All I know from everything I’ve read and heard is that the Irish are DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!I feel very confident in saying this....Ohio State is going to beat the absolute fuck out of Notre Dame. This is a really bad matchup for Notre Dame.
I feel very confident in saying this....Ohio State is going to beat the absolute fuck out of Notre Dame. This is a really bad matchup for Notre Dame.Not culturally, or the school, but ND’s team this year reminds me of Michigan. Tough as nails and gritty as hell. This will be a game.
Not culturally, or the school, but ND’s team this year reminds me of Michigan. Tough as nails and gritty as hell. This will be a game.No it won't. Riley Leonard is pretty bad at throwing the football. Michigan last year was a much better, deeper, more talented team than this years Notre Dame. Oh yeah not to mention they had a top 10 NFL draft pick QB'ing them and Riley Leonard won't be a top 10 CFL draft pick...
No it won't. Riley Leonard is pretty bad at throwing the football. Michigan last year was a much better, deeper, more talented team than this years Notre Dame. Oh yeah not to mention they had a top 10 NFL draft pick QB'ing them and Riley Leonard won't be a top 10 CFL draft pick...I am talking about this years UM team- you know, the one that beat OSU a few weeks ago.
2023 Michigan had 15 guys drafted to the NFL I think- and their best NFL draft prospects were sophomores that couldn't even be drafted- Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Colston Loveland- who are all about to be 1st round picks in this draft. That team had 5 DT's in the rotation that will wind up being NFL draft picks in the top 3 rounds when said and done- with two of them being 1st round picks (Graham & Grant) - that's pretty nutty depth and talent at defensive tackle on one team- and that's where you win ball games- the trenches.
this ND squad doesn't have that kind of raw NFL talent over 2 drafts nor a QB anywhere in the same universe talent wise as JJ.
Ohio State is going to straight up decapitate Notre Dame.
I am talking about this years UM team- you know, the one that beat OSU a few weeks ago.oh well, sure. but Notre Dame is better because they have an average QB whereas Michigan does not have one at all.
The stuff of @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) 's nightmares.https://twitter.com/BarstoolUofM/status/1877927499184672981
I'd like to see this relative to opposition because my impression is that Ohio State has played a much tougher schedule.Defense:Ohio State is #1 allowing 12.1 pts/gameNotre Dame is #2 allowing 14.3 pts/gameOffense:Notre Dame is #6 scoring 37.0 pts/gameOhio State is #11 scoring 36.4 pts/game
I like all the posts online about how many ranked teams ND played, ignoring that Army and Navy were 2 of them.I thought the same thing about Ohio State tying a record by beating four top-5 teams.
I feel very confident in saying this....Ohio State is going to beat the absolute fuck out of Notre Dame. This is a really bad matchup for Notre Dame.More or less confident than when you said this:
Any time you hear this kind of excuse before hand- expect a beat down coming. I already thought Notre Dame was probably overrated and offensively challenged with a shitty QB that can't pass the ball at all and that they'd lose in a close one to Penn State. Switching it up to the blow out. Penn State big.
That said, can we agree on what the excuse will be if OSU loses? Is it the unfair schedule; that they had a tougher road? Or will there be another reason?Yes we were still laughing at the Badgers getting wood shedded by Iowa and the Goophs
More or less confident than when you said this:You need to get over yourself. Seriously
Personally, I think Ohio State is a step up from Penn State this year--their game in Happy Valley suggested that--so yeah, ND is DOOOOOOOOOOMED!
That said, can we agree on what the excuse will be if OSU loses? Is it the unfair schedule; that they had a tougher road? Or will there be another reason?
Yes we were still laughing at the Badgers getting wood shedded by Iowa and the GoophsThat checks out.
Yes we were still laughing at the Badgers getting wood shedded by Iowa.I was at that game!
What times are these that honest Buckeyes come to the defense of outlandish Michigan fans?Is that what I did? Between a confusingly worded post and my Saturday bourbon- totally unintentional 😂.
Next thing you know passing ruffians will say “knee” to old ladies.
I was at that game!I actually LOVE IT when the the rest of the conference can give blue bloods a knuckle sandwich along the seasons dips/curves. It would do the CFB landscape well to see Spartans/Badgers/Goophs/Bug Eaters/Hawks/Nits etc. raise the hardware.Notice no mention of carrion eating skunk weasels that came to prominence along with Biden,woke & border openings,I don't think it's a happenstance - that was a package deal.;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqpnEcUB-6wI was at that game, and attendance record at the time.
The bad news is Michigan rivals #1A and #1B are in the NC game. The good news is that one of them will lose.The better news is if Ohio State kicker Jayden Fielding hadn't missed two field goals inside 40 yards vs M,Day & Kelly don't feel the heat and change things up
Is that what I did? Between a confusingly worded post and my Saturday bourbon- totally unintentional 😂.Well, it is a confusing world where Mdot21 is going so strong for the Buckeyes. And I realize the excuse comment probably came across as an attack on the Buckeyes.
One Buckeye starter who didn’t play a full game against Texas was Denzel Burke, who spent the second half watching from the sideline with Jermaine Mathews Jr. taking his place in the lineup at cornerback opposite Davison Igbinosun. It was unclear whether Burke, who remained on the sideline with his helmet on in the second half, was dealing with an injury or was benched for performance reasons.Burke was injured on that missed tackle. He played well up to that point.
But Burke, who declined an interview request in the locker room after the game, didn’t return to the game after missing a tackle on a 24-yard catch-and-run by Silas Bolden that set up a game-tying touchdown for the Longhorns late in the first half. Jermaine Matthews Jr. (47 snaps) played more than Burke (28) against Texas. Some have said he was injured or had the flu. He played decent vs Oregon,hopefully he's healthy as Mathews is good but got flagged twice vs Texas
The better news is if Ohio State kicker Jayden Fielding hadn't missed two field goals inside 40 yards vs M,Day & Kelly don't feel the heat and change things upAnd if my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bicycle….
And if my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bicycle….I think you missed his point. He is thanking Michigan for waking a sleeping giant. By the way..thank you.
this is a loser mentality coming from a loser program. excuses are like assholes. Ohio State is just Michigan’s little brother right now. Deal with it.
And if my grandmother had wheels she’d be a bicycle….OK fucktard,CTE,Mongoloid - your descriptions of an HC that won a Natty in AA :D. Oh and the final verdict on your crime syndicate isn't in yet
this is a loser mentality coming from a loser program. excuses are like assholes. Ohio State is just Michigan’s little brother right now. Deal with it.
His penalty in the end zone was the smartest thing ever. It was intentional and had he not done that, an easy TD for Ewers and a tied game. This is perhaps the least talked about yet most important play of the now famous ( or infamous) goal line stand.I'm a fan of the properly invoked penalty. One of my recent favorites was in soccer, where on a breakaway at the end of the last regular season game, with a playoff berth on the line, a defender committed an obvious take down (DOGSO: denial of goal scoring opportunity--straight red) just outside the penalty area--there was no way she had time to make a fair play on the ball before the attacker got a shot off. So she gets sent off (red carded) and suspended, but the restart is a direct kick rather than a penalty kick. Result: defending team makes the playoff. Huge play.
Similar result here: instead of needing a FG to avoid overtime, OSU comes away with a 14-point win that most people (and the chattering masses on TV) will forget was a really close game.I, for one, acknowledged upthread that it was a REALLY close game.
SEC SEC SEC!Not sure why the folks on twitter chose those teams specifically, but the Big Ten overall is 6-4 vs the SEC this year, which is still a good record for the Big Ten.
Ohio State, Notre Dame, USC, Michigan and Illinois are now 8-1 against the SEC this season, which is stunning considering the SEC remains undefeated in hypothetical matchups
I actually LOVE IT when the the rest of the conference can give blue bloods a knuckle sandwich along the seasons dips/curves. It would do the CFB landscape well to see Spartans/Badgers/Goophs/Bug Eaters/Hawks/Nits etc. raise the hardware.The Big Ten has struggled with this for......60 years now. The whales of UM and OSU + the plankton they feast upon.
Upsets happen. Statistical certainty. Something that doesn't happen 97% of the time still happens 3% of the time.
That said, can we agree on what the excuse will be if OSU loses? Is it the unfair schedule; that they had a tougher road? Or will there be another reason?
The Big Ten has struggled with this for......60 years now. The whales of UM and OSU + the plankton they feast upon.Sorry our bagmen get a say now but that post has nothing to do with the SEC. FLA at least looks like it's climbing out and i've stated that,work on your complex
The Big Ten hasn't had parity since peace-love-dope.
This is why I have always appreciated this group. Yes, rival fans tend to slug it out on here occasionally, but for the most part a reasonable group. The game was that close and a couple plays different could have lead to a far different outcome. I can't believe it's the case, but coaching was a huge factor. I have thought Sarkisian had a James Franklin feel to him and it's leaning more towards that right now.
Yah OSU beat Texas by 2 scores but The Horns were 1st and goal at the 1 from tying this game up.
This could be a really good game. I mean I'm rooting for a 21-0 OSU lead at the end of the first type game, but this could be a real slugfest.
All I know from everything I’ve read and heard is that the Irish are DOMED!!!!!!
This is why I have always appreciated this group. Yes, rival fans tend to slug it out on here occasionally, but for the most part a reasonable group. The game was that close and a couple plays different could have lead to a far different outcome. I can't believe it's the case, but coaching was a huge factor. I have thought Sarkisian had a James Franklin feel to him and it's leaning more towards that right now.For sure -that game could have gone either way.
Couple plays that changed the game - The screen to Henderson to basically end the first half. Honestly a brilliant call when the defensive call was beyond stupid on so many level. As in illogical, senseless, unintelligent, dumb, irresponsible, etc. Blitz everyone and have your DBs start the play running backwards? wow.
Two, the Sawyer play was obviously legendary. I really dislike that dude. I think his character is far short of what a good buckeye fan deserves. He runs his mouth all the time, has choked in some big situations.. but that's as legendary of a play as you can ask for in a perfect moment. Props for that.. .but it also followed two plays the later the dumbest 2nd and goal from the 1 play i've ever seen. Why? Why in the world with OSU's defense clearly that quick tracking guys all game would you pitch backwards and think you'll outrun their D? Moronic.. idiotic.. stupid.. great play by the buckeyes.. beyond stupid play call on so many levels.
That's my weekend throw up and Buckeye's in the title game vomit expulsion. I think the real title game was Friday night and OSU will win this one easily. Notre Dame is pretty banged up and their offensive line pretty messy. OSU is pretty talented and if they were going to fall, it was going to be Friday as Texas had the talent in the right places to pull a win, but the talent gap for this game is far bigger. The only thing that may keep it close is Freeman outcoaching Day, i'm not sure that's possible with a talent gap this big. OSU fans, enjoy the title. The joy of the experience is better from moments like the Sawyer play and happening around good friends or family. I'm not sure how long the joy lasts, but in some cases it can go beyond 1871 days. O:-)it’s funny, one man’s terrorist is another man’s patriot.
For the most part, he's been pretty irrelevant in my following of the game, until everything that happened with the flag planting, how he handled it and then people tracking him and showing him running his mouth with Tennessee players coming onto the field. He may be a great locker room guy and may be great in the community, but on the field, the dude runs his mouth too much and acts in a way i don't like. To give you reference, my closest friend is a lifelong Buckeye and my text to him was "he's your Hunter Dickinson." My point was, being in your uniform, you have to root for him but if he was on any other team, you'd really dislike how he comes across. It makes it much easier to overlook negative characteristics when they make big plays in big moments. That TD play would be similar to hitting a game winner at the buzzer in the final four.. I would always only see the positive in Dickinson if that were the case. So I get it and I don't knock anyone that supports him. I just look at all the other Buckeyes over the years and there's been so many other guys I wish would have been wearing maize and blue because of their talent and personality. Sawyer is definitely not that for me.
it’s funny, one man’s terrorist is another man’s patriot. I could see why you don’t like Jack Sawyer
ironically, the reason he is so loved by the team, and the coaches and the fans is precisely because they love his character. They view him as a true leader, and he does so much outside of the team for the community.
I would also say he has made himself a lot of money during this playoff run. I can’t tell you how many sacks, batted down passes and excellent plays he has made. The play before the strip sack is another place of Texas is that he ruined
I think the real title game was Friday night and OSU will win this one easily. Notre Dame is pretty banged up and their offensive line pretty messy. OSU is pretty talented and if they were going to fall, it was going to be Friday as Texas had the talent in the right places to pull a win, but the talent gap for this game is far bigger.This is my view.
Defense isn't as sexy as offense, but "defense Wins NDRULES TITLES"I filled in your blanks for you so we could properly salute a key member to this group.
It's not that hard to figure out. I would trade at least 10 losses to Iowa in a row for one national championship--particularly if those losses came in years that Wisconsin otherwise had strong seasons. Now, Wisconsin doesn't have any NCs, so maybe if your school has several, the calculus is a little different, but I'm guessing most folks would trade losing to their bitter rival for winning a national title--particularly in the CFP era, where it's going to be real hard for anyone to argue that it's a MNC.Nobody puts banners up on the stadium marquee of years they beat their rival (surprisingly, not even A&M). They do put up banners of years they win conference championships or National Championships.
But in a world in which Ohio State loses to Notre Dame? Pretty sure that loss to Michigan goes back to being a big deal (along with the loss to ND).
It's not that hard to figure out. I would trade at least 10 losses to Iowa in a row for one national championship--particularly if those losses came in years that Wisconsin otherwise had strong seasons. Now, Wisconsin doesn't have any NCs, so maybe if your school has several, the calculus is a little different, but I'm guessing most folks would trade losing to their bitter rival for winning a national title--particularly in the CFP era, where it's going to be real hard for anyone to argue that it's a MNC.Exactly... I find it really weird that fans of 8-5(!) Michigan are trying to flex on a fan base about to play for the national title, because of a regular season game that ultimately didn't matter because it didn't keep OSU out of the playoff. If OSU wins on Monday, that loss to Michigan doesn't matter at all.
But in a world in which Ohio State loses to Notre Dame? Pretty sure that loss to Michigan goes back to being a big deal (along with the loss to ND).
I can't even fathom a Purdue NC in footballI'd love to see it,them and many others,even if their fans swill indecent pale ales
Nobody puts banners up on the stadium marquee of years they beat their rival (surprisingly, not even A&M). They do put up banners of years they win conference championships or National Championships.but, usually the banner years include beating their rivals
Exactly... I find it really weird that fans of 8-5(!) Michigan are trying to flex on a fan base about to play for the national title, because of a regular season game that ultimately didn't matter because it didn't keep OSU out of the playoff. If OSU wins on Monday, that loss to Michigan doesn't matter at all.The win over Ohio State matters a GREAT deal to Michigan fans and alumni. It made the season a success. I'm pretty sure Buckeye fans would feel the same way if the situation was reversed.
The win over Ohio State matters a GREAT deal to Michigan fans and alumni. It made the season a success. I'm pretty sure Buckeye fans would feel the same way if the situation was reversed.That's just Michigan malarkey most of us never felt that way at all
Exactly... I find it really weird that fans of 8-5(!) Michigan are trying to flex on a fan base about to play for the national title, because of a regular season game that ultimately didn't matter because it didn't keep OSU out of the playoff. If OSU wins on Monday, that loss to Michigan doesn't matter at all.Flexing or questioning why all of the sudden a lot of vocal OSU fans are acting like that game didn't matter, when most of the vocal crowd were the same ones that wanted Day fired. Again, we're pretty lucky with our group of level headed Buckeyes here, but considering 95% of my friends and family are all Buckeyes, it's been a somewhat comical roller coaster to watch the past couple months. The reasonable ones, I'll be very happy for their win Monday night and their chance to experience the title. The unreasonable ones, I'll remind them their captain may have a title but doesn't have a career win against Michigan. One is far more important than the other, but the unreasonable ones make it fun to stir their pot.
but, usually the banner years include beating their rivals
Interesting point. With the expanded playoff a lot of scenarios are going to come up that probably didn't in the past. If LSU won the SEC (or more), it almost certainly meant they beat, for example, Ole Miss or Auburn or Alabama. Being stuck in the same division, if they don't win those games, the other teams probably have good enough records to preclude LSU from winning that division. We usually get knocked out of contention because of another good team in our division, and vice versa. And the good teams tend to be who we think of as rivals. If we lost the showdown to Ole Miss, 2003 never happens. The Rebel Scum would've won the west, played UGA for the SEC, and we'd have been off to the Peach Bowl. Conversely, LSU could survive a loss to a non-division rival, say, Florida, because of the way the division titles worked.This.
I suspect we'll be getting more instances going forward of a legitimately good team not winning a rivalry game but advancing anyway, and possibly winning it all.
The win over Ohio State matters a GREAT deal to Michigan fans and alumni. It made the season a success. I'm pretty sure Buckeye fans would feel the same way if the situation was reversed.I think I'd phrase it the opposite way--it prevented the season from being a failure.
Flexing or questioning why all of the sudden a lot of vocal OSU fans are acting like that game didn't matter, when most of the vocal crowd were the same ones that wanted Day fired. Again, we're pretty lucky with our group of level headed Buckeyes here, but considering 95% of my friends and family are all Buckeyes, it's been a somewhat comical roller coaster to watch the past couple months. The reasonable ones, I'll be very happy for their win Monday night and their chance to experience the title. The unreasonable ones, I'll remind them their captain may have a title but doesn't have a career win against Michigan. One is far more important than the other, but the unreasonable ones make it fun to stir their pot.Yeah, I get that. And in my basketball scenario, I'd completely expect some irrational Purdue fans to be losing their minds if we were 0-3 against an IU team in a bad year. That's... Embarrassing. And the vitriol that would be sent at Painter from said fans would be ugly.
I think I'd phrase it the opposite way--it prevented the season from being a failure.Solid post, top to bottom. Part in bold is a great summation. The part that was really tough this year is that Michigan was actually a very good team, outside of 1 very specific position, QB. Everyone sees the 4 conference losses, but the only games they lost because of more than a qb is probably Texas and Oregon. Washington, illinois & Indiana the offense was so terribly bad, it put a ton of stress on the defense, which still kept them in the game. For example:
I can't imagine that Michigan fans look at a season where they went 5-4 in conference, obviously didn't sniff a conference title or the CFP, and were an offensive mess all year, as anything resembling a success. But it would have been immeasurably worse if they'd lost to OSU, so I get that.
As a Purdue fan, our season was an abject failure. But if we had knocked off IU in their historic year to finish it off, it still would have been a failure, but that would have been a really nice little silver lining to it.
Yeah, I get that. And in my basketball scenario, I'd completely expect some irrational Purdue fans to be losing their minds if we were 0-3 against an IU team in a bad year. That's... Embarrassing. And the vitriol that would be sent at Painter from said fans would be ugly.
But a NC would salve all wounds. Which is why I'm sure I'd hear a lot from IU fans trolling Purdue--right up until Purdue won an elite 8 game and we were heading into final four weekend. I'd expect most of them to shut up right about that time.
Which is why I posted that it was pretty odd after OSU had won three playoff games, and are about to play for the NC, why it's still something M fans are trolling with.
If they lose Monday, that means OSU:
- Lost to M
- Didn't win the B1G
- Didn't win the NC
Then it makes tons of sense to troll. They'd be 0 for 3 in their season goals. But if they WIN on Monday, then achieving #3 excuses #1 and #2 completely.
But a NC would salve all wounds. Which is why I'm sure I'd hear a lot from IU fans trolling Purdue--right up until Purdue won an elite 8 game and we were heading into final four weekend. I'd expect most of them to shut up right about that time.
Which is why I posted that it was pretty odd after OSU had won three playoff games, and are about to play for the NC, why it's still something M fans are trolling with.
It's interesting concept when you think about it because OSU's defense has almost every stat in their favor, showing they're among the best, but OSU offense rarely put their defense in tough positions or rarely gave the defense a break. Only time I remember seeing it was against Michigan because OSU play calling took peed on their own leg that day.This is a very fair point. As usual, I like the College Football Nerds solution of ranking by yards per carry and yards per pass attempt because that MOSTLY takes out the impact of the offense being good or bad.
https://twitter.com/A_M_D_16/status/1878475540945867007As a Buckeye fan, the loss to TTUN matters a lot.
The win over Ohio State matters a GREAT deal to Michigan fans and alumni. It made the season a success. I'm pretty sure Buckeye fans would feel the same way if the situation was reversed.Agreed, but not as much as it used to.
If they lose Monday, that means OSU:Yes but they beat Texas who throttled M in AA. So 3rd party smack route
- Lost to M
- Didn't win the B1G
- Didn't win the NC
Then it makes tons of sense to troll. They'd be 0 for 3 in their season goals. But if they WIN on Monday, then achieving #3 excuses #1 and #2 completely.
Only because they wouldn't have played Florida. :72:Some of this is simply because The Game has been the last game of the season for almost a century. In 1996 if the Buckeyes had lost to Notre Dame in September and beaten Michigan in November there is a pretty good chance that they'd have won the NC.
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Maybe I can put your mind at ease and win you over to my thinking.
Damn. That invalidates every NC we claim.
Michigan has 2& 1/2 NCs since the end of WWII 👀(https://i.imgur.com/ewLZQrP.jpeg)
Michigan has 2*& 1/2 NCs since the end of WWII 👀FIFY
https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/ohio-state-notre-dame-national-title-game-college-football-michigan-b8b1e9c4This how I felt about the ReliaQuest bowl. >:(
Don't worry, we'll add the * to the Buckeyes this year.. Michigan had plenty of microscopes on them last year, but still won their conference, beat their rival and went undefeated to win a title. Their * is there because what they accomplished will apparently begin to be uncommon since new age champions can now finish 4th in their conference, lose to their rival, have multiple losses and still convince themselves they are one of the greatest teams ever.LoL.
Oh good, I was hoping the Buckeyes and Wolverines would start re-litigating Michigan's season last year.Hey @LetsGoPeay (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=7) your program is utter trash. How can you root for a program that employed that hothead arsehole Bobby Knight who threw that chair 40 years ago?!?!
Hey @LetsGoPeay (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=7) your program is utter trash. How can you root for a program that employed that hothead arsehole Bobby Knight who threw that chair 40 years ago?!?!
You and your university make me sick!
(Sorry, just wanted to participate. It looked fun.)
Hey! I thought the Astronaut Farmer was a pretty cool movie. @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19)I did not know such a thing existed. Given what I saw about the plot on Wikipedia, that sounds like one of @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) 's buddies though...
I know exactly one current Purdue student. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he decided to, and did launch himself into space, then safely get himself back down here. But he wouldn't want to talk to anyone about it. At least not anyone who would tell the story to the masses.
- If there's a school who would produce someone who decided to become a hobbyist astronaut and ACTUALLY launch himself safely into space and through re-entry, it's probably going to be a Purdue grad.
Calendars are difficult to read.. When all the red flags were raised about Michigan's cheating in the past, there was a full season of football left to playit was not a full season
Kind of wild that an indoor stadium in Atlanta is a fortunate thing given the weather expected on Monday. It's going to be cold in Atlanta (by Atlanta standards, but also actually cold). I presume it will be lovely inside the stadium.lovely, but not FOOTBALL weather
since new age champions can now finish 4th in their conference, lose to their rival, have multiple losses and still convince themselves they are one of the greatest teams ever.This is far more important/tragic than anything OSU/UM-related.
[img width=234.333 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/ewLZQrP.jpeg[/img]With the advent of super sized Conferences and very unbalanced schedules Conference championships are meaningless
With the advent of super sized Conferences and very unbalanced schedules Conference championships are meaninglessIn theory that CAN be true, but in practice I don't really agree this is true as a matter of fact. Texas and Georgia were the two best teams in the SEC, and they faced off in the conference championship. Georgia earned that title. And if the suggestion is that currently Ohio State is the best team in the B1G, well, they lost to B1G champion Oregon in the regular season, and lost another game to a non-contender as well.
Oh good, I was hoping the Buckeyes and Wolverines would start re-litigating Michigan's season last year.not really, it's just one delusional guy who is a truly obsessed oh and four loser. Nick Saban was right- that entire fan base needs therapy.
ou sucksadd a line in there and it's perfect...
The End
This is far more important/tragic than anything OSU/UM-related.yup. at first I was all for the 12 team, now I think I'm against it.
Because it's true.
yup. at first I was all for the 12 team, now I think I'm against it.Go back to the old bowl system. Now get off my lawn
Notre Dame losing at home to NIU and Ohio State losing at home to Michigan when Michigan literally did not have a QB and were 23 point dawgs was rendered almost insignificant by the new system. What should've been absolute crushing death blows for both those teams was not- and it's kinda bullshit- I don't like it.
Ohio State lost twice and finished 10-2 in the regular season, finished 4th place in the conference and speaking of 4's just lost to Michigan for the FOURTH straight year- and they get a mulligan because of this new bullshit system that sucks.
I don't want to see 10-2 teams that couldn't win their conference and beat their arch rival winning a Natty- they don't deserve it imo- and I DEFINITELY don't want to ever see again teams like Boise State and SMU in the playoff. 12 team playoff is retarded. Go back to 4.
Oh good, I was hoping the Buckeyes and Wolverines would start re-litigating Michigan's season last year.Well we couldn't harp on LSU as purple face is in Baton Rouge and ND is in the National Championship Game. Someone has to have their skivvies in a knot over that :bluegrab:
no playoff was perfectOf course you were gifted half a championship but hung a full banner anyway just like the '97 Weasels
not really, it's just one delusional guy who is a truly obsessed oh and four loser. Nick Saban was right- that entire fan base needs therapy.Our fan base wasn't buying 2 litres of Pepsi just to get rid of tickets for home games. And you didn't need therapy when you were MFing Harbaugh and calling for his head after 5 straight loses to tOSU? and Saban quit after one loss to Michigan so I guess it depends on whose ox is getting gored
Of course you were gifted half a championship but hung a full banner anyway just like the '97 WeaselsWhile not the sexiest potential split NC matchup, 97 UM vs 97 UNL would have been extremely interesting.
Ohio State sucks the wind out of the Short Horns NC hopesFIFY
no playoff was perfectYou misspoke. What you should have said is:
Of course you were gifted half a championship but hung a full banner anyway just like the '97 Weaselsthe weasels had no chance in that potential matchup, they knew it and hid in the Doze Bowl against inferior competition
While not the sexiest potential split NC matchup, 97 UM vs 97 UNL would have been extremely interesting.would have been a great game. could see it going either way. Michigan had the ultimate X-factor that year in Woodson- he flat out just always made huge plays in critical moments to change games. Did at the next level as well. My god what an unbelievable player he was in both college & the NFL. Can't believe the Raiders quit on him after couple injuries he had in back to back seasons and then he goes off to Green Bay and rejuvenates his career. Probably my all-time favorite defensive player.
UM's strength was an all-time great pass D, led by you know who. But Nebraska didn't need to pass, so that sort of becomes irrelevant.
And of the 2,000+ teams I've created for WN (and I may have said this before), 97 UM's offense is unique in that only 2 of their top 6 pass-catchers were WRs. They may be the only team that's true for (acknowledging 90% of the teams I've created are very good teams...so this phenomenon is likely more common for poor teams).
Anyway, what that means is a ton of check-downs to 3 RBs (low yards-per-attempt) and a TE. Despite the bombs to Toomer & Hays?, that bodes well for a stellar UNL defense.
Would have been a great game, in my preferred traditional bowl system + 1 as necessary format.
Our fan base wasn't buying 2 litres of Pepsi just to get rid of tickets for home games. And you didn't need therapy when you were MFing Harbaugh and calling for his head after 5 straight loses to tOSU? and Saban quit after one loss to Michigan so I guess it depends on whose ox is getting goredLol. This is actually a fair point. This was just a reflection of the UM brass getting in the way of RichRod truly having a shot and then horribly hiring Brady Hoke. It was our own Cooper era, except it wasn’t just consistent losses to our rival, it was consistent losses to a lot of teams that were better and it lasted longer. As the reasonable OSU fans can probably acknowledge, when you lose you your rival 10/12 years or 14/15 or whatever absurd stat came after Cooper was ousted, winning that rivalry game and gaining a championship season out of it is a little more meaningful than getting one when times were good for a long time. The Cavs title in 2016 meant more than atom Brady’s 7th ring for Boston. So just like Clevelanders for a long time, there were definitely some UM fans that needed some sports therapy.
6 is dumb. Byes are dumb. But really the whole tournament is dumb.the golden age
Back to 1983 conference alignments and bowl tie-ins. So much better.
Great drive by ND, getting on the board first. We'll see how they do now that they're off their initial script.agreed. unless your QB has Vick or Lamar like 4.25-4.3 speed and can house call it anytime the ball is in his hands. that shit used to work like a charm in madden with Vick at least.
In the long run, it's not a good thing that your best play is a QB scramble on a called pass play.
First 2 drives are a perfect microcosm.
the chili turned out goodDamn.
not great, but that's OK, it was just a couple bowls for me, not a competition
beer was plenty chilled in the garage - brought it inside
expected low of -15, could freeze in the garage
(https://media.tenor.com/images/3a6a3fbe3828e52cd7e79940cb52a3b9/tenor.gif)All you need to know:
Damn.Chili weather
30s at night here in Phoenix.
I was WAY off.
This could easily be a game that's 28-3 at half.
I'm not sure that's a widely-known thing.Yeah, you see that a lot in the power rankings. "OSU won big, but they got off to a slow start."
Plenty of 41-7 games started out 7-0, with the losing team scoring first.
Makes no sense yo kick fg therewould have made a lot of sense now
the chili turned out goodMy chili turned out sublime and shyt the Bucks win,Day's kid is still in HS school so he may stay around a yr or two. Thank You Carlos Locklyn, and you Fearless for bringing your beer in,I had to lug in over 2 cases myself of basically different sixers - worth saving though. Have some suds by the fire tonite,Ryan Day now has one more national championship than Bo Schembechler. And one with out an * 😎😎😎
not great, but that's OK, it was just a couple bowls for me, not a competition
beer was plenty chilled in the garage - brought it inside
expected low of -15, could freeze in the garage
Corngratsare we turning into the new and improved sec 2.0 fans? does it just mean more now?
B!G, B1G, B!G
great out come for the Big TenSEwho?
toughest conference in the nation
are we turning into the new and improved sec 2.0 fans? does it just mean more now?You have become what you beheld.
Congrats to the Buckeyes. I'd say condolences to the domers, but I wouldn't believe in it, so...Do we even have any ND fans on here ? We had quite a few on many of the old boards. I have vague memories of some old fat guy named Beano Cook expounding how many Heismsns Ron Powlus would win. Beano worked for ESPN, not a poster FYI.
Do we even have any ND fans on here ? We had quite a few on many of the old boards. I have vague memories of some old fat guy named Beano Cook expounding how many Heismsns Ron Powlus would win. Beano worked for ESPN, not a poster FYI.We have one. SFBadger is an ND fan as his wife went there.
@medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547) congrats on the big win! Enjoy it!Thanks!
My chili turned out sublime and shyt the Bucks win,Day's kid is still in HS school so he may stay around a yr or two. Thank You Carlos Locklyn, and you Fearless for bringing your beer in,I had to lug in over 2 cases myself of basically different sixers - worth saving though. Have some suds by the fire tonite,Ryan Day now has one more national championship than Bo Schembechler. And one with out an * 😎😎😎good work with the chili and the sixers, the real cold should get to you in a day or 2.
#FireRyanDay!No, no, no, no...
and their QB cannot throw a football at all…He's a really likable kid. Gritty, good kid, took a beating in a lot of games physically... BUT.. man that kid can't throw a spiral or a decent ball.
Congrats OSU fans. The experience of a championship, especially spending part of the journey with close friends or family is such a memorable ride. Hope it was truly fulfilling as more than just a game.the last 3 game Ducks/Horns/Irish I listened to on the radio as i dropped cable and wasn't springing for stream just for the game. To damn cold to go out late to a pub,specially mondays.Well the Buckeyes played their best 4 game stretch of the season by overhauling their offense after the wasteful effort vs the weasels. So Day getting a bloody nose paid dividends
those golf carts can be trickySpecially after the 19th hole
Insert blonde joke?She had 1 job
Finebaum thinks that Notre Dame is in the Big Ten :othey should be and will be some fine day
Finebaum thinks that Notre Dame is in the Big Ten :ohttps://www.on3.com/college/nebraska-cornhuskers/news/matt-rhule-hilariously-eviscerates-paul-finebaum-over-big-ten-take-following-ohio-state-title/?fbclid=IwY2xjawH9YRZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbuRyZPMgVMYqROqzRYJc4oHoal8UD543PzbQLwLuX9Gd3qccLoaXmZnig_aem_v-RsqfEw5YtsDtqgdJ1kgg (https://www.on3.com/college/nebraska-cornhuskers/news/matt-rhule-hilariously-eviscerates-paul-finebaum-over-big-ten-take-following-ohio-state-title/?fbclid=IwY2xjawH9YRZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbuRyZPMgVMYqROqzRYJc4oHoal8UD543PzbQLwLuX9Gd3qccLoaXmZnig_aem_v-RsqfEw5YtsDtqgdJ1kgg)
It's funny, if OSU fans were saneJust stop right there
greatest 4th place in conference multiple loss team ever ?For sure. Especially since they beat the snot out of the three teams in front of them.
LSU and Les Miles would beg to differ
b) this is the first season of that 2nd loss not mattering at all
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Yo--ND fan here. Not surprised by the outcome. Based on the game mid-3rd quarter, I was surprised that ND managed to inject any excitement into the game at all--and I'm surprised they managed to make it as close as they did. I predicted an 11-point loss (although with slightly different numbers) in my family pool. So I guess I have that going for me.Notre Dame certainly has nothing to feel bad about. When it was 31-7 it could very easily have become a blowout on the scale of UGA/TCU but the Irish held it together, kept fighting, and ultimately were in a one-score game in the fourth quarter of the National Championship, that is a credit to them and their coach.
She was muttering about "36 years..."A few comments on this:
b) this is the first season of that 2nd loss not mattering at all
LSU and Les Miles would beg to differThe distinction, to me anyway, is that back in 2007 when LSU lost a second game, they didn't know that it didn't matter. They got EXTREMELY lucky for it not to matter. In 2024 everyone knew before The Game that Ohio State was in the CFP either way.
Second, do you think, within ND circles that the 1988 NC has a somewhat mythical status that maybe the others don't?1) Yes: because it is currently the last one.
My point is that fanbases are naturally going to reflect back on the most recent NC. In Ohio State's case, that has only been for a dozen years or less for all of them except the 1968 team which was our most recent for so long that it just grew a sorta mythic status because we were still reflecting back on it even those of us who hadn't been born yet when it happened.
1) Yes: because it is currently the last one.The time difference, just like for Ohio State, is striking:
2) Yes, because everyone knows the older MNCs were pretty open to debate. Not all of them, but several. Until this year, the 1988 MNC that ND had was one of the best years a CFB team ever had as far as the competition that they beat to get there. Plus it had Catholics vs. Convicts. That season had everything (for that era). As ND MNCs go, I don't think there's any real debate about 1973 (unbeaten, took down #1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl)*, but Alabama and maybe Arkansas whine about 1977 (all finished the year with one loss and a win in a bowl game), and there's all kinds of lore about the 1966 championship surrounding the MSU tie.
* Unbeaten Ohio State (one tie, with Michigan, also unbeaten, but couldn't go to a bowl game), which smoked USC (its other loss was to ND) in the Rose Bowl, and unbeaten (1 tie, vs. USC), but bowl-ineligible Oklahoma, and unbeaten (12-0) Penn State might dispute 1973, but they can all suck it. :-)
The system was what it was. ND played the best bowl game and was unbeaten and untied. Beating a previously unbeaten Alabama that had pretty well smoked its whole schedule in the Sugar Bowl, more or less a home game for Alabama (same for USC in the Rose Bowl against Ohio State). So ND won the championship. That's how the system worked. Maybe Ohio State did have the best team (with Michigan as a close second). Certainly possible. But based on the standards of the day, going unbeaten and beating unbeaten Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, when no one else did (other than PSU, which played a weaker schedule/bowl) gets ND the title.Agreed. I wasn't arguing that the AP should have voted differently, that was the system and that was how things worked. 11-0 was going to beat 10-0-1 on anything close to comparable schedules.
Also, how great would that 12-team playoff have been?This is a fascinating point. On something like the current 12-team format, here is what I get:
Without doing the full analysis, the AP top 12 at the end of the regular season: Bear Bryant's Alabama, Barry Switzer's Oklahoma, Ara Parseghian's ND, Woody Hayes's Ohio State, Bo Schembechler's Michigan, Joe Paterno's Penn State, John McKay's USC, Darrell Royal's Texas...I mean come on. Epic on top of epic and that's just the top 8. UCLA comes in at 9, Arizona State (as WAC champion) at 10, Texas Tech at 11 (only loss was to Texas), and oh look it's Tom Osborne's Nebraska at 12.
Someone asked about the golden age of college football? There's a case to be made...
Notre Dame certainly has nothing to feel bad about. When it was 31-7 it could very easily have become a blowout on the scale of UGA/TCU but the Irish held it together, kept fighting, and ultimately were in a one-score game in the fourth quarter of the National Championship, that is a credit to them and their coach. A few comments on this:I'm a few years younger than you, and I didn't hear much about 1968 until 2002. Instead it was Archie Griffin era that was held up as the gold standard of CFB history. He played before we were born as well.
First, it makes me feel REALLY old. I well remember ND's NC in 1988 and how can that be 36 years ago.
Second, do you think, within ND circles that the 1988 NC has a somewhat mythical status that maybe the others don't?
Let me explain where that second question comes from: Ohio State has somewhere between 7-9 NC's depending on who you ask but the seven that are pretty widely agreed on are:It always seemed to me that the 1968 team had a sorta mythical status that none of the others have. I think the reason is simply that they were Ohio State's most recent NC for SOOOOOO long. I was born in 1975 so the 1968 team was Ohio State's last NC from before I was born until after I had graduated. In 2002 I was 26 and paid to fly to Vegas and drove down to watch the 2002 NC in person.
- 1942, Paul Brown won the school's first
- 1954, Woody Hayes' first, 12 years later
- 1957, Woody Hayes' second, 3 years later
- 1968, Woody Hayes' third and last, 11 years later
- 2002, Jim Tressel won for the first time in 34 years
- 2014, Urban Meyer won 12 years later
- 2024, Ryan Day won 10 years later
My point is that fanbases are naturally going to reflect back on the most recent NC. In Ohio State's case, that has only been for a dozen years or less for all of them except the 1968 team which was our most recent for so long that it just grew a sorta mythic status because we were still reflecting back on it even those of us who hadn't been born yet when it happened.
I'm a few years younger than you, and I didn't hear much about 1968 until 2002. Instead it was Archie Griffin era that was held up as the gold standard of CFB history. He played before we were born as well.Tressel does not get his due enough. He is the one that flipped the script in THE GAME and started dominating Michigan. Oh and he also won a Natty and beat probably the most talented college football program ever. Those '01-'02 Canes teams were insane. And he beat em. For the Natty. That's LEGEND status right there.
Really it was just "Woody Hayes" until Urban Meyer got hired. Tressel was just a poor man's Woody Hayes. Or maybe a rich man's Earle Bruce.
Tressel does not get his due enough. He is the one that flipped the script in THE GAME and started dominating Michigan. Oh and he also won a Natty and beat probably the most talented college football program ever. Those '01-'02 Canes teams were insane. And he beat em. For the Natty. That's LEGEND status right there.Completely agree with this. He won a title and beat a completely loaded Miami team with Craig Krenzel. Ohio State has had the luxury of absolutely incredible coaching and it completely shifted when the Sweatervest hit campus.
Tressel does not get his due enough. He is the one that flipped the script in THE GAME and started dominating Michigan. Oh and he also won a Natty and beat probably the most talented college football program ever. Those '01-'02 Canes teams were insane. And he beat em. For the Natty. That's LEGEND status right there.
Completely agree with this. He won a title and beat a completely loaded Miami team with Craig Krenzel. Ohio State has had the luxury of absolutely incredible coaching and it completely shifted when the Sweatervest hit campus.Tressel deserves a lot of credit but there is also another Ohio State coach who deserves some . . .
Except 1 area. It's not hating. It's simply reminding them a large amount of them wanted their coach fired at the end of the regular season because of a specific outcome and all of these seniors are still searching for their misplaced gold pants. They did win fair and square and had a great run and had to be a fun time for a Buckeye fan. To go from a place of great frustration at the end of November to the trophy holding Monday night is a huge roller coaster, yet probably awesome ride.100%.
John Cooper brought Ohio State's recruiting into the modern era and made it national.Good Post except for this - it's a repeated fallacy. I brought this up before tOSU had maybe the premier recruiting coordinator in all of CFB. Bill Conley he was on Earle's staff and brought back in '91 after Cooper had a 6 loss and 2-4 loss seasons. With Conley recruitng the Buckeyes records steadily improved but lost repeatedly to U of M. Tress won the 1st yr as a dog then won the whole thing in his 2nd with many of the same players. Conley left CBus after 17 seasons in 2004
someone should probably tell them about 2024 Ohio State vs 2024 Michigan...lol.(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FqeA0jZAlsCHAI%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1)
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100%.Mdot no different than you screaming for Harbaugh's head, referring to him as !@#$%&*+ CTE/Autisic weren't viewed as votes of confidence and I read MGOBOARD and Stadium and Main as they were parroting the same views. It just depends on whose ox is getting gored.
a huge section of the crazy ass OSU fans actually wanted a guy who had won 90% of his games and been to 4 playoffs in 6 years fired. it’s fun to remind them of that. so much so that Day’s family was getting harassed and death threats and he had to have armed police officers on his street apparently.
of course now all those crazies have amnesia.
I was jacked for 2002 NC and the 2014 NC, though nice the Scarlett and Gray got hot at the right time this year and sure it's nice but kind of meh. And the sport has lost alot IMO as by whoring more games out of a schedule the Universities and Networks just can't get enough. Really killing decades old traditions and old rivalries. They'll keep pushing for MORE games until they're poking their ass into Groundhog DayIt's very interesting to read this take. I think a lot of OSU fans are using the additional games as justification why THE GAME doesn't matter and in this circumstance, it's the greatest thing ever and maybe justifiably so. I leaned more towards your take of 12 teams and all these additional games are too much. It watered it down for me. I questioned if I only feel that way because Michigan was on their couch at home, but I don't think that's it.
"Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching that satisfaction." Erich Fromm
Ohio State this year, because of the playoff format, can boast the best post season by far of any team ever (and the only one to have the opportunity so far). Not only did they win against really good competition, but they won relatively easy. Yeah, the Texas game was close until the end, and yeah, ND managed to make it a 1-score game in the fourth quarter, but the ND game was always pretty well in hand, and the dismantlings of Oregon and Tennessee were impressive. So Ohio State ends the season with wins over teams 2-5 in the final AP poll, and six of the top 10 (since Ohio State is #1, that's six of nine other programs in the AP top 10). Without looking, I suspect Ohio State is the only team that can ever claim that.This will become somewhat commonplace going forward because the NC will have to win three or four CFP games that will generally be against top-5 or at least top-10 teams but from a historical perspective this is unreal. Four wins over top-5 teams (4-1 because they also lost to Oregon) and six over top-10 teams (6-1) is just something we have never seen anything like.
1973 is sort of a perfect storm of nearly every blueblood having a great season. Having 6 such programs going undefeated in the regular season was sick.It is pretty crazy, pre-bowl 1973 AP Poll:
Although Penn State was not yet held in such high esteem as it eventually would (didn't help in '94, though), they had experienced great success.
Ehh.. You can't really knock the Notre Dame running game because they didn't give it a chance and when they were suddenly down big, they couldn't rely on the run. Their star running back Love had 4 carries. They had 17 QB sneaks. YPC in that scenario aren't exactly going to tell a big story. Secondly, yards per passing attempt changed wildly on the one play that sealed the win for the Buckeyes in the 56 yard pass to Smith, which was incredibly odd defensive move, especially putting Notre Dame's worst DB on the best WR in the country. OSU dominated the game, but I don't think it was their defense that dominated, it was Notre Dame's defense unable to stop OSU's dominant offense. If anyone isn't getting enough love, it's Will Howard. The guy played a perfect game. The second time OSU was unstoppable and went up 14-7, Notre Dame could tell they had to be aggressive and try to score every possession and got away from what they opened the game with.Yeah, the Ohio State offense scoring TD's on their first four dives did effectively take the rushing option away from the Irish but even when they did try it, after the first drive they had 13 carries for 9 yards. That is some REALLY good defense.
As good as Freeman has been all season, he also had two hugely dumb calls. The fake punt and kicking the field goal with the clock working against him.
Yeah, the Ohio State offense scoring TD's on their first four dives did effectively take the rushing option away from the Irish but even when they did try it, after the first drive they had 13 carries for 9 yards. That is some REALLY good defense.But dive deeper into those stats by score and timing...
Agree on Will Howard. He's taken some crap but that was a near-perfect game.
Yeah, the Ohio State offense scoring TD's on their first four dives did effectively take the rushing option away from the Irish but even when they did try it, after the first drive they had 13 carries for 9 yards. That is some REALLY good defense.That's especially good defense since the ND offense had to pass and the OSU defense KNEW the ND offense had to pass. There should have been more room for delayed runs/etc as the OSU defense was likely pinning their ears back to rush the passer and back 7 sitting in coverage.
Agree on Will Howard. He's taken some crap but that was a near-perfect game.
What's definitely true is that between the end of ND's second drive, and Ohio State's fumble, the game didn't look remotely close. Fair to say Ohio State was much better on both sides of the ball during that stretch.I'd cut it off at when it got to 31 to 7. Here are all possessions from 7-0 to 31-7: