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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on December 31, 2024, 05:48:56 PM
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I do love this setup, one game NYE, all day playoffs on NYD. Mostly curious to see what attendance is like, with potentially 3 very expensive trips ahead for some fans.
I put my picks in the game threads, but I think the favorites all come through, and we get Oregon-Texas and Georgia-PSU in the semifinals.
Oddly, Georgia is the one I feel the least confident in, but I think they are the one team who gets a true home field advantage.
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I do love this setup, one game NYE, all day playoffs on NYD. Mostly curious to see what attendance is like, with potentially 3 very expensive trips ahead for some fans.
I put my picks in the game threads, but I think the favorites all come through, and we get Oregon-Texas and Georgia-PSU in the semifinals.
Oddly, Georgia is the one I feel the least confident in, but I think they are the one team who gets a true home field advantage.
I kinda like ND. Also- I agree with your other picks, but OSU is favored.
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Ticket prices are depressed but for the Rose Bowl.
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I am going to be out of town and busy during the semi final game if ohio state wins tomorrow. Not good
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I am going to be out of town and busy during the semi final game if ohio state wins tomorrow. Not good
Not good meaning watching the game lol
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That may be the worst shank in the history of shanks (unless it was touched, but it did not look like it)
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What an opening drive by Penn State after the shanked FG
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Penn State marches straight down the field
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38-yard TD pass, 14-0 Penn State
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wow, what a play to strip Jeanty and control it in bounds
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Welp, turned the ball right back over
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Franklin got too cute when we were pinned deep, led to a punt (with poor punt coverage) and then a TD for Boise. Need to get out of our own way
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They're hanging around.
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39 yards on 13 carries, with 2 fumbles. Legend.
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39 yards on 13 carries, with 2 fumbles. Legend.
He hasn't looked close to dangerous at all, but I still fear him over anyone else on his team
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Boise scores easily, 17-14 Penn State
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They're coming back.
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What a catch by Tyler Warren to put Penn State up ten again 24-14
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Boise's OC is doing a good job and they're executing well. PSU is good enough to slow down their Lamborghini, but they're still feeding him carries, as they should. But they're productive in the passing game, which is only doable with PSU continuing to key on Jeanty, as THEY should.
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Ugh, QB acting like they need the 3rd and 25. Idiot. Get some yards, kick the FG. Down 7.
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That was such a poor throw, glad we could pick it off.
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Will we bleed out from the multiple GSWs to the foot, or will the defense hold out?
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lol, Jeanty gets a big gain vs a prevent defense.
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Not a shank, but another miss by Boise's kicker keeps Penn State up 10
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Nick Singleton with the long run to (hopefully) seal it
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Pathetic attempt to get Jeanty the record
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As an ever pessimistic sports fan, glad Penn State could take care of the easy track to get to the semis.
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This is what these G5 programs are going to find, in this incarnation of the playoff. There's no more mess-around-and-steal-a-win from an unmotivated big-boy team.
Their goals are in front of them. Ruh roh.
All the cute upsets we've had are largely over, and the few times they do still occur, it's a TCU '22 situation where their reward is an even better big-boy team in the next round.
The reality of a seat at the table isn't going to be kind to them. Duh.
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All the cute upsets we've had are largely over, and the few times they do still occur, it's a TCU '22 situation where their reward is an even better big-boy team in the next round.
Even that isn't going to be replicated often. TCU only won because they lucked into a dirty cheating program that forgot to cheat against them. Otherwise TCU never sniffs the CG.
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What a perfectly normal college football game. Fine evening at the stadium.
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It would seem odd, to me, if PSU win the NC. They have been a forgotten team this season.
OSU could win and for their fans it might seem odd as well.
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Even that isn't going to be replicated often. TCU only won because they lucked into a dirty cheating program that forgot to cheat against them. Otherwise TCU never sniffs the CG.
Everybody knows the only reason why TCU won is because they played with their hair on fire. Get it straight mister.
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Sometimes obviously a "TCU" simply wins the game, it's a statistical probability they will given enough such tries.
There is a lot of randomness in a CFB contest.
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Kiesza a featured opener at Rose Bowl Parade, uh, not good.
I've had two different friends provide polar opposite views on the Rose parade. Worst time, biggest waste of time, miserable experience vs all time once In a lifetime bucket list.
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Kiesza a featured opener at Rose Bowl Parade, uh, not good.
I've had two different friends provide polar opposite views on the Rose parade. Worst time, biggest waste of time, miserable experience vs all time once In a lifetime bucket list.
I live here and I've never had ANY desire to go see that.
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I was pondering which team most NEEDS to win the NC. Obviously, it would put ASU on the map, for a bit anyway, but I suspect that isn't at all likely.
1. OSU - Reprieve for Day, would make up for the one bad loss in spades.
2. PSU - Would put an end to the notion Franklin can't win the Big Ones, for a while.
3. Notre Dame - They seem able to have good records but lack the last shiny thing.
4. Texas - They would be back.
5. Oregon - It would be a great thing obviously for the program, but perhaps they need it less than others?
6. UGA - It would bring them more luster and some bragging rights to 3 in 4 years.
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I have no interest in parades of any kind.
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We happened upon the St. Patrick's Day parade here in 2024 and watched for a while. There were some interesting groups, and some boring ones. It looked like a fun gig for the HS bands. One group has ostriches. There were some mounted police. The mayor went by. I think overall it was good for the local businesses as there was quite a crowd watching.
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I live here and I've never had ANY desire to go see that.
Saw it in 1980. On a student rose bowl package. Had to get up real early after being up late for nye. Would have rather stayed on bed. But if I missed the bus to the parade I wouldn't be able to get to the game since we went straight to the game from the parade
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I was pondering which team most NEEDS to win the NC. Obviously, it would put ASU on the map, for a bit anyway, but I suspect that isn't at all likely.
1. OSU - Reprieve for Day, would make up for the one bad loss in spades.
2. PSU - Would put an end to the notion Franklin can't win the Big Ones, for a while.
3. Notre Dame - They seem able to have good records but lack the last shiny thing.
4. Texas - They would be back.
5. Oregon - It would be a great thing obviously for the program, but perhaps they need it less than others?
6. UGA - It would bring them more luster and some bragging rights to 3 in 4 years.
ASU or Oregon winning would be our first first-time AP Champion since Florida in 1996.
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Sometimes obviously a "TCU" simply wins the game, it's a statistical probability they will given enough such tries.
There is a lot of randomness in a CFB contest.
There is, but THAT result wasn't random. Their opponent cheated to get there and had cheated in anticipation of most potential opponents but didn't bother to cheat as against the Frogs.
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Saw it in 1980. On a student rose bowl package. Had to get up real early after being up late for nye. Would have rather stayed on bed. But if I missed the bus to the parade I wouldn't be able to get to the game since we went straight to the game from the parade
I went in 1997. It was a family trip of my parents, brother, and I. Mom isn't much interested in football so we bribed her with the parade.
I think, like @betarhoalphadelta (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=19) if I lived there I certainly wouldn't go every year but I'm glad I saw it once.
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I would have lost a bet with myself. Not only is this not Arizona State's first Peach Bowl, I would not have known that, but neither appearance repping Pac 12.
ASU was in the 1970 Peach Bowl as a WAC member.
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Did ASU try to save a buck or two on the tiny lettering on the Unis?
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Well that was quick
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https://www.houseofsparky.com/2012/12/19/3782636/asu-football-bowl-history-1970-peach-bowl-victory-unc
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If ASU doesn't do something on their next drive, this could get really ugly.
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Sitting in a bar/restaurant with a bunch of asu fans. They are shell shocked
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They're in uncharted territory. 1996 was a loooong time ago.
Here in Phx, they remind me of Tennessee fans, all optimistic and excited. But it's cute, because they don't know any better, because football is not important to them. They're just happy to have a good season and think they have like a 50/50 shot at winning today.
Tennessee fans have been horribly disappointed so many times over the years, that they should know better....but they never do.
Being a knowledgeable college football fan, I just reply to ASU fans saying they could win it with a "yeah....maybe?!"
Bless their hearts.
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Wow, Texas going for it on ASU's 10 is disrespectful, lol. Want to have this wrapped up by halftime-type thinking.
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All these lower seeded teams are making some noise.
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All these lower seeded teams are making some noise.
All these lower seeds except 1 are favored this round
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Need to give conference champs automatic bids but not byes
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All kinds of rumors that the sugar bowl is going to be postponed. Believe it when I see it
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All kinds of rumors that the sugar bowl is going to be postponed. Believe it when I see it
Looking like it might be official
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Need to give conference champs automatic bids but not byes
I'm even fine with the byes. But seed the 8 teams based on their actual seeding, don't make the 4 byes automatically the top 4 seeds.
So we'd have...
#1 Oregon vs. #11 Arizona State
#2 Georgia vs. #9 Boise State
#3 Texas vs. #6 Ohio State
#4 Penn State vs. #5 Notre Dame
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I'm even fine with the byes. But seed the 8 teams based on their actual seeding, don't make the 4 byes automatically the top 4 seeds.
So we'd have...
#1 Oregon vs. #11 Arizona State
#2 Georgia vs. #9 Boise State
#3 Texas vs. #6 Ohio State
#4 Penn State vs. #5 Notre Dame
This is my thing. Why on earth rank them and then seed them???? It makes no sense to do both.
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Great fake punt by ASU!
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I'd love to have the 'top seeds' pick their opponent in draft style.
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Is ASU outplaying Texas?
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Is ASU outplaying Texas?
Playing well but can't get it into endzone. Keep making mistakes to kill drives
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Skattabo probably should have not talked about nobody being able to stop him this past week.
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Gotta credit ASU for not folding.
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Coach wasn't wrong when he said they'd have open tryouts for kickers
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ASU allergic to red zones.
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That's probably the game
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Skateboo is impressive.
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Is Texas going to mess around and lose this game?!?
Why does #23 only have 4 carries?! He is a dude. I'm sure 26 is good and all, but I don't get it.
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This is amazing.
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Wow wow wow.
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That's probably the game
Not aging well
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Is Texas going to mess around and lose this game?!?
Why does #23 only have 4 carries?! He is a dude. I'm sure 26 is good and all, but I don't get it.
Give credit to ASU. They brought it today.
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Anybody trust Ewers to win this?
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Anybody trust Ewers to win this?
Depends where his head is.
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Anybody trust Ewers to win this?
Yes.
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Auburn beefed it
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ASU has a shot now.
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ASU has a shot now.
They don’t have a realistic, field-goal kicker, even if they do get into position
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I don't know how they don't call targeting against Texas
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I don't know how they don't call targeting against Texas
I don’t think anybody knows, including the college football officials what targeting is.
It is completely 100% random
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I love to know why that wasn't targeting
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Auburn missed again wow
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Auburn with a little extra beef.
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Rose dumped to deuce.
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I don’t think anybody knows, including the college football officials what targeting is.
It is completely 100% random
This.
Because of this literally all of us can think of calls made against our teams despite the play not being bad and calls not made against opponents of our teams despite the play being worse.
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The refs don’t know what targeting is, nor offensive pass interference, apparently.
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This is an amazing game.
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Pretty sure a belly to back suplex of your own player into the end zone isn’t legal.
But….TD. LOL
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This is an amazing game.
Texas Board doesn't think so
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How do you let a Texas receiver get behind you in that situation.
That’s the most Tennessee shit I’ve ever seen.
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This game has gone totally nonlinear.
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How do you let a Texas receiver get behind you in that situation.
That’s the most Tennessee shit I’ve ever seen.
I think they decided to blitz and man up. Such is life.
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I think they decided to blitz and man up. Such is life.
They forgot the man up part.
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They forgot the man up part.
Everyone likes to talk about tight man coverage until they realize how hard it is.
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Helluva game
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Nice start in Pasadena!
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Great googley-moogely who are these guys,nevermind just keep it up
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Keep on keeping on
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Skattabo probably should have not talked about nobody being able to stop him this past week.
Why?
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RIP the victims in New Orleans didn't know as I was at work and no one mentioned anything
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Congrats to Texas and their fans @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) they earned that win.
Proud of the season ASU had and proud of the fight they displayed when it looked like this game could've gotten pretty ugly in the first quarter.
Absolutely no one, including the most homer of homer Sun Devils fans, thought we'd be here so I can't be too mad about today.
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Oregon is looking for the reset button.
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Looks like Cardale Jones vs Wisconsin
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Fire Ryan Day!
Best thing that ever happened to Ohio State was Michigan going into Columbus and taking their manhood and bullying them at the LoS.
boy have the Buckeyes responded in the trenches since then.
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#7 for Oregon is quite a little bitch
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Fire Ryan Day!
Best thing that ever happened to Ohio State was Michigan going into Columbus and taking their manhood and bullying them at the LoS.
boy have the Buckeyes responded in the trenches since then.
Nah, they just thought they could win in a way that wasnt them. Day screwed that up. He figured theyd win, so he wanted to win a street fight. He was so cocky he wanted to choose his method of victory. OSU playing as OSU is this, and they wouldnt have lost that game if they had actually played to their personnel
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well, the Ducks are playing PAC west coast defense
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Nah, they just thought they could win in a way that wasnt them. Day screwed that up. He figured theyd win, so he wanted to win a street fight. He was so cocky he wanted to choose his method of victory. OSU playing as OSU is this, and they wouldnt have lost that game if they had actually played to their personnel
Correct. And even then- 2 missed chip shot FGs were the difference
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the missed FGs weren't Day's fault, but the loss is.
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Just looking at the path for any of the 5-12 seeds, this gauntlet after a normal regular season is the toughest SOS ever, right? Honestly, aside from Penn State, this exceeds 2020 Alabama, which has that brag imo (zero layups).
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Take OSU....their regular season included @Oregon, @Penn St, #5 at the time IU....then basically 4 straight games vs top 8 teams (if they win the NC). That's 13 straight games vs P4 teams, including 7 top 10 teams. That's nuts.
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Nah, they just thought they could win in a way that wasnt them. Day screwed that up. He figured theyd win, so he wanted to win a street fight. He was so cocky he wanted to choose his method of victory. OSU playing as OSU is this, and they wouldnt have lost that game if they had actually played to their personnel
Exactly. 100% mental, 100% on Day.
the missed FGs weren't Day's fault, but the loss is.
Exactly, if Day had gameplanned to the personnel he has, a couple missed FG's wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
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Never saw this coming,course they were not at home but down 3 O-linemen and the Ducks D-Line evidently was full strength
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Never saw this coming,course they were not at home but down 3 O-linemen and the Ducks D-Line evidently was full strength
No- you didn’t. You have been pissy all week.
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Thin oline specially when one was the Rimington award winner well ask any coach and he'd rather have that depth back. But the boys seized the initiative and never looked back
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Just looking at the path for any of the 5-12 seeds, this gauntlet after a normal regular season is the toughest SOS ever, right? Honestly, aside from Penn State, this exceeds 2020 Alabama, which has that brag imo (zero layups).
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Take OSU....their regular season included @Oregon, @Penn St, #5 at the time IU....then basically 4 straight games vs top 8 teams (if they win the NC). That's 13 straight games vs P4 teams, including 7 top 10 teams. That's nuts.
Every future NC will have a harder schedule than any team prior to the CFP.
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If you think about it, prior to 2014 it was RARE for any team to play more than two top-10 teams in a season. From 2014-2023 it was almost always what four or five for the NC. Now it will be half a dozen or more.
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Every future NC will have a harder schedule than any team prior to the CFP.
I think a team with a bye and a weak schedule wouldn't qualify. But a team that has to play a 1st round game and had a normal schedule does.
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I think they are going to 14 teams, with the Big Ten and SEC champs getting the 2 byes, but even if you want to reward conference champs with byes in the current format, which Im ok with, just to add some meaning to those games, then I still think you need to reseed each round
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So this playoff has been 6 terrible games, and arguably the greatest game in college football history?
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If the final 4 is 2 SEC and 2 B1G, they're definitely going to hold everyone else hostage even moreso in altering the playoff for next year.
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If the final 4 is 2 SEC and 2 B1G, they're definitely going to hold everyone else hostage even moreso in altering the playoff for next year.
as they should. ACC is god awful and B12 isn't much better.
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If the final 4 is 2 SEC and 2 B1G, they're definitely going to hold everyone else hostage even moreso in altering the playoff for next year.
Correct, but results have nothing to do with it. ASU could have pulled it out, and ND wins tomorrow, and it wouldnt mean a thing
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Why?
Tale of two halves.
You should be proud of your team. They deserved to win and probably would have if that obvious targeting was called.
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I think they are going to 14 teams, with the Big Ten and SEC champs getting the 2 byes, but even if you want to reward conference champs with byes in the current format, which Im ok with, just to add some meaning to those games, then I still think you need to reseed each round
They should have only went to 6 and that's it.Not that the powers that be care what we/I think they go to 14 they can eat me. I wonder what the viewing audience was last night w/o ABC showing the OSU/Ore Game
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I preferred six as well, but whatever, $$$$$.
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I don’t think anybody knows, including the college football officials what targeting is.
It is completely 100% random
IMO that hit was incidental and not intended DB was coming in to stop receiver. It was certainly a bang-bang collision and there was helmet to helmet and the receiver was defenseless. It's really hard to avoid those collisions as players are naturally leaning forward with their head. What does a DB do? Stop and wait until the ball is caught then wrap up? Players have to be coached/taught to slide their helmets to the side instead of lead with it.
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I preferred six as well, but whatever, $$$$$.
Ya I suppose the Ducks and their fans feel jilted after a perfect season. They won at home by 1 pt vs this same team,like Bama getting a do over vs LSU in '11 or '12 whenever it was.Networks and University Athletic Depts are whoors
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how about lean forward enuff to hit someone lower than the head and neck area?
it was obviously a helmet to helmet hit, forcible contact above the shoulders
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Correct, but results have nothing to do with it. ASU could have pulled it out, and ND wins tomorrow, and it wouldnt mean a thing
Ed Zachery
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I think it did not involve "crown of the helmet", maybe that was a factor.
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The ND-UGA victor will face PSU who is looking pretty salty these days, but I think either of the first two would be favored by about 5. Ohio State will be favored over Texas by 3-4-5 I suspect, it's probably already listed. We could have a final that is all from one conference. We're getting down to near helmet/helmet teams now.
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They should have only went to 6 and that's it.Not that the powers that be care what we/I think they go to 14 they can eat me. I wonder what the viewing audience was last night w/o ABC showing the OSU/Ore Game
were you part of the listening audience?
I agree that these games are important enuff for national TV
When Sleepy Joe callas a press conference, it's on ABC
games on peacock, netflix, and Amazon Prime bother me too, but that's what sports bars are for.
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how about lean forward enuff to hit someone lower than the head and neck area?
it was obviously a helmet to helmet hit, forcible contact above the shoulders
Agreed are coaches encouraging this though. I know some of the players are asses and looking for the big hit w/o wrapping up. And that is the whole idea of lowering the helmet. We've all seen a DB slam into a receiver who spun off and got xtra yds or even a score. All because the tackler couldn't be bothered with fundamentals. When I played that is what they coached and it made sense at least I could trip up a big tight end as he was stomping over me
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I think it did not involve "crown of the helmet", maybe that was a factor.
yup. maybe no "launch" as well
The crown of the helmet can be a small area
it's not a hard definition and up to judgement like many penalties
but, this one did injure the receiver - that might be a factor
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I reveled in the Texas0ASU game as being almost as good as a Texas bowl game a few years back. I was pulling for the underdog and Skatteboo, he balled out.
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Agreed are coaches encouraging this though. I know some of the players are asses and looking for the big hit w/o wrapping up. And that is the whole idea of lowering the helmet. We've all seen a DB slam into a receiver who spun off and got xtra yds or even a score. All because the tackler couldn't be bothered with fundamentals. When I played that is what they coached and it made sense at least I could trip up a big tight end as he was stomping over me
yup, tackling high is a pet peeve of mine
anything above the waist has the possibility of a broken tackle and more yards
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were you part of the listening audience?
Yes but not the viewing one,that I caughton youtube last nite and now
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I reveled in the Texas0ASU game as being almost as good as a Texas bowl game a few years back. I was pulling for the underdog and Skatteboo, he balled out.
if Cam had not been physically ill and pukin, he may have beaten the Horns by himself
much more deserving of a trophy than the kid from Boise
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yup. maybe no "launch" as well
The crown of the helmet can be a small area
it's not a hard definition and up to judgement like many penalties
but, this one did injure the receiver - that might be a factor
After watching 3 different angles the refs had to flag that. Who knows what happens next but ASU had to like their chances with their momentum
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I reveled in the Texas0ASU game as being almost as good as a Texas bowl game a few years back. I was pulling for the underdog and Skatteboo, he balled out.
I was blissfully unaware not knowing squat of this guy and damn he was exciting and a baller
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IMO that hit was incidental and not intended DB was coming in to stop receiver. It was certainly a bang-bang collision and there was helmet to helmet and the receiver was defenseless. It's really hard to avoid those collisions as players are naturally leaning forward with their head. What does a DB do? Stop and wait until the ball is caught then wrap up? Players have to be coached/taught to slide their helmets to the side instead of lead with it.
Well no shit. You just described 99% of targeting calls.
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I was blissfully unaware not knowing squat of this guy and damn he was exciting and a baller
hah, you should have watched Cam's game last week vs the Iowa State Clones
but, probably wasn't on ABC!!!
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Well no shit. You just described 99% of targeting calls.
If it was no-shit obvious why wasn't it called - in the playoffs no less? As one poster on a Buckeye Board stated:
"I get the refs probably don't want to decide a game with a call, but damn guys, what do you think the non-call did?
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Texas targeting call, explained: Why Longhorns weren't penalized for helmet-to-helmet hit in win vs. Arizona State | Sporting News (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/texas-targeting-call-explained-why-longhorns-werent-penalized-helmet-helmet-hit-win-vs-arizona-state/f4c0ed3b95aa2916729e749e#:~:text=What is targeting in college,by launching at a player.)
Per the rulebook, a few examples of targeting are as follows:
- Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
- A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
- Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
- Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
Taaffe's lid certainly made contact with Stovall's helmet. But the typical tenets of targeting — the launch, the crouch, the lowering of the head — weren't quite as easy to spot. That might've been the Longhorns' defensive back's saving grace.
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or if you believe in conspiracies........
the refs protecting the higher seed SEC team
for ratings in the next round
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If the refs are in ANY way associating with a desire for one team to win over the other, I would lose all interest in the sport. I don't think they are, I could be wrong at times.
On any occasion where they are biased I'd say it was due to concerns for their safety and/or wallet.
They can call holding on nearly every play, and DPI on many plays, and too many men in the backfield pretty often.
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they don't call holding on teams the Buckeyes are playing
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they don't call holding on teams the Buckeyes are playing
Wouldn't that be evidence of an anti-Buckeye strategy though?
Which would be exactly counter to "protecting the money-making programs"?
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or if you believe in conspiracies........
the refs protecting the higher seed SEC team
for ratings in the next round
Winner-winner chicken dinner :cheer:;D
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Texas targeting call, explained: Why Longhorns weren't penalized for helmet-to-helmet hit in win vs. Arizona State | Sporting News (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/texas-targeting-call-explained-why-longhorns-werent-penalized-helmet-helmet-hit-win-vs-arizona-state/f4c0ed3b95aa2916729e749e#:~:text=What is targeting in college,by launching at a player.)
Per the rulebook, a few examples of targeting are as follows:
- Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
- A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
- Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
- Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
Taaffe's lid certainly made contact with Stovall's helmet. But the typical tenets of targeting — the launch, the crouch, the lowering of the head — weren't quite as easy to spot. That might've been the Longhorns' defensive back's saving grace.
I know targeting isnt exact between levls of football, but those are guidelines to determine whether targeting occur. At the high school level we are taught to look for certain "signs" to determine whether targeting occured. One might be did the opponent launch, but a launch is not necessary for it to be targeting. Biggest thing to look for is leading with the helmet, but again not necessary. One thing that is required is that it was forceful.
Personally I am guessing that the reason they didn't call targeting was it wasn't with the "crown" of the helmet. Again I don't think it is necessary to call targeting but an indication of targeting. I would love to hear an explanation by the official reviewer as to why it wasn't targeting.
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The Buckeyes have the most fans in the country, I think, so they should get favorable calls.
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I, for one, have very little sympathy for the Buckeyes
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It wasn't targeting, B1G refs got it right, good on them.
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Congrats to Texas and their fans @utee94 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=15) they earned that win.
Proud of the season ASU had and proud of the fight they displayed when it looked like this game could've gotten pretty ugly in the first quarter.
Absolutely no one, including the most homer of homer Sun Devils fans, thought we'd be here so I can't be too mad about today.
Your Sun Devils played an awesome game, I told you on the other thread that Skattebo terrified me. Congrats on a great season, and best of luck next year.
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Your Sun Devils played an awesome game, I told you on the other thread that Skattebo terrified me. Congrats on a great season, and best of luck next year.
He has a bright future ahead of him but he needs to learn to not poke the bear
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So now it's a four team playoff with zero conference champions?
Far out.
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Expensive tickets.
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It wasn't targeting, B1G refs got it right, good on them.
Got any more of those drugs?
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Got any more of those drugs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJDtukGW79Y
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Ya that's what the guy who got laid out was doing
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The committee never would have selected these four teams.
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The committee never would have selected these four teams.
Nope.
It would have been Oregon, Georgia, ASU and Boise.
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Nope.
It would have been Oregon, Georgia, ASU and Boise.
then thank god for the 12 team playoff....
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Nope.
It would have been Oregon, Georgia, ASU and Boise.
Well, no, ASU and Boise wouldn't have been in under the old format.
I think it would have been Oregon, Georgia, then who knows? Texas and Notre Dame?
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So now it's a four team playoff with zero conference champions?
Far out.
how it should have been the past 5 years
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Well, no, ASU and Boise wouldn't have been in under the old format.
I think it would have been Oregon, Georgia, then who knows? Texas and Notre Dame?
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Bingo, PSU Left out
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accurate...
https://twitter.com/BoozeCougs/status/1874991478755467346
https://twitter.com/JasonBaconUSA/status/1874998916661588337
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Helmet lineup for the semifinals, pretty pretty cool.
(https://i.imgur.com/erqXNbW.png)
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Helmet lineup for the semifinals, pretty pretty cool.
[img width=500 height=178.984]https://i.imgur.com/erqXNbW.png[/img]
ESPN is about as happy as they could be for a Final 4 that doesn't include an SEC team. Host venues as well
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ESPN is about as happy as they could be for a Final 4 that doesn't include an SEC team. Host venues as well
I mean, I don't really consider Texas an SEC team either, but for the purposes of television revenue, I'm pretty sure that ESPN does. :)
This is a great helmet final 4 matchup, and also a pretty outstanding "Hater's Ball" of college football. I'm not sure there are 4 teams more universally hated than these 4. Which is absolutely fantastic for TV ratings.
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I mean, I don't really consider Texas an SEC team either, but for the purposes of television revenue, I'm pretty sure that ESPN does. :)
This is a great helmet final 4 matchup, and also a pretty outstanding "Hater's Ball" of college football. I'm not sure there are 4 teams more universally hated than these 4. Which is absolutely fantastic for TV ratings.
There's room for more helmets on the hate train, I'm sure.
There is only one in this current list that I disdain (I don't hate).
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I mean, I don't really consider Texas an SEC team either, but for the purposes of television revenue, I'm pretty sure that ESPN does. :)
This is a great helmet final 4 matchup, and also a pretty outstanding "Hater's Ball" of college football. I'm not sure there are 4 teams more universally hated than these 4. Which is absolutely fantastic for TV ratings.
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I would wager there are a lot more folks with negative feelings about Alabama than Penn State. If I were guessing, I would throw USC into the mix for most hated as well.
Penn State's life as an independent pre-Big11, and then its failure to dominate the BigInteger has made it difficult to really hate.
Texas, Ohio State, and Notre Dame? Plenty of hate to go around.
Also, this does feel like a right and proper final four. Certainly reflects traditional powers in college football. Particularly for the midwest. :-)
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I think ND is most pervasively loathed, probably followed by Alabama and Eastern Michigan.
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I would wager there are a lot more folks with negative feelings about Alabama than Penn State. If I were guessing, I would throw USC into the mix for most hated as well.
Penn State's life as an independent pre-Big11, and then its failure to dominate the BigInteger has made it difficult to really hate.
Texas, Ohio State, and Notre Dame? Plenty of hate to go around.
Also, this does feel like a right and proper final four. Certainly reflects traditional powers in college football. Particularly for the midwest. :-)
Every person I know absolutely loathes Penn State for being a much of child rapists, child rapist enablers, and child rapist apologists, so I'm not sure I'd agree with you there.
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Every person I know absolutely loathes Penn State for being a much of child rapists, child rapist enablers, and child rapist apologists, so I'm not sure I'd agree with you there.
Fair. I don't know many people that loathe Penn State. I do know a lot of people who view Paterno's legacy as terribly tarnished.
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I don't know anyone that hates PSU
Only Big Ten fans hate OSU
not much hate for the Horns outside the old SWC
many folks do hate the irish
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Come on Gophers. Get a TD here.
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Crap. Got nothing.
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Hokies with first blood
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all square
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I think some of yall need to get out more.
Lots of folks hate PSU and TU outside familiar geographic posts.
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hey, I travel Iowa, Nebraska, and South Dakota ;)
there are a few folks in the state of Nebraska that strongly dislike UT
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Every person I know absolutely loathes Penn State for being a much of child rapists, child rapist enablers, and child rapist apologists, so I'm not sure I'd agree with you there.
I don't feel this way, but I encounter comments like this a lot on other message boards I hang out on. The hate for PSU is strong for the reasons you already listed.
Short of PSU getting the football death penalty, many feel there is no penalty strong enough for what happened to those children. They can't stand how PSU fans downplay what happened on Joe Paterno's watch.
For me, I don't necessarily hate PSU, I was shocked at the time the child molesting details came out in graphic detail. Part of me understands why not everybody has moved on, I just don't feel that PSU needs to be punished forever.
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I don't know anyone that hates PSU
Only Big Ten fans hate OSU
not much hate for the Horns outside the old SWC
many folks do hate the irish
Coming from you, of all people, this is HI LARIOUS.
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I don't feel this way, but I encounter comments like this a lot on other message boards I hang out on. The hate for PSU is strong for the reasons you already listed.
Short of PSU getting the football death penalty, many feel there is no penalty strong enough for what happened to those children. They can't stand how PSU fans downplay what happened on Joe Paterno's watch.
For me, I don't necessarily hate PSU, I was shocked at the time the child molesting details came out in graphic detail. Part of me understands why not everybody has moved on, I just don't feel that PSU needs to be punished forever.
It's certainly personal. For me there is no limit to the punishment that PSU and Baylor should receive.
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I feel like most people laugh at Penn State rather than hate on them- they haven't really done anything in the last 40 years to warrant the hate. No Natty's in the 90s, 2000s, 2010's, or 2020's to speak of. I think maybe one or two B1G titles since they joined in 1994. CFB Playoff been around for a decade and this is the first time they've ever made it and they only made it because it expanded to 12- not because they had an excellent resume and argument to make the top 4- just so happens it went to 12 and committee needed filler to get to 12. Does anyone even really take them seriously enough to hate them? Probably more indifference or pity there than hate imo.
I feel like the 5 most hated teams are probably 1. Notre Dame (and rightfully so), 2. Ohio State (fan base are complete nutjobs and they are always winning), 3. Alabama (fan base are also complete nutjobs and Saban had the gumps dominate the entire sport and suck all the air out the room the last 17 years), 4. Georgia (everybody gotta be sick of Kirby doing his best Saban impression and the Jawjaw gang winning damn near everything the last 4-5 years and of course of the high speed car chases/crashes), and 5. Michigan (dirty scoundrel cheaters)....probably in that order.
I feel like of the helmety teams Texas and USC are actually probably more liked by random run of the mill fans than the others. Nebraska might be most well liked now actually just because of the pity factor. Been a long sad 30 years for them Corn loving mouthbreathers.
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I feel like most people laugh at Penn State rather than hate on them- they haven't really done anything in the last 40 years to warrant the hate. No Natty's in the 90s, 2000s, 2010's, or 2020's to speak of.
Well that '94 team certainly could have gotten a MNC.They had 3 guys taken in the 1st Rd.And in the '90s/2000s they spit out guys like Arrington,Courtney Brown,Haynes,Hali,Conlen,Zemaitis,Posluszny, Odrick....... Who knows,Big Game James just might pull off the impossible.
I remember on the old board in/around '06 after Joe Pa soiled himself in C-Bus myself and a minority then said it was time for him to go. The game and father time had passed him by.And too many chimed in "no he does things the right way blah,blah,blah". If everyone knew what he either ignored or think possible had reared it's ugly head and sunk him and the schools brand.Which is too bad but there were just too many deniers about either his cognitive abilities(like lefties with sleepy Joe) or Sandusky's heinous acts that made matters worse
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Mdot my misguided Michigan coorespondent - Michigan at 5,debatable, :111: they are very much hated with massive head wound Harbaugh insisting he does things the right way too. Hiding team captain UZI Smith's gun charge for 2 months while right down the road a week after that incident there was the unfortunate Virginia team shootings.Just that should vault your boys up the list. But hey jim did report it after they ran the table the rest of the season
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I come from a different generation from the current kids, but I always considered Michigan much more hated than Ohio St.
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I come from a different generation from the current kids, but I always considered Michigan much more hated than Ohio St.
Same.
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me too
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You have to be somehow significant to be hated.
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Michigan used to have a lot of overly arrogant fans. They'd win 9 and lose 2 every season (and lose the Rose Bowl), and the fans would give us the speech on how their team has the best winning percentage in all of football (not anymore), mostly due to being in the Big 2/Little 8 conference.
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I think most schools with a good program have arrogant fans. And opposing fans will minimize whatever they have to brag about, and vice versa.
I was around a lot of OSU fans back in the day, those fellows were pretty rational, for fans. That isn't universal.
I'd guess Bama fans think UGA is a "flash in the pan" akin to Clemson, etc. UGA fans are happy Bama had four losses. It's fandom.
My least favorite commercial is about those cheese it things, whatever they are.
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You have to be somehow significant to be hated.
I agree so let's hate TEXAS uppity Oilmen's kids and Cowboy braggarts
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Nobody around here hates Michigan.
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Meh. Texas is a Johnny Come Lately, they are having their one decent season I guess after losing the important CONFERENCE TITLE, flash in the pan.
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Nobody around here hates Michigan.
Bwahahahaha - you have to get out of that scorching sun
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Bwahahahaha - you have to get out of that scorching sun
Eh. Nobody really thinks about or cares about Michigan down here. Folks think of them as a harmless little blue blood that's struggled in recent decades. They're similar to Texas in that sense. People were actually happy they won the NC last year.
Ohio State has been so good for so long, they've generated a lot of hate.
It's okay to be hated. In most cases it means you're winning. A lot.
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Does anyone today really hate USC? I mean, their cheerleaders are reason not to.
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I LOVE the song girls
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Does anyone today really hate USC? I mean, their cheerleaders are reason not to.
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Yeah their cheerleaders are very accommodating, they even cheer for the opponent's TDs.
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I think most schools with a good program have arrogant fans. And opposing fans will minimize whatever they have to brag about, and vice versa.
I was around a lot of OSU fans back in the day, those fellows were pretty rational, for fans. That isn't universal.
I'd guess Bama fans think UGA is a "flash in the pan" akin to Clemson, etc. UGA fans are happy Bama had four losses. It's fandom.
My least favorite commercial is about those cheese it things, whatever they are.
I woke up feelin the Cheesiest, Coach!
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Yeah their cheerleaders are very accommodating, they even cheer for the opponent's TDs.
(https://i.imgur.com/IGvTRAR.png)
well, one of the blondes did
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Lots of people used to hate Nebraska. It's the winning that brings the hate.
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and the infamous Husker Prick Squad
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I feel like most people laugh at Penn State rather than hate on them- they haven't really done anything in the last 40 years to warrant the hate. No Natty's in the 90s, 2000s, 2010's, or 2020's to speak of. I think maybe one or two B1G titles since they joined in 1994. CFB Playoff been around for a decade and this is the first time they've ever made it and they only made it because it expanded to 12- not because they had an excellent resume and argument to make the top 4- just so happens it went to 12 and committee needed filler to get to 12. Does anyone even really take them seriously enough to hate them? Probably more indifference or pity there than hate imo.
I feel like the 5 most hated teams are probably 1. Notre Dame (and rightfully so), 2. Ohio State (fan base are complete nutjobs and they are always winning), 3. Alabama (fan base are also complete nutjobs and Saban had the gumps dominate the entire sport and suck all the air out the room the last 17 years), 4. Georgia (everybody gotta be sick of Kirby doing his best Saban impression and the Jawjaw gang winning damn near everything the last 4-5 years and of course of the high speed car chases/crashes), and 5. Michigan (dirty scoundrel cheaters)....probably in that order.
I feel like of the helmety teams Texas and USC are actually probably more liked by random run of the mill fans than the others. Nebraska might be most well liked now actually just because of the pity factor. Been a long sad 30 years for them Corn loving mouthbreathers.
Spot on.
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I work with a lot of PSU alums (deep here in Tx) and they're all pretty solid people, smart, and hard working. We gave them a lot of shit for a few years after the Sandusky scandal, but I don't think many people think of that much any more. It's kind of like Michael Jacksons legacy, the longer he stays dead the better it gets (FWIW I don't think Sandusky is dead, but Joe Pa is).
They've been a very solid program for a long time, several chances to play for the MNC over the last 20-30 years, very tough and workmanlike program.
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People on the west coast HATE USC. Arrogant pricks (that have won a lot).
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People on the west coast HATE USC. Arrogant pricks (that have won a lot).
I'm obviously not on the west coast, but my impression of USC is that they were very average to below average in the 90's, very good to great in the mid-2000's, and then back to average to below average from about 2010 until now.
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I'm obviously not on the west coast, but my impression of USC is that they were very average to below average in the 90's, very good to great in the mid-2000's, and then back to average to below average from about 2010 until now.
And yet they still just ooze unearned arrogance. Not unlike Texas fans over the same stretches...
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And yet they still just ooze unearned arrogance. Not unlike Texas fans over the same stretches...
Very few, if any, USC fans here. Never worked with any alumni or near-alumni, which would be somewhat expected given their private-school west coast location. I'm sure they factor heavily into tech etc, so maybe you work with or know a bunch of them but nary a one in the chemical business.
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Nah I don't know any USC fans/alum from the engineering world. Do they even have an engineering school?
I know a couple who are parents of my kids' friends at school. But they're actually really nice folks who don't even seem to know college football exists.
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Nah I don't know any USC fans/alum from the engineering world. Do they even have an engineering school?
I know a couple who are parents of my kids' friends at school. But they're actually really nice folks who don't even seem to know college football exists.
So now I'm really confused. If you don't know any, how can they be arrogant?
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So now I'm really confused. If you don't know any, how can they be arrogant?
Internet fans, of course. :)
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People on the west coast HATE USC. Arrogant pricks (that have won a lot).
They don't call it the University of Spoiled Children for nothing...
One of the hate things about USC was also the bandwagon fans. Especially for the long period of time that LA was without a pro team. It's a tiny private school full of rich kids, but the many, many people sporting USC gear who not only couldn't get admitted but couldn't afford it if they did are annoying. They're arrogant fans of something they have no relation to.
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Very few, if any, USC fans here. Never worked with any alumni or near-alumni, which would be somewhat expected given their private-school west coast location. I'm sure they factor heavily into tech etc, so maybe you work with or know a bunch of them but nary a one in the chemical business.
Nah I don't know any USC fans/alum from the engineering world. Do they even have an engineering school?
I think they have an engineering school, but it's nothing of note.
In fact, my son is looking at colleges now and wants to go into engineering (likely nuclear), and there are people on his mom's side of the family suggesting he apply to USC. Uhh, no. Not a school worth going to for engineering. It'd be a complete waste of money.
USC is really good for degrees where networking at the undergraduate level is really important, like business school. And it's a good place to go for med school or law school. Or to go get an MBA if you're in tech.
But it's not factored into tech in any meaningful way. Stanford is the elite West Coast private school for that one...
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University of Spoiled Children. University of Second Choice. University of Sucking C#*+. I'm sure people more clever than me (and closer to Pac-10 rivalries than me) have more.
My recollection is that USC does not have a college of engineering, but, of course, offers degrees in engineering. My recollection could be wrong.
It's true, the 90s were not especially kind to USC, but they have been the dominant program in Pac-10 football over the history of that once great conference ("of champions"). And can you imagine the level of slime that oozed around that program with Pete Carroll in charge (and returning SC to it's winning ways)? Oof. That was hard for Pac-10ers (12 by then, I suppose) and your average ND fan to take. Then add that stoopit freaking song their band plays ad naseum throughout their games. Grrrrrr. I suspect that if you were to poll Pac-10 fans you would find their level of disdain for USC is similar to that for Alabama in the South and Ohio State and Notre Dame in the midwest.
It's funny, not having spent a lot of time in Texas, I don't have a good sense for how people feel about it, but it's easy for me to imagine.
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Just did a quick search, my recollection is wrong: SC does have a college of engineering. But BRAD is correct, if you're looking for an elite engineering university in the West its Stanford, CalTech, and Cal, then probably UCLA and UCSD. Similarly, the schools of business are Stanford and Cal, then everyone else (USC is probably near the top of the everyone else).
USC does have very strong media/entertainment/arts offerings, and its architecture program is very well thought of.
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Oh yeah, Stanford is tops on the West Coast for Tech and Engineering, for sure. I've worked with several Stanford grads, most of them were fine, although one of them was hands-down the worst engineer I've ever encountered in the professional field.
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I think they have an engineering school, but it's nothing of note.
In fact, my son is looking at colleges now and wants to go into engineering (likely nuclear), and there are people on his mom's side of the family suggesting he apply to USC. Uhh, no. Not a school worth going to for engineering. It'd be a complete waste of money.
Bang for your buck, the UCs are far superior (Cal, UCLA, UCSD, and UC-Davis, at least), and Cal Poly SLO is, too (that's probably the best bang for your buck). Stanford and CalTech are far superior when it comes to the sparkle of the degree, although I'm sure much harder to get into than SC.
You may appreciate hearing that a friend of my eldest's is at Purdue for engineering and is loving it. He's got a job in the LA area that he did last summer and probably this coming summer--it seems they are already recruiting him for post-college (he's in his sophomore year).
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Oh yeah, Stanford is tops on the West Coast for Tech and Engineering, for sure. I've worked with several Stanford grads, most of them were fine, although one of them was hands-down the worst engineer I've ever encountered in the professional field.
It's funny how that happens. For law school Stanford is also--maybe obviously--great. But...also puts out a few folk who are too arrogant to put in the work.
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Bang for your buck, the UCs are far superior (Cal, UCLA, UCSD, and UC-Davis, at least), and Cal Poly SLO is, too (that's probably the best bang for your buck). Stanford and CalTech are far superior when it comes to the sparkle of the degree, although I'm sure much harder to get into than SC.
You may appreciate hearing that a friend of my eldest's is at Purdue for engineering and is loving it. He's got a job in the LA area that he did last summer and probably this coming summer--it seems they are already recruiting him for post-college.
Agree 100% regarding the UCs, and Cal Poly SLO is a very well-respected school. I don't know that Cal Poly Pomona holds a candle to it though.
I often forget about CalTech just because it's SO tiny (undergrad) so you meet very few grads, and I think it's more heavily into aeronautics/aerospace than I think of for EE which means I wouldn't run into them as much. I'm guessing my buddies who work for Northrup probably know a lot more CalTech folks than I would.
As always for people who are coming out of school or looking for jobs in engineering, if they have any interest in what I do (data storage / HDDs), I'm always available to help if they want to reach out, and if they're looking for openings at my company we have an employee referral process that might get them a closer look...
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Agree 100% regarding the UCs, and Cal Poly SLO is a very well-respected school. I don't know that Cal Poly Pomona holds a candle to it though.
Yeah, that's weird. I'm sure CP-Pomona is a fine school, but for whatever reason it's reputation is quite different than SLO. Lately I've heard SLO referred to as effectively a UC, at least from the standpoint of prestige.
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Yeah, that's weird. I'm sure CP-Pomona is a fine school, but for whatever reason it's reputation is quite different than SLO. Lately I've heard SLO referred to as effectively a UC, at least from the standpoint of prestige.
I think the reputation that a lot of schools get has a lot more to do with how selective their admissions are rather than how strong they are educationally. After all, the curriculum is the curriculum. I doubt that what I learned at Purdue and what utee94 learned at Texas were very different.
I suspect that the people who are admitted to CP-Pomona can't get admitted into SLO or the UCs.
Just as the Stanford guy that utee mentioned very well might have been very smart and a brilliant student, and thus was good enough to get admitted to Stanford, but didn't have the rest of the necessary skills that translate to actually doing any real engineering work.
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I think they have an engineering school, but it's nothing of note.
In fact, my son is looking at colleges now and wants to go into engineering (likely nuclear), and there are people on his mom's side of the family suggesting he apply to USC. Uhh, no. Not a school worth going to for engineering. It'd be a complete waste of money.
USC is really good for degrees where networking at the undergraduate level is really important, like business school. And it's a good place to go for med school or law school. Or to go get an MBA if you're in tech.
But it's not factored into tech in any meaningful way. Stanford is the elite West Coast private school for that one...
It's a very good engineering school, but you'd be best served going to a UC-___________.
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Pretty good for a BFA too, right?
That's a degree which is totally about the connections you get
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I mean, I don't really consider Texas an SEC team either, but for the purposes of television revenue, I'm pretty sure that ESPN does. :)
This is a great helmet final 4 matchup, and also a pretty outstanding "Hater's Ball" of college football. I'm not sure there are 4 teams more universally hated than these 4. Which is absolutely fantastic for TV ratings.
I don't know abou that, but Michigan would like you to hold their beer. :)
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I don't know abou that, but Michigan would like you to hold their beer. :)
The funny thing is that you guys called it before the season. That the only thing the playoff would do is get/keep more helmet teams in the hunt for the MNC. Under the old systems, both Ohio State and Texas would have been out of the hunt at the end of the season, possibly even the old 4 team playoff. I think ND would have been kept out as well, although the power of the helemet is very strong, and that loss to NIU was a long time ago.
So we have 3 blue blood programs that would have been out, Texas, ND, and Ohio State. Possibly literally 3 of the bluest of blue bloods with those three. And then you have Penn St, which I'm not sure if you guys consider them blue blood or not but certainly they're in that conversation, top 15 for sure.
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I consider Penn State a helmet, but not a blue-blood. But they're certainly very close and tend to draw a lot of national eyeballs, which is the real point I think you're making.
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So we have 3 blue blood programs that would have been out, Texas, ND, and Ohio State. Possibly literally 3 of the bluest of blue bloods with those three. And then you have Penn St, which I'm not sure if you guys consider them blue blood or not but certainly they're in that conversation, top 15 for sure.
Bama has to be up there in top 3 of bluest of blue bloods. ND, Bama, Ohio State your top 3 imo with USC & Michigan right there on them heels. Texas is certainly a blue blood but not top 3 imo. USC and Michigan have stronger case for top 3 than Texas imo. Oklahoma has a stronger case for top 3 as well. This is like nitpicking though.
Penn State is a helmet, but not a blue blood. Those dirty rotten Cornfuckers in Nebraska are on verge of losing blue blood status and being demoted to helmet imo. It's been a pretty sorry nearly 30 years. Tommie Frazier was a looooong time ago.
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All time wins seems like the easiest way to do this and feels like it checks out:
Michigan
Alabama
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
USC
That's my list of the bluest of the blue bloods. They also each claim numberous national championships, most of which get some reasonable level of respect (Texas, at 4, is on the low-end for MNCs, but hard to ignore all those wins, and that long rivalry with OU).
After that it's helmet status, but probably not quite the cream of the crop.
Penn State, Nebraska, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida State.
I feel like after Georgia the picture gets a lot murkier, but still in the helmet category: LSU, Florida, Miami. But what about Clemson, Auburn, Washington, aTm...I think those are still helmet schools. VaTech? Not really. Arizona State? No. Michigan State? Meh. West Virginia? No. Utah? Only been in the big boy conferences for a few seconds. (Boise State doesn't count.) Wisconsin? I don't think so. Then it's just a jumble of major conference teams who have had their moments in the spotlight, some of which are right now.
I think Nebraska might have stayed in the higher group if it had stayed more relevant since joining the Big Ten. Penn State takes a back seat to those other three in its geographic neighborhood. Michigan, Ohio State, and Notre Dame are just bigger names.
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Bama has to be up there in top 3 of bluest of blue bloods. ND, Bama, Ohio State your top 3 imo with USC & Michigan right there on them heels. Texas is certainly a blue blood but not top 3 imo. USC and Michigan have stronger case for top 3 than Texas imo. Oklahoma has a stronger case for top 3 as well. This is like nitpicking though.
Penn State is a helmet, but not a blue blood. Those dirty rotten Cornfuckers in Nebraska are on verge of losing blue blood status and being demoted to helmet imo. It's been a pretty sorry nearly 30 years. Tommie Frazier was a looooong time ago.
JFC, you guys and your list of blue bloods and bluest of the blue bloods. I never said anything about “top 3” blue bloods.
The whole point of the post is that all the CFP has been so far is to put more top programs into the national title race that otherwise would not have gotten in. Just like many on this board mused about before the whole 12 team thing even started.
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All time wins seems like the easiest way to do this and feels like it checks out:
Michigan
Alabama
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
USC
That's my list of the bluest of the blue bloods. They also each claim numberous national championships, most of which get some reasonable level of respect (Texas, at 4, is on the low-end for MNCs, but hard to ignore all those wins, and that long rivalry with OU).
After that it's helmet status, but probably not quite the cream of the crop.
Penn State, Nebraska, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida State.
I feel like after Georgia the picture gets a lot murkier, but still in the helmet category: LSU, Florida, Miami. But what about Clemson, Auburn, Washington, aTm...I think those are still helmet schools. VaTech? Not really. Arizona State? No. Michigan State? Meh. West Virginia? No. Utah? Only been in the big boy conferences for a few seconds. (Boise State doesn't count.) Wisconsin? I don't think so. Then it's just a jumble of major conference teams who have had their moments in the spotlight, some of which are right now.
I think Nebraska might have stayed in the higher group if it had stayed more relevant since joining the Big Ten. Penn State takes a back seat to those other three in its geographic neighborhood. Michigan, Ohio State, and Notre Dame are just bigger names.
I’d remove Nebraska and UTenn and replace with Florida and LSU. Simply because I’m not sure that either team can ever get back to where they were. LSU and UF have won a lot this century. Kinda like how Minnesota dropped out of helmet team status back in the 1980’s.