should not see that (pretty good) movie.
No worries, it's not on the list. 

But Dune Messiah or whatever they're going to call it, definitely is.
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 05, 2025, 06:24:27 AM
So shitty action (and superhero) movies keep getting made because they make the studios LOTS of money, and a huge portion of that pie comes from the international audience.
Good Post,I kept wondering who watches these bad skits that keep getting produced,never realizing why :017: . Just another segment of American Society that throws the US public to the dogs. I wouldn't have gotten fond of master pieces like Kelly's Heroes/Python's Holy Grail/Caddyshack/Animal House/Stripes/Young Frankenstein/ Planes, Trains & Automobiles/Cheech and Chong/Kingpin...... 
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Post by: FearlessF on February 05, 2025, 10:30:34 AM
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

United Artists Film Studio Is Founded (1919)
In 1919, four of the leading figures in Hollywood—Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickford, D.W. Griffith, and Douglas Fairbanks—decided to form their own film studio to better control their own work. Though initially successful, United Artists foundered as films became more expensive to produce. It was taken over in the 1950s and began to thrive again until the 80s, when it was bought by the studio MGM.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 05, 2025, 10:49:56 AM
Eh, I thought it was very well-made, and funny, and entertaining. 

I mean, it's a Deadpool movie.  It's not arthouse or fine literature.

I think Ryan Reynolds is the perfect Deadpool and it's obviously a pet project for him and he puts a hell of a lot into it.

So I guess what I'm saying is you are entitled to your own opinion, but you're also wrong.  Ole~.  Whatever.

Bruh....I said it was enjoyable.  Substitute in the word "entertaining" in case you still think you're disagreeing with me.  
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Post by: FearlessF on February 05, 2025, 10:55:34 AM
he's disagreeable

as you know
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Post by: Riffraft on February 05, 2025, 11:06:48 AM
I thought Deadpool and Wolverine was enjoyable, but not that "good."  What I mean by that is, I think it got most of its mileage out of the fun cameos and finding yet another way for the multiverse to abuse meaningful story-telling and bring Hugh Jackman back, rather than tell an interesting story with an interesting plot or theme. 

But, I suppose Deadpool movies are more about Ryan Reynolds playing Ryan Reynolds again, and enjoying the moment, moreso than they're meant to be classes in plot or character development. 
Personally I love movies that break the 4th wall and D&W does it very well
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Post by: Riffraft on February 05, 2025, 11:11:24 AM
No worries, it's not on the list.

But Dune Messiah or whatever they're going to call it, definitely is.
Herbert's books just don't lend themselves to film.  While they did a much better version this time than the previous attempt, it just doesn't do the book justice.  Too much has to be left out to understand what is going on. 
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Post by: longhorn320 on February 05, 2025, 11:14:36 AM
I dont think many realy liked Dylans voice. To understand his popularity you would need to experience the times he lived in.  It wasnt his voice but his message that appealed to his fans.
While I dont share your anti Dylan feelings I can understand it.  I feel the same way about all the "hiphop" performers out there. A thousand burning suns describes my hate feeling towards that type of music.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 05, 2025, 11:34:41 AM
Last night I watched a YouTube video titled "100 songs that turn 30 years old this year (1995)." 

1995 was high school for me and I recall very well the music I knew back then (not just music I liked).  I was pretty disappointed in myself that I didn't know probably about half of the songs it cycled through.  
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Post by: FearlessF on February 05, 2025, 11:36:23 AM
1995 was a good year

for college football
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Post by: ELA on February 05, 2025, 11:55:06 AM
1995 was a good year

for college football
Ok boomer
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 05, 2025, 11:57:00 AM
95, I'd have the grunge and industrial down, but the rap would trip me up. 

I do remember Coolio
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Post by: FearlessF on February 05, 2025, 12:00:03 PM
Ok boomer
not so good for the Sooners

0-37 in Lincoln
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 05, 2025, 12:04:28 PM
95, I'd have the grunge and industrial down, but the rap would trip me up.

I do remember Coolio
I remember that song!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 05, 2025, 12:05:22 PM
not so good for the Sooners

0-37 in Lincoln
Think baby boomer...
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Post by: FearlessF on February 05, 2025, 12:09:26 PM
I remember that damn song...

Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner!
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 05, 2025, 12:11:43 PM
I too know all the words.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 05, 2025, 12:48:26 PM
95, I'd have the grunge and industrial down, but the rap would trip me up.

I do remember Coolio

I did pretty well across genres, meaning I also did poorly across all genres.  

If I had to guess, the distinction with the 50% I didn't know is it was stuff that didn't get a lot of mainstream radio play or wasn't on MTV/VH1.  

....which, actually occasionally played music videos back then.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 05, 2025, 12:51:03 PM
Personally I love movies that break the 4th wall and D&W does it very well

All the Deadpool movies did that pretty well, imo.  

My favorite was the end-credits extra scene from the second one, where Deadpool time-travels to 2011, finds Ryan Reynolds getting excited about the Green Lantern script, and kills him.  
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Post by: FearlessF on February 05, 2025, 12:55:16 PM
Listening to boomer radio 
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Post by: ELA on February 05, 2025, 01:00:50 PM
Listening to boomer radio
Barry Switzer at the local watering hole?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 05, 2025, 02:12:40 PM
Saw utee post in the books thread about how his library wing is also the "Vinyl Lounge"...

One of the things when he posted about that in the now-closed thread is that it inspired me to build a couple of Spotify playlists that are just single albums start to finish. There are just some albums that need to be listened to straight through... I can't go from Rage Against The Machine to pretty much any Pink Floyd song and then out of that to Dr Dre and have any flow as I sometimes do when Spotify is on random. A lot of Pink Floyd really lends itself to just listening straight through lol... 

So just wanted to give a thumbs-up for that idea, even if I don't quite have the space for a dedicated listening lounge. 
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on February 05, 2025, 02:27:58 PM
Saw utee post in the books thread about how his library wing is also the "Vinyl Lounge"...

One of the things when he posted about that in the now-closed thread is that it inspired me to build a couple of Spotify playlists that are just single albums start to finish. There are just some albums that need to be listened to straight through... I can't go from Rage Against The Machine to pretty much any Pink Floyd song and then out of that to Dr Dre and have any flow as I sometimes do when Spotify is on random. A lot of Pink Floyd really lends itself to just listening straight through lol...

So just wanted to give a thumbs-up for that idea, even if I don't quite have the space for a dedicated listening lounge.
Exactly. I'm unsure how one simply listens to a Pink Floyd song. You really need to listen to the album. 
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 02:34:26 PM
+2 on Pink Floyd, and many others.

And yeah, I first started just listening to whole albums streaming, before I decided to dedicate the space to the Vinyl Lounge.

I think I may have stated it before, about my new space, is that I don't have ANY streaming setup in there.  Just the turntable and a single-disc CD player as sources.  So it sort of forces me to just listen to albums all the way through, without getting antsy and skipping around.  I find it to be very relaxing, and a reminder of how I used to approach listening to music, in the beforetimes.

Another thing I've noticed is just how accustomed I'd become to crappy sounding compressed streaming media. Both the turntable and the CDs, played through a decent amp and decent stereo loudspeakers, sound SO much better.

Don't get me wrong, there's still a place for streaming music and spotify playlists, I still love to set those up when we're out by the pool in back all day long, or hosting a lot of people in the house during the holidays. 

But for just straight up listening, I can't tell you how much nicer I've found it to be, to just sit in the Lounge and listen to albums all the way through.
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 02:42:27 PM
Which brings up another topic for discussion-- what do you consider to be the best albums all time, side A and side B, from beginning to end, with no bad songs?  The kind you just want to sit down and listen to the whole thing, never wanting to hit that skip button or lift the tone arm to the next track.

I'll throw out The Cars The Cars as a starting point, I love that whole album.  There are many others.

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Post by: ELA on February 05, 2025, 03:08:20 PM
Which brings up another topic for discussion-- what do you consider to be the best albums all time, side A and side B, from beginning to end, with no bad songs?  The kind you just want to sit down and listen to the whole thing, never wanting to hit that skip button or lift the tone arm to the next track.

I'll throw out The Cars The Cars as a starting point, I love that whole album.  There are many others.
So obviously the album as an art form has been dead for a while.  I think Dave Matthews and Oasis did the best job among "modern" artists of keeping the album as an art form.

I think Abbey Road is the best constructed album.  But I don't think it necessarily has the best songs.  It just works together better than anything I've ever heard.

If we are just talking banger after banger, these are some of my favorites.  Not saying they are the best crafted album, just albums where I can listen start to finish, these are the ones that come to mind

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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 05, 2025, 03:25:57 PM
Which brings up another topic for discussion-- what do you consider to be the best albums all time, side A and side B, from beginning to end, with no bad songs?  The kind you just want to sit down and listen to the whole thing, never wanting to hit that skip button or lift the tone arm to the next track.

I'll throw out The Cars The Cars as a starting point, I love that whole album.  There are many others.


There are a good number on my list. I'll start with Van Halen I and Boston. Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell has merit.
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 03:27:47 PM
So obviously the album as an art form has been dead for a while.  I think Dave Matthews and Oasis did the best job among "modern" artists of keeping the album as an art form.

I think Abbey Road is the best constructed album.  But I don't think it necessarily has the best songs.  It just works together better than anything I've ever heard.

If we are just talking banger after banger, these are some of my favorites.  Not saying they are the best crafted album, just albums where I can listen start to finish, these are the ones that come to mind

  • Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon & Garfunkel
  • Tapestry - Carole King
  • Born To Run - Bruce Springsteen
  • Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John
  • Rumours - Fleetwood Mac
  • Songs In The Key Of Life - Stevie Wonder
  • Who's Next - The Who
  • Band on the Run - Paul McCartney & the Wings
  • Thriller - Michael Jackson
  • Joshua Tree - U2
  • No Jacket Required - Phil Collins
  • Master of Puppets - Metallica
  • Appetite for Destruction - Guns n Roses
  • Jagged Little Pill - Alanis Morisette
  • Kid A - Radiohead
  • Chronic 2001 - Dr. Dre
  • Stankonia - OutKast
  • Black Album - Jay Z
  • College Dropout - Kanye West
  • FutureSexLoveSounds - Justin Timberlake
  • Come Away With Me - Norah Jones
  • White Trash With Money - Toby Keith
  • 1989 - Taylor Swift
  • 21 - Adele


You can define it however you like, it's an open ended question.  For me it doesn't need to be full of bangers, some of my favorite albums might only have 1 or 2 "hits" on them, the rest were merely album tracks.

But I will say that for me, my definition is-- it has to be an album with no weak songs, or no dislikable songs, no "immediate skips" or things like that. 

I'll illustrate, from one of the albums on your list.  I absolutely love U2 The Joshua Tree, it's one of my favorite albums of all time. But I also absolutely hate one song-- "Bullet The Blue Sky."  I find it pretentious, annoying, and also just a bad song.  It's an instant skip for me.  Which, for a vinyl LP record, means I have to stand up, walk over to the turntable, lift the tone arm, move it over manually, and drop it to the next track.  So that disqualifies that album for me.  In fact, when I dubbed that album to cassette tape, I just omitted that song, and then I never listened to the record or CD again, instead I always listed to the cassette tape.

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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 03:33:32 PM
There are a good number on my list. I'll start with Van Halen I and Boston. Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell has merit.
Absolutely agree.  Van Halen I, II, and 1984 are all full listens for me.  Same goes for all of the first three Boston albums.  And Heaven and Hell is good front to back as well.

Counting Crows August and Everything After is another one of mine.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 05, 2025, 03:52:51 PM
I think Abbey Road is the best constructed album.  But I don't think it necessarily has the best songs.  It just works together better than anything I've ever heard.

Back in high school, a buddy of mine shared an opinion with me that Pearl Jam's singles were progressively better from albums, one, two, and three, but that the albums got progressively worse.

I don't know that I still think that, specifically, but I know what you mean.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 05, 2025, 03:54:21 PM
Not the same album, but ELA mentioning Phil Collins immediately made me think of But Seriously.  One of the rare albums where I want to skip nothing.  
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Post by: jgvol on February 05, 2025, 04:04:22 PM
Smashing Pumpkins -- Siamese Dream.  unskippable.

Counting Crows August and Everything After -- a great call as well.

Nirvana -- Nevermind

Neil Diamond -- The Jazz Singer

"Singles" soundtrack

"Forrest Gump" soundtrack

Any Creedence album basically.
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 04:04:28 PM
Back in high school, a buddy of mine shared an opinion with me that Pearl Jam's singles were progressively better from albums, one, two, and three, but that the albums got progressively worse.

I don't know that I still think that, specifically, but I know what you mean. 

Yeah I don't know if the singles got better, but the albums definitely got worse.  Ten is a full listen for me, but although I like several tracks off the next couple of albums, I always found myself skipping multiple songs on them.  And I'll still bust out Ten to this day, while I haven't broken out the next two in... decades I guess.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 05, 2025, 04:12:11 PM
Smashing Pumpkins -- Siamese Dream.  unskippable.

Counting Crows August and Everything After -- a great call as well.

Nirvana -- Nevermind

Neil Diamond -- The Jazz Singer

"Singles" soundtrack

"Forrest Gump" soundtrack

Any Creedence album basically.
Hell yes.
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 04:16:31 PM
Single Soundtrack is fantastic.

Compilation albums are maybe a little bit of a cheat, but those songs were all specifically selected to go together for a movie soundtrack, so I think it fits.

Sort of along the same lines, Willie Nelson Stardust is a compilation album, but it's so, so good.  Absolutely a full listen for me, and a common one these days since I own the vinyl.  My daughter has gotten really into Willie Nelson lately, so I'm a proud papa.

And and for my own personal definition, I do omit Greatest Hits albums.  As fun as they are to listen to, they don't represent the spirit of what I'm going after.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 05, 2025, 04:19:42 PM
Yeah I don't know if the singles got better, but the albums definitely got worse.  Ten is a full listen for me, but although I like several tracks off the next couple of albums, I always found myself skipping multiple songs on them.  And I'll still bust out Ten to this day, while I haven't broken out the next two in... decades I guess.
Exactly. I feel like Ten is a masterpiece. Vs is a downgrade, but a pretty solid album. Just can't compete with Ten. Vitalogy is a middling album with a few good songs. Everything after that? Unlistenable. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 05, 2025, 04:21:10 PM
Soundgarden Superunknown

Temple of the Dog
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 05, 2025, 04:21:43 PM
Exactly. I feel like Ten is a masterpiece. Vs is a downgrade, but a pretty solid album. Just can't compete with Ten. Vitalogy is a middling album with a few good songs. Everything after that? Unlistenable.
Because it is a masterpiece.
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Post by: jgvol on February 05, 2025, 04:24:30 PM
Alice in Chains -- Dirt
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 04:25:42 PM
I know The Dude hates the effing Eagles, man-- but I don't.  And Hotel California is a great album, definitely a full listen.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 05, 2025, 05:42:59 PM
Yeah I don't know if the singles got better, but the albums definitely got worse.  Ten is a full listen for me, but although I like several tracks off the next couple of albums, I always found myself skipping multiple songs on them.  And I'll still bust out Ten to this day, while I haven't broken out the next two in... decades I guess.

In retrospect, I think the issue must have been that I really liked Better Man back then.  

Now I like it no more or less than other good songs of theirs from that time period, so the theory kind of falls apart.  Now it just feels like the albums got worse and the good songs stayed about the same.  
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Post by: jgvol on February 05, 2025, 05:46:29 PM
In retrospect, I think the issue must have been that I really liked Better Man back then. 

Now I like it no more or less than other good songs of theirs from that time period, so the theory kind of falls apart.  Now it just feels like the albums got worse and the good songs stayed about the same. 

I was big on Pearl Jam for 15 years.

They just had no staying power with me apart from a few songs, consequently -- none from "Ten".

They are a channel changer for me these days.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 05, 2025, 05:49:21 PM
I was big on Pearl Jam for 15 years.

They just had no staying power with me apart from a few songs, consequently -- none from "Ten".

They are a channel changer for me these days.
That's me with Nirvana these days. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 05, 2025, 05:53:55 PM
I was big on Pearl Jam for 15 years.

They just had no staying power with me apart from a few songs, consequently -- none from "Ten".

They are a channel changer for me these days.

I think it's fair to say I was never "big" on them, but they were a cultural phenomenon, and I did enjoy a handful of their songs in the early days.  I'd be disingenuous to claim I was into them like a lot of people were in those days.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 05, 2025, 06:34:18 PM
AC/DC

High Voltage
Highway to Hell
Back in Black
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Post by: jgvol on February 05, 2025, 06:51:10 PM
Bush — Sixteen Stone
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Post by: FearlessF on February 05, 2025, 06:58:04 PM
Rockihnroll the sixth studio album by Greg Kihn Band
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 05, 2025, 07:30:00 PM
Any Creedence album basically.
CCR is one of my all-time favorites, but it's fascinating to me how prolific they were for such a short period of time. Like three albums a year (or something like that) for three years (68-70), and then they burned out. Wild.
Alas, I haven't sat and listened to an album start to finish in forever. I agree that Floyd lends itself to that, but as a casual fan I disagree that their songs need their albums for support. Have a Cigar, Wish You Were Here, Welcome to the Machine, both Another Brick in the Wall 1 and 2, Comfortably Numb, Hey You, and Shine On (basically, all of Wish You Were Here) all stand well on their own (The Wall is great if you have the time, but many of its best songs are perfectly sustainable on their own). I think Dark Side of the Moon may fall more into the "must listen start to finish" category. 
It's not really a concept album, but as I've said before, Billy Joel's the Stranger is remarkable for its hit rate.
I used to love Aerosmith's Toys in the Attic and Rocks. Two very good start to finish albums, but--as noted--I haven't actually listed to them that way in ages.
Beastie Boys Licensed to Ill was great. Same for Guns and Roses Appetite for Destruction.
I suspect that once a band gets past a third album (or so), the demand to just keep writing overtakes the ability to make a nice, coherent collection.
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Post by: ELA on February 05, 2025, 10:51:55 PM
You can define it however you like, it's an open ended question.  For me it doesn't need to be full of bangers, some of my favorite albums might only have 1 or 2 "hits" on them, the rest were merely album tracks.

But I will say that for me, my definition is-- it has to be an album with no weak songs, or no dislikable songs, no "immediate skips" or things like that. 

I'll illustrate, from one of the albums on your list.  I absolutely love U2 The Joshua Tree, it's one of my favorite albums of all time. But I also absolutely hate one song-- "Bullet The Blue Sky."  I find it pretentious, annoying, and also just a bad song.  It's an instant skip for me.  Which, for a vinyl LP record, means I have to stand up, walk over to the turntable, lift the tone arm, move it over manually, and drop it to the next track.  So that disqualifies that album for me.  In fact, when I dubbed that album to cassette tape, I just omitted that song, and then I never listened to the record or CD again, instead I always listed to the cassette tape.
Yeah, banger after banger was probably overkill.  I just meant albums that were no skips, even if they werent necessarily conceived as a collective.  I dont think I ever seek out an individual song from Abbey Road, but I dont think anyone has ever topped it as an album as an art form.  So I was naming my no skip albums, even if I dont think of them necessarily as one piece of art. 

Also Auguat and Everything After was a great call, cant believe I forgot it.  Also, I hate to include a Greatest Hits, but the Counting Crows Greatest Hits album is very well assembled.  It might be my favorite greatest hits other than Queen
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Post by: ELA on February 05, 2025, 11:05:58 PM
Recovering the Satellites was also phenomenal.  Oasis and DMB were similar.  Put out 2-3 absolute masterpiece albums in the mid 90s, and just couldnt maintain it.  Oasis had their own internal issues I suppose
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Post by: ELA on February 05, 2025, 11:17:58 PM
Every RHCP album from Mothers Milk through Stadium Arcadium is a non skip for me as well
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Post by: utee94 on February 05, 2025, 11:35:01 PM
I used to like RHCP.  At some point I completely wore out on them.  Almost any RHCP song is a channel changer for me now, and I don't know why.
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Post by: ELA on February 06, 2025, 12:03:04 AM
I used to like RHCP.  At some point I completely wore out on them.  Almost any RHCP song is a channel changer for me now, and I don't know why.
In fairness, I don't think they've had a song in 15 years that I've loved, so I get it.  to me, that's the Eagles. and In fairness I didn't hear them until they were done, so it's not like they ever had new music for me to find. But at one point, they would have been in the running for my favorite band, and now I'm just so sick of the same dozen songs.  The only song of theirs I still have to listen to is Doolin Dalton.  And it's not that I dislike them, I think. I just honestly listened to five albums cover to cover too many times, and now I just can't do it with them anymore. I did it to myself
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 12:27:29 AM
Yeah maybe they got overplayed for me.  I just got to a point where every song of theirs sounded the same to me, and they're all sort of monotone one-note and repetitive.
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 06, 2025, 07:21:03 AM

Which brings up another topic for discussion-- what do you consider to be the best albums all time, side A and side B, from beginning to end, with no bad songs?  The kind you just want to sit down and listen to the whole thing, never wanting to hit that skip button or lift the tone arm to the next track.

I'll throw out The Cars The Cars as a starting point, I love that whole album.  There are many others.
Golderned thread thief,can't stay on point



Sort of along the same lines, Willie Nelson Stardust is a compilation album, but it's so, so good.  Absolutely a full listen for me, and a common one these days since I own the vinyl.  My daughter has gotten really into Willie Nelson lately, so I'm a proud papa.
But I'll forgive you just this one time and after that album you can put on Red Headed Stranger


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Post by: MrNubbz on February 06, 2025, 07:26:04 AM
In fairness, I don't think they've had a song in 15 years that I've loved, so I get it.  to me, that's the Eagles. and In fairness I didn't hear them until they were done, so it's not like they ever had new music for me to find. But at one point, they would have been in the running for my favorite band, and now I'm just so sick of the same dozen songs.  The only song of theirs I still have to listen to is Doolin Dalton.  And it's not that I dislike them, I think. I just honestly listened to five albums cover to cover too many times, and now I just can't do it with them anymore. I did it to myself
We can always spin some Bob Seger/SBB for you ;D
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Post by: Gigem on February 06, 2025, 08:34:11 AM
Have not seriously listened to RHCP album since the early 2000’s. 

But as an album I listened to Blood Sugar Sex Magic a lot, and there is a lot of songs on that radio that never get played on the radio that I loved. 
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Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2025, 08:42:34 AM
London Calling - the Clash
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Post by: Gigem on February 06, 2025, 08:47:07 AM
I absolutely love “Wildflowers” from Tim Petty. The whole album, from start to finish. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 08:49:27 AM
I know it's sacrilege down here, but man, I can't stand Tom Petty. The music is fine, but that voice... ouch.
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 06, 2025, 08:51:56 AM
Ya well aren't you a fan of Steve Perry? ;D
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 09:03:53 AM
Steve Perry has an incredible voice.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 09:15:12 AM
Yep.
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Post by: jgvol on February 06, 2025, 10:17:03 AM
I know it's sacrilege down here, but man, I can't stand Tom Petty. The music is fine, but that voice... ouch.

My wife can't stand him either.  Strange --- the both of you.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 06, 2025, 10:57:48 AM
Steve Perry has an incredible voice. 

Had.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 06, 2025, 10:58:57 AM
My wife can't stand him either.  Strange --- the both of you.


Hmm....more strange that a Vol does like him.... 

I'm now suspicious that you're secretly a Gator.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 11:07:35 AM
Had.
(https://i.imgur.com/ct8CCYB.jpeg)
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 11:15:28 AM
Had.
I mean, so did Jon Bon Jovi and pretty much every other guy that was a great singer 40 years ago and is just old now.  I suspect many of them wrecked their voices smoking cigarettes and other crap.

Although I'll say that I've recently (within the past 4 years) seen both Sammy Hagar and Simon Le Bon live, and both could still kill it onstage.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 11:19:21 AM
I mean, so did Jon Bon Jovi and pretty much every other guy that was a great singer 40 years ago and is just old now.  I suspect many of them wrecked their voices smoking cigarettes and other crap.

Although I'll say that I've recently (within the past 4 years) seen both Sammy Hagar and Simon Le Bon live, and both could still kill it onstage.


Saw Sammy at Cabo Wabo a few years ago. He and Michael Anthony kicked ass on that stage.
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Post by: jgvol on February 06, 2025, 11:21:22 AM
Van Hagar > Van Halen  (not saying much though :88:)
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 11:24:30 AM
Van Hagar > Van Halen  (not saying much though :88:)
I like 'em both.  Sammy is a better singer overall, DLR was a better front man.  Early Van Halen was iconic and genre-defining, but the band still rocked out for several albums with Sammy.

I saw them once with the guy from Extreme (which is a band I like) and it just wasn't the same.
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 11:25:46 AM
Which could spark another discussion-- who's the best front man in rock music history?

I'd put DLR up there.  And Mick Jagger.  And Freddy Mercury.  Who else?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 11:31:22 AM
Which could spark another discussion-- who's the best front man in rock music history?

I'd put DLR up there.  And Mick Jagger.  And Freddy Mercury.  Who else?
Ozzy.
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Post by: jgvol on February 06, 2025, 11:33:52 AM
Which could spark another discussion-- who's the best front man in rock music history?

I'd put DLR up there.  And Mick Jagger.  And Freddy Mercury.  Who else?

Jim Morrison.
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 11:38:31 AM
Jean Simmons probably deserves a nod.

Seems like the more modern bands are a little more ensemble-focused.  They might have lead singers, but do they really have "front men" anymore? 

I'd probably list Dave Grohl as a front man, and a pretty good one.  Not that Foo Fighters are a particularly "modern" band at this point.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 11:53:15 AM
Jean Simmons probably deserves a nod.

Seems like the more modern bands are a little more ensemble-focused.  They might have lead singers, but do they really have "front men" anymore? 

I'd probably list Dave Grohl as a front man, and a pretty good one.  Not that Foo Fighters are a particularly "modern" band at this point.
Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley?

They both fronted.

I tend to agree with you. Not a thing anymore.
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 06, 2025, 11:57:05 AM
I saw the Foo Fighters last year, and it was very interesting to see how they had to space out the big songs and then have some random solos to preserve the singing voice.

The base solo was a bit much. 
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 12:01:00 PM
Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley?

They both fronted.

I tend to agree with you. Not a thing anymore.
I guess I tend to think of Gene Simmons as the front man, and Paul Stanley as a secondary lead singer.  Offstage Gene was always much more outspoken than Paul, and onstage he was more flamboyant.

Kinda like Dennis DeYoung and Tommy Shaw with Styx.  Tommy lead-sang a lot, and I probably like more of his hits than DeYoung's, but that was still most definitely Dennis DeYoung's band.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 12:03:29 PM
Angus Young?
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 12:04:23 PM
I saw the Foo Fighters last year, and it was very interesting to see how they had to space out the big songs and then have some random solos to preserve the singing voice.

The base solo was a bit much.
Man you ain't seen nothin' until you've seen Michael Anthony down a liter of Jack Daniels whilst ripping on the bass for 15 minutes.
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 12:05:06 PM
Angus Young?
That's a good one.

Steven Tyler.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 06, 2025, 12:06:47 PM
That's a good one.

Steven Tyler.
Didn't know that Dude Looks Like A Lady was supposed to be a prediction about his future... :57:
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 12:14:55 PM
Reminds me of a high school ski trip I took with a friend's family in the late 1980s.  We were driving up to Red River, NM and stopped to eat at a Pizza Hut in Dalhart, Texas.  This is a small town, and it's very redneck/country, especially back then.  

Like all Pizza Huts of the day, it had a jukebox.  It was almost entirely country music, which I liked just fine having been born and raised on it, but I was listening to a lot more hard rock and glam rock at the time.  So I played a couple of different country songs, but I also mixed in Dude Looks Like a Lady.  When it came on, I could tell that the local patrons weren't too thrilled about it.  They started looking around, I guess trying to figure out who had selected it.  They probably figured it out, too, but nobody said anything.

As we were walking out, I dropped $2 in that jukebox and selected Dude Looks Like a Lady to play at least 8 times in a row. 

I assume somebody eventually went over to unplug the thing and reset it...

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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 12:17:06 PM
That's awesome.
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 12:20:40 PM
That's awesome.
I look back now, and it's kind of a dick move.  But I was a pretty good kid in high school and if that's the worst thing I did, then I think the world got off lucky. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 06, 2025, 12:31:47 PM
Which could spark another discussion-- who's the best front man in rock music history?

I'd put DLR up there.  And Mick Jagger.  And Freddy Mercury.  Who else?

Robert Plant has to be on the list.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 06, 2025, 12:34:59 PM
Man you ain't seen nothin' until you've seen Michael Anthony down a liter of Jack Daniels whilst ripping on the bass for 15 minutes.

I remember watching an interview of Michael Anthony back around 2000.  He said "Some people say you can't have bass solos at a rock concert.  I say give me a bass, 800 watts, and a crowd full of rowdy fans, and I'll give you a ******* bass solo that'll melt your face off."  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 12:37:06 PM
Front man?

(https://i.imgur.com/X2CxNZ6.jpeg)
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 12:50:41 PM
Still lookin pretty good after all these years.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 12:53:23 PM
Pretty good?
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Post by: ELA on February 06, 2025, 12:53:35 PM
Reminds me of a high school ski trip I took with a friend's family in the late 1980s.  We were driving up to Red River, NM and stopped to eat at a Pizza Hut in Dalhart, Texas.  This is a small town, and it's very redneck/country, especially back then. 

Like all Pizza Huts of the day, it had a jukebox.  It was almost entirely country music, which I liked just fine having been born and raised on it, but I was listening to a lot more hard rock and glam rock at the time.  So I played a couple of different country songs, but I also mixed in Dude Looks Like a Lady.  When it came on, I could tell that the local patrons weren't too thrilled about it.  They started looking around, I guess trying to figure out who had selected it.  They probably figured it out, too, but nobody said anything.

As we were walking out, I dropped $2 in that jukebox and selected Dude Looks Like a Lady to play at least 8 times in a row.

I assume somebody eventually went over to unplug the thing and reset it...
I once spent $10 playing Take Me Home Country Roads on repeat on a jukebox in Pittsburgh

Also one of the first "digital" ones I ever saw, where you weren't limited to what they actually had in the machine, I played Chumbawumbas entire album
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Post by: ELA on February 06, 2025, 12:55:15 PM
Which could spark another discussion-- who's the best front man in rock music history?

I'd put DLR up there.  And Mick Jagger.  And Freddy Mercury.  Who else?
In my mind, it Freddie Mercury by such a wide margin, and then there is a fantastic conversation about who is #2.
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 01:11:24 PM
Pretty good?
Yeah sure, for an old broad.

You can't pretend she wasn't hot back in the 80s.


(https://i.imgur.com/S3s5xze.png)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 01:16:47 PM
A chick with legs like that who can play guitar and sing is HOT. I don't care how old she is.
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Post by: utee94 on February 06, 2025, 01:30:31 PM
A chick with legs like that who can play guitar and sing is HOT. I don't care how old she is.
Ah okay.  Wasn't sure where you were going with that.  I agree. :)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 06, 2025, 01:45:28 PM
She's 66...
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Post by: jgvol on February 06, 2025, 01:48:23 PM
Yeah sure, for an old broad.

You can't pretend she wasn't hot back in the 80s.


(https://i.imgur.com/S3s5xze.png)

Would.
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Post by: jgvol on February 06, 2025, 01:50:23 PM
Vols fans once trolled the Buckeye fans by playing Rocky Top on repeat in their bars --- via some internet jukebox app thingy.

Then got drug like red headed step children in the Horseshoe.  True story!
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Post by: ELA on February 06, 2025, 01:51:29 PM
Do we need a beer and cocaine thread?

https://news.yahoo.com/colombian-president-says-cocaine-no-080117008.html
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 06, 2025, 05:53:46 PM
Was on a Peloton ride today and the instructor called out a shoutout to a specific leaderboard name for some sort of milestone... 

I didn't see the name, but it must have been something like... Mike_Rochurtz

Yeah, she got got good. Took her a second to regain composure after that one :57:
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Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2025, 07:58:41 PM
Which could spark another discussion-- who's the best front man in rock music history?

I'd put DLR up there.  And Mick Jagger.  And Freddy Mercury.  Who else?
Peter Wolf
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 06, 2025, 08:01:57 PM
Was on a Peloton ride today and the instructor called out a shoutout to a specific leaderboard name for some sort of milestone...

I didn't see the name, but it must have been something like... Mike_Rochurtz

Yeah, she got got good. Took her a second to regain composure after that one :57:
mike Hunt
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 06, 2025, 10:38:18 PM
She's 66...
She was so hot, it broke up her band.  THAT'S hot.  The eyes!!!!!


(https://i.imgur.com/ON4tVTP.jpeg)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2025, 08:00:18 AM
This is nuts.

https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/luxury-homes/william-lauder-palm-beach-land-fcfc4904?st=MfBGD7&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

$200,000,000

(https://i.imgur.com/30gF8Ew.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 07, 2025, 08:34:29 AM
Was on a Peloton ride today and the instructor called out a shoutout to a specific leaderboard name for some sort of milestone...

I didn't see the name, but it must have been something like... Mike_Rochurtz

Yeah, she got got good. Took her a second to regain composure after that one :57:
😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2025, 09:57:06 AM
In my mind, it Freddie Mercury by such a wide margin, and then there is a fantastic conversation about who is #2.
How about Bruce Dickinson?
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Post by: jgvol on February 07, 2025, 09:59:42 AM
How about Bruce Dickinson?

I know who that is.  I bet only a few might.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2025, 10:00:37 AM
too much Iron for me
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Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2025, 10:24:27 AM
There are plenty of good frontmen. I don't think Dickinson is a contender for best frontman.

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Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2025, 10:31:51 AM
Bruce Springsteen is good
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2025, 10:40:04 AM
Bruce Springsteen is good
Blech.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2025, 10:50:38 AM
hah, better than Geddy Lee
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Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2025, 10:51:29 AM
There are plenty of good frontmen. I don't think Dickinson is a contender for best frontman.


Elvis
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 07, 2025, 10:55:55 AM
Elvis
Austin Butler 
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Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2025, 10:56:20 AM
Frontman implies a member of a group.  Elvis was a solo artist.

I don't love most of Springsteen's music but I do think he's a good frontman. If you consider the E Street Band to be his group.

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Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2025, 11:09:40 AM
Elvis ALWAYS stood out front on the stage

so, that leaves Michael out too
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Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2025, 11:09:48 AM
David Coverdale??
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Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2025, 11:16:31 AM
Elvis ALWAYS stood out front on the stage

so, that leaves Michael out too
Yes he stood out front.  Because he was a solo act.  He didn't have a band, he rotated through various musicians for recording and touring.

Michael Jackson? Yeah, he was a solo act, too.

Prince was the frontman for the Revolution.  A pretty good one, IMO.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2025, 11:18:03 AM
hah, better than Geddy Lee
At nothing.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2025, 11:19:20 AM
I love Rush but I don't think Geddy Lee was much of a frontman.  That's definitely more of an ensemble act IMO.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 07, 2025, 11:22:32 AM
Agreed. Geddy was not flashy at all. Too busy making great music.
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Post by: Riffraft on February 07, 2025, 11:25:12 AM
Saw Sammy at Cabo Wabo a few years ago. He and Michael Anthony kicked ass on that stage.
saw the Who about a year ago and Roger Daltrey's voice was a strong as ever.
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Post by: Mdot21 on February 07, 2025, 12:05:40 PM
Yes he stood out front.  Because he was a solo act.  He didn't have a band, he rotated through various musicians for recording and touring.

Michael Jackson? Yeah, he was a solo act, too.

Prince was the frontman for the Revolution.  A pretty good one, IMO.
not initially. he started out as the frontman of his family band the Jackson 5 of course and hit big as like a 9-10 year old child. 

Michael Jackson was an insanely talented vocalist and performer as an adult- but when he was a child on Motown singing soul music- that was probably when he was at his greatest as a vocalist. To be like 10 years old and to be able to sing like that....it's fucking unbelievable honestly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9U9A4_cgyI 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2025, 12:07:09 PM
Michael Jackson was a solo act.

The Jackson 5 was a group.

I suppose you could say he was the frontboy of that act. :)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 07, 2025, 12:08:22 PM
Either way, we were discussing frontmen for ROCK bands, and neither the Jackson Five or his solo career were anything like that. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2025, 12:10:11 PM
Well, Eddie played the guitar solo for Beat It... but yeah fair point.  I brought up Michael Jackson, my bad.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Mdot21 on February 07, 2025, 12:12:35 PM
Either way, we were discussing frontmen for ROCK bands, and neither the Jackson Five or his solo career were anything like that.
Michael Jackson's solo career his music was almost genreless and well he appeared to be genderless
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Mdot21 on February 07, 2025, 12:16:04 PM
Well, Eddie played the guitar solo for Beat It... but yeah fair point.  I brought up Michael Jackson, my bad.
I believe he actually did it for free too as a favor to Quincy Jones who I'm sure most hardcore musicians back in that day idolized. 

Probably had no idea that song would go on to be one of the biggest of all-time and the album it was on would go on to be the greatest selling album in the history of the world. That album probably has sold in excess of 100 million units worldwide and generated billions of dollars. Eddie probably should've asked for some royalty fees.....probably cost himself millions of dollars there. Not like he needs the money though- he's probably already rich af but still- homie left tons of money on the table there. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 07, 2025, 12:17:34 PM
hah, better than Geddy Lee

False.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2025, 12:24:23 PM
Yeah I don't think Eddie was hurting for money.  There's something to be said for the goodwill built up when artists help one another.  And "the Q" was legendary, I think we might be surprised at how many hardcore rock musicians respected him.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: SFBadger96 on February 07, 2025, 01:31:47 PM
I know who that is.  I bet only a few might.
More cowbell?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 07, 2025, 01:37:13 PM
More cowbell?

(https://i.imgur.com/pTiN9vP.png)
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 07, 2025, 05:09:44 PM
I believe he actually did it for free too as a favor to Quincy Jones who I'm sure most hardcore musicians back in that day idolized.

Probably had no idea that song would go on to be one of the biggest of all-time and the album it was on would go on to be the greatest selling album in the history of the world. That album probably has sold in excess of 100 million units worldwide and generated billions of dollars. Eddie probably should've asked for some royalty fees.....probably cost himself millions of dollars there. Not like he needs the money though- he's probably already rich af but still- homie left tons of money on the table there.

Well, yeah, dead guys don't usually need money.

I would imagine he recorded that solo as a union session musician member, in which case the standard deal is you charge an exorbitant rate for the session block, and then whatever happens, happens.  If a song flops, hey, you were paid well for your time.  If a song becomes legendary and generates a bazillion dollars, well, you were paid well for your time.  Much of the work on that album, and that song in particular (minus the EVH solo) was done by the guys from Toto.  It was the same gig for them.  If a song featured "Toto" (I don't think any ever did), it would've been some sort of artist collaboration and royalties would be split.  But when the individual guys worked as session musicians, they just got what they got like everybody else. 

As Steve Lukather, the guitarist on the track doing everything but EVH's solo, and Quincy himself tells the story, Quincy had decided to go for some rock credibility to get MJ some interest with the rock listeners, and he wanted Eddie to deliver that.  But he didn't know Eddie so he had to cold-call him.  He said he was Quincy Jones and was producing the new MJ album and he wanted him (Eddie) to play on a track.  Eddie told him to GTFO and hung up on him.  Stunned, Quincy called back....and got the same response.  On the third try he understood Eddie didn't believe the real Quincy Jones was calling him.  He thought he was being pranked.  So Quincy called Lukather, who did a lot of work for Quincy back in those days, who knew Eddie very well, and told him what was happening.  After getting done laughing, Lukather called up EVH and told him Quincy Jones has been trying to call you, so you need to stop telling him to f*** off.  Eddie claims he turned beet red and sheepishly called Quincy Jones back, full of apology. 
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Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2025, 05:18:46 PM
The Toto guys did studio work for practically anyone and everyone recording in LA back then.  They're the sound behind almost all of the yacht rock music recorded during that era.

There's an interesting documentary about yacht rock on one of the streaming services, forget which one.  It was pretty fun.

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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 07, 2025, 06:29:34 PM
Yeah I don't think Eddie was hurting for money.  There's something to be said for the goodwill built up when artists help one another.  And "the Q" was legendary, I think we might be surprised at how many hardcore rock musicians respected him.

Did Eddie Money have a band?
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Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2025, 09:07:15 PM
don't think so, but Eddie $$$ wasn't special as a front man
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 07, 2025, 09:08:14 PM
Rod Stewart???

Billy Joel???

Elton John??
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 07, 2025, 11:12:20 PM
Rod Stewart???

Billy Joel???

Elton John??

Solo act

Solo act

Solo act
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 08, 2025, 12:59:30 PM
The Toto guys did studio work for practically anyone and everyone recording in LA back then.  They're the sound behind almost all of the yacht rock music recorded during that era.

Yeah.  And not just yacht-rock either.  They were on all the yacht rock albums, but they littered the R&B albums as well, and to a lesser-but-still-heavy extent, pop and rock albums too.  

I met the surviving members in 2017 and I really wanted to ask why the second bass player appeared on so few albums (that I'm aware of).  It always mystified me....he was as good at his instrument as any of them, and was as vital as anyone to the Toto sound that producers and artists were clamoring for.  And he did do session work.  Just that his credits are very short compared to the other guys, who literally appeared on thousands of tracks each.  I don't know if he just chose not to cram his schedule like they did when he wasn't touring, or if he just wasn't as in demand, or some other reason I can't think of.  But they're like family, and in one of them's case, a literal brother, and I just couldn't formulate the question in a way that I was sure wouldn't aggravate them.  Like, I wouldn't have wanted it to come off like "Was there something wrong with him that he didn't book as many sessions as y'all did?"  So I didn't ask.   
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 08, 2025, 01:06:13 PM
Did Eddie Money have a band?

He did, though they were a paid backup band for a solo artist, and his lineup changed over the years.  It sometimes included Randy Jackson on bass, the guy who was a judge on American Idol for a long time.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on February 08, 2025, 03:51:18 PM
Peter Wolf
Woofa Goofa Mama Trutha,great live album I dunno '76-'77 somewhere near there. Saw them touring after "Love Stinks" came
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on February 08, 2025, 03:53:54 PM
Blech.
Steve Perry ,ya sure-right-whatever :043:
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on February 08, 2025, 03:55:33 PM
Elvis ALWAYS stood out front on the stage
Well until he crapped out
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2025, 03:58:15 PM
Woofa Goofa Mama Trutha,great live album I dunno '76-'77 somewhere near there. Saw them touring after "Love Stinks" came

yup, saw em in Omaha in the early 80's

Peter grew up in the circus and was a helluva entertainer

put on a great show that night
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on February 08, 2025, 04:12:55 PM
Steve Perry has an incredible voice. 
Yep.
"Oh Sheri" or "Backstreets" Puhleeeze
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 08, 2025, 04:41:49 PM
his voice was SO good, he was kicked out of the band
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 09, 2025, 10:44:05 AM
Yeah and they had so many hugely successful albums after that... :93:
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 09, 2025, 11:13:21 AM
Toto's Africa is one of those songs I've heard so many times without seeking it out that I really hate it.  Same with any John Secada song from the late 80s/early 90s.  Whether it was on the radio multiple times on car trips to grandma's house or whatever.....never again.

One huge plus kids these days don't have to put up with are radio DJs being made to play new songs multiple times an hour until they're driven into the ground. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 09, 2025, 11:40:34 AM
perhaps Perry was the writer

Journey is one of those 80's soft rock, pop, for girls streams that was just too soft for me

it's a channel changer every time
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 09, 2025, 01:18:00 PM
no super bowl gameday thread???

I suppose I'd better get my Super Bowl chili in the pot so I can try to enjoy the Husker hoops home game vs the evil Buckeyes at 1pm

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on February 09, 2025, 05:07:18 PM
no super bowl gameday thread???

I suppose I'd better get my Super Bowl chili in the pot so I can try to enjoy the Husker hoops home game vs the evil Buckeyes at 1pm
Bastages
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: longhorn320 on February 09, 2025, 06:14:33 PM
no super bowl gameday thread???

I suppose I'd better get my Super Bowl chili in the pot so I can try to enjoy the Husker hoops home game vs the evil Buckeyes at 1pm


too political
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 10, 2025, 09:44:00 AM
apparently, like me, you don't have the power to delete political posts
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: longhorn320 on February 10, 2025, 10:25:22 AM
apparently, like me, you don't have the power to delete political posts
too many snowflakes out there
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 10, 2025, 11:06:55 AM
The Toto guys did studio work for practically anyone and everyone recording in LA back then.  They're the sound behind almost all of the yacht rock music recorded during that era.

I thought of this and lolz'd last night.....the very first bumper music that FOX used was Boz Scaggs' Lido Shuffle.  Played by Toto's drummer, first bassist, and keyboard player.  And their guitar player did the tour, but not the Silk Degrees album the song comes from.  

That album is actually why Columbia Records got interested in their band and decided to sign them.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 11, 2025, 10:34:59 AM
Petition to re-open the other thread.  I have a few things I'd like to discuss with the group, that aren't overtly political but nonetheless somewhat political.  And I don't want to post in Area 51, and I don't think it needs it's own thread.  I didn't even think the other thread ran off the rails.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 11, 2025, 10:48:25 AM
IMHO this place has been a lot nicer without that thread... 

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2025, 10:51:22 AM
I can ignore other threads
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 11, 2025, 11:17:51 AM
Call it the political shit-posting thread or something.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on February 11, 2025, 11:45:36 AM
Quite a bit of the "other thread" was interesting.  I'll complement SFBadger again for his perspective without all the emotional silliness.

I can reopen it if folks will agree to avoid the trash baiting that some would do (maybe including me at times).
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2025, 11:55:29 AM
I'm fine with it, but I'm not fine with any personal attacks. Those would be immediately deleted and a time out issued for the offender(s).
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 11, 2025, 11:55:49 AM
In other news...

Alligator handler bitten during feeding show at Gatorama (https://winknews.com/2025/02/11/gatorama-owner-bitten-during-alligator-feeding-show/)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 11, 2025, 12:00:48 PM
Petition to ban the Aggie for petitioning to open the other thread. 

Can't take an Aggie anywhere.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2025, 12:33:08 PM
I'll sign it;)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 11, 2025, 03:42:02 PM
Not that my vote counts for much, but I think this particular part of the board is better without the places that thread inevitably seemed to go.

Perhaps an effort could be made in area 51 to reconstitute it for those interested in partaking. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on February 11, 2025, 03:44:12 PM
Perhaps an effort could be made in area 51 to reconstitute it for those interested in partaking.
Reconstitute it?  In what way?  It's currently active, with relatively few participants.

A few posters here have given it a shot, most have departed in a few days or so.  MDT has been posting there of late.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2025, 04:21:14 PM
Peter Wolf
https://youtu.be/QDBoPLCeMKA
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 11, 2025, 04:39:48 PM
Perhaps an effort could be made in area 51 to reconstitute it for those interested in partaking.
Yeah, the A51 section is like the political debates we used to have in here, if you removed all civility and about 50 IQ points from everyone participating. 

And that's saying something, given the incivility in here a lot of the time. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on February 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PM
I'm fine with it, but I'm not fine with any personal attacks. Those would be immediately deleted and a time out issued for the offender(s).
Let me know when it starts,any bets on who the 1st offender will be? Or how many times the rules of conduct are transgressed by said reprobate :bluegrab:
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 11, 2025, 05:32:30 PM
In other news...

Alligator handler bitten during feeding show at Gatorama (https://winknews.com/2025/02/11/gatorama-owner-bitten-during-alligator-feeding-show/)
This is why women have a longer average lifespan than men.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 11, 2025, 07:47:27 PM
Let me know when it starts,any bets on who the 1st offender will be? Or how many times the rules of conduct are transgressed by said reprobate :bluegrab:
One could argue you are, right here, with this post.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 11, 2025, 08:16:45 PM
https://youtu.be/qw6aWbXL5Mc
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 12, 2025, 07:36:09 AM
Not that my vote counts for much, but I think this particular part of the board is better without the places that thread inevitably seemed to go.

Perhaps an effort could be made in area 51 to reconstitute it for those interested in partaking.
The thing I don’t like about Area 51 is there entire CFB 51 existence is all about politics and the like. At least with the threads here we switch back and forth from chilli, football, technology, light politics, and everything else under the sun. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 12, 2025, 08:37:48 AM
The thing I don’t like about Area 51 is there entire CFB 51 existence is all about politics and the like. At least with the threads here we switch back and forth from chilli, football, technology, light politics, and everything else under the sun.
When I read that, I think of a poor metaphor. 

Fertilizer has many great uses, but I don’t grind it in with my burger. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2025, 10:01:47 AM
The thing I don’t like about Area 51 is there entire CFB 51 existence is all about politics and the like. At least with the threads here we switch back and forth from chilli, football, technology, light politics, and everything else under the sun.
then don't go there

no sense soiling a decent thread of beer, chilli, football, technology, and everything else under the sun with politics
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 12, 2025, 10:25:07 AM
then don't go there

no sense soiling a decent thread of beer, chilli, football, technology, and everything else under the sun with politics
Thank you, I don't post in Area 51 (or very rarely post).  And we have like 2900 pages of very little politics. and just a few with them.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on February 12, 2025, 10:56:50 AM
I like this thread better than the other

but, I can enjoy both for what they are

scrolling by the posts that I don't enjoy helps

here and there
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 08:58:40 AM
I like this thread better than the other

but, I can enjoy both for what they are

scrolling by the posts that I don't enjoy helps

here and there
I'm sorry, did you say something?
:)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 13, 2025, 09:16:36 AM
Had a weird moment last week. 

Was watching a friend’s dogs at their house. They had left some stuff outside and it started raining. Am I automatically expected to drag all that stuff in? Or should I assume that if you leave something outside you’re gonna tell me if you want it brought in? 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 09:20:46 AM
Yep, that's weird history.

You were there to watch a dog, not keep house.

Now, if there was something electronic or sensitive to water, I'd have probably brought it in for them.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 09:34:44 AM
Had a weird moment last week.

Was watching a friend’s dogs at their house. They had left some stuff outside and it started raining. Am I automatically expected to drag all that stuff in? Or should I assume that if you leave something outside you’re gonna tell me if you want it brought in?
It just depends.  How much trouble would it be to drag it in?  Would they do the same for you?  Does it rain very often there ( I assume it does).  Is it something where it didn't rain for a long while, and stuff got left out and then forgot about?  Happens to me sometimes when we go 1-3 months without any rain.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Mdot21 on February 13, 2025, 09:45:25 AM
so in other news....Patrick Mahomes father Pat Sr and former MLB pitcher John Rocker are apparently going to fight each other sponsored by Barstool and all proceeds are going to charity. Feel bad for Mahomes, his family are whack jobs. 

https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1889752563223761132
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 13, 2025, 09:47:02 AM


It just depends.  How much trouble would it be to drag it in?  Would they do the same for you?  Does it rain very often there ( I assume it does).  Is it something where it didn't rain for a long while, and stuff got left out and then forgot about?  Happens to me sometimes when we go 1-3 months without any rain.  
Not an unbelievable amount of trouble, but it would sort of require me going through a bunch of stuff and trying to decide if it mattered.

Rain was possibly predictable enough. They didn’t mention anything upon returning, but it did seem like a cast iron was taking a beating out there. 

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 13, 2025, 09:48:15 AM
Yep, that's weird history.

You were there to watch a dog, not keep house.

Now, if there was something electronic or sensitive to water, I'd have probably brought it in for them.
It wasn’t. It was a bunch of stuff that probably wasn’t gonna get destroyed by the rain, but also probably didn’t need to be out there.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 09:52:41 AM
Yeah I'd probably pull in anything electrical/electronic, or that might otherwise be severely damaged by rain. 

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 10:47:11 AM
Since late last year, I've been fasting one day a week.  I was pushing 270 (268-272).  I am tall, over 6'2, but I'm still pretty heavy even for my size.  About to be 50, so I decided to do something about it.  

Anyways, one day a week (usually Tuesday but sometimes Thursday) I will fast from the time I get up until I wake up the next day, so roughly ~30 hours or so.  It was working pretty good I think.  I didn't really do much the first couple of weeks, but I started weighing myself weekly in January.  So I got down to 261, 8-10 lbs down.  I was pretty happy about that.  So last week, I guess I overdid the superbowl and this week I weighed in at about 265.  Not too happy about that.  Literally gained 4 lbs in a week just from a little extra chips/cheese/alcohol during the Big Game.  

I don't really exercise but at times I have a physically demanding job.  I consider myself in pretty decent shape, I often climb very tall stairs at work in an industrial facility, 80-120 feet in height pretty easily.  I have days, like today where I will sit in this office all day and do nothing physically, and then this weekend I will be drilling wells and doing actual physical work.  

I don't really do any kind of diet  other than my one day fast, but some people I know will do the fast after a certain time and had good results.  I do eat way to much fast food, but my wife usually cooks dinner and we eat a good amount of green vegetables at each meal.  

Just curious about the rest of you and what you've done to drop the pounds.  I don't really care to or want any help in the form of ozempic or the rest, I feel like bad stuff may come out of this scheme in the future.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 10:57:19 AM
I've lost 60+ pounds since November 2023.

Portion control, no eating after 4PM (generally), no eating unless hungry (but not too hungry - that's bad) and using a timer when eating. Eat for 10 minutes, stop for 5 minutes, continue eating if truly hungry. Healthy exercise.

Try this.

Home - Wondr (https://wondrhealth.com/)

It works.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 13, 2025, 11:00:59 AM
I’ve never been great at dropping weight, but one potential option would be to pack a lunch with lighter fare. Lean meats, fish, vegetables, minimal carbs.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 11:16:39 AM
I've lost 60+ pounds since November 2023.

Portion control, no eating after 4PM (generally), no eating unless hungry (but not too hungry - that's bad) and using a timer when eating. Eat for 10 minutes, stop for 5 minutes, continue eating if truly hungry. Healthy exercise.

Try this.

Home - Wondr (https://wondrhealth.com/)

It works.
60 lbs is tremendous.  What were you up to, and how do you feel?  

That would put me about 210, haven't been at that weight since probably 2010 or maybe earlier.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 11:22:40 AM
Since late last year, I've been fasting one day a week.  I was pushing 270 (268-272).  I am tall, over 6'2, but I'm still pretty heavy even for my size.  About to be 50, so I decided to do something about it. 

Anyways, one day a week (usually Tuesday but sometimes Thursday) I will fast from the time I get up until I wake up the next day, so roughly ~30 hours or so.  It was working pretty good I think.  I didn't really do much the first couple of weeks, but I started weighing myself weekly in January.  So I got down to 261, 8-10 lbs down.  I was pretty happy about that.  So last week, I guess I overdid the superbowl and this week I weighed in at about 265.  Not too happy about that.  Literally gained 4 lbs in a week just from a little extra chips/cheese/alcohol during the Big Game. 

I don't really exercise but at times I have a physically demanding job.  I consider myself in pretty decent shape, I often climb very tall stairs at work in an industrial facility, 80-120 feet in height pretty easily.  I have days, like today where I will sit in this office all day and do nothing physically, and then this weekend I will be drilling wells and doing actual physical work. 

I don't really do any kind of diet  other than my one day fast, but some people I know will do the fast after a certain time and had good results.  I do eat way to much fast food, but my wife usually cooks dinner and we eat a good amount of green vegetables at each meal. 

Just curious about the rest of you and what you've done to drop the pounds.  I don't really care to or want any help in the form of ozempic or the rest, I feel like bad stuff may come out of this scheme in the future. 
I'm with you on the Ozempic/etc. I think there might be some people for whom their weight is at a point where it's necessary just as a triage, but I feel like we're going to find out 10 years from now that there are a lot of terrible side effects we didn't know about...

For me, I really started working on this about 2 1/2 years ago (Jun 2022). Prior to that, I was pretty sedentary. I had a gym membership, so basically the only real exercise I got was walking the dog or playing golf. I was like you in that I didn't really think I was in terrible shape--it's not like walking 18 holes of golf would cause me trouble, and I had done a lot of hiking prior to 2021 and would do 8-10 mile hikes with decent elevation gain and be fine. But... I wasn't where I was capable of being.

At that point at 6'5" I was hovering between 275-280 lbs. I'm a muscular guy, so I wasn't some fatty at that weight. Going back a few years my PCP had one of those "InBody" body composition scanners, and flat out told me that at my muscle mass, I can just ignore BMI as being useless. But even then, I was definitely bigger than I needed to be, and my body fat % was definitely a lot higher than I'd want it (which he also told me). Nothing had materially improved between that discussion with my doctor and Jun 2022.

So, we bought a Peloton. I mostly only cycled for the first 8 months, which dropped me to 260 lbs. At that point (Feb 2023), I started adding in weight training, and in the 2 years since, I now hover between 255-260 lol. But my body composition has drastically changed, so I know I've added muscle and dropped body fat. I'm nowhere near "six pack" territory yet, but I actually have defined abs... So although the number on the scale sounds really high to most people, I'm actually not THAT far off an ideal weight for my muscle mass.

For me, this is what I do:


Noticeably absent from that list? Diet. I'm burning enough calories that I know I need to consume enough calories to fuel this. If I was not seeing visible improvement in my body composition, I'd probably have tried to drop pounds. But for now, my progress is going the right direction and I know I've dropped body fat % significantly, so I'm not trying to eat less.

I should probably not drink so much beer though...


IMHO diet might be a good thing for you, but I'd say not to neglect your body. For me, one of the things that has been difficult is watching my parents age. My mom has had cardiac issues going back decades from being overweight and smoking until her mid-40s. She dropped the weight but at 82 years old, she's just NOT in good shape. I'm actually going to see her in a few weekends because she [again] went into the hospital and had to get a catheter and balloon to inflate the blocked double-stented(!) artery... She's a tough woman but I feel like if she's got 9 lives, she's already on 8... My dad is morbidly obese. The last time we were there, we went to Costco with him and he was getting winded just walking around the store.

The thing is, they were probably a lot like where we were in their mid-40s. Overweight. Too sedentary. But they did absolutely nothing about it, and now they are where they are. I don't want to end up like that when I'm 80. They're not capable of basically anything at their age. I want to be capable so I can enjoy my grandkids. And the longer I wait to start, the harder it will be.

So if you're almost 50, the best time to start getting your body right is now. And that's not just shedding a few pounds, which is of course important. It's also getting the physical work in to try to retain as much capability as you can as the inevitable decline starts. Father Time is undefeated, but if you put in the work now, you might at least go 12 rounds with him before the KO.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 11:36:59 AM
I'm with you on the Ozempic/etc. I think there might be some people for whom their weight is at a point where it's necessary just as a triage, but I feel like we're going to find out 10 years from now that there are a lot of terrible side effects we didn't know about...

For me, I really started working on this about 2 1/2 years ago (Jun 2022). Prior to that, I was pretty sedentary. I had a gym membership, so basically the only real exercise I got was walking the dog or playing golf. I was like you in that I didn't really think I was in terrible shape--it's not like walking 18 holes of golf would cause me trouble, and I had done a lot of hiking prior to 2021 and would do 8-10 mile hikes with decent elevation gain and be fine. But... I wasn't where I was capable of being.

At that point at 6'5" I was hovering between 275-280 lbs. I'm a muscular guy, so I wasn't some fatty at that weight. Going back a few years my PCP had one of those "InBody" body composition scanners, and flat out told me that at my muscle mass, I can just ignore BMI as being useless. But even then, I was definitely bigger than I needed to be, and my body fat % was definitely a lot higher than I'd want it (which he also told me). Nothing had materially improved between that discussion with my doctor and Jun 2022.

So, we bought a Peloton. I mostly only cycled for the first 8 months, which dropped me to 260 lbs. At that point (Feb 2023), I started adding in weight training, and in the 2 years since, I now hover between 255-260 lol. But my body composition has drastically changed, so I know I've added muscle and dropped body fat. I'm nowhere near "six pack" territory yet, but I actually have defined abs... So although the number on the scale sounds really high to most people, I'm actually not THAT far off an ideal weight for my muscle mass.

For me, this is what I do:

  • Do something Peloton EVERY day. This is important to me from a habit perspective. Initially when I didn't want to do anything, I would just do a 10 minute stretch. Starting in 2024, I committed to doing daily core. So every day I will do at least a 10 minute core strength workout. For this year, I also committed to stretching daily, since I started neglecting it last year.
  • Cycling is generally 3-5 days per week depending on the week. I generally am doing 45- or 60-minute classes, although some days it's a 30, and some days it's 75/90/120. This is to keep my cardio in good shape.
  • Strength is the same. I try to work through the body. Lower body strength is typically about three times every two weeks--if I wait too long, i.e. more than a week between workouts, I get horribly sore for 2+ days after working out. Upper body is probably about the same, but it sometimes is more "classes" if I break it up. I.e. Peloton has "upper body" workouts, but they also have "chest & back" and "arms and shoulders". Sometimes I'll do a longer "upper body" if I know I'm not doing anything the next day, or I'll do C&B one day and then A&S the next if I know I've got time.
  • Peloton has an annual minute challenge, that I use to keep myself on track. In 2023 and 2024, I committed to an annual goal of 15K minutes, which is averaging about 41 per day. Sometimes I go over, sometimes under, but I keep track of where I am to make sure I can stay in that range. For 2025, I have increased that to 20K minutes, or about 55 per day. (Note: this includes stretching, so it's not ALL hardcore stuff.)

Noticeably absent from that list? Diet. I'm burning enough calories that I know I need to consume enough calories to fuel this. If I was not seeing visible improvement in my body composition, I'd probably have tried to drop pounds. But for now, my progress is going the right direction and I know I've dropped body fat % significantly, so I'm not trying to eat less.

I should probably not drink so much beer though...


IMHO diet might be a good thing for you, but I'd say not to neglect your body. For me, one of the things that has been difficult is watching my parents age. My mom has had cardiac issues going back decades from being overweight and smoking until her mid-40s. She dropped the weight but at 82 years old, she's just NOT in good shape. I'm actually going to see her in a few weekends because she [again] went into the hospital and had to get a catheter and balloon to inflate the blocked double-stented(!) artery... She's a tough woman but I feel like if she's got 9 lives, she's already on 8... My dad is morbidly obese. The last time we were there, we went to Costco with him and he was getting winded just walking around the store.

The thing is, they were probably a lot like where we were in their mid-40s. Overweight. Too sedentary. But they did absolutely nothing about it, and now they are where they are. I don't want to end up like that when I'm 80. They're not capable of basically anything at their age. I want to be capable so I can enjoy my grandkids. And the longer I wait to start, the harder it will be.

So if you're almost 50, the best time to start getting your body right is now. And that's not just shedding a few pounds, which is of course important. It's also getting the physical work in to try to retain as much capability as you can as the inevitable decline starts. Father Time is undefeated, but if you put in the work now, you might at least go 12 rounds with him before the KO.
Explain to me how the Peloton works like I've never seen one before (I haven't ).  I just assumed it was a fancy stationary bike that connects to the internet and has some kind of screen where you can cyber-cycle with other people.  How do you target daily core etc on the bike?  Is there another machine you are using?  

As I stated, at times I do a tremendous amount of physical work, just not everyday.  I haven't worked out on any kind of regular basis since I was in my 20's.  We do actually have two gyms near our house, they seem pretty active.  I just don't consider myself any kind of a gym person really, but maybe I can change that.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 11:40:41 AM
BTW, as somebody who is really tall (6-2 or 6-3 depending on whose measuring) 6-5 is super tall.  I never realized how different it is for other people who are average or even short but being well over 6' is so different in good and bad ways.  One of the drivers that makes me want to lose weight is the fact that I can't find any clothes that really fit good.  2X is now too small, 3X is too big.  It's not so much how fat I am around the waist really, it's more like arm length and the length of the shirts.  Everything tends to go just below my belt or be so big it looks like I'm wearing a tent.  I wore 38 in the waist forever on pants, and a few years ago finally had to go to 40 in the waist, but in truth a lot of my pants are too big and I have to wear a belt or they will slip down.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 11:41:43 AM
Explain to me how the Peloton works like I've never seen one before (I haven't ).  I just assumed it was a fancy stationary bike that connects to the internet and has some kind of screen where you can cyber-cycle with other people.  How do you target daily core etc on the bike?  Is there another machine you are using? 

As I stated, at times I do a tremendous amount of physical work, just not everyday.  I haven't worked out on any kind of regular basis since I was in my 20's.  We do actually have two gyms near our house, they seem pretty active.  I just don't consider myself any kind of a gym person really, but maybe I can change that
I think it's a must as you get older. It's easier to lose muscle than fat.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 13, 2025, 11:47:40 AM
BTW, as somebody who is really tall (6-2 or 6-3 depending on whose measuring) 6-5 is super tall.  I never realized how different it is for other people who are average or even short but being well over 6' is so different in good and bad ways.  One of the drivers that makes me want to lose weight is the fact that I can't find any clothes that really fit good.  2X is now too small, 3X is too big.  It's not so much how fat I am around the waist really, it's more like arm length and the length of the shirts.  Everything tends to go just below my belt or be so big it looks like I'm wearing a tent.  I wore 38 in the waist forever on pants, and a few years ago finally had to go to 40 in the waist, but in truth a lot of my pants are too big and I have to wear a belt or they will slip down. 

Same issue for short guys -- I am one.  :)

I either look like I am trying to be tough guy in a tight shirt, or the alternative is --- appearing to be wearing a nightgown, or daddy's shirt.

I am fairly thick, athletic thick (shoulders, back, and bi's and tri's), but the belly has gotten too big over the last few years.  Trying to get down to 180 from 200.

Leans meats, seafood, and portion control on food. Black coffee, water only (occasional alcohol).  Doing some aerobic training with the wife 4 days per week as well.  I've shaved off 9 pounds in 3 weeks. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 13, 2025, 11:50:15 AM
Explain to me how the Peloton works like I've never seen one before (I haven't ).  I just assumed it was a fancy stationary bike that connects to the internet and has some kind of screen where you can cyber-cycle with other people.  How do you target daily core etc on the bike?  Is there another machine you are using? 

As I stated, at times I do a tremendous amount of physical work, just not everyday.  I haven't worked out on any kind of regular basis since I was in my 20's.  We do actually have two gyms near our house, they seem pretty active.  I just don't consider myself any kind of a gym person really, but maybe I can change that. 
The company offers a bunch of workout plans and guidance and stuff. That includes strength, training classes and other stuff.

Brad correct me, but I think they offer some stuff for meal planning as well?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 11:51:26 AM
Explain to me how the Peloton works like I've never seen one before (I haven't ).  I just assumed it was a fancy stationary bike that connects to the internet and has some kind of screen where you can cyber-cycle with other people.  How do you target daily core etc on the bike?  Is there another machine you are using? 

As I stated, at times I do a tremendous amount of physical work, just not everyday.  I haven't worked out on any kind of regular basis since I was in my 20's.  We do actually have two gyms near our house, they seem pretty active.  I just don't consider myself any kind of a gym person really, but maybe I can change that. 
LOL I just sent you a referral link for the app and mentioned that most people think Peloton is just a stationary bike... It's that, and a lot more. 

Peloton includes classes in a TON of modalities. It includes cycling / rowing / treadmill. There is a whole bunch of strength stuff, including core strength, pilates, barre, and weights. There's stretching, yoga, meditation. And it can include things outdoors, so if you wanted to do an audio-only instructor led outdoor walk or run, that's available. 

With the app, you don't need to have a Peloton bike, rower, or treadmill to access the classes. There are a lot of people who use the app with third-party equipment. And if you don't want equipment classes at all (meaning no cycling/rowing/treadmill classes, but want everything else), there's a slightly less expensive app tier. 

We bought the Bike+ not really thinking about much except the cycling. As mentioned, I barely did anything outside the cycling classes for the first 8 months. But it's the stuff BEYOND the cycling that has really changed me... 

You can do the app on a phone, tablet, or PC via a browser. I personally do most of my non-cycling workouts on the big screen TV in my living room via the Peloton Roku app. 

For me, I had a gym membership, but never went. It's never been that I'm lazy. I'm not. It's that I have a very difficult time overcoming "friction." The idea of getting dressed in my gym clothes, getting a gym bag and a towel, going over there and trying to figure out not only what exercises I was going to do but also sit there running my own program, only get ONE workout a day because I certainly wasn't going to go to the gym multiple times... It was too much friction, so I never did it. 

With this, the fact that I don't have to leave the house is really key. And that means that I can break up my workouts however I want during a day. I WFH most days (which helps immensely), but that means that if I'm sick of dealing with whatever work I'm doing and I want to throw in a 10 minute core class at 10:18 AM, I can do it. I can then go cycle during my lunch hour. Maybe hit weights and then do a stretch to finish things off in the mid afternoon. I can do whatever I want, entirely on my schedule, which means I'm actually motivated to do it. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 11:52:08 AM
Bwar, does your employer know you moonlight as a Peloton salesman? ;)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 11:56:52 AM
Same issue for short guys -- I am one.  :)

I either look like I am trying to be tough guy in a tight shirt, or the alternative is --- appearing to be wearing a nightgown, or daddy's shirt.

I am fairly thick, athletic thick (shoulders, back, and bi's and tri's), but the belly has gotten too big over the last few years.  Trying to get down to 180 from 200.

Leans meats, seafood, and portion control on food. Black coffee, water only (occasional alcohol).  Doing some aerobic training with the wife 4 days per week as well.  I've shaved off 9 pounds in 3 weeks.
I never even really thought about people as being short unless they were really short, like under 5' short just because I'm usually a good bit taller than the average person I deal with on a daily basis.  And I don't mean this in a mean way, it's just that almost everybody I meet is much shorter than me, or slightly shorter so I just don't consider somebody who is 5-2 to be short.  But occasionally I will meet somebody who is much taller than me, like BRAD at 6-5 and I think, this must be what I feel like to other people.  
On the bad side, riding in planes, smaller cars or really any cars, public transportation, the whole 9 can be really uncomfortable at times.  The world is not very accommodating for tall people.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 11:58:05 AM
The company offers a bunch of workout plans and guidance and stuff. That includes strength, training classes and other stuff.

Brad correct me, but I think they offer some stuff for meal planning as well?
One thing that Peloton generally eschews in their community is a lot of focus on the diet / weight loss thing. They more play up the "training" / "athlete" aspect. Which I think speaks to a lot of people who don't want to be preached at for being overweight. I'm not sensitive to any of that, so it doesn't matter to me, but I understand why they do it. So if you're looking for meal planning, you're not getting it there. 

They've been rolling out some more customized guidance, but it's pretty weak at the moment. The big thing for me is that they simply have a massive library of classes, and having an instructor-led workout keeps me much more engaged than I would be just sitting on a stationary bike or walking on the treadmill at the gym listening to music or watching the captioned ESPN talking heads, or going from weight machine to machine trying to figure out how many reps and how many sets of whatever that I want to do. 

One note: another misconception that most people have is that it's all about live workouts... In 2 1/2 years, I've done live rides maybe 20-25 times in over 500 rides. I typically only do them on a milestone ride (i.e. ride in multiple of 50 or 100) or my birthday, because the instructors will--if you're lucky--shout out your leaderboard name for the milestone or birthday. Other than that, I ride on demand. That's where the giant library of classes come in--I'm not on ANYONE'S schedule except my own. Which works so much better for me than if I knew I had to be there prompt and ready for a class exactly at 11 AM or something like that. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 12:02:18 PM
I never even really thought about people as being short unless they were really short, like under 5' short just because I'm usually a good bit taller than the average person I deal with on a daily basis.  And I don't mean this in a mean way, it's just that almost everybody I meet is much shorter than me, or slightly shorter so I just don't consider somebody who is 5-2 to be short.  But occasionally I will meet somebody who is much taller than me, like BRAD at 6-5 and I think, this must be what I feel like to other people. 
On the bad side, riding in planes, smaller cars or really any cars, public transportation, the whole 9 can be really uncomfortable at times.  The world is not very accommodating for tall people. 
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Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 12:03:27 PM
BTW, as somebody who is really tall (6-2 or 6-3 depending on whose measuring) 6-5 is super tall.  I never realized how different it is for other people who are average or even short but being well over 6' is so different in good and bad ways.  One of the drivers that makes me want to lose weight is the fact that I can't find any clothes that really fit good.  2X is now too small, 3X is too big.  It's not so much how fat I am around the waist really, it's more like arm length and the length of the shirts.  Everything tends to go just below my belt or be so big it looks like I'm wearing a tent.  I wore 38 in the waist forever on pants, and a few years ago finally had to go to 40 in the waist, but in truth a lot of my pants are too big and I have to wear a belt or they will slip down. 

Yeah, the world is NOT designed around people like us. The funny thing is that I wear XL in shirts.

Even crazier is that when I got back into golf and was bigger, my wife bought me a bunch of Callaway golf polos. They were all XL, but the fit of them was a little bit more, well, executive fit. As I've trimmed down, I actually gave all of those away to my FIL, who is much shorter than me, but also wears XL. It seemed silly to give away clothes that were "too big" for me to someone smaller than me... 

So now my golf polos are all XL, but they're from brands that are more of an athletic fit than "make room for the belly" fit. 

I never even really thought about people as being short unless they were really short, like under 5' short just because I'm usually a good bit taller than the average person I deal with on a daily basis.  And I don't mean this in a mean way, it's just that almost everybody I meet is much shorter than me, or slightly shorter so I just don't consider somebody who is 5-2 to be short.  But occasionally I will meet somebody who is much taller than me, like BRAD at 6-5 and I think, this must be what I feel like to other people. 
On the bad side, riding in planes, smaller cars or really any cars, public transportation, the whole 9 can be really uncomfortable at times.  The world is not very accommodating for tall people. 

Same here. I don't really notice people who are abnormally short, because to me, well, everyone's short. 

And for me, running into basically anyone taller than me is a little bit shocking. I'm like "holy shit that dude is tall!" because he's 6'7" and that suddenly seems tall because I encounter it so infrequently. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on February 13, 2025, 12:06:03 PM
Bwar, does your employer know you moonlight as a Peloton salesman? ;)

You’re only a salesman if you get a commission.

He’s just a proselytizer!
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 12:06:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bfyS-S-IJs
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on February 13, 2025, 12:12:11 PM


Dang, it's not even noon eastern time, and there's already five new pages in the political theatre thread, and it's locked? 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liGiTVdVu1A


Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 12:18:41 PM
Bwar, does your employer know you moonlight as a Peloton salesman? ;)

You’re only a salesman if you get a commission.

He’s just a proselytizer!
LOL. Well, if anyone DOES want to buy the actual Peloton equipment, I've got a referral link that'll get you $100 credit for accessories/apparel and will give me a $100 referral credit for same. So that would sorta be a commission... The referral link I sent @Gigem (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1706) only doubles the app free trial from 30 days to 60 days, and I get no personal benefit if he uses that...

But yeah, I'm proselytizing because it was something that absolutely worked for me. 

However, I get long-winded about it, because I know the fact that it worked for me doesn't mean it will work for someone else. So if I talk about why I failed to commit to things in the past, and about the specific ways that Peloton helps me avoid those things that stopped me previously, and how certain aspects of the Peloton platform also "gamify" the process (i.e. rewards for streaks, the annual minute challenge) that keep me more on track... Someone can evaluate and figure out if they're like me, have the same workout hangups, and whether they think it'll fit them. 

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Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 12:33:30 PM
Well that was quick and unsurprising.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 12:34:54 PM
Well that was quick and unsurprising.


What was?
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Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 12:38:26 PM
What was?
Take a look at the political thread of shame
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 12:41:42 PM
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Post by: jgvol on February 13, 2025, 12:49:42 PM
I thought the disclaimer "Enter at your own risk" was sufficient.  LOL
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 01:00:38 PM
It needed a time out. It will come back.
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Post by: Riffraft on February 13, 2025, 01:01:53 PM
I lost 50lbs in 2023, keep it off for all of 2024 and so far in 2025.  I lost it and kept it off by Intermittant fasting and being relatively low carb without being religious about the low carb.  I do not eat breakfast, eat a small lunch at around noon and then it a regular dinner at around 5pm.  I generally do not snack between meals.  

I was fairly strict in 2023 but not in 2024.  What I manage to do is reset the weight my body wants to be.  I am generally plus or minus a few pounds.  When I go on a trip I don't generally deny myself and might gain 5lbs or so, but it comes off real quick once I am back home.

Wouldn't mind losing anouther 20lbs,but not enough to do what would be necessary. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 13, 2025, 01:14:56 PM
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“Nice.”
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 01:19:13 PM
1-1.5 pounds/week is a good goal, and sustainable.

This stuff helps me a lot.

Formula 1 Healthy Meal Nutritional Shake Mix (https://www.herbalife.com/en-us/u/products/formula-1-shake-wild-berry-750g-3108)

I also add more pure protein powder to this. I blend with a frozen banana and skim milk. 24 grams of protein, 200 calories.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Mdot21 on February 13, 2025, 01:31:15 PM
"I'll take Mark Cuban is an insufferable douchebag for $600, Alex."

Look at this moron. Fans have every right to chant whatever they want at basketball games they paid their hard earned money to attend. Mavs GM absolutely should be fired for trading Luka Doncic. That was without question one of the most retarded trades I have ever seen in the history of professional sports.

https://twitter.com/BricksCenter/status/1889810263349870770
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Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 01:42:53 PM
NBA = rat's ass

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Post by: Mdot21 on February 13, 2025, 01:48:59 PM
NBA = rat's ass
agreed. still watch from time to time, and Luka Doncic is unquestionably one of the 3 to 5 best basketball players on the planet, he's only 25 years old and has been named 1st team All-NBA five times and won a scoring title...and you trade him to the Lakers for a 32 year old Anthony Davis and a ham sandwich. Makes zero sense. Anthony Davis is an excellent player and all but he's 7 years older and quite frankly just not as good as Luka. 

If you're the Mavs the only way you ever trade a 25 year old in their prime Luka Doncic is if you extract the entire soul of another team. Like all their good players and all their future picks for the next 10 years.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from medinabuckeye
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Quote from: Gigem on Today at 11:08:00 AM (https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/in-other-news-18271/msg670449/#msg670449)
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I'm 100% in agreement with you, and furthermore as we've discussed multiple times on this board the only way to really cut is by cutting the entitlements since it's the largest single source of expenditures by the Federal government.  Or, increase taxes (LOL). 

So we know what they are doing, while helpful in it's own way, won't get us where we need.  I'm hopeful that if nothing else, we can cut this bullshit out, grow the economy at the same time, shrink inflation, and maybe curb some of the entitlements and shrink the deficit down to a manageable number again.  When I say shrink entitlements, I'm talking about SS benefits to 150 year olds, gross fraud in medicare, that type of stuff.  Not actually cutting SS benefits or changing the core requirements. 

First, I'm glad you saw what I meant and didn't think I was just picking on you.  

Second, I agree with this post and just want to add one area of SS Fraud/waste that is a pet peeve of mine:
My wife is an addiction counselor who previously worked for a County Health Department with addicts in that county.  Nearly ALL of her adult clients were on SSI Disability.  

Wait, what?  

It gets worse, the disabilities weren't from injuries or something, they were mental health disabilities.  

Wait, what?

Want to know what the disabilities were?  Their addictions WERE their disabilities.  So for these people, in sum, we the taxpayers are paying for:
  • Disability checks so they can sit around the house getting high watching tunes (https://youtu.be/ido6NrjGi2o?si=TNMqi-bxL0GBP7ys), 
  • Police for all the crimes they commit,  
  • Addiction counselor salaries to tell them to stop taking drugs, 
  • Paramedics salaries and Narcan kits for when they OD

Many jobs in Ohio require a drug test to GET the job.  If we are going to require drug tests to GET a job shouldn't we also require drug tests to NOT get a job and sit around collecting govn't handouts too?  

Just a note mostly for our resident libertarian @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) :
I'm enough of a libertarian that if you are independently wealthy and want to use your wealth to sit around getting high I don't really care.  My issue here isn't the drug use it is the waste of government resources.  



In my opinion, this is the stuff that is really hurting America worst of all.  You have people collecting disability who aren't really disabled, taking money from people who are working, and at the same time keeping people who legitimately need it or who are just collecting their regular SS that are making less.  And now we have no labor, no workforce, so we need to bring in illegals or whatever to make up the difference.  

Right now, DOGE is working on the "8%" labeled as all other.  Peanuts.  

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Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 02:36:56 PM
In our neck of the woods we call them "crazy checks".  People get them by pretending to be mentally unwell, and they allegedly know just what to say and do to get them.  I have more than one relative that gets them unfortunately.  Nothing wrong with them, they just don't want to work, have substance problems, and don't mind being a dirt bag.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 03:02:08 PM
Can we PLEASE keep this goddamned thread apolitical? 

Or we might as well just lock this one too. 
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 13, 2025, 03:29:44 PM
Quit swearing that offends me unless you dropped a 12pk in bottles,then by all means soldier on
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 13, 2025, 03:34:08 PM
Since late last year, I've been fasting one day a week.  I was pushing 270 (268-272).  I am tall, over 6'2, but I'm still pretty heavy even for my size.  About to be 50, so I decided to do something about it. 

Anyways, one day a week (usually Tuesday but sometimes Thursday) I will fast from the time I get up until I wake up the next day, so roughly ~30 hours or so.  It was working pretty good I think.  I didn't really do much the first couple of weeks, but I started weighing myself weekly in January.  So I got down to 261, 8-10 lbs down.  I was pretty happy about that.  So last week, I guess I overdid the superbowl and this week I weighed in at about 265.  Not too happy about that.  Literally gained 4 lbs in a week just from a little extra chips/cheese/alcohol during the Big Game. 

I don't really exercise but at times I have a physically demanding job.  I consider myself in pretty decent shape, I often climb very tall stairs at work in an industrial facility, 80-120 feet in height pretty easily.  I have days, like today where I will sit in this office all day and do nothing physically, and then this weekend I will be drilling wells and doing actual physical work. 

I don't really do any kind of diet  other than my one day fast, but some people I know will do the fast after a certain time and had good results.  I do eat way to much fast food, but my wife usually cooks dinner and we eat a good amount of green vegetables at each meal. 

Just curious about the rest of you and what you've done to drop the pounds.  I don't really care to or want any help in the form of ozempic or the rest, I feel like bad stuff may come out of this scheme in the future. 

This is a bit oversimplified, but still solid.  

When interested in losing weight, you mostly want to modify your diet.  If you ever take a look at how calories work--both taking them in and burning them off--it's largely a fool's errand to try to lose weight by exercising.  

Not eating after 4 pm like Badger suggested is probably a great way to accomplish that, though I'm not sure how sustainable that is long term for many people.  I had success when I gained weight for the first time in my life 8ish years ago by not eating after 6 pm.  I was able to get my supper in by 6, though, so your schedule may preclude that.  It took a long time, I felt like, for it to make any difference at all, to the point where I thought it was doing nothing, and then in the snap of a finger, I lost 6 lbs seemingly overnight.  I did it for a couple months and dropped 15 lbs, which was my target at the time.  

Cutting out the fast food you mentioned would be huge.  Cutting out sweets, snacks and desserts would be huge.  

Exercising and working out is great to improve your health....cardio, strength, making your doctor gripe at you about your lab results less, etc.  But it's not going to help you lose weight much.  Not unless you combine it with a modified diet, in which case, it's mostly the modified diet that's working, not the exercising.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 03:45:34 PM
My biggest meal is lunch.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 13, 2025, 03:46:03 PM
My stepson was telling me several months ago about research that's been around for a while about gut bacteria and how massively important it is in weight fluctuation.  As in, you know how some people gain weight if they look at a burger, and other people gobble down everything in sight and never gain an ounce?  It's metabolism, I suppose, although I don't know if that's what the science actually says, only that it has to do with fluctuating weight.  Anyway, our gut bacteria is key to that, turns out.  Apparently there have been experiments where the gut bacteria of a skinny person has been transplanted into big people/easy-gainers, and their results are staggering.  Their bodies begin behaving like that of "skinny" people.  They're able to lose weight with basically the same eating pattern.

That's what he was telling me, anyway.  I don't know where he gets the stuff he talks about.  If it's true, I wonder how long before skinny people get rich selling their gut bacteria to the rest of the world.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 03:48:01 PM
Can we PLEASE keep this goddamned thread apolitical?

Or we might as well just lock this one too.
I'm sorry if you took my post as political.  I tried to frame it only in the context of black and white information.  Mine and Medina's personal experience factors into the post I made.  I asked for the other thread to be kept open, but a couple of posts (posters) derailed our very civil (between us) discussion.  

How's the weather? 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 03:54:24 PM
Anyways, one day a week (usually Tuesday but sometimes Thursday) I will fast from the time I get up until I wake up the next day, so roughly ~30 hours or so.  It was working pretty good I think.  I didn't really do much the first couple of weeks, but I started weighing myself weekly in January.  So I got down to 261, 8-10 lbs down.  I was pretty happy about that.  So last week, I guess I overdid the superbowl and this week I weighed in at about 265.  Not too happy about that.  Literally gained 4 lbs in a week just from a little extra chips/cheese/alcohol during the Big Game. 
One point to add here... 8-10 lbs in 6 weeks is just on the upper end of a "normal/safe" weight loss. But although you might feel like you lost all that weight, chances are if you were just eating a little healthier and avoiding carbs, a good portion of that weight was water. And then there's NO way you gained 4 pounds in a week. Your body doesn't do that. You ate crappy [carb-laden] foods and your body started retaining water. So you "gained" four pounds... Of water.

This is often what happens when someone goes low-carb. They lose a crazy amount of weight REALLY quickly... Because their body is no longer retaining as much water. You can lose weight with a low-carb diet, but that initial burst usually isn't real. You add back some carbs, and 5-10 lbs can pack on effectively overnight. The only thing that can do that, that quickly, is water retention. 

If you REALLY want to drop weight with diet, the best way IMHO is simple calorie counting. Figure out your daily burn rate. Try to live in mild (no more than 500/day) calorie restriction. At 500/day, you should lose about a pound a week. I did this a long time ago. My basal metabolic rate (BMR), i.e. the amount I'd burn with absolutely zero exercise, was about 2700/day, I watched it very closely and lived around 2200/day, and the weight just fell right off. The nice thing about being big guys like us is that we have high BMR, so you don't have to restrict as much. 2200/day is more than many smaller people can eat without gaining weight lol!

I personally think things like intermittent fasting, or not eating after 4 PM, or eliminating carbs, or any other "don't eat item X or don't eat during time Y" are essentially a way to get you into calorie deficit. It's just a hack to do it w/o all the work of calorie counting. 



Exercising and working out is great to improve your health....cardio, strength, making your doctor gripe at you about your lab results less, etc.  But it's not going to help you lose weight much.  Not unless you combine it with a modified diet, in which case, it's mostly the modified diet that's working, not the exercising. 

Yeah, I probably should have touched on that... The old saw is "You can't outrun your fork."

And it's true. For most people, the more you exercise, the more hungry you are. The more hungry you are, the more you eat (to balance the extra calorie burn). And if you eat more, you won't lose weight. Your body wants you to stay in calorie balance. 

You can get strong/fit in the gym. But if you're not paying attention to diet (and living in a calorie deficit), it won't cause you to lose weight. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 03:59:29 PM
How's the weather?
"Cold" and rainy lol...

Actually as @CatsbyAZ (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1532) posted in the weather thread, it's going to be some pretty heavy rain for SoCal for the rest of the day. Enough that there will be some flood watches in effect. I just made a quick run to the market for some cilantro for tonight's dinner, and the radio has said that anyone near the burn areas in SoCal are getting evacuated due to mudslide risk. 

That would be just the thing for SoCal... Your house survived the fire, and then a mudslide destroys it :91:

No risk of anything where I live though. We're high enough elevation that we don't need to worry about flooding risk, and far enough from the mountains that we've never had THAT much risk from fires and zero from mudslides. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 04:03:17 PM
Absolutely it's about forcing myself to have a calorie deficit diet.  I'm just trying it to see how it ends up working for me.  I also know that there's no way I could have possibly gained 4 lbs in a week, which I deduced was probably water retention as you suggested.  I'm also going to stick with this diet another month of two just to see where I end up. 

My goal is to be under 250.  I know myself and my bad habits enough to know that I probably won't be able to sustain any kind of diet, so I'm just choosing to skip eating one day so I don't have to make any choices.  I might modify this some in the near future with a modified no eating after xx time diet, and maybe start having a much lower calorie lunch.  Hard for me to skip the fast food as I'm always on the go, juggling multiple "lives" that I've jumped into in the last few years. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 04:05:58 PM
Absolutely it's about forcing myself to have a calorie diet.  I'm just trying it to see how it ends up working for me.  I also know that there's no way I could have possibly gained 4 lbs in a week, which I deduced was probably water retention as you suggested.  I'm also going to stick with this diet another month of two just to see where I end up. 

My goal is to be under 250.  I know myself and my bad habits enough to know that I probably won't be able to sustain any kind of diet, so I'm just choosing to skip eating one day so I don't have to make any choices.  I might modify this some in the near future with a modified no eating after xx time diet, and maybe start having a much lower calorie lunch.  Hard for me to skip the fast food as I'm always on the go, juggling multiple "lives" that I've jumped into in the last few years. 
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Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 04:07:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GlnAlzZ.jpeg)
Believe it or not, I do this often.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 04:17:08 PM
Believe it or not, I do this often. 
Good.

I mostly cut out all fast food and processed foods. It's not easy but it helps a lot.

My A1C was 7.3. It's now 5.4. Cholesterol is way down too at normal levels, from being in heart attack territory. 

(Hence the open heart surgery two months ago - which you do not want - trust me.)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 04:18:46 PM
I know myself and my bad habits   
I know mine too :singing:
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Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 04:22:50 PM
I know mine too :singing:
:party0036:
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on February 13, 2025, 04:33:37 PM
Quitting cigars has been... not easy.

But I still drink. Just not as much.

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Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 04:34:31 PM
Smoking is so gross, you're doing yourself and everyone around you a huge favor.  Keep up the good work!
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Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 04:35:02 PM
Also, Deep Eddy is another fine Austin vodka.  I guess that's our thing, now.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 04:35:22 PM
Smoking is so gross, you're doing yourself and everyone around you a huge favor.  Keep up the good work!
Word
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 13, 2025, 04:47:44 PM
And it's true. For most people, the more you exercise, the more hungry you are. The more hungry you are, the more you eat (to balance the extra calorie burn). And if you eat more, you won't lose weight. Your body wants you to stay in calorie balance.

There's that, and there's also the sheer math of the time for calorie in/calorie "out."  

Say a slice of cheesecake gets you 325 calories.  You eat it in a couple minutes.  It takes like 30-40 minutes running on a treadmill to burn 325 calories.  Add in a couple Famous Amos cookies and Cheetos throughout the day......nobody has any hope of spending that much time on a treadmill.  You could kill yourself on it and not even break even for a day with your snacks.  If you snack like I have a tendency to, anyway.  And that's not even counting working off some of the regular meals, which may need to happen.  

Back when I wanted to lose the 15 lbs, I was getting after it with my gym membership.  I was hustling.  It did all kinds of good for my greater health.  But it wasn't helping me lose the pounds.  My gf (now wife) told me about the uphill climb and told me the only way to get where I wanted to go was to cut back on the snacks and reduce my lunch and dinner portions.  

It took several weeks, but she was right.  Per usual.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 13, 2025, 04:49:00 PM
Smoking is so gross, you're doing yourself and everyone around you a huge favor.  Keep up the good work!

Cigars?  

Cigarettes, sure, but I don't find smoking cigars to be very gross.  Though I myself don't smoke cigars.  
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Post by: jgvol on February 13, 2025, 04:57:31 PM
Cigars? 

Cigarettes, sure, but I don't find smoking cigars to be very gross.  Though I myself don't smoke cigars. 

The cigar smell alone turns my stomach.  Nasty.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 13, 2025, 05:00:32 PM
Cigars? 

Cigarettes, sure, but I don't find smoking cigars to be very gross.  Though I myself don't smoke cigars. 
The cigar smell alone turns my stomach.  Nasty.
Yup, cigars smell even worse than cigarettes.

My grandfather used to smoke a pipe, and whatever tobacco he used, actually smelled okay.

But cigars and cigarettes, no way.  Totally gross.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 05:33:05 PM
There's that, and there's also the sheer math of the time for calorie in/calorie "out." 

Say a slice of cheesecake gets you 325 calories.  You eat it in a couple minutes.  It takes like 30-40 minutes running on a treadmill to burn 325 calories.  Add in a couple Famous Amos cookies and Cheetos throughout the day......nobody has any hope of spending that much time on a treadmill.  You could kill yourself on it and not even break even for a day with your snacks.  If you snack like I have a tendency to, anyway.  And that's not even counting working off some of the regular meals, which may need to happen. 

Back when I wanted to lose the 15 lbs, I was getting after it with my gym membership.  I was hustling.  It did all kinds of good for my greater health.  But it wasn't helping me lose the pounds.  My gf (now wife) told me about the uphill climb and told me the only way to get where I wanted to go was to cut back on the snacks and reduce my lunch and dinner portions. 

It took several weeks, but she was right.  Per usual. 
Yeah, but I think it's more than that. 

Let's say you're at a stable weight, and you're trying to lose weight. You *should* be able to add exercise, which should put you into calorie deficit if you change NOTHING about your diet. My point is that very few people--unless they're consciously doing it--change NOTHING about their diet. 

My guess is that when you were getting after it at the gym, you were hungry, and you were increasing your calorie intake relative to what you did before you started in the gym. 

According to my Garmin app (which bases its estimate of calories on weight and heart rate from my watch), my BMR for the past year is an average of 2670 calories/day. That tracks with what various online calculators put it at for my weight, as well as the weight loss I experienced back when I counted calories, so that makes sense. But over the past year, all the exercise has meant that it is estimating that my average total calorie burn is 3,585 per day. A little over 900 extra calories per day average due to exercise. 

I've lost no weight over the last year. Because I eat whatever the hell I want, and my body wants... It wants... a lot! :57:

If I was eating like I am now and not burning 900+ active calories a day? I'd be a fat pig. But that's not likely. If I stopped the calorie burn, I'd be less hungry, and would probably start eating less. 

Your body is going to TRY to stay in balance. Which is why you can't ignore diet and only focus on exercise. Because when you burn more, you're naturally going to eat more. Unless you actively manage it, which is what your wife told you. And, she was right. As usual...
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 13, 2025, 05:37:44 PM
@Gigem (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1706) if you want to PM me with your thoughts, questions, perspectives, I'll be happy to respond (when I have time, which is not always, but I have enjoyed being back around here recently). Unless I'm not. But I'm unlikely to swear at you. (Unlikely, I've been known to slip.)
;)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 13, 2025, 05:56:54 PM
Yeah, but I think it's more than that.


You're correct.  

What I mean to say re: the math on calories consumed vs. calories burned--suppose you're at a stable weight, and you don't exercise.  Let's say for some reason you can only pick one or the other.  You'll have a lot more success by trimming down the eating (and adding no exercise) vs. adding exercise (and not reducing calorie intake--which, as you pointed out, is unlikely to happen anyway).  

I only mean that suppose your truism of wanting more calories along with more exercise weren't there to hinder you (which it is).  Attacking the calories would still do more for weight loss than attacking the gym.  That obviously varies with how much time a person spends exercising, but as I say, the amount of exercise needed to lose weight without reducing calories is severe.  

Aaaaand.....as you've pointed out, it's highly unlikely to exercise that much and reduce calories....at least on accident.  

What I'm trying to say is we're both right, so stop arguing with me :)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 13, 2025, 06:43:50 PM

You're correct. 

What I mean to say re: the math on calories consumed vs. calories burned--suppose you're at a stable weight, and you don't exercise.  Let's say for some reason you can only pick one or the other.  You'll have a lot more success by trimming down the eating (and adding no exercise) vs. adding exercise (and not reducing calorie intake--which, as you pointed out, is unlikely to happen anyway). 

I only mean that suppose your truism of wanting more calories along with more exercise weren't there to hinder you (which it is).  Attacking the calories would still do more for weight loss than attacking the gym.  That obviously varies with how much time a person spends exercising, but as I say, the amount of exercise needed to lose weight without reducing calories is severe. 

Aaaaand.....as you've pointed out, it's highly unlikely to exercise that much and reduce calories....at least on accident. 

What I'm trying to say is we're both right, so stop arguing with me :)
LOL not arguing. It's more "violent agreement"...

My only point is that the math is the math. And the human psychology is the human psychology. Math-wise, increasing calorie burn should mean weight loss, because why would you increase calorie consumption? Psychology-wise, increasing calorie burn tends to increase calorie consumption. 

So whether you increase calories burned via exercise or you don't, you must pay attention to calories consumed if you're trying to lose weight. Increased exercise is a good thing, and you can actually increase exercise AND increase calorie consumption and still lose weight--as long as the increase of consumption is smaller than the increase in calories burned. But that's hard to do unless you're paying very close attention to the calories. 

I'd even argue that someone who is starting a new exercise routine but is trying to lose weight should target a MUCH smaller calorie deficit than someone who is JUST dieting. Because you're going to shoot yourself in the foot far more by pushing yourself into constant fatigue because you're not fueling the machine well enough than if you just try to go for say a 200 cal/day deficit instead of a 500 cal/day deficit. It's better to prioritize performance over weight loss, especially in the early stages, IMHO. 

But we agree. You can't lose weight without a calorie deficit. You can't rely on your subjective feeling of how much you should eat to create a calorie deficit, when you're heavily working out. So ultimately weight loss happens in the kitchen, not the gym. 
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Post by: Gigem on February 13, 2025, 07:37:07 PM
@Gigem (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1706) if you want to PM me with your thoughts, questions, perspectives, I'll be happy to respond (when I have time, which is not always, but I have enjoyed being back around here recently). Unless I'm not. But I'm unlikely to swear at you. (Unlikely, I've been known to slip.)
;)
One thing that I really like about MOST people in our group is that there is a wide diversity in opinion , life experience, really the whole 9 yards. And even if I don’t agree with your opinion or viewpoint, I still want to hear it. 
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Post by: FearlessF on February 13, 2025, 09:58:14 PM
my doc said that losing weight is only about number of calories consumed vs number of calories burned

which is what most of you are saying here

metabolism, fasting, gut health, carbs, sweets, not eating after 5pm, other tricks are only helpful if they help with less intake or more burning of calories

exercise is not easy for me, especially when it's below zero degrees
I need to find a routine to do something

I can maintain my weight by eating once a day before 7pm.  Limiting sweets and carbs.
I'm at a good weight - around 180, down from 200
I just want to be more physically fit and therefore more healthy  
@62 years of age, it's time to get started
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Post by: Gigem on February 14, 2025, 07:38:59 AM
my doc said that losing weight is only about number of calories consumed vs number of calories burned

which is what most of you are saying here

metabolism, fasting, gut health, carbs, sweets, not eating after 5pm, other tricks are only helpful if they help with less intake or more burning of calories

exercise is not easy for me, especially when it's below zero degrees
I need to find a routine to do something

I can maintain my weight by eating once a day before 7pm.  Limiting sweets and carbs.
I'm at a good weight - around 180, down from 200
I just want to be more physically fit and therefore more healthy 
@62 years of age, it's time to get started
180 seems …slim. How tall are you ? 
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2025, 08:00:37 AM
LOL not arguing. It's more "violent agreement"...
A metal band should have used that for an Album Cover,you get a Yuengling
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Post by: FearlessF on February 14, 2025, 09:04:49 AM
5'10"
36 waist. I'd rather get back to the 34" waist
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Post by: utee94 on February 14, 2025, 09:33:03 AM
Yeah I'm 5'10 as well, and 180 is actually a little heavy for me.  170 is a good weight and when I'm at my leanest, 160 is where I should be. 
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Post by: FearlessF on February 14, 2025, 10:25:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/9pA2Nia.png)
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 14, 2025, 10:47:54 AM
LOL not arguing. It's more "violent agreement"...

My only point is that the math is the math. And the human psychology is the human psychology. Math-wise, increasing calorie burn should mean weight loss, because why would you increase calorie consumption? Psychology-wise, increasing calorie burn tends to increase calorie consumption.

It would.

I just mean that a significant reduction in calories > adding exercise + deliberately taking in the same or relatively fewer calories upon adding exercise.  The first way is going to lose more weight, faster, than the second way 9 times out of 10. 

That said, the optimal thing is to do both, since exercising is just so good for you all around.  

I just want to help the Aggie do as good as he can, fast as he can, because the world needs more Aggies for me to kick around.  
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Post by: utee94 on February 14, 2025, 10:50:26 AM
There are plenty over here in my family.  Stop on by.

And yeah, it's really an 80/20 thing, diet vs. exercise.  But of course, exercise is good.  I'm back to running 3 miles during the week and 5 miles on a weekend day.  
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 14, 2025, 10:56:12 AM
There are plenty over here in my family.  Stop on by.

And yeah, it's really an 80/20 thing, diet vs. exercise.  But of course, exercise is good.  I'm back to running 3 miles during the week and 5 miles on a weekend day. 
Hell yeah running! 

It feels like a society we have locked in very hard on weight when we should probably see it as a more global thing. Do you feel good? Can you do things? Is your body capable of things?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 14, 2025, 11:06:09 AM
Running is the one form of exercise I will avoid like the plague. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2025, 11:07:08 AM
Running is the one form of exercise I will avoid like the plague.
Jogging gives me the runs.
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Post by: Benthere2 on February 14, 2025, 11:08:46 AM
Jogging gives me the runs.
jogging leads to the runs
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Post by: utee94 on February 14, 2025, 11:09:48 AM
Running is the one form of exercise I will avoid like the plague.
I get it.  I like cycling too, but for me running has always been a bit of a zen activity.  When I'm in shape I can zone out and run for hours without thinking about it.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 14, 2025, 11:25:44 AM
I get it.  I like cycling too, but for me running has always been a bit of a zen activity.  When I'm in shape I can zone out and run for hours without thinking about it.
For me it's the impact. At my size it is just WAY too much impact on my lower half. 

I realize it's probably because I have terrible running form, and if I learned to run properly it wouldn't be as hard on my body. But I hate it, so I'm not motivated to learn to do it better. 
 
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 14, 2025, 11:44:54 AM
For me it's the impact. At my size it is just WAY too much impact on my lower half.

I realize it's probably because I have terrible running form, and if I learned to run properly it wouldn't be as hard on my body. But I hate it, so I'm not motivated to learn to do it better.
 
Running is an irritating one because if you’re really out of shape, you have to really work up to it.

and I joked with someone, the running learning curve is something like this: you hate it, you learn to hate a little less, you hate it a little less, you get hurt.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 14, 2025, 11:47:05 AM
At the simplest level, of course it's calories in, calories out. Food (and drink) are sources of energy. Our body converts it into energy, but stores excess. At a defecift, it burns the storage. That's weight gain and weight loss in a nutshell. That's why diet is the most important issue: are you adding to your energy storage, or are you depleting it. Exercise is a great way to increase the energy you are burning, but biologically your body reacts by telling you to consume more energy. One of the things that's tough about weight loss is that your body reacts to burning storage and sends signals to your brain that you need to consume more. Being a mammal is tough like that. (That's not the only way.) But we do have agency. We can fight those impulses.

I weigh too much. Nearly always have. Even in the Army, when I was pretty damn fit, I carried around a little extra. I had one glorious moment lo about 10 years ago where I actually hit a number where I thought: solid; no need for anything more. That lasted about three months. I love food. It's probably my primary means of self medication. Stressed? Eat. Bored? Eat. Celebrate something? Eat. Basically, lots of eating. And after that magical moment, life came at me in waves, so I packed on some weight, and I've struggled to get back to where I'm happy (not even that magical moment happy, just happier).

I'm also pretty darned active. I average an hour of relativly high intensity cycling (I say relatively, because it's not the highest--I'm not doing big climbs) three times a week; I lift about twice a week (which is a relatively recent thing for me); and I do a combination (depending on the season) of refereeing soccer games (the big kids, so 80+ minutes each), golfing, and playing tennis during most of the year (and I'm an on and off runner). I used to be a hockey player, and I want to be again, but...time and convenience are a factor. The wild thing is that only recently did I give myself some grace and think, "yeah, you weigh too much, but you're also pretty darned active and reasonably strong, which is a good sign." 

I should lose some weight. Among other things, I feel held back doing the athletics I want to do. I could run longer and faster as a referee, I would enjoy running more, and my joints would handle all of this stuff better than they do now. BUT...I can't beat myself up about it too much. And I really freakin' love ice cream.

(Sugar is my kryptonite--it, too, is addictive, which really freaking sucks, but not nearly as destructive as a bunch of other addictive things.)
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Post by: jgvol on February 14, 2025, 11:47:09 AM
For me it's the impact. At my size it is just WAY too much impact on my lower half.

I realize it's probably because I have terrible running form, and if I learned to run properly it wouldn't be as hard on my body. But I hate it, so I'm not motivated to learn to do it better.
 

I used to enjoy running, and athletics in general.  I can't do anything impact wise these days.

At 34 I shattered my right tibia and fibula, (and ankle), playing soccer.  4 tibia breaks, 12 fibula breaks, and 2 ankle fractures.  (Spiral fracture)

Toting around 2 plates and 21 screws.  Lateral movement gonzo.  Every step I take hurts, but I got used to it -- day to day stuff.  Any light athletics, or anything on uneven surfaces is fairly excruciating.

A stationary bike, or a regular bike, is probably my best bet.  I used to enjoy to elliptical machines, and the rowing machines at the gym.

I'll blame the bad wheel for my pudginess.  :)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2025, 11:52:32 AM
I had a spiral fracture too. One plate and 14 screws. Lateral movement? LOL. And my wife wants me to play pickleball. Not happening.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 14, 2025, 11:55:48 AM
I hated running until I was about 40. I was good at it in the Army--I could consistently do a sub-6 mile/sub-12 2-mile, and at 4-6 I was sub 7, but I still hated it. It wasn't until years later, after I wrecked my shoulder in a bike wreck and couldn't ride, so I had to run for exercise that I learned to appreciate it. The thing about running is it's inefficient (especially compared to cycling). There is no way to make it easier, and running faster is harder. Full stop. But I learned to appreciate the zen-ish nature of it, and the inefficiency. I've maybe only twice (if that) had a "runner's high,"* but I've learned to appreciate finishing a run and knowing that I just did something for myself.

Rather than a runner's high, I think of it as "beautiful suffering." Same thing when climbing a monstrous hill on a bike.

*In the Army, I finished a brutal 12-mile run--it was awful--but grabbed the literal best glass of orange juice I had ever had when I finished. I was the second guy finished out of our battalion, and after my best buddy, a Ranger, kept me going through miles 7-8, at mile 11 he told me to go on without him--and that guy was (is) bleeping tough (he kept running and finished, just not at the pace we were using to try to catch the first guy). The juice was out of a carton in the fridge in my office--generic carton orange juice--but man was it just exactly what I needed in that moment. (Body wanted energy, and sugary fruit juice sent signals to my brain that were exactly right.)
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 14, 2025, 11:58:54 AM
I've been lucky with injuries over the years. Some minor stuff here and there--and the separated shoulder, which was a bitch--but I've avoided the big joint and bone stuff.
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Post by: Riffraft on February 14, 2025, 12:00:34 PM
Quitting cigars has been... not easy.

But I still drink. Just not as much.

(https://i.imgur.com/MPoWdhT.png)
Been smoking cigars for about a year.  Don't smoke everyday. 1 or 2 a week.  I find it a nice break sitting outside with an adult beverage with a good cigar. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2025, 12:01:13 PM
I've been lucky with injuries over the years. Some minor stuff here and there--and the separated shoulder, which was a bitch--but I've avoided the big joint and bone stuff.
Yeah, I think about trying to skate again and I just talk myself out of it because I know how it would go. You are lucky.
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Post by: jgvol on February 14, 2025, 12:01:43 PM
I had a spiral fracture too. One plate and 14 screws. Lateral movement? LOL. And my wife wants me to play pickleball. Not happening.

I used to enjoy tennis.  Another LOL these days.  Tried it --- ONCE.  Thought my plates tore away from the bone!

No more.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 14, 2025, 12:01:53 PM
Been smoking cigars for about a year.  Don't smoke everyday. 1 or 2 a week.  I find it a nice break sitting outside with an adult beverage with a good cigar.
That's not going to kill you.
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Post by: Riffraft on February 14, 2025, 12:02:03 PM
The cigar smell alone turns my stomach.  Nasty.
People are smoking bad cigars around you. :72:
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 14, 2025, 12:04:16 PM
Yeah, I think about trying to skate again and I just talk myself out of it because I know how it would go. You are lucky.
I stopped playing basketball in my 30s because I care so much more about my other sports (hockey, at the time, and hopefully again), and wasn't willing to tear an ACL or an achilles tendon, or some such thing, playing a sport I like, but don't love.
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Post by: Riffraft on February 14, 2025, 12:04:35 PM
my doc said that losing weight is only about number of calories consumed vs number of calories burned

which is what most of you are saying here

metabolism, fasting, gut health, carbs, sweets, not eating after 5pm, other tricks are only helpful if they help with less intake or more burning of calories

exercise is not easy for me, especially when it's below zero degrees
I need to find a routine to do something

I can maintain my weight by eating once a day before 7pm.  Limiting sweets and carbs.
I'm at a good weight - around 180, down from 200
I just want to be more physically fit and therefore more healthy 
@62 years of age, it's time to get started
I believe in Calories in vs Calories out, but I also am compelled by the hormonal view of weight gain, i.e. Limiting the number of insulin spikes during the day.  Did a lot of research before I started intermittant fasting
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Post by: jgvol on February 14, 2025, 12:05:48 PM
People are smoking bad cigars around you. :72:

I'd rather smell a Marlboro.  That's how bad cigars turn my stomach.  A sickly sweet disgustingness.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 14, 2025, 12:05:53 PM
Been smoking cigars for about a year.  Don't smoke everyday. 1 or 2 a week.  I find it a nice break sitting outside with an adult beverage with a good cigar.
I enjoy a cigar on the back 9 of the golf course once a week or so. 2 or 3 times a month during golf season (april-october)  so, less than 30 a year
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 14, 2025, 12:08:31 PM
I believe in Calories in vs Calories out, but I also am compelled by the hormonal view of weight gain, i.e. Limiting the number of insulin spikes during the day.  Did a lot of research before I started intermittant fasting
Yeah--at a simple level (perhaps simplistic) these issues (insulin spikes, heart rate (aerobic vs. anaerobic burn), etc.) relate to how your body reacts to the energy it is burning, and what signals it sends you to regulate it. Understanding them better allows you to be more rational in your response (and also in your planning to avoid them). 
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Post by: FearlessF on February 14, 2025, 12:11:26 PM
That's not going to kill you.
I hope not.
I've cut down from maybe 4 or 8 a month during golf season
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2025, 12:14:35 PM
Rather than a runner's high, I think of it as "beautiful suffering." 
So a Blues Album Cover 😎
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2025, 12:16:55 PM
A sickly sweet disgustingness.
So a Punk Band Album cover
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2025, 12:20:05 PM
I stopped playing basketball in my 30s because I care so much more about my other sports (hockey, at the time, and hopefully again)
The Hanson Brothers approve this message
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Post by: jgvol on February 14, 2025, 12:20:18 PM
So a Punk Band Album cover

Yup.  Rancid.  :)



(https://i.imgur.com/cfTWNOR.png)
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Post by: Mdot21 on February 14, 2025, 12:33:27 PM
where can I buy one of these sweatshirts?

https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/1890443812348067946
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 14, 2025, 12:42:01 PM
There are plenty over here in my family.  Stop on by.

And yeah, it's really an 80/20 thing, diet vs. exercise.  But of course, exercise is good.  I'm back to running 3 miles during the week and 5 miles on a weekend day. 

~???

Even in my healthy days, I'd have felt separated from that reality by a million miles.  Running (for the sake of running) has never been my thing.  I would run for hours playing other sports, but just running was a chore that was forced on me in P.E. classes in grade school.  It never stuck with me.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 14, 2025, 12:49:34 PM
For me it's the impact. At my size it is just WAY too much impact on my lower half.

I realize it's probably because I have terrible running form, and if I learned to run properly it wouldn't be as hard on my body. But I hate it, so I'm not motivated to learn to do it better.
 

The impact is eventually not good for anybody, no matter how good their form is or how good their joints start out.  The chances that you endure knee problems you wouldn't otherwise have had are pretty high.  

Most of the benefits average people are going for can be achieved with a brisk walking pace.  And when most people say they run, they mean jog, particularly over several miles.  Sprinting is not an option for most people for long distances, but in short bursts, even that's better for your joints than jogging.  

That said, I'm no jogging Nazi.  I don't go around telling people they should either walk or sprint.  If the subject comes up, I'll say what I just said in case they care.  Most people don't, and I don't blame them.  

I could hardly ever get into running.  I ran like a mofo for hours at a time on a basketball court.  But I had terrible discipline and will power to go running.  It just bored me to tears, I think.  Unfortunately, everything like that has been off the table for ~17 years, when I screwed up my ankles and feet.  I do well to ride my little stationary bike these days.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 14, 2025, 12:54:07 PM
(Sugar is my kryptonite--it, too, is addictive, which really freaking sucks, but not nearly as destructive as a bunch of other addictive things.)

I hear you, and I know the struggle.  Sugar, so the missus tells me, is pretty highly addictive compared to many illegal drugs that people become addicted to.  I know tons of people who crave it, but I know a few people who really crave it, and I'm one of them.  And I can tell for the average person, they don't get it.  
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2025, 12:56:00 PM
~???

Even in my healthy days, I'd have felt separated from that reality by a million miles.  Running (for the sake of running) has never been my thing.  I would run for hours playing other sports, but just running was a chore that was forced on me in P.E. classes in grade school.  It never stuck with me. 
:singing:
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2025, 01:00:59 PM
That said, I'm no jogging Nazi.  I don't go around telling people they should either walk or sprint. 
Just like the Young Bull/Old Bull joke

There are hundreds of cows grazing in a pasture below them . The young bull says to the old one, "Let's run down there and screw one of those cows!"

The old bull respondss, "No, let's stroll down there and screw them all."
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 14, 2025, 01:39:38 PM
Can't remember where I was talking about this, so I'm just dropping it here.

Here's one study that says bacteria from thin people don't make a difference to a host they're transplanted to.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9856235/#abstract3

As with pretty much every study I've ever read, ever, it caveats itself by saying further studies are needed to really know anything.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 14, 2025, 02:19:56 PM
The impact is eventually not good for anybody, no matter how good their form is or how good their joints start out.  The chances that you endure knee problems you wouldn't otherwise have had are pretty high. 

Most of the benefits average people are going for can be achieved with a brisk walking pace.  
Yeah, and I enjoy a nice long brisk walk, I love hiking. I'd rather hike 10 miles than jog 1. 

I hear you, and I know the struggle.  Sugar, so the missus tells me, is pretty highly addictive compared to many illegal drugs that people become addicted to.  I know tons of people who crave it, but I know a few people who really crave it, and I'm one of them.  And I can tell for the average person, they don't get it. 

This is one area I'm really lucky. I don't crave sweet things. I have a few guilty pleasures (tiramisu, anything involving dark chocolate, etc), but I don't even like milk chocolate. Too sweet. 
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Post by: DunkingDan on February 14, 2025, 02:37:04 PM
Yeah, and I enjoy a nice long brisk walk, I love hiking. I'd rather hike 10 miles than jog 1.

This is one area I'm really lucky. I don't crave sweet things. I have a few guilty pleasures (tiramisu, anything involving dark chocolate, etc), but I don't even like milk chocolate. Too sweet.
I use to love to hike (and like someone else I could play bball 2 hrs full court 4-5 nights a week and or tennis).
Unfortunately my back and knees won't allow me to anymore so I swim a mile 2-3 times a week while listening to music (which helps relieve the boredom for me)
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2025, 03:05:37 PM
Farmers chases off tresspassers protesting on his property
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pghclCqIhsc?feature=share
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 14, 2025, 03:12:25 PM
Yeah, and I enjoy a nice long brisk walk, I love hiking. I'd rather hike 10 miles than jog 1.
I agree, but I can run 3-4 miles in a half hour, just walking out my front door and starting. Hiking 10 miles takes a lot longer than that.
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Post by: ELA on February 14, 2025, 03:17:56 PM
So a Punk Band Album cover
Or Bert's Tinder profile
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Post by: utee94 on February 14, 2025, 03:18:50 PM
I agree, but I can run 3-4 miles in a half hour, just walking out my front door and starting. Hiking 10 miles takes a lot longer than that.
Yup, exactly.  I don't have a ton of time, I'm running before work most days, so I need to get it done in a half-hour.  Right now I'm doing 3 mile per day 3 days per week during the week, and then a 5-6 miler on one of the weekend days.  I can knock out the 3 miles and take a shower in just over 30 minutes, and then get to work.

It's taken me a while to get back to this level of activity and capability, but my goal was "I want to be able to run a decent 10K any time I feel like it" and that's where my training has gotten me so far.
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Post by: ELA on February 14, 2025, 03:20:58 PM
I agree, but I can run 3-4 miles in a half hour, just walking out my front door and starting. Hiking 10 miles takes a lot longer than that.
Blowing my knee out really hurt my "fun" exercise.  I played tennis and basketball a couple nights week.  Those might be the two worst things to do when you tore through every tendon in your knee.  I still jog, or walk, 4-5 times per week.  Pittsburgh topography makes jogging tough.  But I have to drag myself to do it.  Pre-kids, I jogged constantly.  I'd get up at 5 am to jog.  Now, I can't do that, and I'm also sick of it, because it's my only exercise.
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Post by: ELA on February 14, 2025, 03:24:09 PM
Yup, exactly.  I don't have a ton of time, I'm running before work most days, so I need to get it done in a half-hour.  Right now I'm doing 3 mile per day 3 days per week during the week, and then a 5-6 miler on one of the weekend days.  I can knock out the 3 miles and take a shower in just over 30 minutes, and then get to work.
I wonder if I need to change it up, because my daily 3 miler has only gotten slower.  I can't hit the Pittsburgh hills like I did a decade ago, and when I jog while back visiting parents in Michigan I'm always surprised how "Pittsburgh flat" isn't actually flat*.  But even on the treadmill I've gone from 23 minutes to do 3 miles to 29.

*-my normal "flat" jogging route in Pittsburgh tricks my watch into thinking I've also done 17 flights of stairs.  My whatever Michigan route doesn't even register elevation changes.
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 14, 2025, 03:56:25 PM
Blowing my knee out really hurt my "fun" exercise.  I played tennis and basketball a couple nights week.  Those might be the two worst things to do when you tore through every tendon in your knee.  I still jog, or walk, 4-5 times per week.  Pittsburgh topography makes jogging tough.  But I have to drag myself to do it.  Pre-kids, I jogged constantly.  I'd get up at 5 am to jog.  Now, I can't do that, and I'm also sick of it, because it's my only exercise.
Swimming?
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 14, 2025, 03:58:52 PM
The reason I've been able to make my cycling fairly consistent is that it's become my commute several days a week. For an extra 30 minutes in commute time, I add an hour ten of aerobic exercise. I could build a run into my morning routine instead, but I rather enjoy the ride, and somehow it's easier to force myself to do it when I use it as my method of getting to work.
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Post by: ELA on February 14, 2025, 04:17:16 PM
Swimming?
Now you are asking me to take my shirt off?

But seriously, yes.  Problem is, with 3 small children, I can't get in the pool at 6am and be out and showered before 7 like I can on a treadmill.  All of my ortho doctors have suggested it, and I've asked if they are willing to get my kinds on the bus
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 14, 2025, 06:00:03 PM
The left knee being replaced in 1 week.  Then, 6 weeks later, the right.    

Years of football, basketball, volleyball, sand volleyball, etc.  And here we are.  

Can’t jog or even walk up stairs comfortably.    Spent my whole life moving.  Healthy in every other way.  Got to fix it.   

Not looking forward to it, but going to battle to get the strength and range of motion back. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 14, 2025, 06:05:41 PM
I was thinking today about the lawyers we've had here on the board over the years (and still have).

I think I would've liked studying law.  I don't know that I would've liked being a lawyer, but just learning the finer points of it and discussing it in an academic environment, I mean. 

I used to work a job for a number of years that required a lot of knowledge of oil and gas law (as pertains to the state of Texas, anyway) and probate law.  It was there that I learned to wade through court cases, though in my case it was mostly divorce proceedings and probate decrees....anything that affected how real property title could pass from one entity to another.  There were a lot of people in that business who went to law school and became lawyers, I think aiming to go in-house with oil companies, maybe.  Sometimes though, they would just get law degrees to get them, and they kept working the same jobs.  I never understood that...I thought if you took the trouble and expense to put yourself through law school, you surely would not want to keep working the job we were doing, although it did tend to afford them some more interesting roles.  

Sometimes I would meet young lawyers who were just starting out, working for crews just like mine.  Again, I didn't understand, why in the world do my job instead of practicing law somewhere?  They told me it was because the legal profession around the cities they were from (a lot from San Antonio, as I recall) was saturated and they were doing this until they were able to get a real "lawyer job." 

One of my coworkers went to law school and I remember when he passed the bar.  He brought either a copy or a sample copy to the office one day and we were interested to see the oil and gas section, and if we could answer the questions.  There was only like 5 questions, but written answers, no multiple choice or anything like that, but I knew all the answers.  Our crew chief came out and wanted to know what we were looking at, we told him we were trying to see if we could pass the O&G portion of the bar, so he took a look at the questions, nodded, and said we better be able to, and he'd probably fire anybody who couldn't answer those (he wasn't serious). 

Anyway, I've idly wondered if there are any good primers, particularly on things like constitutional law.  Not necessarily legal textbooks, but information compiled for a layperson who wants to get solid on the basics beyond what they teach you (or not, anymore) in Civics class.  I asked one friend of mine, but she didn't have much of an answer.  I know you can google books, but I'd much rather have had the recommendation of someone I know and knew exactly what I was looking for. 

All that to say, as much as I like to argue with people, maybe I missed my calling as a trial lawyer.  
 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 14, 2025, 06:11:07 PM
I agree, but I can run 3-4 miles in a half hour, just walking out my front door and starting. Hiking 10 miles takes a lot longer than that.
Yeah, and don't get me wrong... I haven't been hiking in a LONG time. 


My oldest has started picking it up, but the problem there is that if I want to hike with him, it'll be when I've got the kids which means I'm leaving my wife home with the other two kids. Which I can do, but it's not a regular thing. 

The closest I get to hiking these days is trying to follow my golf ball into some of the unfortunate places I hit it :57:

I'm actually thinking about getting into mountain biking. A couple of my regular golf buddies have done it, and we've got some amazing trails around here (i.e. much like hiking). I bought a mountain bike but it's basically been hanging unused in my garage because I don't have anyone to go with and I'm wary of going alone as I've never done it. 

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 14, 2025, 06:19:57 PM
I was thinking today about the lawyers we've had here on the board over the years (and still have).

I think I would've liked studying law.  I don't know that I would've liked being a lawyer, but just learning the finer points of it and discussing it in an academic environment, I mean. 
I think I've got the aptitude for it. 

At Purdue, there was a freshman course called ENGR 100, which was basically just a seminar course where people from various engineering disciplines would come in and talk about their jobs and what they do. Sort of a thing for anyone who maybe wasn't 100% certain what type of engineering they wanted to do. 

One of those was patent law. Which is getting an bachelor's degree in engineering, then going to 3 years of law school, plus one ADDITIONAL year for patent law... 

Back in 1996, they said the starting salary for a patent lawyer was $90-160K/year. Let's just say that the starting salary for an electrical engineer in the heart of Silicon Valley in the middle of the dot.com bubble 4 years later... Wasn't remotely quite that!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 14, 2025, 06:28:06 PM
So what are you fellas doing for V-Day? 

For my wife and I, going out to a restaurant on this occasion is similar to what Badge says [and I agree with] re: going out to a bar on NYE. It's amateur hour. We cook, and we cook well, so we're not going to go out to an overcrowded restaurant and try to deal with the crazies. 

We had a long week and were having trouble figuring out what to do, so we're going pretty traditional. Steak, baked potato, a wedge salad, and a really nice bottle of wine from our stash. 

Got myself about a 21 oz ribeye and my wife an 8 oz filet at our good butcher shop. So I'll follow my usual of searing the ribeye on the small kamado grill and finishing in the oven, while her filet will be wrapped in bacon, cooked sous vide, and then seared on the kamado. 

She'll handle the potato and the salad, but basically traditional.

How about all of you?
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 14, 2025, 06:57:15 PM
The long ball.  Chicks love the long ball. 😂
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 14, 2025, 07:16:59 PM
1) Law school is about learning how to think like a lawyer; the phrase that gets kicked around is "issue spotting." That's really what the bar exams (at least the written portions) test: can you identify the problems presented.

2) It's a good question about where to find primers on law school education. Reading cases is the main thing. There are some classics. Without being patronizing: Marbury vs. Madison is the foundation of our theory of judicial power. Palsgraf v. Long Island Railroad is a classic on the theory of "duty" owed to other people. Miranda v. Arizona, Gideon v. Ogden, and Mapp v. Ohio give you a pretty good primer on rights of a criminal defendant. McCullough v. Maryland is good for congressional powers. Griswold v. Connecticut is pretty good on individual privacy. Erie Railroad v. Tompkins for the limits of federal vs. state law. But now you've piqued my curiosity about where to find a non-law school primer...

3) For Valentine's Day I'm absorbing some nasty looks for having agreed to referee a high school soccer game that starts at 7, trying to make up for it (a little) with a nice box of chocolates, and looking forward to a lovely bottle of wine afterwards, while we worry about what our 17-year old is up to with his girlfriend.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 14, 2025, 07:52:12 PM
Following up in the few minutes before I stop looking at a computer today, if I could distill American legal thinking and judicial opinions to four concepts, I think these are they:

1) We need reliable evidence, not people's opinions (hooray for the British common law for this one).
2) We need clearly understandable rules.
3) Whatever the source of the rule, there is a point at which enforcing it becomes absurd. So we look for a way to define that point (and the more we trust the source of the rule, i.e., the more democratic it is, the more absurd the outcome has to be for us to reject the rule.)
4) Our written constitutions (federal and state) set out the framework for determining who gets to set the rules, and what the limits of those rules are. But even the constitutions are limited to avoid the absurd.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 14, 2025, 08:41:02 PM
So a Blues Album Cover 😎
(https://i.imgur.com/m3M5BiI.jpeg)
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2025, 10:18:39 PM
Quit monkeying around ya hoser I've seen neither of them behind my house in the woods playing poker with Hoffa,DB Cooper,the yeti,Amelia, the NJ Devil and the mothman, swilling jaegermeister along with Rumple Minze Peppermint schnapps
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 14, 2025, 10:23:31 PM
this guy gets it
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LeRMHjGd-xk?feature=share
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2025, 08:40:19 AM
We went to The Perfect Caper for Linner (2:30PM). And it was awesome.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 15, 2025, 09:18:09 AM
Quit monkeying around ya hoser I've seen neither of them behind my house in the woods playing poker with Hoffa,DB Cooper,the yeti,Amelia, the NJ Devil and the mothman, swilling jaegermeister along with Rumple Minze Peppermint schnapps
https://youtu.be/wfwkYkrvyX8

My favorite Ice Fishin sipper
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 15, 2025, 09:20:03 AM
Apolitical.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 15, 2025, 09:36:02 AM
it's just chickens  ;)

not the all powerful egg lobby
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 15, 2025, 03:48:23 PM
Mmmm... Still in line, but I think this'll be good

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Post by: bayareabadger on February 15, 2025, 04:20:15 PM
Mmmm... Still in line, but I think this'll be good


V good. What’s the place?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 15, 2025, 05:03:42 PM
V good. What’s the place?
Heritage Barbecue, San Juan Capistrano.

Best BBQ that I've ever had in CA... I mean that didn't come from my backyard 😂
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 15, 2025, 05:04:21 PM
(I say that but it's REALLY good... Probably better than mine lol...)
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Post by: FearlessF on February 15, 2025, 05:34:26 PM
had some VERY good Texas style BBQ at the Humble Pig Smokery in Clear Lake, SD

the brisket just melts in my mouth
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Post by: utee94 on February 15, 2025, 06:56:47 PM
Looks legit bwar
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Post by: FearlessF on February 15, 2025, 07:42:40 PM
it's just chickens  ;)

not the all powerful egg lobby
(https://i.imgur.com/BeAYKvA.jpeg)
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 16, 2025, 07:21:49 PM
ECO friendly Engineer
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/57QBueEV7Fo?feature=share
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Post by: Gigem on February 17, 2025, 02:53:17 PM
Well, my son is a Sr at Sam Houston in construction management. He just got a job offer for a major company. Shade under $100k, but it means he will probably need to move out of state. So I’m super happy and sad at the same time. 
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Post by: ELA on February 17, 2025, 04:51:03 PM
Love how we had to basically cancel the Pro Bowl; the Olympics is about the only time we get the best basketball players to try on the global stage, and even still it's not always; and the WBC can't always get the best players.

Meanwhile the NHL puts the 4 Nations tournament in the middle of the season, and USA-Canada have 3 fights in 9 seconds.

Hockey players man
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 17, 2025, 06:51:50 PM
Well, my son is a Sr at Sam Houston in construction management. He just got a job offer for a major company. Shade under $100k, but it means he will probably need to move out of state. So I’m super happy and sad at the same time.
I hear you... My son wants to be a nuclear engineer. If all goes well, he might end up at a great college in California. Good chance if he can't get into Berkeley, he'll end up somewhere else--which is fine. He should get a chance to broaden his horizons and move away for school. 

But the big thing with NucE is that he's going to have a much smaller likelihood of finding a job anywhere near here. 

I've got a couple of fraternity brothers who went into BCM. One of them (from Purdue) spent a good two decades in Tucson/California, and is now back in Indianapolis. His firm did a lot of building for hospitals/healthcare stuff... 
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Post by: Mdot21 on February 17, 2025, 06:53:40 PM
Love how we had to basically cancel the Pro Bowl; the Olympics is about the only time we get the best basketball players to try on the global stage, and even still it's not always; and the WBC can't always get the best players.

Meanwhile the NHL puts the 4 Nations tournament in the middle of the season, and USA-Canada have 3 fights in 9 seconds.

Hockey players man
shouldn't have booed our national anthem. those puck slapping maple suckers fucked around and found out.
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Post by: ELA on February 17, 2025, 09:46:44 PM
It's performative, but I love it
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Post by: ELA on February 17, 2025, 09:47:19 PM
shouldn't have booed our national anthem. those puck slapping maple suckers fucked around and found out.
(https://cdn-tor.buminteractif.com/2025/02/16021611/Capture-decran-2025-02-15-201130-1-1.jpg)
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 18, 2025, 09:32:59 AM
"Puck slapping maple suckers" is my favorite description of Canadians I've ever seen. 

I gotta call my Canadian friend and try that out on him.  
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Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2025, 09:35:17 AM
I have a friend at work from Canada.  He loves it when I refer to his home country as 

(https://i.imgur.com/whMfNFY.jpeg)
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Post by: Riffraft on February 18, 2025, 12:47:29 PM
Well, my son is a Sr at Sam Houston in construction management. He just got a job offer for a major company. Shade under $100k, but it means he will probably need to move out of state. So I’m super happy and sad at the same time.
Depending on his exact position and the size of the projects, he may spend a number years living 4 month here, 9 months there, a year the next place. I was in the construction industry most of my career as a CPA and the guys that ran the project were basically nomads. 
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Post by: Gigem on February 18, 2025, 01:35:16 PM
I hear you... My son wants to be a nuclear engineer. If all goes well, he might end up at a great college in California. Good chance if he can't get into Berkeley, he'll end up somewhere else--which is fine. He should get a chance to broaden his horizons and move away for school.

But the big thing with NucE is that he's going to have a much smaller likelihood of finding a job anywhere near here.

I've got a couple of fraternity brothers who went into BCM. One of them (from Purdue) spent a good two decades in Tucson/California, and is now back in Indianapolis. His firm did a lot of building for hospitals/healthcare stuff...
Years ago, I asked about NucE.  I was told that it was kind of a dying field, that very very few new reactors (zero for ~30 years) would be built and that they were closing more and more plants all over.  What I was told is that it would be better to have a different degree, like MechE or ChemE, and then try to get into the Nuclear business, than have a NucE, and try to get into another field like ChemE.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 18, 2025, 01:54:46 PM
Depending on his exact position and the size of the projects, he may spend a number years living 4 month here, 9 months there, a year the next place. I was in the construction industry most of my career as a CPA and the guys that ran the project were basically nomads.
Yep, that was my buddy's experience. Was in Tucson for a while for a couple of projects. Then his company was expanding into CA, and he ended up on the central coast for a while for a big project. He got lucky getting moved down to San Diego for several years, but at least one project he would leave San Diego early every Monday morning to drive north of LA to the job site, stay in a hotel all week, and drive back on Friday. I'm guessing that if he hadn't been married, he'd have just said screw it and moved up there for the project. 

Years ago, I asked about NucE.  I was told that it was kind of a dying field, that very very few new reactors (zero for ~30 years) would be built and that they were closing more and more plants all over.  What I was told is that it would be better to have a different degree, like MechE or ChemE, and then try to get into the Nuclear business, than have a NucE, and try to get into another field like ChemE. 
It seems like the world is moving towards a revival of nuclear power. That said it seems like a stable but low-employment field compared to things like EE. BLS projects (https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/nuclear-engineers.htm#:~:text=Nuclear engineers monitor nuclear facility,engineers research new reactor designs.) a 1% decline over the next decade in employment, but with continual new jobs being created by older workers retiring out of the field. 

I'm not sure it would have been what I recommend, but it's his life and his decision. If I thought it was an objectively bad idea, I'd tell him. But honestly, the schools he's looking at are going to have amazing engineering programs in the other disciplines, as well as in the hard sciences, so if he gets there and realizes it's not the right major for him, he should be able to swap into something else pretty easily. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 18, 2025, 02:25:01 PM
And as always, kids go to college, suddenly decided that what they wanted to do with the start of college isn’t what they want to do, pivot as needed.
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Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2025, 02:35:49 PM
And as always, kids go to college, suddenly decided that what they wanted to do with the start of college isn’t what they want to do, pivot as needed.
Yeah, it's just a lot more expensive to do that in 2025, than it was in 1990.
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 18, 2025, 02:40:33 PM
Yeah, it's just a lot more expensive to do that in 2025, than it was in 1990.
I grew up on stories about how a family member changed majors three times, but could pay for room, board and tuition with a campus job. 

What a time that must’ve been. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 18, 2025, 02:43:56 PM
I often wonder if there is a good thing to do for a gap year that could help a kid find some direction and pushback starting the clock on college. Well, one that didn’t eat money or wasn’t the military.
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Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2025, 02:46:12 PM
I grew up on stories about how a family member changed majors three times, but could pay for room, board and tuition with a campus job.

What a time that must’ve been.
My i s c & a aggie wife spent 2.5 years as a business major and hated it.  During her junior year she figured out she wanted to be a Physical Therapist so she pivoted to kinesiology for her undergrad degree, and lost about a year and a half of credit.  Her folks were paying for her school and they could afford it, but there's no way I could have done the same.
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Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2025, 02:47:19 PM
I often wonder if there is a good thing to do for a gap year that could help a kid find some direction and pushback starting the clock on college. Well, one that didn’t eat money or wasn’t the military.
Yeah I think it's a great idea for a lot of kids.  My 17yo daughter would almost certainly benefit from one. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 18, 2025, 02:55:25 PM
Yeah I think it's a great idea for a lot of kids.  My 17yo daughter would almost certainly benefit from one.
In theory just working some job that would take an 18-year-old would do the trick, but you’d have to contend with some level of social stigma some folks feel (on a range of fronts) questions of if a kid moves out, natural clashes if they don’t.

Definitely some kinks to work through. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 18, 2025, 02:58:42 PM
Community college and internships. That's the way.
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Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2025, 03:16:06 PM
Community college and internships. That's the way.
I think that's a good solution for some kids.  And I think some kids just need to get a job and work.

Once they start figuring out that entry-level jobs are NOT something they want to do forever, they might gain some clarity on what they actually might LIKE to do in order to pay the bills.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 18, 2025, 03:18:44 PM
I think that's a good solution for some kids.  And I think some kids just need to get a job and work.

Once they start figuring out that entry-level jobs are NOT something they want to do forever, they might gain some clarity on what they actually might LIKE to do in order to pay the bills.
Hell, I worked from the time I was 13 until the end of HS. Just summers when I was 13 and 14, but started working year-round by the time I was a sophomore in HS.

I didn't need a gap year to teach me any lessons. I had MORE than enough experience to know I didn't want to be a Sandwich Artist or a sales floor guy selling PCs at Best Buy as an adult :57:
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Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2025, 03:26:27 PM
Hell, I worked from the time I was 13 until the end of HS. Just summers when I was 13 and 14, but started working year-round by the time I was a sophomore in HS.

I didn't need a gap year to teach me any lessons. I had MORE than enough experience to know I didn't want to be a Sandwich Artist or a sales floor guy selling PCs at Best Buy as an adult :57:
Yeah that's for sure. I worked summers from 9th grade on, and Christmas breaks as well.  I sold men's clothing at a local department store.  My buddy had a job at The Gap which was considered much cooler but I actually made commission on sales above a quota, and he was straight minimum wage.
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Post by: jgvol on February 18, 2025, 04:03:51 PM
I think the key is, no matter what they do in the gap year -- it needs to be near complete independence from the parents, or as much as will allow.

Working a crap job, while still living with your folks, doesn't teach much.  It may offer them more disposable income to entertain themselves with, but not much else -- in my experience.

That's what the military did for son #1, and soon to do for son #2 -- remove the protective cocoon.  Mom and Dad aren't there to save you, nor guide you.  As close as you can get to tossing them into the deep end of the pool, but with some nice guardrails -- i.e Uncle Sam.

Son # 1 returned to me 40 lbs heavier, 100 times smarter, and 1,000 times more mature.  He's done well.

Obviously not an option for everyone, but illustrates the point I'm intending to make.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 18, 2025, 04:10:40 PM
I often wonder if there is a good thing to do for a gap year that could help a kid find some direction and pushback starting the clock on college. Well, one that didn’t eat money or wasn’t the military.
I think the key is, no matter what they do in the gap year -- it needs to be near complete independence from the parents, or as much as will allow.

Working a crap job, while still living with your folks, doesn't teach much.  It may offer them more disposable income to entertain themselves with, but not much else -- in my experience.

That's what the military did for son #1, and soon to do for son #2 -- remove the protective cocoon.  Mom and Dad aren't there to save you, nor guide you.  As close as you can get to tossing them into the deep end of the pool, but with some nice guardrails -- i.e Uncle Sam.

Son # 1 returned to me 40 lbs heavier, 100 times smarter, and 1,000 times more mature.  He's done well.

Obviously not an option for everyone, but illustrates the point I'm intending to make.

I think military is a great option for some kids.  I don't think it's a great option for everyone, and that's mostly what I'm responding to from bab's post.  We've got to find a path for these kids that can provide a gap year of experience and maturation, that isn't the military, since the military isn't the ideal path for everyone.
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Post by: jgvol on February 18, 2025, 04:15:21 PM
I think military is a great option for some kids.  I don't think it's a great option for everyone, and that's mostly what I'm responding to from bab's post.  We've got to find a path for these kids that can provide a gap year of experience and maturation, that isn't the military, since the military isn't the ideal path for everyone.

Yep.  Just making the point to maximize gap year effectiveness.  "The growing up" and not relying on mom and dad is the key aspect to build the maturity, decision making skills, and confidence building to jumpstart success, and clear their minds on -- what do I really want to do, and what will it take.

Someone should start a program for gap year folks.  Something similar to Peace Corps, or something.  A year of guardrails -- independent of mom and dad saving the day.
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 18, 2025, 04:17:02 PM
I think the key is, no matter what they do in the gap year -- it needs to be near complete independence from the parents, or as much as will allow.

Working a crap job, while still living with your folks, doesn't teach much.  It may offer them more disposable income to entertain themselves with, but not much else -- in my experience.

That's what the military did for son #1, and soon to do for son #2 -- remove the protective cocoon.  Mom and Dad aren't there to save you, nor guide you.  As close as you can get to tossing them into the deep end of the pool, but with some nice guardrails -- i.e Uncle Sam.

Son # 1 returned to me 40 lbs heavier, 100 times smarter, and 1,000 times more mature.  He's done well.

Obviously not an option for everyone, but illustrates the point I'm intending to make.
My question is always about the guardrails.

Eighteen year olds living on their own, finding their own housing sounds like a recipe for a lot of kids getting themselves into all sorts of trouble. (shit, those military kids get themselves into a fair amount of trouble as is, and they have drill sergeants on their asses)

Although living at home doesn’t seem like an ideal structure, I’d take it over nothing.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on February 18, 2025, 04:24:22 PM
My question is always about the guardrails.

Eighteen year olds living on their own, finding their own housing sounds like a recipe for a lot of kids getting themselves into all sorts of trouble. (shit, those military kids get themselves into a fair amount of trouble as is, and they have drill sergeants on their asses)

Although living at home doesn’t seem like an ideal structure, I’d take it over nothing.

For sure -- it's a tough question/topic.  It really is, and an interesting one to me.

Sometimes getting in a little trouble is part of the process --- learning consequences for your actions in the real world (not us dads giving a stern talking to.)

Maybe a teen to adult year long boot camp of sorts (for good kids).  Physical fitness/nutrition education, personal finance courses, cooking, laundry, work/life balance, teamwork.  Staying in a barracks type housing unit, or dorm --- away from mom and dad. 

Complete the course, and off to university you go!  Maybe even incentivize colleges to give course credits, and perhaps a discount for tuition.  Similar to drivers ed, except this would be for forging more mature students.

Sounds like a great business idea.  Somebody probably has this type thing going somewhere.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 18, 2025, 04:40:15 PM
Can you even do one year of military service?  I thought you had to sign up for longer than that, which would make it a non-starter for any gap-year options.  

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The military is better for more people than I would've guessed.  My aunt adopted 4 siblings later in life, giving me new cousins when I was already grown.  I forget how old they were when she adopted them, but they all looked much younger than they actually were due to major abuse and neglect.  The damage that was done to them was more severe the younger they got.  The youngest took the most abuse, and consequently he is clinically mentally retarded and will never live alone or have a normal life.  

Second oldest was also a boy, and I couldn't honestly say what a clinical assessment would decide (though I'm sure they were done), but my guess is his IQ is somewhere below normal.  Not anything that would immediately make you think "this kid is disabled," but if you're around him long enough, you begin to see some differences.  Not someone for whom I would've thought military life is a good idea.

He joined the Air Force about 10 years ago and it's been amazing for him.  He'll never have a high-skilled job and he won't move up the ranks very much.  He works a warehouse, checking equipment in and out and managing inventory (I think).  But it's given him a job, a purpose, and an opportunity to see more of the world.  He's married now, and crazy thing is, he can retire in about 10 years, if he wanted to.  The Air Force was a fantastic decision for him.  And for them too, I reckon....while he has his limits, he's as trustworthy and duty-driven as they come. 

I guess that's a little different than what y'all are talking about, so don't mind my rambling.  But damn, we are proud of that kid, and I think a lot of other avenues he could've tried may not have went as well.  
 
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 18, 2025, 05:22:57 PM
Can you even do one year of military service?  I thought you had to sign up for longer than that, which would make it a non-starter for any gap-year options. 

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The military is better for more people than I would've guessed.  My aunt adopted 4 siblings later in life, giving me new cousins when I was already grown.  I forget how old they were when she adopted them, but they all looked much younger than they actually were due to major abuse and neglect.  The damage that was done to them was more severe the younger they got.  The youngest took the most abuse, and consequently he is clinically mentally retarded and will never live alone or have a normal life. 

Second oldest was also a boy, and I couldn't honestly say what a clinical assessment would decide (though I'm sure they were done), but my guess is his IQ is somewhere below normal.  Not anything that would immediately make you think "this kid is disabled," but if you're around him long enough, you begin to see some differences.  Not someone for whom I would've thought military life is a good idea.

He joined the Air Force about 10 years ago and it's been amazing for him.  He'll never have a high-skilled job and he won't move up the ranks very much.  He works a warehouse, checking equipment in and out and managing inventory (I think).  But it's given him a job, a purpose, and an opportunity to see more of the world.  He's married now, and crazy thing is, he can retire in about 10 years, if he wanted to.  The Air Force was a fantastic decision for him.  And for them too, I reckon....while he has his limits, he's as trustworthy and duty-driven as they come. 

I guess that's a little different than what y'all are talking about, so don't mind my rambling.  But damn, we are proud of that kid, and I think a lot of other avenues he could've tried may not have went as well. 
 
I used to live in a big military base. A friend of a friend who worked there had an interesting outlook on that certain thing.

Basically said that the military was good at finding things for people to do. As long as you were putting an effort, they often could find some kind of way to put you to work.
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Post by: Gigem on February 19, 2025, 09:23:21 AM
Depending on his exact position and the size of the projects, he may spend a number years living 4 month here, 9 months there, a year the next place. I was in the construction industry most of my career as a CPA and the guys that ran the project were basically nomads.
They really haven't told him a lot yet, but he expects something like this.  It's a lot of money for somebody who basically never made more than what you can working summers and part-time.  Wait until he finds about "deductions and taxes".  He's already talking about buying a piece of property and building what he calls a home base with a barndominium where he can keep his things if he's truly moving around/traveling for the next 1-5 years. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 20, 2025, 10:15:10 AM
I just learned that the baseball coach for the college I work at played for LSU and later became an assistant coach, including on the 2009 CWS-winning team.  It's almost enough to make me care about this little podunk team.  I see they travel to both College Station and Austin this season.  It'll be a slaughter, but I'll root for the upset.  
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Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 10:55:00 AM
I just learned that the baseball coach for the college I work at played for LSU and later became an assistant coach, including on the 2009 CWS-winning team.  It's almost enough to make me care about this little podunk team.  I see they travel to both College Station and Austin this season.  It'll be a slaughter, but I'll root for the upset. 
(https://i.imgur.com/HnOtht4.png)

Too soon.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 20, 2025, 11:13:00 AM
Don't be bitter.  Augie was drunk the whole time and not really trying anyway.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2025, 01:33:08 PM
Car batteries...

Anyone have any info on whether buying from Costco is a good idea? 

Got in the Jeep yesterday to go to the office, and the damn thing didn't start... I don't drive it often enough, so I have a trickle charger to keep it going. I'd had it on the trickle charger starting Monday and took it off Tuesday evening... I've also been having issues with my amplifier cutting out (going into self-protect) at high volume which makes me think it was from under-voltage and the battery was dying anyway. 

I'm probably going to take it down to AutoZone today for a free battery test, but I'm wondering if it makes sense to get it replaced at AutoZone or just wait until I go to Costco tomorrow...
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2025, 01:35:25 PM
Go with Interstate.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2025, 01:37:18 PM
I've found the less expensive battery is just as likely to last more than 5 years as the more expensive type.
I think it's more about luck
They are all expensive these days
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 01:37:28 PM
Car batteries...

Anyone have any info on whether buying from Costco is a good idea?

Got in the Jeep yesterday to go to the office, and the damn thing didn't start... I don't drive it often enough, so I have a trickle charger to keep it going. I'd had it on the trickle charger starting Monday and took it off Tuesday evening... I've also been having issues with my amplifier cutting out (going into self-protect) at high volume which makes me think it was from under-voltage and the battery was dying anyway.

I'm probably going to take it down to AutoZone today for a free battery test, but I'm wondering if it makes sense to get it replaced at AutoZone or just wait until I go to Costco tomorrow...


You're an electrical engineer, you should know the answer to this. :)

I'll say that in my experience with car batteries, you get what you pay for.  And, they ALL fail too soon, so getting one with the best warranty/support is usually the best option.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2025, 01:41:10 PM
Batteries lasted 5+ years in Illinois. Lucky to get 3 years here.
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Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 01:48:53 PM
Batteries lasted 5+ years in Illinois. Lucky to get 3 years here.
Interesting.  I don't think I've ever had a battery last more than 4 years, even the very best ones.  3 years is pretty average here, as well.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2025, 01:50:30 PM
Go with Interstate.
That's what Costco sells.

You're an electrical engineer, you should know the answer to this. :)

I'll say that in my experience with car batteries, you get what you pay for.  And, they ALL fail too soon, so getting one with the best warranty/support is usually the best option.

Apparently Costco did change their warranty process to prorated instead of free replacement, a couple years ago, according to some searching online. It seems like (much like electronics) people were abusing the warranty by waiting until their battery was just short of the end of the warranty, coming in and saying "it's dead" since Costco doesn't test batteries, and getting brand new ones free. 

But for cost, AutoZone apparently only has two cheaper "group size 34" batteries at $80 and $110 batteries with very short warranties, compared to Costco's Interstate w/ 3 year prorated warranty for $120. Everything else at Autozone is $180 or higher, and you have to go $210 or more to get a 3 year replacement warranty. And you don't get the same cold cranking amps (800) out of any battery lower than the $210 model... 

So it sounds like Costco is the answer lol...
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2025, 01:52:55 PM
Seems heat is worse for battery longevity than cold, if the internet is to be believed. Counterintuitively, batteries don't WORK better in cold, but they might actually last longer. 

https://scottsauto.com/the-effects-of-heat-and-cold-on-car-batteries/
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 01:55:46 PM
Seems heat is worse for battery longevity than cold, if the internet is to be believed. Counterintuitively, batteries don't WORK better in cold, but they might actually last longer.

https://scottsauto.com/the-effects-of-heat-and-cold-on-car-batteries/
Yeah I'd never thought about it until badgerfan just stated how long batteries last in Illinois, comparatively.

They definitely don't work better in the cold.  Both yesterday and this morning, with temps around 15 degrees, my truck had a difficult time starting.  I should note that it sits outside, while my wife's and daughter's cars get to stay in the warm comfy garage.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2025, 02:02:58 PM
2015 Silverado - Delco original was good for about 4 years, replaced with interstate, about 5 years, I put a cheap one in a year ago.
we shall see..........

2017 Impala - replaced the original last year, 7 years!!!
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 20, 2025, 02:03:53 PM
15° in Austin???? Weird indeed
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Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 02:04:03 PM
2015 Silverado - Delco original was good for about 4 years, replaced with interstate, about 5 years, I put a cheap one in a year ago.
we shall see..........

2017 Impala - replaced the original last year, 7 years!!!
Man you'd be lucky to get 3 years here in Texas.   You definitely don't want to move here.
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Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 02:08:28 PM
15° in Austin???? Weird indeed
Yeah we get a few days like this each year, and usually some of the worst are toward the end of February.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2025, 02:08:38 PM
15° in Austin???? Weird indeed
cover your pipes!
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Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 02:10:16 PM
cover your pipes!
I cover the outdoor faucets, and I drip the only interior one that's against an exterior wall, plus open the cabinet doors to that one.  It made it through the week-long freeze back in 2021 so I guess it's good enough.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2025, 02:16:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/n40ZUUG.jpeg)
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 20, 2025, 02:20:01 PM
Interesting.  I don't think I've ever had a battery last more than 4 years, even the very best ones.  3 years is pretty average here, as well.

For much of my life, my car batteries lasted right at 5 years, almost on the dot.  In the last ~10 years I'm getting not-quite-3-years out of them.  People tell me the humidity (or heat?  or both?) of our climate is hell on batteries.....I don't know anything about that.  But the humidity in Louisiana is even worse than southeast Texas, so I don't think that's the significant change. 

More of that planned obsolescence BRAD tells me isn't happening. 
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Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 02:23:00 PM
For much of my life, my car batteries lasted right at 5 years, almost on the dot.  In the last ~10 years I'm getting not-quite-3-years out of them.  People tell me the humidity of our climate is hell on batteries.....I don't know anything about that.  But the humidity in Louisiana is even worse than southeast Texas, so I don't think that's the significant change. 

More of that planned obsolescence BRAD tells me isn't happening. 
I think bwar has mostly made the point that it's not intentional, but rather a result of manufacturers producing cheaper and cheaper crap because that's all that the market will tolerate.  I'd tend to agree with that.  They don't need to plan for shorter product lifetimes and earlier product failures, when the customers are already insisting upon it through their buying choices.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 20, 2025, 02:33:46 PM
I thought about him last weekend when my water heater was out.  He asked me, seemingly incredulously, which of my appliances didn't have a good track record, I told him all of them, and then I think I was out for the holidays and didn't see his response.  But I'm certainly not imagining having to do work (or pay to have work done) on a slew of appliances that aren't but a few years old.  

Don't think my water heater was on that list, but at 1.5 years old, it quit working over the weekend.  Fortunately, whatever glitch it was having was just a computer glitch, and a quick flip of the breaker off and back on fixed it, and it began heating the water again.  

The old one I replaced was ~18 years old, and in today's world, I feel like that's more than I could've expected from a water heater.  Lot of people have told me theirs don't even last that long.  
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 20, 2025, 02:34:40 PM
 They don't need to plan for shorter product lifetimes and earlier product failures, when the customers are already insisting upon it through their buying choices.
So asking for fair performance at a fair price is asking for it? Maybe they've been misled to believe that spending more than you use to would at least get them as far as the same class battery did previously
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 20, 2025, 02:36:19 PM

The old one I replaced was ~18 years old, and in today's world, I feel like that's more than I could've expected from a water heater.  Lot of people have told me theirs don't even last half that long. 
FIFY
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2025, 02:41:49 PM
I think bwar has mostly made the point that it's not intentional, but rather a result of manufacturers producing cheaper and cheaper crap because that's all that the market will tolerate.  I'd tend to agree with that.  They don't need to plan for shorter product lifetimes and earlier product failures, when the customers are already insisting upon it through their buying choices.
Exactly.

I can price-shop batteries from my couch. Price and warranty are not the ONLY determinant of what battery I buy, but it's a pretty big consideration. 

They have some really nice looking AGM batteries on the Autozone web site that are $300+. I think it's a superior technology and they'd probably last longer than the $120 wet cell battery from Costco. But that's pointless for a vehicle that probably gets driven less than 2000 miles/year.

They also have wet cell batteries that have 3-year free replacement warranty for $210, compared to the $120 from Costco with a prorated warranty. Which means if the battery lasts 3+ years, I save $90. If the battery lasts between 2.25 and 3 years, I end up spending SLIGHTLY over $210, a max of $240, to have it replaced. If the battery fails in <2.25 years, the replacement battery cost will be less than $90 and I'll have spent less than $210. The only downside of replacing early is that the early replacement is likely on a prorated warranty, so it can start adding up if I have multiple batteries all failing in less than 3 years. 

And ultimately, we're talking about $120. I shouldn't overthink it--as I've obviously done already by typing all of that...

So in this case the economics of paying for potentially higher quality may not make the most sense, ESPECIALLY as I have no guarantee of higher quality as a lay consumer. 

Of course, it's moot because I just went out there to look at it and find out how old the battery was, and remove it for testing, and I noticed that one of the connections was loose. After tightening that down, it started right up lol...
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2025, 02:43:51 PM
I thought about him last weekend when my water heater was out.  He asked me, seemingly incredulously, which of my appliances didn't have a good track record, I told him all of them, and then I think I was out for the holidays and didn't see his response.  But I'm certainly not imagining having to do work (or pay to have work done) on a slew of appliances that aren't but a few years old. 

Don't think my water heater was on that list, but at 1.5 years old, it quit working over the weekend.  Fortunately, whatever glitch it was having was just a computer glitch, and a quick flip of the breaker off and back on fixed it, and it began heating the water again. 

The old one I replaced was ~18 years old, and in today's world, I feel like that's more than I could've expected from a water heater.  Lot of people have told me theirs don't even last that long. 
I've been involved in managing rental property for almost 50 years so I have a LOT of experience with water heaters and my take is that it is extremely random. I have replaced 40 year old units and I've replaced five year old units.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 20, 2025, 02:53:28 PM
I've been involved in managing rental property for almost 50 years so I have a LOT of experience with water heaters and my take is that it is extremely random. I have replaced 40 year old units and I've replaced five year old units.

My grandma's has got to be 40+ years old.  It's gas tho, so I don't know if that makes any difference.  Mine's electric.  

All of her appliances are either hella-old, or they were hella-old when they finally got replaced in the relatively recent past.  I should be so lucky.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on February 20, 2025, 03:07:18 PM
My grandma's has got to be 40+ years old.  It's gas tho, so I don't know if that makes any difference.  Mine's electric. 

All of her appliances are either hella-old, or they were hella-old when they finally got replaced in the relatively recent past.  I should be so lucky.
Some of it is just random luck.  My mom called a couple years ago because her disposal quit.  I picked up a new one and installed it.  The unit I took out was from the 1970's so it lasted almost 50 years.  I've also replaced 5 year old disposals.  
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Post by: Gigem on February 20, 2025, 03:09:38 PM
I've been involved in managing rental property for almost 50 years so I have a LOT of experience with water heaters and my take is that it is extremely random. I have replaced 40 year old units and I've replaced five year old units.
teensy bit of a stretch there, considering we were both born in '75.  ;)
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Post by: ELA on February 20, 2025, 03:11:10 PM
We had our washing machine replaced after 8 years, and I said that seemed insane.  My parents replaced theirs after like 20 years simply because they wanted a "nicer" one in 2006, and they've had the same one since.

The repairman we called said 8 years was right in the normal range now.  If you get more than 10, consider yourself lucky, and he's seen <5.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2025, 03:19:42 PM
We had our washing machine replaced after 8 years, and I said that seemed insane.  My parents replaced theirs after like 20 years simply because they wanted a "nicer" one in 2006, and they've had the same one since.

The repairman we called said 8 years was right in the normal range now.  If you get more than 10, consider yourself lucky, and he's seen <5.
We're looking at a new fridge after 5 years (this Fall). I'm out on Samsung for fridges. I'll look at Sub-Zero this time.

Yeah, I know. I might look at Thor.

When the Samsung DW fails, it's back to Bosch.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2025, 03:28:44 PM
Exactly.

Of course, it's moot because I just went out there to look at it and find out how old the battery was, and remove it for testing, and I noticed that one of the connections was loose. After tightening that down, it started right up lol...
that EE degree is paying for itself!
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Post by: FearlessF on February 20, 2025, 03:31:29 PM
emails from Best Buy tell me they are having a big appliance sale

that's great but if my appliances are working properly, I'm not in the market
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Post by: Gigem on February 20, 2025, 03:31:51 PM
Batteries here in SE Texas last about 3 years.  Maybe 5 on the upper range, and 2 on the lower.  I have found that if you have one your not using at least daily, adding a solar cell trickle charger makes it last a really long time, like 7+ years.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 20, 2025, 03:39:56 PM
We're looking at a new fridge after 5 years (this Fall). I'm out on Samsung for fridges. I'll look at Sub-Zero this time.

Yeah, I know. I might look at Thor.

When the Samsung DW fails, it's back to Bosch.

Our Samsung dryer has been nothing but problems.  Washer hasn't been great, but better than the dryer.  They wash and dry great when they're working, and they have a lot of cool features.  But they've had to be repaired a lot.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2025, 04:41:46 PM
The washer sounds like a train wreck. Dryer is fine.

But the next set won't be Samsung, I can tell you that.

The only appliances from them that I like is my induction cooktop and the oven/mic combo.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 20, 2025, 04:51:46 PM
I don't think I'll be getting any brand of side-loader for a washer in the future.  An appliance repairman told me they will usually have more repairs necessary and there's a reason for that, though I don't remember what it is.  They're less common these days, but top loaders are still sold, and that's probably what I'll get next. 

Main thing with the dryer is the circuitry keeps frying.  We try not to run it for more than a load at a time as they suggested, but it still poops out about every 18 months-2 yrs.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2025, 04:55:07 PM
Yeah, we'll get a top loader next time. It's easier to retrieve clothing out of the front loader, but the tops are more reliable.

Everything we have is less than 5 years old (and made during Covid - coincidence??). 
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Post by: jgvol on February 20, 2025, 05:13:20 PM
I know an appliance repairman, and this is what he told me --- specifically about washers and dryers....

Buy the cheapest ones you can, with the least features, and when they crap out --- throw them away and do it again.

And told me to never buy a front loader washer due to the mildew generated due to them not draining completely/properly.

TIFWIW
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Post by: ELA on February 20, 2025, 05:32:12 PM
I know an appliance repairman, and this is what he told me --- specifically about washers and dryers....

Buy the cheapest ones you can, with the least features, and when they crap out --- throw them away and do it again.

And told me to never buy a front loader washer due to the mildew generated due to them not draining completely/properly.

TIFWIW
That's essentially what the washer repairman told us.

He said probably the same with fridges and dishwashers, but people see those, so he gets that you are paying for what the kids call clout
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 20, 2025, 06:03:55 PM
I know an appliance repairman, and this is what he told me --- specifically about washers and dryers....

Buy the cheapest ones you can, with the least features, and when they crap out --- throw them away and do it again.

And told me to never buy a front loader washer due to the mildew generated due to them not draining completely/properly.

TIFWIW
My old man's a TV repairman with awesome tools.

We can fix it.
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Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 07:34:10 PM
Same here, definitely going back to a top-loader on the next washer.  Our fancy side-loader is a piece of shit that didn't even last 3 years before it started crapping out.  The previous set I bought at Sears lasted over 20 years.  

Oh and I like Samsung TVs.  That's about it.  Never again on dishwashers or refrigerators.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2025, 07:40:11 PM
Samsung TV and front-loading washer and sound bar that have been chugging along nicely since mid-2016. Had one Samsung [front-loading] electric dryer from the same time period that was a constant nightmare that I was getting into multiple times to replace heat elements, belt, etc. Eventually replaced and have had no problems with the replacement thus far. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 07:43:17 PM
Samsung TV and front-loading washer and sound bar that have been chugging along nicely since mid-2016. Had one Samsung [front-loading] electric dryer from the same time period that was a constant nightmare that I was getting into multiple times to replace heat elements, belt, etc. Eventually replaced and have had no problems with the replacement thus far.

I like the picture and quality on Samsung TVs, but the native app for managing streaming is complete garbage, and that's a problem.  I have a TCL Roku TV in the upstairs game room and although the picture isn't quite as good, and it's probably not going to last as long, the Roku interface is just lightyears better.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 20, 2025, 07:46:51 PM
I like the picture and quality on Samsung TVs, but the native app for managing streaming is complete garbage, and that's a problem.  I have a TCL Roku TV in the upstairs game room and although the picture isn't quite as good, and it's probably not going to last as long, the Roku interface is just lightyears better.
As I mentioned previously, my standalone Roku STB went to crap, so a month or so ago I got on Amazon and had a new Roku Ultra delivered within hours. I don't rely on the Samsung apps. It's technically a "Smart TV", but I use it basically as a dumb monitor since the video is provided by the Roku Ultra and the audio comes from the sound bar + subwoofer. 

That said, I bought it (and the other appliances) in 2016 when I was going through my divorce and just needed a TV, so I didn't go for the top of the line model. It's not OLED or anything fancy. 
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Post by: longhorn320 on February 20, 2025, 07:49:42 PM
I like the picture and quality on Samsung TVs, but the native app for managing streaming is complete garbage, and that's a problem.  I have a TCL Roku TV in the upstairs game room and although the picture isn't quite as good, and it's probably not going to last as long, the Roku interface is just lightyears better.
Ive got a Samsung TV and love it.  I use Dish as my provider and have ROCU connected to the TV so I never use the TV itself to log into services
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Post by: ELA on February 20, 2025, 08:00:52 PM
I mostly use our Comcast box, but you can tell what is and isn't supported.  It's not something you can buy into, it actually seems like the opposite.  When watching these Oscar movies, I've noticed I get everything out of my TV.  Probably because they have the bandwidth to fully support these indy rentals, as opposed to ESPN.  The Peacock coverage is terrible.  The score graphic is frequently wrong, and it because NBC doesn't otherwise cover basketball, they are lacking in the talent department.  But as a Comcast owned entity, the picture is noticeably better.  Even my kids have noticed that.
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Post by: utee94 on February 20, 2025, 08:56:22 PM
Yeah I have a Roku attached to the Samsung TV, but I prefer not having external devices.  There is invariably at least a little bit of latency when moving from the originating device, through the TV, and then into the surround sound system.  It's usually slight but still noticeable to me. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 21, 2025, 08:37:33 AM
Samsung TVs are great. So are their phones.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 21, 2025, 08:50:02 AM
my TV is Samsung, picture is great.  I use a firestick.  The firestick interface is garbage also.
my current phone is a Samsung, moved from Pixel looking for something better with outlook - it's not
I prefer my last pixel

caused by marketing of the Samsung Soonert
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Post by: SFBadger96 on February 21, 2025, 04:57:06 PM
I've proudly kept my [who knows] dryer going by replacing the heating element twice, and maybe a belt once, too. Cheap, easy, only down side was when I slipped removing a screw and sliced open one of my fingers on the sheet metal. Healed fine, but scar tissue made my knuckle bigger, which is annoying.

Our washing machine broke its spider arm (almost certainly after losing a shock absorber or two). I thought about trying to replace that, but decided it was more than I was up for.

Our fancy Asko dishwasher, on the other hand. Tore that thing out after maybe only 4 years. What a headache. Bosch has been kicking right along ever since without a problem.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 21, 2025, 05:27:14 PM
I've proudly kept my [who knows] dryer going by replacing the heating element twice, and maybe a belt once, too. Cheap, easy, only down side was when I slipped removing a screw and sliced open one of my fingers on the sheet metal. Healed fine, but scar tissue made my knuckle bigger, which is annoying.
Yep. My previous Samsung dryer I was into WAY too often. Replaced the electric heating element at least twice, belt and one of the drum wheels (which seized, which broke the belt) once. I finally got rid of it when it was tripping a breaker which I think was due to the motor, but a replacement motor didn't fix it. 

And yeah, some of the stuff in there is NOT very finger-friendly to work with lol...
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 21, 2025, 05:35:45 PM
Yep. My previous Samsung dryer I was into WAY too often. Replaced the electric heating element at least twice, belt and one of the drum wheels (which seized, which broke the belt) once. I finally got rid of it when it was tripping a breaker which I think was due to the motor, but a replacement motor didn't fix it.

And yeah, some of the stuff in there is NOT very finger-friendly to work with lol...

I hear you.  My Samsung dryer has had to be repaired so many times over the last several years.  atm, it's still worth my $ to replace the element and/or the fuse that goes out like every 18 months, but eventually when I replace the whole thing, I'm not doing Samsung again.  

Been happy with my LG refrigerator so far though.  The ice-maker isn't the best system, but that's a design flaw that I knew was coming when I looked at it at the store, and not something that bad craftsman ship is failing on.  I wanted another refrigerator, wife wanted this one.  Guess who won.  
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Post by: jgvol on February 21, 2025, 05:41:23 PM
I hear you.  My Samsung dryer has had to be repaired so many times over the last several years.  atm, it's still worth my $ to replace the element and/or the fuse that goes out like every 18 months, but eventually when I replace the whole thing, I'm not doing Samsung again. 

Been happy with my LG refrigerator so far though.  The ice-maker isn't the best system, but that's a design flaw that I knew was coming when I looked at it at the store, and not something that bad craftsman ship is failing on.  I wanted another refrigerator, wife wanted this one.  Guess who won. 

My last fridge was an LG.  I liked it well enough, other than the freezer drawer at the bottom.  I'm back to a traditional side by side, and not if I like it either now. 

I have an LG OLED TV.  Paid a pretty penny for it, and luckily, there isn't a thing I don't like about it -- other the the price.

Samsung washer and dryer that I inherited -- ugh.  Not a fan like everyone else.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 21, 2025, 05:47:03 PM
Yeah I have a Roku attached to the Samsung TV, but I prefer not having external devices.  There is invariably at least a little bit of latency when moving from the originating device, through the TV, and then into the surround sound system.  It's usually slight but still noticeable to me.

Hmm...is that what causes live TV to be out-of-sync with our Firestick?  We've had both YTTV and Hulu Live TV in the last few years and it's the same with both of them.  I forget about it because we hardly ever watch anything but football, and the camera is almost never on the guys in the booth, so we can't see them out of sync.  I don't have surround-sound, but I do have external speakers hooked up.  

If that's the problem, it's odd that YouTube, Hulu (library, not live tv), HBO Max, Netflix, Prime, etc. don't have any lag.  It's only the streaming TV services.  

Re: the external speaker thing, I unconventionally hooked up nice studio reference monitors to our living room TV.  People used to their native TV speakers think our living room TV sound is awesome, but I know that it doesn't compare to good surround-sound or some high-end sound bar stacks when it comes to TV and movies.  However:  it sounds frickin' amazing playing music, which ultimately is my highest priority, and I use the TV to play music a fair bit, and I'm an audio-dick when it comes to music.  Unlike TV/movies, audio recordings are not mastered with surround-sound in mind, and while it's all the same to 85% of the population, I can't not be bugged when listening to music through those systems.  The stereo isn't right, the EQ isn't right, the whole thing is off for me.  On some nice audio systems you have more control over the sound settings, and oddly, I have none of that with the reference monitors, but yet they sound superb for music, because that's what they're made for....to let the original recording and mixing efforts of the studio engineer come through.  YMMV.  If I could, I'd install a good surround-sound system in tandem and toggle back and forth depending on whether I'm watching TV or listening to music.  
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Post by: FearlessF on February 22, 2025, 09:54:04 AM
I run my firestick into the sound bar and the sound bar is attached to the TV
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2025, 08:33:09 AM
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Post by: utee94 on February 23, 2025, 09:19:19 AM
Hmm...is that what causes live TV to be out-of-sync with our Firestick?  We've had both YTTV and Hulu Live TV in the last few years and it's the same with both of them.  I forget about it because we hardly ever watch anything but football, and the camera is almost never on the guys in the booth, so we can't see them out of sync.  I don't have surround-sound, but I do have external speakers hooked up. 

If that's the problem, it's odd that YouTube, Hulu (library, not live tv), HBO Max, Netflix, Prime, etc. don't have any lag.  It's only the streaming TV services. 

Re: the external speaker thing, I unconventionally hooked up nice studio reference monitors to our living room TV.  People used to their native TV speakers think our living room TV sound is awesome, but I know that it doesn't compare to good surround-sound or some high-end sound bar stacks when it comes to TV and movies.  However:  it sounds frickin' amazing playing music, which ultimately is my highest priority, and I use the TV to play music a fair bit, and I'm an audio-dick when it comes to music.  Unlike TV/movies, audio recordings are not mastered with surround-sound in mind, and while it's all the same to 85% of the population, I can't not be bugged when listening to music through those systems.  The stereo isn't right, the EQ isn't right, the whole thing is off for me.  On some nice audio systems you have more control over the sound settings, and oddly, I have none of that with the reference monitors, but yet they sound superb for music, because that's what they're made for....to let the original recording and mixing efforts of the studio engineer come through.  YMMV.  If I could, I'd install a good surround-sound system in tandem and toggle back and forth depending on whether I'm watching TV or listening to music. 

Yes, for sure.  And this is why I went one step further and set up an entirely separate music system in the Vinyl Lounge.  Direct uncompressed lossless CD and pure analog vinyl sound so much better than streaming music, when played through a proper amplifier and speakers.  I even had to move all the way back to my vintage floor speakers (not reference but still good), because the set of pretty decent bookshelf speakers I started with just weren't cutting it.  

And as far as the nicer systems that allow you more control, I view them mostly as a gimmick.  As you state, your reference monitors are designed specifically to reproduce faithfully the frequency response of the original recording--- why would you want to change that?  As far as I'm concerned most DSP and nearly all analog adjustments to the original signal, harm it rather than enhance it.

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Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2025, 11:26:08 AM
I will fairly often pull up a youtube video of some concert and send the audio through my stereo system and it sounds, to me, great.  The older youtubes don't, the newer ones seem pretty awesome to me, but I don't have the best ears in the world on such things.

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Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2025, 11:30:28 AM
youtube is my source for audio
I know it's not great but the speakers on my computer aren't great either

way better than my cheap soundbar on my TV

the 10-speaker Bose system in the Vette is better than the computer - but not outstanding
I'm told the 14-speaker system in the LT2 and LT3 trim on the Vettes is considerably better
doubt it's worth the additional $7500
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2025, 11:45:14 AM
My stereo is "decent", probably around the expense where more money barely makes any difference, maybe past that point.  The receiver cost $1200, it was a "refurb", which looked brand new when it arrived.  I have Monitor Audio Silver speakers and a small subwoofer and central speaker.  Maybe at higher volumes than my wife will tolerate they'd show deficiencies, I don't know.

My small computer speakers are surprisingly good, to me.

About the only music we listen to is classical that my wife streams from Radio Classique, which really is a great source IMHO.

Radio Classique - Écoutez le direct, retrouvez un morceau, suivez toute l'actualité du classique (https://www.radioclassique.fr/)

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Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2025, 11:49:44 AM
yes, I'm happily surprised and impressed with the sound quality of the inexpensive Dell speakers attached to my laptop
I saved them from the garbage at my previous job, small nick in one cable, I spliced it properly.
There is a subwoofer.  They get loud enuff I worry for the dog's ears.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2025, 12:03:35 PM
speakin of such, I'm gonna turn up Steely Dan in the front room so I can jam while preparing a pot of chili in the kitchen.

the dog can go outside, it's gonna be too warm for chili this afternoon, high in the low 50's
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2025, 12:12:30 PM
youtube is my source for audio
I know it's not great but the speakers on my computer aren't great either

way better than my cheap soundbar on my TV

the 10-speaker Bose system in the Vette is better than the computer - but not outstanding
I'm told the 14-speaker system in the LT2 and LT3 trim on the Vettes is considerably better
doubt it's worth the additional $7500
One of the things I wanted when I bought the Flex was the upgraded stereo. Largely because I wasn't planning on doing any stereo modification to it, so the stock "premium" system would be plenty for me. 

But I bought it used, so I doubt the original owner really recouped whatever it cost as an option when it was traded in. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2025, 12:16:39 PM
In other news, I did my taxes this morning and filed.  Turbotax has really upped the charge they charge.
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2025, 12:18:26 PM
Well it's 33° right now,might reach a balmy 37° so the 1st time above freezing for quite a spell. Might wash the car later maybe wait until Monday when it gets over 40°
:06:
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2025, 12:25:54 PM
In other news, I did my taxes this morning and filed.  Turbotax has really upped the charge they charge.
Yeah, I'll probably do mine next week. TurboTax is annoying af. They've been emailing me and texting me nonstop since the end of the year. 

In a similar note, I ended up doing the credit freeze thing with the three bureaus a few months back, and Experian is the same. FFS, how many emails do they think I need a week trying to upsell me on crap? 
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2025, 12:34:49 PM
My email does a pretty solid job sending burfle to the burfle pile.  I check on it every so often to see if anything is there.

I ended up owing the Feds $900 something and getting a few bucks back from the state so my withholding was pretty spot on this past year.  It is painful to take money out of my IRA and see the number drop by 30% at times.  I'm getting close to RMD time, I did a projection this morning which looked "OK".

I'll have the condo paid off later this year, that will be an expense going to zero, but my condo HOA keeps climbing of course.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2025, 12:44:05 PM
Fair bit of cooking been goin' on this weekend... 

Friday was pasta sauce and meatballs. 

Saturday I woke up and got a big pork shoulder into the crock pot. I had vacuum sealed and frozen one of the two that I bought at Costco as the previous usage was also crock pot and not on the smoker. I had to thaw it out to make pork chile verde on Tuesday, so the remainder not used for that was put in the crock pot, shredded, and vacuum sealed to go into the freezer for other use. Then portioned out 3# of ground beef from Costco (out of 7# total) for Tuesday's tacos while vacuum sealing the remainder and freezing it for future use in meat loaf. Dinner was pretty simple though... Tilapia fish tacos and a black bean corn salad. 

Today I got the smoker running. First on is about 8# of tomatoes that will be sealed and frozen for future use in smoked tomato bisque. Then putting on about 10# of cured pork belly that well then be bacon. Finally going to do 3 racks of baby back ribs for dinner tonight, to go along with cole slaw and broccoli cheese casserole. 

How 'bout you guys?


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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 23, 2025, 12:48:43 PM
Seared off a pot roast this morning and now it's in the crock.
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 23, 2025, 01:01:53 PM
I made beef stew yesterday.  It was decent.  
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2025, 01:11:14 PM
Made a Pork Tenderloin in the roaster with spuds,onion,carrots,celery Friday, 8 that for 2 days. Making BLTs with bacon cured/cut by the local guy tomorrow. And my 2nd batch of the season of Chilli on Tuesday
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Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2025, 01:27:44 PM
Well it's 33° right now,might reach a balmy 37° so the 1st time above freezing for quite a spell. Might wash the car later maybe wait until Monday when it gets over 40°
:06:
I drug my hose outta the frozen garage into the sunshine on the driveway - if it thaws out, I might wash the car tomorrow afternoon
expected 52 degrees tomorrow
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Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2025, 01:31:57 PM
chili is in the pot - rollin stones on the jukebox

not competition texas red, just poor dirt farmer chili soup with two types of kidney beans

picked up a 10# chub of 80/20 ground beef last week @ $2.88lb
about 2 1/2 pounds of that and a pound of pork sausage in the chili
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on February 23, 2025, 01:32:43 PM
Living vicariously through you chefs.  

Just rehabbing the left knee full replacement done Friday.    
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Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2025, 01:35:30 PM
tough duty, but worth it
keep up the good work
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 23, 2025, 02:22:55 PM
Went to a restaurant and had rotisserie chicken. Was pretty good. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 23, 2025, 06:00:39 PM
i had some grapes earlier.
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 23, 2025, 06:13:58 PM
in bottle form preferably
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Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2025, 07:37:51 PM
cheap chili w/beans was good
right amount of heat
plenty of Budweiser to quench the thirst
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Post by: FearlessF on February 23, 2025, 08:54:55 PM
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 23, 2025, 09:58:48 PM
Was annoyed that I didn't realize until I got it home that the pork belly I'd bought was skin-on. So after smoking the bellies today I cut off the skin and made some cracklins to munch on. Those were delicious! 

Not delicious enough to deal with skin-on pork belly in the future, tho :57:
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Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2025, 08:55:41 AM
FACT OF THE DAY:

The Philadelphia Mint can make 1.8 million coins an hour, 32 million coins per day, and 13.5 billion coins every year. The Philadelphia facility is the largest mint in the world.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2025, 09:47:39 AM
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Post by: bayareabadger on February 24, 2025, 09:52:05 AM
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Honorable and respectable.
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Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2025, 09:55:48 AM
I like it - just BBQ sauce for the carbs

I'd have omitted the sauce & went very low carbs
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Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2025, 09:58:36 AM
Looks good and I'd eat it, but overall I'm definitely a dry ribs guy and the dry rub I use has very little sugar in it.  Pork has a natural sweetness to it anyway, especially when cooked over something mild like pecan or fruit woods, so I've never really been much for adding more sugar.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2025, 10:01:03 AM
Yeah... Family likes sauce. So I sauce them...

I should probably try next time leaving one rack un-sauced, and applying a little extra BBQ rub at the time when the ribs come out of the foil. 
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Post by: jgvol on February 24, 2025, 11:05:43 AM
I like'em muddy.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 24, 2025, 11:23:22 AM
Fair bit of cooking been goin' on this weekend...

How 'bout you guys?

Not to derail the train of thought, but after I was starting to get my grill-legs under me, I had a sudden and complete ceasing of the grilling.  Six months after losing our old shepherd we lost our young one when her seizures were no longer controllable with medication and she had to be put down.  She was my outdoor buddy, and she kept me company on the porch during cooks.  I hate being dramatic, but I have never mourned losing a pet like I have mourned her, and I haven't yet been able to bring myself to get back out there and grill again. 

Soon as Spring hits, I aim to get back to it.  
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Post by: jgvol on February 24, 2025, 11:28:23 AM
Not to derail the train of thought, but after I was starting to get my grill-legs under me, I had a sudden and complete ceasing of the grilling.  Six months after losing our old shepherd we lost our young one when her seizures were no longer controllable with medication and she had to be put down.  She was my outdoor buddy, and she kept me company on the porch during cooks.  I hate being dramatic, but I have never mourned losing a pet like I have mourned her, and I haven't yet been able to bring myself to get back out there and grill again. 

Soon as Spring hits, I aim to get back to it. 

Charles M. Schulz

"All his life he tried to be a good person. Many times, however, he failed. For after all, he was only human. He wasn't a dog."

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Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2025, 11:47:32 AM
Condolences MDT.  Our dog is a nut-job PITA but I sure would miss her if she were gone.
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Post by: Riffraft on February 24, 2025, 11:54:56 AM
Looks good and I'd eat it, but overall I'm definitely a dry ribs guy and the dry rub I use has very little sugar in it.  Pork has a natural sweetness to it anyway, especially when cooked over something mild like pecan or fruit woods, so I've never really been much for adding more sugar.


I only use oil with garlic salt on my ribs.  Grill wrapped in foil at about 250 for a few hours.  Plenty moist, plenty of flavor. 
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Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2025, 12:01:34 PM
Not to derail the train of thought, but

Geez!  Talk about a bummer on a Monday morning
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2025, 01:23:49 PM
Not to derail the train of thought, but after I was starting to get my grill-legs under me, I had a sudden and complete ceasing of the grilling.  Six months after losing our old shepherd we lost our young one when her seizures were no longer controllable with medication and she had to be put down.  She was my outdoor buddy, and she kept me company on the porch during cooks.  I hate being dramatic, but I have never mourned losing a pet like I have mourned her, and I haven't yet been able to bring myself to get back out there and grill again. 

Soon as Spring hits, I aim to get back to it. 
I hear you. The day we brought our puppy home, I was grilling some lamb. He was inside on the kitchen floor just staring through the screen at me with a "that smells good" look on his face... I can't imagine what it'll be like when he goes.

Hopefully when you get back into it, you can use it as a way to reminisce about the good times. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2025, 01:26:56 PM
I only use oil with garlic salt on my ribs.  Grill wrapped in foil at about 250 for a few hours.  Plenty moist, plenty of flavor.
Do you actually do any time on the grill w/o foil? 

For smoked BBQ ribs, I've been toying with timing, and so far have settled on 2.5-1.75-0.75. I.e. 2 1/2 hours smoke, 1 hour 45 minutes wrapped in foil, then 45 minutes off the foil to allow the surface/bark to dry out and re-set, while adding sauce to the backside of the ribs at the 30 min remaining point and the meat side of the ribs starting about 20 minutes before I pull them off.

But I consider the "dry" portion of the cook pretty important, even if you're not really using smoke, to set a good surface texture...
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Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2025, 01:42:52 PM
Do you actually do any time on the grill w/o foil?

For smoked BBQ ribs, I've been toying with timing, and so far have settled on 2.5-1.75-0.75. I.e. 2 1/2 hours smoke, 1 hour 45 minutes wrapped in foil, then 45 minutes off the foil to allow the surface/bark to dry out and re-set, while adding sauce to the backside of the ribs at the 30 min remaining point and the meat side of the ribs starting about 20 minutes before I pull them off.

But I consider the "dry" portion of the cook pretty important, even if you're not really using smoke, to set a good surface texture...
This is for babybacks right?  It's your modification of the well-known 3-2-1 for pork spares, as I recall?

Of course on pork spares I don't even go the full 1 at the end.  Usually more like 0.5.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2025, 02:31:10 PM
This is for babybacks right?  It's your modification of the well-known 3-2-1 for pork spares, as I recall?

Of course on pork spares I don't even go the full 1 at the end.  Usually more like 0.5.
Yes. A lot of people say 2-2-1 for baby backs. My timing already had them nearly impossible to take off the grill without falling apart, so more time in foil wouldn't have been a good idea.
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Post by: utee94 on February 24, 2025, 04:01:59 PM
Lots of folks say they prefer complete "fall off the bone" but I definitely like them to be firmed up somewhat, after the foil steam bath.  They should have a little bit of bite to them, and the bark needs to firm up as well.

That's probably the main reason I don't like wet ribs, exterior just gets too mushy.
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Post by: Riffraft on February 24, 2025, 05:16:51 PM
Do you actually do any time on the grill w/o foil?

For smoked BBQ ribs, I've been toying with timing, and so far have settled on 2.5-1.75-0.75. I.e. 2 1/2 hours smoke, 1 hour 45 minutes wrapped in foil, then 45 minutes off the foil to allow the surface/bark to dry out and re-set, while adding sauce to the backside of the ribs at the 30 min remaining point and the meat side of the ribs starting about 20 minutes before I pull them off.

But I consider the "dry" portion of the cook pretty important, even if you're not really using smoke, to set a good surface texture...
Yes, should have mentioned. I take it out of the foil and give it about 15 to 20 minutes without the foil.  Usually falling of the bone by the time I am done. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on February 24, 2025, 10:33:49 PM
This is better than the hotties thread...
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Post by: FearlessF on February 24, 2025, 10:44:40 PM
only because there's more traffic and effort here
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 24, 2025, 10:45:47 PM
This is better than the hotties thread...
Ooh, salmon cakes...
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 25, 2025, 08:46:29 AM
cheap chili w/beans was good
right amount of heat
plenty of Budweiser to quench the thirst
Went in the pot an hour ago,will have a Fireside Chat Winter Warmer waiting when it comes out around 2. Have stop & open to stir along the way along with layering the spices,assorted beans will go in about 1 1/2hrs before finish
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Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2025, 08:52:19 AM
yer afraid to overcook the beans?

 al dente
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Post by: MrNubbz on February 25, 2025, 09:22:54 AM
had to look that up - yes,dangling out fancy words must be a long winter on the dirt farm unlike sunny,beckoning N.E. Ohio
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Post by: Temp430 on February 25, 2025, 09:26:20 AM
It's kind of nice reading the comments about grilling even though we're still buried in snow.
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Post by: utee94 on February 25, 2025, 09:28:54 AM
Snow?  Gonna hit 75 today.  Beautiful winter weather.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 25, 2025, 09:31:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UprgROS.png)
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Post by: Riffraft on February 25, 2025, 10:40:00 AM
Snow?  Gonna hit 75 today.  Beautiful winter weather.
85 today
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on February 25, 2025, 11:21:59 AM
I've been involved in managing rental property for almost 50 years so I have a LOT of experience with water heaters and my take is that it is extremely random. I have replaced 40 year old units and I've replaced five year old units.
I just replaced my hot water heater last week. It was 30 yrs old.
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on February 25, 2025, 11:28:15 AM
I like the picture and quality on Samsung TVs, but the native app for managing streaming is complete garbage, and that's a problem.  I have a TCL Roku TV in the upstairs game room and although the picture isn't quite as good, and it's probably not going to last as long, the Roku interface is just lightyears better.
Really? I have 2 Samsung tv's and absolutely love the simplicity of the user interface. It is very easy to add apps, arrange them on the screen and access them. Even my wife can do it. :93:
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Post by: utee94 on February 25, 2025, 02:10:38 PM
Really? I have 2 Samsung tv's and absolutely love the simplicity of the user interface. It is very easy to add apps, arrange them on the screen and access them. Even my wife can do it. :93:
Roku is a way better interface.  Also, Samsung native app stopped supporting updates to several streaming services at one time, including ESPN+.  They get in battles with other OEMs like Sony, over which streaming services they're going to maintain support.  They pitched a fit at one point, dropped a couple of things I needed, and I've since abandoned them forever.

A 3rd party streaming interface provider like Roku knows it's in its best interest to maintain support for ALL of them and keep them constantly updated, since their product is the interface rather than the television hardware.

Of course Roku is now branding TVs on its own using ODMs, but the interface is still their key, unique bit of IP.  The TVs are just their way of cutting out the middlemen in getting their interface into user households.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 25, 2025, 02:49:55 PM
How does Samsung getting in fights with Sony affect their maintenance of, say, Netflix, or Spotify? 

I've used Roku devices, mainly at Airbnb's, probably.  Maybe it's just the lack of familiarity, but I found it clunky compared to the Firestick interface, which I've used for several years now.  Only thing with Firesticks is they lack the processing power of a more robust machine, and sometimes it shows in its menu lag.  I would imagine the FireTV Cubes solve that nicely, but that seems like a lot of money for something that really doesn't do anything more than the stick can do.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on February 25, 2025, 02:53:51 PM
I had Roku as well, and now Firesticks. I like the latter better. Also, my second outdoor TV is a smaller Fire TV. The main is a Samsung with the stick. They work the same.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2025, 03:21:53 PM
IMHO the one issue I have with a Fire Stick, or an Apple TV, or a Google Chromecast (which I guess is now defunct?) is that these types of interfaces, as utee mentions w/ Samsung, have a vested interest in pushing their own product. I.e. the Fire Stick wants to push Prime Video, the Apple TV obviously Apple TV+, and Google pushing YouTube / YTTV. 

Whereas Roku is by definition independent and has a vested interest in supporting everything equally. And their value proposition has to be to produce something that's better than the competition because it's not some loss leader for content--the box is the product. 

IMHO this is similar to the TiVo days. TiVo was the absolute best DVR / interface I've ever had. Because if you have to go buy a $300 TiVo box, it better be DAMNED good compared to the DVR that your cable/satellite company ships you, or you're not going to spend extra for it. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 25, 2025, 03:29:31 PM
In theory, I see what you're saying.  In practice, I've only ever seen Amazon get into a spat with Google, when at one point the Firesticks did not offer YouTube or YouTube TV.  But that was years ago. 

As I understand it, Prime Video is a loss leader itself for Prime subscriptions and Amazon (Bezos) has viewed it as somewhat of a vanity project.  If so, that would explain to me why the Fire products have never ditched Hulu, Netflix, Max, Disney+, etc.  To the contrary, I believe, you can get all those things as add-ons with your Prime subscription for the exact same price, so they have seemed to be committed as a platform and not just a funnel for their own streaming service. 

I do wonder if that's changing, or will change.  I notice that regular Amazon Prime subscriptions only gets you Prime Video content with commercials now.  If you want to drop the commercials you have to pay extra.  
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Post by: utee94 on February 25, 2025, 04:17:13 PM
I've never used Firestick so can't comment on it.  But I am wary of it for the reasons bwar outlined.  I've never found the Roku interface to be "clunky" but rather I've found it to be significantly superior to Samsung and Sony native apps, and vastly superior to AppleTV.

To answer a question further up, Sony and Samsung have, at times, maneuvered to be the sole television OEM provider of one or other various streaming services.  And even when they're not maneuvering to cut out their competitors, they still haven't shown to be consistent in providing updates and support for the various streaming apps they carry. They let their apps become outdated because they don't value all of the streaming platforms.  Their core business is to manufacture and sell television hardware, not apps.  Theoretically they could lose favor with consumers if they don't adequately maintain the offerings in their native apps but, as has been proven on this forum and in the market at large, users will realistically just go purchase a Roku or Firestick, so the television manufacturers have no incentive to provide updated and well supported native apps for streaming services. Roku on the other hand, can not ever do that, their value proposition is that they support everything equally, and agnostically.



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Post by: utee94 on February 25, 2025, 04:18:09 PM
In theory, I see what you're saying.  In practice, I've only ever seen Amazon get into a spat with Google, when at one point the Firesticks did not offer YouTube or YouTube TV.  But that was years ago. 
The fact that it has ever happened at all, both with Amazon and with Sony and Samsung, is precisely why I'm wary that it will happen again.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2025, 04:19:07 PM
In theory, I see what you're saying.  In practice, I've only ever seen Amazon get into a spat with Google, when at one point the Firesticks did not offer YouTube or YouTube TV.  But that was years ago. 

As I understand it, Prime Video is a loss leader itself for Prime subscriptions and Amazon (Bezos) has viewed it as somewhat of a vanity project.  If so, that would explain to me why the Fire products have never ditched Hulu, Netflix, Max, Disney+, etc.  To the contrary, I believe, you can get all those things as add-ons with your Prime subscription for the exact same price, so they have seemed to be committed as a platform and not just a funnel for their own streaming service. 

I do wonder if that's changing, or will change.  I notice that regular Amazon Prime subscriptions only gets you Prime Video content with commercials now.  If you want to drop the commercials you have to pay extra. 
I thought basically all of Amazon is a loss leader for AWS :57:

That said, I do see that they might have an interest in selling you the subscriptions to these other services THROUGH your Amazon account, and obviously they'll have negotiated some sort of a cut with the service for processing the payments through to them. So it might be a conflict of interest for them to simultaneously nerf the functionality of those competitors...

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Post by: utee94 on February 25, 2025, 04:21:38 PM
I thought basically all of Amazon is a loss leader for AWS :57:

That said, I do see that they might have an interest in selling you the subscriptions to these other services THROUGH your Amazon account, and obviously they'll have negotiated some sort of a cut with the service for processing the payments through to them. So it might be a conflict of interest for them to simultaneously nerf the functionality of those competitors...


As MDT pointed out, it's already happened once with Google and Amazon.  I have no faith that the underlying interests of such technological giants will remain aligned and, perhaps more importantly, that the massive egos of their owners/CEOs won't interfere with practical market considerations.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2025, 04:22:14 PM
I've never used Firestick so can't comment on it.  But I am wary of it for the reasons bwar outlined.  I've never found the Roku interface to be "clunky" but rather I've found it to be significantly superior to Samsung and Sony native apps, and vastly superior to AppleTV.
I've never objectively given the Apple TV interface a chance, because I always get so disgusted with the goddamned remote that I'm already angry any time we use the Apple TV and thus hate it. 

That said, the Apple TV is on the bedroom TV, and watching TV isn't the point of that room. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on February 25, 2025, 04:25:59 PM
As MDT pointed out, it's already happened once with Google and Amazon.  I have no faith that the underlying interests of such technological giants will remain aligned and, perhaps more importantly, that the massive egos of their owners/CEOs won't interfere with practical market considerations. 
Agreed. Google and MSFT are the only two entities that I can see Amazon really getting into a tiff with over cloud competition... And MSFT doesn't have a streaming TV service. So them sticking their thumb in Google's eyes makes sense. 

Obviously there are other companies Amazon would potentially tiff with, i.e. Walmart, Target, Barnes & Noble, etc... But none of those are in the streaming game, so it's not something I think would be relevant. 

That said, it's also the reason that I'm a huge Roku fan... I don't have to worry about it because they're service agnostic. 
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Post by: utee94 on February 25, 2025, 04:33:56 PM
Agreed. Google and MSFT are the only two entities that I can see Amazon really getting into a tiff with over cloud competition... And MSFT doesn't have a streaming TV service. So them sticking their thumb in Google's eyes makes sense.

Obviously there are other companies Amazon would potentially tiff with, i.e. Walmart, Target, Barnes & Noble, etc... But none of those are in the streaming game, so it's not something I think would be relevant.

That said, it's also the reason that I'm a huge Roku fan... I don't have to worry about it because they're service agnostic.
Sure but ESPN/Disney/Hulu/Max are in streaming and overlap significantly with competition for a lot of the various original programming, original sports programming, and movie and television catalogs, that Amazon also carries.  Netflix, too.  I'd really hate to be reliant on Firestick and then get caught in the crossfire when Bezos decides to flex on one of his competitors.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 25, 2025, 04:45:04 PM
1.  I've never used Firestick so can't comment on it.  But I am wary of it for the reasons bwar outlined.  I've never found the Roku interface to be "clunky" but rather I've found it to be significantly superior to Samsung and Sony native apps, and vastly superior to AppleTV.

2.  To answer a question further up, Sony and Samsung have, at times, maneuvered to be the sole television OEM provider of one or other various streaming services.  And even when they're not maneuvering to cut out their competitors, they still haven't shown to be consistent in providing updates and support for the various streaming apps they carry. They let their apps become outdated because they don't value all of the streaming platforms.  Their core business is to manufacture and sell television hardware, not apps.  Theoretically they could lose favor with consumers if they don't adequately maintain the offerings in their native apps but, as has been proven on this forum and in the market at large, users will realistically just go purchase a Roku or Firestick, so the television manufacturers have no incentive to provide updated and well supported native apps for streaming services. Roku on the other hand, can not ever do that, their value proposition is that they support everything equally, and agnostically.

1.  Likewise, I've never used native Samsung and Sony apps, though what you say about them makes sense.  And my mom has a Samsung TV they try to use native apps with, and she hates it.  The counterargument there is that Boomer is a technological cautionary tale, and she'd have never gotten her entertainment center set up without me.  I have used an old AppleTV platform, and it suuuuuuucked.  

2a.  Samsung and Sony's actions make sense, but I don't understand the motivation from the streaming platform side.  If you let your service be farmed out solely to one manufacturer, you're undercutting your own business in a major way.  Not sure why Netflix et al would do that.  

2b.  Roku's advantage as you outline it makes sense, but only for as long as nobody else steps into their market and becomes a competitor.  Then there's no guarantee against the same situation you describe with Samsung and Sony.  If Netflix would consider letting one of them be its sole distributor on the native-TV-platforms, it might just as easily consider letting Xbox or something be it's sole console distributor and tell Roku to f*** off.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 25, 2025, 04:47:31 PM
I thought basically all of Amazon is a loss leader for AWS :57:

Might well be.  I won't pretend to know much about AWS or Amazon's financials in general.  I've heard guys who cover the movie/tv industry and talk about their show investments and losses say that Amazon basically just pisses away money with Amazon Studios in order to generate more Prime subscriptions.  If you tell me Prime subscriptions are just a means to more AWS $, I certainly won't dispute it.  
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Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2025, 06:45:55 PM
had to look that up - yes,dangling out fancy words must be a long winter on the dirt farm unlike sunny,beckoning N.E. Ohio
picked that up on triple D
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Post by: Cincydawg on February 25, 2025, 08:25:46 PM
AstroForge: This company is set to launch a scouting mission before mining asteroids for precious metals | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/25/science/astroforge-asteroid-mining-spacex-launch/index.html)
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Post by: FearlessF on February 25, 2025, 09:35:39 PM
are they publicly traded??
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Post by: Gigem on February 26, 2025, 08:43:43 AM
I've had most of the interfaces mentioned.  FireTV, Roku, Samsung, LG, and a couple of others.  

What I've found is that just like any other computer, there are differences in price and capabilities.  The worst interface I've had is a Samsung TV in my bedroom.  It was a cheapish TV, and it showed.  The interface was super clunky, and slow.  I replaced it with a firestick, and then when that one acted up another firestick like 5 years later.  The firestick worked great, and had all the apps I needed and more.  

My mom has a big and expensive Samsung and the TV interface works fine and has lots of apps.  My cheap Roku TV in my barn works really good, as does my LG in my living room.  

Never used Chromecast or whatever Google called their firestick.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on February 26, 2025, 10:04:43 AM
Never used Chromecast or whatever Google called their firestick. 

Used it pretty extensively in the early days.  It was hard to go back to after I got used to the Firestick (we kept the Chromecast in our bedroom) because it's controlled by phone, a noticeably clunkier experience than having a dedicated remote.  One thing I did prefer about it to anything else was typed searches.  It's way quicker to type on my phone than to use the little letter matrix that apps use to enter text where you have to scroll to one letter at a time.  Most things use voice command now, but that's also a bit of a weakness with the firestick.  It's just not powerful enough, I think, and performance can really bog down and not work at all in some apps when Alexa voice command is attempted.  
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Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2025, 09:35:56 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x9BkKsq.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 01, 2025, 10:16:27 AM
are they publicly traded??
AstroForge is a private company and its stock is not publicly traded. AstroForge is an aerospace company that is developing asteroid mining technology. 
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Post by: FearlessF on March 01, 2025, 10:30:49 AM
guess I'm not gonna get rich
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Post by: MrNubbz on March 01, 2025, 10:51:38 AM
Ya I get that feeling to,anyhow never had the Britishers being wine sips like your map suggets
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Post by: utee94 on March 01, 2025, 10:53:28 AM
Ya I get that feeling to,anyhow never had the Britishers being wine sips like your map suggets
Yeah and Spain being more beer than wine is a little surprising as well.
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Post by: bayareabadger on March 02, 2025, 08:43:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x9BkKsq.png)
Need more granular
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 02, 2025, 09:08:24 AM
In my experiences, I'd say Spain is about 50-50 beer wine.
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 02, 2025, 09:34:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UA7KbmI.png)

We chatted about this a while back,  this office building is being converted to residential in ATL.  It seems to be slow going, probably for a number of reasons, but ostensibly it is going to happen.  I still wonder if this is really viable broadly, but hopefully it is.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 02, 2025, 10:02:18 AM
any chance it will be affordable?

what would be affordable in that area?
$1000/month for one bedroom?
$1250/month for two bedrooms?
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 02, 2025, 10:28:16 AM
It ostensibly is to be "affordable housing".  The Georgia Pacific building is "slated" to do the same, conversion to apartments, in part.  Both are smack downtown.  I'm a bit dubious but wish them well.  As for rents, your guess is as good as mine.

A two bedroom around us will easily get $3,000 a month in a new building, but this area is far more desirable as a place to live than downtown.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 02, 2025, 10:38:52 AM
I've wondered about a place in downtown Lincoln that is walkable from many bars, restaurants, other shops like you describe your area.
I checked prices and $1250/month for one bedroom is available.
Not what I'd call affordable for most in Nebraska.  But, perhaps in Atlanta it would be.
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 02, 2025, 10:53:11 AM
It always depends on location.

Cheap Midtown Atlanta Apartments for Rent - Atlanta, GA - 4,884 Rentals | Apartments.com (https://www.apartments.com/midtown-atlanta-atlanta-ga/cheap/)

There are still a number of older houses near us that have been subdivided into apartments that are pretty cheap.  I figure the houses are not too long for this world because they are on prime property.



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Post by: Cincydawg on March 03, 2025, 05:52:42 AM
The riskiest way to trade hottest tech stocks is not well understood (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/02/the-riskiest-way-to-trade-hottest-tech-stocks-is-not-well-understood.html)

Over the last few years, a new class of big-cap stocks have stolen the attention of investors and day-traders. Nvidia (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/NVDA/), Tesla (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/TSLA/) and Palantir (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/PLTR/) often lead the market’s daily trading volume. Exchange-traded funds that give investors the opportunity to double, or even triple, bets on these stocks have also grown into a larger share of the market. In 2016, leveraged and inverse ETFs (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/24/etfs-that-allow-investors-to-make-big-bets-on-market-moves-are-gaining-in-popularity.html) were 2% of the ETF market. Now, they represent almost 8% of ETF assets, and like the hot tech stocks they track, they are often among the most traded ETFs, placing in the top 20, sometimes even top 10, in daily trading dollar volume.

With three-quarters of the trading action in these ETFs coming from retail investors, investing experts worry about the risks not being understood well enough. “You get explosive upside but also explosive downside,” as index fund legend Charley Ellis recently put it during an appearance on CNBC’s “ETF Edge.” (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/14/why-stock-pickers-still-wont-ever-outperform-market-index-long-term.html)

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Post by: FearlessF on March 03, 2025, 08:15:35 AM
like the craps table
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 03, 2025, 08:32:25 AM
If I were into it, I'd play the options game rather than leveraged ETFs.  But, it is guesswork and craps.
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Post by: Gigem on March 03, 2025, 09:01:35 AM
The riskiest way to trade hottest tech stocks is not well understood (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/02/the-riskiest-way-to-trade-hottest-tech-stocks-is-not-well-understood.html)

Over the last few years, a new class of big-cap stocks have stolen the attention of investors and day-traders. Nvidia (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/NVDA/), Tesla (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/TSLA/) and Palantir (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/PLTR/) often lead the market’s daily trading volume. Exchange-traded funds that give investors the opportunity to double, or even triple, bets on these stocks have also grown into a larger share of the market. In 2016, leveraged and inverse ETFs (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/24/etfs-that-allow-investors-to-make-big-bets-on-market-moves-are-gaining-in-popularity.html) were 2% of the ETF market. Now, they represent almost 8% of ETF assets, and like the hot tech stocks they track, they are often among the most traded ETFs, placing in the top 20, sometimes even top 10, in daily trading dollar volume.

With three-quarters of the trading action in these ETFs coming from retail investors, investing experts worry about the risks not being understood well enough. “You get explosive upside but also explosive downside,” as index fund legend Charley Ellis recently put it during an appearance on CNBC’s “ETF Edge.” (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/14/why-stock-pickers-still-wont-ever-outperform-market-index-long-term.html)
I don't even know what Palantir is/does or whatever.  I never even heard of them until maybe the last year or so.  And without looking them up, do you know what they are?  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 03, 2025, 09:26:18 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x9BkKsq.png)

Scotland is wine and not beer?  I don't believe it.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 03, 2025, 09:26:55 AM
I know a bit about Palantir, not nearly enough to invest in them directly.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 03, 2025, 09:32:31 AM
I don't know nearly enough about any company to invest in them directly

not even the company I work for
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 03, 2025, 09:38:26 AM
This is why ETFs can be your friend.  You can get them in various groups, like health care, or tech, or large stocks, etc.  I like SCHD, which is an ETF for dividend paying companies with a track record for increasing them.

XLK is a generic investment in "tech stocks".
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Post by: FearlessF on March 03, 2025, 09:38:30 AM
although, I wouldn't buy Tesla stock this morning
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 03, 2025, 09:43:23 AM
I never bought any Tesla stock, and wouldn't today.  It's almost a meme stock, to me.  It's actually up a bit this morning.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 03, 2025, 09:49:54 AM
I never bought any Tesla stock, and wouldn't today.  It's almost a meme stock, to me.  It's actually up a bit this morning.
A forward PE of 102, which would normally signal a stock with explosive growth potential, on a company whose quarterly revenues have been flat over the past year. 

For reference, the forward PE of NVDA is ~28. Their annual revenue just doubled, after doubling the previous year, so is now 4x what it was two years ago. 

Yeah, meme stock. Valuation is completely devoid of fundamentals. 
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Post by: Riffraft on March 03, 2025, 09:54:07 AM
I never bought any Tesla stock, and wouldn't today.  It's almost a meme stock, to me.  It's actually up a bit this morning.


One of my sons works for tesla.  Gave him a bunch of esop and stock bonuses. Hope it becomes a great meme stock so he can take advantage of it
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Post by: MrNubbz on March 03, 2025, 09:57:09 AM
Thanx for reminding me I have to pick up some beef stock
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 03, 2025, 09:57:32 AM
Who benefits from Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act extension (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/03/who-benefits-from-trump-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-extension.html)

As Congress debates how to handle trillions of dollars in expiring tax breaks, lawmakers on both sides have been lobbing claims (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/15/house-republicans-extend-trump-tax-cuts-amid-pushback.html) about which consumers will see the biggest benefits from extending them. Economists and tax experts say the answer isn’t so straightforward.
In short: Who benefits depends on your frame of reference.

House Republicans passed a budget plan (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-budget-vote-speaker-johnson-trump-agenda-rcna193626) Tuesday that lays the groundwork to extend the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, a package of tax cuts enacted in 2017 during President Trump’s first term.
Many of the cuts for individual taxpayers will expire (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/16/child-tax-credit-could-change-2025.html) after 2025 unless Congress acts — and the GOP can do this with a simple majority vote in Congress by using a special legislative maneuver called budget reconciliation.


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Post by: utee94 on March 03, 2025, 02:56:22 PM
Dysentery-cases-rise-in-portland-metro-area-health-department-reports

https://www.koin.com/news/oregon/dysentery-cases-rise-in-portland-metro-area-health-department-reports/
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 03, 2025, 03:13:35 PM
Dysentery-cases-rise-in-portland-metro-area-health-department-reports

https://www.koin.com/news/oregon/dysentery-cases-rise-in-portland-metro-area-health-department-reports/
I mean... It's Oregon.


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Post by: utee94 on March 03, 2025, 03:37:24 PM
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Post by: MarqHusker on March 03, 2025, 10:15:27 PM
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Post by: ELA on March 03, 2025, 11:45:57 PM
I mean... It's Oregon.


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But once you got to Oregon, you were good
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 04, 2025, 08:33:53 AM
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Yep, I posted that on Sunday, in the other thread. No comments.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 04, 2025, 09:00:22 AM
Yep, I posted that on Sunday, in the other thread. No comments.
I read it.  I read all of your posts👍.  

Some things speak for themselves.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 04, 2025, 10:11:32 AM
Apparently I'm going to be giving a seminar on AI for faculty here who are interested in learning more about it.

Just imagine my elation at having a bunch of PhD's as a captive audience, with their goofy email signatures telling me their pronouns and their support for all manner of causes.  

"Listen here, you buncha academic snobs.  I notice you're pretty competent in your fields, but kinda dumb as anyone else in things you aren't trained in."

Actually, the irony is that while AI has to do with my education, it doesn't much factor in with the job I actually do here.  In that way, such a seminar is probably an example of the old adage "Those who can't do, teach." 

Yeah....I should probably tell them that, too :-D

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Post by: Cincydawg on March 04, 2025, 10:12:48 AM
If they are interested in knowing more about a topic with which you are reasonably versed, it's a good thing, you should do well, whatever their ancillary beliefs.

Wear a MAGA hat though.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 04, 2025, 10:22:39 AM
The faculty I've had the chance to meet so far, which is not most of them, are a relatively quiet lot as far as what they wear on their sleeve.  Which is how it should be, probably.  A few are loud, and might take exception to someone showing up with a MAGA hat.  

We have faculty from all over, including most of your schools here.  I've seen a handful of Texas and Texas A&M alums, of which I thought there would be more.  (There might be.....I still haven't met most of them.) 

It makes me think, well, we're not a major, well-known university, so one might poo-poo our educational quality, but if we're not that great, it's the fault of all these other major universities for turning out sub-par graduates to go be professors.  

The main thing is, as I previously noted, the baseball coach is a former LSU player and asst. coach, and that makes it a good university.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 04, 2025, 10:28:58 AM
The thing about professors at "high level universities" is they may not be good teachers at all, but they bring in grant money and are "known in their field".  They spend rather little of their time teaching, maybe one course a semester, some don't teach at all.  They have grad students grading tests.  They teach the same way they always did, so there is no prep time needed.  They show up for class, teach, maybe have "hours" once a week, and the rest of the time do their "real job".
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 04, 2025, 10:48:39 AM
Apparently I'm going to be giving a seminar on AI for faculty here who are interested in learning more about it.

Just imagine my elation at having a bunch of PhD's as a captive audience, with their goofy email signatures telling me their pronouns and their support for all manner of causes. 

"Listen here, you buncha academic snobs.  I notice you're pretty competent in your fields, but kinda dumb as anyone else in things you aren't trained in."

Actually, the irony is that while AI has to do with my education, it doesn't much factor in with the job I actually do here.  In that way, such a seminar is probably an example of the old adage "Those who can't do, teach." 

Yeah....I should probably tell them that, too :-D
Have fun and good luck! 

I actually just put in two presentation submissions to speak at one of our major industry events coming up in the 2nd half of this year. Should know in another month if either are accepted. If so, it'll be the highest-profile speaking opportunity I've ever had...
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 04, 2025, 10:49:58 AM
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 04, 2025, 10:58:38 AM
The faculty I've had the chance to meet so far, which is not most of them, are a relatively quiet lot as far as what they wear on their sleeve.  Which is how it should be, probably.  A few are loud, and might take exception to someone showing up with a MAGA hat. 

We have faculty from all over, including most of your schools here.  I've seen a handful of Texas and Texas A&M alums, of which I thought there would be more.  (There might be.....I still haven't met most of them.) 

It makes me think, well, we're not a major, well-known university, so one might poo-poo our educational quality, but if we're not that great, it's the fault of all these other major universities for turning out sub-par graduates to go be professors. 

The main thing is, as I previously noted, the baseball coach is a former LSU player and asst. coach, and that makes it a good university. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 04, 2025, 11:09:24 AM
I have been spending time and angst on getting a visa from Sri Lanka because the cruise line says we have to have one in order to board (which is curious to me, they didn't have the requirement for other ports of call).  I applied at their government site which is a messy mess, a lot of 404 not founds etc.  I THINK I finally got through this morning, maybe, I hope.  We don't especially want to tour anything there, so I'd just as soon stay on board and pass.

Getting visas overall has not been pleasant, nor cheap.
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 04, 2025, 02:26:28 PM
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Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2025, 02:27:27 PM
experts
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 04, 2025, 02:33:34 PM
Note to advertisers...

I won't take any medications that will cause me to dance in a park. Especially not in a group. 

TYVM.
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 04, 2025, 02:35:14 PM
I learned that alcohol can encourage me to try and dance, and sing, at times.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2025, 02:38:48 PM
it's medicinal 

I had enuff yesterday during happy hour to make me happy
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 04, 2025, 02:45:01 PM
Memories:  I think it was 2006 when we had a "Board Meeting" in Austin, and I flew down to join in.  I recall meeting utee and many others there including UTErin, who I thought was pretty attractive.  We went to Utees tailgate and made a nice donation, probably not enough, and had plenty of food, and Gatorama and I decided to watch one of his TVs which was showing the WLOCP game, instead of watching Texas and Nebraska.  Somebody had asked us to watch their dog, which was a BULLDOG named Pearl.  Gator claimed later than this was unfair favoritism when UGA won the game.  Pearl was about 12 years old and pretty content to lie like a dog, and we were pretty content to sit and watch and comment.

I recall later most of us went to some bar downtown, I forget the details of that, it seemed fun.  I recall I had rented some cheap microcar and had four of us in it at one time, it barely had room for just me.  i THINK we had tacos somewhere.  My next trip to Austin was about 2016 where I somehow missed the good food spots, but I got to drive on COTA.

I know "we" had plans to meet up in Nashville and then a lot of us couldn't make it.  Maybe next time.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2025, 02:47:53 PM
I thought UTErin was pretty & attractive
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Post by: utee94 on March 04, 2025, 02:54:59 PM
Yup I miss UTerin hanging around.  I still interact with her occasionally on Facebok.

And it was 2007, my now 17-year-old daughter was a newborn, 3 or 4 weeks old at that point.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 04, 2025, 02:58:46 PM
Jimmy Johnson, the Pro Football Hall of Fame coach who won two Super Bowls and a college national championship, announced his retirement after being a part of NFL coverage for 31 years.
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Post by: bayareabadger on March 04, 2025, 03:03:26 PM
Jimmy Johnson, the Pro Football Hall of Fame coach who won two Super Bowls and a college national championship, announced his retirement after being a part of NFL coverage for 31 years.
That’s too bad. Might’ve been one of the more underrated sport-changing coaches of all time.

That said, he’s probably earned it.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 04, 2025, 03:24:26 PM
He's 81.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 04, 2025, 03:59:00 PM
Jimmy Johnson, the Pro Football Hall of Fame coach who won two Super Bowls and a college national championship, announced his retirement after being a part of NFL coverage for 31 years.

I sincerely hope they've got somebody other than Gronk lined up to take his place.

I heard Bradshaw might be on the chopping block as well.  I always liked him in the role, but at this point I get it.  He's been slipping for a few seasons now.  He's almost the Lee Corso of NFC on FOX.  
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Post by: FearlessF on March 05, 2025, 09:25:46 AM
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 07, 2025, 11:11:58 AM
Yesterday was quite rainy, and all of a sudden about 4 PM the power cut out. Didn't come back until sometime after midnight. 

My wife and I cooked on the stove as the [power] oven requires active power to be turned on and regulate temp, by flashlight. Miso cod, sauteed bok choy, and stir fried rice. Then just relaxed on the couch with our beer & wine and and the dog, reading our Kindles. 

It was actually kinda nice to not have any distractions. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2025, 11:15:21 AM
Yesterday was quite rainy, and all of a sudden about 4 PM the power cut out. Didn't come back until sometime after midnight.
Last night, we have three very brief power outages, like a second or so, and then the power went out for 5 minutes, then returned, then did it again for 5 minutes, then returned.  Some of the neighborhood was out longer and the traffic signals had switched to flashing red.  Maybe someone hit a transformer, we don't have them very often.

A long widely spread outage in a major city would be bad.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 07, 2025, 11:53:03 AM
A long widely spread outage in a major city would be bad.
Eh. Not as catastrophic as you'd think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2025, 12:12:52 PM
Catastrophic>> bad.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 07, 2025, 12:29:04 PM
I always get a kick out of the people that just build a house out in the middle of the Arizona strip, where they have to haul out their own water, and they need to hook up a generator if they ever need to use electricity for any reason.

(https://www.arizonahighways.com/sites/default/files/2024-12/0125_FringeBenefits_H.jpg)
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Post by: FearlessF on March 07, 2025, 12:50:56 PM
cheap dirt
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Post by: utee94 on March 07, 2025, 12:56:20 PM
And Fearless knows his dirt.
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2025, 12:57:12 PM
They probably collect rain water and have a wind mill.
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Post by: MrNubbz on March 07, 2025, 02:47:29 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/oregon-coach-dan-lanning-signs-contract-extension-through-2030-joins-fraternity-of-10-million-plus-coaches/

Oregon coach Dan Lanning has agreed to a contract restructure that makes him one of the highest-paid coaches in college football, according to Yahoo Sports. The deal pushes his six-year contract to an average of $11 million per year through 2030. It is fully guaranteed.

But winning the BIG then playing/winning that extra game looks nice in the books and trophy case though it didn't help. And tOSU got to rest and reset,plus got a playoff home game out of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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Post by: Cincydawg on March 07, 2025, 02:49:17 PM
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 08, 2025, 01:37:33 PM
cheap dirt
That particular dwelling is for a pair of park rangers. 


https://www.irmamagazines.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/AHM-2018-ctgy16-Mag-Writer-of-Yr.pdf


Six hour round trip by dirt road to the nearest grocery store, gas station, etc. 

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Helluva view though.

(https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/images/233A1283-copy.jpg?maxwidth=1300&autorotate=false)



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Post by: FearlessF on March 08, 2025, 02:11:34 PM
wonders what good work they're doing out there
and if they're paid for their mileage to get groceries
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 08, 2025, 03:25:04 PM
You just have to talk your way past them in order to get to the overlook, insofar as I could tell. Make sure you have a park pass and permit. I had neither at the time since I didn't expect anyone to be out there. They let me through anyway. 
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 09, 2025, 04:26:43 PM
Don't move here. We're in a doom spiral.
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Post by: bayareabadger on March 10, 2025, 09:55:37 AM
Don't move here. We're in a doom spiral.
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Scary.
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Post by: Gigem on March 11, 2025, 11:50:56 AM
I always get a kick out of the people that just build a house out in the middle of the Arizona strip, where they have to haul out their own water, and they need to hook up a generator if they ever need to use electricity for any reason.

(https://www.arizonahighways.com/sites/default/files/2024-12/0125_FringeBenefits_H.jpg)
Did it occur to you maybe they have a well?  
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Post by: Gigem on March 11, 2025, 11:56:01 AM
Don't move here. We're in a doom spiral.
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I remember my only trip to Ca and SF, 24 years ago. We crossed the Golden Gate Bridge, and it wasn’t long before we were in the country.  Running along the coast, I recall it looked very similar to this. Very strange ocean landscape compared to what we see in Tx. Here, about 5 miles before you get to the coast, it turns into a salt water marsh dead desert scape.  No trees, not much real grass, and lots of sand. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 11, 2025, 11:56:37 AM
Some may, but with that initial cost, most don't.  You literally see every third pickup truck with a quasi-permanent water tank in the bed out there in rural AZ.  They haul water, by and large.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2025, 12:02:51 PM
initial cost seems to be a much larger hurdle/barrier than is was decades ago.

at my previous job, we had to limit initial cost of installing an internet service or CATV service
$150 or $200 upfront killed opportunities

obviously, $10,000 or $15,000 for a well is just unobtainable for too many folks
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 11, 2025, 12:04:06 PM
Especially when you can buy an acre for $1500, lol. 

"The car is $500, but the wheels are $20,000."
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 11, 2025, 01:09:38 PM
Did it occur to you maybe they have a well? 
It would be an awfully dry well. There's a reason no one lives there, no water. No power either 
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Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2025, 01:47:26 PM
Sam Kinison would be proud
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 11, 2025, 02:24:36 PM
I remember my only trip to Ca and SF, 24 years ago. We crossed the Golden Gate Bridge, and it wasn’t long before we were in the country.  Running along the coast, I recall it looked very similar to this. Very strange ocean landscape compared to what we see in Tx. Here, about 5 miles before you get to the coast, it turns into a salt water marsh dead desert scape.  No trees, not much real grass, and lots of sand.
Yeah, this is just south of San Francisco, immediately south of Half Moon Bay, which is basically due west from where I live (about 25 minutes when there's no traffic on a Sunday morning). Fearless and his girls drove right past this when he was here not too long ago. This is farm country--they grow vegetables here--but because of California's coastline protection, we get the hiking path along the coast.

It was a terrible morning. /sarcasm.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2025, 03:23:11 PM
try the Gilroy garlic ice cream!
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 11, 2025, 03:53:52 PM
I love ice cream. 

I love garlic.

I have been to Gilroy many, many times.

I have never had garlic ice cream, and I never intend to.
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Post by: MrNubbz on March 11, 2025, 04:10:52 PM
Sam Kinison would be proud
Wha.....,splain pleeze,shoulda shot your ass in Da Nang when I had the chance
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Post by: FearlessF on March 11, 2025, 06:13:36 PM
https://youtu.be/M0LUdqFJEPI
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Post by: Gigem on March 11, 2025, 11:04:25 PM
It would be an awfully dry well. There's a reason no one lives there, no water. No power either
And you’re an expert in underground water there?  Not saying it’s a slam dunk, but I’ve talked to plenty of drillers in Arizona and New Mexico who drill wells in dry places every day. 
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Post by: Gigem on March 11, 2025, 11:06:39 PM
initial cost seems to be a much larger hurdle/barrier than is was decades ago.

at my previous job, we had to limit initial cost of installing an internet service or CATV service
$150 or $200 upfront killed opportunities

obviously, $10,000 or $15,000 for a well is just unobtainable for too many folks
Probably $20-30,000 for a well there. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 11, 2025, 11:50:07 PM
Some locations are 1,500-3,000' to the water...
AZ water depths (https://www.azwater.gov/hydrology/depth-water-data)
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 12, 2025, 07:46:09 AM
And you’re an expert in underground water there?  Not saying it’s a slam dunk, but I’ve talked to plenty of drillers in Arizona and New Mexico who drill wells in dry places every day.


Well it's not too far from where I live, so yes. I know where they go to fill up their water tanks, and I've seen them fill up their water tanks. So I'm not just completely talking out of my ass here. 

Obviously the Grand Canyon is right there. So a surface level water table is unlikely, as it would just drain into the canyon. Basements are also really uncommon around here because you'd have to dig into a bunch of thick rock in order to build one, and it's hella expensive. Said thick rock would also be a pretty big hindrance for digging a deep well, obviously.  
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Post by: Gigem on March 12, 2025, 07:48:54 AM

Well it's not too far from where I live, so yes. I know where they go to fill up their water tanks, and I've seen them fill up their water tanks. So I'm not just completely talking out of my ass here.

Obviously the Grand Canyon is right there. So a surface level water table is unlikely, as it would just drain into the canyon. Basements are also really uncommon around here because you'd have to dig into a bunch of thick rock in order to build one, and it's hella expensive. Said thick rock would also be a pretty big hindrance for digging a deep well, obviously. 
They have DTH (down hole hammers) and big air compressors to bust through. 

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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 12, 2025, 07:55:12 AM
Sure, fine. They all have wells. Water is abundant on the Arizona strip. It's like a giant oasis in the desert. 
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Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2025, 07:59:18 AM
Probably $20-30,000 for a well there.
I guess it depends on your commitment. You gonna be there for 20+ years?
might balance out with lot vs well here.  $40K of the lot and $10K for the well.
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Post by: Gigem on March 12, 2025, 08:18:54 AM
I guess it depends on your commitment. You gonna be there for 20+ years?
might balance out with lot vs well here.  $40K of the lot and $10K for the well.
I don't understand the question.  $30K for 20 years, about $1500 a year.  The electricity to run the well is minimal, probably less than $20 per month.  How much will they spend hauling water, on fuel and time?  Much more.  How much does it cost to build a house now?  $300,000-500,000 for a "starter home".  I'm guessing building in the middle of nowhere is inherently expensive, but being out by yourself and not dependent on gov't and other people is what they're after.  
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Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2025, 08:24:12 AM
just sayin, if you're gonna set a trailer or even a new double-wide and only be there 5 years.....
or build a house on a tight budget, not knowing if you're going to be there more than 10 years, you might leave the well to the next owner

fuel & time hauling water?  obviously, you get water when you also make a trip for groceries and or other reasons.  It's a long drive to anywhere
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Post by: Gigem on March 12, 2025, 08:34:36 AM
just sayin, if you're gonna set a trailer or even a new double-wide and only be there 5 years.....
or build a house on a tight budget, not knowing if you're going to be there more than 10 years, you might leave the well to the next owner

fuel & time hauling water?  obviously, you get water when you also make a trip for groceries and or other reasons.  It's a long drive to anywhere
As a person who installs water systems for a living, this is simply hard for me to grasp.  Do you just forget the power too, because that can be expensive as well.  What about a roof?  You really don't need it in the desert, it doesn't rain much.  Just throw some chairs and couches out in the middle of the lot, maybe put some walls up for a wind break.  Roofs are expensive, maybe leave that to the next owner. 

Not sure how much water they're hauling, but it's 8.3 lbs per gallon.  Average person uses about 300 gallons per day, or 600 gallons for a family of 2, or 4,980 lbs of water per day.  I suppose you could get by with much less, say 50 gallons each.  I've seen the totes that fit in the back of a pickup, I  think they hold about 300 gallons.  So 2,490 lbs of water in the bed of your F250 or 350 truck, every 4th day.  I can't imagine what kind of wear and tear that puts on tires and vehicles, except I can because I deal with it every day. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2025, 08:36:35 AM
100 gallons/person/day is the max use we always design for (per EPA criteria).
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Post by: Gigem on March 12, 2025, 08:37:14 AM
100 gallons/person/day is the max use we always design for (per EPA criteria).
For what?  Surely not for a home? 
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Post by: FearlessF on March 12, 2025, 08:41:51 AM
I'm guessing folks that live in that area get by on much less water than average, even if they have a well.
If they're haulin water???  WAY less
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 12, 2025, 09:11:04 AM
For what?  Surely not for a home?
Yes, for a home. That's city water, not well. I know with an RO system you'd use a lot more than 100 gallons. More like 300.
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Post by: Gigem on March 12, 2025, 09:22:57 AM
Our water usage for a family of 4 is about 8,000 gallons per month.  Just under 300 gallons per day.  About 66 gallons per person per day.  So I guess that is about right.  
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Post by: Gigem on March 12, 2025, 09:25:40 AM
As a person who installs water systems for a living, this is simply hard for me to grasp.  Do you just forget the power too, because that can be expensive as well.  What about a roof?  You really don't need it in the desert, it doesn't rain much.  Just throw some chairs and couches out in the middle of the lot, maybe put some walls up for a wind break.  Roofs are expensive, maybe leave that to the next owner. 

Not sure how much water they're hauling, but it's 8.3 lbs per gallon.  Average person uses about 300 gallons per day, or 600 gallons for a family of 2, or 4,980 lbs of water per day.  I suppose you could get by with much less, say 50 gallons each.  I've seen the totes that fit in the back of a pickup, I  think they hold about 300 gallons.  So 2,490 lbs of water in the bed of your F250 or 350 truck, every 4th day.  I can't imagine what kind of wear and tear that puts on tires and vehicles, except I can because I deal with it every day.
I realized I was mistaken on my usage, the average person uses 60-100 gallons per day per person.  Average home uses 300 gallons per day.  
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Post by: Gigem on March 12, 2025, 09:31:27 AM
Sure, fine. They all have wells. Water is abundant on the Arizona strip. It's like a giant oasis in the desert.
Well, I'm truly not trying to be argumentative.  I'm genuinely curious.  Post up the general area, I'd like to investigate how much water is underground there.  
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 12, 2025, 11:59:43 AM
It's kind of a moot point. There's three small communities that all have water and power, and there's probably less than a dozen people trying to eek by on the rest of the strip. Most of the land is locked up in National Parks, Monuments, wilderness areas, etc.

The few that do live there live in hardscrabble houses straight out of Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Post by: utee94 on March 14, 2025, 10:27:33 AM
THIS is why we tell you people not to move to Texas...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb3ipveinKs
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Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2025, 10:38:37 AM
and don't attend Tech!
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Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2025, 03:35:44 PM
in other news........... I'm unemployed and officially retired again.

Zoom meeting this morning - canned the communications segment - all 8 of us.
a couple got offered other positions in the company - feel bad for the rest of the team.  None of them are old enough to be in my position.

I'm fine with it.  Golf course opens Monday morning!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 14, 2025, 04:04:06 PM
in other news........... I'm unemployed and officially retired again.

Zoom meeting this morning - canned the communications segment - all 8 of us.
a couple got offered other positions in the company - feel bad for the rest of the team.  None of them are old enough to be in my position.

I'm fine with it.  Golf course opens Monday morning!
Damn. Sorry(?) to hear...

Did you get a retirement package (i.e. severance) on your way out since it's a layoff?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 14, 2025, 04:17:43 PM
I'll take this as good news for FF. Corngrats.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 14, 2025, 07:51:30 PM
I'm guessing folks that live in that area get by on much less water than average, even if they have a well.
If they're haulin water???  WAY less
Agreed.
"hauling water" and "average use" are 2 terms that don't belong in the same discussion.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2025, 10:10:58 PM
I'll take this as good news for FF. Corngrats.
it's good news
thanks!!!
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Post by: FearlessF on March 14, 2025, 10:11:50 PM
Damn. Sorry(?) to hear...

Did you get a retirement package (i.e. severance) on your way out since it's a layoff?

not much of one
Oh well,  I'm happy
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Post by: utee94 on March 15, 2025, 01:40:03 AM
Happy Retirement Day Fearless!
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Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2025, 09:50:23 AM
thanks
I didn't have a very stressing job, but this is freedom!
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Post by: Riffraft on March 15, 2025, 02:03:46 PM
in other news........... I'm unemployed and officially retired again.

Zoom meeting this morning - canned the communications segment - all 8 of us.
a couple got offered other positions in the company - feel bad for the rest of the team.  None of them are old enough to be in my position.

I'm fine with it.  Golf course opens Monday morning!
Been retired almost a year.  You will find that retirement is great. 
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Post by: FearlessF on March 15, 2025, 02:39:02 PM
I hope so
I'm bored easily
need another hobby besides this board, golf, driving the Vette, and swilling beer
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 15, 2025, 07:25:52 PM
PSA: Never trust any data you care about to a single storage device. ESPECIALLY if it's a USB thumb drive. 

Thankfully, what precipitated this post wasn't a loss of important data. It was a loss of unimportant but useful data on a thumb drive, which forced me into some frustration and eventual workarounds to do what I wanted to do. Basically it was my bootable Ubuntu installer which I needed for a project today, and if I hadn't figured out the workarounds, I would have stalled a project until mid-week because I wouldn't have an appropriate PC to do what I wanted until I go to the office this week. 

All important data should be stored in a primary location with at least one backup, and it's HIGHLY recommended to also have an offsite backup for your backup. This is part of the project--I'm replacing a dead home "server" PC with a new one, and one of the things I want to do with it is to be the PC that handles sync with a cloud storage company for offsite backup. If you can't do offsite, you should have at least a third level of onsite redundancy. 

But as someone who is deeply embedded in the data storage industry, it's important to highlight that if you use an unreliable storage media as your backup, you essentially don't have one. And USB thumb drives are a tremendously unreliable storage media. NAND flash, like many chips, is subject to "binning", meaning that based on testing of the wafer before it's cut into individual chips, the quality grade of each chip is known. The highest quality will end up in enterprise SSDs, client SSDs, UFS/eMMC chips (especially for mobile or industrial use where reliability is key), etc. The lowest quality have to end up somewhere, and it isn't the trash can. That's what goes into USB thumb drives--PARTICUARLY those of the cheap or unknown brands that seem alarmingly inexpensive. (Of note: the device that died was a 32GB drive that was a free add-on from Micro Center. The actual vendor is unknown to me as it it was white labeled as a "Micro Center" flash drive. It was the bottom of the barrel.)

So my frustration was the impetus to say this:




I'm sure all of you have data that you can't afford to lose. And you probably have data that you can "afford" to lose, i.e. digital photos / home videos and the like, but your significant other will make the loss of that data VERY painful for you lol... The cost to protect that data is much less than the pain of finding out it's gone. 
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Post by: utee94 on March 16, 2025, 05:10:45 AM
PSA: Never trust any data you care about to a single storage device. ESPECIALLY if it's a USB thumb drive.

Thankfully, what precipitated this post wasn't a loss of important data. It was a loss of unimportant but useful data on a thumb drive, which forced me into some frustration and eventual workarounds to do what I wanted to do. Basically it was my bootable Ubuntu installer which I needed for a project today, and if I hadn't figured out the workarounds, I would have stalled a project until mid-week because I wouldn't have an appropriate PC to do what I wanted until I go to the office this week.

All important data should be stored in a primary location with at least one backup, and it's HIGHLY recommended to also have an offsite backup for your backup. This is part of the project--I'm replacing a dead home "server" PC with a new one, and one of the things I want to do with it is to be the PC that handles sync with a cloud storage company for offsite backup. If you can't do offsite, you should have at least a third level of onsite redundancy.

But as someone who is deeply embedded in the data storage industry, it's important to highlight that if you use an unreliable storage media as your backup, you essentially don't have one. And USB thumb drives are a tremendously unreliable storage media. NAND flash, like many chips, is subject to "binning", meaning that based on testing of the wafer before it's cut into individual chips, the quality grade of each chip is known. The highest quality will end up in enterprise SSDs, client SSDs, UFS/eMMC chips (especially for mobile or industrial use where reliability is key), etc. The lowest quality have to end up somewhere, and it isn't the trash can. That's what goes into USB thumb drives--PARTICUARLY those of the cheap or unknown brands that seem alarmingly inexpensive. (Of note: the device that died was a 32GB drive that was a free add-on from Micro Center. The actual vendor is unknown to me as it it was white labeled as a "Micro Center" flash drive. It was the bottom of the barrel.)

So my frustration was the impetus to say this:


  • Back up your important data.
  • Back it up on reliable media. Test the backup frequently.
  • Back up your backup. Do it offsite if at all possible.


I'm sure all of you have data that you can't afford to lose. And you probably have data that you can "afford" to lose, i.e. digital photos / home videos and the like, but your significant other will make the loss of that data VERY painful for you lol... The cost to protect that data is much less than the pain of finding out it's gone.

Did I ever tell you that my first gig at my current company was supply chain for tape storage?  We still sell something like $300M worth of tape storage every year believe it or not.
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Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2025, 06:17:06 AM
in other news........... I'm unemployed and officially retired again.

Zoom meeting this morning - canned the communications segment - all 8 of us.
a couple got offered other positions in the company - feel bad for the rest of the team.  None of them are old enough to be in my position.

I'm fine with it.  Golf course opens Monday morning!
Lucky bastage I'm back to work in a warehouse (excersize mostly) and working with an old Bud. Scanning,inventory and bean counting are a pain in the arse,oh and ice fishing season is over
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Post by: MrNubbz on March 16, 2025, 06:19:10 AM
I hope so
I'm bored easily
need another hobby besides this board, golf, driving the Vette, and swilling beer
at least until CFB Season resurfaces
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Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2025, 10:23:25 AM
yup, perhaps I'll watch more baseball this season

as your the warehouse gig, your Bud hopefully appreciates the effort and exercise is good
I've hit the elliptical for 30 straight days - even finding the fitness room at the holiday Inn when on the road
Pretty sure I could walk 18 holes if it's too wet for carts
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 16, 2025, 10:42:37 AM
Did I ever tell you that my first gig at my current company was supply chain for tape storage?  We still sell something like $300M worth of tape storage every year believe it or not.
Yeah, about 10% of worldwide installed data center storage capacity is tape. Not bad for a technology that was "dead" 30 years ago :57:
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Post by: Riffraft on March 16, 2025, 12:58:31 PM
I hope so
I'm bored easily
need another hobby besides this board, golf, driving the Vette, and swilling beer
Dont drive a vette, but added smoking a good cigar, go out to bar to swill beer and play trivia.  Also spending the first 2 years doing a lot of traveling.

However the wife is complaining we spend too much time on the couch watching tv. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2025, 01:02:48 PM
I'm semi-retired and busier than ever. Always something to do around here. Lots of really good friends.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2025, 01:05:00 PM
I enjoy a good cigar on the back 9 once a week or so - try not to make it a 3 or 5 time a week habit, but if a buddy stops by.........
I walk to the small town bar for hot wings on Wednesdays - try not to make that a 4 or 5 times a week habit as well
I plan to do some traveling - driving trips - hopefully to meet some of youse fellas from the board
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 16, 2025, 03:14:06 PM
Is Tiger Woods done? Lots of people writing on that these days.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 16, 2025, 03:49:48 PM
hope so
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 16, 2025, 04:26:06 PM
I think it helps to be a toiler.  One who toils.  I look forward to retirement in 10-12 years because it'll give me more time to try all the little projects and ideas I can't get to with a career and a side business.

There must be things you never explored that you wanted to or intended to.  Or maybe write?  
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 16, 2025, 04:27:57 PM


What's the hardest that you can get away with pinching someone if they aren't wearing green on St Patrick's Day?

Can you aim for a pressure point?

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Post by: bayareabadger on March 16, 2025, 05:27:43 PM
Is Tiger Woods done? Lots of people writing on that these days.
On the one hand, he is all banged up and out for an extended period.

On the other, it’s golf? You can play golf pretty late in life, right?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2025, 09:08:55 AM
Not at the level he wants to play. If he can't win, he won't play. He's said this.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 17, 2025, 11:31:32 AM
he can make a lot of money on the senior tour
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 17, 2025, 12:11:08 PM
he can make a lot of money on the senior tour
Pretty sure Tiger's not hurting for money...

On the one hand, he is all banged up and out for an extended period.

On the other, it’s golf? You can play golf pretty late in life, right?

Of course. But can you be competitive? On the PGA Tour? With a bunch of people who are two+ decades your junior, AND in perfect physical condition?

The problem is twofold. One, the physical damage he's done to his body makes it very difficult for him to practice enough to keep his game at a high level. Second, the specific physical damage he's done to his legs/ankles makes it hard to walk 72 holes of golf in four days WHILE maintaining enough energy to be competitive. I.e. in last year's Masters, he played well enough on Thurs/Fri and made the cut, but by Saturday and Sunday his game was just falling apart because his body can't take all the walking. 

I think he's going to keep trying to chase PGA Tour win #83, because he's tied the record at 82 and one more gives him sole ownership of that record--one that may never fall. But he might just be too broken down to do it now. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on March 17, 2025, 12:21:04 PM
Pretty sure Tiger's not hurting for money...

Of course. But can you be competitive? On the PGA Tour? With a bunch of people who are two+ decades your junior, AND in perfect physical condition?

The problem is twofold. One, the physical damage he's done to his body makes it very difficult for him to practice enough to keep his game at a high level. Second, the specific physical damage he's done to his legs/ankles makes it hard to walk 72 holes of golf in four days WHILE maintaining enough energy to be competitive. I.e. in last year's Masters, he played well enough on Thurs/Fri and made the cut, but by Saturday and Sunday his game was just falling apart because his body can't take all the walking.

I think he's going to keep trying to chase PGA Tour win #83, because he's tied the record at 82 and one more gives him sole ownership of that record--one that may never fall. But he might just be too broken down to do it now.
I’ll cop to this, I thought the old guys who won tournaments might have won at later ages than they did.

Yeah, he’s cooked.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 17, 2025, 12:24:06 PM
He can barely walk 18 now. He's not gonna walk on the senior tour. No way.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 17, 2025, 12:26:36 PM
I haven't followed it closely, but I feel like he never fully returned to form after his 2009 car wreck and the cheating scandle. And continued car wrecks just kept making things worse. Isn't there also a question about whether he was a steroid user, which might have lead to premature damage to his body? Definitely had trouble relating to drugs and alcohol. How must it feel to have come soooo close to being considered the greatest golfer ever, only to have that slip away?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 17, 2025, 12:37:26 PM
I’ll cop to this, I thought the old guys who won tournaments might have won at later ages than they did.

Yeah, he’s cooked.
There have been a few. Phil Mickelson won a major a month shy of 51 years old. There have been a couple others who have won standard PGA Tour events past 50. 

But Tiger's beat the shit out of his body, on top of the age problem. 

How must it feel to have come soooo close to being considered the greatest golfer ever, only to have that slip away?

Eh. I think most golf fans place him and Jack as a 1a/1b sort of thing, the only debate being which is a and which is b. And Tiger does share Snead's record for most wins at 82. So there are already some fans that consider him the greatest golfer ever--especially since as the sport has progressed, it's only gotten more and more competitive than it was in Snead or Nicklaus' days...
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 17, 2025, 12:41:02 PM
I'm not a big enough golf fan to really know, but way back in the days that he was still winning major championships, my recollection is that even if he had taken that record from Nicklaus, Nicklaus still had an overwhelming number of second places. But, Tiger didn't get the major tournament record.

Agreed that it is more competitive now--that's also likely why it's only getting harder to win in your 40s (let alone later). Everyone hits the ball much further now. Pretty hard to do that through a tournament with a middle-aged body.
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Post by: Gigem on March 17, 2025, 01:52:06 PM
I haven't followed it closely, but I feel like he never fully returned to form after his 2009 car wreck and the cheating scandle. And continued car wrecks just kept making things worse. Isn't there also a question about whether he was a steroid user, which might have lead to premature damage to his body? Definitely had trouble relating to drugs and alcohol. How must it feel to have come soooo close to being considered the greatest golfer ever, only to have that slip away?
I hadn't followed any sort of golf closely, ever.  But jesus, has it really been that long since the whole scandal broke?  He would have been in his early to mid-30's at that point.  I think I'm the same age as Tiger ('75), at least it seems that we're close in age.  I just remember there was a lot of noise about him not being able to play tournaments due to injuries, back injuries, a lot of different factors.  When he would play there would be a lot of noise about him doing well the first day or so and then by the end doing very poorly.  I never really considered how much abuse even a golfer could put on their body over time.  
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Post by: bayareabadger on March 17, 2025, 02:08:09 PM
There have been a few. Phil Mickelson won a major a month shy of 51 years old. There have been a couple others who have won standard PGA Tour events past 50.

Yeah, I thought the ceiling was a bit higher. He's not much younger than Phil and has a big recovery ahead. 
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 18, 2025, 12:52:40 PM
Teenage driver learned hard lesson yesterday. Took corner too fast, car broke loose, slid into curb. Snapped passenger side front wheel control arm (the part that holds the wheel in place). I really, really, really hope the insurance company doesn't total it. It can be repaired, it's just a question of cost vs. value. No one was hurt, and the only damage was to our own property (i.e., the car). There's a reason teenage insurance rates are higher.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 18, 2025, 01:02:11 PM
there's a reason a teenager's first vehicle shouldn't be too expensive
most have something like this happen
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2025, 01:06:02 PM
Ouch.
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Post by: jgvol on March 18, 2025, 01:10:57 PM
Teenage driver learned hard lesson yesterday. Took corner too fast, car broke loose, slid into curb. Snapped passenger side front wheel control arm (the part that holds the wheel in place). I really, really, really hope the insurance company doesn't total it. It can be repaired, it's just a question of cost vs. value. No one was hurt, and the only damage was to our own property (i.e., the car). There's a reason teenage insurance rates are higher.

Glad for no injuries.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 18, 2025, 01:11:14 PM
there's a reason a teenager's first vehicle shouldn't be too expensive
most have something like this happen
Yeah. Ordinarily drives the cheap car. For a variety of stupid reasons, he had the better car. Sigh. Fortunately, our better car isn't that expensive.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 18, 2025, 01:19:06 PM
Teenage driver learned hard lesson yesterday. Took corner too fast, car broke loose, slid into curb. Snapped passenger side front wheel control arm (the part that holds the wheel in place). I really, really, really hope the insurance company doesn't total it. It can be repaired, it's just a question of cost vs. value. No one was hurt, and the only damage was to our own property (i.e., the car). There's a reason teenage insurance rates are higher.
Ugh, that sucks. Glad nobody was hurt. 

Hopefully it's not too expensive. When I got rear-ended a couple years ago it was barely perceptible damage, and the other guy's insurance still ended up paying ~$4K for the repair plus getting me a rental for 4 days or so. And that was just a Ford Flex, so not some extraordinarily expensive car to fix...
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 18, 2025, 01:22:00 PM
I just had some jerk hit my car and just drive off while we were eating. Of course, he had to scrape both doors. I was very pissed when I came out and saw it. Still am. It's gonna be expensive to fix, I'm sure. It's creased.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 18, 2025, 01:30:13 PM
Gross. That sucks.
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Post by: utee94 on March 18, 2025, 03:24:15 PM
I hate people.

@SF-- glad there were no injuries.  If they do total it just because of the cost, you don't have to accept a salvage title on the vehicle if you want it back.  If a fix gets it drivable enough to pass inspection then there's no cause for a salvage title.  That is of course IF you still want the car back.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 18, 2025, 03:28:04 PM
Yeah, if it comes to that, we'll just have to decide what we want to do. Maybe we want to use the total/salvage value to buy a new (or new to us) car. I don't think so, but that wouldn't be irrational. Will just have to see. The boy will get to pony up some of the cash related to all this. I'm not going to break him, but we will make him feel the impact. Hopefully the lesson will be (at least partially) learned.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 18, 2025, 03:44:44 PM
Finally back at work today after a surgery last Monday.  A procedure normally associated with much older men.  Ugh.....I feel like I'm recovering like a much older man too.

I think I have no choice but to make it official and purchase an actual "Get Off My Lawn" sign to put out front. 

My dad always said I've been an old fart since I was a toddler.  Guess he's right.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 18, 2025, 03:45:30 PM
I built up an impressive amount of work emails while I was away.  Makes me seem way more important than I actually am.  
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Post by: utee94 on March 18, 2025, 03:47:27 PM
Just shift-delete them all.  If they REALLY need something from you, they'll write you back.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 18, 2025, 03:47:53 PM
@SFBadger96 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=51) , yikes......glad nobody was hurt.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2025, 08:05:19 AM
I let a friend drive my car when I was in HS and he cracked it up, along with 3 other cars. My dad was super pissed, and rightly so.

My car sat until I had the money to get it fixed. About 6 months later I had my car back.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 19, 2025, 08:35:19 AM
Very happy to know that the astronauts are back safe. I hope they are OK long-term. 10 months in space is a long time.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 19, 2025, 09:37:11 AM
I wonder what they do to stop muscle atrophy.  I remember learning way back in elementary school that there's risks with joints and the ligaments and tendons that were considered mostly impossible to mitigate.  As far as not responding well to returning to gravity after a prolonged period, I mean.  I don't know what's the longest anyone spent in space back then, so I don't know if that was theory or empirical fact. 

At any rate, I hope they're all physically able to resume normal life in short order with no long term consequences.  
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Post by: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 19, 2025, 02:06:42 PM
They do have resistance training on the space station to keep muscles from atrophy. I don't think that it is completely sufficient to keep muscles up to par per say, but it is better than nothing. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 19, 2025, 03:51:37 PM
They have my respect.

I think I would've crapped my pants and then died of a heart attack the minute I found out I was trapped in space beyond the precise amount of time I was supposed to be there, with no immediate Plan B to get me home.  
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Post by: bayareabadger on March 19, 2025, 04:07:04 PM

They have my respect.

I think I would've crapped my pants and then died of a heart attack the minute I found out I was trapped in space beyond the precise amount of time I was supposed to be there, with no immediate Plan B to get me home. 
On the one hand, I feel that. On the other, I have a sense if I trusted someone to send me up there at all, I’d have a weird level of faith they’d get me back. 

Granted, I’ve developed some skills related to rolling with punches and just flipping off that freak out impulse.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2025, 09:36:48 PM
I'd have never trusted someone to send me up there at all

very similar to me as traveling half way around the earth just to visit some god forsaken country that isn't real friendly to Americans 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on March 19, 2025, 09:48:39 PM
I'd have never trusted someone to send me up there at all

very similar to me as traveling half way around the earth just to visit some god forsaken country that isn't real friendly to Americans
apolitical thread
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Post by: FearlessF on March 19, 2025, 10:21:57 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/what-nine-months-in-space-does-to-the-human-body/ar-AA1BggBX?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=10ed12a055494921ef16df53cc4c3bd1&ei=19 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/what-nine-months-in-space-does-to-the-human-body/ar-AA1BggBX?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=10ed12a055494921ef16df53cc4c3bd1&ei=19)

'Accelerated ageing'
The heart and your blood vessels also have an easier time as they no longer have to pump blood against gravity - and they start to weaken.

And the bones become weaker and more brittle.

There should be a balance between the cells breaking down old bone and those making new.

But that balance is disrupted without the feedback and resistance of working against gravity.

"Every month, about 1% of their bone and muscles are going to wither away – it's accelerated ageing," Prof Bailey says.

And this becomes apparent on the return to Earth.

The video below shows the astronauts needing support to get their bodies out of the capsule and on to a stretcher.

All of this is why astronauts go up to space in tip-top physical condition.

Then, their daily routine involves two hours of exercise – a combination of treadmill, cycling machine and weights - to maintain as much muscle and bone health as possible.
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Post by: Gigem on March 20, 2025, 09:33:47 AM
They have my respect.

I think I would've crapped my pants and then died of a heart attack the minute I found out I was trapped in space beyond the precise amount of time I was supposed to be there, with no immediate Plan B to get me home. 
Well, both astronauts have been to space before, for long periods of time.  These were very experienced astronauts, and also accomplished military pilots.

Also, the spacecraft that brought them home was already docked to the ISS since Sept 2024.  They're ticket home has always been available, it just wasn't convenient to bring them home right away due to logistics and such.  

I have to say I'm extremely disappointed in the way Elon Musk has acted about this whole episode.  
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Post by: ELA on March 20, 2025, 12:58:33 PM
Georgia should pay all NIL in Uber gift cards

https://twitter.com/On3sports/status/1902738281520931190
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 20, 2025, 01:55:35 PM
"Nitro" is a great name for a WR.  Right on up there with a RB named "Swift." 
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Post by: Gigem on March 20, 2025, 05:41:04 PM
Down to around 258. Fasting one day per week, watching my diet slightly. 
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 24, 2025, 11:01:57 AM
SFBadger96
SFIrish96
SFGopher29

:-)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2025, 11:03:25 AM
SFBadger96
SFIrish96
SFGopher29

:-)
Whoa...
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Post by: utee94 on March 24, 2025, 11:12:40 AM
A Gopher in the family?????  Oof.
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Post by: FearlessF on March 24, 2025, 11:15:30 AM
oof dah
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Post by: utee94 on March 24, 2025, 11:16:14 AM
I shouldn't talk, there's a decent chance my daughter ends up at Texas A&M. :(

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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 24, 2025, 11:45:29 AM
I know, right? Better that than Ohio State, though. Kid is happy. The delayed (because of Spring Break) St. Patty's day activities along Greek Row, and the cute blond in the university's gym who told him about how much she loves the university didn't hurt...

Alas, my alma mater didn't give him the chance to choose.

Also, my dad's family is from Minneapolis, and has pretty significant ties to the university. They (the extended family, not my dad) were a little annoyed at me when I chose Wisconsin back in the day.
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Post by: utee94 on March 24, 2025, 11:48:19 AM
I know, right? Better that than Ohio State, though. Kid is happy. The delayed (because of Spring Break) St. Patty's day activities along Greek Row, and the cute blond in the university's gym who told him about how much she loves the university didn't hurt...

Alas, my alma mater didn't give him the chance to choose.
Yeah I think that's where we're going to end up as well, with my daughter's college application process.  She's going to apply at Texas but it's extremely difficult to get into.  She's a straight-A student taking all AP/Honors classes, but she's not a straight A+ student so she's not in the top 6% of her class, which is what it takes to get admitted to UT.

Top 10% gets into A&M so she's got that covered easily.
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Post by: MrNubbz on March 24, 2025, 11:49:42 AM
I shouldn't talk, there's a decent chance my daughter ends up at Texas A&M. :(

Prayers sent
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2025, 11:50:34 AM
I know, right? Better that than Ohio State, though. Kid is happy. The delayed (because of Spring Break) St. Patty's day activities along Greek Row, and the cute blond in the university's gym who told him about how much she loves the university didn't hurt...

Alas, my alma mater didn't give him the chance to choose.

Also, my dad's family is from Minneapolis, and has pretty significant ties to the university. They (the extended family, not my dad) were a little annoyed at me when I chose Wisconsin back in the day.
That's a bummer.

You, of course, made the right choice for yourself.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 24, 2025, 11:58:29 AM
Rumor is that college enrollment/applications are dropping a little right now, but it's still way more competitive than when we applied to college. Back then, at least out in California, Wisconsin was pretty unknown, only about 20% out of state (not including Minnesota) students, and overwhelminingly midwestern. Now Wisconsin is about 50% out of state, significantly more competitive for everyone, and a "hot" school in California.

Curiously, until about two years ago, Minnesota was almost as competitive as Wisconsin out of state, but for some reason in the last couple of years, Minnesota has eased up a little--which was good for the boy, who didn't cover himself in glory in high school, but tested well because he's really freaking smart.

As much as it pained me to spend money in the University of Minnesota bookstore's apparel section, I'm excited for him. He's going to have a great time.

And I'll have a really good excuse to go out for the Axe game...maybe every year?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2025, 12:02:39 PM
Rumor is that college enrollment/applications are dropping a little right now, but it's still way more competitive than when we applied to college. Back then, at least out in California, Wisconsin was pretty unknown, only about 20% out of state (not including Minnesota) students, and overwhelminingly midwestern. Now Wisconsin is about 50% out of state, significantly more competitive for everyone, and a "hot" school in California.

Curiously, until about two years ago, Minnesota was almost as competitive as Wisconsin out of state, but for some reason in the last couple of years, Minnesota has eased up a little--which was good for the boy, who didn't cover himself in glory in high school, but tested well because he's really freaking smart.

As much as it pained me to spend money in the University of Minnesota bookstore's apparel section, I'm excited for him. He's going to have a great time.

And I'll have a really good excuse to go out for the Axe game...maybe every year?
I wish UW could win those again.
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Post by: Gigem on March 24, 2025, 12:30:55 PM
Yeah I think that's where we're going to end up as well, with my daughter's college application process.  She's going to apply at Texas but it's extremely difficult to get into.  She's a straight-A student taking all AP/Honors classes, but she's not a straight A+ student so she's not in the top 6% of her class, which is what it takes to get admitted to UT.

Top 10% gets into A&M so she's got that covered easily.
It doesn’t hurt that A&M admits about 2x the students that Tx does. Not 2x, but close. 

My oldest is graduating in May from SHSU. Didn’t want no part of the big school experience. 
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Post by: utee94 on March 24, 2025, 12:33:32 PM
It doesn’t hurt that A&M admits about 2x the students that Tx does. Not 2x, but close.

My oldest is graduating in May from SHSU. Didn’t want no part of the big school experience.
Well yeah, capping admissions is exactly why Texas has moved from admitting the top 10%, to the top 8, then the top 7, and now the top 6.  Even 5 years ago she would have gotten into Texas.  Now it's pretty much an impossibility.

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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 24, 2025, 12:42:42 PM
I shouldn't talk, there's a decent chance my daughter ends up at Texas A&M. :(

I'd make a smart-alec comment about this, but considering the fact I loved my time in College Station with the Aggie co-eds, I can't bring myself to do it.  

Everything about that is different in retrospect.  At the time I thought "Yay for me."  Now I think "26 yr old dude, chatting up 20 yr old girls.....kinda creepy."  

I used to think "She's' hot, she's here, and I'm here" and that's about the extent of it.  Now I think "that's somebody's daughter, and they didn't send her out into the world to make out with me."  

I think.......I regret that I don't regret it :)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 24, 2025, 02:23:53 PM
Rumor is that college enrollment/applications are dropping a little right now, but it's still way more competitive than when we applied to college. Back then, at least out in California, Wisconsin was pretty unknown, only about 20% out of state (not including Minnesota) students, and overwhelminingly midwestern. Now Wisconsin is about 50% out of state, significantly more competitive for everyone, and a "hot" school in California.

Curiously, until about two years ago, Minnesota was almost as competitive as Wisconsin out of state, but for some reason in the last couple of years, Minnesota has eased up a little--which was good for the boy, who didn't cover himself in glory in high school, but tested well because he's really freaking smart.

As much as it pained me to spend money in the University of Minnesota bookstore's apparel section, I'm excited for him. He's going to have a great time.

And I'll have a really good excuse to go out for the Axe game...maybe every year?
What are his expectations of... Winter?

Has he ever spent significant time in the upper Midwest in winter? 

My kid's first choice is Berkeley, but is definitely interested in Purdue & Michigan. But being born and raised in SoCal, he's terrified of how cold it's going to be if he ends up at either. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2025, 02:28:05 PM
The cold skips over Madison and goes straight to Illinois.
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Post by: utee94 on March 24, 2025, 02:28:23 PM
I was looking at Air Force Academy, Michigan, and Northwestern.

Winter DID factor into my ultimate choice.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 24, 2025, 02:33:29 PM
He's visited the midwest a couple of times with some pretty rough weather, this last weekend included. It wasn't brutally cold, but it was pretty grey and miserable--including 18 degrees Saturday when we started on campus in Minneapolis. He also visited Pennsylvania when it was in the single digits. My in-laws live in New England, so he has experienced pretty cold Christmases a few times. 

Long story short: he knows it will be cold, and that it will last longer than it does on trips, but he really focused his college search in the upper midwest, so you get what you choose. I went to Wisconsin from the Bay Area and I used to be alternately amused and annoyed when people would ask me about the cold. I knew Wisconsin would be cold. It was. In school it never really bothered me (and being a recreational hockey player, the cold is a feature, not a bug). But I am curious to see how he feels about it come February next year. They don't build tunnels between all the buildings because of the beautiful sunny days.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 24, 2025, 02:35:05 PM
I was amused by the Michigander who pointed out that while Minneapolis gets plenty cold, she thinks Michigan is more gray because of the lake effect. Could be. In Wisconsin they say that Michigan gets more of the extremes than Wisconsin does for that reason, whereas in Minnesota, they get the cold fronts that sweep through the Dakotas, but not the impact of the great lakes (at least not down in Minneapolis).
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 24, 2025, 02:37:13 PM
I don't miss the 5 months of gray skies one bit. That part is worse than the cold. It's depressing.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 24, 2025, 02:38:29 PM
Long story short: he knows it will be cold, and that it will last longer than it does on trips,

But I am curious to see how he feels about it come February next year. 

Yeah, trips are different. On a trip, I can deal with anything. Having grown up in the cold, though, I know it's a completely different thing to live in unyielding cold for 3 solid months. 

Of course, if he comes back to SF for Christmas break, he'll probably be wearing shorts the whole time :57:
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Post by: Gigem on March 24, 2025, 06:44:08 PM
I'd make a smart-alec comment about this, but considering the fact I loved my time in College Station with the Aggie co-eds, I can't bring myself to do it. 

Everything about that is different in retrospect.  At the time I thought "Yay for me."  Now I think "26 yr old dude, chatting up 20 yr old girls.....kinda creepy." 

I used to think "She's' hot, she's here, and I'm here" and that's about the extent of it.  Now I think "that's somebody's daughter, and they didn't send her out into the world to make out with me." 

I think.......I regret that I don't regret it :)
Eh…26 and 20…not really that big a deal. At that age, she’s not a fish. Probably not a virgin. Junior or possibly senior in college. You on the other hand, probably were a virgin. :)  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on March 24, 2025, 06:47:37 PM
Well yeah, capping admissions is exactly why Texas has moved from admitting the top 10%, to the top 8, then the top 7, and now the top 6.  Even 5 years ago she would have gotten into Texas.  Now it's pretty much an impossibility.
Well, my outlook on it is that it’s harder to get into A&M now than it was when I first applied straight outta HS. And, there are way more Texans now than 30 years ago. Lot of good, smart people in that non-6%. I would almost say some of the best. More Aggies in the world can’t be bad either. And if we’re being honest, A&M and B/CS has the room. 
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Post by: utee94 on March 24, 2025, 08:15:39 PM
Well, my outlook on it is that it’s harder to get into A&M now than it was when I first applied straight outta HS. And, there are way more Texans now than 30 years ago. Lot of good, smart people in that non-6%. I would almost say some of the best. More Aggies in the world can’t be bad either. And if we’re being honest, A&M and B/CS has the room.
Sure, and Texas A&M doesn't have the same mission as the University of Texas.  They serve different purposes for the state.

The real problem with the Top 6% rule, or even the Top 10% rule, is that it penalizes students from highly competitive high schools, and rewards students from less competitive high schools.  I'll speak plainly, we're talking about kids from the Valley and other economically challenged areas who are Top 6% in their own school, who probably wouldn't make Top 80% at my daughter's high school.  I understand the state's intentions with this admission policy but it's unfortunate that it disallows so many highly qualified students.  It's no rumor or joke that there are kids at the top competitive high schools in Texas who can get into Harvard or Stanford but who are getting rejected at Texas.

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Post by: Gigem on March 24, 2025, 11:00:53 PM
Sure, and Texas A&M doesn't have the same mission as the University of Texas.  They serve different purposes for the state.

The real problem with the Top 6% rule, or even the Top 10% rule, is that it penalizes students from highly competitive high schools, and rewards students from less competitive high schools.  I'll speak plainly, we're talking about kids from the Valley and other economically challenged areas who are Top 6% in their own school, who probably wouldn't make Top 80% at my daughter's high school.  I understand the state's intentions with this admission policy but it's unfortunate that it disallows so many highly qualified students.  It's no rumor or joke that there are kids at the top competitive high schools in Texas who can get into Harvard or Stanford but who are getting rejected at Texas.
They both serve to educate the people of this state. Split the rest of the hairs however you want. Most of the country bumpkins from the Valley and other less competitive schools will be flunked out in 1-2 semesters anyways. 
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Post by: Gigem on March 24, 2025, 11:03:39 PM
It probably wasn’t even that long ago, probably the 70’s, that UT wasn’t even that hard or even easy to get into. Like a lot of current SEC schools are now. Same thing for A&M up until the 80’s. 
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Post by: utee94 on March 24, 2025, 11:07:44 PM
They both serve to educate the people of this state. Split the rest of the hairs however you want. Most of the country bumpkins from the Valley and other less competitive schools will be flunked out in 1-2 semesters anyways.
All of the state universities in Texas serve to educate the people of the state. And yet they all have different missions. I'm not sure what your point is. 

As for flunking out, it doesn't really matter when they have to let in the following year's crop of country bumpkins.  
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Post by: GopherRock on March 25, 2025, 01:32:08 PM
SFBadger96
SFIrish96
SFGopher29

:-)
SFGopher29 has a rather nice ring to it :)  What college is he going into here?

As for the weather, it gets cold in both Minneapolis and Ann Arbor. However, having spent a fair bit of time in/around AA in the winter, I've noticed that it's much more gray in Michigan and Ohio in the winter because it rarely gets super cold. In Minnesota, it's both sunnier, much drier, and much colder. Cold Canadian high pressure systems (dba the polar vortex) leave the air too cold to hold much moisture.

Even with tunnels in some places on campus, SFGopher will still have to be walking into a stiff, cold northwest wind when it's in the teens below zero. Hello Minnesota!

My application to the U of M today with my high school credentials would have been fed to the shredder without a cursory look.

All kidding aside, congrats to your kid. Let me know if/when you come up here for the Axe. 
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 25, 2025, 02:47:31 PM
He will start with CLA (and probably stay there). He's planning Army ROTC (like mom and dad), so he doesn't really need a technical degree to start, as his first job out of college will likely be wearing green. Put in for Super Block for housing (17 as the backup).

As for the weather, do we blame it on the Dakotas or Canada? In the current political climate, we should probably be blaming Canada (cue South Park), but I did hear some people in Minneapolis last weekend calling it a Dakotas thing.

:) 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 25, 2025, 02:55:30 PM
What is CLA?
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Post by: SFBadger96 on March 25, 2025, 04:18:44 PM
College of Liberal Arts. The place you study Political Science, and associated humanities like that. (SFGopher thinks it will be Political Science.)
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Post by: GopherRock on March 25, 2025, 04:24:11 PM
Yup, College of Liberal Arts. Also, I wasn't sure what the 17 building was, but then I realized that when I was in college 20+ years ago, the lot at 1701 University was an old church building that the U was sitting on trying to figure out what to do with.

He will start with CLA (and probably stay there). He's planning Army ROTC (like mom and dad), so he doesn't really need a technical degree to start, as his first job out of college will likely be wearing green. Put in for Super Block for housing (17 as the backup).

As for the weather, do we blame it on the Dakotas or Canada? In the current political climate, we should probably be blaming Canada (cue South Park), but I did hear some people in Minneapolis last weekend calling it a Dakotas thing.

:)
Blame Canada :) The storms that dump the biggest snowfalls here actually come from Texas.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhandle_hook
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 25, 2025, 04:45:45 PM
Another reason you should not ever move to Texas.

Thank You For Your Support.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 10:50:47 AM
The last name of one of the guys I work with is Hebert, and he tells me his family has been in setx for 3 generations but are originally from Louisiana (I knew that from the name) and he's pretty feisty about his heritage.  I was ribbing him one day about not being a real Louisianan and he took it way more seriously than I intended so I just hushed about it.  After all, I'd asked him how he pronounced "boudin" and he said it correctly (Texans notoriously do not say the word like a Louisianan does). 

But I never heard him say his last name until yesterday.  On a call he said his name was *firstname* Hee-bert.  I raised my eyebrows and made a mental note that this guy is in no way Cajun and mentally revoked his claimed Louisiana status.   
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2025, 10:59:55 AM
How is it supposed to be said?
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Post by: jgvol on March 26, 2025, 11:03:15 AM
How is it supposed to be said?

A Bear.
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Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2025, 11:22:38 AM
I say boo-dan.  Not sure how it's properly pronounced in coonass talk.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 11:33:08 AM
I say boo-dan.  Not sure how it's properly pronounced in coonass talk.

You've passed the Texans test.  Neither of us are surprised :)
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Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2025, 11:34:36 AM
You've passed the Texans test.  Neither of us are surprised :)
OK.  Thanks for continuing to be obtuse.  You still haven't told us how YOU pronounce it.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 11:35:01 AM
A Bear.

Right.  Bobby Hebert, former Saints QB.  Bobby A-bear.  

Or his son, ESPN radio personality and podcaster T-Bob Hebert.  T-Bob A-Bear.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 11:42:45 AM
OK.  Thanks for continuing to be obtuse.  You still haven't told us how YOU pronounce it.

Sorry.  The "n" is silent when we say it.  Boo-da, but "da" as in the the sound of Dan without the n, not "da" as in Da Bears.  There's a lot of Cajun-French words where that comes into play.  I'm not very good at real French so I have no idea if silent n's are used in that language or not.  

All the folks here say the N which surprises me a little bit since they're more tuned into the cajun stuff than other places.  My wife continues to say boo-dan because even though she knows how we say it, she says she feels like it's some kind of cultural appropriation and it would be inappropriate for her to say it like me.  I just politely ask her not to say it around my family and embarrass me :-D
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 11:49:05 AM
Sometimes I've felt like it's cultural appropriation when I tell people that if you do brisket well enough, it doesn't need bbq sauce.  Not something I was familiar with until I moved to the hill country, but nevertheless something I found I agreed with.  I've found that Texans don't get offended about my "appropriation" at all. 

There's a lot of good BBQ in Louisiana, but I can't think of anywhere I ever had it or anyone who ever smoked it who didn't use sauce, because that's what they do.  It never really crossed my mind not to use sauce until some Austin-ers told me I didn't have to.  Also, imo, Louisiana brisket tends to be a bit greasier somehow, and I like the drier (but not dry) Texas style better.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 11:50:00 AM
Now I want some brisket.

Mmmmm.....brisket.....
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Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2025, 11:57:32 AM
It is always okay to speak the truth about BBQ, which is of course that good BBQ requires no sauce.

My i s c & a aggie wife's bday is Friday, so on Saturday we're having a pool party and I'll be smoking brisket, ribs, and sausage. In 
Texas that's called "the trinity" although I realize that in Louisiana, the trinity refers to something else.

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Post by: jgvol on March 26, 2025, 12:12:08 PM
Sorry.  The "n" is silent when we say it.  Boo-da, but "da" as in the the sound of Dan without the n, not "da" as in Da Bears.  There's a lot of Cajun-French words where that comes into play.  I'm not very good at real French so I have no idea if silent n's are used in that language or not. 

All the folks here say the N which surprises me a little bit since they're more tuned into the cajun stuff than other places.  My wife continues to say boo-dan because even though she knows how we say it, she says she feels like it's some kind of cultural appropriation and it would be inappropriate for her to say it like me.  I just politely ask her not to say it around my family and embarrass me :-D

You cajun's are some weird ass folks.  :)  My BIL is from Bunkie, LA.  Well meaning, but a complete weirdo.

Southern Louisiana is really like visiting a different country.

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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 12:25:00 PM
You cajun's are some weird ass folks.  :)  My BIL is from Bunkie, LA.  Well meaning, but a complete weirdo.

Southern Louisiana is really like visiting a different country.

Well, Bunkie is north of I-10, and everybody north of I-10 is a little weird :)
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Post by: jgvol on March 26, 2025, 12:25:50 PM
Well, Bunkie is north of I-10, and everybody north of I-10 is a little weird :)


The BIL reads this every Christmas to the kids --- it is quite entertaining hearing him "talk the talk".

(https://i.imgur.com/cvBFhJX.png)
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 12:30:03 PM
In Texas that's called "the trinity" although I realize that in Louisiana, the trinity refers to something else.

Boobs, butts, and beads??

Supposedly, the "holy trinity" of louisiana cooking is onions, bell peppers and celery. 

I'll take your trinity over that one, thanks.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2025, 12:41:02 PM
Well, Bunkie is north of I-10, and everybody north of I-10 is a little weird :)
This is true in Florida.
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Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2025, 12:41:43 PM
Yup, the basis for gumbo and other fine cajun cooking.

I'm okay with the Texas trinity but honestly, I can do without sausage.  I really consider it to be more filler.  Given the choice I'd rather have  more brisket or ribs rather than waste stomach space on sausage.

But as a former and sometimes caterer, serving sausage helps keep the costs down.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 12:47:59 PM
I don't love piles of sausage for the sake of sausage, but I very much love it cut up as an ingredient in other dishes.  My favorite part of jambalaya or gumbo is the sausage.  Lots of other things too. 

I don't mind a couple pieces on a meat plate, but I'm with you, I'm probably more about the brisket or ribs.  And, unfortunately, a bunch of sausage at one time by itself kicks up my GERD these days, even if I preemptively take a Pepcid.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 12:50:32 PM
This is true in Florida.

What part of Florida do you live in?  

I have a cousin and a buddy who live vaguely in the Ft. Myers area, I think.  If I ever make it to visit them and you're anywhere close, we should have a Board reunion.  
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Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2025, 12:52:05 PM
Oh sure, I don't mind sausage when it's an ingredient in another dish.  My mom makes an awesome sausage chowder that I reproduce several times per year.

And there are some tasty sausages out there to be sure.  I don't hate it.  I'm just a lot more likely to load my plate with brisket and ribs, and skip the sausage, when given the choice.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2025, 12:56:57 PM
What part of Florida do you live in? 

I have a cousin and a buddy who live vaguely in the Ft. Myers area, I think.  If I ever make it to visit them and you're anywhere close, we should have a Board reunion. 
Burnt Store Marina (Punta Gorda).

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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on March 26, 2025, 01:30:32 PM
Burnt Store Marina (Punta Gorda).
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Per Google, you are about half an hour from Edison and Ford Winter Estates (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Burnt+Store+Marina,+FL/Edison+%26+Ford+Winter+Estates,+2350+McGregor+Blvd,+Fort+Myers,+FL+33901/@26.7171473,-82.0447951,30042m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x88db5002d12861dd:0x29c68dfa142ed62a!2m2!1d-82.050923!2d26.7650681!1m5!1m1!1s0x88db41c2830d5555:0xcffd4e536e6395a3!2m2!1d-81.880091!2d26.6338939!3e0?authuser=0&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMyMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D).  My parents took my brother and I when we were little and I want to take my kids there someday.  It is a pretty neat place.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 26, 2025, 01:40:54 PM
It's more than 30 minutes at this time of year. Come May, when Canada, New York, etc. leave to go back to where they're from it will be 30 minutes. We have been meaning to visit too.
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Post by: Gigem on March 26, 2025, 02:29:24 PM
The last name of one of the guys I work with is Hebert, and he tells me his family has been in setx for 3 generations but are originally from Louisiana (I knew that from the name) and he's pretty feisty about his heritage.  I was ribbing him one day about not being a real Louisianan and he took it way more seriously than I intended so I just hushed about it.  After all, I'd asked him how he pronounced "boudin" and he said it correctly (Texans notoriously do not say the word like a Louisianan does). 

But I never heard him say his last name until yesterday.  On a call he said his name was *firstname* Hee-bert.  I raised my eyebrows and made a mental note that this guy is in no way Cajun and mentally revoked his claimed Louisiana status. 
I either say boo-dane or boo-dan, but I usually don't eat it.  Not my cup of tea.  

Hebert is A-Bear.  Everybody knows this.  But, I say that you prounce it however you think.  I don't go to LA and tell those people it's RO-DI-O drive not RO-DAY-O Drive.  
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Post by: Gigem on March 26, 2025, 02:40:19 PM
It's more like bou-dain, not boo-dane.  Might be the same thing, just didn't seem quite right.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 26, 2025, 04:14:09 PM
I've been playing around with the Grok chatbot this afternoon.  The only other broad-scale LLM I've messed with is Chat GPT.  I'd need more time for a good comparison, but I "talked" with Grok about some philosophical stuff and political stuff, and I think it did a better job of expanding the conversation and it appeared to push back on me more readily than chatgpt does.  ChatGPT, without some prompt engineering, is kind of a weenie that rolls over if I rebut it.  Grok didn't exactly antagonize me when sticking its guns, but it didn't exactly back down either.  Instead it pivoted to trying to outline each different side and offer suggestions for deciding which view was best.  I kinda liked that better.  GPT also does that, I know, but this did it better, imo.

I haven't used it for any coding help.  I think it might be a minute on that, because it was hard enough to trust GPT (and it still hallucinates answers), so now that I've got a relatively trusty tool, it's hard to take the time to go through that again and rely on Grok the same way. 
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Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2025, 04:21:10 PM
I enjoy the sausage with my brisket & ribs
cause many times the sausage has much more heat
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Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2025, 12:57:54 PM
FORE!!!!
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Post by: utee94 on March 27, 2025, 01:00:14 PM
THREE!
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 27, 2025, 01:10:00 PM
two?
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Post by: 847badgerfan on March 27, 2025, 01:12:29 PM
ONE

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Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2025, 08:42:49 PM
According to the Egg Lobby.........
GENERAL EGG KNOWLEDGE
1. Storing eggs upside-down makes them last longer. Turning your eggs upside down before stashing them in the fridge will make them last longer. Placing the pointy end down in the carton will prevent air pockets inside the shell from coming in contact with the yolk, which helps slow down the aging process.
2. It is generally not recommended to eat eggs from reptiles like snakes and lizards, or other non-bird animals, because their eggs are not a good source of nutrition for humans. They are often high in fat and low in protein compared to bird eggs. Some reptile eggs can carry harmful bacteria or parasites that can make you sick.
3. Washed eggs need to be refrigerated. When a hen lays an egg, with that egg pops out with a nearly invisible coating called a bloom. This bloom helps prevent air and bacteria from permeating the shell and prematurely aging the egg. That is why fresh eggs straight from the chicken are often placed in bowls or baskets on the kitchen counter. Grocery store eggs, on the other hand, have been washed, thus removing the bloom and requiring refrigeration to keep them fresh.
4. The colour of the egg yolk should be very bright yellow or deep orange. The difference in colour is based on what the chicken is eating. Chickens who only eat the grain feed given to them will lay eggs that are yellow. Chickens that are free-range and eat mostly bugs and vegetation will produce these orange yolks.
5. Chickens can still lay eggs even if there is no rooster (Male chicken). Many people think that you need a rooster for a hen to lay eggs. Most of the hens producing eggs today have never seen a rooster in their life.
6. In the stores, you can usually find small, medium, large, and jumbo or extra-large eggs. Some may speculate this has to do with breed, but in the commercial industry, it usually has more to do with a hen's age. The Older the Hen, the Bigger the Eggs. The older the hen, the more likely she is to produce these larger eggs.
7. Apart from using water to test the freshness of an egg, there are other ways to tell if an egg Is fresh:
If the shell seems unusually thick, then it is fresh.
If the yolk stands really tall after you have cracked the egg, it is fresh.
If the yolk has wrinkles or dissolves into a puddle when you crack it open, then it is an old egg.
8. A chicken will lay bigger and stronger eggs if you change the lighting in a way to make her think a day is 28 hours long.
9. Eggs are good for your eyes. They contain lutein which prevents cataracts and muscle degeneration.
10. Breed determines egg shell colour. Commercial eggs are brown or white, but some breeds can also lay blue, green, or pink eggs.
11. Duck eggs are higher in fat and better for baking.
12. Brown eggs are more expensive than white eggs, because the hens that lay them are larger and require more feed.


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Post by: ELA on March 30, 2025, 08:01:38 PM
My son's first club baseball tournament is next week.  I checked on the host program's site, to see if there was a schedule yet.  There was not, but that organization was "proud" to announce they now have a 3U and 4U team now.

In case you want to spend thousands of dollars for travel t-ball.

What are we doing here?
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Post by: MarqHusker on March 30, 2025, 08:08:06 PM
Good grief.  
F that noise.

I realized I just may have watched my 16year Olds retirement match from club vball last week. 

School tennis starts after break , getting a job,  life moves on.
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Post by: ELA on March 30, 2025, 10:21:13 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1906383451843874891
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 31, 2025, 10:02:27 AM
Hell, one of the doctors at my wife's practice has a daughter that she schleps all around the country for travel cheerleading competitions. 

And it's def. a cult. If you dare miss a practice... Even if you're sick with a doctor's note, you get charged by the program. 

But... What I don't get with it is... What's the end goal? Travel sports you at least have the delusional hope to eventually get a full ride college scholarship and end up in the pros where you can make life-changing money. Cheer? Maybe you'll get a pittance from the school for a cheerleading scholarship, but you're not "going pro" at any point in the future. Unless it's on OF. 

I wanted my son to get on the HS golf team because a sport looks good on a college application. And then I want him to get a good education that sets him up for a high-paying job so that golf can be a fun hobby on the weekends. Neither of us are trying to get him to the PGA Tour. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 31, 2025, 10:07:10 AM
My son's first club baseball tournament is next week.  I checked on the host program's site, to see if there was a schedule yet.  There was not, but that organization was "proud" to announce they now have a 3U and 4U team now.

In case you want to spend thousands of dollars for travel t-ball.

What are we doing here?

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 3U/4U team?
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Post by: Gigem on March 31, 2025, 10:13:39 AM
Hell, one of the doctors at my wife's practice has a daughter that she schleps all around the country for travel cheerleading competitions.

And it's def. a cult. If you dare miss a practice... Even if you're sick with a doctor's note, you get charged by the program.

But... What I don't get with it is... What's the end goal? Travel sports you at least have the delusional hope to eventually get a full ride college scholarship and end up in the pros where you can make life-changing money. Cheer? Maybe you'll get a pittance from the school for a cheerleading scholarship, but you're not "going pro" at any point in the future. Unless it's on OF.

I wanted my son to get on the HS golf team because a sport looks good on a college application. And then I want him to get a good education that sets him up for a high-paying job so that golf can be a fun hobby on the weekends. Neither of us are trying to get him to the PGA Tour.
I think people just need something to do and be a part of something.  Even if it's just a giant waste of time.  It's a social thing bundled with athletics, bundled with social status.  Even if there are scholarships available for all the other sports out there, only very few will get them and they still go all in.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 31, 2025, 10:25:26 AM
I think people just need something to do and be a part of something.  Even if it's just a giant waste of time.  It's a social thing bundled with athletics, bundled with social status.  Even if there are scholarships available for all the other sports out there, only very few will get them and they still go all in. 
Hmm. Being an introverted misanthrope is certainly a lot cheaper than that. 
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Post by: utee94 on March 31, 2025, 10:27:39 AM
Hmm. Being an introverted misanthrope is certainly a lot cheaper than that.

Amen brutha.
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Post by: ELA on March 31, 2025, 11:35:10 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 3U/4U team?
Travel baseball for 3 and 4 year olds
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 31, 2025, 11:39:30 AM
Holy cow. 

I loved sports when I was a kid and belonged to some rec leagues over the years, but I don't think I started T-ball until I was 6 or 7.  I don't know how they would've kept me from standing around with my finger up my nose digging for boogers when I was 3, let alone had me traveling.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 31, 2025, 11:48:50 AM
Holy cow. 

I loved sports when I was a kid and belonged to some rec leagues over the years, but I don't think I started T-ball until I was 6 or 7.  I don't know how they would've kept me from standing around with my finger up my nose digging for boogers when I was 3, let alone had me traveling. 
Yeah, and one of the things that a coworker had told me when my eldest started playing youth sports (tee ball, soccer, etc around ages 5-7) was that the only difference between the kids that seemed like they were "good" and the kids that didn't have a clue wasn't talent. It wasn't natural athleticism. It wasn't a predictor of future performance. 

All it meant is that those kids had older brothers, so they were more exposed to sports before they started at the bottom rung than those who didn't have older brothers. 

Give it a few years from then, and it evens out to where talent/athleticism starts to become the differentiator. Because what you did before you were 5 years old doesn't matter. 
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on March 31, 2025, 12:31:43 PM
Yeah, and one of the things that a coworker had told me when my eldest started playing youth sports (tee ball, soccer, etc around ages 5-7) was that the only difference between the kids that seemed like they were "good" and the kids that didn't have a clue wasn't talent. It wasn't natural athleticism. It wasn't a predictor of future performance.

All it meant is that those kids had older brothers, so they were more exposed to sports before they started at the bottom rung than those who didn't have older brothers.

Give it a few years from then, and it evens out to where talent/athleticism starts to become the differentiator. Because what you did before you were 5 years old doesn't matter.
A little story to buttress this point:
My oldest (just turned 6) just finished his second year of Rec BB.  These teams "play" on Saturdays in March.  The schedule consists of half an hour of practice then a roughly half hour game.  

Given their limited skills the refs are extremely lenient so things like Travelling, Double Dribble, etc are basically not called.  However, I really screwed up not getting him prepared for year one because it was my first experience with it so I (wrongly) thought that you just dropped your 4/5 year old off cold and they'd work out the rest.  

The first year he played, I hadn't even worked on dribbling with him before we showed up.  Mostly this was because it starts in March and I don't have an attached indoor basketball court and it is generally cold and snowy in Ohio in February.  Anyway, I felt bad because my son was woefully unprepared compared to the other boys.  The first thing they did in practice was dribble up and down the court and my son was the only one who basically looked at the coach like 'what is dribble?'.  

Year #2 was MUCH better.  My son is pretty tall for his age so he was good at rebounding and made a few baskets over the course of the season.  

That is just one example of where having an older brother would help immensely.  If his younger sisters or brother want to play, I will KNOW what I need to teach them in advance so they'll show up ready to go.  

Another example from that experience that is kinda funny:
With almost all of these teams, they usually have one kid who can do it and the others basically are unnecessary to the team.  Seriously, the other three on the court (this is 4-on-4) basically just get in the way of the one who more-or-less knows what he is doing.  

Last year we had one kid on our team who was small for his age so he looked tiny on the court but he could dribble and shoot and he was BY FAR our best player.  Most weeks he showed up with only one parent and no siblings so I didn't know why (in retrospect the other parent was probably busy with the older brothers).  Anyway, the last week of the season he showed up with both parents and . . . three older brothers.  That was an "Ah-ha" moment in which I immediately realized why he was so much better than the rest of the kids on the team.  He had been playing basketball against his not one, not two, but three older brothers since he could walk so he was WAY better at it than the oldest kids like my son.  
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on March 31, 2025, 03:01:21 PM
Related to the older sibling thing, I once read something that I found interesting.  Unfortunately, I can't find the source right now but from my recollection the story was that there is a pretty strong correlation between being born in September or October and being a MLB Baseball Player but, there is almost zero correlation regarding birth month for HOF MLB Players.  

The theory as to why:
The Little League cutoff date is August 31 so:
Suppose you and I grew up together and we were both good baseball players.  Now further suppose that you were born on September 1 but I was born two days earlier, on August 30.  Even though we are almost exactly the same age, at every level of Little League, you'll be the oldest guy on your team and I'll be the youngest guy on my team.  Consequently, even if we are EXACTLY equal as baseball players, you will be MUCH better relative to your team than I am relative to my team because the other guys on my team are all older than us while the other guys on your team are all younger than us.  

If we both have natural talent at the borderline MLB level (which is a VERY high level of talent), you are MUCH more likely to make the MLB than I am because you will be the best player on your team at every level.  My exact same talent, however, may well get missed because the other boys that I play with are older so my VERY high level of talent is at least partially offset by the fact that the boys I play with and against are up to a year older than us while your VERY high level of talent will be accentuated by the fact that the boys you play with and against are up to a year younger than us.  

When you move up to guys SO good that they will wind up in Cooperstown the birthdate thing doesn't matter anymore.  They'll still stand out even if they are born in late August and spend their Little League years playing against guys up to a year older.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 31, 2025, 03:30:16 PM
Malcolm Gladwell outlined something very similar to that in his book "Outliers," though I'm not sure that's what you're thinking of or not.  
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Post by: GopherRock on March 31, 2025, 03:37:49 PM
Last spring, my wife and I stayed at a hotel adjacent to the Anaheim Convention Center. While we were there to go to Disney, the convention center/arena was hosting an "all-star" cheer super/mega national. 

Competitive cheer has turned into what beauty pageants were in the 80s and 90s. Heavily oversexualized kids with a pound of makeup on their face and enough hairspray to make Dee Snyder vomit with envy, and all the parents were shitfaced drunk. It was disgusting.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on March 31, 2025, 03:40:52 PM
Last spring, my wife and I stayed at a hotel adjacent to the Anaheim Convention Center. While we were there to go to Disney, the convention center/arena was hosting an "all-star" cheer super/mega national.

Competitive cheer has turned into what beauty pageants were in the 80s and 90s. Heavily oversexualized kids with a pound of makeup on their face and enough hairspray to make Dee Snyder vomit with envy, and all the parents were shitfaced drunk. It was disgusting.
What could go wrong?  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on March 31, 2025, 03:41:02 PM
Last spring, my wife and I stayed at a hotel adjacent to the Anaheim Convention Center. While we were there to go to Disney, the convention center/arena was hosting an "all-star" cheer super/mega national.

Competitive cheer has turned into what beauty pageants were in the 80s and 90s. Heavily oversexualized kids with a pound of makeup on their face and enough hairspray to make Dee Snyder vomit with envy, and all the parents were shitfaced drunk. It was disgusting.

I worked with a guy back in 2005 whose little elementary school girl was on a cheer squad, were evidently very good, and won some kind of national thing, 1st place.  He was super proud and showed me pictures of her and her "cheer squad." 

I didn't have the heart to tell him they looked like normal little girls except somebody painted their faces to look like cheap prostitutes.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 31, 2025, 05:57:12 PM
Related to the older sibling thing, I once read something that I found interesting.  Unfortunately, I can't find the source right now but from my recollection the story was that there is a pretty strong correlation between being born in September or October and being a MLB Baseball Player but, there is almost zero correlation regarding birth month for HOF MLB Players. 

The theory as to why:
The Little League cutoff date is August 31 so:
Suppose you and I grew up together and we were both good baseball players.  Now further suppose that you were born on September 1 but I was born two days earlier, on August 30.  Even though we are almost exactly the same age, at every level of Little League, you'll be the oldest guy on your team and I'll be the youngest guy on my team.  Consequently, even if we are EXACTLY equal as baseball players, you will be MUCH better relative to your team than I am relative to my team because the other guys on my team are all older than us while the other guys on your team are all younger than us. 

If we both have natural talent at the borderline MLB level (which is a VERY high level of talent), you are MUCH more likely to make the MLB than I am because you will be the best player on your team at every level.  My exact same talent, however, may well get missed because the other boys that I play with are older so my VERY high level of talent is at least partially offset by the fact that the boys I play with and against are up to a year older than us while your VERY high level of talent will be accentuated by the fact that the boys you play with and against are up to a year younger than us. 

When you move up to guys SO good that they will wind up in Cooperstown the birthdate thing doesn't matter anymore.  They'll still stand out even if they are born in late August and spend their Little League years playing against guys up to a year older. 
I wonder how much of this is not due to persistent differences that come from it, but due to people quitting sports?

I was born in late July. I was also very big for my age. I played football where they had age and weight cutoffs for the divisions. I think I started in 3rd grade and was in the class that was maximum 85 lbs and maximum 5th grade. While I was very close to the maximum weight, I was NOT anywhere near as physically developed as kids who were 5th graders but near 85 lbs--and made especially disparate being one of the youngest people in my grade. Some of those 5th graders could have had closer to three years extra physical development on me than the two that you'd expect due purely to grade difference. 

So what happened? I didn't really enjoy it much. I started martial arts in 7th grade, and played football through the end of 8th grade, but because I didn't enjoy it, I ended up quitting football and sticking with martial arts. I've always thought that maybe I just was more suited mentally to individual sports than team sports... But would that have been different if I was consistently one of the oldest people on my teams rather than consistently one of the youngest--often by several years? Maybe I would have enjoyed it more if it wasn't a Sisyphean experience. 

I've always thought if I stuck with football, I might have been good enough to get a low-level look at a scholarship somewhere. Hell, I was 6'4" and 225#, LEAN as hell, when I graduated HS. And that was without any significant weightlifting. With a strength program I could easily have been 250# and given a flyer look by a recruiter just on potential. Not OSU, or even Purdue, of course... But low FBS or high FCS? Might have had a shot. 

But I never pursued it because I didn't find enjoyment. And as I have the perspective that hindsight gives, I wonder if I didn't enjoy it because I was constantly playing against kids two years older and two developmental years stronger than me. 
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Post by: Gigem on March 31, 2025, 06:22:28 PM
Jesus Medina. You started late with the kids !  I think we’re the same age, my youngest is 18 and about to graduate HS, oldest is about to graduate college. And I was older than a lot of parents at my kids schools. Most of the parents of kids my age were 5-10 years younger. And heavily  tattooed. 
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Post by: utee94 on March 31, 2025, 06:27:59 PM
Yeah we're a solid 5-10 years older than the parents of all of my kids' friends.  We dated for about 4 years before getting married at 29, and didn't start having kids until we were 35.  

And yes, they're all far more tattooed than we are (we have none).  I did get my ear pierced in college and can still wear an earring when I want.  Occasionally I put in a big gold hoop and act like a pirate.
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Post by: Gigem on March 31, 2025, 07:06:00 PM
No tats for us either. It seemed to gain steam in the late 90’s. I stupidly thought it was just a fad that would fade with time but instead people are more tatted up than ever. Women with full sleeves on their arm bewilders me. 

I mean, each unto their own but it doesn’t appeal to me. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on March 31, 2025, 07:21:36 PM
I followed the general rule of my generation when it came to tattoos...

...don't ink nuthin' that won't be covered by business attire. 

I still only have two. Might get more someday. Might not. Depends whether there's something important enough to do it. 

Wife has zero. She's talked about it, but she also hates needles... So...
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Post by: Gigem on March 31, 2025, 08:26:03 PM
I followed the general rule of my generation when it came to tattoos...

...don't ink nuthin' that won't be covered by business attire.

I still only have two. Might get more someday. Might not. Depends whether there's something important enough to do it.

Wife has zero. She's talked about it, but she also hates needles... So...
I’m not totally opposed to a couple of easily hidden personalized ones.  I just never gave it much thought. 
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Post by: MarqHusker on March 31, 2025, 09:20:05 PM
I once scored a nice windfall after investing in the maker of PicoSure, the emerging leader in tattoo removal technology.    They were eventually bought out by hologic so I took the cash. 

I looked at everyone younger than me and thought, everyone has a tattoo and many of them will want to remove them.  

I'm not anti-tattoo but figured that was a growth industry.   
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on March 31, 2025, 09:36:13 PM
I have one only.   On my very lower back.  It says “Mom”.    But when I bend over it says  “WOW”






I kid.  
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Post by: utee94 on March 31, 2025, 10:18:05 PM
I have a tribal armband tattoo.  It matches my Affliction t-shirts and looks great with my skinny jeans.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2025, 10:20:56 PM
hopefully, you NEVER have an occasion to wear  skinny jeans again
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on March 31, 2025, 10:42:05 PM
I have a reoccurring dream where I get a tattoo, and then instantly regret it. I'm always relieved to discover that it was all just a dream, and that I don't actually have a tattoo, once I wake up. So, I've heeded the warning and never got one. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on March 31, 2025, 10:51:09 PM
I'll probably have a nightmare about wearing skinny jeans
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on March 31, 2025, 11:04:32 PM
Actual photo of FF's nightmare...

(https://i.imgur.com/PWwrQin.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 01, 2025, 09:21:07 AM
nailed it
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 01, 2025, 09:38:23 AM
I wonder how much of this is not due to persistent differences that come from it, but due to people quitting sports?
I'm sure this is correct but I also think they are related.  Reading through your experience, how much of not enjoying it was a product of the fact that you weren't one of the oldest/most developed/best kids on the field?  

Just looking at my son's experience with 4/5 and 5/6 year old BB, he really didn't like it last year when he wasn't ready and was basically the least prepared kid on the court (totally my fault for not knowing what I needed to do to get him ready).  To his credit, he chose to play again this year because he wanted to "get a hoop".  This year he wasn't the best kid on the court but he wasn't the worst and he enjoyed it a lot more.  I think if he was the best kid on the court, he'd love it.  
Maybe I would have enjoyed it more if it wasn't a Sisyphean experience.
Look at you pulling out the Million Dollar Words, making me go to dictionary.com.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 01, 2025, 09:45:12 AM
Jesus Medina. You started late with the kids !  I think we’re the same age, my youngest is 18 and about to graduate HS, oldest is about to graduate college. And I was older than a lot of parents at my kids schools. Most of the parents of kids my age were 5-10 years younger. And heavily  tattooed.
Yeah, I sure did.  

We talked about generations not long ago and it isn't just me, the generations in my family are LONG:

When my four kids were born I was:

My dad was born in 1940 and was 34, almost 35 when I was born in 1975.  My mom was born in 1944 and was 30 when I was born.  In the mid-1970's, that was unusually old for first-time parents and they were 40 and almost 36 when my younger brother was born.  

Then my grandparents were born in 1900, 1909, 1910, and 1910 so they were 30-44 when my parents were born.  


My wife is my age so when we are out people often assume that we are grandparents.  The other day I was in a store with my youngest and some guy actually assumed that I was dad rather than grandpa.  He said something, I don't remember what but it referenced me as "dad" rather than grandpa.  So I said that I was happy he didn't think I was grandpa and he said "Oh no, Grandpa wouldn't have strapped him in the cart like you did."  LoL.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 01, 2025, 09:46:49 AM
I once scored a nice windfall after investing in the maker of PicoSure, the emerging leader in tattoo removal technology.    They were eventually bought out by hologic so I took the cash.

I looked at everyone younger than me and thought, everyone has a tattoo and many of them will want to remove them. 

I'm not anti-tattoo but figured that was a growth industry. 
This has always been the reason for my reluctance to get any tattoos.  They last forever.  Sometimes I see young people with tattoos and think to myself, "How is that going to look on an old lady/man in the nursing home?"
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 01, 2025, 09:48:57 AM
I have a reoccurring dream where I get a tattoo, and then instantly regret it. I'm always relieved to discover that it was all just a dream, and that I don't actually have a tattoo, once I wake up. So, I've heeded the warning and never got one.
One Spring Break while I was at Ohio State I went to Florida with some friends.  The bar we mostly frequented had a tattoo parlor literally on the way out of the bar and I just thought "Oh that isn't good."  

I immediately thought of Jimmy Buffet's lyrics:
"With nothing to show but this brand new tattoo
But it's a real beauty, a Mexican cutie
How it got here I haven't a clue."  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 01, 2025, 09:51:27 AM
I have a tribal armband tattoo.  It matches my Affliction t-shirts and looks great with my skinny jeans.
I figured it was an Ed Hardy tee and a Von Dutch hat. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2025, 09:54:39 AM
I figured it was an Ed Hardy tee and a Von Dutch hat.
That's for weekends.  I was talking about my business attire during the week.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 01, 2025, 09:55:35 AM
I'm sure this is correct but I also think they are related.  Reading through your experience, how much of not enjoying it was a product of the fact that you weren't one of the oldest/most developed/best kids on the field? 
Yeah, that's the point I was trying to make. The game for me was extra hard (and thus extra hard to enjoy) because I was consistently one of the youngest kids on the field. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 01, 2025, 10:14:39 AM
Speaking of long generations (this probably belongs in the Weird History thread):

The 10th US President, John Tyler still has a living grandson.  

John Tyler was born just after the Revolutionary War on March 29, 1790 in Charles City County, Virginia.  

He was the "Tyler" in the famous "Tippecanoe and Tyler Too" slogan.  Tippecanoe was a reference to Whig Presidential Candidate William Henry Harrison who was the hero of the Battle of Tippecanoe.  The Harrison/Tyler ticket won the 1840 US Presidential Election but Tyler only served a month as VP due to Harrison catching pneumonia and dying.  

Tyler thus served as US President from April 4, 1841-March 4, 1845 when he was 51-54 years old.  He was a member of the Confederate Congress until just before his death in 1862 and he is the only US President to be laid to rest under a flag NOT of the US.  

Tyler's first wife was his age and was First Lady when Tyler entered the White House but she died while her husband was President.  Tyler then married Julia Gardiner while in the White House.  Julia was born in 1820 so she was just 24 at the time while Tyler was 54.  John Tyler and Julia Gardiner Tyler had 7 children including:

Lyon Gardiner Tyler was born to former President John Tyler and Julia Gardiner Tyler on August 24, 1853.  Like his father, Lyon's first wife died and, again like his father, Lyon remarried to a much younger woman and had children in his old age.  That included:

Harrison Ruffin Tyler was born November 9, 1928 when his father was 75.  Harrison is now 96 years old.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 01, 2025, 10:17:49 AM
tattoos require time & money

there are many other things I value more than any tattoo
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Post by: Riffraft on April 01, 2025, 11:59:49 AM
I followed the general rule of my generation when it came to tattoos...

...don't ink nuthin' that won't be covered by business attire.

I still only have two. Might get more someday. Might not. Depends whether there's something important enough to do it.

Wife has zero. She's talked about it, but she also hates needles... So...
Got my first tatoo about 6 months ago, a paraphase of Micah 6:8, Seek Justice, Love Mercy, Walk Humbly, on my upper inside forearm.  My wife has I believe 10 tatoos on various parts of her body, all were in area that were covered because she was in the financial industry, since then the last 2 are visible.  She had been trying to convince me to get at least one for a long time, I finally gave in.

I can no longer say, I only come with the holes I was born with and the marking on my skin, except for scars. Piercings are just not happening
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 01, 2025, 12:49:49 PM
I remember wanting an earring as a kid. Glad my parent's didn't let that happen. I'm not anti-piercing, but I realize in retrospect that it's certainly not "me". I'm not an earring guy. 

The one I don't understand is those hoops that stretch out your ear lobes. THAT seems like a very poor long-term decision.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 01, 2025, 01:27:52 PM
I perceive the business world is having to adjust its appearance standards because the workforce personnel without visible tattoos is increasingly vanishing.  It's very rare I come across young people anymore without tattoos I can see. 

My stepsons have them, but they are covered up by professional attire.  But I know and work with a lot of young women who don't always dress in long sleeves, and it's always a bit jarring to see giant tats in an office.  And judging by the bank branches I venture into, even public-facing businesses have had to drop those standards.  I used to work at a bank and there's no way they would've ever hired someone with visible tattoos.  Now it seems they have no choice.  Other than to keep replacing all the tellers with ATMs and ITMs, that is.  
 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2025, 02:20:35 PM
I perceive the business world is having to adjust its appearance standards because the workforce personnel without visible tattoos is increasingly vanishing.  It's very rare I come across young people anymore without tattoos I can see. 

My stepsons have them, but they are covered up by professional attire.  But I know and work with a lot of young women who don't always dress in long sleeves, and it's always a bit jarring to see giant tats in an office.  And judging by the bank branches I venture into, even public-facing businesses have had to drop those standards.  I used to work at a bank and there's no way they would've ever hired someone with visible tattoos.  Now it seems they have no choice.  Other than to keep replacing all the tellers with ATMs and ITMs, that is. 
 
Agree with this.  Even at a fairly conservative tech company like the one I work for, it's definitely trending more in this direction.  There will come a point in the next decade when the "young people with visible tattoos" will become the "old people working in upper management" and then I don't think there will be any stigma at all, about it.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 01, 2025, 02:30:19 PM
Yeah, I think 30+ years ago, people who were willing to put visible tattoos on their body was a social cue as to their perceived "toughness" or signified other personality traits that would make them undesirable for an office sort of environment. Bikers, criminals, rock musicians, etc. Tattoos were a visible signal of nonconformity, and that you DON'T play well with others.

I think it's morphed more into an outward manifestation of free expression, rather than nonconformity, and thus it doesn't carry anywhere near the same stigma. And societal attitudes have adjusted accordingly. 

Now in order to get that level of shock value, it's gotta be a face tattoo. That'll still get you on the "no" list for most professional employment IMHO. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on April 01, 2025, 02:36:49 PM
Yeah, that's the point I was trying to make. The game for me was extra hard (and thus extra hard to enjoy) because I was consistently one of the youngest kids on the field.
I think you'll appreciate this story of kinda, the other side of this equation:

My brother's best friend in HS was TINY.  I'm not sure if he weighed triple digits when he graduated from HS.  He was also a State Champion Wrestler.  The advantage he had was that wrestling, of course, is by weight class and at ~100# he was pretty much always wrestling against freshmen.  They were the same size but he had three years of experience and development on them so he was a VERY successful wrestler.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 01, 2025, 03:57:55 PM
I think you'll appreciate this story of kinda, the other side of this equation:

My brother's best friend in HS was TINY.  I'm not sure if he weighed triple digits when he graduated from HS.  He was also a State Champion Wrestler.  The advantage he had was that wrestling, of course, is by weight class and at ~100# he was pretty much always wrestling against freshmen.  They were the same size but he had three years of experience and development on them so he was a VERY successful wrestler. 
Yep. I wrestled one year, in 7th grade. I was in the 135# weight class--and at the very top of it--as a 7th grader :57:
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on April 01, 2025, 04:06:44 PM
Agree with this.  Even at a fairly conservative tech company like the one I work for, it's definitely trending more in this direction.  There will come a point in the next decade when the "young people with visible tattoos" will become the "old people working in upper management" and then I don't think there will be any stigma at all, about it.
Several of my younger bosses are covered up in tats.  It's totally normal now.  

Buc-Ees is famous for not hiring anybody with visible tats.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2025, 05:44:54 PM
Several of my younger bosses are covered up in tats.  It's totally normal now. 

Buc-Ees is famous for not hiring anybody with visible tats. 
Not yet normal at my office, but I have no doubt it will be in the next 7-10 years.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 01, 2025, 05:52:01 PM
Not yet normal at my office, but I have no doubt it will be in the next 7-10 years.
Don't know how youthful your team is... I thought it was funny that when we had our department Christmas lunch a couple of months back, one of the topics of conversation between a couple guys was that they'd hit the "50%" club... They'd been at our company for over 50% of their life. I'm at about 17 1/2 years now, but wouldn't join that club unless I stick around until I'm 58. 

Trying to attract the young'uns to boring data storage when they all want to work for OpenAI or Tesla or SpaceX or [insert hot hip company name] is a little difficult. I don't know if the PC / compute space is similar...
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 01, 2025, 05:57:58 PM
Don't know how youthful your team is... I thought it was funny that when we had our department Christmas lunch a couple of months back, one of the topics of conversation between a couple guys was that they'd hit the "50%" club... They'd been at our company for over 50% of their life. I'm at about 17 1/2 years now, but wouldn't join that club unless I stick around until I'm 58.

Trying to attract the young'uns to boring data storage when they all want to work for OpenAI or Tesla or SpaceX or [insert hot hip company name] is a little difficult. I don't know if the PC / compute space is similar...

I don't know how we do in engineering, but to be honest, we don't do a whole lot of our own engineering anyway.  Test engineering is the majority of it, and that's not overly sexy no matter where you are (I did test engineering for my first 7 years out of undergrad, it is known).

We do get a lot of young MBAs though, especially in my division which is primarily marketing focused.  MBAs like money and don't necessarily care about hot new tech.  Heck a huge number of MBAs go into the boring stiff-ass financial sector. 

Anyway, point being, in my particular group we have a lot of long-tenured veterans like me.  But in my overall division, there are a lot of youngsters.  And since they're mostly MBAs or top-school-business undergrads, they're not overly tatted up, because they still live in a world where old folks who hate tattoos and make all decisions regarding pay and promotions, are going to remain their directors and VPs, for another decade or so.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on April 01, 2025, 05:58:20 PM
Don't know how youthful your team is... I thought it was funny that when we had our department Christmas lunch a couple of months back, one of the topics of conversation between a couple guys was that they'd hit the "50%" club... They'd been at our company for over 50% of their life. I'm at about 17 1/2 years now, but wouldn't join that club unless I stick around until I'm 58.

Trying to attract the young'uns to boring data storage when they all want to work for OpenAI or Tesla or SpaceX or [insert hot hip company name] is a little difficult. I don't know if the PC / compute space is similar...
Well, I work with several different departments, so we’re talking about dozens of people. And not many have tats that are visible, but a few do. It’s kinda strange too because a lot of them had almost no tats until a few years ago and once they broke the seal next thing you know they’re sleeved up. 
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Post by: Gigem on April 01, 2025, 06:01:08 PM
I meant to add a lot of the older ones (40’s and 50’s) are the ones sporting tats. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 01, 2025, 08:01:46 PM
Several of my younger bosses are covered up in tats.  It's totally normal now. 

Buc-Ees is famous for not hiring anybody with visible tats. 
Bucees
what about chik-fil-a?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 02, 2025, 03:08:09 PM
Look at you pulling out the Million Dollar Words, making me go to dictionary.com. 

Somewhere else that I just recently read, he pulled out another $100 word, the kind that you mostly only know if you went to Purdue.  

Actually I knew it, but I never think of it, and thus never use it.  

Can't remember it, though, and I can't find it.  I think it might have been in the backlog of 25+ pages I was catching up on yesterday in the retirement thread.  

Pity, I have a list of big words that nobody needs, but which I like to whip out on people if they get on my nerves.  Using big words really gets on people's nerves, I don't know why.  See:  Milchick's performance review, Severance, season 2.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 02, 2025, 03:19:43 PM
I feel like the mid-90s were the moment tattoos went mainstream, but they were still mostly hideable. I feel like always visible tatoos are a relatively new thing (although I'm getting old, so "relatively new" probably isn't very new). A decent number of people in my staid law office have tattoos--not many are in visible locations during the work day (although the post-Covid change to dress code has impacted that, particularly as it relates to forearms). 

It does seem to be something that snowballs into more for a lot of poeple.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2025, 03:38:26 PM
I feel like the mid-90s were the moment tattoos went mainstream, but they were still mostly hideable. I feel like always visible tatoos are a relatively new thing (although I'm getting old, so "relatively new" probably isn't very new). A decent number of people in my staid law office have tattoos--not many are in visible locations during the work day (although the post-Covid change to dress code has impacted that, particularly as it relates to forearms).

It does seem to be something that snowballs into more for a lot of poeple.
Yeah I'm not sure I agree with that.  Mid-90s is exactly when I finished college and went into the workforce, and at that point, almost none of my contemporaries had any kind of tattoo.  Many of them still do not, and most likely never will-- including me.

To be "mainstream" I'd have to believe that a large number of non-fringe people-- including professionals-- were getting tattoos at that time.  And I'm just not sure that's true.  From my observation, at that point it still seemed to be reserved for the rockers, artists, slackers, and other various non-conformists.  MAYBE some tramp-stamps for the party girls who weren't in non-conformist groups, but for the most part they also weren't ending up populating the professional ranks either.

I honestly don't think it was "mainstream" with GenX until more recently.  I do know a handful of GenXers that have gotten some in the last 5-10 years, and some of them even in visible places under normal circumstances.

Millennials on the other hand, definitely took tattoos mainstream early on in their youth/school/professional lives.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 02, 2025, 03:45:00 PM
That's fair. My thought is that among our contemporaries, as young adults, tattoos became much more common. Probably not among people in their 40s, but among people who were going into the "professional" work force in their future. Now a fair number of middle aged professionals have tattoos--many of which they first got when they were young adults.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 02, 2025, 03:49:18 PM
That's fair. My thought is that among our contemporaries, as young adults, tattoos became much more common. Probably not among people in their 40s, but among people who were going into the "professional" work force in their future. Now a fair number of middle aged professionals have tattoos--many of which they first got when they were young adults.
Perhaps it depends on your industry.  And maybe there's a geographical component as well.  I can say that in tech/business/finance, in my part of the world, tattoos were a rarity among young professionals in the mid 90s.  Even ones that would be hidden under business attire.

But it's certainly not a rarity now.

I'm just disputing the timeline.  I think if we're talking "mainstream" then it happened later, maybe as much as 7-10 years later, when the millennials began entering the workforce (and adult society in general) en masse.

And that could be what normalized it to the point that a lot of older people went ahead and started getting tattoos as well.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 02, 2025, 04:00:54 PM
Somewhere else that I just recently read, he pulled out another $100 word, the kind that you mostly only know if you went to Purdue. 

Actually I knew it, but I never think of it, and thus never use it. 

Can't remember it, though, and I can't find it.  I think it might have been in the backlog of 25+ pages I was catching up on yesterday in the retirement thread. 

Pity, I have a list of big words that nobody needs, but which I like to whip out on people if they get on my nerves.  Using big words really gets on people's nerves, I don't know why.  See:  Milchick's performance review, Severance, season 2. 
The advantage of having a large vocabulary is that sometime that one specific uncommon word simply fits exactly what and how you want to convey better than using smaller words. I.e. the use of Sisyphean... I could say playing with those older kids felt like beating my head against the wall. But that doesn't convey the sense of hopeless futility that it didn't really matter what I did. I could keep working and working but because I was ALWAYS going to be two+ years younger than some of them, the boulder was never going to get to the top of the hill and stay there. 

And as I said, the funny thing about it in retrospect is that if I had stuck with it, it actually might have swung in my favor. Because I was going to turn 17 years old the summer before my senior year of HS, and would thus be no more than ~11 months younger than anyone I would be competing against in HS football. But most of them were NEVER going to be 6'4" and 225#--or likely closer to 240# or more if I'd been weight training heavily all through HS. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 02, 2025, 04:52:21 PM
The advantage of having a large vocabulary is that sometime that one specific uncommon word simply fits exactly what and how you want to convey better than using smaller words. I.e. the use of Sisyphean... I could say playing with those older kids felt like beating my head against the wall. But that doesn't convey the sense of hopeless futility that it didn't really matter what I did. I could keep working and working but because I was ALWAYS going to be two+ years younger than some of them, the boulder was never going to get to the top of the hill and stay there.

My vocabulary seems to be divided into two categories, words I know, and words I think of and thus actually use.  I read/hear other people's big words just fine.  It's more rare that they jump into my mind and out of my mouth (or onto my screen).  

I'd be a more impressive communicator if my brain could bridge that odd gap.  I can think of some if I intentionally try, but just i the course of a normal conversation where I'm not thinking about big words, they don't just present themselves in my sentences.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 02, 2025, 04:57:38 PM
It's a neat trick to find exactly the right word for the situation, but also one that everyone around you will understand.




It's one of the reasons expletives are so popular. 

:)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 02, 2025, 05:01:42 PM
Don't know how youthful your team is... I thought it was funny that when we had our department Christmas lunch a couple of months back, one of the topics of conversation between a couple guys was that they'd hit the "50%" club... They'd been at our company for over 50% of their life. I'm at about 17 1/2 years now, but wouldn't join that club unless I stick around until I'm 58.

Trying to attract the young'uns to boring data storage when they all want to work for OpenAI or Tesla or SpaceX or [insert hot hip company name] is a little difficult. I don't know if the PC / compute space is similar...

Your solution, of course, is to hire a guy with a data science degree, who doesn't care about OpenAI or Tesla or SpaceX, has a modest vocabulary, and no tattoos :)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 02, 2025, 05:05:33 PM
all I'm missing is the degree
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 02, 2025, 05:27:49 PM
We know all about the secret OU tramp-stamp tattoo you have.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 02, 2025, 05:47:27 PM
Your solution, of course, is to hire a guy with a data science degree, who doesn't care about OpenAI or Tesla or SpaceX, has a modest vocabulary, and no tattoos :)
You see any openings on our web site, just let me know and I'll put your name in via employee referral :72:
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 04, 2025, 03:11:39 PM
Finally found the new ball in yellow!

And not to allow politics into this thread, but thought it prudent to stock up in case the price rises soon due to the tariffs. 

So now I've got 4 doz of the yellow, and already had 2 doz of the white, so when my last half dozen of the old version in yellow are gone I should be good for a while. 

(https://i.imgur.com/S20ySQt.jpeg)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 04, 2025, 03:47:13 PM
haven't tried the new ball.
last year's ball was high spin, I assume the new ball is as well
I like them for approach shots and around the green
not good for my driver
I strongly dislike yeller balls
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: SFBadger96 on April 04, 2025, 03:52:15 PM
I, too, have an aversion to yellow balls, but this is the ball I play. Price point is the winner. I'm not good enough to think about anything else.

I also have Kirland Signature wedges, and the driver. I don't hit a driver very well--I'm more confident with my 3-wood--but I like it well enough. I get about 20 extra yards, on average, from the driver (over the 3-wood). Again, the price point was right. My other clubs are all TaylorMades (although all but the putter and 15-year old 3-wood were purchased used).

The wedges are great. I'm not sure what I would compare them too because I've literally never had another gap/approach or sand wedge (I always used to use my P to get out of a bunker). As much fun as the loft wedge is it sits on a shelf in my garage to prevent me from using it. Too much danger around that club.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 04, 2025, 04:05:57 PM
haven't tried the new ball.
last year's ball was high spin, I assume the new ball is as well
I like them for approach shots and around the green
not good for my driver
I strongly dislike yeller balls
I prefer yellow. Easier for me to see. 

The new ball is reportedly lower spin. Odd though as I haven't seen a lot of YouTube reviews of it, which is uncharacteristic for a Kirkland ball. I've seen some personal people reporting on their own launch monitor results, and most say that the spin numbers are now in line with other premium balls. 

I'm not some massive big hitter (good drive 250, if I roast one 260-270, including roll), but never had a problem with distance with any of the Kirklands. If this one is better b/c it's a little lower spin, then it's all good as far as I'm concerned.

I, too, have an aversion to yellow balls, but this is the ball I play. Price point is the winner. I'm not good enough to think about anything else.

I also have Kirland Signature wedges, and the driver. I don't hit a driver very well--I'm more confident with my 3-wood--but I like it well enough. I get about 20 extra yards, on average, from the driver (over the 3-wood). Again, the price point was right. My other clubs are all TaylorMades (although all but the putter and 15-year old 3-wood were purchased used).

The wedges are great. I'm not sure what I would compare them too because I've literally never had another gap/approach or sand wedge (I always used to use my P to get out of a bunker). As much fun as the loft wedge is it sits on a shelf in my garage to prevent me from using it. Too much danger around that club.
My issue with the wedges is that I'm a giant. I've heard they're great. But if I bought the wedges, I'd have to get them reshafted (incl. longer playing length) and regripped to get them even remotely close to playable. And once you do that... The cost advantage is gone. 

I bought the driver, with the stiff shaft. The goal was to see if I liked it more than my own--which itself is a 10+ year old Ping G25 with 70g stiff shaft. I didn't feel like I hit it better than mine. Had my son try it out, and he was using an older TM R7 with regular, and this was MUCH better for him. He also plays the Kirkland wedges. 

For me, I'll stick with the balls and gloves. The clubs, like any off-the-rack clubs, just aren't a good fit for a gorilla like me :57:
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Post by: FearlessF on April 04, 2025, 04:23:32 PM
I have 2 clubs in my possession that aren't used.
a gap wedge and a sand wedge - Clevelands that were gifts at a Member/Guest weekend
my other wedges are all CG14 Cleveland - last year of the square grooves 
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Post by: FearlessF on April 04, 2025, 04:35:46 PM
utee94 is gonna luv this

https://mygolfspy.com/labs/ball-lab-costo-kirkland-performance-plus-v3-ball-review/ (https://mygolfspy.com/labs/ball-lab-costo-kirkland-performance-plus-v3-ball-review/)

(https://i.imgur.com/Of2Dv2u.png)
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Post by: SFBadger96 on April 04, 2025, 04:48:22 PM
I've never paid much attention to my swing, but I feel like I'm in the 220 to 230 carry range when I hit the Kirkland driver solidly. Every now and again I really get a hold of it, but not often. On a dry day with good roll, I'm getting 250-270 out of the drives, with the occaisional 290-300, which makes me smile. I hit my 3-wood (an older TaylorMade burner with a stiff shaft) about 225-240 most of the time. I feel like I get a lot out of that club. The driver rarely gives me the same positive feedback, even when I'm hitting 270+.
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Post by: utee94 on April 04, 2025, 04:49:24 PM
utee94 is gonna luv this

https://mygolfspy.com/labs/ball-lab-costo-kirkland-performance-plus-v3-ball-review/ (https://mygolfspy.com/labs/ball-lab-costo-kirkland-performance-plus-v3-ball-review/)

[img width=500 height=458.996]https://i.imgur.com/Of2Dv2u.png[/img]

(https://media.tenor.com/mtw8K2lJEiAAAAAM/spock-fascinating.gif)
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Post by: FearlessF on April 04, 2025, 04:54:30 PM
I've never paid much attention to my swing, but I feel like I'm in the 220 to 230 carry range when I hit the Kirkland driver solidly. Every now and again I really get a hold of it, but not often. On a dry day with good roll, I'm getting 250-270 out of the drives, with the occaisional 290-300, which makes me smile. I hit my 3-wood (an older TaylorMade burner with a stiff shaft) about 225-240 most of the time. I feel like I get a lot out of that club. The driver rarely gives me the same positive feedback, even when I'm hitting 270+.
the newer drivers have such a large face and sweet spot they just don't give good feedback
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Post by: utee94 on April 04, 2025, 05:06:53 PM
I was at Top Golf a couple of weeks ago and hit much better with the massive oversized "sure thing" driver, than all of the other clubs.

So I understand what you're saying!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 04, 2025, 05:31:38 PM
utee94 is gonna luv this

https://mygolfspy.com/labs/ball-lab-costo-kirkland-performance-plus-v3-ball-review/ (https://mygolfspy.com/labs/ball-lab-costo-kirkland-performance-plus-v3-ball-review/)

(https://i.imgur.com/Of2Dv2u.png)
That's the old version BTW. That was the bottom left of the below... New ball is the bottom right. 

(https://i.imgur.com/SSNB0iv.jpeg)
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Post by: FearlessF on April 04, 2025, 05:46:40 PM
cool, I'll keep an eye out for the new review on spin levels
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Post by: Riffraft on April 05, 2025, 01:23:46 PM
I've never paid much attention to my swing, but I feel like I'm in the 220 to 230 carry range when I hit the Kirkland driver solidly. Every now and again I really get a hold of it, but not often. On a dry day with good roll, I'm getting 250-270 out of the drives, with the occaisional 290-300, which makes me smile. I hit my 3-wood (an older TaylorMade burner with a stiff shaft) about 225-240 most of the time. I feel like I get a lot out of that club. The driver rarely gives me the same positive feedback, even when I'm hitting 270+.
If I get 180+ from my Titliest Tsr1 I am happy.  When I was fitted, the guy told me it was designed for old guys with slow swing speed.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 05, 2025, 01:29:39 PM
Let's see if this thing still works... And I remember how :57:

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 06, 2025, 02:18:42 PM
Trying to replace my daughter's mattress today.

It's WAY up there at the top :57:

Might be a couple minutes...
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 06, 2025, 05:48:46 PM
Let's see if this thing still works... And I remember how :57:


Are you frying something or making moonshine!?!?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 06, 2025, 07:08:10 PM
Are you frying something or making moonshine!?!?
Beer. With some slight modifications to my process, and of course the addition of a still, I could make moonshine. 
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Post by: bayareabadger on April 07, 2025, 09:48:08 AM
Let's see if this thing still works... And I remember how :57:


First step: don’t fall in. 
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Post by: MrNubbz on April 07, 2025, 12:52:22 PM
Are you frying something or making moonshine!?!?
Beer. With some slight modifications to my process, and of course the addition of a still, I could make moonshine.
You two non believing heathens this is proof of GOD's existence - who loves us and wants us to be happy - it's scriptural
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Post by: MrNubbz on April 07, 2025, 12:54:34 PM
Today is International Beaver Day,just thought you should know

https://www.bing.com/search?q=bing+beavers+quiz&FORM=MSN197&ocid=widgetonlockscreenwin10&cvid=26d230631f364900bb0026d3d9e4312a&ei=13
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Post by: utee94 on April 07, 2025, 01:30:36 PM
You two non believing heathens this is proof of GOD's existence - who loves us and wants us to be happy - it's scriptural
Yup, pretty sure that was Luke 5:16.

Or maybe Aristotle.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 07, 2025, 01:32:29 PM
I thought it was Mark Twain. 
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Post by: utee94 on April 07, 2025, 01:34:10 PM
Didn't he say the coldest winter he ever spent, was summer in Norman, Oklahoma?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 07, 2025, 01:39:28 PM
Didn't he say the coldest winter he ever spent, was summer in Norman, Oklahoma?
I doubt it. Why would anyone, ever, go to Norman, OK?
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 07, 2025, 01:51:05 PM
On Friday I achieved maybe my greatest working/professional accomplishment ever. 

....and I can't ever put it on my resume or tell anybody about it. 

Sounds shady, doesn't it?  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 07, 2025, 01:52:15 PM
Yes.
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Post by: Gigem on April 07, 2025, 03:31:37 PM
On Friday I achieved maybe my greatest working/professional accomplishment ever. 

....and I can't ever put it on my resume or tell anybody about it. 

Sounds shady, doesn't it? 
The ole cliffhanger huh ? 
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Post by: FearlessF on April 13, 2025, 08:05:58 AM
in other news............

pulled the toy out of storage yesterday afternoon and drove to my favorite steakhouse

(https://i.imgur.com/eZF3nC4.jpeg)
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Post by: MrNubbz on April 13, 2025, 08:10:27 AM
Damn for a poor old dirt farmer you seem to be navigating the tricky waters of retirement alright
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Post by: utee94 on April 14, 2025, 11:57:48 AM
In other news... there was a huge explosion at a house in NW Austin yesterday morning, between 11 and 12.  They're still investigating the cause but the speculation is, some kind of propane leak (no natural gas in that neighborhood but the house had its own propane supply).  The house had been recently sold, but the new owners hadn't yet moved in.  They think there were some workers in the house.

6 injured, nobody dead, but the house was completely leveled.  What used to be a 2-story house, nothing but splinters.  The explosion damaged over 20 houses surrounding it.

I bring it up, because one of my very close friends, lives 4 doors down from it.  He and his family were in their house when it happened (no injuries thank goodness) and the shockwave blew in every single external door, just tore them off their doorframes.  It also blew out almost all of the windows and the garage door.  And it shattered a bunch of glass picture frames and stuff inside the house.

I live about 8 miles away and I heard it clearly from inside my house, it sounded like a loud clap of thunder.  I can't even imagine how loud it had to have been at ground zero.  Some people as far away as Georgetown, 20 miles away, heard it.

https://www.statesman.com/picture-gallery/news/2025/04/13/home-explosion-rattles-northwest-austin-see-photos-from-the-scene/83073681007/

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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 14, 2025, 12:04:06 PM
That's amazing if there were workers in the house and nobody died. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2025, 12:08:57 PM
That is equivalent to an FAE bomb in effect, a fuel air explosive.  If the ratios are near ideal it really generates a huge amount of energy quickly.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2025, 12:10:44 PM
Jeez.
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Post by: GopherRock on April 14, 2025, 12:46:08 PM
https://youtu.be/Lr15rPHEmeQ?si=VBoSSZb8hvzQHuzD
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Post by: FearlessF on April 14, 2025, 12:47:53 PM
yikes
be careful out there
no gas or propane at my house
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 14, 2025, 12:51:51 PM
I have a tank buried in my yard, for the generator.
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Post by: utee94 on April 14, 2025, 12:55:23 PM
We have natural gas.  Which isn't actually all that dangerous on its own, it's extremely low pressure, like around 1/4 PSI.   The danger for natural gas comes if there's a leak in an enclosed space, which traps the gas over time, and then you get some kind of ignition source.

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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 14, 2025, 01:19:54 PM
We have natural gas.  Which isn't actually all that dangerous on its own, it's extremely low pressure, like around 1/4 PSI.  The danger for natural gas comes if there's a leak in an enclosed space, which traps the gas over time, and then you get some kind of ignition source.

I don't know a lot about gas lines.  About 6 months ago I had the city run a line from the main for a our lot, which previously had no hookups.  We did it because we were installing a generator and I didn't want to get the version with tanks.  There were a lot of glitches with seemingly incompetent city workers, one of which was the generator's test-crank didn't work and it was found that it was supposed to be a low-pressure line and the city had installed a high-pressure line.  That's what they said, anyway.  I don't know the difference in pressure between the two, or why/how they messed that up.  They had to install some kind of limiter at the point of the generator to avoid digging up our yard again.  

A week or two after they were "done," we started smelling gas.  I called the city several times, they came to check for leaks, and their instruments apparently told them there weren't any.  One Saturday morning we went outside and it was significantly worse.  We called again and found out neighbors two and three streets away had called about a gas smell.  They came again, checked, and said we had a small leak, so they started digging.  They would up not having a part, so they ordered and overnight'd it and told us don't worry.  The following morning it was horrible.  When they came back that day they said it was bad.....real bad.  Really glad nobody on our street lit a match out there.

Anyway, they fixed it, but now I've got what is, according to them, a high pressure line running in my yard, which is not supposed to be a high pressure line.  

Generator works, though.  
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Post by: utee94 on April 14, 2025, 06:04:48 PM

Someone posted on surlyhorns a video from the house across the street.

https://media.surlyhorns.com/monthly_2025_04/0cb90501-5e90-4c90-9339-402d974d5b91.mp4.da8e4052f2b4cf59dab9ad14e0173c4c.mp4
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 14, 2025, 10:04:22 PM
Natural gas doesn't smell naturally.

It has an additive that does.
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Post by: Gigem on April 14, 2025, 10:07:28 PM
I don't know a lot about gas lines.  About 6 months ago I had the city run a line from the main for a our lot, which previously had no hookups.  We did it because we were installing a generator and I didn't want to get the version with tanks.  There were a lot of glitches with seemingly incompetent city workers, one of which was the generator's test-crank didn't work and it was found that it was supposed to be a low-pressure line and the city had installed a high-pressure line.  That's what they said, anyway.  I don't know the difference in pressure between the two, or why/how they messed that up.  They had to install some kind of limiter at the point of the generator to avoid digging up our yard again. 

A week or two after they were "done," we started smelling gas.  I called the city several times, they came to check for leaks, and their instruments apparently told them there weren't any.  One Saturday morning we went outside and it was significantly worse.  We called again and found out neighbors two and three streets away had called about a gas smell.  They came again, checked, and said we had a small leak, so they started digging.  They would up not having a part, so they ordered and overnight'd it and told us don't worry.  The following morning it was horrible.  When they came back that day they said it was bad.....real bad.  Really glad nobody on our street lit a match out there.

Anyway, they fixed it, but now I've got what is, according to them, a high pressure line running in my yard, which is not supposed to be a high pressure line. 

Generator works, though. 
Well, the difference between high pressure gas and regular may only be 2-3 psig. If it was mine I’d want high pressure with a restricting orifice at the distribution tie point. 

The smell is artificially added when they make it. It’s called mercaptan.The only thing that would indicate danger is called LEL. Lower explosion limit. You have to be over 100% LEL and under the UEL ( upper explosion limit) before something goes boom. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 14, 2025, 10:58:53 PM
Natural gas doesn't smell naturally.

It has an additive that does.
Chili WITH BEANS
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2025, 04:34:47 AM
The compound properly is called methane thiol, the older name is methyl mercaptan, not that it matters really.  I used to use this stuff in grad school, a lot.  And it really stinks.  They use the ethane homolog in CNG and butane apparently.

CH3-SH.

It reacts strongly with mercury, hence the older name "mercaptan".  



Methanethiol is a byproduct of the metabolism of asparagus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asparagus).[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanethiol#cite_note-7) The production of methanethiol in urine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine) after eating asparagus was once thought to be a genetic trait (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics). More recent research suggests that the peculiar odor is in fact produced by all humans after consuming asparagus, while the ability to detect it (methanethiol being one of many components in "asparagus pee") is in fact the genetic trait.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanethiol#cite_note-8) The chemical components responsible for the change in the odor of urine show as soon as 15 minutes after eating asparagus.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanethiol#cite_note-9)
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Post by: FearlessF on April 15, 2025, 08:05:42 AM
I like asparagus, but prefer Brussel sprouts
perhaps for this reason 
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Post by: MrNubbz on April 15, 2025, 08:16:42 AM
What, pee smelling?
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Post by: FearlessF on April 15, 2025, 08:34:50 AM
some odors I find offensive

(https://i.imgur.com/2sgSJ7R.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 15, 2025, 08:44:53 AM
Often things smell bad because they are bad.  Rancid meat smells bad as an alarm we shouldn't eat it.  We evolved if you will sensory detection mechanisms to allow us to avoid dangerous things, often as not.

Of course, some unusual gases with no odor at all are very dangerous too.  I recall using nitrogen tetroxide long ago that is very toxic and has no odor, which makes it quite dangerous.
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Post by: utee94 on April 15, 2025, 09:09:53 AM
Often things smell bad because they are bad.  Rancid meat smells bad as an alarm we shouldn't eat it.  We evolved if you will sensory detection mechanisms to allow us to avoid dangerous things, often as not.

Of course, some unusual gases with no odor at all are very dangerous too.  I recall using nitrogen tetroxide long ago that is very toxic and has no odor, which makes it quite dangerous.
In my semiconductor ion implant days, I used to have to don my SCBA and change out gas bottles including phosphine, arsine, and silicon tetraflouride.  They say that arsine has a mild garlic smell, but honestly if you're breathing in concentrations high enough to detect the odor, you might already be on your way to death anyway.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 15, 2025, 04:17:00 PM
There is a restaurant in Round Rock, TX called Louisiana Longhorn Cafe which I suddenly have a hankering for, and I'm not sure why.  It isn't the best food I've ever had and was a little pricey, for what it was. 

There is also a house, in New Orleans, they call the Rising Sun.  It's been the ruin of many a poor boy, and God knows I'm one.  
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Post by: utee94 on April 15, 2025, 04:40:44 PM
There is a restaurant in Round Rock, TX called Louisiana Longhorn Cafe which I suddenly have a hankering for, and I'm not sure why.  It isn't the best food I've ever had and was a little pricey, for what it was. 

There is also a house, in New Orleans, they call the Rising Sun.  It's been the ruin of many a poor boy, and God knows I'm one. 
Upon your recommendation, I met you there for lunch once upon a time.  Not the house of the Rising Sun, the other joint.  And it was tasty.

I've been back several times over the years, and recommended it to others.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 15, 2025, 05:23:40 PM
Oh yeah, it's worth going to for sure.  I tried to make it back a couple times a year even when I moved to SM.  I just wasn't sure what suddenly made me get hungry for it.  I think of it as more of a place to aim for if I'm in the area, not as a place that enters my mind when I'm miles and years away.  
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Post by: FearlessF on April 15, 2025, 09:30:57 PM
I've tried it a couple times when my brother lived in RR.
Good stuff, kinda pricey for my brother
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 16, 2025, 08:59:33 AM
Oh yeah, it's worth going to for sure.  I tried to make it back a couple times a year even when I moved to SM.  I just wasn't sure what suddenly made me get hungry for it.  I think of it as more of a place to aim for if I'm in the area, not as a place that enters my mind when I'm miles and years away. 
Santa Monica?

Go here: Chez Jay — Chez Jay (https://chezjays.com/chez-jay)
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 16, 2025, 09:56:03 AM
Santa Monica?

Go here: Chez Jay — Chez Jay (https://chezjays.com/chez-jay)

ha, no, not Santa Monica, though should I ever make it there, I'll check this place out.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 05:52:43 AM
A thing that impressed me of late, how much water is out there.  We spent three days traversing the Arabia Sea, getting up every day and seeing nothing but water in every direction, not a ship in sight anywhere.  This isn't even a large ocean, it's just a "sea".  Three days and only us.  Lots of water.  None of it fit to drink.

One can start to feel insignificant.

And of course if one extends this into space, well, the comparisons just get silly.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 06:20:14 AM
Scientists find strongest evidence yet of life on an alien planet | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/17/science/life-on-alien-planet-strongest-evidence/index.html?Date=20250417&Profile=CNN&utm_content=1744884901&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawJttE9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHggXAW38bKxwSyaY0KhJRCx9m16cGlR-m8Ke07rRx8uZUPLMoJQeDPHpG0Xt_aem_4cKJ1Pt0QIIjB6Q6Lfd8fA)

Speaking of mercaptans *thiols* in natural gas etc., this is a bit interesting, though I read this a few months back.  I gather this is confirmation of dimethyl sulfide in an atmosphere "out there".  I'm a bit surprised maybe it is only produced on Earth by biological processes (or in labs of course).  

Most of are more familiar with dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO), once a thing one could buy from ... somewhat dubious outlets in the country for arthitis etc.  DMSO itself is quite interesting (to me anyway), DMS is one atom from being DMSO of course.

Some Biblical folks claim life elsewhere is not possible, biblically, I'm not sure on what that opinion is based.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 08:17:01 AM
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/reel/668406632591488)

Neat question, take an 18 HDCP golfer and pair him with Rory at the Masters on Sunday playing "real golf", what does he shoot?

Guesses are 150 and 175.

That's a bogey golfer (which I never was), a guy who can get in the fairway half the time off the tee probably and not be in jail the rest usually.  He gets close to the green on par 3s and gets up and down occasionally, usually with a two put.  This is when playing at Dubusta County Local.  

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Post by: FearlessF on April 17, 2025, 08:43:16 AM
it's close to a bogey golfer

they would shoot 18 over about 20% of the time
it's what you would shoot on a "good" day
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Post by: FearlessF on April 17, 2025, 09:35:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/inLYtL2.jpeg)
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Post by: MrNubbz on April 17, 2025, 09:42:13 AM
Atta boy Tiger get your money's worth like I use to
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 09:43:34 AM
I forget about how the HDCP is calculated and doesn't mean dude shoots that on average, but anyway ...

I think it's an interesting question.

I can see a guy shooting a 14 on some holes, just getting lost, playing from the back tees, hitting into the deep trees, or water, and four putting those super fast greens.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 09:47:17 AM
it's close to a bogey golfer

they would shoot 18 over about 20% of the time
it's what you would shoot on a "good" day
Probably not at Augusta when it's set up for the Masters from the tournament tees. Probably going to have a course rating about 77 and a slope of about 145. If you're an 18 cap, your "course handicap" will be 28. 

So you'd be expected to shoot about 28 over or better... 20% of the time. And worse than that the other 80%. 

A good number of the par 4s there would be par 5s for me as I can't get there in 2, and I'm not some short knocker. 

And I can't even think of the number of three-putts I'd probably have on the crazy greens. 

I'd be elated to break 100 there from the tournament tees. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 09:59:39 AM
There is of course breaking 100 on a nice Sunny day playing with your buds, and playing on a nice Sunny day literally as part of the final round there with crowds.

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Post by: Honestbuckeye on April 17, 2025, 10:01:00 AM
So I am a 10 handicap ( that basically means if you take the best 10 of my last 20 scores on a medium difficulty course, and I play well, I might shoot an 82)

I have played some difficult courses. Not Augusta, of course, but I have played Bayhill and TPC where they play the players championship.

Scores were Of course, a little higher than I would want Off of what I would’ve shot on a different course. Low 90s   

Of course, those of you have Golf know you play those courses very conservatively. You play to stay out of trouble.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 10:01:28 AM
There is of course breaking 100 on a nice Sunny day playing with your buds, and playing on a nice Sunny day literally as part of the final round there with crowds.


The traditional repentance for hitting a spectator with your golf ball is to give them a signed glove.

I'd need to bring a lot of gloves. 
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Post by: FearlessF on April 17, 2025, 10:05:47 AM
signed glove with a $100 bill enclosed
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 10:12:18 AM
So I am a 10 handicap ( that basically means if you take the best 10 of my last 20 scores on a medium difficulty course, and I play well, I might shoot an 82)
What do you guess you'd shoot on Sunday in the Masters from the champ tees with the crowd?

120?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 10:37:44 AM
I'm currently a 21 handicap, and I'd guess I'd probably shoot somewhere between 110 and 120. Like HB said, on a course like that I'd be trying to play conservatively. 

I'd think a 10 cap, even in Masters conditions, would likely be breaking 100. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 17, 2025, 11:17:26 AM
This morning a co-worker told me "I try not to be political, but...." and then proceeded to be very political. 

Like when people say "No offense, but....." they're going to say something offensive. 

"I'm not a racist, but...."   Yeah, they're probably about to say something racist. 

"I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but...." as they proceed to thrash the deceased stallion once more.  

"I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but....."  

Not sure what's behind the habit of thinking we can mitigate what we say simply by declaring it's not what it is. 

Like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy

Maybe what people mean is, "I do not wish to make you angry, but I'm about to say something that might make you angry."  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 17, 2025, 11:29:03 AM
Any time the word but it used, it negates anything said before it.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on April 17, 2025, 11:41:21 AM
While I generally agree, a more charitable way to look at it is: I want to talk about something that I know is a fraught topic, so I'm trying to start this off at a non-hostile level of discourse.
(Which rarely works.) That being said, I don't normally take the charitable view. :-)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 17, 2025, 11:46:43 AM
Heh.

I'm not trying to be an asshole. I don't have to try.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 11:56:46 AM
I hadn't though about the "playing conservatively" part.  Yeah, maybe you are very consistent with your 7 iron and can hit it 150 yards consistently, so you play to reach a par 4 in three the whole way.    Or maybe your 4H is consistent, even better.
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Post by: jgvol on April 17, 2025, 12:22:27 PM
This morning a co-worker told me "I try not to be political, but...." and then proceeded to be very political. 

Like when people say "No offense, but....." they're going to say something offensive. 

"I'm not a racist, but...."  Yeah, they're probably about to say something racist. 

"I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but...." as they proceed to thrash the deceased stallion once more. 

"I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but....." 

Not sure what's behind the habit of thinking we can mitigate what we say simply by declaring it's not what it is. 

Like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy

Maybe what people mean is, "I do not wish to make you angry, but I'm about to say something that might make you angry." 

Indeed.  The fore-apology.
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Post by: jgvol on April 17, 2025, 12:26:14 PM
I hadn't though about the "playing conservatively" part.  Yeah, maybe you are very consistent with your 7 iron and can hit it 150 yards consistently, so you play to reach a par 4 in three the whole way.    Or maybe your 4H is consistent, even better.

I'm not a golfer anymore, but if I ever had the chance to play Augusta National ---- I'm going balls out.

You're going to suck anyway -- may as well make it memorable.  Maybe you hit an unbelievable shot on 12, and you can tell the tale of for the rest of your life?

Or you can play conservative, and have absolutely nothing interesting to say?
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 12:26:29 PM
"Forpology", I like it.

You might not like to hear this but ...

As a friend, I think I need to say this ...

I dunno, but maybe you should ...

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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 12:28:12 PM
I'm not a golfer anymore, but if I ever had the chance to play Augusta National ---- I'm going balls out.

You're going to suck anyway -- may as well make it memorable.  Maybe you hit an unbelievable shot on 12, and you can tell the tale of for the rest of your life?

Or you can play conservative, and have absolutely nothing interesting to say?
Yeah, the question is open, do you play for your lowest score and least embarrassment or do the Tin Cup redux.  

I bet the crowd moves back when you tee off at 18.
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Post by: jgvol on April 17, 2025, 12:34:12 PM
Yeah, the question is open, do you play for your lowest score and least embarrassment or do the Tin Cup redux. 

I bet the crowd moves back when you tee off at 18.

They'd better move back to 17 if I am teeing off.  :)

Driver was never my best club.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on April 17, 2025, 12:49:52 PM
I'm a bad golfer, but trying to get better. I've played a couple of these fancy courses. Most memorably Pebble Beach and the Lake Course at SF's Olympic Club. For each I have no trouble at all checking my ego and playing from the whites. Fortunately, the people I've played them with felt the same way.
I think Pebble isn't the nightmare that US Open courses are, or the greens at Augusta. I played Pebble reasonably consistently with how I play other courses. I was also playing it with people I was comfortable around, and none of us were uptight about it. I even birdied the iconic 7th hole (par 3 out to the ocean). That was freaking awesome.
The Olympic Club is relatively forgiving side to side. It's not a course you lose a lot of balls on. But once you get up to the greens, everything is protected, and some of the greens can be pretty nasty (and I'm sure much more so when tidied up for a PGA event). I also played it with people that I wanted to not look like an idiot in front of. So what did I do? Completely blew up--looked like an idiot. But on the 8th hole, a par 3 that plays up to the club's bar, I had a great put from the fringe to save par--and got some cheers from the gallery up at the bar, which was nice. (Not as nice as total consciousness, but still nice.) Conversely, I had a 12, if I remember correctly, on 18.
I'm working on trying to be more conservative in how I play, but it's awfully hard to look at a shot that I can make at a cool course, then decide, nah, I'm going to play it safe. Generally I do that when I'm already in real trouble--I'll play it safe to get around a tree that I'm stuck behind in the rough.
So yeah, I'd probably go for it, too, and hope to have one or two shots or holes to remember. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 02:42:24 PM
I think Pebble is well known for being difficult due to its small greens. Which is important for expert golfers--they hit a lot of greens so if they're missing a bunch, they're doing a lot of scrambling. 

However, I miss most of the greens when I play anyway. So I don't think Pebble would be much different for me :57:

I actually think Augusta wouldn't be as big of a problem as most of us think. I think getting off the fairway in amongst the trees could make for some difficult recovery shots--but as long as you can find your ball, you can [usually] hit your ball. Yeah, it means that on that hole at BEST you're pretty much playing for bogey. But again, if my goal is simply to finish with a score that contains 2 digits rather than 3... It's a lot better to be punching the ball out the trees than hitting it out of bounds or into penalty areas. I'm sure the greens are diabolical though...

I have more trouble with courses with a lot of out of bounds, or with a lot of areas where you simply aren't going to find your ball. Out of bounds or lost ball basically being a 2-shot penalty... It doesn't take many of those to blow up a score. 


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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 02:56:54 PM
In 1956 - 22 years after the inaugural Masters (initially called the Augusta Invitational Tournament) - the former World War II veteran and self-taught amateur golfer ended a horrible week with a final-round total of 95.
It was the highest-scoring round of his 340 over the four days. That's 52-over and also remains the largest tournament score ever at Augusta. It will remain that way, too, given the year after was the first Masters where a halfway cut was introduced.

According to Kevin Kaduk of Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/charlie-kunkle-is-the-answer-to-two-notsogreat-masters-trivia-questions-133429368.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGbzmyPx-FivsmgZs-bEwMxuSk1mMmBmSqQBSGmPIlfYvWHoZACjheS8ChV2RxdR5sFicvQdHWfLZCcg_uM7l2LAYUubuX7UztBGlLUhGlnVTEyf4ao-j4ljYVYl6ADb6DpVEH4SusptGux7XTS_SHpDG7SdsjM7fix-K8WAQ8et), there were a number of unhelpful factors which led to Kunkle blasting 95 on the Sunday, mind you, and it was not that he was a poor player.


Kunkle carded 78 on Thursday, finishing in darkness because of a weather-delayed start, an 82 on Friday, an 85 on Saturday, and then the record 95 to cap it all off.

What Is The Highest Single-Round Score Ever Seen At The Masters? | Golf Monthly (https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/who-holds-the-record-for-the-worst-single-round-score-ever-seen-at-the-masters-and-why-its-not-billy-casper)

This is a bit unfair, conditions were really bad, but this is a good golfer having some bad days.  He likely would be a near scratch golfer at your local, maybe better?

I think the problem for real amateurs at Augusta (aside from nerves, which would be of consequence), would be 4 and 5 putting, maybe some 6s.  There is some water of course, and some tight fairways, but as noted, a "pretty good golfer" could use a lesser club than a driver off the tee and usually find the fairway, or short rough.  The sand would probably come into play a few times in 18.  My guess is the score might be 100-120, not 150 or more, even with nerves.

It's impressive that an elite golfer having four nice rounds might finish 10th, and be proud of it, maybe he goes 73-71-72-71.  

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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 17, 2025, 03:35:16 PM
I knew a guy from my little hometown who's a banker, and one of those "amateur" golfers that make other people say "You should've been...."  He used his golfing prowess to get a scholarship, and according to him, it came in handy when schmoozing big wigs and he credited his moving up the ranks at his bank with being able to hit the green with big wigs that need to be hosted (or visited) and schmoozed.  He really enjoys it as a hobby but says he never considered trying to play professionally. 

The courses around our area probably aren't that hard, I'd imagine, but he usually hit low or mid 70's, under par.  He traveled around and played a lot of other courses and claimed he could usually hit par or better even on harder courses.  Having seen him play, I don't doubt it.  I heard him say one time that breaking 100 consistently is one of the major hurdles to clear for noobs.  After that, he thought, it's not as difficult to cut it down to 90, then mid 80's, etc. and it starts happening faster.  I liken it to a chess player breaking 1000 ELO, which a lot of people never do, but "they" say once you do, you can hit 1500 way faster than it took you to get from 500 to 1000. 

I don't know if he's right about that.  All I know is I sucked really bad, and I didn't last long enough to find out back when I tried it for a while in college.  A much better friend of mine continued golfing with him back in those days and once he broke 100 he did pretty quickly get consistently down to the low 90s.  I don't remember if he ever got much better from there.  I don't know that he golfs much anymore. 

It was an extraordinarily frustrating game for me.  With basketball or baseball, I aimed, I did physical mechanics that made sense, I applied force to the ball in the direction I wanted it to go, I succeeded.  With golf, I did everything he and others told me to do, and yet the GDMFSOAB ball sliced right every time like it had a magnet in it, and the starboard trees were the metal luring it away.  I literally had better success lining up facing left about 20-25 degrees of where I actually wanted to drive the ball.  Stoopid game. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 17, 2025, 03:40:19 PM
Actually, as I recall, the first time I swung a driver at a ball at the driving range, I missed the ball completely. 

So I guess I did get some measure of better.  

They told me I was trying to hit it like I was swinging a baseball bat.  I wondered how the hell else are you supposed to swing the thing?  
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 03:41:45 PM
So, even at the Masters was good for a tie at 29th.  The weather was pretty good this year.  The winner tied at -11.  Two players made the cut and finished at +9.  

Three players finished 8th at -5.  

I'd guess a real 18 HDCP player playing the back tees but with no audience could shoot in the 90s from the back tees?  He might also shoot 110.

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Post by: iahawk15 on April 17, 2025, 03:41:48 PM
I'm technically a 6, but I'd say it's a bit of a vanity cap and I'm more realistically an 8. I play the same small town muni course with slow greens a million times per year, rarely travel to other courses, and very rarely play anything overly difficult.

I'd play it very conservatively. Doubtful I'd pull the driver out all day. My irons are pretty good, decent chipper, shaky putter.

I'd guess my score to be between 100-110.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 03:43:00 PM
Actually, as I recall, the first time I swung a driver at a ball at the driving range, I missed the ball completely. 

So I guess I did get some measure of better. 

They told me I was trying to hit it like I was swinging a baseball bat.  I wondered how the hell else are you supposed to swing the thing? 
This was my main problem, the golf swing is very much not a baseball swing.  I also had a screaming slice as a result of this.  I "cured" it sort of by trying to relax.  NOW RELAX DUMMY AND KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN< NO YOU IDIOT RELAX!!!!!
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 17, 2025, 03:45:43 PM
"screaming slice"

Yeah, that about sums up my attempt at golf. 
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Post by: utee94 on April 17, 2025, 03:50:56 PM
Screaming Slice would be a good name for a pizza parlor housed inside the golf clubhouse.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 17, 2025, 03:52:27 PM
Screaming Slice would be a good name for a pizza parlor housed inside the golf clubhouse.
(https://i.imgur.com/JvOzmSG.jpeg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 03:58:11 PM
Golf is a lot like pitching, you need to relax, but be wired at the same time, mentally confident of course, and relaxed.

Being good at either requires good muscle memory where you don't have to think.  Thinking kills both.  And hold it like an egg.

Strikeouts are fascist I say.

Bull Durham (1988) - Strikeouts Are Fascist Scene (3/12) | Movieclips (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-guv9Pd_RA)
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Post by: utee94 on April 17, 2025, 04:00:48 PM


Golf is a lot like pitching, you need to relax, but be wired at the same time, mentally confident of course, and relaxed.

Being good at either requires good muscle memory where you don't have to think.  Thinking kills both.  And hold it like an egg.

Strikeouts are fascist I say.

Bull Durham (1988) - Strikeouts Are Fascist Scene (3/12) | Movieclips (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-guv9Pd_RA)
Don't forget to breathe through your right eyelid and wear a garter belt.  The rose goes in front, big guy.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 04:07:44 PM
Bull Durham (1988) - Nuke Brings the Heat Scene (4/12) | Movieclips (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RZMIAL7vM)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 04:18:04 PM
Golf is a lot like pitching, you need to relax, but be wired at the same time, mentally confident of course, and relaxed.
I've been told by golf instructors that throwing (pitcher, QB) makes it easier to learn the golf swing than a good hitter in baseball. Although hockey players apparently take to it quite naturally. 

Baseball hitters, as some of you apparently have learned, have a tendency to slice it off the planet...
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 17, 2025, 04:28:30 PM
Baseball hitters, as some of you apparently have learned, have a tendency to slice it off the planet...

I think if I'd have worked at it, I could've gotten my slice to actually go behind me, at 180 degrees.  

My slice was a prime candidate for Physics-Buster.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 04:35:47 PM
I learned a ton about pitching from my coach (obviously many many years too latter to matter much, though I almost certainly was at best maybe an AA level thrower with coaching, maybe).  I THOUGHT I had OK mechanics, and was way off, sometimes in simple ways.  My coach also told me I looked pretty good and then carved me up.

He told me he never got any decent coaching in HS or even in the minors, and he was a first round pick.  He said he learned to pitch after significant arm injuries.  I was amazed how much there was to learn and am pretty sure I got a cursory overview after 15 or so private lessons.  He watched me throw in camp and complemented me after, but he's a nice guy.  I got hit pretty hard a couple times, but by guys half my age so there is that.  I K'd one dude on a vicious curve ball.

All this stuff takes a lot of effort and time.  Playing bridge was like that for me, I haven't played in decades.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 04:55:59 PM
I think the pitching thing is kinda funny...

Not sure if I told this story here, but in 2016 one of my best friends was getting married. He's from Indiana, but was living in San Diego at the time (wife to be from Orange County). So they ended up doing a destination wedding--Buffalo Trace distillery in Frankfort, Kentucky. 

My then-girlfriend (now wife) and I flew out for it, routing in and out of Louisville. We took the redeye, and spent the first night in Louisville, so we had all day to sightsee/etc. 

Naturally, one of the places we went was the Louisville Slugger factory. Very cool tour, very good time. But one of the exhibits they had there was a pitching cage with a radar. 

I thought... I'm 38 (at the time), not old, I'm tall/large and still pretty athletic... In college when we were playing catch with a football, I could throw pretty far relative to buddies. Obviously I'm not thinking I could be chucking 90 mph fastballs. But I thought... Physically, how hard can it be to throw 65 or 70 mph? At my size? 

Nope. Averaged about 55 mph over three throws. And my arm/shoulder hurt like a MFer the rest of the day!

Thing is... Give me a couple days with a pitching coach to actually do it with proper mechanics? I'll bet I could add 10 mph. Still won't have the ceiling of a real pitcher with real talent. But I think it was my mechanics, not any physical limitations, that kept me at 55 mph. 

A lot of people think the golf swing is "natural, like throwing a ball". Well, yeah, it is. Just like throwing a ball, most people who haven't been trained to do it suck :57:
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 17, 2025, 05:09:23 PM
All this stuff takes a lot of effort and time.  Playing bridge was like that for me, I haven't played in decades.

Playing defense in basketball came pretty naturally and quickly for me.  I was pesky, even for hotshots.  It took much longer to be proficient on offense, particularly driving the lane.  Plus, at "only" 6'2" I had a significant height disadvantage vs. a lot of guys I played against.  It took a long time to learn to compensate.  However, "seeing the court"....assists, putting the ball through traffic, etc. was something I was only ever "ok" at. 

I've wondered what it's like standing in the batter's box against a legit pitcher.  I was always fine against high school competition and rec league guys, but I wonder how intimidating and hopeless it could feel to watch a pitch go by from a guy who's for real.  Some years ago I saw one of the best LSU baseball teams face OU in a super-regional.  OU had this hotshot pitcher who was a true dealer.  Our lineup was deadly as well and had a range of styles they were good at.  If anybody were ready, it would be them.  I recall watching the first pitch.....that OU kid threw a curve ball that was one of the prettiest things I've ever seen.  Fast, for a curve, right on the money, and deceptive.....that thing was high until at the last moment it wasn't.  Our poor batter didn't even swing, he just blinked, and he clearly had a "WTF just happened?" look on his face.  We eventually chased him, but not until he mowed down our lineup twice.  If a bunch of good college hitters can look like that against a mere college pitcher.....what would it feel like if I could face a major leaguer?  How many chances would I need to make contact, if I could at all?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 05:23:14 PM
If a bunch of good college hitters can look like that against a mere college pitcher.....what would it feel like if I could face a major leaguer?  
Yep. And this is one of those things that I think makes golf so difficult. We all KNOW we'd get mowed down by a MLB pitcher. We all KNOW we couldn't spend more than two plays on an NFL field without leaving in traction. We all KNOW that on a court full of NBA players we wouldn't get a shot off and we'd probably end up posterized. But those opportunities are never available to us, so we never have to actually test it.

And then we step onto the first tee of a golf course, perhaps a course where we've seen PGA Tour pros play, using effectively the same equipment as them, and wonder why we "suck" because we can't hit it 300 down the middle all the time like Scheffler :57:

It's the most beautiful game in the world because you have the access to do anything a pro golfer does--and a cruel game because it will show you VERY quickly just how far you are away from them. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 17, 2025, 05:40:38 PM
Well, it was of course naivete on my part, but to some degree I did know I wouldn't be good starting out.  It's just that I thought the parts that would take a long time to get good at would be putting and driving the ball as far as the hotshots do.  I didn't really understand that just hitting the ball in the direction I wanted it to go would be such a hardship. 

I was also used to moving from "know nothing, can do nothing" in sports to some level of ability and proficiency pretty quickly.  I wasn't really cut out for football and never played anything more than neighborhood type games, but I was plenty athletic enough, if not bulky enough.  Basketball and baseball were pretty quick to pick up, though as I mentioned, some aspects of basketball did take more time.  (And here I should point out I never tried my hand at pitching and that might've taken some doing.)

With golf, it was like pulling teeth, and I didn't hardly ever see much progress.  I suppose I just didn't like it enough to push through that.  I also didn't have the money in college for lessons, so, there was that.  I mostly did it because my friends had started doing it (and my dad had taken it up and he let me borrow his clubs).  It was a lot easier and a lot more fun to just go shoot some hoops. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 06:11:44 PM
But that's my point. You sucked at those sports too :57:

The difference is what you're measuring against. 

To play college golf at the Div-1 or Div-2 level, you should be scratch or a little bit better (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-golf/recruiting-guidelines). That means you're REALLY good. 

When you talk about going to play pickup basketball, and thought you were "pretty good", did you think you were somewhere near being a Div-1 or Div-2 basketball player? No, of course not. If you'd been playing against players of that caliber, you'd have learned pretty quickly just how bad you were. You talk about being pesky on defense... Against "hot-shots". Would you have been able to contain, for example, 2024-25 LSU guard Cam Carter, who was "only" an inch taller than you? I doubt it. He shot 42.5% from the field last season (probably low considering about 50% of his shots appear to be 3-pointers). What do you think his shooting percentage would have been if you--at your prime--were guarding him?

A batting percentage of .333 in beer league softball doesn't translate to the majors, as you well know. It might seem like you've achieved "basic competence" in that environment, but it's a sport where you can get away with being terrible because everyone around you is equally terrible. 

The difference is that in playing rec league basketball, or beer league softball, there's nobody there to expose how bad we are. In golf... Physics and the course are MORE than capable of doing so. 

I'm saying that most people who think they were "pretty good" at a sport because they could play well against weak competition are basically the equivalent of the 100+ shooter in golf. They were never as good as they think they were. The difference is they never actually got exposed to how bad they are because they never experienced ELITE competition. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 06:16:02 PM
If you can throw a ball 300 feet, you can throw almost 80 mph.  97 mph gives 400 feet. Not many humans can throw a baseball 300 feet.  I’ve tried to hit 90 mph, the ball hisses at you.  You start thinking about getting hit. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 17, 2025, 06:17:57 PM
I did face the guy who later was the number one draft pivk in HS twice.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 06:59:35 PM
Another way to put it... I've mentioned that back in my day, I did martial arts. I was decent. Made it to 2nd degree black belt when I was 17. Used to have a bunch of trophies from tournament competition. 

But, as I talked about in some thread (maybe this one?), the very thing that soured me on football at a young age was probably one of the things that helped me excel in tournaments. I.e. I was "too big" for my age in football, so I was constantly facing people older and more physically developed than me. But in martial arts, a lot of those tournaments were at age 14-17, when I was towering over every other "junior", so I had a massive size advantage on basically everyone I faced. 

Well, one day I came across a "hot shot". I remember his name. And when I googled him today, his name actually takes you to various hits for his martial arts history--whereas if you google mine, that does NOT come up lol. 

He was younger than me--about a year and a half. He was smaller than me. I can't find his height listed online, but couldn't have been more than 5'9". I hoped to use my reach advantage to keep him far enough away to score on him. 

This dude was lightning. Probably the fastest person I've ever sparred against. And I was pretty used to going against fast guys. One of my favorites was the son of the owner of the karate school. He was a year older than me, tested for his 4th degree when I tested for my 2nd so he was definitely more skilled than me, but I was bigger than him. I loved sparring him because his skill and speed could test me in a way nobody else could. I think he loved sparring me because I--unlike many--wasn't terrified of him. He got the best of me more often than not, of course, but I think I challenged him more than most others could. But for nearly everyone else, I was good enough, and SO goddamn big, that it was not fair. 

I think I scored a point on him in the match. Which just pissed him off because I don't think that happened often. And then I went on to lose 5-1. 

This dude showed me REAL damn quick what elite looks like. I was training VERY hard back in those days. I was good. But nothing I could ever do would make me have what that guy had. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 17, 2025, 07:01:46 PM
And yet... That dude is still basically a nobody. Didn't go to win Olympic medals. Maybe got a couple of mentions in the industry rags for a few years. Maybe made a little name for himself online selling instructional DVDs (back when DVDs were a thing). 

As much as that's what elite looked like to me... There was another tier above him. 
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Post by: MarqHusker on April 17, 2025, 08:28:46 PM
if you don't throw a baseball regularly and hard, long toss, short toss, you're simply not going to do much better than mid 50s.     always love seeing dudes winding their arms up like their gonna get nimble at the speed pitch at the ballpark/county fair.       Cincy's about right on the distance metric equivalent.

I used to catch my younger brother and those balls would hiss.  Hated it when he would throw breaking balls.   he was in peak throwing years when we were at Tiger Stadium in its final year or two and he got that speed pitch clocked in the 80s.     surrounded my much larger meatheads who couldn't break 56.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 17, 2025, 08:38:24 PM
I've been told by golf instructors that throwing (pitcher, QB) makes it easier to learn the golf swing than a good hitter in baseball. Although hockey players apparently take to it quite naturally.

Baseball hitters, as some of you apparently have learned, have a tendency to slice it off the planet...

It's only a slice if you're facing the right way.  Set up about 45 degrees to your left, and it's straight as an arrow!!!
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 17, 2025, 09:17:38 PM
So they ended up doing a destination wedding--Buffalo Trace distillery in Frankfort, Kentucky.

My then-girlfriend (now wife) and I flew out for it, routing in and out of Louisville. We took the redeye, and spent the first night in Louisville, so we had all day to sightsee/etc.

Naturally, one of the places we went was the Louisville Slugger factory. Very cool tour, very good time. But one of the exhibits they had there was a pitching cage with a radar.

 :57:


Frankfort is a state capital that a large percentage of the population doesn't retain beyond their sixth grade geography test on the states and capitals. so a great trick question is "How do you pronounce the capital of Kentucky?" and they'll generally pounce on "Louisville," since that's the first Kentucky city that comes to mind that might be tricky to pronounce. 
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Post by: SFBadger96 on April 17, 2025, 09:52:27 PM
I think most baseball players lead their swing with their shoulders; allegedly golfers lead with their hips. There are a thousand fix-your-slice-quick ideas, none of which are really quick (because all of them require you to retrain yourself). It's all a question of physics. And the physics of a golf swing are different than the physics of a baseball swing. Making things even trickier for baseball--or former baseball--players, in baseball a closed stance hits to the opposite field (right field for a right hander), an open stance to pull the ball (left field for a right hander); in golf, a closed stance is more likely to hook (to the left for a righty), and an open stance is more likely to slice (to the right for a righty). 

And I agree with all of the above: a pro in any sport--any close to somewhat major sport--is way, way, way better than a really good beer leaguer. In golf, it's just you, the course, the sticks, and the ball. And physics tells you how much worse than the pros you are.

I used to work with a guy who was an ATP pro tennis player for a year, and was a hitting partner for one of the all-time great women's players during her prime (a few decades ago). He loves golf--and is very good at it. He also said that the only thing he could think of that would be more boring than being a professional golfer is being a professional tennis player. So much practice doing the same things over and over and over and over and over again.
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Post by: Honestbuckeye on April 18, 2025, 06:24:55 AM
What do you guess you'd shoot on Sunday in the Masters from the champ tees with the crowd?

120?
That’s about right.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 18, 2025, 06:45:07 AM
I think most baseball players lead their swing with their shoulders; allegedly golfers lead with their hips.
The most common coaching we get at fantasy camp is "Stay back".  All of us, nearly, tend to "lunge" at the ball which means we leave most of our power (such as it is) in the box.  The average pitching speed there is probably 60.  Stay back stay back stay back NOW!!!

And I'd say "we" lead with our front leg more than shoulders, at least that is the first move made.  That is one obvious difference with golf of course.  I try and focus on keeping my back "closed" in baseball, stride forward still closed, and then open with everything in the swing.  If that back side opens too early, well, you've lost any power.  Of course, for most of us, the goal is to get it out of the infield and ahead of the OFers.  A few guys can really hit pretty well, I've seen homeruns over the fence twice now, both by former college players now about 35.

The other commonality is to "keep your head down". it tends to fly open in baseball as well.

My pitching coach described the process as akin to a castwheel, you should kind of "spin" off the rubber, driving with your back leg, again not opening up too soon.  It's interesting, to me, how prematurely opening up is such a problem for most of us.  I hear major leaguers get into it at times as well, and of course on off speed pitches, many do it.

If anyone here has a bit of room, take a baseball out (by yourself) and see how far you can heave it (after loosening).  So far as I know, the only way to "warm up" for throwing is ... to throw.  I'm always amazed that major league pitchers warm up in the pen and their first pitch usually is 85+, you can heat the catcher's glove "snap", I used to love that sound.  These guys have probably thrown a bit under the stands, and before the game of course, so they aren't dead cold.

I do think that golf is one game where you can fully appreciate just how far your skills are from a pro when by yourself.  Maybe you try playing from the back tees on a municipal course and imagine the fairway as being a third as wide as it is and the rough being ... rough.

These guys are the elite of the elite of the elite.  It used to be in fantasy camp that we'd play an inning against the former pros, it was pretty amazing to see these guys pick ground balls and pitching (their arms are mostly shot badly now).  They got too old for it apparently and we don't any more.  I recall "batting" off one of our coaches who was still young and I fouled a couple off and he told me later "Enough of this", and he went from BP+ speed to real speed.  The ball sounded angry.  I flailed away.  Not a chance.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 18, 2025, 10:49:47 AM
I just cancelled The Athletic.

https://twitter.com/jessetemple/status/1913237224197365882?s=46&t=NLf0PagvHTrGtAG-YzTBhgDamn (https://twitter.com/jessetemple/status/1913237224197365882?s=46&t=NLf0PagvHTrGtAG-YzTBhgDamn)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 18, 2025, 12:09:42 PM
My wife lived in Fremont, Concord, Walnut Creek and Pleasanton as a little girl.

(https://i.imgur.com/1v4idBC.png)
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Post by: SFBadger96 on April 18, 2025, 12:34:54 PM
And those are in the East Bay, i.e., the "lower cost" part of the Bay Area. The Silicon Valley (Santa Clara) and Peninsula (San Mateo) are even more:
(https://i.imgur.com/lct1t3j.png)
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Post by: utee94 on April 18, 2025, 12:38:27 PM
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 18, 2025, 01:06:35 PM
Those prices are just nuts.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 18, 2025, 01:20:55 PM
Midtown
Midtown is a hot spot for condo buyers, known for its vibrant lifestyle and proximity to cultural attractions. The median price for condos here is approximately $450,000, with units selling quickly due to high demand. Midtown's appeal lies in its lively atmosphere and convenient location, making it a top choice for many buyers.
Buckhead
Buckhead offers luxury condos with top-tier amenities. The average price for a condo in Buckhead is around $550,000. This area is popular among professionals and families seeking upscale living environments. The neighborhood's blend of sophistication and convenience makes it a highly desirable location.

I am surprised to see Buckhead pricier than midtown, maybe it's not so.  A 2 BDR in our building usually is priced around half a mil if they are reasonably updated.  The residential area just to our north is fancier.  Most of these are quite large, 5 BDR plus, and building around 1910-1920, usually upgrade by now of course, some were demolished to build new.


Ansley Park is a popular neighborhood for home buyers who can afford to buy a home in the median price range of $1.68M.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2025, 01:21:43 PM
So, even at the Masters was good for a tie at 29th.  The weather was pretty good this year.  The winner tied at -11.  Two players made the cut and finished at +9. 

I'd guess a real 18 HDCP player playing the back tees but with no audience could shoot in the 90s from the back tees?  He might also shoot 110.
playing from the back tees would be a real challenge for most.......... Masters course measures 7,545 yards with a par of 72
When I was in my late 40s I played from tees at 7,085 yards. that was long. but, I was young and could hit it 300+ with the driver and 200+ with a 5 iron.   I'm now playing 6731 or 6348
There's also a big difference between Pebble Beach setup for the US Open and for normal play by the members.

Was a great experience to play Hazeltine National Golf Club in Chaska, Minnesota, a suburb southwest of Minneapolis the Monday following the 2009 PGA Championship.  Crews were tearing down the bleachers and crows nests and TV camera stands while we played.  Yes, the greens were lightning fast.  We did NOT play the tips/PGA tee boxes.  Probably around 6500-6800 yards, not 7500. I played somewhat conservatively, trying to stay below the hole around the greens to avoid chipping and putting downhill on those slippery SOBs.  I had a "good" day by my standards and shot 90.  I was probably about a 10 handicap at the time.  Playing from the tips at 7500 yards would have killed our group.

the day before "Y.E. Yang" won his first major title, three strokes ahead of runner-up Tiger Woods, a four-time champion. It marked the first time that Woods had failed to win a major he had led after 54 holes.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 18, 2025, 01:22:13 PM
My wife's daughter's house in San Diego is probably 1,000 SF 3 bdr and was a million plus.  They have a nice back yard.  It's in an older working community section, I'd guess the houses sold originally for $10,000 in 1950 or so.

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Post by: Cincydawg on April 18, 2025, 01:23:58 PM
We did NOT play the tips/PGA tee boxes.  Probably around 6500-6800 yards, not 7500. I played somewhat conservatively, trying to stay below the hole around the greens to avoid chipping and putting downhill on those slippery SOBs.  I had a "good" day by my standards and shot 90.  I was probably about a 10 handicap at the time.  Playing from the tips at 7500 yards would have killed our group.
So, if you had a 90 on a decent day, what would it have been from the tips with a crowd watching?  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 18, 2025, 01:30:00 PM
To be fair, nobody would be watching FF on a Friday before he misses the cut.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2025, 01:32:47 PM
108 - add a stroke a hole
the length would bother me more than the crowd
I would have injured a couple spectators fer sure
the gallery does a great job of finding errant golf balls and tramping down the deep rough - so they can be very helpful
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 18, 2025, 01:33:26 PM
I really enjoyed these books, good airplane reads.

(https://i.imgur.com/n7meLh3.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/817e2rj.png)
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Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2025, 01:33:31 PM
To be fair, nobody would be watching FF on a Friday before he misses the cut.
unless I was paired with John Daly
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Post by: SFBadger96 on April 18, 2025, 01:55:35 PM
Those prices are just nuts.
Historical data shows a strong ROI--probably stronger than anywhere else in the country, except--maybe--NYC.
My parents were "nuts" in 1975 when they bought their house for mid-5-figures. It has appreciated more than 60x what they paid for it.
That's one example, but it's not that extraordinary compared to the trajectory of home prices in the area for the last 80 years.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 18, 2025, 01:57:33 PM
What did a house in Walnut Creek cost in the 1960's?
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Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2025, 02:07:43 PM
about 70X less
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Post by: SFBadger96 on April 18, 2025, 02:09:47 PM
I don't know for sure, but probably $25-30K (depending on location/view, etc.). It was likely a little higher than the national average. Some quick googling suggests that's the range.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 18, 2025, 02:14:56 PM
They had 5 kids so it would have been a good size house.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2025, 02:17:27 PM
kids shared bedrooms in the 60s
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 18, 2025, 02:22:50 PM
I don't think they did. They were pretty well off.
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Post by: bayareabadger on April 18, 2025, 02:44:44 PM
And those are in the East Bay, i.e., the "lower cost" part of the Bay Area. The Silicon Valley (Santa Clara) and Peninsula (San Mateo) are even more:
(https://i.imgur.com/lct1t3j.png)
I wouldn’t necessarily describe it as the “lower cost“ part of the Bay Area. Though it does get j to some interesting convos about composition of places.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on April 18, 2025, 04:37:16 PM
The East Bay includes Piedmont ("Rich Oakland"), Orinda/Lafayette/Moraga, Danville, Alamo, and others--so plenty of expensive zip codes, but relatively speaking, the cities in the east bay have a lower price point than the cities on the Peninsula or in the Silicon Valley--as shown in that chart above. If you include all 9 counties considered in the Bay Area, no, Alameda County isn't the "low cost" area, but of the counties that are right on the Bay (as opposed to the Delta), Marin, San Mateo, and Santa Clara are more expensive than San Francisco, then Alameda, then Contra Costa.
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Post by: MrNubbz on April 18, 2025, 05:21:50 PM
kids shared bedrooms in the 60s
and exchanging blows
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Post by: FearlessF on April 19, 2025, 08:46:44 AM
How crazy is the Global 8000? This new jet can fly up to 8,000 nautical miles between refueling stops or fly up to a top speed of Mach 0.94.

To put that into perspective, the Boeing 747-400 has a Maximum Mach Operating speed (MMO) of Mach 0.92. The bigger 747-800 and the colossal Airbus A380 are also really quick at Mach 0.90. A common Airbus A320? That’ll go about Mach 0.82. How about aircraft in the business space? Well, the Cessna Citation X+ goes Mach 0.935, the Gulfstream G650 flies Mach 0.925, and the HondaJet goes 0.72 Mach.

To be clear here, I’m using Mach for speed because you can’t really just convert Mach into MPH. Mach speed changes with altitude. Theoretically, a plane flying Mach 1.00 exactly at sea level would be traveling 762 mph over the ground. Yet, at an altitude of 40,000 feet, Mach 1.00 equates to 660 mph. All you need to know here is that these planes are really fast.

https://www.theautopian.com/canadas-new-hot-rod-business-jet-is-the-fastest-passenger-plane-in-the-world/ (https://www.theautopian.com/canadas-new-hot-rod-business-jet-is-the-fastest-passenger-plane-in-the-world/)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 19, 2025, 09:08:13 AM
Planes nearly always fly slower than max of course to conserve fuel.  Maybe a private jet wouldn't care.  But imagine a trip of say 6,000 miles, and one jet flies at 600 mph and another at 550 mph, the ten hour trip became just under 11 hours, maybe the extra hour is critical?  Maybe not.

Obviously a biz jet that could fly 1,200 mph makes a big difference.  Duh.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 19, 2025, 10:30:39 AM
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 19, 2025, 04:24:45 PM
Palmetto bugs are a little low.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 19, 2025, 06:15:33 PM
But that's my point. You sucked at those sports too :57:

The difference is what you're measuring against.

When you talk about going to play pickup basketball, and thought you were "pretty good", did you think you were somewhere near being a Div-1 or Div-2 basketball player? No, of course not. If you'd been playing against players of that caliber, you'd have learned pretty quickly just how bad you were. You talk about being pesky on defense... Against "hot-shots". Would you have been able to contain, for example, 2024-25 LSU guard Cam Carter, who was "only" an inch taller than you? I doubt it. He shot 42.5% from the field last season (probably low considering about 50% of his shots appear to be 3-pointers). What do you think his shooting percentage would have been if you--at your prime--were guarding him?

You misunderstand my point.  I said I was used to showing noticeable progress pretty quickly in other sports, and that in golf, I didn't.  How good I objectively was or wasn't is completely beside the point.

The rest of it, you've made some assumptions about me which have some merit, but I was likely better than you're giving me credit for.  For a regular Joe, I was really, really good at basketball, before my health utterly crapped out on me.  When I was an early teen in BR I use to go play in rec leagues with two guys who had played for LSU a decade earlier.  They taught me a ton about moving the ball around and ways to help myself when you're physically inferior.  I have to say, they weren't really any better than a lot of the other non-former-collegiate players who were out there.  All those guys I remember being really good, although that also probably had a lot to do with how young I was compared to all of them.  They were grown men, I was barely a teen.  But I got a good look up close at some guys--albeit, yes, a decade earlier--who were good enough to play for LSU.

After a two-yr stint in Georgia I moved back to another part of Louisiana to finish out high school where I graduated with a guy was very good.  It was a small school so I knew him pretty well, and he got a full ride to McNeese.....not exactly Kentucky or UCLA, but it's a D1 school.  Since that's where I went I stayed in touch with him back then and got to play with some of the other players there too because he brought them to games outside of school (totally against their rules, I'm pretty sure....they used to talk about how pissed their coach would be if he knew they were playing games outside of their prescribed team activities).  My friend was 6'8" and about 230-235....significantly bigger than me.  His teammates were similar.  Make no mistake, those guys were more gifted than me, but they didn't murder me or stop me from scoring or score at will on me, either.  I could play with them, even if I wasn't one of the better players.  Put me out against guys at "LSU" (lol at LSU for an example.....how much suckier could you get?) and the difference likely gets wider.  Put me out against NBA guys, at that point I'd be a real lost cause.  I got close enough to that to have no illusions that that was me.  My friend went undrafted but made a long career for himself in European leagues, playing mostly in Portugal, I think.  After college I lost touch with him and now only ever see him around on Facebook.  

I've recounted here before, I'm pretty sure, about the man I lived next door to, an extraordinarily gifted and athletic basketball player, and how one day when I was using his goal and he was just standing around watching me, he lept like a cat and swatted the ball clear into another yard, doing it several times until I complained it wasn't fair because I was 9 and he was a giant, and he told me "Fair?  What are you gonna do when you grow up and people are still taller than you?  Fair's got nothing to do with it.  Better learn to shoot over me or get around me."  That was an impactful day, although as I said previously, it wasn't until halfway through college that my offensive ability caught up to my defensive capability.  Ball-handling in traffic was by far the part of the game that I had to work the hardest at.  He, btw, routinely beat the hell out of those former LSU players at the rec-league games.  He was something.  I loved watching all his friends come over to his house and play....they were fun to watch even though they didn't usually let me play.

At any rate, in addition to the fact that out of high school I probably couldn't have gotten any scholarships, I had zero interest in sports even if it had been an option.  I was ate up with playing music by then.  But I've been on the court with college players, and it's not correct to say I have no idea what it's like or that I was in a different universe from them.  

Baseball.....is almost certainly much more like you described.  I was good for high school and Regular Joe games/leagues, but I've never played with any college-level players*.  I've never even seen a college ace's pitch up close the way I got to play with some college-level round-ballers.  Even when I was younger I'd have been K'd if for no other reason than I've never been around greatness, regardless of if I even had any talent or not.  I have a cousin in Houston whose kid is in the same class as the kid of MLB ace Nathan Eovaldi, and she knows him on account of that.  I'd never actually ask for this, but I won't lie, I wish I could tell her to see if she could have them over some off-season, invite me, and just have him whiz one by me.......I know it's sick, but I would love to see one of his pitches go hopeless, helplessly by me, just to see if the despair is tangible.  



* I did live down the street from the 3rd baseman of LSU's 1993 CWS team, and I gave him an LSU hat to get signed by as many of his teammates as he could when they won.  I never got that hat back.  Damn him.....stealin' a kid's hat like that.  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 19, 2025, 08:15:23 PM

After a two-yr stint in Georgia I moved back to another part of Louisiana to finish out high school where I graduated with a guy was very good. 
Juvie?  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 19, 2025, 08:18:55 PM
Real athletes might as well be another species.  Normal people like us rarely if ever compete with them and almost never ever with them actually trying.
But that's why pro athletes scoff when asked how many hits they'd give up in 100 pitches or how'd they do in a game of 21 on the court.  
Zeroes.  Nothing.  Nada.  
If they're just dicking around, sure, you'd get a couple of foul-tips off a MLB pitcher.  But with him actually trying and even changing up his pitches?  Goose-egg.
If an NBA player who isn't even a starter played you 1-on-1, you're not scoring.  You're barely getting any shots off.  
They are genetic aliens who also worked their asses off.  That's all there is to it.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 20, 2025, 07:46:19 AM
I played in HS with a guard who went to UNCC and played there all four years.  He indeed worked very hard on bball.  This was before the 3 point line (but after peach baskets), and he averaged 31 a game.  I think I averaged maybe 12, I was hurt and out a third of the season, and still hobbled when I made it back the last 3 games.

It is a treat to see some of these folks perform when it's at a level one can relate.  One of my favorite plays in baseball is when a SS goes arm side deep into the hole and makes the off balance throw to first, on a line.  I have no idea who in MLB (who plays) has the weakest arm, but they probably can still throw 85.  2nd baseman?   That throw from deep short off balance ....

Nearly every former MLB pitcher I know personally has a blown arm, in some cases they can't throw, or won't throw, 60 feet.  That's about 15 guys total I'd guess.  Maybe Mike Hampton can throw a bit, and Chris can still bring it hard, but he's 40.  I blank on his last name.

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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 20, 2025, 08:25:49 AM
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 20, 2025, 12:51:14 PM
Juvie? 

Felt like it.  I did not want to be there.  I have some fond memories of my time there now, but as I recall, at the time I was miserable.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 10:10:09 AM
They are genetic aliens who also worked their asses off.  That's all there is to it.

That part should not be under-appreciated.  When I lived in San Marcos I was on the road a lot for work, but I tried to get into games when I could.  One of the musicians at my church was an grad-assistant or something like that for the Texas State Bobcats basketball team, and he invited me for a shoot-around with them once.....not a serious game, really just having fun.  They were very similar in size (and talent, I'd wager) to the McNeese guys I mentioned.  Thing was, I couldn't keep up with them as well as I had the MSU guys a decade previous.  Why?  Because although I still looked the same, I was nowhere near as active or as in shape as I had been.  I was "only" in my late 20's, which is not young but also not old for NBA players.  Theoretically, I still could have been in a place to not get obliterated by those 19 yr old kids.....but I wasn't.  I simply didn't have the stamina, and they were doing conditioning everyday (in addition to being genetic aliens).  I also found I couldn't jump as high anymore.  Not by much, but it was noticeable to me, and it made a consistent difference.  It was obvious in our goofing-around game that if we'd been serious, they would've smeared me in a way I used to be able to avoid.  I was a bug to them.  A physically inferior, deconditioned, bug.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 21, 2025, 11:14:47 AM
When I was playing baseball in a league in Cincy, one guy on out team was baseball coach for a local HS.  We played them some tuneup games.  We'd win, generally, but man were they fast.  I played third a bit and was used to taking my time making that throw, nope.  Most of our guys were 35ish, I was 40+, and we'd all slowed down, a lot.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 21, 2025, 11:48:58 AM
Saturday we had the heat, today the AC.  
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Post by: FearlessF on April 21, 2025, 11:53:19 AM
I might get 9 holes in late this afternoon - 75 and sunny
Yesterday was 55, rainy, and windy
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 12:22:13 PM
Found out Wednesday last week that we would get Friday off, so we went to my dad's in Louisiana since he was BBQing.  He smoked approximately two tons of chicken, pork chops, hamburgers, and sausage.  With all the sides his wife made, I actually didn't even get to sample everything. 

So we had to bag up a good amount of leftovers to take home with us, and worked our way through it the rest of the weekend :)


I really need to start smoking more hamburgers because I absolutely love them.  I just hate doing all the grill cleanup for a few patties that only me and the missus will eat.  I know they could be frozen and I could do more, but I don't know how good they'd be.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 21, 2025, 12:31:44 PM
How does one smoke hamburgers?
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 12:47:55 PM
How does one smoke hamburgers?

What do you mean?  Not sure what you're asking. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 21, 2025, 12:52:19 PM
I have never heard of smoking hamburgers, so I'm asking for some detail about how it's done.  Is it akin to smoking ribs?  That doesn't sound good to me.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 21, 2025, 12:59:42 PM
I really need to start smoking more hamburgers because I absolutely love them.  I just hate doing all the grill cleanup for a few patties that only me and the missus will eat.  I know they could be frozen and I could do more, but I don't know how good they'd be. 
This is one thing I miss about getting rid of my Traeger and not having a gas grill. The "I'm just gonna make something for the wife and I" and just want to be able to press a button and turn something on. 

That said, the small kamado works well for this. It's a bit of a pain to set up and light, but I've done it so many times that it doesn't bother me much any more. And there's always the Blackstone as well. That's good for burgers (just did them with the kids Friday) and you get a nice crust. And then I can always do it inside on the stove in cast iron--but that's much more of a mess than dealing with the grill!
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 01:10:59 PM
I have never heard of smoking hamburgers, so I'm asking for some detail about how it's done.  Is it akin to smoking ribs?  That doesn't sound good to me.

You just flavor some ground beef however you want, shape it into a patty that fits a bun, and throw it on the grill.  Smoked hamburger patties are amazing.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 01:16:00 PM
This is one thing I miss about getting rid of my Traeger and not having a gas grill. The "I'm just gonna make something for the wife and I" and just want to be able to press a button and turn something on.

That said, the small kamado works well for this. It's a bit of a pain to set up and light, but I've done it so many times that it doesn't bother me much any more. And there's always the Blackstone as well. That's good for burgers (just did them with the kids Friday) and you get a nice crust. And then I can always do it inside on the stove in cast iron--but that's much more of a mess than dealing with the grill!

What kind of kamado do you have?  Is that the thing you said infuses meat with more smoke flavor than a grill?
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 21, 2025, 01:21:52 PM
You just flavor some ground beef however you want, shape it into a patty that fits a bun, and throw it on the grill.  Smoked hamburger patties are amazing. 
Ok, I would have called that grilling rather than smoking, which ot me is very different.  Grilling is very high heat, smoking is very low heat, to me.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 01:44:17 PM
Ok, I would have called that grilling rather than smoking, which ot me is very different.  Grilling is very high heat, smoking is very low heat, to me.

I do my burgers at low heat, for a grill.  Not everybody does it that way, but I do.  I do the lowest my Traeger will go, 180, I think, and do it as slowly as possible.  It doesn't take hours and hours, but I smoke them much longer than if I had a propane grill and I just threw them on for a few minutes. 

I only go higher than 180 if I'm in a hurry, and for burgers, if I'm in a hurry, I wouldn't mess with the smoker anyway.  Hamburger patties are the one thing I'm completely happy with the amount of smoke flavor I wind up with.  Everything else, I could do with a bit stronger.  But as brad and utee have pointed out in the past, I'd probably only be happy with either stick-burner or a kamado.  But burgers absorb it really well. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 01:51:49 PM
btw, that was probably not what I was eating this weekend.  Dad did a LOT of meat and I think he only spent like 3-4 hours on it that morning, total.  I only got there in time to eat and didn't see what temp he was grilling at, but there's no way he was slow cooking. 

Was still impressed with how it all came out, though.  His is a Pit Boss.  Might be a better smoker than my Traeger.  I'd still say, for whatever amount of time he kept the patties on, I could still taste it and it was much better than not having smoked it.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 21, 2025, 02:05:41 PM
I usually go for a lot of the Maillard reaction when grilling meats.

That means highest heat practicable, usually.  I've never tried burgers cooked on low heat.

A buddy of mine boiled his burgers, which I've also never tried, you get a guaranteed 100°C *or a bit less cook temperature.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 21, 2025, 02:47:07 PM
What kind of kamado do you have?  Is that the thing you said infuses meat with more smoke flavor than a grill?
I've got two from the brand Kamado Joe (https://www.kamadojoe.com/). I have the Big Joe and the Joe Jr. Mine are both the first gen models--had the Big Joe since 2014 and I know I got the Joe Jr before I got divorced, so probably 2015. 

I don't know anything about infusing the meat with more smoke flavor... The kamado makes an excellent smoker. IMHO it is better for smoke flavor than a pellet grill like a Traeger, but won't give you as much smoke flavor as an offset stick burner... However there are plenty of great ways to smoke meat... 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 21, 2025, 02:54:22 PM
I do my burgers at low heat, for a grill.  Not everybody does it that way, but I do.  I do the lowest my Traeger will go, 180, I think, and do it as slowly as possible.  It doesn't take hours and hours, but I smoke them much longer than if I had a propane grill and I just threw them on for a few minutes. 

I only go higher than 180 if I'm in a hurry, and for burgers, if I'm in a hurry, I wouldn't mess with the smoker anyway.  Hamburger patties are the one thing I'm completely happy with the amount of smoke flavor I wind up with.  Everything else, I could do with a bit stronger.  But as brad and utee have pointed out in the past, I'd probably only be happy with either stick-burner or a kamado.  But burgers absorb it really well. 
I've never tried smoked burgers... I like that sear/char. The Blackstone is great to sear a burger. The ones I did Friday were my typical patties (~5.5-6 oz) so they're not "smash burgers", but with the Blackstone you get a really nice surface char. 

Otherwise a Kamado is great for that too, because you can get to REALLY hot temps on a kamado that you can't get near on a Traeger, or most typical gas grills. But you can also do that with a Weber kettle, so it's more about the use of charcoal and the ability to get the cooking surface close to the heat than it is anything truly unique to a Kamado. 

A buddy of mine boiled his burgers, which I've also never tried, you get a guaranteed 100°C *or a bit less cook temperature.
Are you sure they were boiled, and not sous vide (https://www.seriouseats.com/sous-vide-burgers-recipe)? I've never done sous vide on a burger personally, but I've heard it can be good. 

But I can't imagine actually cooking one at a full boil... Seems like you'd get a completely overdone, dry, nasty burger, and yet without any of the fun bits that you get when searing. 
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Post by: utee94 on April 21, 2025, 02:54:57 PM
I've smoked skirt steak for fajitas on my offset, it's fantastic.  I've never attempted to smoke a burger.  Interesting thought.

On my very large offset stick-burner it would definitely require a lot of fuel for very little payoff.  I'd probably just smoke a lot of stuff at the same time.  Some sausage, chickens, pork loins, etc.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 21, 2025, 03:00:27 PM
On my very large offset stick-burner it would definitely require a lot of fuel for very little payoff.  I'd probably just smoke a lot of stuff at the same time.  Some sausage, chickens, pork loins, etc.
Well sometimes it just makes sense to set up a day to smoke various things, and on those days the chef deserves a nice good smoked burger for lunch, right?

I've posted before about our brisket grilled cheese (https://www.vindulge.com/brisket-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/) and smoked tomato bisque (https://www.vindulge.com/smoked-tomato-bisque/) meal. It's common that if we don't have any on hand, on a day I'm running the smoker my wife will have me start off smoking tomatoes for the bisque. Just vacuum-seal and freeze them. Defrost whenever you need to make it. 

When I needed to smoke bacon recently, it ended up being an excuse to smoke two flats of tomatoes for bisque (all went in the freezer), smoke bacon for slicing and packaging (all went in the freezer), and then smoke ribs for that day's dinner. It was a good day :72:
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Post by: FearlessF on April 21, 2025, 03:06:08 PM
lots of beer
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Post by: utee94 on April 21, 2025, 03:06:56 PM
lots of beer
:singing:
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 21, 2025, 03:08:53 PM
I assume that it's theoretically possible to operate a smoker without consuming beer...

...but I have no empirical evidence of that. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 03:17:45 PM
I assume that it's theoretically possible to operate a smoker without consuming beer...

...but I have no empirical evidence of that.

Probably like boiling crawfish without beer.  Theoretically, the math checks out.  In reality, why would you try?  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 03:20:31 PM
How does one smoke hamburgers?

I've never tried smoked burgers

I've never attempted to smoke a burger.  Interesting thought.


Apparently I'm a weirdo.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 03:46:19 PM
I often use hickory pellets, and judging by restaurant menus, I thought hickory-smoked burgers were a thing everybody did.  
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Post by: utee94 on April 21, 2025, 03:50:06 PM
I often use hickory pellets, and judging by restaurant menus, I thought hickory-smoked burgers were a thing everybody did. 
Hickory grilled burgers are pretty common.  Mesquite grilled burgers as well.

I think there might be some differences in the way you're using the word "smoked" and the way others do. 
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Post by: FearlessF on April 21, 2025, 03:56:11 PM
he said he was at 180 degrees -  dat ain't grillin
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 04:03:57 PM
Hickory grilled burgers are pretty common.  Mesquite grilled burgers as well.

I think there might be some differences in the way you're using the word "smoked" and the way others do.

Probably....what do I know.

But, though I doubtlessly spend more time on mere burgers than most would want to, I think smoking them for a couple hours is delicious, and the wife and stepson dig it, so there's that.  
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Post by: utee94 on April 21, 2025, 04:05:22 PM
he said he was at 180 degrees -  dat ain't grillin
Two things:

1) The temperature is less important than whether or not the heat is direct vs. indirect.  What he's doing at 180 might be smoking, or it might not be.

2) But that only applies to what he said he's doing himself.  Then he broadened the discussion to restaurants.  Unless you're getting "smoked burgers" at a BBQ-specific restaurant, then it's highly unlikely you're getting an indirect smoked burger at all.  Because normal  burger places might cook over real wood or coals but they're almost certainly not slow-smoking them indirect, because restaurants that aren't BBQ joints don't have the equipment to do so. Hamburger joints don't have smokers, they have grills and/or griddles.

So that's why I'm saying, using the word "smoked" when referring to hickory burgers at a non-BBQ restaurant, is almost certainly incorrect.

Hickory grilled, on the other hand, is fairly common around here and other places I've been.  And mesquite-grilled too.  
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Post by: utee94 on April 21, 2025, 04:15:59 PM
Probably....what do I know.

But, though I doubtlessly spend more time on mere burgers than most would want to, I think smoking them for a couple hours is delicious, and the wife and stepson dig it, so there's that. 

Everything else I just said aside, the idea of slow-smoking a burger is interesting.  I wonder what is the consistency like?  Seems to me that the sear is part of what keeps a hamburger patty together.  If you're just smoking it, does it come out more like meatloaf?  Or some other texture?
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 21, 2025, 05:09:47 PM
Everything else I just said aside, the idea of slow-smoking a burger is interesting.  I wonder what is the consistency like?  Seems to me that the sear is part of what keeps a hamburger patty together.  If you're just smoking it, does it come out more like meatloaf?  Or some other texture?

Not like meatloaf, though definitely tender.  They hold together just fine.  It depends on the percentage of fat in the beef, the higher the fat the more they fall apart.  Mrs. DeL always does the meat, I just throw them on the Traeger.  She's a fat-Nazi.  No fat escapes her preparations.  They have some sear.  Most notable thing to me is how red they are.  Not like meat-thats-not-done red, a different kind of red.  Seems like everything I've done in the Traeger has a reddish tint to it, though, so a patty might not be unique in that regard.  
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Post by: MrNubbz on April 21, 2025, 05:11:05 PM
I assume that it's theoretically possible to operate a smoker without consuming beer...

...but I have no empirical evidence of that.
Don't go pushing the envelope, Buster - stick with what works. A home brewer that won't lift some suds whilst grilling, just might be a sign of the Apocalypse
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 21, 2025, 05:31:04 PM
Not like meatloaf, though definitely tender.  They hold together just fine.  It depends on the percentage of fat in the beef, the higher the fat the more they fall apart.  Mrs. DeL always does the meat, I just throw them on the Traeger.  She's a fat-Nazi.  No fat escapes her preparations.  They have some sear.  Most notable thing to me is how red they are.  Not like meat-thats-not-done red, a different kind of red.  Seems like everything I've done in the Traeger has a reddish tint to it, though, so a patty might not be unique in that regard. 
LOL... Keeping the burgers from falling apart is always my difficulty. And it's due to the fat content.

I take an entire chuck roast, cube it, and run it through the grinder on the coarse setting. (When I'm really fancy I mix ~50/50 chuck roast and brisket point.) So it's fatty. I used to form the patties by hand, but bought a burger press and now I swear by that little sucker. It compresses them JUST enough that they don't fall apart, but makes them super uniform so they don't plump like meatballs when grilled / griddled. 

Part of that is that I actually cook them to at least medium. Generally 145 IT before I put the cheese on. Largely based on the AmazingRibs idea that once you grind something, you've now distributed the dangerous stuff from the surface of the meat all through the insides, so you have to actually cook it through. Yet... When you cook a burger with THAT much fat in it to that temp, it stays absolutely juicy and delicious. 

Can't do that without fat. 

Fat is flavor. 
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Post by: FearlessF on April 21, 2025, 09:17:02 PM
amen - fat is good
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Post by: FearlessF on April 21, 2025, 10:14:55 PM
Duke star Cooper Flagg is headed to the NBA as the favorite to be the No. 1 overall draft pick.

The program announced Flagg's move in a social media post Monday following a lone college season that saw the 18-year-old become only the fourth freshman named as The Associated Press national player of the year while leading the Blue Devils to the Final Four.

Flagg had reclassified to get to Duke a year early, and his decision was expected all year, even as he generally declined to spell out plans about his professional future as the season pushed into March or mentioned how much fun he had playing in college.

“I mean, it's been an incredible year with a really great group of people," Flagg told the AP in March after winning national player of the year.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2025, 07:00:20 AM
In a time when Calories are at a premium, fat indeed is good.  A working man ca. 1900 struggled to maintain weight, usually, so fat was used in a diet of cheaper foods in things like gravy, fried foods, eggs, etc.  Wealthy folk were fat, working folks were slim.  

Fat is a cheap way to infuse flavor, which humans prefer because WAY back every Calorie was a struggle, hunter gatherer days.  The first fat man must have been a novelty, some king or high official in some developing civilization.  Likely it was viewed as a mark of status.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2025, 07:53:41 AM
the discovery of sugar - candies and sweets were luxuries for the wealthy
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2025, 07:57:55 AM
The history of sugar and especially salt is very interesting, I think.  Both were expensive items "back in the day".

I have made a conscious effort to reduce my sugar intake, mostly by not eating dessert (at least not often).  It's almost unavoidable in a modern diet.

I was reading about how humans consume starch in large quantities, from rice, wheat, potatoes, depending on region.  Starch is rapidly converted into glucose, which is a simple sugar of course.  Table sugar is glucose and fructose, the latter I think is pretty bad for us.  HFC 44 actually has slightly less fructose than table sugar.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2025, 08:08:59 AM
We use stevia/truvia.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2025, 08:11:19 AM
I rarely eats sweets and/or desserts - no soda pop
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Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2025, 08:23:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/S1YuyKr.jpeg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2025, 08:44:16 AM
Some apparently Big News around here involves the Soccer World Cup thing, I guess some preliminary rounds will be in MB Stadium.  I don't really get why it's such a big deal, I mean, it's fine with me, but will it really bring in some vast hoard of visitors?

Seems like minor news to me, 420 days ahead of time.  The downtown development is pretty major but not really related, was happening anyway.  This is all being built over existing rail yards west of downtown.

Photos: Where Centennial Yards stands, 420 days before World Cup begins | Urbanize Atlanta (https://atlanta.urbanize.city/post/centennial-yards-gulch-photos-400-days-world-cup-2026)

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Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2025, 08:51:31 AM
it really will bring in a vast hoard of visitors

Kansas City is excited about hosting the event
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Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2025, 08:54:20 AM
World Cup is big.  Very large international crowds.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2025, 08:56:23 AM
it's WAY bigger than SEC football
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2025, 08:59:25 AM
I figure the stadium holds 70K and change, so would it bring in more visitors than stadium capacity?

I can see it's a large event for downtown for a few days or so, but nothing extraordinary, they have conventions routinely.  Maybe I'm missing something.

2026 FIFA World Cup - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup)


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Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2025, 09:08:04 AM
depends on how many teams and how many games
also if Atlanta is a host city for a team to set up a base for practice and then traveling to other games
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2025, 09:16:55 AM
The dates of the Atlanta group stage matches will be June 15, 18, 21, 24 and 27. The round of 32 match will be July 1, the round of 16 on July 7 and the semifinal will take place July 15.
The FIFA World Cup 2026™ tournament draw will take place in December 2025. At that time, specific teams and matchups for Atlanta will be announced.
FIFA World Cup 2026™ will be the biggest sporting event in history, with 48 teams participating in 104 matches across 16 cities in North America. The event will feature a new tournament format while keeping the exciting 4-team group stage phase to ensure the ultimate football spectacle. The Opening Match will take place in Mexico City on June 11 and the Final Match will be held in New York/New Jersey on July 19.


FIFA World Cup 2026™ will bring an economic boom to the region. In addition to the hundreds of thousands of fans who will descend on the city for the events, multiple locations in the region could also become official training sites for teams as they prepare.  An impact analysis by the Boston Consulting Group during the initial bid process in 2017-18 found that the FIFA World Cup 2026™ is forecasted to contribute $5 billion in new economic activity. Of that, $415 million alone is estimated in net economic benefit for Atlanta.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2025, 09:19:49 AM
I figure the stadium holds 70K and change, so would it bring in more visitors than stadium capacity?

I can see it's a large event for downtown for a few days or so, but nothing extraordinary, they have conventions routinely.  Maybe I'm missing something.

2026 FIFA World Cup - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup)



When Chicago was a host back in 1996 it was said that more than 2 million people came to visit. Most did not gain attendance at Soldier Field.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 22, 2025, 09:20:11 AM
you might want to take an extended vacation and rent out your condo for that event
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2025, 09:22:24 AM
you might want to take an extended vacation and rent out your condo for that event
I could have gotten as much as $50K for my house, which was 40 miles away from the stadium back in the day, but an easy train ride.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2025, 09:48:38 AM
I was thinking of it as akin to a Super Bowl, but it's more akin to 8 of them apparently, so yeah, I get it now.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2025, 10:42:46 AM
Never heard of Crystal. Louisiana? The love Tabasco but everyone around them loves Louisiana. Huh. And Iowa is smart.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ekp0lAp.png)
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Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2025, 10:46:34 AM
Crystal is another Louisiana-based hot sauce, made in New Orleans.

Pretty much every cajun place down here will have all three of these on the table: Tabasco, Crystal, Louisiana.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2025, 10:55:11 AM
Interesting.  I primarily have Tabasco green and Frank's aside from some Asian things.  The chili pepper of course is not indigenous to Asia.

My wife cannot abide spiciness beyond a minimal level, she is getting slightly more adventurous.  She likes my "chili" but I toned down the chili powder a lot.  She likes Indian and Thai but obviously the milder versions, north India etc.

The European foods by and large eschew chili/"hot" sauce, I know in Spain one can start to find spicy foods, a bit.  Some Thai dishes I've had here have lit me up, never again.

The history of "spice" is pretty interesting I think.

 
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Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2025, 10:59:29 AM
I tend to prefer the Mexican hot sauces.  Cholula, Valentina.  But I'm okay with throwing some Tobasco or Crystal or Louisiana on some cajun food if that's what's on offer.

I like sriracha with Vietnamese food.  A combination of sriracha and hoison is great for pho, bun, and banh mi.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 22, 2025, 11:06:03 AM
My wife cannot abide spiciness beyond a minimal level, she is getting slightly more adventurous.  She likes my "chili" but I toned down the chili powder a lot.  She likes Indian and Thai but obviously the milder versions, north India etc.
Mine is similar. Doesn't really tolerate much spice. She absolutely couldn't eat utee's brisket enchiladas. She made popcorn for dinner after one/two bites when I made them :57:

The kids like spicy, but they don't have the same tolerance I do. 

I tend to prefer the Mexican hot sauces.  Cholula, Valentina.  But I'm okay with throwing some Tobasco or Crystal or Louisiana on some cajun food if that's what's on offer.

I like sriracha with Vietnamese food.  A combination of sriracha and hoison is great for pho, bun, and banh mi.

Cholula and Tapatio are the mainstays here. I haven't heard of Valentina. Not a huge fan of tabasco--it's just like straight spicy vinegar. 

Sriracha is also very common here, as you'd expect given that we have a neighborhood not far away known as "Little Saigon" in north OC, and Huy Fong foods is local to LA. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2025, 11:11:22 AM
I have a lot of hot sauces in my arsenal, including Frank's and Sriracha. 
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Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2025, 11:21:45 AM
Man my enchilada chile gravy isn't even what I would classify as a 1 on a 1-10 scale.  My son loves spicy food but my daughter has a pretty low tolerance for it, and she eats the enchiladas just fine.

Valentina is pretty common around here and honestly I'd expect it to be pretty common in SoCal since it's made in Guadalajara.  But Tapatio is similar and is actually a California-based hot sauce company so that probably explains its popularity there.  I see it around here as well but Cholula and Valentina are more common.

And I agree on the vinegary-ness of the Louisiana style hot sauces.  That's one reason I prefer the Mexican ones.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 22, 2025, 11:23:14 AM
Never heard of Crystal. Louisiana? The love Tabasco but everyone around them loves Louisiana. Huh. And Iowa is smart.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ekp0lAp.png)

Lolz......Louisiana is Tabasco (undoubtedly accurate), Texas and all states surrounding Louisiana are Louisiana hot sauce, and then the Carolinas and Georgia have TEXAS Pete.  Maybe these brands should think about aligning themselves with different states.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 22, 2025, 11:29:45 AM
Mine is similar. Doesn't really tolerate much spice. She absolutely couldn't eat utee's brisket enchiladas. She made popcorn for dinner after one/two bites when I made them

The kids like spicy, but they don't have the same tolerance I do.

We run into a similar problem with my stepson's gf who often comes over to eat with us.  She has a low threshold for spice compared to my wife and stepson, who in turn have a bit lower threshold than I do.  

The boys tell us their Venzuelan stepmom is exceedingly averse to spice.  Like, she can't tolerate it at all.  I wonder if that's just her or if Venzuelan cuisine just isn't spicy.  

I can't remember if I ever had utee's brisket enchiladas at one of his tailgates, which I used to frequent, or if they were spicy or not if I did eat them.  But I bet they were delicious and I'd help myself to a generous portion, should they be on offer :)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 22, 2025, 11:32:33 AM
Man my enchilada chile gravy isn't even what I would classify as a 1 on a 1-10 scale.  My son loves spicy food but my daughter has a pretty low tolerance for it, and she eats the enchiladas just fine.
Maybe I did something wrong when I made it, then... I considered it pretty hot myself, and I've got a pretty strong tolerance. As soon as I tasted it, I knew it would blow her taste buds out of the water. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 22, 2025, 11:39:33 AM
I ordered some Crystal just to say I have it.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 22, 2025, 11:50:31 AM
I ordered some Crystal just to say I have it.

Honestly not sure I've ever had any of the others listed besides Tobasco and Louisiana.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2025, 11:58:33 AM
Maybe I did something wrong when I made it, then... I considered it pretty hot myself, and I've got a pretty strong tolerance. As soon as I tasted it, I knew it would blow her taste buds out of the water.

Well if you made it from reconstituted whole dried chile peppers then it depends on the blend of chiles you use.  I only use a few of the spiciest ones like chiles de arbol.  The bulk is ancho (dried smoked poblano) and guajillo.  Sometimes I'll use some red New Mexican dried chiles (like Hatch) but those aren't all that spicy either.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 22, 2025, 09:45:44 PM
I ordered some Crystal just to say I have it.
Never heard of it.
Tabasco is a classic, but I don't like putting a lot of it on anything.
Louisiana Hot Sauce you can do that with.  
I've seen plenty of Texas Pete's around, but idk if I've ever actually used it.  
That Frank's Hot Sauce is weaker, so you can slather stuff in it if you want.
Tapatio is too spicy for me.  
Chalula is good....it's where I'd pinpoint the tipping point for the masses as too spicy/just spicy enough.  But I could be wrong.

I'm on the lower third of spiciness level....I just hate when something's so spicy it's just not GOOD anymore.  I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just want to enjoy my food.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: iahawk15 on April 22, 2025, 10:38:27 PM
It's not apples-to-apples for a hot sauce comparison, but I'm always using sambol if it fits the application.

For Mexican food, I like Trader Joe's dragon sauce (green).

Wings or wing dip, Franks.

My wife is on Cholula right now.

We also have Sriracha, but I don't use it much.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 23, 2025, 01:05:28 AM
Sriracha is a lil too much for me.  But I'm a pansy with spice.

I find it funny that people use Frank's Hot Sauce on wings, but Frank's also makes a buffalo wing sauce.
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Post by: Riffraft on April 23, 2025, 05:53:28 AM
I love hot sauce the hotter the better.   I have Frank's, Cholula, Sriracha, Tabasco, a couple of local made hot sauces, One called three kings made with ghost, reaper and scorpion peppers and a Prickly pear hot sauce.  I probably have a number of other bottles of something or other I have picked up here and there.  One of my kids gave me a hot sauce making kit for christmas, been fun experimenting with different favorites and heat levels. 

I do love the heat, but also love flavor.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 07:14:25 AM
My boss in grad school would scrounge the building for chemicals and store them in a closet near our lab.  He found a 5 kg bottle of caffeine for example in powder form, that was useful at night for me.  He also had a smaller bottle of capsacin, which I ignorantly sniffed the lid of once, never again.  If you want heat, just get capsacin.  

I like modest heat with a lot of flavor.

Interestingly, capsacin is a fairly potent topical analgesic.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2025, 08:08:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/SHgPYoU.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2025, 08:24:15 AM
better strap down those bags
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: iahawk15 on April 23, 2025, 08:56:54 AM
Sriracha is a lil too much for me.  But I'm a pansy with spice.

I find it funny that people use Frank's Hot Sauce on wings, but Frank's also makes a buffalo wing sauce.
I personally don't buy Frank's wing sauce because I already own butter and I'm capable of mixing Frank's and butter together.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2025, 09:04:13 AM
I like Sweet Baby Ray's wing sauce.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2025, 09:08:23 AM
speaking of wings and sauces........
was in the Coralville BWWs last night - BOGO traditional wings - so, 6 mango habanero & 6 spicy garlic
tots with desert heat dry rub  or whatever
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 09:08:26 AM
I used to grill wings way back, but I don't like eating wings, so I started grilling chicken legs instead.  People really like them, and they are cheaper per pound of edible meat.

I soak them in Franks and melted butter and grill them.  Now I'm hungry.

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Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2025, 09:44:41 AM
I like Sweet Baby Ray's wing sauce.
Never had that but I've had their BBQ sauce which is truly terrible.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2025, 09:46:59 AM
and it's very inexpensive
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2025, 09:48:55 AM
Never had that but I've had their BBQ sauce which is truly terrible.
It's too sweet. I refuse to buy it even though my wife used to like it.

Right now, I have Rendezvous and Rudy's in my fridge.
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Post by: jgvol on April 23, 2025, 10:53:14 AM
BWW bottles and sells their wing sauces now in the grocery.

Spicy Garlic FTW.
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Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2025, 10:59:32 AM
It's too sweet. I refuse to buy it even though my wife used to like it.

Right now, I have Rendezvous and Rudy's in my fridge.
Yeah Rudy's "sause" is good.  It's as close to a Central Texas BBQ sauce as you're going to find on the shelves of supermarkets.

I don't recall Rendezvous sauce.  Overall I was underwhelmed with their ribs when I visited.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on April 23, 2025, 11:02:18 AM
Yeah Rudy's "sause" is good.  It's as close to a Central Texas BBQ sauce as you're going to find on the shelves of supermarkets.

I don't recall Rendezvous sauce.  Overall I was underwhelmed with their ribs when I visited.


They've gone down the crapper.  20 years ago it was a good thing.  30 years ago it was the best.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2025, 11:12:06 AM
I didn't care for the ribs, but the sauce was great.

A friend picked up Rudy's for me while in Austin.

I liked RuBy's better but they are history.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 11:25:19 AM
I much prefer dry ribs, I find "wet ribs" are all sauce, they taste like a McRib.

Well, not usually.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 23, 2025, 11:27:13 AM
y'all would be culture shocked to enter a BBQ joint in eastern NC... they base off vinegar.  pulled pork in vinegar and tabasco or texas pete... or some variation thereof... the thing is, it isn't bad at all- it's actually pretty dang good- but it isn't and shouldn't be called BBQ by my reckoning (and I'll be careful entering public for saying that the next few weeks just in case anyone around here sees this)... 

there is something primal and pleasing about tossing a piglet, gutted and cleaned but skin and all, on a grill that has an axle and a 2" ball receiver tongue- cooking it low and slow for up to 30 hours- dousing it with vinegar and hot sauce every hour- and then picking up a leg and the bone falling out... then shredding it in a mixture of more vinegar and hot sauce.... serving it with coleslaw and homemade macaroni with a chunk of cornbread and serving spoon or two of green beans... or collards... and i don't approve one bit of collards... it's the 'feed a lot of people quick and easy' thing for the warmer months... it flips over to low country boils in the cooler months- which is a massive pot poured out on a table and served on paper as you grab what you like... in the winter it's Brunswick stew- which is difficult to make properly- made in a huge pot or even a barrel, the oar used to stir it mush stand on it's own for it to be considered proper, and there can be zero scorch... that isn't easy to do i'm told- and people here love it... i don't.. i'll eat it, but won't seek it out.  

the very best of the best local meal has been stolen and extorted from this area and far ranging distortions are offered worldwide... which is shrimp and grits.  when done properly, they are incredible.  the best of the best are at Chelsea's in New Bern NC.  They add an ingredient that i can almost identify but haven't nailed down yet, and they aren't sharing what it is.... 

back home it was hotdogs and burgers... there isn't really a meal that represents the area, and that's a shame... well, unless it was ramps... and i don't eat those things... they used to have a festival when i was a kid, and right at the start of school--- the kids that attended and ate those things were excused for three days until the smell dissipated... they're a wild onion of sorts that grow underground and pigs used to be used to find them.  Other than that, I can't think of a single meal that represents that area of Appalachia. 

Memphis BBQ, StLouis BBQ, Texas BBQ... fried seafood on the coast of the carolina's and into fla... seafood with an italian  flavor from VA north until Mass, then it turns to a British Scottish derived thing... i don't know what georgia is known for, but there is a decided Creole influence heading through bama, mississippi and Louisiana... jump texas and including texas and the SW spanish influence emerges, no?  I really like that... i WILL go out of my way for a street taco done authentically- there are migrant workers here who's wives serve them out of their vans at work sites at lunch... and that for dang sure isn't below me.  

question:  If you broke the nation down in regions divided by the influence of foods (traditional), what would be on your MUST HAVE list? 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 23, 2025, 11:28:38 AM
I much prefer dry ribs, I find "wet ribs" are all sauce, they taste like a McRib.

Well, not usually.


to me, either beef or pork ribs are the measure of a persons skill of smoking... and a bath of sauce is just hiding their lack of ability to make them right.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2025, 11:28:49 AM
They've gone down the crapper.  20 years ago it was a good thing.  30 years ago it was the best.
My visit was 25 years ago.  I just don't like their style of BBQ all that much.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 11:32:59 AM
y'all would be culture shocked to enter a BBQ joint in eastern NC... they base off vinegar.  pulled pork in vinegar and tabasco or texas pete... or some variation thereof... the thing is, it isn't bad at all- it's actually pretty dang good- but it isn't and shouldn't be called BBQ by my reckoning (and I'll be careful entering public for saying that the next few weeks just in case anyone around here sees this)...
I call it BBQ because it's slow cooked with an offset fire.  It is very differcent.  When I first moved to NC, I thought it was awful, then I got to liking it.  It reminds me of Cincy chili in that sense, your first experience is likely to be "WHAT THE HECK IS THIS????" and then perhaps you try it again and start to like it, maybe.

A lot of places here serve pulled pork as is and you add your own sauce, and they may provide mustard based, vinegar based, and then two tomato based, mild and hot.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2025, 11:35:18 AM
I much prefer dry ribs, I find "wet ribs" are all sauce, they taste like a McRib.

Well, not usually.


Oh yeah, I don't bother with wet ribs.  McRib is the appropriate comparison.

to me, either beef or pork ribs are the measure of a persons skill of smoking... and a bath of sauce is just hiding their lack of ability to make them right. 
Word up, I absolutely agree on not needing a bath of sauce.  A simple rub, smoke, and time.  That's all it takes.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 23, 2025, 11:35:57 AM
but it isn't and shouldn't be called BBQ by my reckoning 

cooking it low and slow for up to 30 hours
I don't know how something cooked low and slow on a spit over a fire would not be called BBQ?

I mean, there are a lot of different types of BBQ. I get how BBQ fanatics get annoyed by people claiming they'll be "having a BBQ" and yet they're just throwing burgers and hot dogs on a grill. 

But in any possible definition within the panoply of things that can legitimately be called "BBQ", whole hog slow-cooked over a spit fits. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 11:40:11 AM
They offered "ribs" on the cruise ship and I tried them with predictable results.

The famous place in Cincinnati for ribs is called "Montgomery Rib", because the original is in Montgomery, Ohio, and the owner is known as the Rib King.  The ribs come slathered in sauce, and you can buy their sauce in stores even here.  It's pretty traditional sauce in my opinion.  

The Original in The Village of Montgomery | Hours + Location | Montgomery Inn (https://www.montgomeryinn.com/location/montgomery-inn-the-original/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwn6LABhBSEiwAsNJrjjXEkPmBZrtVDT4BZUlzhVk0t4Q90eMyA-rjiEyWfDr015vOsmzctxoCWCsQAvD_BwE)

(https://i.imgur.com/qmCiRjH.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Drew4UTk on April 23, 2025, 11:45:11 AM
it's actually NOT called BBQ around here, it's properly called a Pig Pickin... because that's literally how it's done.... the pig is picked apart either by someone preparing it as such and serving it on platters or bowls, or if it's straight up traditional- tongs or a big fork and knife are used to rip it away from the carcass and torn up with a fork as the sauce is introduced.  hushpuppies are often served with it instead of cornbread... the further west you head the less common the hushpuppies are. 

others are the one who called it NC BBQ... 

if i called it a pig picken to someone from your neighborhood 20 years ago, they'd ask "whuh?".... though it's more known what that's all about, now.  If someone around here says BBQ, I expect they're speaking of smoking... if they say "grilling", that's your average steak or burger event. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 23, 2025, 11:45:46 AM
y'all would be culture shocked to enter a BBQ joint in eastern NC... they base off vinegar.  pulled pork in vinegar and tabasco or texas pete... or some variation thereof... the thing is, it isn't bad at all- it's actually pretty dang good- but it isn't and shouldn't be called BBQ by my reckoning (and I'll be careful entering public for saying that the next few weeks just in case anyone around here sees this)...

there is something primal and pleasing about tossing a piglet, gutted and cleaned but skin and all, on a grill that has an axle and a 2" ball receiver tongue- cooking it low and slow for up to 30 hours- dousing it with vinegar and hot sauce every hour- and then picking up a leg and the bone falling out... then shredding it in a mixture of more vinegar and hot sauce.... serving it with coleslaw and homemade macaroni with a chunk of cornbread and serving spoon or two of green beans... or collards... and i don't approve one bit of collards... it's the 'feed a lot of people quick and easy' thing for the warmer months... it flips over to low country boils in the cooler months- which is a massive pot poured out on a table and served on paper as you grab what you like... in the winter it's Brunswick stew- which is difficult to make properly- made in a huge pot or even a barrel, the oar used to stir it mush stand on it's own for it to be considered proper, and there can be zero scorch... that isn't easy to do i'm told- and people here love it... i don't.. i'll eat it, but won't seek it out. 

the very best of the best local meal has been stolen and extorted from this area and far ranging distortions are offered worldwide... which is shrimp and grits.  when done properly, they are incredible.  the best of the best are at Chelsea's in New Bern NC.  They add an ingredient that i can almost identify but haven't nailed down yet, and they aren't sharing what it is....

back home it was hotdogs and burgers... there isn't really a meal that represents the area, and that's a shame... well, unless it was ramps... and i don't eat those things... they used to have a festival when i was a kid, and right at the start of school--- the kids that attended and ate those things were excused for three days until the smell dissipated... they're a wild onion of sorts that grow underground and pigs used to be used to find them.  Other than that, I can't think of a single meal that represents that area of Appalachia.

Memphis BBQ, StLouis BBQ, Texas BBQ... fried seafood on the coast of the carolina's and into fla... seafood with an italian  flavor from VA north until Mass, then it turns to a British Scottish derived thing... i don't know what georgia is known for, but there is a decided Creole influence heading through bama, mississippi and Louisiana... jump texas and including texas and the SW spanish influence emerges, no?  I really like that... i WILL go out of my way for a street taco done authentically- there are migrant workers here who's wives serve them out of their vans at work sites at lunch... and that for dang sure isn't below me. 

question:  If you broke the nation down in regions divided by the influence of foods (traditional), what would be on your MUST HAVE list?
I've been there and had it. Edenton.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 11:50:26 AM
There is also a "pig pickin' cake", which is quite excellent.  A lady in Cincy once insisted on making me a birthday cake and wanted to know what kind, so I said "pig pickin'".

She made the best PP cake I'd ever had, and I've had a few.  Internet.  She was a good cook too.

But I always called eastern Carolina pork BBQ, and the joints BBQ joints.  This was my favorite place back in the day, in Durham.

Bullock's BBQ (https://www.bullocks-bbq.com/)

(https://i.imgur.com/RIGqN30.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 23, 2025, 12:05:07 PM
My boss in grad school would scrounge the building for chemicals and store them in a closet near our lab.  He found a 5 kg bottle of caffeine for example in powder form, that was useful at night for me.  He also had a smaller bottle of capsacin, which I ignorantly sniffed the lid of once, never again.  If you want heat, just get capsacin. 

I like modest heat with a lot of flavor.

Interestingly, capsacin is a fairly potent topical analgesic. 

I've used capsacin patches many times before.  I didn't know you could eat it.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 12:09:36 PM
I've used capsacin patches many times before.  I didn't know you could eat it. 
Capsaicin is the component in peppers that makes then hot.  In pure form, it is raging hot, lethally so in some cases depending on dose.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 23, 2025, 12:17:14 PM
Yeah, you CAN eat it... But please don't :57:
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 23, 2025, 12:26:35 PM
Louisiana Hot Sauce > Tobasco

Slap Ya Mama > Tony Chachere's



They can take my Louisiana card, but they can never take my enjoyment of seasoning.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2025, 04:50:38 PM
I like the Tony Chachere's seasoning salt
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2025, 06:16:18 PM
My wife has 50+ salt variations in the spice cabinet.  She swears by sea salt, I don't.  To me, the dominant flavor in ANY salt is ... NaCl.  If you want some other nuance, just add that.

I mostly use garlic and "Italian spices", a blend of stuff, salt, pepper, chili powder in chili, etc.  I throw in some Indian stuff with soup.

Pure capsaicin would make pretty good crowd control stuff.  I know of a few compounds that would.  

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2025, 10:27:38 PM
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Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 24, 2025, 09:50:04 AM
Broussard, huh?

Attendees better check that their Google Translate apps can decipher Ed Orgeron, because it's not gonna get any easier at that cookoff.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 24, 2025, 09:58:39 AM
I enjoy the StaleKracker - funny dude

https://youtu.be/PE46nbpZ-lk
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2025, 10:06:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/cDAtSyI.jpeg)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 24, 2025, 03:38:56 PM
In other news......

never forget, Mitch Hedberg was hilarious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_XbtYfrNYI
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on April 24, 2025, 03:42:05 PM
Makes me wish I was up there today.

Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ChiCulinaryKitchen)

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Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 25, 2025, 09:08:23 AM
I've seen two Waymo cars here now with no driver (or passenger).  I used to see them with a driver (not driving).  I chatted with one of them while he "gassed them" up at our Kroger (EV station).  My wife asked how they read traffic lights.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2025, 09:23:42 AM
I've seen two Waymo cars here now with no driver (or passenger).  I used to see them with a driver (not driving).  I chatted with one of them while he "gassed them" up at our Kroger (EV station).  My wife asked how they read traffic lights.


Cameras and compute power to detect and run algorithms.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2025, 09:26:31 AM
A couple of weeks ago a couple of girls got stuck in a Waymo when it decided to stop on the side of a busy freeway.  It wouldn't let them out because they hadn't reached their destination.  They called tech support from inside the vehicle to see if they could either get it to get moving again, or to open the doors.  It took the tech over 5 minutes to figure out how to free them.  And then they had to walk along and across the freeway, and presumably to their final destination which wasn't all that far away.

Imma go ahead and keep using vehicles with drivers for a while longer.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 25, 2025, 10:34:30 AM
A couple of weeks ago a couple of girls got stuck in a Waymo when it decided to stop on the side of a busy freeway.  It wouldn't let them out because they hadn't reached their destination.  They called tech support from inside the vehicle to see if they could either get it to get moving again, or to open the doors.  It took the tech over 5 minutes to figure out how to free them.  And then they had to walk along and across the freeway, and presumably to their final destination which wasn't all that far away.

Imma go ahead and keep using vehicles with drivers for a while longer.

People need to realize that the classification algorithms those things are running are capable of hallucination just like LLMs.  They're almost certain to, in fact.  The algorithms are actually very different, but the underlying principle is the same.  The real world is going to trip the training data up at some point, but it's still going to try and spit out an answer, because that's what it does.  

Eventually they'll get so good that it won't matter.  I guess they're not there yet.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 25, 2025, 10:48:49 AM
Waymo reports 250,000 paid robotaxi rides per week in U.S. (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/24/waymo-reports-250000-paid-robotaxi-rides-per-week-in-us.html)

If their error rate is 1 in 250,000, that is pretty good I think.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 25, 2025, 11:41:27 AM
until the 1 is a fatality 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 25, 2025, 12:47:10 PM
until the 1 is a fatality
Well, it's probably (maybe?) still better than that result with humans driving.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2025, 01:00:17 PM
I'm less worried about a fatality and more worried about the fact that tech support for these things is incapable of taking timely action.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2025, 01:07:17 PM
On the flipside, this is really cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7PGrAlPELc
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on April 25, 2025, 01:12:54 PM
I'm less worried about a fatality and more worried about the fact that tech support for these things is incapable of taking timely action.
I'm guessing complete failures are quite rare but will get a lot of attention.  Over time, folks will come to understand your chances of getting "locked in" are remote.  So to speak.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 25, 2025, 01:29:35 PM
Well, it's probably (maybe?) still better than that result with humans driving. 
agreed - I see them every day
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 25, 2025, 04:19:16 PM
Well, it's probably (maybe?) still better than that result with humans driving. 
Down here? Hell yes.

Florida drivers:

Can't see. Can't hear. Can't walk.

LET'S DRIVE!!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 25, 2025, 04:29:07 PM
The issue for autonomy--to me--is liability. 

I'd love an autonomous vehicle. But it's not "autonomous" unless I can be pass-out drunk in the front left seat, my vehicle mows down a line of nuns on their way to mass, and I have ZERO legal liability for it. Anything less than that isn't "autonomous", it's just ADAS. 

That's something that Waymo has. Not that I've used Waymo yet, but just like a driver-operated taxi, it absolves me as a rider from liability. 

Right now I don't know exactly how close Tesla is to that. For their robotaxi they apparently will have to launch with teleoperation capability, which is also the case with Waymo, and which obviously won't scale for a vehicle sold to the mass public.
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Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2025, 04:38:16 PM
Did y'all hear that???  Bwar wants his driverless uber to mow down a line of nuns on their way to mass.

I get it that you're atheistic but man, that's uncool.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 25, 2025, 04:50:58 PM
Did y'all hear that???  Bwar wants his driverless uber to mow down a line of nuns on their way to mass.

I get it that you're atheistic but man, that's uncool.
Listen, I know you profess to be a misanthrope...

...but of late you're no competition. I hate people enough these days that I'm not sure I even like myself. 
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Post by: utee94 on April 25, 2025, 04:55:55 PM
Well if mowing down a line of nuns is nothing more than misanthropy to you, then you've definitely got me beat.

I heard my 17yo daughter echo one of my usual sentiments the other day.  She was frustrated with something going on at school or in band leadership or something, and she said, "I hate people."

I just smiled and hugged her.  That's my girl.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 25, 2025, 05:09:20 PM
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 25, 2025, 06:28:05 PM
Did y'all hear that???  Bwar wants his driverless uber to mow down a line of nuns on their way to mass.

I get it that you're atheistic but man, that's uncool.

Meh....a lot of 17th century Protestants would've wanted it too, probably.  
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Post by: bayareabadger on April 25, 2025, 06:58:21 PM
I'm less worried about a fatality and more worried about the fact that tech support for these things is incapable of taking timely action.


I rode in one. It honestly was pretty cool. It was also a little weird because it drove more safely  than most people.

i’ve heard the biggest issues are that it doesn’t do certain intuitive things and if it were to do something wrong, it doesn’t have certain human characteristics that can help it stop doing that. (The two examples I heard were that it didn’t know out of the way from a fire truck and it also dragged someone at some point because obviously it can’t hear someone screaming)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 25, 2025, 07:53:09 PM
We've used Lyft probably 12 times to the airport, the drivers we've had are  very safey conscious and good drivers.  So far.

I'm OK walking to MARTA, but for foreign flights it's less convenient especially if one has a lot of luggage.  My wife prefers Lyft.  MARTA for us is $2, for both, Lyft is ~$40 with tip.  

She doesn't really like riding on MARTA.
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Post by: jgvol on April 25, 2025, 10:17:43 PM
We've used Lyft probably 12 times to the airport, the drivers we've had are  very safey conscious and good drivers.  So far.

I'm OK walking to MARTA, but for foreign flights it's less convenient especially if one has a lot of luggage.  My wife prefers Lyft.  MARTA for us is $2, for both, Lyft is ~$40 with tip. 

She doesn't really like riding on MARTA.

Saving cash isn’t an inherently female trait.  
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 25, 2025, 10:40:45 PM
Waymo is great.  You just hop in and hang out, enjoy a conversation with your friends.  It's SO much safer than a person.

But yeah, the 0.01% situations flummox them....I was driving in a storm and some red lights were out.  Like blank.  So people are taking turns like a 4-way stop.  The Waymo didn't know what to do.  It wouldn't take its turn.  Made me think it sensed the red light/intersection, but without a flashing light or a normally-operating light, it was stuck.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 26, 2025, 09:17:00 AM
Saving cash isn’t an inherently female trait. 
My wife is actually very conscious of spending money, she often talks me out of it.  In some areas, she does prefer a more expensive option.  The international terminal here isn't directly connected to the MARTA station, so it does make more sense to use Lyft to get there.  If we have large suitcases, if can be cumbersome to walk the 0.8 miles to a MARTA station, and sometimes the weather isn't conducive.

Anyway, we're spending money to fly obviously and the extra $40 isn't usually a large chunk in relative terms.  My neighbor often is able to take us, and in return we schlep him back and forth often as well, it's about 10 miles.  Traffic of course can be unpleasant.
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Post by: jgvol on April 26, 2025, 11:17:15 AM
My wife is actually very conscious of spending money, she often talks me out of it.  In some areas, she does prefer a more expensive option.  The international terminal here isn't directly connected to the MARTA station, so it does make more sense to use Lyft to get there.  If we have large suitcases, if can be cumbersome to walk the 0.8 miles to a MARTA station, and sometimes the weather isn't conducive.

Anyway, we're spending money to fly obviously and the extra $40 isn't usually a large chunk in relative terms.  My neighbor often is able to take us, and in return we schlep him back and forth often as well, it's about 10 miles.  Traffic of course can be unpleasant.

Just taking a jab at the ladies, Cincy.  Calm down.  I would Lyft myself.  Been on MARTA once.  I’m not dragging luggage on there either.  

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Post by: FearlessF on April 26, 2025, 10:17:45 PM
so, yer just stirring the pot??
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2025, 08:27:53 AM
The news reports ATL is jacking up parking rates by a huge amount, like 3x.  Folks are "shocked".  I guess an outer private lot isn't changing as much, but it costs more to park for a two week trip than taking lyft.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2025, 08:53:19 AM
ORD

(https://i.imgur.com/0ZGzNq1.png)
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Post by: MrNubbz on April 27, 2025, 08:55:46 AM
So run out there every hour & leave and pull a u-turn. easy-peasy
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2025, 09:11:12 AM
RSW

(https://i.imgur.com/7eE6oWh.png)

PGD

(https://i.imgur.com/7B1VsSM.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2025, 09:26:17 AM
South/North Hourly Decks
$10 per hour - Used to be $3.
$50 max on Day 1 - $75 daily flat rate thereafter


International Hourly Deck
$10 for the first hour - Used to be $3.
$15 per hour thereafter
$70 max on Day 1 - $100 daily flat rate thereafter


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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2025, 09:42:41 AM
Most airports have crazy pricing for parking.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2025, 09:43:20 AM

It's kind of fun to pick people up from the airport here. 

(https://stuckattheairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/UTAH-ST-GEORGE-Airport-outside.jpg)

You sit atop the hill and watch the plane land, then by the time you pull up to the curbside pickup, they are already walking out the front door luggage in hand. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2025, 09:44:32 AM
It's akin to the hot dog costing $9.69 ate the baseball stadium.  They are a lot cheaper at the football stadium here, only $2, which really is a shocker.



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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2025, 09:45:18 AM
It's kind of fun to pick people up from the airport here.

(https://stuckattheairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/UTAH-ST-GEORGE-Airport-outside.jpg)

You sit atop the hill and watch the plane land, then by the time you pull up to the curbside pickup, they are already walking out the front door luggage in hand.

Where is that?
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2025, 09:49:56 AM
Where is that?
(https://www.thespectrum.com/gcdn/presto/2022/04/15/PSTG/811a5b52-2145-41c2-b53d-b19acb443e0f-IMG_9167.JPG?crop=5999,3375,x0,y305&width=1600&height=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 27, 2025, 10:06:24 AM
Where is that?
Now, it's Augusta.

(https://i.imgur.com/OLW78d0.jpeg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2025, 10:07:23 AM
I recall once flying into Savannah and walking a short distance outside to the rental car lot, and getting my car quickly and easily.  Smaller airports are nicer for obvious reasons, maybe with a few exceptions where they are decrepit.

San Diego is OK except the bus to the rental car place is a pretty long ride.  

I posted recently the price to take a train from here to New Orleans, it was ridiculous, I can't believe anyone actually does it.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2025, 10:23:12 AM
I have a friend who is deathly afraid to fly.
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Post by: utee94 on April 27, 2025, 10:28:50 AM
I really dislike flying.  A couple of gin and tonics helps but I still don't ever enjoy it.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 27, 2025, 10:32:19 AM
I really dislike flying.  A couple of gin and tonics helps but I still don't ever enjoy it.


You just need to watch a good plane movie. 


(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/flmodRnJbDo/sddefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCIAFEOAD8quKqQMa8AEB-AGMBYAC4AOKAgwIABABGDggVCh_MA8=&rs=AOn4CLBqVB6Whs1A3wjBpMPDMYg0rG07Yg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2025, 10:37:20 AM
I certainly don't enjoy flying commercially, I doubt many do.  The long flights are pretty brutal, and even a 4 hour flight in first class is not something to enjoy.

I was more nervous about flying before I got my own license mostly because it helped me appreciate how much training pilots go through.  Everything today is pretty automated anyway except landing and takeoff.  I also have a pretty fatalistic attitude about it.  We're going to fly a fair bit to travel, and if something happens, well, it'll be quick.

We were on a flight to Seattle a while back one a plane that had come in from Brazil and had the "Delta One" seats up front, i did have some fun playing around with all the gadgets.  Those would be nice for transAtlantic flights, but not when they charge $7,000 per.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 27, 2025, 10:44:33 AM
Sometimes I wish I still had this. Yes, that's me piloting.

(https://i.imgur.com/jdpjgne.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 27, 2025, 10:46:29 AM
$100 burgers.

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Post by: Cincydawg on April 28, 2025, 11:38:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hmw0nyq.png)
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Post by: utee94 on April 28, 2025, 12:04:40 PM
(https://media.tenor.com/mHSEkbUrvksAAAAM/bait.gif)
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Post by: FearlessF on April 28, 2025, 12:21:19 PM
Ok, friends. Would you rather
A) be given a million (M) dollars
B) flip a coin for a billion (B) dollars
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on April 28, 2025, 12:29:06 PM
Ok, friends. Would you rather
A) be given a million (M) dollars
B) flip a coin for a billion (B) dollars
I'm taking the coin flip. 

Reason: A million dollars would be a REALLY nice thing to make my life more comfortable--but it's not enough to allow me to retire from work, or meaningfully change my consumption habits, outside of maybe going on vacation a little more often. Probably the biggest thing is that it would make it easier to get into a house, by providing not only a sizable down payment, but by reducing the required loan value bringing the monthly mortgage payments in line with sanity, and give me a little cushion on top of that towards retirement. But fundamentally I'd still be going to work, and my wife probably would too. 

A billion is "never have to worry about money or work again, forever" money. 50% chance of that is enough to forego the guaranteed million. 

--------------

That said, there's a number in option A, above $1M but not outlandish, that would make me take option A.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 28, 2025, 12:31:11 PM
At this point I'd go for the Million, so it could hang out with the other ones I have. That last Million is the only reason I'm still working.
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Post by: jgvol on April 28, 2025, 12:33:13 PM
Ok, friends. Would you rather
A) be given a million (M) dollars
B) flip a coin for a billion (B) dollars


I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth --- give me the milly.

While I may not be able to retire today -- it would buy me 5-10 years that I don't have now.  And I'm 50.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 28, 2025, 12:38:10 PM
At this point in my life, a million wouldn't change that much.  A billion would enable me to make a difference, I think, in a few areas by donating most of it.

I'd bet it would turn into a bit of a headache if I started donating larger sums.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 28, 2025, 12:56:41 PM
At this point in my life, a million wouldn't change that much.  A billion would enable me to make a difference, I think, in a few areas by donating most of it.

I'd bet it would turn into a bit of a headache if I started donating larger sums.
I'm a bit similar
I'd hire someone to handle donations - probably my daughter
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 28, 2025, 02:08:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hmw0nyq.png)
How do you rank them?
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Post by: FearlessF on April 28, 2025, 02:30:53 PM
I'm taking the coin flip.

A billion is "never have to worry about money or work again, forever" money. 50% chance of that is enough to forego the guaranteed million.

--------------

That said, there's a number in option A, above $1M but not outlandish, that would make me take option A.
I've never been much of a gambler, cause I don't usually win coin flips.  But, I might take the chance because of my age and my financial position, not really needing the one million.  Absolutely, if the number in option A is 3 million or more, I'm taking the sure thing.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 28, 2025, 02:35:02 PM
I don't need the Million either. I just want it.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 28, 2025, 02:37:32 PM
yup, it would take me from I think I'm comfortable to I KNOW I'm comfortable

might even buy a place on the golf course
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Post by: utee94 on April 28, 2025, 02:37:35 PM
I want the million.  I want the billion, too.  I'll take both.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 28, 2025, 02:47:24 PM
yup, it would take me from I think I'm comfortable to I KNOW I'm comfortable

might even buy a place on the golf course
The house next to me is for sale.
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Post by: Gigem on April 28, 2025, 02:50:05 PM
I’m taking the billion chance. Because, what could I do with $11,000,000 that I can’t do with $10,000,000. 

:)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 28, 2025, 02:53:01 PM
I’m taking the billion chance. Because, what could I do with $11,000,000 that I can’t do with $10,000,000.

:)
Buy this and not feel bad about it.


Used 2022 Pursuit DC 365 Dual Console, 33316 Fort Lauderdale - Boat Trader (https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2022-pursuit-dc-365-dual-console-9714972/)
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 28, 2025, 03:03:24 PM
I want the million.  I want the billion, too.  I'll take both.

You only get that if you pull off the super-rare coin-lands-on-its-side.  
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 28, 2025, 09:58:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hmw0nyq.png)
Actually kind of an odd poster. It omits Skyline, the most recognizable brand affiliated with the dish, in favor of several that are long defunct. Acropolis was the one on UC campus, but it's been gone for the better part of 20 years.

The ones at the bottom where a black and white picture was the best available are probably ones that went belly up right out of the gate, clear back before the 1960s. Some were obviously epic fails. I mean Chili Bowl? Really? The whole city mocks anyone that would even consider having the Cincinnati chili as an actual bowl of chili, and these rubes thought that it would be a good idea to call their Cincinnati chili parlor Chili Bowl? Come on guys, read the room. 

Though I haven't tried it, I'm most amused by Dixie Chili. It's the only "chain" aside from the BIG 2, but they don't have a single location outside of Kentucky. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4zWFsPGdX4

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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 28, 2025, 10:04:41 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4zWFsPGdX4


That's dog food topped with shredded cheese, right?
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 28, 2025, 10:29:20 PM

Mog food, actually. 

(https://media.giphy.com/media/fSvpA9tU8f2tG/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 06:37:13 AM
I think Skyline and Gold Star were omitted because they are large chains.  The rest are single "parlors", a few have 2-3 other outlets, maybe.

We'd go to Blue Ash Chili mainly for various reasons including location.  Folks swear by one or another but they all taste about the same, to me.  I find it interesting that you have such a concentration in Cincy and so few anywhere else, I think there are some dotted around in Florida now, and some in Columbus, Ohio.  But they are everywhere in Cincy.  There was one near where I worked called "Cretan's Rest", which always made me chuckle.

Many or all of the place also feature "double deckers" which are OK.  And of course it's facile to disparage a food item one has never eaten.  I will say most folks won't like it first time they try it.  I didn't.  I didn't like eastern Carolina BBQ when I first encountered it in NC either, it looks pretty weird.  I enjoy a lot of food items today I probably did not like at first, even cheese, I wouldn't eat it at all when I was young.

When we go back, I do try and visit Blue Ash Chili, which now has moved across the street from the original location.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 29, 2025, 06:49:41 AM
Gold Star wasn't omitted, it is on the far right of the second row down. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 07:02:41 AM
I missed it, odd they left Skyline off.  I noticed a White Castle in Orlando across the street from where we stay, that also is an odd Cincy "tradition".   Down south the similar chain is called "Krystal", neither is very good IMHO.  I took my wife to a Krystal a few years back when traveling, maybe it's better now.  Probably not.

I'd call them the worst of any hamburger chain I know of.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 07:19:32 AM
A FB comment relating to (??) a NASA photo of Jupiter:

100% cartoon fakery Jupiter is not a cartoon ball planet Jupiter is a wandering star all our videos. Prove they are lying about Jupiter and what it is and how far it is if you believe this is the real Jupiter, you are dumb down you were programmed you were brainwashed by the Freemasons public school system.

(https://i.imgur.com/bX1xgxC.png)

This composite image shows the planet in X-rays from NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory (purple) and infrared from the Hubble Space Telescope (red, green, and blue).
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Post by: utee94 on April 29, 2025, 07:25:56 AM
Jupiter looks like a flat disc in that image, which means the Earth is also flat.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 07:32:50 AM
I don't hear as much today about groups like the Freemasons, or the Tripartite Commission, or Club of Rome, or whatever.  I think 'we' focused more on how the other political party is the source of all our ills.  I tend to agree with both sides of that equation.

Well, and billionaires of course.  They bad.

Not OUR billionaires, but theirs are all bad.  Ours are nice folks.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2025, 08:14:20 AM
Gold Star wasn't omitted, it is on the far right of the second row down.
doesn't it say "Skyline" left column 2nd from the bottom?
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 08:17:54 AM
Yes it does, it is kind of blurry, and it's early, my bad.

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Post by: Gigem on April 29, 2025, 10:22:29 AM
We spend an inordinate time discussing chili on this board.  Strange, but true.  
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Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2025, 10:23:46 AM
well, we're not discussing chili this morning - but I agree
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 10:42:51 AM
I probably told this tale before here, but my first evening in Cincy I had driven up from Chapel Hill through West Virginia in my trusty Nova loaded with some stuff.  I was staying in a room in the apartment complex while they redid my apartment, it was a pretty basic room but OK.  I unloaded the car and figured I'd get something to eat and went to a Gold Star Chili because it was close and I was excited to see so many chili places around town, I like "chili" a lot.

I go in and am confused by the menu but order "chili" and get asked if I want 3 way or 4 way or 5 way, and I look perplexed, waitress looks at me and I finally figure "3 way?".  It was the strangest stuff, spaghetti noddles cooked well past al dente, with some kind of brownish sauce covered with shredded cheese.  I ate because I was poor and hungry but thought "never again".

After ten days or so, my apartment had been refurbished, it looked brand new, it was a nice complex, I think it was $350 a month for 2 bdr townhouse affair.  Lived there 11 months before we bought a condo further out of town.  Two bedroom condo on three levels overlooking a golf course, I think we paid under $80 K.  I was still living like a student but making bank like a real employee.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2025, 10:45:49 AM
shoulda guessed 5-way, but you know that now
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Post by: utee94 on April 29, 2025, 11:20:12 AM
shoulda guessed 5-way, but you know that now
Shoulda gone to McDonald's.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 11:30:44 AM
Thinking back now, I think I asked for just a bowl of chili, a chili one way I guess.  I think later (much) I tried a 3 way.  A bowl of Cincy chili is ... well, not very good.  I don't think I had any again for years until a group at work was having some birthday celebration I needed to attend.  

When I got to liking the stuff OK, I'd order a 4 way onion, no beans.  Blue Ash Chili came out with a six way that included deep fried jalapenos which can be pretty good.  I'd get a five (six) way hold the beans.  Anyway, if you're ever there, you might try it, but I'm fairly confident you will be unimpressed.

There was a "normal" chili place in Chapel Hill on back, it's gone now, they had pretty good normal chili.  I fix something like that myself now, utee calls it "Mexican spaghetti", though I don't serve it over spaghetti noodles, I usually serve it over rice, and top with with shredded cheddar.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on April 29, 2025, 11:32:16 AM
Jupiter looks like a flat disc in that image, which means the Earth is also flat.

False.

(https://i.imgur.com/l3bojs2.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 29, 2025, 11:40:59 AM
I've only tried Skyline, as that was the one that found it's way up to Columbus. 
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Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2025, 11:47:52 AM
I'd try it with the deep fried jalapenos - what could go wrong?
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Post by: utee94 on April 29, 2025, 11:49:09 AM
Fried jalapenos are great.  You can find some places that'll put 'em on burgers down here.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 12:48:41 PM
I'd try it with the deep fried jalapenos - what could go wrong?
The heat level at this place varied, a lot.  Sometimes they were great, other times they were larrupin'.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2025, 12:51:07 PM
pretty sure it would all be good with me
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Post by: Gigem on April 29, 2025, 02:07:57 PM
Still with the chili?  Mmmmmmkay.  
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Post by: utee94 on April 29, 2025, 02:09:39 PM
I was talking about fried jalapenos on burgers thank you very much.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2025, 02:40:28 PM
There was a "normal" chili place in Chapel Hill on back, it's gone now, they had pretty good normal chili.  I fix something like that myself now, utee calls it "Mexican spaghetti", though I don't serve it over spaghetti noodles, I usually serve it over rice, and top with with shredded cheddar.
Cincy mentioned chili, but not much discussion
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Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2025, 02:41:10 PM
I was talking about fried jalapenos on burgers thank you very much.

I was talking about fried jalapenos on noodles, thank you very much.
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 03:00:51 PM
We just had lunch at Farm Burger, their daily special was a "chicken burger with jalapenoes".  I went for it, it was good, the jalapenous were sliced lengthwise.  The "burger" was just a chicken breast, the naming seems odd to me.  This is the place that has the $11 "Beer and burger" special that my wife got.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 29, 2025, 03:09:25 PM
Fried jalapenos are great.  You can find some places that'll put 'em on burgers down here.
Here too, which is weird with all the old farts that live here.
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Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2025, 03:17:12 PM
We just had lunch at Farm Burger, their daily special was a "chicken burger with jalapenoes".  I went for it, it was good, the jalapenous were sliced lengthwise.  The "burger" was just a chicken breast, the naming seems odd to me.  This is the place that has the $11 "Beer and burger" special that my wife got.
(https://i.imgur.com/lr8FWrs.png)
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 29, 2025, 03:18:57 PM
Bottomless side or ... beer.  Hmmm.  The standard is Naragansett which isn't great but they let me "upgrade" to a local brew that is good at no charge.

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Post by: FearlessF on April 29, 2025, 03:23:58 PM
well, if it's a bottomless beer...............
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Post by: 847badgerfan on April 29, 2025, 03:54:55 PM
Bottomless 24 Y/O.
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on April 29, 2025, 05:30:49 PM
The heat level at this place varied, a lot.  Sometimes they were great, other times they were larrupin'.
They should set aside a really hot batch for the next eating challenge participant. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on April 29, 2025, 07:43:00 PM
The heat level at this place varied, a lot.  Sometimes they were great, other times they were larrupin'.
Damn, you're old

(https://i.imgur.com/CF5yL11.jpeg)
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Post by: Riffraft on April 30, 2025, 07:15:30 AM
Thinking back now, I think I asked for just a bowl of chili, a chili one way I guess.  I think later (much) I tried a 3 way.  A bowl of Cincy chili is ... well, not very good.  I don't think I had any again for years until a group at work was having some birthday celebration I needed to attend. 

When I got to liking the stuff OK, I'd order a 4 way onion, no beans.  Blue Ash Chili came out with a six way that included deep fried jalapenos which can be pretty good.  I'd get a five (six) way hold the beans.  Anyway, if you're ever there, you might try it, but I'm fairly confident you will be unimpressed.

There was a "normal" chili place in Chapel Hill on back, it's gone now, they had pretty good normal chili.  I fix something like that myself now, utee calls it "Mexican spaghetti", though I don't serve it over spaghetti noodles, I usually serve it over rice, and top with with shredded cheddar.


Sorry cincy chili is great
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Post by: Cincydawg on April 30, 2025, 08:32:39 AM
Sorry cincy chili is great
I like it now, yes, but most folks don't on first exposure, like beer.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 01, 2025, 11:34:55 AM
wtf?

Texas OL Nick Brooks was headed to strip club to meet recruits when he was arrested for DWI, docs show | FOX 7 Austin (https://www.fox7austin.com/news/nick-brooks-texas-longhorns-football-arrest/)
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Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2025, 11:40:00 AM
some things never change
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Post by: utee94 on May 01, 2025, 11:51:13 AM
Effin idiot.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 01, 2025, 11:55:46 AM
Strip club with recruits?
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 01, 2025, 11:57:51 AM
Texas player caught smoking weed? 

Are we back to the Bonghorn era? 

...

...

...

...I don't know if I believe there has been a team in my adult life, anywhere, that didn't have players smoking weed.  
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Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2025, 12:06:48 PM
or takin recruits to strip clubs
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Post by: utee94 on May 01, 2025, 12:30:38 PM
Strip club with recruits?
No that's fine.  That's been a part of the process as long as universities have hosted recruits.

Driving under the influence, is the idiot part.

Use some of that phat NIL money and hire a car.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 01, 2025, 12:35:29 PM
I don't approve of strip clubs for anyone, let alone a 17-18 y/o kid.
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Post by: utee94 on May 01, 2025, 12:36:57 PM
I don't approve of strip clubs for anyone, let alone a 17-18 y/o kid.
OK.

I'm fine with it.

But not DUI.
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Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2025, 12:52:19 PM
Use some of that phat NIL money and hire a car.

hell, use the recruiting budget
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 01, 2025, 03:51:43 PM
Cincinnati had a mayor who became a minor TV talk show star who paid a hooker with a check ... and the check bounced.  I forget his name now.  Looked it up, Jerry Springer.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 01, 2025, 04:46:29 PM
I don't approve of strip clubs for anyone, let alone a 17-18 y/o kid.
I'm not going to yuck someone else's yum, but they ain't for me. 

I refer it as "the illusion of intimacy." 

She doesn't like you. She doesn't care about you. But for as long as you're willing to part with $20/song (if that's inaccurately low, it'll tell you how long it's been since I've been in a strip club), she's going to PRETEND that she likes you. 

I never really wanted to pay someone to pretend to like me. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 01, 2025, 04:50:24 PM
I got tricked into going to one a long while back. Don't see those friends anymore. We get inside and there's girls. One of them comes to me and I actually paid her to go away. I'd have waited outside but it was like -5 degrees and I didn't drive.
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Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2025, 04:50:55 PM
https://youtu.be/mQ_k_VG6Syc
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Post by: utee94 on May 01, 2025, 04:58:07 PM
I'm not going to yuck someone else's yum, but they ain't for me.

I refer it as "the illusion of intimacy."

She doesn't like you. She doesn't care about you. But for as long as you're willing to part with $20/song (if that's inaccurately low, it'll tell you how long it's been since I've been in a strip club), she's going to PRETEND that she likes you.

I never really wanted to pay someone to pretend to like me.
I don't go to scrip clubs either but  I'm not going to deny or judge college kids and recruits for doing it.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 01, 2025, 05:18:08 PM
I don't go to scrip clubs either but  I'm not going to deny or judge college kids and recruits for doing it.

Of course. I did it when I was a college kid. I didn't realize the stupidity/futility of that financial/emotional decision until later in life :57:
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 01, 2025, 05:23:53 PM
In other news, I don't drive much around the ATL, but today being nice outside I suggested we drive to Sweetwater State Park.  Holy Cow. Midday traffic.  I wasn't in a hurry obviously, but it was ridiculous, people changing lanes like crazy people and stop, go, stop, slow, stop ...

I can't imagine living here and driving to work every day.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 01, 2025, 05:56:28 PM
Where do all you investors go for earnings call transcripts? 

I am trying to avoid paying for SeekingAlpha. For a short period, it seemed like Yahoo was publishing them (possibly from their acquisition of The Motley Fool?), but for a couple of stocks I'm following, they haven't posted this quarter's transcripts. 

I *hate* listening to recordings. I'd much rather read. But it seems like earnings call transcripts seem to have previously been paywalled, briefly went free, and perhaps are now paywalled again...
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Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2025, 07:48:47 PM
OK.

I'm fine with it.

But not DUI.
LEXINGTON, Ky. (WKYT/Gray News) – A pedestrian has died after police say he was struck by a teacher who was driving under the influence while on her way to school.

The crash happened on the morning of April 16 in Lexington, Kentucky.

Fayette County Coroner identified the victim as 32-year-old Joshua Hampton and said he died two days after the crash.

Police said the teacher, 29-year-old Jamie Caldwell, drove away after hitting Hampton.

Caldwell is a teacher at Glendover Elementary with Fayette County Public Schools, the district confirmed.

Police say that at approximately 6:45 a.m. on April 16, officers responded to the scene of a collision on Georgetown Road near Mercer Road where a pedestrian had been hit by a car.

According to the arrest citation, the driver fled the scene. But police quickly found the vehicle at Glendover Elementary, where Caldwell had arrived for work.

The citation states that officers found Caldwell at the school and immediately saw damage to her vehicle. Officers also said she smelled of alcohol.

Caldwell failed field sobriety tests, and a breath test result came back at .278, more than three times Kentucky’s legal limit.

The citation also says Caldwell admitted to drinking the night before and reported taking prescription anxiety, depression, and blood pressure medications earlier in the morning.

According to the citation, Caldwell told officers she heard a “thud,” but didn’t realize she had hit someone.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 01, 2025, 08:25:17 PM
We had a kindergarten teacher get fired for being hammered on the job.  Our HR guy had to drive her home, it was so bad.  

Didn't make it to winter break, lol.
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Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2025, 08:57:13 PM
I don't go to scrip clubs either but  I'm not going to deny or judge college kids and recruits for doing it.

(https://i.imgur.com/We0J0bT.png)
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Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2025, 09:45:27 PM
https://youtu.be/Gzpmh3Fysro
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 01, 2025, 10:05:35 PM
0.278% BAC is getting into lethal territory, especially when one considers it was morning.

BAC 0.30% to 0.40%: In this percentage range, you'll likely have alcohol poisoning, a potentially life-threatening condition, and experience loss of consciousness. BAC Over 0.40%: This is a potentially fatal blood alcohol level. You're at risk of coma and death from respiratory arrest (absence of breathing).
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Post by: FearlessF on May 01, 2025, 11:14:56 PM
I'm guessing she didn't quit drinking at midnight
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 02, 2025, 10:10:50 AM
Definitely not.  And considering other medications were found in her system, she's lucky to be alive.  Which is more than can be said for the guy she hit.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 02, 2025, 02:52:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TxpE8F7.png)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 02, 2025, 04:03:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TxpE8F7.png)
For a second I read that wrong, and thought it was number of drinks consumed daily. 

I was like, "Dayum, Portugal!"
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Post by: FearlessF on May 02, 2025, 08:18:28 PM
21% is still impressive - not buy Wisconsin standards, but impressive
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Post by: utee94 on May 03, 2025, 02:27:29 AM
I don't think I'm buying that.  In my experience the number of adults consuming alcohol on a daily basis in France, was 100%.  We're talking at least one glass of wine with meals, every single day.  No exaggeration.

I could think my numbers might be inflated due to hanging out with professionals at work dinners, but this was also my experience every time one of the locals invited me to dinner at their private residences on random Tuesday and Wednesday nights.

CD-- what do you think, based on your experiences in France?

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Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2025, 07:58:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/txARnZd.png)
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Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2025, 08:12:46 AM
thanks to the EGG LOBBY............

(https://i.imgur.com/tEABACL.png)
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Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2025, 10:07:18 AM

Gotta have a side of eggs with that


(https://i.imgur.com/rVwK4Lx.jpeg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 03, 2025, 10:58:29 AM
My favorite egg dish is an omellete with nearly everything not overcooked.

In order of preference, tomato, cheese, onion, peppers, spinach .... I'm Ok with just those ... I can get bacon on the side.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2025, 11:11:59 AM
My favorite egg dish is an omellete with nearly everything not overcooked.

In order of preference, tomato, cheese, onion, peppers, spinach .... I'm Ok with just those ... I can get bacon on the side.
I like 'em with asparagus inside and finished with some reduced aged balsamic and microgreens.
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Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2025, 11:17:28 AM
My favorite egg dish is an omellete with nearly everything not overcooked.

In order of preference, tomato, cheese, onion, peppers, spinach .... I'm Ok with just those ... I can get bacon on the side.
yup, veggies in the omelet, cheese on top and meat one the side - if it's covered in sausage gravy, even better
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Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2025, 11:51:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/s7jZzNP.jpeg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 03, 2025, 01:57:43 PM
Hard boiled is my least favorite.  Put enough pepper and hot sauce on them and I can choke them down.
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 03, 2025, 02:00:23 PM
About Us - American Egg Board (https://www.incredibleegg.org/about-us/)

The American Egg Board (AEB) was created by an Act of Congress in 1976 at the request of America’s egg farmers, who desired to pool resources for national category-level egg marketing.
Home to The Incredible Egg and Egg Nutrition Center, AEB is dedicated to increasing demand for all U.S. eggs and egg products. For more than 40 years, America’s egg farmers have supported this mission by funding the AEB. The AEB is 100 percent farmer-funded, and those funds directly support the research, education and promotion necessary to market eggs.
We are honored to serve America’s egg farmers.

Investment in the AEB benefits egg farmers many times over. An independent five-year study of efforts from 2017-2021 (published in January 2023) determined that America’s egg farmers earned a return of $10.11 in industry-wide net revenue for every checkoff dollar invested.

The AEB is committed to maintaining a transparent, collaborative relationship with the farmers it represents. AEB documents are publicly available and AEB meetings are open to the public.



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Post by: Cincydawg on May 03, 2025, 02:00:54 PM
I was trying to recall if any Americans ever ate eggs for breakfast before 1976,  I think I did for sure.
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Post by: Riffraft on May 03, 2025, 02:28:39 PM
[img width=234.333 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/s7jZzNP.jpeg[/img]
All but scrambled have to go
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Post by: MrNubbz on May 03, 2025, 03:07:35 PM
I was trying to recall if any Americans ever ate eggs for breakfast before 1976,  I think I did for sure.
Funny you mention that I'm going sunny side up here shortly,with toasted pumpernickel. And a dill pickel
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2025, 03:24:48 PM
I find hard boiled eggs just fine, but they have to be pretty fresh to truly be "good" rather than "some food I can shovel in my face so i don't starve". 

But the first day or two after boiling, with a little kosher salt and fresh cracked black pepper? That's when they shine. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2025, 03:26:25 PM
I like them deviled.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2025, 03:41:37 PM
I like them deviled.
Yes. I'm just too lazy to do the work. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 03, 2025, 03:42:57 PM
My wife makes them.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 03, 2025, 03:47:53 PM
My wife makes them.
She's a keeper. You should marry her. 
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 03, 2025, 05:08:08 PM
Egg farmers?  Technically, wouldn't they be ranchers?  

haha
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Post by: ELA on May 03, 2025, 05:09:35 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1918372475303231624
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Post by: FearlessF on May 03, 2025, 08:01:54 PM
About Us - American Egg Board (https://www.incredibleegg.org/about-us/)

The American Egg Board (AEB) was created by an Act of Congress in 1976 at the request of America’s egg farmers, who desired to pool resources for national category-level egg marketing.
I remember 1976 better than 75 and 77 - there had to be a few things more important for congress than the egg lobby, but WTH?
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Post by: iahawk15 on May 04, 2025, 09:35:59 AM
I was trying to recall if any Americans ever ate eggs for breakfast before 1976,  I think I did for sure.
I'm trying to remember what we ate every night before learning beef is What's for Dinner.
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 04, 2025, 09:38:39 AM
It's not an egg LOBBY, it's an egg BOARD, major difference, somehow.

Established by Congress because they had nothing else to do except to rename a post office.

One wonders how many of these things exist out there probably with profuse sinecures for nephews and cousins.
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Post by: utee94 on May 04, 2025, 05:18:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FUq4byl.png)
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Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2025, 07:47:56 PM
It's not an egg LOBBY, it's an egg BOARD, major difference, somehow.

Established by Congress because they had nothing else to do except to rename a post office.

One wonders how many of these things exist out there probably with profuse sinecures for nephews and cousins.
many times, .... I don't even wonder
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Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2025, 07:48:54 PM
I'm trying to remember what we ate every night before learning beef is What's for Dinner.
in Iowa??? maybe pork chops, the other white meat
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 04, 2025, 08:59:50 PM
Did you guys see how muddy the KY derby was? 

(https://image-uploader.horseracingnation.com/resized/615x615/Ky_Oaks_2025_615x400.jpg)
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Post by: FearlessF on May 04, 2025, 09:04:27 PM
on a replay, yes
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 04, 2025, 10:13:28 PM
Do people from the midwest eat fried pork chops?
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Post by: iahawk15 on May 04, 2025, 10:35:33 PM
in Iowa??? maybe pork chops, the other white meat
I feel like beef was what's for dinner before pork became the other white meat. But I could be remembering that wrong. I was like 12.
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Post by: iahawk15 on May 04, 2025, 10:40:42 PM
Do people from the midwest eat fried pork chops?
I'm sure it's been done, but it's not really a "thing" with a traditional chop.

A "boneless porkchop" comes from the center cut of a pork loin. And when sliced a bit thinner, pounded out, breaded and fried; that's a "pork tenderloin" which is a very big midwest thing.

Which is confusing because the actual tenderloin cut of pork exists, and is something entirely different.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 04, 2025, 11:09:14 PM
Do people from the midwest eat fried pork chops?
You mean a basic breaded and pan (shallow) fried pork chop? Yeah...

And then the pork tenderloin sandwich @iahawk15 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=874) mentions which is common in Iowa and Indiana...
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Post by: Hawkinole on May 04, 2025, 11:46:59 PM
When you are in Iowa, from Iowa, and are the world's greatest female basketball player - treat your opponents, Iowa nice. 
https://twitter.com/i/status/1919156188727377940
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Post by: Riffraft on May 05, 2025, 06:43:22 AM
Mom made fried pork chops on ohio all the time. 
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Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2025, 07:52:30 AM
I feel like beef was what's for dinner before pork became the other white meat. But I could be remembering that wrong. I was like 12.
https://youtu.be/1FZNYXKHwNw
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 05, 2025, 08:23:32 AM
TV ads today seem ... boring ... to me, granted I pretty much only watch sports and use the mute button most of the time.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 05, 2025, 08:38:18 AM
Mom made fried pork chops on ohio all the time.
Shake and bake.
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Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2025, 09:18:16 AM
PINELLAS COUNTY, Fla. (WKYT/Gray News) – A man from Kentucky who won a $167 million lottery prize Saturday was arrested early Wednesday morning in Florida.

According to police, James Farthing, of Georgetown, was taken into custody in Pinellas County after being accused of assaulting an officer.

Farthing bought the $2 Powerball ticket for last Saturday’s drawing and ended up making Kentucky lottery history with the largest prize ever awarded.

He posed for photos with the celebratory check on Monday, but by Wednesday morning, Farthing was arrested.

An arrest citation states Farthing was at a hotel Tuesday night when an officer tried to stop a fight.

One person told officers Farthing punched him during the altercation. The arresting officer said Farthing kicked him in the face and resisted arrest.

Farthing is charged with battery of a law enforcement officer, resisting an officer and battery as well as violating parole.

Farthing was on parole through August 2025 for charges in Kentucky. His court records include convictions of tampering with evidence, engaging in organized crime, drug charges, receiving stolen property and theft by unlawful taking.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 05, 2025, 09:35:59 AM
Sounds like a great guy.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 05, 2025, 09:36:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/s7jZzNP.jpeg)

Drop scrambled.  Rougher on my tummy and the others are too delicious to get rid of.  
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Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2025, 09:41:45 AM
what are you adding to your scrambled eggs that bother your tummy?
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 05, 2025, 09:45:13 AM
Nothing that I don't add to the others.  Don't know why that happens.  It's always been a thing since I was a kid.  Any other way to cook an egg gives me no problems. 

My stepson bought an egg-cooker, which I thought was goofy and a waste of money.  Damned if that thing doesn't produce the most perfect, best boiled eggs with perfect consistency.  Now I don't like doing boiled eggs without it and even a non-foodie like me can tell the difference. 
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 05, 2025, 09:48:04 AM
Nothing that I don't add to the others.  Don't know why that happens.  It's always been a thing since I was a kid.  Any other way to cook an egg gives me no problems. 

My stepson bought an egg-cooker, which I thought was goofy and a waste of money.  Damned if that thing doesn't produce the most perfect, best boiled eggs with perfect consistency.  Now I don't like doing boiled eggs without it and even a non-foodie like me can tell the difference. 
Something like this (https://www.target.com/p/dash-3-in-1-everyday-7-egg-cooker-with-omelet-maker-and-poaching/-/A-79345581?preselect=53731036#lnk=sametab)? 

If so, I agree... Perfect boiled eggs, every time, and the things peel like a dream. 

I've heard people argue over hard boiled egg methods for years. Put them in this, turn it on, wait for it to chime, toss them in the fridge, and you're done. Not only does it produce perfect eggs, but it's the easiest method I've ever used. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 05, 2025, 09:50:13 AM
Yup.  Different brand, but same thing.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 05, 2025, 10:10:18 AM
My wife has a rice cooker she adores.  She got it used from a friend who was moving, for free, decades ago.  I can pretty much make rice on my own, but she insists on using the cooker.

Then she complains about having not enough space in the kitchen.
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 05, 2025, 10:22:07 AM
Question about Facebook stuff:

I'm seeing more and more totally fake "photos" of locations, usually alleged to be some tourist spot.  Someone goes to some trouble to fabricate them, and they can get "clicks", but to what end?  Who benefits from this silliness?
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Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2025, 10:50:21 AM
I guess clicks are $$$
they intentionally put up something "wrong" to get people to click and correct them.
people love to know something and correct others
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 05, 2025, 10:52:26 AM
I don't see how one monetizes clicks.

I'm also seeing on FB "football" sites "BREAKING NEWS" about how X signed with Y, which are entirely fabricated of course.

It's almost as if social media is becoming a cess pool .....................................
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Post by: FearlessF on May 05, 2025, 10:57:14 AM
almost
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 05, 2025, 12:05:45 PM
It's almost as if social media is becoming a cess pool .....................................

Saw a youtube video this weekend, a "trailer" for the supposed Sequel to Forrest Gump.  I knew immediately it was AI and there is no such movie coming, but holy cow, did much of that "trailer" look and sound realistic.  It's possible the creator used some actual footage of Tom Hanks I didn't recognize, and portions of it were obviously AI generated, but if the whole thing was AI....yikes.  

If we think figuring out what's real and what's not now is hard, it's about to get exponentially worse.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 05, 2025, 12:09:03 PM
The "photos" I see on FB are pretty clearly not real, especially if I know the area.  But a lot of respondents post "Beautiful!!!", though they may be fake also.

I still don't see how this is monetized.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 05, 2025, 12:13:18 PM
Ad-based revenue sharing, I'd assume.  Similar to how YouTube pays its content creators for views.  FB's primary goal is to drive up user engagement, so they're likely willing to give some $ to anyone who keeps eyeballs on screens for longer.  I don't use FB too much anymore, but it definitely has ads.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 05, 2025, 12:19:41 PM
Bill Belichick's Girlfriend Leaves Him For Lou Holtz | Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/news/belichicks-girlfriend-leaves-him-for-lou-holtz?utm_source=The Babylon Bee)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 05, 2025, 12:55:48 PM
I don't have a FB account. 

I should post that in the "things that made me happy today" thread :57:
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 05, 2025, 12:57:51 PM
My wife killed off all her SM accounts recently.  I actually "enjoy" Facebook, mostly.  Sure, it has some massive, um, issues?  But I'm Ok with them.
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Post by: utee94 on May 05, 2025, 01:04:35 PM
I don't really have any issues with Facebook because I can easily ignore whatever's on there that I don't like.  I don't even notice to be honest, my brain just filters it out.

And it's extremely useful for helping the extended family and distant friends keep up with the activities of my family (mostly my kids to be honest).  So posting a couple of things here and there to Facebook, saves me from dreaded phone conversations.  It's really quite the Godsend.

:)

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Post by: Cincydawg on May 05, 2025, 01:07:09 PM
My kids all quit using it, they got me into it in the first place, "My Space" initially.  

Somebody at work told me I HAD to get on LINKEDIN, so I signed up, it was ... not useful to me, at all, and rather annoying.  It took a lot of effort to delete my account.

There are some FB groups I'm in that I find useful, one is about hiking in north Georgia etc.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 05, 2025, 01:35:31 PM
For the most part, my account exists basically fallow and not up-to-date because I'm not using it to look for a job. 

With my job changes I'm probably going to have to start actively using LinkedIn for self-promotion. In one of my previous roles (customer-facing) I basically couldn't post about anything I was doing because it was all confidential/NDA related to customer interactions, so it was moot. Then when I transitioned into my current role, I probably SHOULD have used it to highlight things I was doing as I was writing public-facing documents, but it seemed like a lot of work. But now that work will start getting to be higher profile, so I'm going to have to. 

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on May 05, 2025, 03:43:44 PM
Not sure if this is what you're talking about but I've been seeing a lot of this fake stuff recently.  Stories that have no real reason to be faked except maybe click-bait ?  I swear, I miss the days of dial-up and other simple internet vibes.  

(https://i.imgur.com/FXUaKhl.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on May 06, 2025, 07:14:36 AM
In a study, scientists used a fake leg to simulate a person stepping on a rattlesnake. Out of 175 snakes that were physically "stepped on" by the booted foot, only six bit the leg. The rest tried to get away, froze in place, or wriggled in surprise but didn't react aggressively. It's actually really hard to get bitten by a rattlesnake. They just want to be left alone.

Rattlesnakes also don't rattle before striking. A rattle doesn't mean aggression, it's an "excuse me, I'm down here." They rattle to tell you, or other large animals, that you are about to step on them, since they blend in very well with their surroundings and they'd rather you didn't smush them accidentally. Strikes are generally noise-free acts of last ditch desperation.

Only about 1% of rattlesnake bites are deadly, and those that are generally happen in situations where medical care was delayed. A quarter of rattlesnake bites don't actually involve any venom at all, they are "dry bites" intended as a warning only. As long as you get to a hospital in a reasonable amount of time, you will probably be fine. This is not a situation where minutes count, just move promptly towards medical care. The deadly bites generally happen in very remote areas, when people are hiking alone, or when drugs and alcohol are involved, since all of these can increase the amount of time it takes someone to get to help or result in poor decision-making. First aid for a bite? Just get the person to a hospital, promptly, but safely. There is nothing else you need to do, and anything you might think about doing is just wasting time getting the person to a hospital and potentially complicating things by rubbing germs into the wound or further stressing the currently stressed tissue in the area. Don't ice it, tourniquet it, or suck on it, just call 911 or start hiking back to the trailhead.

The anti-venom products ERs use are combination formulas, which work for multiple North American venomous snake species. One works for multiple species of rattlesnakes, cottonmouths, and copperheads. A second anti-venom product works for various rattlers if you know you heard a rattle but aren't sure of the exact species. Coral snake bites can be identified by looking at the bite itself by hospital staff because the venom works on the body differently and there is a separate antivenom product that works for them. All of this means you don't need to try to take a closeup picture of the snake that bit you, coax it into a box to bring with you, or kill it to bring in and show to the doctors. In the case of rattlers, copperheads, and cottonmouths, they have what they need to treat a bite without knowing exactly what species of snake it was, and in the case of coral snakes, can figure out that one bit you without seeing the snake. Don't waste time or risk a second bite messing with a snake that is already very upset.


(https://i.imgur.com/wBJNUAR.jpeg)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 06, 2025, 07:27:00 AM
(https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/2560196/792x456/scale;webp=auto;jpeg_quality=60;progressive.jpg)
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 06, 2025, 10:02:32 AM
I was outside some yesterday and noticed across the street a dude walking being followed by four boxlike "robots" on wheels.  I watched a bit and crossed the street to chat with the guy, who was happy to talk.  He said they were "mapping" the sidewalks, and the real item was advertising something.  He said eventually they could deliver food with the bots.

Rent a Delivery Robot | Fast & Green with Kiwibot (https://www.kiwibot.com/)
(https://i.imgur.com/6x66wEF.png)

I notice the Waymos about town no longer have a driver or person inside.  I have not seen one with a passenger, yet.

Skynet is growing.
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Post by: jgvol on May 06, 2025, 10:06:56 AM
I was outside some yesterday and noticed across the street a dude walking being followed by four boxlike "robots" on wheels.  I watched a bit and crossed the street to chat with the guy, who was happy to talk.  He said they were "mapping" the sidewalks, and the real item was advertising something.  He said eventually they could deliver food with the bots.

Rent a Delivery Robot | Fast & Green with Kiwibot (https://www.kiwibot.com/)
(https://i.imgur.com/6x66wEF.png)

I notice the Waymos about town no longer have a driver or person inside.  I have not seen one with a passenger, yet.

Skynet is growing.

I saw these in SLC, and asked my sons what they were.

Sure enough, delivering food.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 06, 2025, 10:08:17 AM
Rattlesnakes may be as benign as you say, but cottonmouths are assholes.  Some king snakes can imitate a rattle, somehow, and will rattle to scare you away. 

We had a coral snake on the porch a while back.  It was at a time when my wife left for work much earlier than me.  I got mad when I found out that instead of waking me up to do something about it, she just stepped over it and hoped for the best.  
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Post by: Gigem on May 06, 2025, 11:38:24 AM
In the coastal areas where I work a lot ( very large multi-thousand acres) I’ve seen very large rattle snakes on multiple occasions. In fact once when me and my son were working near a windmill he heard the rattle and letter me. We started carefully moving stuff around and there was a small one 1-2 ft from where I was standing. I didn’t hear it because I’m hard of hearing. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 06, 2025, 03:45:02 PM
Centennial Yards' 'immersive dome' reaches construction milestone | Urbanize Atlanta (https://atlanta.urbanize.city/post/cosm-centennial-yards-immersive-dome-reaches-construction-milestone?fbclid=IwY2xjawKHRX5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFlUWxkM3IzZTltVjVzR01mAR5TECgbeaa17D4eGVO24S8-_KLf-oQbB5BHcFGJgIRdy_-YGiXogWo9aJ-pOg_aem_V_M4opPKovlPZ1_vNTNjQQ)

Not entirely sure what this is but it could be neat.

(https://i.imgur.com/cV4qso8.jpeg)
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Post by: bayareabadger on May 06, 2025, 05:23:10 PM
I don't really have any issues with Facebook because I can easily ignore whatever's on there that I don't like.  I don't even notice to be honest, my brain just filters it out.

And it's extremely useful for helping the extended family and distant friends keep up with the activities of my family (mostly my kids to be honest).  So posting a couple of things here and there to Facebook, saves me from dreaded phone conversations.  It's really quite the Godsend.

:)


it’s funny, my Facebook has been incredibly hollowed out. It seems like it became the space for all our relatives with strong opinions and basically everyone in my generation just skipped off unless they were posting photos of their kids.

also their suggested content is poor.
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Post by: utee94 on May 06, 2025, 06:17:55 PM
it’s funny, my Facebook has been incredibly hollowed out. It seems like it became the space for all our relatives with strong opinions and basically everyone in my generation just skipped off unless they were posting photos of their kids.

also their suggested content is poor.
Yeah I don't post anything personal or political.  Mainly photos of the kids or occasionally pictures of my dinner or perhaps beer.  That's what I find it useful for.

I have no interest in political echo chambers nor in doom scrolling.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 06, 2025, 07:34:58 PM

I have no interest in political echo chambers
(https://i.imgur.com/zsBtFia.jpeg)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 06, 2025, 08:13:06 PM
lulz
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 06, 2025, 08:48:52 PM
Yeah I don't post anything personal or political.  Mainly photos of the kids or occasionally pictures of my dinner or perhaps beer.  That's what I find it useful for.

I have no interest in political echo chambers nor in doom scrolling.
I agree.   
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Post by: bayareabadger on May 06, 2025, 09:11:52 PM
Yeah I don't post anything personal or political.  Mainly photos of the kids or occasionally pictures of my dinner or perhaps beer.  That's what I find it useful for.

I have no interest in political echo chambers nor in doom scrolling.
My Instagram mirrors there. Which is fine. 
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Post by: utee94 on May 06, 2025, 09:14:55 PM
My Instagram mirrors there. Which is fine.
I have no Instagram.  Which is fine.
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Post by: MrNubbz on May 06, 2025, 09:21:45 PM
I have neither which is fine
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 06, 2025, 09:24:40 PM
Instagram is the one I still have. My feed is full of golden retrievers. And zero (or close to) bullshit. That's a perfect balance in life. 

I also don't post, or comment on posts. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 06, 2025, 09:26:05 PM
I have neither which is fine
I agree. It is fine. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on May 06, 2025, 09:28:17 PM
Instagram is the one I still have. My feed is full of golden retrievers. And zero (or close to) bullshit. That's a perfect balance in life.

I also don't post, or comment on posts.
You build your echo chamber of stuff you want, which is great. 
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Post by: FearlessF on May 06, 2025, 11:22:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zsBtFia.jpeg)
knew this was coming
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 07, 2025, 07:11:04 AM
I agree. 
I see a lot of your Trump posts on FB for some reason.
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Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2025, 08:04:43 AM
Cincy seems to enjoy stirring the political pot on FB

not often, but...........
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Post by: utee94 on May 07, 2025, 08:07:09 AM
I see a lot of your Trump posts on FB for some reason.
Cincy seems to enjoy stirring the political pot on FB

not often, but...........
OK, OK-- I'm sorry I said the word "political" on the apolitical thread.  Let's move any further similar talk to the politics thread, before bwar's head explodes in a fit of rage! :)

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 07, 2025, 08:53:14 AM
Cincy seems to enjoy stirring the political pot on FB

not often, but...........
Yeah pretty often, it's my thing.  
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Post by: utee94 on May 07, 2025, 09:05:16 AM
I post stuff about my kids' marching band on Facebook.  I find it useful for that.

Of course at this point I use the term "marching band" pretty loosely.  Nowadays you have a massive percussion section consisting of xylophones, marimbas, vibraphones, timpani, gongs, and other stationary pieces, that doesn't march at all.  There's also a lot of shows with elaborate sets and dramatic activity that's more like theater than marching band and, of course, my personal least favorite-- vocal solos in the midst of the marching band's show.  So it's now band, theater, and choir all mixed in together.

Oh and synthesizers and pre-recorded music, which I also think should have no part in a marching band show.

Now get off my lawn.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 07, 2025, 09:14:25 AM
Oh and I should point out that I actually really enjoy this modern style of marching band show, complaints aside (except for the singing, that's just awful).  

I just don't think it's particularly marching-band-y anymore.  When you're marching instruments that can't be heard from the field without electronic amplification, then I'm not sure it's really marching band.

All that said, I still am really proud of my kids' band that has now won the 5A State Championship 6 times in a row, and gunning for #7 next fall.  Their shows are super-entertaining, the kids' talent level is off the charts compared to what we were doing 35 years ago when I was in band, and their dedication and commitment is also far above where we were decades ago.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on May 07, 2025, 09:19:05 AM
Oh and I should point out that I actually really enjoy this modern style of marching band show, complaints aside (except for the singing, that's just awful). 


Karaoke 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 07, 2025, 09:19:14 AM
But one of my main concerns with it, is that it has become so expensive to produce a top-quality competitive show, that the fees associated with marching band are exorbitant.  It costs $1,000 per kid per year just to cover the basics like uniforms, instrument cleaning, transportation, etc.  Then on top of that, the kids (and by kids, I mean parents) are being asked to raise another $150,000 in a normal year through various fundraisers.  And then last year, when our band went to Grand Nationals competition in Indianapolis, it cost another $750,000 to send the 300+ kids up there for 3 days and 4 nights.  That's a band budget of over $1 million for one year.  That's just crazy.

And the problem is, that it has made participating in band just completely unattainable for people with lower incomes.  We are literally pricing kids out of the arts, with the hysteria and the mania involved in these massive marching band productions.  I find that to be troubling, and sad.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on May 07, 2025, 09:39:18 AM
But one of my main concerns with it, is that it has become so expensive to produce a top-quality competitive show, that the fees associated with marching band are exorbitant.  It costs $1,000 per kid per year just to cover the basics like uniforms, instrument cleaning, transportation, etc.  Then on top of that, the kids (and by kids, I mean parents) are being asked to raise another $150,000 in a normal year through various fundraisers.  And then last year, when our band went to Grand Nationals competition in Indianapolis, it cost another $750,000 to send the 300+ kids up there for 3 days and 4 nights.  That's a band budget of over $1 million for one year.  That's just crazy.

And the problem is, that it has made participating in band just completely unattainable for people with lower incomes.  We are literally pricing kids out of the arts, with the hysteria and the mania involved in these massive marching band productions.  I find that to be troubling, and sad.
I wonder how the school foots the bill for football compared to something like Band.  Do the football players get uniforms, shoes, pads, etc?  Obviously football will always take precedence but it's just funny how some things are just accepted and some things brushed aside.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 07, 2025, 10:11:27 AM
Occasionally I read some "career advice" thing "in the news", and nearly always think "I guess I was out of touch, or something."

HR exec: Avoid this job interview mistake that makes it look like you don't care (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/07/hr-exec-avoid-this-job-interview-mistake-that-makes-it-look-like-you-dont-care.html)

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 07, 2025, 10:25:23 AM
I wonder how the school foots the bill for football compared to something like Band.  Do the football players get uniforms, shoes, pads, etc?  Obviously football will always take precedence but it's just funny how some things are just accepted and some things brushed aside. 
Yeah I have no idea.  My son did football up through middle school but didn't continue into high school, I don't know anything about how it works.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 07, 2025, 10:38:26 AM
Occasionally I read some "career advice" thing "in the news", and nearly always think "I guess I was out of touch, or something."

HR exec: Avoid this job interview mistake that makes it look like you don't care (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/07/hr-exec-avoid-this-job-interview-mistake-that-makes-it-look-like-you-dont-care.html)
The "reading the job description and figure out how your experience translates to each facet of the role" is how I got a job back in 2002, after the dot com bubble burst and I was laid off. 

My cover letter was tailored to the specific attributes in the job posting and how my experience translated directly to the role. 

Given that there were a LOT of out of work people in my industry, I am quite certain that's how my resume got noticed and got the first foot in the door. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 07, 2025, 10:49:09 AM
I went on maybe five job interviews after I got my first (and only) job, each a full day after flying out somewhere.  A couple were through head hunters and I was mildy curious about them.

The nature of the jobs for which I was applying was never very specific.  Even after the first step, if a step two was warranted, I had little information about what the job actually entailed.  I didn't know what the job I got really entailed.  I had maybe five interviews before I accepted one offer.  

I could not have told anyone, nor was I ever asked, how my skill set matched their job.  

I also interview, and hired, I don't know how many folks, and they had little idea what the job entailed either.  I would not have asked this question.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 07, 2025, 10:59:00 AM
I went on maybe five job interviews after I got my first (and only) job, each a full day after flying out somewhere.  A couple were through head hunters and I was mildy curious about them.

The nature of the jobs for which I was applying was never very specific.  Even after the first step, if a step two was warranted, I had little information about what the job actually entailed.  I didn't know what the job I got really entailed.  I had maybe five interviews before I accepted one offer. 

I could not have told anyone, nor was I ever asked, how my skill set matched their job. 

I also interview, and hired, I don't know how many folks, and they had little idea what the job entailed either.  I would not have asked this question.
Well, they didn't have monster.com when you were hired, did they? It takes a lot of taps on the telegram wire to give a detailed job posting... :57:

These days a job posting will typically have a fairly detailed list of qualifications and of the nature of the job role. I agree with the article that in today's world, responding to questions like you haven't actually paid attention to that and can't articulate how your qualifications apply to the job posting, would be a red flag. 
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Post by: Gigem on May 07, 2025, 11:08:51 AM
Well, they didn't have monster.com when you were hired, did they? It takes a lot of taps on the telegram wire to give a detailed job posting... :57:

These days a job posting will typically have a fairly detailed list of qualifications and of the nature of the job role. I agree with the article that in today's world, responding to questions like you haven't actually paid attention to that and can't articulate how your qualifications apply to the job posting, would be a red flag.
Monster.com was a huge deal when I graduated college, ca. 2000.  Although I haven't actively seeked out many jobs in the last 20ish or so years, it seems to have faded out completely.  Indeed and a few others have taken it place.  I wonder why?  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on May 07, 2025, 11:11:53 AM
It takes a lot of taps on the telegram wire to give a detailed job posting... :57:
LoL, @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) isn't THAT old.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on May 07, 2025, 11:20:14 AM

Occasionally I read some "career advice" thing "in the news", and nearly always think "I guess I was out of touch, or something."

HR exec: Avoid this job interview mistake that makes it look like you don't care (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/07/hr-exec-avoid-this-job-interview-mistake-that-makes-it-look-like-you-dont-care.html)


I always rolled my eyes at the “It looks like you’re ‘blanketly applying to things’” bit. Always struck me as whiney. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Gigem on May 07, 2025, 11:23:32 AM
I've been on the interview team several times in my career, it gave me a lot of insight on what to do and say and what not to do and say.  The best part is working with some of the people we hired, some of the ones that interviewed poorly were the best ones and the ones that interviewed well are the worst ones.  It's literally a crap shoot.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 07, 2025, 11:28:55 AM
LoL, @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) isn't THAT old. 
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Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 07, 2025, 11:29:35 AM
I've been on the interview team several times in my career, it gave me a lot of insight on what to do and say and what not to do and say.  The best part is working with some of the people we hired, some of the ones that interviewed poorly were the best ones and the ones that interviewed well are the worst ones.  It's literally a crap shoot. 
Probably why predicting success or failure of college football coaches is so hard...
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 07, 2025, 11:58:19 AM
These days a job posting will typically have a fairly detailed list of qualifications and of the nature of the job role. I agree with the article that in today's world, responding to questions like you haven't actually paid attention to that and can't articulate how your qualifications apply to the job posting, would be a red flag.
We would not have put much detail in a job description for security reasons, and I don't think it was needed anyway.  We weren't hiring for some very specific role, we just felt we needed say an engineer or a technician for general lab work etc.  I really had no clue what I was to be working on when I was hired beyond some vague handwaving.

For a technician opening, we'd usually hire someone with a BS Chemistry degree and some knowledge about how to function in a chemistry lab.  That was it.  A PhD opening would entail a more involved process in the interview day, a lot rested on the seminar they would present about their previous work.  I wouldn't go into details about the job though.

I'm sure it's quite different in other industries.  In ours, it was pretty well expected a person's career would vary a lot over 30+ years, I probably worked on 10-15 major areas over that time.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 07, 2025, 12:09:25 PM
I always rolled my eyes at the “It looks like you’re ‘blanketly applying to things’” bit. Always struck me as whiney.

Agree.

It's also out of touch with reality.  The truth is, when you're job searching, you better be blanketly applying to things, because your odds of a callback on any one thing are very slim.  You need to apply to dozens, even hundreds of jobs, and most job-seekers who just go looking for what they "want" and not what opens up for them are going to be in a pickle.  When you have some experience and more leverage, you can probably be choosier.  But this is a pretty crap way to look at candidates in any kind of entry-level or lower-level.  Or heck, even higher levels, for people who have been laid off, have a mortgage and a family to feed, and need work.  Better believe they're "blanketly applying to things."  That's a silly knock on a potential candidate.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 07, 2025, 12:14:38 PM
We had various companies come on to campus to interview.  You signed up if you were plausibly interested, and did a one hour interview with some campus recruiter.  (I did the other side of this for a few years.)  Then your resume and recruiter notes went back to some hiring team who might decide you were worth an on site interview.  Then you'd get a letter in the mail with details and you'd respond yay (usually) or nay, then travel to the company's place and do a day long interview.

I had about six of these, and decided it was taking too much time, and had three offers, two of which seemed attractive.  I then set up a second "interview" trip with them so I could ask questions etc. and then decided which offer to accept.

I guess I may have mailed out resumes if I saw job openings, probably a few.  At one point I was somewhat interested in a teaching position out in Montana and another in Iowa, so those probably came about from sending resumes.  My boss wanted me to take one of them, it would be a feather in his cap.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 07, 2025, 12:41:01 PM
I don't think I'd take it as a good sign if my boss wanted me to take another job.  Even when it's what you say, it'd feel like "I'd like to get rid of you."
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 07, 2025, 12:44:43 PM
I don't think I'd take it as a good sign if my boss wanted me to take another job.  Even when it's what you say, it'd feel like "I'd like to get rid of you."
I was graduating.  He was my advisor, happy I was leaving (as was I).  A professor who places a student as an assistant professore somewhere gets some pride and status for so doing.

The salary in industry was nearly twice was an assistant professor makes, with a LOT less "work".  

I was his second student to graduate.  He passed away at age 52 15 or so years later.  He was a really good basketball player and made his own furniture and beer.  The furniture was nice, the beer not so much but I told him it was great.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 07, 2025, 02:05:14 PM
We would not have put much detail in a job description for security reasons, and I don't think it was needed anyway.  We weren't hiring for some very specific role, we just felt we needed say an engineer or a technician for general lab work etc.  I really had no clue what I was to be working on when I was hired beyond some vague handwaving.

For a technician opening, we'd usually hire someone with a BS Chemistry degree and some knowledge about how to function in a chemistry lab.  That was it.  A PhD opening would entail a more involved process in the interview day, a lot rested on the seminar they would present about their previous work.  I wouldn't go into details about the job though.

I'm sure it's quite different in other industries.  In ours, it was pretty well expected a person's career would vary a lot over 30+ years, I probably worked on 10-15 major areas over that time. 
Yeah, if you're looking for mostly entry-level stuff, and ability to operate lab equipment, it's a little different. The further along you are in your career, IMHO, the more specialized things become. 

That job I referenced was still only my second job out of college, so I was quite green behind the ears, as it were. However, that was also a company that tended to hire young [i.e. cheap] people. Ultimately it was a job where I gained experience, but eventually felt I'd outgrown them. 

The next job (5 years later), however, I can also say that I prepared for the interview. I had familiarity with the company from my previous job, but in advance of the interview I'd read all their tech literature online, had a grasp of what they were doing, etc. And because of the 5 years of experience I had at said previous, I could articulate how my experience aligned exactly with the role I was interviewing for. 

IMHO if you walk into an interview unprepared, it's not going to look great. 

Agree.

It's also out of touch with reality.  The truth is, when you're job searching, you better be blanketly applying to things, because your odds of a callback on any one thing are very slim.  You need to apply to dozens, even hundreds of jobs, and most job-seekers who just go looking for what they "want" and not what opens up for them are going to be in a pickle.  When you have some experience and more leverage, you can probably be choosier.  But this is a pretty crap way to look at candidates in any kind of entry-level or lower-level.  Or heck, even higher levels, for people who have been laid off, have a mortgage and a family to feed, and need work.  Better believe they're "blanketly applying to things."  That's a silly knock on a potential candidate. 
Still disagree on "blanketly applying to things", especially for higher-level work. I think it's more important to absolutely target the RIGHT job(s) and put more time into landing them than to just spew resumes out at anything remotely in your industry. Because the people on the other side will be able to spot the 100 reasons you're not aligned with their job just looking over the resume. That doesn't mean that sometimes you DON'T send out resumes to those "long shot" jobs, don't put a ton of time into them, and then only do your research when you get a nibble. But I think for the ones that you are a REALLY ideal candidate, you want to do something that helps stand out. I.e. a cover letter that looks like it's tailored to the EXACT position you're applying for and isn't 'generic' is going to help. You want to get the idea across that you're not looking for A job, you're looking for THAT specific job. 

When I was laid off in 2002, what I found was that I had plenty of TIME available to do this stuff. In fact, I'd usually spend a couple hours every morning (or every afternoon) doing the job application stuff, and a bunch of the rest of the day riding my motorcycle around. There are only so many jobs worth applying to, and when you're out of work, a lack of time REALLY shouldn't be an excuse for not putting in the required effort to be better than the pack. 

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 07, 2025, 02:19:17 PM
Yeah, if you're looking for mostly entry-level stuff, and ability to operate lab equipment, it's a little different. The further along you are in your career, IMHO, the more specialized things become.
This makes some sense, our company had a policy of hiring only entry level people, every thing else was "promote from within" with very few exceptions for very specialized fields.  So, everyone (nearly) started at base level (depending on degree).  Everyone I knew started out as a "new hire" at entry level.

I interviewed for one job in south Georgia of all places after maybe 15 years with my company, it was ostensibly a two level promotion, or so they said, only they asked me if I would take the job if it didn't pay more.  I did have some idea of what they wanted, but the details were confidential.  They called me back to take a "psych eval" in Atlanta, which they said was required of everyone.  I had already decided I couldn't take it with my kids etc.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 08, 2025, 10:39:21 AM
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 08, 2025, 11:05:58 AM
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Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 10, 2025, 07:59:04 AM
I see a lot about "ultra processed food" these days, as do we all.  Are there any examples that are reasonably good to eat?  Are they all deleterious in some way?  

I think it varies, depending, processed meats for example often contain nitrites which have some health issues in excess.  

What about white bread?  It's starch primarily, ultra processed?  I don't know.

I'd guess a microwave frozen meal would be UP?  Maybe?  They aren't inherently terrible are they?  Might contains a lot of salt, maybe preservatives, food dyes?

I ate some popcorn yesterday and wondered if it was UP.  Salt for sure, I don't go for the buttered kind.  Some oil for sure.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on May 10, 2025, 08:03:24 AM
popcorn = whole kernel grain = good

I prefer mine with salt & butter = bad
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 10, 2025, 08:09:20 AM
I think if I really tried to eat health, it would be almost entirely cruciferous vegetables and maybe some carrots and onion and garlic, and a bit more, mushrooms, peppers, ....  Maybe an apple or so.  I'm not as convinced fruit is such a fantastic thing to eat, but some would be OK.  I think I'd avoid anything starchy, which means no rice or wheat or corn or other grain products (or beer).

I don't do that of course.  My weight loss efforts have not yielded any results of late after a bit of a drop.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on May 10, 2025, 08:12:28 AM
I try to limit starch & carbs
no sweets
don't do fast food
salads everyday - sometimes two
that's about as far as I go - I like meat - chicken wings and beer aren't good, but ya gotta die of something
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 10, 2025, 08:18:25 AM
Carbs got a bad rap along the way, I am not completely convinced they are  bad except for the Calories.  Any carb you eat turns into glucose pretty quickly (simple sugar).

Unfortunately, I like rice and good bread and fresh corn.  
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Post by: FearlessF on May 10, 2025, 08:44:15 AM
yeah, carbs are bad for calories - most folks would like to be a few pounds lighter - I'm included
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Post by: FearlessF on May 10, 2025, 09:05:57 AM
Mother's Day gift idea..........

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Post by: FearlessF on May 10, 2025, 09:08:52 AM
FORE!!!!
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 10, 2025, 09:49:12 AM

The problem for me with bacon is the fat and nitrite content, and the fact I like it a lot.  Because of the fat and nitrite content.  And salt.
If you make your own, you can more accurately control the nitrite content. 


IMHO it tastes better than store-bought. 

Of course, I don't know if your condo complex will let you put a smoker on the patio :57:
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 10, 2025, 09:52:44 AM
Any grill or cooking device must be electric here.  We have three decks, no patio.  I can go across the street and use grills in the park, they generally are not very clean.  I guess I could set up a smoker there, or use an electric one here, but none of that is going to happen.

The building has an NG supply for the hot water tank on the roof, but none of the units have it.  This building has a few quirks, which is not unusual.

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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 10, 2025, 09:54:08 AM
Electric smoker

Pro Classic 100 - Electrical Vertical Smoker – Pro Smoker (https://pro-smoker.com/products/pro-classic-100-s)!

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Post by: Cincydawg on May 10, 2025, 09:56:22 AM
I just felt a very slight tremor here, about an hour ago.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 10, 2025, 10:15:10 AM
Electric smoker

Pro Classic 100 - Electrical Vertical Smoker – Pro Smoker (https://pro-smoker.com/products/pro-classic-100-s)!
I think for CD's usage, this would probably be a little more size and price appropriate: 

https://www.amazon.com/Masterbuilt-MES-35B-Electric-Smoker/dp/B07NQLF9WD/?th=1

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 10, 2025, 11:14:50 AM
I try to limit starch & carbs
no sweets
don't do fast food
salads everyday - sometimes two
that's about as far as I go - I like meat - chicken wings and beer aren't good, but ya gotta die of something
chicken wings are healthy as long as they're not breaded and the sauce isn't sugar-based (regular hot is no-carb).
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 10, 2025, 11:22:18 AM
I think of food as three categories"

Clearly unhealthy, try to avoid

Just food, probably not great for you but mostly OK

Healthy, of you mostly eat this you probably are going to live an extra 2 months and 12 days.

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Post by: Cincydawg on May 10, 2025, 11:47:17 AM
Atlanta, Knoxville rattled as earthquake shakes the Southeast | Fox Weather (https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/earthquake-shakes-southeast-atlanta-knoxville)

I was sitting here and felt some very slight wobbles, about like a truck going by.  I thought it was a quake.
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 11, 2025, 10:27:49 AM
Happy Mother's Day:

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Post by: Cincydawg on May 12, 2025, 08:19:56 AM
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 12, 2025, 10:34:10 AM
As I fired up the smoker this weekend, I remembered @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) mentioned he was boiling crawfish.  I lolz'd at the thought of a Texan boiling crawfish while a Louisianan grilled.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 12, 2025, 10:49:14 AM
As I fired up the smoker this weekend, I remembered @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) mentioned he was boiling crawfish.  I lolz'd at the thought of a Texan boiling crawfish while a Louisianan grilled
I'm sorry, did you smoke or did you grill? 

These are distinct things. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 12, 2025, 11:07:07 AM
Look, we've already been through this, and it's well established I know nothing about cooking, cooking terms, nor do I care. 

I used a pellet grill which produces smoke to grill some hamburger patties.  Thus I claim to have "fired up the smoker" because that's what it is, and I grilled the burgers with it, because that's what people usually say they do with burgers.  Beyond that, I really don't care.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 12, 2025, 11:16:01 AM
Yeah, a pellet grill will certainly smoke roast some burgers :57:
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Post by: FearlessF on May 12, 2025, 12:05:41 PM
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Post by: FearlessF on May 12, 2025, 04:54:36 PM
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 13, 2025, 09:02:26 AM
A couple years back, I got a United "affinity" credit card, free for the first year, free luggage etc.  OK fine.  We don't fly "UNited" often, and I got the bill to keep the card I don't use, $95.  So, I go on line to cancel, no can do.  I call and go through their "extensive" menu, being patient, and finally reach an actual person.  

I'm not surprised of course.  It was annoying.  Anyway, saved the $95.  I hope.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on May 14, 2025, 11:02:28 AM
GEAUX BIG RED: HUSKERS SOFTBALL Heads to Baton Rouge!!
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Post by: utee94 on May 14, 2025, 11:08:01 AM
Look out, they're gonna get your team all loaded up on crawfish and moonshine and then comes the voodoo dolls and whatnot.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on May 14, 2025, 11:26:54 AM
A couple years back, I got a United "affinity" credit card, free for the first year, free luggage etc.  OK fine.  We don't fly "UNited" often, and I got the bill to keep the card I don't use, $95.  So, I go on line to cancel, no can do.  I call and go through their "extensive" menu, being patient, and finally reach an actual person. 

I'm not surprised of course.  It was annoying.  Anyway, saved the $95.  I hope.

I got coaxed into the AMEX Delta SkyMiles card back in March.  All bags fly free for me and up to 8 pals, LOL.

Anyhow, If I put 3 grand on it before the 1st 6 months is up, I get 80,000 SkyMiles allegedly.  I'm not even sure what 80,000 miles will buy me.  Probably not much.

I was ready to cancel an old Capital One card I had anyway, so it'll do as a replacement regardless.  And free checked bags for me, and 8 of my closest friends....

Or maybe it was 8 total bags in my entourage?  Whatever.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 14, 2025, 11:28:36 AM
I got coaxed into the AMEX Delta SkyMiles card back in March.  All bags fly free for me and up to 8 pals, LOL.

Anyhow, If I put 3 grand on it before the 1st 6 months is up, I get 80,000 SkyMiles allegedly.  I'm not even sure what 80,000 miles will buy me.  Probably not much.

I was ready to cancel an old Capital One card I had anyway, so it'll do as a replacement regardless.  And free checked bags for me, and 8 of my closest friends....

Or maybe it was 8 total bags in my entourage?  Whatever.
4 or more flights if you're prudent.
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Post by: jgvol on May 14, 2025, 11:31:10 AM
4 or more flights if you're prudent.

Do tell.  I fly some, but by no means do I know all the tricks.  Just a greenhorn.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 14, 2025, 11:34:58 AM
We don't do any of the "categories" cards with stuff like restaurants or travel, etc.  We just have straight cash-back cards; the Amex Blue-Cash Preferred that gets 6% back on gas and streaming services, 3% back on gas, and the Citi Mastercard that's straight 2% back on everything.  It all adds up pretty quick.  I've been able to pay for Christmas for several years now just by cashing in the rewards.....gifts, food, decorations, everything.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 14, 2025, 11:35:11 AM
Well, I'm an American flyer so it may be a little different.

I always look for deals and plan trips around them. I'm self-employed so a bit more flexible than some.

So, a flight to Chicago from here on a Tuesday is 30K miles (round trip). 

Then I look at a Thursday and it's 10K miles (round trip). So, I pick Thursday.

Tuesdays and Fridays are the biggest business travel days.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: jgvol on May 14, 2025, 12:06:28 PM
Well, I'm an American flyer so it may be a little different.

I always look for deals and plan trips around them. I'm self-employed so a bit more flexible than some.

So, a flight to Chicago from here on a Tuesday is 30K miles (round trip).

Then I look at a Thursday and it's 10K miles (round trip). So, I pick Thursday.

Tuesdays and Fridays are the biggest business travel days.

Thanks for the tips.  I'll test them out on Delta.
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Post by: bayareabadger on May 14, 2025, 01:28:09 PM
I got coaxed into the AMEX Delta SkyMiles card back in March.  All bags fly free for me and up to 8 pals, LOL.

Anyhow, If I put 3 grand on it before the 1st 6 months is up, I get 80,000 SkyMiles allegedly.  I'm not even sure what 80,000 miles will buy me.  Probably not much.

I was ready to cancel an old Capital One card I had anyway, so it'll do as a replacement regardless.  And free checked bags for me, and 8 of my closest friends....

Or maybe it was 8 total bags in my entourage?  Whatever.
Points usually translate to cents, sometimes with a multiplier. 

Per a Google. That’s like $960 bucks.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 14, 2025, 01:34:07 PM
Points usually translate to cents, sometimes with a multiplier.

Per a Google. That’s like $960 bucks.
Do you fly out West a lot for family and friends?
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Post by: bayareabadger on May 14, 2025, 01:47:00 PM
Do you fly out West a lot for family and friends?
A couple times a year, on average. Once for a holiday, once when it’s hopefully nice out. 

Sometimes there’s a third when something happens, birth of a child, big moment for someone, etc. 

Usually try to go for a longer trip (at least a week) when I do. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 14, 2025, 01:49:01 PM
I would recommend American unless you already have a card. If I remember right you have an AA hub in your back yard.
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Post by: bayareabadger on May 14, 2025, 02:18:23 PM
I would recommend American unless you already have a card. If I remember right you have an AA hub in your back yard.
I usually fly American, in part because I’m picky about flights. I have no desire to be up super early to fly, and American has the best selection of non-super early direct flights from around here. 

I’ve been told to check out some regional airports, although you lose some value with those. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 14, 2025, 02:40:52 PM
We have two airports. SWFL International and Punta Gorda. I guess we could use Sarasota, but RSW has mostly the same offerings.

PG is Allegiant, which is limiting, but they fly to Chicago MDW, so we do it sometimes. We have their card too.

So, we either drive on this end to SWFL, or drive on that end in Chicago, from MDW (lots of ass burn on that drive).
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Post by: Riffraft on May 15, 2025, 12:24:39 AM
We have a southwest card for the past 2 years we have spent enough on it (paid off every month) for me to fly free with my wife.  Then we have enough points for her to fly free for most flights.   We have a hilton amex and get free rooms regularly.  Have 4 nights at the Waldorf in Orlando in August.  It can be a pain to play the points game but worth it.
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Post by: MarqHusker on May 15, 2025, 12:32:17 AM
we just had an event at that Waldorf (Orlando).  the Japanese place on the roof of the nearby JW is fantastic.  the JW lobby bar also has a world class gin selection.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 15, 2025, 06:52:40 AM
Orlando has become quite the food city.
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 15, 2025, 11:29:03 AM
Diet Tips for Advanced Prostate Cancer (https://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/features/prostate-cancer-diet-tips?ecd=socpd_fb_Gen_1688_spns_ctv6951&utm_medium=paid&utm_source=fb&utm_id=120215815213030355&utm_content=120217703125150355&utm_term=120217703124430355&utm_campaign=120215815213030355&fbclid=IwY2xjawKS5yVleHRuA2FlbQEwAGFkaWQBqxldUrBTE2JyaWQRMXBrWFQ4NndCSkpBWlNBb3EBHieKuL_sGiprbcL1ytRei6UmryX-893CABvFGI3Q3G-ddybbmvwkakeRrppv_aem_b0Qw9VRBbGq5VN4rX9vDgQ)

Basically, eat a good diet, film at 11.
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Post by: bayareabadger on May 15, 2025, 11:39:31 AM
Orlando has become quite the food city.
Feels like one where more than most places, you gotta avoid a lot. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 15, 2025, 11:54:46 AM
I'm not going up there.
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Post by: FearlessF on May 15, 2025, 11:55:28 AM
I don't plan on ever going back
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Post by: utee94 on May 15, 2025, 12:10:55 PM
Was thinking about putting this in Rankings thread but decided it's newsworthy.

https://twitter.com/ShehanJeyarajah/status/1923039613624385794
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Post by: Gigem on May 15, 2025, 04:50:28 PM
In the comments...
https://twitter.com/CollegeSportsO/status/1923055265944834174
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Post by: Gigem on May 15, 2025, 04:52:34 PM
Man it finally feels good to win something
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Post by: bayareabadger on May 15, 2025, 05:14:55 PM
The incentive structure and protections built into the world of college contracts is super fascinating.
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2025, 09:27:54 AM
First-in-human CRISPR trial shows success in halting advanced gastrointestinal cancers.
A groundbreaking study from the University of Minnesota has shown promising results using CRISPR/Cas9 gene-editing to treat advanced gastrointestinal (GI) cancers. The therapy, tested in a first-in-human clinical trial, has provided encouraging signs of safety and potential effectiveness, offering hope for patients with late-stage, metastatic cancers.

Here’s how it works: The researchers used CRISPR/Cas9 technology to edit tumor-infiltrating lymphocytes (TILs), a type of immune cell that helps the body fight cancer. By deactivating a gene called CISH, the modified TILs became more effective at recognizing and attacking cancer cells. The trial was conducted on 12 patients with end-stage metastatic GI cancers, including colorectal cancer, who had exhausted other treatment options. The results showed that the therapy was generally safe with no serious side effects. In some cases, the cancer growth was halted, and one patient experienced a complete response, with metastatic tumors disappearing and remaining absent for over two years.
This gene-editing approach differs from traditional cancer treatments as it permanently alters the TILs, enabling them to continually recognize and attack cancer cells without requiring ongoing treatment. While the results are promising, the therapy is still in its early stages, and efforts are focused on improving the process, reducing costs, and understanding the therapy’s full potential for broader use.

I cited this earlier as something I think is going to change humanity (if we survive) by a lot.  Other things which COULD alter our existence a lot include, I think:


1.  AI
2.  Power from fusion (I keep reading stuff about it.)
3.  Autonomous vehicles, especially heavy trucks.
4.  This Interwebz thing.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 16, 2025, 10:13:10 AM
Centennial Yards reaches milestone in $5 billion Gulch redevelopment – WSB-TV Channel 2 - Atlanta (https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/centennial-yards-reaches-milestone-5-billion-gulch-redevelopment/UOUOUV4DLNF6FFY2E7JDMSXV7E/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawKUJpxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETE5Y3NiUjlHOTVWYVNtam9jAR4uMAgjJNSVbR64R1tSpqykYAUqjHThvzi3eKOJ6C8qA44q-xruSuIhy03dWg_aem_Lq5Eadv5dJhrP1K4CbA7VA)

If you venture to the MB Dome for say an SEC CG, the area around it is changing dramatically.  I have no idea if this venture is going to work, sometimes such things "work" when there is an event at the stadium(s) but otherwise remain a bit underpopulated.

There is a ton of money involved, so maybe it's self sufficient.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2025, 11:49:12 AM
Superwood stronger than Steel (https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/12/inventwood-is-about-to-mass-produce-wood-thats-stronger-than-steel/)


Quote
It sounds like the stuff of science fiction, but it actually comes from a lab in Maryland.
In 2018, Liangbing Hu, a materials scientist at the University of Maryland, devised a way (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25476) to turn ordinary wood (https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/24/cambium-is-building-an-ai-that-helps-turn-waste-wood-into-usable-lumber/) into a material stronger than steel. It seemed like yet another headline-grabbing discovery that wouldn’t make it out of the lab.

“All these people came to him,” said Alex Lau, CEO of InventWood (https://www.inventwood.com/), “He’s like, OK, this is amazing, but I’m a university professor. I don’t know quite what to do about it.”
Rather than give up, Hu spent the next few years refining the technology, reducing the time it took to make the material from more than a week to a few hours. Soon, it was ready to commercialize, and he licensed the technology to InventWood.
Now, the startup’s first batches of Superwood will be produced starting this summer.
“Right now, coming out of this first-of-a-kind commercial plant — so it’s a smaller plant — we’re focused on skin applications,” Lau said. “Eventually we want to get to the bones of the building. Ninety percent of the carbon impact from buildings is concrete and steel in the construction of the building.”


InventWood’s Superwood product starts with regular timber, which is mostly composed of two compounds, cellulose and lignin. The goal is to strengthen the cellulose already present in the wood. “The cellulose nanocrystal is actually stronger than a carbon fiber,” Lau said. 
The company treats it with “food industry” chemicals to modify the molecular structure of the wood, he said, and then compresses the result to increase the hydrogen bonds between cellulose molecules. 
“We might densify the material by 4x and you might think, ‘Oh, it’ll be four times strong, because it has four times the fiber.’ But it’s actually more like 10 times stronger because of all these extra bonds that get created,” Lau said.

The result is a material that has 50% more tensile strength than steel with a strength-to-weight ratio that’s 10 times better, the company said. It’s also Class A fire rated, or highly resistant to flame, and resistant to rot and pests. With some polymer impregnated, it can be stabilized for outdoor use like siding, decking, or roofing. InventWood’s first products will be facade materials for commercial and high-end residential buildings, Lau said.
Compressing the material also concentrates the colors. “You end up with something that looks like these richer, tropical hardwoods,” he added.
Ultimately, InventWood is planning to use wood chips to create structural beams of any dimension that won’t need finishing. “Imagine your I-beams look like this,” Lau said, holding up a sample of Superwood. “They’re beautiful, like walnut, ipe. These are the natural colors. We haven’t stained any of this.”

(https://i.imgur.com/QfwPf12.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on May 17, 2025, 12:24:39 PM
Superwood stronger than Steel (https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/12/inventwood-is-about-to-mass-produce-wood-thats-stronger-than-steel/)

(https://i.imgur.com/QfwPf12.png)

That’s definitely what I tell my girlfriend.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2025, 12:25:24 PM
Maybe y'all shouldn't boot Maryland outta the B1G just yet.  They're doing work.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on May 17, 2025, 01:31:26 PM
Superwood stronger than Steel (https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/12/inventwood-is-about-to-mass-produce-wood-thats-stronger-than-steel/)
Ya but does it float?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 17, 2025, 01:37:21 PM
Ya but does it float?
Probably floats at least as well as this does...


(https://i.imgur.com/J7GuOJt.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 17, 2025, 01:49:25 PM
Maybe y'all shouldn't boot Maryland outta the B1G just yet.  They're doing work.
Damn you!
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2025, 01:55:41 PM
Wood has a density around 500 kg/m3, so 4x that would mean it wouldn't float as a block.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2025, 01:59:43 PM
Self-densified super-strong wood - ScienceDirect (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2369969825000167)

Super Wood Could Replace Steel | Maryland Energy Innovation Institute (https://energy.umd.edu/news/story/super-wood-could-replace-steel)

The team’s process begins by removing the wood’s lignin, the part of the wood that makes it both rigid and brown in color. Then it is compressed under mild heat, at about 150 F. This causes the cellulose fibers to become very tightly packed. Any defects like holes or knots are crushed together.  The treatment process was extended a little further with a coat of paint.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 17, 2025, 02:00:47 PM
I wonder if regular paper could be processed this way as the lignin has already been removed, and the paper fibers are still present.

Super paper.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on May 17, 2025, 08:18:52 PM
Probably floats at least as well as this does...
I thought that when I was typing - you get a Shiner
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on May 17, 2025, 10:34:26 PM
DALLAS (AP) — The fastest-growing city in the U.S. last year was a Dallas suburb that saw its population jump by nearly a third.

The number of residents in Princeton, located about 46 miles (74 kilometers) north of Dallas, increased from about 28,000 to 37,000 from 2023 to 2024, the U.S. Census Bureau said Thursday. The growth has come so quickly that the city — which more than doubled its population since 2020 — has struggled to build roads and infrastructure fast enough as it transforms from a farming community.

Princeton Mayor Eugene Escobar Jr. said that when he first moved to the area over a decade ago, there were just two stoplights, and they had to do their shopping in the next town over. Princeton now has several stoplights and a Walmart, he said, but has had to implement a temporary moratorium on new home construction so infrastructure can keep pace.

Cities of all sizes grew on average from 2023 to 2024, according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s Vintage 2024 estimates, with New York City, Houston and Los Angeles seeing the greatest numeric gains and some cities in the Northeast and Midwest marking their first population increase in recent years.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 19, 2025, 07:14:59 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/18lKipB.png)

What could go wrong?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 19, 2025, 07:19:58 AM
The river shouldn't even be there.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 19, 2025, 07:38:59 AM
Wood has a density around 500 kg/m3, so 4x that would mean it wouldn't float as a block.


Whatever floats your boat. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 19, 2025, 10:44:19 AM
I wonder if regular paper could be processed this way as the lignin has already been removed, and the paper fibers are still present.

Super paper.

Anything I can't crumple up in frustration isn't paper.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: ELA on May 19, 2025, 04:34:59 PM
Heard a podcast say that since Scottie Scheffler won his first PGA event in 2022, he has won 21% of the events he has entered, which is higher than the Carolina Panthers' winning percentage during that same period of time
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on May 22, 2025, 02:53:42 PM
Some degrees don’t guarantee a return on investment: These are the 10 worst-paying college majors

College is often touted as a time for young people to explore their passions and interests. But passion isn’t going to pay the bills. Graduates who majored in education, social work, or the arts end up earning the lowest median income within five years, according to recent data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Foreign language majors earn the lowest salary of all early-career college graduates, with a median annual income of $40,000. General social sciences majors hover close by with a $41,000 median salary. Performing arts majors fare a bit better with a median annual income of $41,1900. Anthropology and early childhood education majors round out the bottom five with a median salary of $42,000.

While foreign language skills are lucrative for many job seekers, they don't always translate to a higher paying role. Now more than ever, people are able to obtain language proficiency without a formal degree (thanks to apps like Duolingo). Those who major in foreign language usually go into lower-paying fields, such as public service or translation.

Even as these majors elevate to mid-career roles, their paychecks are still paltry in comparison to their tech-minded counterparts. Early childhood education majors earn the lowest salary of mid-career college graduates, with a $49,000 median income. Elementary education hovers slightly above, with a $53,000 median annual salary for mid-career workers.

Students who major in STEM fields, such as engineering and computer science, end up earning more due to a greater need for these specialized skills in higher paying industries, including finance and technology.

To summarize, the worst paying degrees for early-career earnings are:

Foreign language ($40,000)
General social sciences ($41,000)
Performing arts ($41,900)
Anthropology ($42,000)
Early childhood education ($42,000)
Family and consumer sciences ($42,000)
General education ($42,000)
Miscellaneous biological science ($42,000)
Social services ($42,000)
Theology and religion ($42,000)
The least lucrative degrees for mid-career earnings are:


Early childhood education ($49,000)
Elementary education ($53,000)
Social services ($54,000)
General education ($55,000)
Special education ($55,000)
Secondary education (58,000)
Theology and religion ($60,000)
Miscellaneous education ($60,000)
Family and consumer sciences ($62,000)
Health services ($65,000)

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2025, 02:56:07 PM
Mercedes-Benz expanding North American headquarters in metro Atlanta (https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2025/05/22/mercedes-benz-expanding-north-american-headquarters-metro-atlanta/?fbclid=IwY2xjawKcUitleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFxdkVrSUJpMEpDb1Fyb3F6AR5lDnFQAx30K8GwSCP5LdvjOh7l6D9Xo2RLyUsKInf30nn-90aVPEIxYix10Q_aem_1-Tx8YujmZiJx7-xIeUCwQ)

I didn't know MB was here.  Porsche NA is down by the airport and they have a pretty sweet deal on renting cars to drive on their track which they just expanded.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 22, 2025, 03:00:19 PM
Mercedes-Benz expanding North American headquarters in metro Atlanta (https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2025/05/22/mercedes-benz-expanding-north-american-headquarters-metro-atlanta/?fbclid=IwY2xjawKcUitleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFxdkVrSUJpMEpDb1Fyb3F6AR5lDnFQAx30K8GwSCP5LdvjOh7l6D9Xo2RLyUsKInf30nn-90aVPEIxYix10Q_aem_1-Tx8YujmZiJx7-xIeUCwQ)

I didn't know MB was here.  Porsche NA is down by the airport and they have a pretty sweet deal on renting cars to drive on their track which they just expanded.


You've never driven past or been inside this rather large building in your city?

(https://i.imgur.com/xEPn5r8.jpeg)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2025, 03:04:54 PM
I knew about MB Stadium, I did not know MB NA was HQ'd here a bit north of downtown (Sandy Springs I think).

One of our posters likes MBs as I recall.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 22, 2025, 03:10:59 PM
I knew about MB Stadium, I did not know MB NA was HQ'd here a bit north of downtown (Sandy Springs I think).

One of our posters likes MBs as I recall.
That's the reason they paid for the naming rights for that stadium.

AT&T in Dallas.

Hard Rock in Miami/South Florida.

Northwest Federal Credit Union in DC

Etc.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2025, 03:38:06 PM
Does anyone buy a car because some stadium is named after the make?

Anyone?

I understand a lot of advertising is simply to put the name out in public.  Buy Coke, it's wonderful, etc.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on May 22, 2025, 03:43:13 PM
Moving a discussion that got started in the obits thread here:

Agree with mb's long post above.  At least until recently, what we think of as "decades" actually tend to run 2-5 years behind.

The pictures we have of the "50s" with the poodle skirts and the teenagers dancing to Elvis or Carl Perkins rock and roll music at the sock hop, really didn't start until 54/55.  The early 50s were more like the 40s.  And our idea of the "50s" really ran into the mid 60s.

And what we think of as the "groovy 60s" was really more like mid 60s into the early 70s.  And so on.  So what we think of as the 80s persisted in large part into the early 90s.

Beyond that, those trends are really defined more by the "kid cultures" of the era.  Adults tend to hit their 20s and then sort of... stay the same.  They tend to stick with certain music and are less open to newer music, they tend to not follow new fashion trends as closely, and when they do adopt new cultural themes, they adopt much slower.  On the other hand, kids tend to be the vanguard of the ever-changing culture.

With that as a basis, Seinfeld was a thoroughly adult show.  It really never had any kids nor any kid-related themes.  Its characters were all adults into their 30s, mostly in professional(ish) careers, doing adult-y things in adult-y ways.  So as an adult show, grounded culturally in the 80s, it never really picked up the culture of the 90s.  It was conceived in the 80s and started as an 80s show, and remained that way throughout its run.

That's just my hypothesis and my opinion of course.
Vis-a-vis decades:

I think that what we think of as the Roaring 20's was actually less than a decade.  IIRC, there was a bit of an economic downturn at the end of WWI so the "Roaring" didn't really get started until later in the 20's.  Then it ended suddenly in late 1929 with the Stock Market Crash.  

The 30's are The Great Depression and that was basically from the stock market crash in 1929 until Military Orders from Britain and France lifted us out of the recession of 1938ish.  

The 40's are WWII but I would include the immediate post-war era and even the Korean War (1951-1953).  That makes this a ~15 year "decade" from roughly the Munich Conference to the Korea Armistice.  

What we think of as the 50's, IMHO is basically from the end of Korea to the beginning of Vietnam so roughly 1953-1965.  

Defining the "beginning" of Vietnam isn't nearly as easy as it sounds.  The French were fighting Communists in what was then called French Indo-China even before WWII.  After WWII we were "involved" with the French* but our involvement was very limited.  Once the French pulled out, South Vietnam basically became an American dependent but even still out actual boots on the ground were limited to a few advisors.  Large numbers of American Combat Troops didn't start fighting and dying until after LBJ's election in 1964^.  I use that as the definition.  

What we think of as the 1960's, IMHO is basically the Vietnam era so roughly 1965-1974.  

I actually think that what we think of as the 70's was a REALLY short "decade" because even by 1979 most of the music has a very "80's" feel to it.  

With that as a basis, Seinfeld was a thoroughly adult show.  It really never had any kids nor any kid-related themes.  Its characters were all adults into their 30s, mostly in professional(ish) careers, doing adult-y things in adult-y ways.  So as an adult show, grounded culturally in the 80s, it never really picked up the culture of the 90s.  It was conceived in the 80s and started as an 80s show, and remained that way throughout its run.
This is something I hadn't really considered before but it is an interesting point.  If Seinfeld had been about HS or college students it would have been influenced by AOL and the WWW because those things were becoming prevalent in the 1990's while the show was still on but since it was about, as you put it, adults "doing adult-y things in adult-y ways" that never came up.  








Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2025, 03:45:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xsijHHE.png)

I thought we should feature some cool graphics and data charts for @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) ....
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2025, 04:22:31 PM
Copied from Facebook, a building going up near us:



(https://i.imgur.com/pLmEesS.jpeg)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 22, 2025, 05:27:27 PM
Does anyone buy a car because some stadium is named after the make?

Anyone?

I understand a lot of advertising is simply to put the name out in public.  Buy Coke, it's wonderful, etc.
I would venture that no, there is no individual person who was not already thinking about buying a make of vehicle, sees the name of said make on a stadium, and then buys that make of vehicle. 

But... I don't know squat about "branding"; I'm an engineer. But with what I've been involved with work-wise very recently on top of what I've done over the last several years since changing roles... I accept that there are a LOT of people who think it's a pretty big deal. 

Branding is about creating a positive perception in the mind of the world / consumers / potential buyers about your company. Part of this (and one place stadium naming rights come in) is simply reminding them as often as possible that you exist. You're trying to gain as much "mind share" as possible. But also related to stadium naming rights is that you're trying to associate your brand with something that they already have an emotional attachment to--the team they cheer for who plays in that stadium, and/or the positive experiences they have in that stadium. 

I'd say that most luxury car brands aren't just selling a car; they're selling a lifestyle / image. Having their name on a ritzy stadium helps to build that image. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2025, 05:34:17 PM
I had occasion to rub shoulders a fair but with "marketers", MBAs all of them, working in "marketing".  I was assured that if "Tide" quite advertising, the brand would lose 90% of it's business in two years, if not more.  The purpose of ads was more to keep the name going, "brand awareness".  Tide Tide Tide.  We had some of the stupidest commercials on TV.

Most of them were pretty smart folks, so I imagine they are right.

I once was offered a transfer to go work downtown with them.  I thought it very peculiar though I was informed it would be a great career move for me.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on May 22, 2025, 05:59:55 PM
Those MBA dudes are total aholes.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 22, 2025, 06:06:45 PM
Those MBA dudes are total aholes.
I liked most of them that I dealt with, some became pretty good friends.



Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 22, 2025, 06:07:10 PM
We had some of the stupidest commercials on TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs3cjepwyEE
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on May 23, 2025, 07:45:01 AM
For the first time, scientists have observed a collection of particles, also known as a quasiparticle, that's massless when moving one direction but has mass in the other direction. The quasiparticle, called a semi-Dirac fermion, was first theorized 16 years ago, but was only recently spotted inside a crystal of semi-metal material called ZrSiS. The observation of the quasiparticle opens the door to future advances in a range of emerging technologies from batteries to sensors, according to the researchers.
The team, led by scientists at Penn State and Columbia University, recently published their discovery in the journal Physical Review X.
“This was totally unexpected,” said Yinming Shao professor of physics at Penn State and lead author on the paper. “We weren’t even looking for a semi-Dirac fermion when we started working with this material, but we were seeing signatures we didn’t understand — and it turns out we had made the first observation of these wild quasiparticles that sometimes move like they have mass and sometimes move like they have none.”
A particle can have no mass when its energy is entirely derived from its motion, meaning it is essentially pure energy traveling at the speed of light. For example, a photon or particle of light is considered massless because it moves at light speed. According to Albert Einstein’s theory of special relativity, anything traveling at the speed of light cannot have mass. In solid materials, the collective behavior of many particles, also known as quasiparticles, can have different behavior than the individual particles, which in this case gave rise to particles having mass in only one direction.
Semi-Dirac fermions were first theorized in 2008 and 2009 by several teams of researchers, including scientists from the Université Paris Sud in France and the University of California, Davis. The theorists predicted there could be quasiparticles with mass-shifting properties depending on their direction of movement — that they would appear massless in one direction but have mass when moving in another direction.
Sixteen years later, Shao and his collaborators accidentally observed the hypothetical quasiparticles through a method called magneto-optical spectroscopy.


Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on May 23, 2025, 07:53:49 AM
 “We weren’t even looking for a semi-Dirac fermion when we started working with this material, but we were seeing signatures we didn’t understand — and it turns out we had made the first observation of these wild quasiparticles that sometimes move like they have mass and sometimes move like they have none.”
Same with me, I found some laying around during a recent hike.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on May 26, 2025, 09:44:46 AM
Lucky us the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile is in Town after appearing at the Wienie 500 at Indianapolis Motor Speedway this past week end
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 27, 2025, 11:18:44 AM
Question for those of you who have kids recently off to college or soon to be so...

Hiring a "college admissions consultant" is absolute bullshit, right? 

My ex heard about some lady offering this [high-priced, of course] service from another parent, and it appears to be a sort of cottage industry. I told her I think it's bullshit and I don't agree with it, and won't pay for it.  

To me, it looks like a way for someone to separate fearful parents from their money. You know, the sort of "If you don't pay this, your child won't get into college, will become a failure, and will likely end up in jail. But if you DO pay this, your child just MIGHT go to Harvard and be President one day. Don't you care enough about your child to spend?"

I'm not inclined to agree, personally. My son has straight A's with [now] 6 AP classes completed through 3 years. He's been a 3-year member of the golf team. He has a job, which he balances successfully with school and work--and his job is being a math tutor at Mathnasium, so that will look PRETTY good on a college app--for an aspiring STEM student. He's a bit light on the volunteering, which he's trying to do more this summer, but no consultant will fix that. He's a decent writer for 17, but I'm pretty sure when it comes to an essay, I can help him. I'd say my writing skills are better than most, considering my job involves a tremendous amount of technical writing. 

He's not trying to go Ivy League for pre-med or pre-law. He's also not trying to "find himself" or figure out what he wants to study. He's trying to go to large state schools for Nuclear Engineering. He's already got his list of schools, prioritized in order. It's not like it's hard to find out how to apply or know the deadlines. And he's so freakin' self-motivated that I don't think staying on top of those deadlines will be a problem. 

But... Am I in the wrong here?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on May 27, 2025, 11:20:49 AM
Don't pay for that "service" because it's BS.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: bayareabadger on May 27, 2025, 11:26:38 AM
Question for those of you who have kids recently off to college or soon to be so...

Hiring a "college admissions consultant" is absolute bullshit, right?

My ex heard about some lady offering this [high-priced, of course] service from another parent, and it appears to be a sort of cottage industry. I told her I think it's bullshit and I don't agree with it, and won't pay for it. 

To me, it looks like a way for someone to separate fearful parents from their money. You know, the sort of "If you don't pay this, your child won't get into college, will become a failure, and will likely end up in jail. But if you DO pay this, your child just MIGHT go to Harvard and be President one day. Don't you care enough about your child to spend?"

I'm not inclined to agree, personally. My son has straight A's with [now] 6 AP classes completed through 3 years. He's been a 3-year member of the golf team. He has a job, which he balances successfully with school and work--and his job is being a math tutor at Mathnasium, so that will look PRETTY good on a college app--for an aspiring STEM student. He's a bit light on the volunteering, which he's trying to do more this summer, but no consultant will fix that. He's a decent writer for 17, but I'm pretty sure when it comes to an essay, I can help him. I'd say my writing skills are better than most, considering my job involves a tremendous amount of technical writing.

He's not trying to go Ivy League for pre-med or pre-law. He's also not trying to "find himself" or figure out what he wants to study. He's trying to go to large state schools for Nuclear Engineering. He's already got his list of schools, prioritized in order. It's not like it's hard to find out how to apply or know the deadlines. And he's so freakin' self-motivated that I don't think staying on top of those deadlines will be a problem.

But... Am I in the wrong here?

If someone has the money and wants to buy that feeling, they can sure go for it.

Will it make more than a smidgen of difference for most kids? Highly doubtful.
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Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2025, 11:27:30 AM
Ed Zachery
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Post by: bayareabadger on May 27, 2025, 11:51:49 AM
One of my favorite moments of that process was when admissions person at the University of Washington accidentally admitted that they don’t care about the essay at all.

It was also funny, They treated me really well because I had a good but not unbelievable GPA and I think they were trying to recruit out of state money.
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Post by: FearlessF on May 27, 2025, 11:56:13 AM
probably similar to tutoring for the SAT 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 27, 2025, 12:37:00 PM
Question for those of you who have kids recently off to college or soon to be so...

Hiring a "college admissions consultant" is absolute bullshit, right?

My ex heard about some lady offering this [high-priced, of course] service from another parent, and it appears to be a sort of cottage industry. I told her I think it's bullshit and I don't agree with it, and won't pay for it. 

To me, it looks like a way for someone to separate fearful parents from their money. You know, the sort of "If you don't pay this, your child won't get into college, will become a failure, and will likely end up in jail. But if you DO pay this, your child just MIGHT go to Harvard and be President one day. Don't you care enough about your child to spend?"

I'm not inclined to agree, personally. My son has straight A's with [now] 6 AP classes completed through 3 years. He's been a 3-year member of the golf team. He has a job, which he balances successfully with school and work--and his job is being a math tutor at Mathnasium, so that will look PRETTY good on a college app--for an aspiring STEM student. He's a bit light on the volunteering, which he's trying to do more this summer, but no consultant will fix that. He's a decent writer for 17, but I'm pretty sure when it comes to an essay, I can help him. I'd say my writing skills are better than most, considering my job involves a tremendous amount of technical writing.

He's not trying to go Ivy League for pre-med or pre-law. He's also not trying to "find himself" or figure out what he wants to study. He's trying to go to large state schools for Nuclear Engineering. He's already got his list of schools, prioritized in order. It's not like it's hard to find out how to apply or know the deadlines. And he's so freakin' self-motivated that I don't think staying on top of those deadlines will be a problem.

But... Am I in the wrong here?

The only value I can realistically see in something like that would be well before applications are going out.  As in, someone who would advise students/their parents to join more clubs, do more volunteering, don't let your GPA slip below this level, etc.  But even that is all stuff you can easily find out for yourself, as you point out.  By the time a kid is a senior shopping around for schools, I can't see following the advice of a consultant, no matter how good, making any significant impact in that timeframe.  

There are people who may benefit from something like that, but I don't see you as being one of them.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on May 27, 2025, 09:51:49 PM
We need a consultant to advise on whether we need a college consultant. 
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Post by: FearlessF on May 28, 2025, 08:15:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/w8SrwlV.png)
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Post by: utee94 on May 28, 2025, 09:14:57 AM
Do condiments count as toppings?

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Post by: FearlessF on May 28, 2025, 09:31:50 AM
not sure, it's silly that "beef" needs to be mentioned
and a great burger doesn't "need" any toppings or condiments a tall
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Post by: utee94 on May 28, 2025, 09:37:26 AM
not sure, it's silly that "beef" needs to be mentioned
and a great burger doesn't "need" any toppings or condiments a tall

Word.

I like all kinds of burgers-- mushroom and swiss, cheddar and bacon, I'm good with pretty much anything except pickles.

The way I usually order at Whataburger-- cheeseburger with American cheese, mustard, grilled onions, grilled jalapenos, and sometimes bacon.

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Post by: FearlessF on May 28, 2025, 09:59:36 AM
most of the burgers I cook at home have just salt & pepper - if I don't have an onion - I will sauté some onion if it's available
Gonna be cheese if it's in the house
most times, no bun or bread 

a pickle on the side is good

Condiments if I'm feeling some extra flavor......... hot sauce, salsa, mustard, horseradish, steak sauce, BBQ sauce 
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Post by: SFBadger96 on May 28, 2025, 12:01:55 PM
The only value I can realistically see in something like that would be well before applications are going out.  As in, someone who would advise students/their parents to join more clubs, do more volunteering, don't let your GPA slip below this level, etc.  But even that is all stuff you can easily find out for yourself, as you point out.  By the time a kid is a senior shopping around for schools, I can't see following the advice of a consultant, no matter how good, making any significant impact in that timeframe. 

There are people who may benefit from something like that, but I don't see you as being one of them. 
I agree with the masses here; this is silly. BUT, for the kids who are competing for the top spots at the "top" private universities, there is probably some value to it. Those schools are much more competitive than they used to be. I think for the top UCs, (UCLA and Cal in particular), you just have to be real good--and get a reasonably lucky roll of the dice. If you want Stanford, MIT, CalTech...there might be an advantage to the college advisor. But that also feeds into the mania around this stuff. Look, if the boy doesn't get into MIT and has to "settle" for Purdue, Michigan, RIT, GaTech, Cal Poly SLO, etc., he's going to be just fine. Privileged parents put way to much crazy into an already crazy process.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 29, 2025, 07:27:00 AM
Stay at home son. Hmm.

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/stay-at-home-son-unemployment-jeopardy-c49a82bb?st=KwRECe&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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Post by: MrNubbz on May 29, 2025, 08:18:49 AM
not sure, it's silly that "beef" needs to be mentioned
and a great burger doesn't "need" any toppings or condiments a tall
Nope,you are wrong that's what makes them splendid and unique.Actually it's my preferred protein intake well that and slow roasted brats/sausages on the grill. Using different high-quality beef/Bison/chicken/turkey/veggie burger blends,variety of cheeses,bun types grilled/steamed or right out of the oven adding seperate ingredients like Worcestershire sauce or olive oil for moisture, grilling or pan frying and incorporating herbs for extra flavor. Toppings like red onion,sunnyside up egg,candied jalapenos,Celery and blue cheese dressing(got those out of Tase of Home) avocado dill pickle. Though the hamburger patties I make fall apart faster than some of the dates I've been on. So I get those at Costco or the local butcher.

I usually go with a Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold or the Edmund Fitzgerald Porter if you like anything zesty -  Bon Appetit Happy Hunting 
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Post by: FearlessF on May 29, 2025, 08:50:53 AM
that is great about burgers - you can easily satisfy your mood by adding condiments and toppings

while at Red Robin for lunch yesterday, I enjoyed the Royal burger - a thick beef patty on a fluffy bun and add crispy hardwood-smoked bacon, melty American cheese, lettuce, tomato, mayo and a hot sunnyside up egg sprinkled with Red Robin seasoning
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Post by: MrNubbz on May 29, 2025, 08:53:57 AM
Should have went with with New York Sharp Chedder ALDI's has the best I've had wrapped in like a waxed bag
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Post by: FearlessF on May 29, 2025, 09:03:19 AM
I'll let the young ladies at Red Robin know about ALDI's - the hostess and my server had no idear it was national burger day yesterday
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Post by: FearlessF on May 30, 2025, 09:03:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8722KtN.png)
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Post by: FearlessF on May 30, 2025, 09:04:42 AM
depends on the day - but, my 6 iron isn't my favorite club
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Post by: SFBadger96 on May 30, 2025, 12:32:56 PM
That's a well done either/or. $500,000 is a lot of money, but $5M is never work again money. I think I'd still take the $500K. I've hit plenty of good 6-irons in my life, but I've also hit plenty of bad ones. Sometimes 3 in a row.
There's a part of me that knows I could hit that shot. And there's a big part of me that knows it's not easy, even with three tries.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on May 30, 2025, 12:40:25 PM
Yeah, it's hard... $500K would go a LONG damn way to reaching some of my current goals. $5M would mean financial security in any possible case. 

And I *know* I can hit that shot, yeah. I also know that my odds of doing it are a lot lower than 1 in 3. 
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Post by: utee94 on May 30, 2025, 12:42:57 PM
I'm certain I can not hit that shot.  Easy choice for me, thanks for the 500K.

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Post by: FearlessF on May 30, 2025, 12:46:15 PM
$500K can buy a lifetime of golf equipment and green fees w/cart
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Post by: FearlessF on May 30, 2025, 12:48:34 PM
taking the vette for a schooner of Coors banquet and a Charlie boy before heading to the golf course for a 2:07 tee time!

FORE!!!
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on May 30, 2025, 12:59:49 PM
As a non-golfer, thanks for the $500k.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on May 30, 2025, 01:25:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8722KtN.png)

No-brainer.  I don't golf and probably couldn't hit that if you gave me 50 shots.  Thanks for the 500k, sucker.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 30, 2025, 02:02:17 PM
$500K would tip it in for me. I'll take it.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on May 31, 2025, 09:14:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/cJUbbvf.png)
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Post by: MrNubbz on June 01, 2025, 06:28:16 PM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/remember-when/2025/05/156373/remember-when-college-football-playoff-system-idea-rejected-by-woody-hayes-and-others-in-1975

Remember When: College Football Playoff System Idea Rejected By Woody Hayes and Others in 1975

Hayes thought a playoff system would hurt other bowl games:

"A playoff for the national championship would hurt the bowl games. And that's not good, because many teams wouldn't normally get anywhere or go in the bowl games.

"The national championship is won right there on the football field during the bowl games. It was won in the last two minutes in the Rose Bowl by John McKay and his team. That's the way it should be."
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Post by: FearlessF on June 02, 2025, 09:29:03 AM
After glamorizing tobacco for decades, France is preparing for its most sweeping smoking ban yet. The new restrictions, announced by Health Minister Catherine Vautrin, will outlaw smoking in virtually all outdoor public areas where children may gather, including beaches, parks, gardens, playgrounds, sports venues, school entrances and bus stops.

“Tobacco must disappear where there are children,” Vautrin told French media. The freedom to smoke “stops where children’s right to breathe clean air starts."

If Vautrin’s law reflects public health priorities, it also signals a deeper cultural shift. Smoking has defined identity, fashion and cinema here for so long that the new measure feels like a quiet French revolution in a country whose relationship with tobacco is famously complex.

According to France’s League Against Cancer, over 90 percent of French films from 2015 to 2019 featured smoking scenes — more than double the rate in Hollywood productions. Each French movie averaged nearly three minutes of on-screen smoking, effectively the same exposure as six 30-second television ads.
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2025, 09:39:05 AM
...and that's just the kids' movies!
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Post by: utee94 on June 02, 2025, 09:43:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/U7cbKK5.png)
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Post by: ELA on June 02, 2025, 11:32:29 AM
Heard a podcast say that since Scottie Scheffler won his first PGA event in 2022, he has won 21% of the events he has entered, which is higher than the Carolina Panthers' winning percentage during that same period of time
He has the same number of wins since May 2 as the Colorado Rockies.  3
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 02, 2025, 12:45:04 PM
Scottie is a machine.
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Post by: utee94 on June 02, 2025, 12:57:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kE7llMX.png)
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 02, 2025, 12:59:02 PM
The Rockies saw what the White Sox did last year and said 'hold my craft beer.'
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 02, 2025, 01:17:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kE7llMX.png)

How many years did he play there?
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Post by: utee94 on June 02, 2025, 01:20:55 PM
How many years did he play there?
Four years, graduated with a degree in Finance from the well-respected McCombs School of Business.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 02, 2025, 01:37:16 PM
That's what I thought. Not all of those guys stick it out. Spieth comes to mind.
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Post by: utee94 on June 02, 2025, 01:43:56 PM
That's what I thought. Not all of those guys stick it out. Spieth comes to mind.
And Tiger Woods.


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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 02, 2025, 01:46:04 PM
For some reason I thought he stayed the 4 at Stanford.
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Post by: utee94 on June 02, 2025, 01:50:56 PM
For some reason I thought he stayed the 4 at Stanford.
Nope.  But I can't blame any of them for leaving early with millions of dollars in their immediate future.

Like I've always said, if someone had wanted to pay me millions to leave school and become an engineer for them, I'd have done it instantly.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 02, 2025, 01:58:30 PM
For sure.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 02, 2025, 02:32:41 PM
Yep. You'd have to be all the way down at 88th on the 2024 money list to be below $1M in winnings. 

Granted, that doesn't count caddie, travel, lodging, the bevy of swing/mental/nutrition/trainer coaches you pay for, etc etc. But it also doesn't count anything you earn from sponsors, media/appearances, etc. 

Not a bad gig if you can be one of the 100 best in the world at something :57:
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Post by: FearlessF on June 02, 2025, 03:17:20 PM
good luck
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 02, 2025, 07:22:55 PM
good luck
Scheffler need not worry. 

I was out in my backyard hitting station a few minutes ago just DESPERATELY trying not to tap the foam roller I'd set up just outside my path on the takeaway, doing a drill. 

I could barely manage that about 40% of the time. 

That said, if my SON starts getting into Scheff territory, I could make a PRETTY penny caddying for him. As of right now in 2025, Scheff's caddy would be 70th on the 2025 PGA Tour money list :57:
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Post by: FearlessF on June 02, 2025, 07:34:46 PM
I'd have made a decent caddy in my youth

seems as though that job wouldn't suck
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 02, 2025, 07:46:33 PM
I'd have made a decent caddy in my youth

seems as though that job wouldn't suck
I did it for a year when I was 13, because it was illegal in Illinois to do any other jobs (other than working for your parents) until you're 14. 

It's not a glamorous job. 

I wouldn't do that job today unless it was literally attached to a major star golfer, where you'd be making mid-high six figures every year, if not >$1M like Scheff's caddy. I have a better option. 
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Post by: utee94 on June 02, 2025, 07:55:14 PM
I did it for a year when I was 13, because it was illegal in Illinois to do any other jobs (other than working for your parents) until you're 14.

It's not a glamorous job.

Lucky bloody you.  I was working at my family's restaurant for zero dollars when I was 9 years old.
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Post by: FearlessF on June 02, 2025, 08:17:46 PM
I did it for a year when I was 13, because it was illegal in Illinois to do any other jobs (other than working for your parents) until you're 14.

It's not a glamorous job.

I wouldn't do that job today unless it was literally attached to a major star golfer, where you'd be making mid-high six figures every year, if not >$1M like Scheff's caddy. I have a better option.
yup. maybe not a major star, but a tour pro making most cuts
not for tips at club
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 03, 2025, 08:28:36 AM
I've got two bum shoulders right now, so I can't mow my lawn. There's a kid across the street that I'd like to hire to do it, but I have no idea what the going rate is. It's not the whole yard, just two small 10'x20' patches of grass; one out front and one out back. You can knock out both in less than ten minutes. Would ten bucks be a fair price? Or would he just point and laugh? 
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Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2025, 08:38:38 AM
I'm old, I think 10 bucks would be fair
young folks prefer $20
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2025, 09:01:09 AM
Here it comes.

Buc-ee’s coming to Port Charlotte as part of major development (https://www.gulfshorebusiness.com/zoning-approval-paves-the-way-for-southwest-floridas-first-buc-ees/)
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Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2025, 09:08:35 AM
you lucky sumbum
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Post by: Gigem on June 03, 2025, 09:27:46 AM
Nope.  But I can't blame any of them for leaving early with millions of dollars in their immediate future.

Like I've always said, if someone had wanted to pay me millions to leave school and become an engineer ________ for them, I'd have done it instantly.
FIFY
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Post by: Gigem on June 03, 2025, 09:30:54 AM
Here it comes.

Buc-ee’s coming to Port Charlotte as part of major development (https://www.gulfshorebusiness.com/zoning-approval-paves-the-way-for-southwest-floridas-first-buc-ees/)
It's funny, because people are always telling me how much they hate Buc-Ees and then I realize it's the big ones they hate.  I don't care for the really big ones either, but I love the small and medium size Buc-Ees.  
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on June 03, 2025, 09:38:12 AM
I don't get the love or hate either way.  It's a gas station with clean restrooms that's trying to be a small Walmart.  Doesn't move my needle one way or the other.  
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Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2025, 09:39:46 AM
Ed Zachery
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Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 03, 2025, 09:52:41 AM
If you are looking for a clean restroom on a road trip, drive past the rest stops, gas stations and fast food restaurants, and use the one in the hotel lobby instead. You're welcome.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 03, 2025, 09:56:06 AM
If you are looking for a clean restroom on a road trip, drive past the rest stops, gas stations and fast food restaurants, and use the one in the hotel lobby instead. You're welcome.
CVS and Walgreen's.
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Post by: utee94 on June 03, 2025, 09:58:21 AM
It's funny, because people are always telling me how much they hate Buc-Ees and then I realize it's the big ones they hate.  I don't care for the really big ones either, but I love the small and medium size Buc-Ees. 
I like the big ones because they have large spread-out gas pumps that are easy to access whilst towing my RV.  Also typically have large, easy driveways for entrance and egress.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on June 03, 2025, 11:50:15 AM
Lately I occasionally get calls from "Comcast Xfinity" informing me that if I don't call them back to resolve an issue, my 50% discount will be nullified.  

I don't have any Comcast/Xfinity services, and if I did, they probably wouldn't give me a 50% discount.  Delete.  

I hate scammers.  A different sort got my mom a few months back and they got her on some kind of "anti-virus update" scam.  Fortunately we were able to freeze her accounts and they didn't get anything from her, but it's been a hot mess ever since getting everything squared away.  I caught my grandma talking to scammers on the phone several years back and I took it away from her and hung it up, then had a talk with her about what kind of stuff to look out for, and how her son basically handles all her business now anyway so she really has no reason to have those conversations, legitimate or otherwise.  

Scamming elderly people should incur the death penalty.  
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Post by: Gigem on June 03, 2025, 11:55:06 AM
https://twitter.com/_mgde_/status/1929729091894128718?s=46&t=EHozF964Pc_xZmTZKPCcEA
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 03, 2025, 12:06:11 PM
https://twitter.com/_mgde_/status/1929729091894128718?s=46&t=EHozF964Pc_xZmTZKPCcEA
Good god that makes me feel old.  

It is bad enough that Prince's 1999 has now been around longer since NYE 2000 than it was before 2000 but the fact that we are closer to 2050 . . .
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 03, 2025, 12:10:38 PM
Lately I occasionally get calls from "Comcast Xfinity" informing me that if I don't call them back to resolve an issue, my 50% discount will be nullified. 

I don't have any Comcast/Xfinity services, and if I did, they probably wouldn't give me a 50% discount.  Delete. 

I hate scammers.  A different sort got my mom a few months back and they got her on some kind of "anti-virus update" scam.  Fortunately we were able to freeze her accounts and they didn't get anything from her, but it's been a hot mess ever since getting everything squared away.  I caught my grandma talking to scammers on the phone several years back and I took it away from her and hung it up, then had a talk with her about what kind of stuff to look out for, and how her son basically handles all her business now anyway so she really has no reason to have those conversations, legitimate or otherwise. 

Scamming elderly people should incur the death penalty. 
I run monthly billing for about 8,000 customers.  When I first started one of our big challenges was matching up bounced checks to the accounts that they had been credited to.  This might sound easy but it can be very difficult.  If @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) pays his own bill then it is obviously easy.  You just look at the name on the check, find that in your system, and charge it back to him.  Where it gets messy is if @MikeDeTiger (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1588) writes a check to cover his daughter's boyfriend's account.  Then nothing matches.  Those were tricky.  

Anyway, these days NSF's (checks or ACH's bounced for non-sufficient funds) are not our big hassle.  Our big hassle is the volume of ACH transactions that bounce due either to the account being frozen or closed.  There is a LOT of fraud out there.  Every month we get an account or two frozen due to fraud.  
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Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2025, 12:32:08 PM
I suppose it's possible that I could make it to 2050
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Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2025, 12:33:31 PM
Scamming elderly people should incur the death penalty. 
Yup, publicly 
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Post by: jgvol on June 03, 2025, 12:35:43 PM
I like the big ones because they have large spread-out gas pumps that are easy to access whilst towing my RV.  Also typically have large, easy driveways for entrance and egress.


Me too.  Until my wife, and kids, get lost in there, and I'm delayed by 45 minutes --- and 60 bucks lighter.
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Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2025, 12:39:26 PM
There's a great reason to hate Bucees 
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Post by: Gigem on June 03, 2025, 12:54:31 PM
I suppose it's possible that I could make it to 2050
I would be 75. 

***shudders***
I just hope they have some advanced medicine to fix arthritis and hearing loss.  
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Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2025, 04:00:43 PM
I'd be 87
my goal is 85 currently
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Post by: ELA on June 03, 2025, 05:46:53 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterdavidj/status/1930002168951779577
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Post by: ELA on June 03, 2025, 05:48:14 PM
I'd be 87
my goal is 85 currently
I had a super vivid dream in 2nd grade that I saw my own gravestone, and I died at 83.  I'm not religious or superstitious, but I've felt pretty confident in 83 since I was 8 years old.  Granted at 41, I'd be pretty happy with 83
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 03, 2025, 05:58:56 PM
https://twitter.com/reporterdavidj/status/1930002168951779577
This probably belongs in the Cheater offseason thread since his exit was pretty clearly to get away from that catastrophe.  

That said, what now?  Does he stay at Michigan?  Like "Yeah, I tried to leave but Florida wouldn't take me so I'm still here but looking for an exit."  Awkward.  
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Post by: ELA on June 03, 2025, 06:05:22 PM
Michigan's academic side pushed him out, he can't go back.  Florida barely has an academic side, and still didn't want him.  Hopefully the Chargers hire him for something, otherwise he destroyed his career to protect one guy, who then didn't have his back
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Post by: FearlessF on June 03, 2025, 11:41:03 PM
Central Michigan Chippewas???
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2025, 03:43:07 AM
Michigan's academic side pushed him out, he can't go back.  Florida barely has an academic side, and still didn't want him.  Hopefully the Chargers hire him for something, otherwise he destroyed his career to protect one guy, who then didn't have his back
Florida is an AAU member and is a great school.
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Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2025, 08:31:57 AM
apparently too great for him
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Post by: ELA on June 04, 2025, 08:47:07 AM
Florida is an AAU member and is a great school.
I mean as far as that pushes back against the athletic side of things.  Yes, it's a great school.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2025, 08:56:57 AM
I think they are more selective than most SEC schools when it comes to admission of athletes in the past ten years. 

That's what I've heard, anyway. Might explain the falloff a bit.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2025, 08:57:12 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/OzNuSRX.png)
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Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2025, 08:59:29 AM
funny lookin dumplings but, I'd love 'em
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2025, 09:06:21 AM
Very Bavarian.
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 09:19:49 AM
Two from Slovakia and nothing from France?

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/4e215c1e47571e792c6d5a3660a9893e/tumblr_ni5iblh9cA1ttapp7o1_400.gif)

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Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2025, 09:20:54 AM
don't know how authentic it was but had the Irish stew at McKinney's pub last night
the lamb was awesome

(https://i.imgur.com/D9DgnOR.jpeg)
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 09:21:41 AM
Shiner glass.  Solid.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2025, 09:24:20 AM
Two from Slovakia and nothing from France?

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/4e215c1e47571e792c6d5a3660a9893e/tumblr_ni5iblh9cA1ttapp7o1_400.gif)


No Italy either.
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Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2025, 09:25:46 AM
Harp Ale in the glass
I had a glass of Shiner at the previous stop before I learned Mexican beers at the Tavern on the Ave were $1 off on Tuesday
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2025, 09:38:49 AM
I would be 75.

***shudders***
I just hope they have some advanced medicine to fix arthritis and hearing loss
I'd be a mere 71.

But at 46, I'm hoping someone figures out how to fix the tinnitus I already have. 
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2025, 09:41:30 AM
I'd be a mere 71.

But at 46, I'm hoping someone figures out how to fix the tinnitus I already have.

Mine stopped when I quit caffeine.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2025, 09:49:26 AM
Mine stopped when I quit caffeine.
Huh. Guess I'm living with tinnitus forever, then. 
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on June 04, 2025, 09:51:31 AM
One does not simply quit coffee.  
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Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2025, 09:52:25 AM
I could, if I had a decent reason
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Post by: jgvol on June 04, 2025, 10:11:13 AM
Fondue?  Overrated at hell.

That Slovakian Farmer's Plate look nice though.
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 10:15:37 AM
I love fondue.  But around here we just call it chile con queso.
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Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2025, 10:18:42 AM
my brother does fondue on Xmas eve
It's OK, once a year
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Post by: jgvol on June 04, 2025, 10:34:37 AM
I love fondue.  But around here we just call it chile con queso.

LOL.  I like it.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2025, 10:37:20 AM
I'm disappointed that Sauerbraten is not on that list.
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Post by: jgvol on June 04, 2025, 10:38:50 AM
Some Fondue restaurant was all the rage around here 10-15 years ago.

Went, it sucked, and was ridiculously expensive.  I did drink 2 Arrogant Bastards while there.  First time I had one, and probably the last.  2 bottles lit my ass up.

Anyway, the fondue portions were laughable -- appetizer qty maybe.

I stopped for a Big Mac on the way home, after dropping $150 on puddles of heated cheese.  What a rip off.


(https://i.imgur.com/qgz5psk.png)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 04, 2025, 10:40:44 AM
Melting Pot? Those were all over the place.
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Post by: jgvol on June 04, 2025, 10:42:11 AM
Melting Pot? Those were all over the place.

That's it.  F that joint.  LOL
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2025, 10:48:22 AM
Arrogant Bastard Ale was one of my first true forays into craft beer... I was always a more adventurous beer drinker than the typical college student, but didn't really get TOO deep in the "microbreweries" of that day. And then after college slipped into just drinking lots of Miller Lite. 

I think around 2003-2004 I started drinking Arrogant Bastard and a couple of other things, and then it just obviously exploded from there. 

That was a good beer. 
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 10:53:58 AM
Arrogant Bastard, way too hoppy.  Typical American west coast crap.  But the blurb on the back of the bottle always made me laugh.


Quote
This is an aggressive beer. You probably won’t like it. It is quite doubtful that you have the taste or sophistication to be able to appreciate an ale of this quality and depth. We would suggest that you stick to safer and more familiar territory—maybe something with a multimillion-dollar ad campaign aimed at convincing you it’s made at an independent brewery, or one that implies that their tasteless fizzy yellow beer will give you more sex appeal. Perhaps you think multimillion-dollar ad campaigns make all that junk taste better. Perhaps you’re mouthing your words as you read this.

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Post by: MikeDeTiger on June 04, 2025, 11:01:50 AM
Some Fondue restaurant was all the rage around here 10-15 years ago.

Went, it sucked, and was ridiculously expensive. 

Went to a Fondue restaurant once, in Austin.  Had about the same experience.  I didn't really know what Fondue was, but some chick wanted me to take her.  Expensive for what it was, and a lot of it sucked.  As with most Austin restaurants, the vibe was cool, tho.  

Never had even the slightest hankering to do that again.  
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Post by: jgvol on June 04, 2025, 11:02:22 AM
Arrogant Bastard Ale was one of my first true forays into craft beer... I was always a more adventurous beer drinker than the typical college student, but didn't really get TOO deep in the "microbreweries" of that day. And then after college slipped into just drinking lots of Miller Lite.

I think around 2003-2004 I started drinking Arrogant Bastard and a couple of other things, and then it just obviously exploded from there.

That was a good beer.


I liked it, too.  Wasn't familiar with it, and two 22 oz bottles later, it had kicked me in the pants.  A welcome surprise!
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 11:04:04 AM
We have a Melting Pot in Austin, I've been a couple of times.  It's okay.  Definitely super-pricey for what you get.

A large bowl of queso at Enchiladas y Mas is only $7.  Much better deal.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2025, 11:06:39 AM
Arrogant Bastard, way too hoppy.  Typical American west coast crap.  But the blurb on the back of the bottle always made me laugh.
"Typical"? 

Much of what Stone was doing at the time was pushing the envelope with atypical beers. 

A lot of those beers became typical when breweries saw the success of Stone and copied from them. 

Now, they obviously don't deserve all the credit. San Diego breweries at the time was already popularizing IPA--and Vinnie Cilurzo (now at Russian River) had already invented the "double IPA" before Stone even opened. 

But Stone became the biggest and most well-known, on the backs of beers like Arrogant Bastard, Ruination IPA, etc. 

You may not like them, but they were anything but "typical" in those days. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 11:07:13 AM
My wife likes fondue, I think she has, or had, a fondue set somewhere.  We went to a MP once, I agree with the above, it was "OK", but I felt like I was paying to cook my own food.  There is one in walking distance of us here but we've never been.  

The beef seared in hot oil was OK.  I am not especially fond of the do.
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 11:16:44 AM
"Typical"?

Much of what Stone was doing at the time was pushing the envelope with atypical beers.

A lot of those beers became typical when breweries saw the success of Stone and copied from them.

Now, they obviously don't deserve all the credit. San Diego breweries at the time was already popularizing IPA--and Vinnie Cilurzo (now at Russian River) had already invented the "double IPA" before Stone even opened.

But Stone became the biggest and most well-known, on the backs of beers like Arrogant Bastard, Ruination IPA, etc.

You may not like them, but they were anything but "typical" in those days.

Sierra Nevada had been making hoppy ales since 1980.  And I bring it up, because it was the first West Coast import ale you could find in Texas, and it formed the prototypical ideal of what a West Coast beer was going to be like.  Sure, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale wasn't as brutally over-hopped and bitter as beers that followed it, but neither was Arrogant Bastard.  Still, both were far more over-hopped than the typical domestics or imports available at the time.  Anything using c-hops was going to have that characteristic.

So when I say "typical" I mean it was just more of the same.  From an outsider's perspective there was nothing particularly interesting going on in San Diego or the West Coast in general, it was just each brewer's attempt to out-bitter one another.  No thanks.

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Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 11:29:17 AM
I agree, I saw the same thing with zinfandels, every wine maker tried to "top the previous alcohol" levels, some were over 18%.  It was a game to make unbalanced "wines".

Fads.  We saw the same thing with chardonnay, how buttery and oaky could they get?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2025, 11:45:30 AM
Sierra Nevada had been making hoppy ales since 1980.  And I bring it up, because it was the first West Coast import ale you could find in Texas, and it formed the prototypical ideal of what a West Coast beer was going to be like.  Sure, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale wasn't as brutally over-hopped and bitter as beers that followed it, but neither was Arrogant Bastard.  Still, both were far more over-hopped than the typical domestics or imports available at the time.  Anything using c-hops was going to have that characteristic.
Of course there's a lot of nuance to the history.  

SNPA isn't even an IPA, by alcohol content or by IBUs. But its tradition was different. The use of crystal malts to provide sweetness to balance the hops was the characteristic that defined American Pale Ale. The amber hues are something you won't find in a modern "West Coast IPA". The characteristic Cascade hop character, providing both bitterness and aroma, I'll agree was completely different than most of what you'd see at the time. And I'll agree that to an extent, it was ONE of the beers that kicked off the American (and West Coast) trend towards a lot of hops. But in SNPA, the malt character is as big a part of the story as the hops.

Even for their bigger beer, Bigfoot Ale, they assuredly had plenty of hops in there, but they amped up the sweetness to, into what's called a barleywine. 

But that doesn't mean that what happened later was "typical" just because SNPA existed and was popular. 

The tradition down in San Diego, which IMHO is what ends up defining the "West Coast IPA", is different. They not only amped up the hops, but they dialed back the malt to be the bare minimum needed to support the hops. The level of crystal malt in SNPA won't be found in anything labeled "West Coast IPA" today. The beers are much more pale, dry, and crisp. The beers are much more bitter. The level of dry-hopping for aroma is much more pronounced. West Coast IPAs are not about malt and hops--they're about hops. You can of course screw them up if you don't get enough of a malt foundation to support the beer--but the malt is supposed to be secondary to the hops. 

And to an extent, the same was true with Arrogant Bastard. It was a very unique beer. Some people might have thought the intent was to be similar to a barleywine with the darker color, higher ABV, and hoppiness, but it sure as hell didn't drink like one. Much like the West Coast IPA, malt wasn't intended to bring in much sweetness in that beer. You certainly get the malt flavor coming through, but it intentionally drinks much more "dry" than a barleywine. 

The mere existence of SNPA as a "hoppy West Coast ale" prior to some of these beers doesn't change the fact that many of them were different and groundbreaking in their own way.
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Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2025, 11:50:34 AM
it was typical in Texas so............ it was typical
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on June 04, 2025, 11:50:58 AM
The beer thread is over there --> Big12 board
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 11:51:41 AM
Every thread, at its core, is a beer thread.
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 11:52:22 AM
Of course there's a lot of nuance to the history. 

SNPA isn't even an IPA, by alcohol content or by IBUs. But its tradition was different. The use of crystal malts to provide sweetness to balance the hops was the characteristic that defined American Pale Ale. The amber hues are something you won't find in a modern "West Coast IPA". The characteristic Cascade hop character, providing both bitterness and aroma, I'll agree was completely different than most of what you'd see at the time. And I'll agree that to an extent, it was ONE of the beers that kicked off the American (and West Coast) trend towards a lot of hops. But in SNPA, the malt character is as big a part of the story as the hops.

Even for their bigger beer, Bigfoot Ale, they assuredly had plenty of hops in there, but they amped up the sweetness to, into what's called a barleywine.

But that doesn't mean that what happened later was "typical" just because SNPA existed and was popular.

The tradition down in San Diego, which IMHO is what ends up defining the "West Coast IPA", is different. They not only amped up the hops, but they dialed back the malt to be the bare minimum needed to support the hops. The level of crystal malt in SNPA won't be found in anything labeled "West Coast IPA" today. The beers are much more pale, dry, and crisp. The beers are much more bitter. The level of dry-hopping for aroma is much more pronounced. West Coast IPAs are not about malt and hops--they're about hops. You can of course screw them up if you don't get enough of a malt foundation to support the beer--but the malt is supposed to be secondary to the hops.

And to an extent, the same was true with Arrogant Bastard. It was a very unique beer. Some people might have thought the intent was to be similar to a barleywine with the darker color, higher ABV, and hoppiness, but it sure as hell didn't drink like one. Much like the West Coast IPA, malt wasn't intended to bring in much sweetness in that beer. You certainly get the malt flavor coming through, but it intentionally drinks much more "dry" than a barleywine.

The mere existence of SNPA as a "hoppy West Coast ale" prior to some of these beers doesn't change the fact that many of them were different and groundbreaking in their own way.
As I clarified in my second paragraph, these "differences" were really only apparent to the hops/bitter fanbois.  People with more balanced tastes weren't going to like ANY of them.  The race to out-bitter one another was of no interest to those of us who didn't like the bitter hops to begin with.
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 11:53:40 AM
it was typical in Texas so............ it was typical
Texas, Minnesota, Florida, New Mexico, and every other place not named California that I traveled to between about 1992 and 1999.
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 11:56:46 AM
I still like Sam Adams just fine, I preferred their Ale, which seems to have disappeared.

But their lager is fine for me.

Those are my two favorite kinds of beer.
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 12:09:12 PM
Sam Adams has some seasonals that I like.

For a long time it was not unusual for Sam Adams Boston Lager to be the only non-Bud/Miller/Coors beer at airport bars.  That was always disappointing to me.  I'd just drink a gin and tonic or something when that was the case.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 04, 2025, 12:35:48 PM
Those are my two favorite kinds of beer.
My favorite kind of beer is free.  
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2025, 12:50:48 PM
I agree, I saw the same thing with zinfandels, every wine maker tried to "top the previous alcohol" levels, some were over 18%.  It was a game to make unbalanced "wines".

Fads.  We saw the same thing with chardonnay, how buttery and oaky could they get?
As I clarified in my second paragraph, these "differences" were really only apparent to the hops/bitter fanbois.  People with more balanced tastes weren't going to like ANY of them.  The race to out-bitter one another was of no interest to those of us who didn't like the bitter hops to begin with.
Getting to something more general, it seems to me that bitterness is far less of a "fad" than some other things. Obviously in beer that's IPA... But who would have EVERY thought that crushingly bitter beer would resonate the way it does? It seems to certainly not be a fad. 

And IMHO what we're seeing more widely is a societal pivot away from sweet and more towards bitter. It feels--to me anyway--that we're seeing a resurgence of bitterness. Pushing towards dark chocolate, robust coffee, use of bitter ingredients like certain greens in salad (as opposed to iceberg lettuce), more bitter vegetables like Brussels sprouts, bigger ingredients like lemon zest, etc...

I think there are some people who may just NOT like bitterness at all--I suspect that @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) might be one. Just as there are some people who do NOT like spicy food at all. 

But are we seeing more widespread tolerance to--and even affinity for--bitterness?
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Post by: FearlessF on June 04, 2025, 12:52:46 PM
I enjoy the bitterness of Guinness 
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Post by: Gigem on June 04, 2025, 12:54:11 PM
Today I learned....


How Uncultured I am.  

But, I really already knew this.  I just drink american macro-swill beer.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 12:55:28 PM
I'd call vying for more and more bitterness is a fad.  Maybe it sticks for a while, maybe a few folks pretend to like it.  To me, it's a fad even if it persists for years.

I enjoy balanced IPAs just fine, but not the silly ones.  I enjoy a decent zinfandel, but not the silly ones.  I view the folks who try and find more and more bitter IPAs as "fadish", braggarts, just folks who claim to like hotter and hotter peppers, it's to them some mark of, well, faddishness, uniqueness, they claim to "LIKE" super hot peppers when in reality they don't, except they think it makes them look special.

Fad.
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 01:10:45 PM
Getting to something more general, it seems to me that bitterness is far less of a "fad" than some other things. Obviously in beer that's IPA... But who would have EVERY thought that crushingly bitter beer would resonate the way it does? It seems to certainly not be a fad.

And IMHO what we're seeing more widely is a societal pivot away from sweet and more towards bitter. It feels--to me anyway--that we're seeing a resurgence of bitterness. Pushing towards dark chocolate, robust coffee, use of bitter ingredients like certain greens in salad (as opposed to iceberg lettuce), more bitter vegetables like Brussels sprouts, bigger ingredients like lemon zest, etc...

I think there are some people who may just NOT like bitterness at all--I suspect that @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) might be one. Just as there are some people who do NOT like spicy food at all.

But are we seeing more widespread tolerance to--and even affinity for--bitterness?
It's an interesting question.  And I'll comment that I definitely don't think IPAs are a fad.


Sticking specifically to the area of packaged alcoholic beverages though, are we REALLY seeing a move toward bitter?  The IPA certainly seems to have a stronghold within the American craft beer industry, and although I'm seeing a little bit of a move toward more European styles, compared to 10-20 years ago, IPA still dominates this segment.

But craft beer isn't the fastest growing segment within this market.  White Claw style seltzers and ciders plus other spirit-based "ready to drink" beverages, are currently the big movers and shakers.  And although some of these have "lemon" or "lime" flavors, I don't consider any of them to be particularly "bitter."  Not in the way that American IPAs are.  Most of them range from neutral to very, very sweet.

And then of course the dominant packaged alcoholic beverages are still the macro-beers, none of which would be considered "bitter" for the purposes of this discussion, either.

So is "bitter" actually growing in this market?  Or is it just a perception due to the ubiquitous nature of IPAs at the types of places you and I like to go drink?
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2025, 01:11:54 PM
I'd call vying for more and more bitterness is a fad.  Maybe it sticks for a while, maybe a few folks pretend to like it.  To me, it's a fad even if it persists for years.

I enjoy balanced IPAs just fine, but not the silly ones.  I enjoy a decent zinfandel, but not the silly ones.  I view the folks who try and find more and more bitter IPAs as "fadish", braggarts, just folks who claim to like hotter and hotter peppers, it's to them some mark of, well, faddishness, uniqueness, they claim to "LIKE" super hot peppers when in reality they don't, except they think it makes them look special.

Fad.
Why can't it be both a preference and a fad? It's a preference for some, that can also be a temporary fad for others? 

I, for one, have pretty much ALWAYS preferred bitter foods and eschewed sweet.



I don't think "more and more bitterness" was a common fad when I was a kid--but I preferred bitter. 

So... Do I like IPAs because it's a fad, or do I like IPAs because they line up with the taste preferences I already had? 

---------------

FWIW, I also like spicy food. And my heat tolerance is higher than most. However, I'm not one that's going out trying to find ever-more-spicy things either--it's not for a fad. I like spicy, but within my tolerance. And BTW--liking spicy food also goes back to my childhood before being a "pepper head" was a fad. 
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 01:24:07 PM
I think for MOST it's just a fad, something folks can brag about to make them seem singular.  I'm sure some folks actually like zinfandel with 18% alcohol.  These things get popular for a while and then drop back to background because MOST folks don't really like the overdone out of balance stuff.

The the fad folks migrate to whatever is the latest, flavored beer or whatever.  I'm sure we've all seen folks who try and latch onto whatever is the "latest greatest" whether they like the stuff or not.  Then they migrate to something else in a year or so.

I'm recently seeing ice cream varieties for example that are WEIRD, garlic flavored and worse.  Maybe someone really like the stuff, but most don't, and some pretend to.

There still is one chardonnay brand called "Butter".  It caters to folks conditioned to think chard should taste like that.  Fine with me.  Make whatever sells.

But I think a LOT of folks just follow fads.  Their "tastes" just shift willy nilly without being genuine.

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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 04, 2025, 01:26:36 PM
It's an interesting question.  And I'll comment that I definitely don't think IPAs are a fad.


Sticking specifically to the area of packaged alcoholic beverages though, are we REALLY seeing a move toward bitter?  The IPA certainly seems to have a stronghold within the American craft beer industry, and although I'm seeing a little bit of a move toward more European styles, compared to 10-20 years ago, IPA still dominates this segment.

But craft beer isn't the fastest growing segment within this market.  White Claw style seltzers and ciders plus other spirit-based "ready to drink" beverages, are currently the big movers and shakers.  And although some of these have "lemon" or "lime" flavors, I don't consider any of them to be particularly "bitter."  Not in the way that American IPAs are.  Most of them range from neutral to very, very sweet.

And then of course the dominant packaged alcoholic beverages are still the macro-beers, none of which would be considered "bitter" for the purposes of this discussion, either.

So is "bitter" actually growing in this market?  Or is it just a perception due to the ubiquitous nature of IPAs at the types of places you and I like to go drink?

And there's another possible take... Maybe the percentage of people who like bitter is unchanged, but that the market has changed to better cater to us? 

I.e. let's say that 95% of the population are the "normies" who like sweet stuff. And that 5% are the defectives like me who prefer bitter. 

Well, if you have a small regional brand, are you going to craft out a product line to cater to that 5%? Especially if you're trying to place it on supermarket shelves where they don't want to stock it for 5% of their customers, many of whom may not even know that the product exists? Especially in a pre-internet age when you don't even really realize that 5% market exists, maybe THEY don't realize they exist b/c nobody's ever catered to them as only 5%, and they don't even know how or where to seek your products out? 

Fast forward to increasing conglomeration of brands. 5% of 340M people is a lot more than 5% of 20M. That 5% has now had enough products in front of them that are bitter that they know who they are, and they what they're looking for and how to find it. That 5% will complain to the supermarket if they can't find the product they want on the shelf--or more accurately will seek it out elsewhere and the supermarkets will recognize that they need to stock those products. 

Maybe it's just that defectives like me are part of the "long tail" of the distribution. Markets 20, 30, 40 years ago weren't well set up to serve "long tail" customers, but that's changed. Not because there are more of us defectives, but because our preferences were simply underserved before, and now we're being adequately served...
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 01:29:32 PM
I'm not at all saying IPAs are a fad, just the ridiculously over hopped out of balance IPAs.  IPAs are fine, I like'em.

And I'm sure a FEW folks like the crazy over hopped out of balanced swills out there.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 01:34:45 PM
When I was doing wine classes, folks would ask me what kinds of wine I like.  My answer is "A wine you can't readily characterize because it is so balanced."  To me, that's a great wine, presuming it tastes good.  They are tough to find.  If someone starts detecting "a distinct cherry finish" or "nice wood" or "buttery smoothness", my guess is the wine is out of balance, and probably had something done to it to make it so.

The times I've had really really good wine I've thought "Wow, I have no idea how to describe this, it's not too much of anything, except really good.".

I can say the flavor profile is complex and it has a lasting finish, but nothing about cherries or wood or butter or rasberries or a soupcon of asparagus.  

Give me a balanced IPA and I'm fine.
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Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 01:37:46 PM
IPAs have been around for centuries.  They were intentionally over-hopped as a preservative, for the long journey from Britain to India, starting in the late 1700s.  Hence their name "India Pale Ale." This journey could take up to 6 months and by the time the beer reached India, the flavor profile had mellowed and settled down to something that actually tasted good.

It wasn't until crazy Americans started trying to drink them fresh instead of aged in the 1980s/90s, that the race to out-bitter one another began.  As is often the case, we can blame California for the insanity.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 02:05:49 PM
A bit back I got a "United" credit card from Chase because it came with some benefits like free luggage, and we had been booked on a United flight.  So, I get a bill for $95, annual fee, and call up a month ago and say "Cancel my card", person says they will do it.  I get a warning that my payment is due a week ago, I call AGAIN, going through their miserable menu.  I finally get a real person and explain, and he says they have a record of my call back in May but the card was not cancelled.

I've had some very negative interactions with Chase over the years.
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 04, 2025, 02:38:44 PM
Today I learned....

How Uncultured I am. 

But, I really already knew this.  I just drink american macro-swill beer. 
I'm not nearly as beer-savvy as @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) and unlike @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) my only knowledge of wine relates to Mad Dog and Boone's Farm so I'm with ya!

There is a local chain here that has an annual "World Tour of Beers".  You buy 100 beers in a year and get a free jacket.  My dad used to call mine my $500 jacket, LoL.  Anyway, back when I did the tour I was single and childless and my dad, brother, and I used to get together for dinner every Tuesday at this place so I figured I was going to buy two beers a week and 2*52=104 so I was already buying the beers anyway, why not get a free jacket out of it.  

I'm actually really glad I did it.  The tour is set up not as just any 100 beers, Ie, you can't buy 100 Bud Lights.  It is 100 different beers so I tried a lot of stuff that I otherwise might never have tried from IPA's to Wheat Beers to Fruit beers to Chocolate Stouts, a wide variety.  I found some things I liked and some I'll never order again.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 04, 2025, 02:43:31 PM
It's an interesting question.  And I'll comment that I definitely don't think IPAs are a fad.

Sticking specifically to the area of packaged alcoholic beverages though, are we REALLY seeing a move toward bitter?  The IPA certainly seems to have a stronghold within the American craft beer industry, and although I'm seeing a little bit of a move toward more European styles, compared to 10-20 years ago, IPA still dominates this segment.

But craft beer isn't the fastest growing segment within this market.  White Claw style seltzers and ciders plus other spirit-based "ready to drink" beverages, are currently the big movers and shakers.  And although some of these have "lemon" or "lime" flavors, I don't consider any of them to be particularly "bitter."  Not in the way that American IPAs are.  Most of them range from neutral to very, very sweet.

And then of course the dominant packaged alcoholic beverages are still the macro-beers, none of which would be considered "bitter" for the purposes of this discussion, either.

So is "bitter" actually growing in this market?  Or is it just a perception due to the ubiquitous nature of IPAs at the types of places you and I like to go drink?
In re ciders:
My wife and I went to New Zealand and when I was there they offered alcoholic ciders of many varieties and nearly every restaurant so I tried a few and found that I really liked their Pineapple Cider.  When we got home it really took some searching to find one but eventually I did.  Then, shortly thereafter the "cider craze" hit and all of a sudden every store was offering Reds and CiderBoys and you could find Ciders on lots of menus.  So I say that I started drinking them just before the fad hit.  
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 02:48:40 PM
That's the thing about beverages, try stuff, you probably will not be crazy about some, dislike some, and find some you do like.  I'm always up for trying wine from some new region, or new varietal (there aren't many of these).  I tried Tito's vodka based on what I read here and found it is very good to my tastes, very clean, good with tonic, whatever.  That's my go to, and it's reasonably priced (unlike that French stuff my wife likes, she likes Tito's just fine if she thinks it's some goose variety).

5 Best Texas Vodkas - Spec's Wines, Spirits & Finer Foods (https://specsonline.com/blog/5-best-texas-vodkas/)

I once thought all vodkas had to taste the same because they are just distilled and not aged, but that was wrong.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 02:49:21 PM
Pomme cidre ... it's a thing in Normandy and Brittany.
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Post by: SFBadger96 on June 04, 2025, 03:54:07 PM
I'm not a fan of IPAs. I don't mind that other people are, but the faddish part of them is the takeover of so many shelves in liquor stores dedicated to them. That's the part that I don't care for. But I can still find what I like, so it's just a nuisance.
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Post by: ELA on June 04, 2025, 03:54:58 PM
He has the same number of wins since May 2 as the Colorado Rockies.  3
https://twitter.com/Rockies/status/1930335923809726537
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 04, 2025, 03:56:59 PM
Speaking of fads, my wife likes yogurt, but not "Greek yogurt", and good luck finding NGY at Kroger theses days.

I like GY fine.  Everything is Greek now.  Started by a Turk who figured Turkish yogurt would never sell.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on June 04, 2025, 04:04:14 PM
Speaking of fads, my wife likes yogurt, but not "Greek yogurt", and good luck finding NGY at Kroger theses days.

I like GY fine.  Everything is Greek now.  Started by a Turk who figured Turkish yogurt would never sell.


Not unlike the Greeks who labeled their spaghetti dish as "chili" so that it would sell.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on June 05, 2025, 06:22:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ewdh6zm.png)
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2025, 01:02:41 PM
Gonna go look at this one in the couple days.

(https://i.imgur.com/OjHKauI.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2025, 01:48:38 PM
You might experience one of the two happiest days in your life.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2025, 02:01:00 PM
The Cobalt is nice, but I've always wanted a Pursuit.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 07, 2025, 02:04:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zHqKXDK.png)

My daughter had one of these for a while, it had absolutely NO options at all.  I thought it was a pretty decent car.  
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2025, 02:12:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A4Ek3PT.png)
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2025, 02:13:37 PM
Must be a pretty light boat. It's floating, and it's not even in the water!
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Post by: OrangeAfroMan on June 07, 2025, 02:14:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zHqKXDK.png)

My daughter had one of these for a while, it had absolutely NO options at all.  I thought it was a pretty decent car. 
...you didn't have to drive it every day, lol.
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Post by: utee94 on June 07, 2025, 03:51:41 PM
Gonna go look at this one in the couple days.

(https://i.imgur.com/OjHKauI.png)
I thought you were a cabin cruiser kind of guy.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2025, 04:01:32 PM
I thought you were a cabin cruiser kind of guy.

I was, when we were on Lake Michigan and lived on it every weekend (and for the last three months we lived up North after we sold our home). I sold that boat up there and have had two Cobalt boats since we moved here. That was a Four Winns - also great boat.

(https://i.imgur.com/cBycU4d.png)

People here don't hang out in the Marina like up there. They come, use their boats, and go home. Different vibe completely.
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Post by: utee94 on June 07, 2025, 04:14:02 PM
Got it.  Is there any place to take a cruiser and anchor down or tie off?  Sand bar, small island?  That's what people around here do with their cruisers and houseboats.  

We now have good friends with a large houseboat slip in a marina near our wakeboat, so these days we just go tie off in their slip and hang with them, when we want to take a break from surfing or wakeboarding.  They have a 22' bowrider and jet ski, but the houseboat slip comes with a large recreation area and they've installed a lounge and small kitchen with sink and grill.  It's pretty awesome.  We'll be out there all day tomorrow I'm sure.
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Post by: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2025, 05:08:12 PM
Yes, there are places for sure. I see them all the time. It's nice to have a place to escape the sun and prepare lunch, drinks, whatever.

The problem with a cruiser here is that unless you are hooked up to power and run the AC (if you have it - we did, along with heat), you're gonna have mold. And it would be BAD.

We used to cover our boat all the time. Mold. We no longer cover it.


Have I mentioned that I gave up my 100-ton USCG Master Captain license?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 08, 2025, 08:22:44 AM


We're exporting all of our crazies to the great plains, lol. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUhfYjuJlPs&t=1s
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Post by: MrNubbz on June 08, 2025, 08:26:30 AM
Must be a pretty light boat. It's floating, and it's not even in the water!
It's a hydrofoil, DUH! I'll show myself out
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MrNubbz on June 08, 2025, 08:33:01 AM
Have I mentioned that I gave up my 100-ton USCG Master Captain license?
Even Capt. Stubing had to hang it up eventually
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on June 11, 2025, 08:53:01 AM
Lee Corso's last hurrah will be at Texas-tOSU in Columbus.

https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/1932482894653509799?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1932482894653509799%7Ctwgr%5E5431335655c036a1357616d1b9786eecc7cbac0e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.surlyhorns.com%2Fboard%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fcollegegameday%2Fstatus%2F1932482894653509799%3Fs%3D4626t%3Dw1JGYCpwyyl6OPC9Jk41gg
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Post by: FearlessF on June 11, 2025, 09:04:20 AM
good
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on June 11, 2025, 09:35:53 AM
I'd watch that, except it might mean accidentally seeing Pat McAfee.
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Post by: MikeDeTiger on June 12, 2025, 09:33:03 AM
In other news, campus was evacuated at 12:30 yesterday afternoon because some dude dressed as a construction worker entered the library construction site and was caught with flammable materials and accelerants.  When apprehended he threatened to blow himself up and said he'd placed a bomb elsewhere on campus.  Police eventually found a bag in the chemistry building which turned out to be harmless.  Details didn't say explicitly that the bag belonged to the suspect.  

Pretty weird to get an email simply stating to evacuate immediately with no details.  The weather was very bad so I thought we were under a flash flood warning.

Anyway, nobody was hurt and I got a half day off work, so this basically probably belongs in the What Made Me Happy Today thread.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 12, 2025, 02:38:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kR3O15s.png)
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Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 12, 2025, 02:44:35 PM
[img width=273.619 height=394]https://i.imgur.com/kR3O15s.png[/img]
Is it me or do some of these seem implausibily high?

Specifically, what jobs in Montana pay enough to be able to afford a half Million dollar house?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on June 12, 2025, 02:46:08 PM
Yeah that infographic doesn't track.

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Post by: Gigem on June 12, 2025, 02:47:25 PM
https://twitter.com/80s_channel/status/1933227228604871073?s=46&t=EHozF964Pc_xZmTZKPCcEA
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 12, 2025, 02:49:42 PM
Maybe it includes ranches in Montana?

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on June 12, 2025, 02:51:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/fQJQrJo.gif)
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Post by: Cincydawg on June 12, 2025, 02:58:39 PM
I'm moving to Montana soon ...

To become a dental floss tycoon.
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Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 12, 2025, 02:58:46 PM
Obviously you have to look at the methodology...

But one key aspect is that it says "median" rather than "mean". That can sometimes be a more intuitive and useful metric; sometimes less. 

Also note that this site (https://www.umt.edu/this-is-montana/columns/stories/montana_regions_2of3.php) says 80% of all Montanans live in or within 50 miles of their 7 largest cities. We might think of Montana as rural--but rather I think it means it's mostly empty, and clustered around those cities. 

However another google search shows median Montana home prices being in the >$500K range. 

It's probably caused by a bunch of rich Californians who saw Yellowstone moving in and buying things up and ruining everything in the state, tbh...
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on June 12, 2025, 02:59:44 PM
It's probably caused by a bunch of rich Californians who saw Yellowstone moving in and buying things up and ruining everything in the state, tbh...


It's what they do...
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: MikeDeTiger on June 12, 2025, 03:12:53 PM
Obviously you have to look at the methodology...

But one key aspect is that it says "median" rather than "mean". That can sometimes be a more intuitive and useful metric; sometimes less.

Also note that this site (https://www.umt.edu/this-is-montana/columns/stories/montana_regions_2of3.php) says 80% of all Montanans live in or within 50 miles of their 7 largest cities. We might think of Montana as rural--but rather I think it means it's mostly empty, and clustered around those cities.

However another google search shows median Montana home prices being in the >$500K range.

It's probably caused by a bunch of rich Californians who saw Yellowstone moving in and buying things up and ruining everything in the state, tbh...

Median tends to be better when the set of numbers is skewed or not normally distributed.  Which, I kind of would assume is the case for the population set of home prices.  But who knows.  If accurate, I'm inclined to think median is more representative than mean in this case.

But don't listen to me.  I don't even know how much a good computer costs.  
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 12, 2025, 03:16:10 PM
Obviously you have to look at the methodology...

But one key aspect is that it says "median" rather than "mean". That can sometimes be a more intuitive and useful metric; sometimes less.

Also note that this site (https://www.umt.edu/this-is-montana/columns/stories/montana_regions_2of3.php) says 80% of all Montanans live in or within 50 miles of their 7 largest cities. We might think of Montana as rural--but rather I think it means it's mostly empty, and clustered around those cities.

However another google search shows median Montana home prices being in the >$500K range.

It's probably caused by a bunch of rich Californians who saw Yellowstone moving in and buying things up and ruining everything in the state, tbh...
WRT methodology:
Two very important questions that come to my mind are:
WRT to #1:
According to the census Montana has a population of a little more than 1M.  I couldn't find the # of households nor the average # of people per household (which I would have used to calculate the #) but I would guess 3-4 people per household which would mean something like 1/4 to 1/3 of a Million homes.  A few thousand rich Californians buying $1M houses would have only a negligible impact on the mean and median value of all homes in Montana because it would be diluted over 1/4 to 1/3 of a Million homes.  However, if you assume that the average family stays in their house for ~30 years then there would only be around 10k annual sales so a few thousand rich Californians could really skew those figures.  

WRT #2:
I wonder how they do handle that.  If I were an Ohio Farmer and I bought a thousand acres out in Western Ohio that was worth say $8,000 per acre that would be $8,000,000.  Assuming that a home and farm buildings (barns, silos, etc) were located on the property then the total sale price might be say $9M but this would represent something like $8.75M in business property (the tillable land and the agribusiness related structures) while the other $0.25M represented the value of the home and the land immediately surrounding the home.  So does that count as a $9M "home" because the total property is $9M or does it count as a $250k home because the actual home is only worth that?  

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on June 12, 2025, 03:25:04 PM
Median tends to be better when the set of numbers is skewed or not normally distributed.  Which, I kind of would assume is the case for the population set of home prices.  But who knows.  If accurate, I'm inclined to think median is more representative than mean in this case.

But don't listen to me.  I don't even know how much a good computer costs. 
More than $400, less than $4,000.  Hope that helps!
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 12, 2025, 03:26:03 PM
Median tends to be better when the set of numbers is skewed or not normally distributed.  Which, I kind of would assume is the case for the population set of home prices.  But who knows.  If accurate, I'm inclined to think median is more representative than mean in this case.

But don't listen to me.  I don't even know how much a good computer costs. 
Yeah, I would think median is probably generally more representative. But I highlight it because in some places it might skew if the distribution is wonky. 


  • Is this based on sales in the last year or the value of all homes?  If it is sales only then the "rich Californians who saw Yellowstone" could REALLY swing it because there probably aren't all that many sales among Montana natives to begin with so a few thousand high-dollar homes sold to Californians could potentially skew the figures. 
I believe it's median sale price. 

And it's a relatively small state with small sample size (looks like Google is showing maybe 1K home sales per month), so a small number of sales could skew it upwards. The population also appears to be steadily growing, and if the growth is primarily rich[ish] transplants, that could certainly skew it upwards too. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 12, 2025, 03:41:32 PM
And it's a relatively small state with small sample size (looks like Google is showing maybe 1K home sales per month), so a small number of sales could skew it upwards. The population also appears to be steadily growing, and if the growth is primarily rich[ish] transplants, that could certainly skew it upwards too.
That would make sense and it also likely means that even though the median sale price is ~$500k the median value of a home in Montana is likely less than half that but the turnover is higher for the more expensive homes.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 12, 2025, 03:54:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dZHAOM2.png)
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Post by: SFBadger96 on June 12, 2025, 05:53:01 PM
Interesting. California, New York, and Illinois--four of the largest six states by population--all contribute more to the U.S. economy (by GDP) than their per capita share of the population. I think New York has the biggest proportionate difference, followed by California. Texas also punches above its already significant population weight. Florida, alas, does not. Washington and Massachusetts also punch GDP significantly above their population weight.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on June 12, 2025, 06:03:15 PM
It's a bit of a silly graphic.  The financial wealth is concentrated in the financial centers.  Nothing surprising there.

So you're telling me that vast open areas of park land and farm land and no man's land, are not tremendous revenue generators?  Shocking!

Additionally, revenue generated from those lands, is still largely funneled through the financial centers, because that's where company headquarters are located. 

Looking at it more closely, that is probably one of the most worthless graphics I've ever seen.  Clearly intended to mislead and divide.  Pure trash.
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 12, 2025, 06:08:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/6fiJQ1c.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 12, 2025, 06:32:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/O7Ulv2W.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 12, 2025, 06:54:52 PM
Does anyone think about where to post things any more? 

Hmm... An infographic about 50% of GDP coming from the urban areas of the country when we have a highly-political divide that just HAPPENS to line up [largely] along rural vs urban lines. Hmmm... I can't imagine how this could cause problems in the apolitical thread!

Hmm... A whimsical and cryptic thing about crayons and Marines, in the area that the Marines are [potentially?] being deployed to handle civil unrest. Maybe you'd put that in the political thread that's talking--at length--about the area where said unrest exists. OR... You could make it funny and speculate that Army vets are trolling Marines because of long-standing inter-division joshing and put it Nubbz' whimsy thread. But in the apolitical thread? Yeah, that can't possibly go wrong!

Hmm... An infographic about WWI casualties. When we have an entire thread called OT- Weird History, and we have recently been discussing WWI and WWII strategy and decision-making. Because there's no way that'll drag THAT morass into the apolitical thread and turn the thread into war strategy... Which undoubtedly would NEVER get political, right? 

There's a part of me that thinks this is all just a deliberate strategy to troll me... But in the immortal words of the great philosopher Alexis Rose, "Trust me--people aren't thinking about you the way you're thinking about you."

But maybe, for once... You could all start thinking about the apolitical thread as a haven from this bullshit?
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: utee94 on June 12, 2025, 06:57:55 PM
None of you are ever, EVER allowed to call out Texicans for being overly sensative again.  We have a new leader in the clubhouse.

;)

Seriously though, this is not really a news thread, it's the catch-all discussion thread (as long as that discussion isn't political).  So I don't think the WWI thing necessarily belongs somewhere else.

The other two probably do though.

Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 12, 2025, 07:07:52 PM
None of you are ever, EVER allowed to call out Texicans for being overly sensative again.  We have a new leader in the clubhouse.

;)

Seriously though, this is not really a news thread, it's the catch-all discussion thread (as long as that discussion isn't political).  So I don't think the WWI thing necessarily belongs somewhere else.

The other two probably do though.
The WWI thing doesn't NOT belong here... It's just far MORE appropriate for the Weird History thread. 

I just posted in the Grumpy Old Man thread. I could easily have posted that here, and it wouldn't quite be out of place. It's just far MORE appropriate there. 
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 13, 2025, 07:28:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KTJroF8.png)
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 14, 2025, 11:32:40 AM
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Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: FearlessF on June 14, 2025, 11:03:12 PM
about the time I retire!
Title: Re: In other news (apolitical thread)...
Post by: Cincydawg on June 15, 2025, 10:39:50 AM
We've been having a lot more rain than typical for June.  It rains almost every day, hard at times.

Then the sun comes out.  Then it rains some more.  The bonus is everything is really green.  My tomatoes were showing some bottom end rot which I'm trying to fix.