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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: MaximumSam on December 20, 2024, 07:04:11 PM
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Sneaking right up on me. Had to sit and think that yes, tonight, there is a B1G team in the first ever 12 team playoff, that playoff team is Indiana, and they have a real shot at winning. I'm a Notre Dame guy secondarily to the Buckeyes, so I have a rooting interest. Still, hard to root against the Hoosiers. Cignetti hasn't turned me against him yet.
Of course, tomorrow is my middle daughter's birthday, so help me convince her that dad watching football is what she wants this year.
Schedule
Indiana at Notre Dame, Friday, 8 pm, FOX
SMU at Penn State, Saturday, Noon, TNT/MAX
Clemson at Texas, 4 pm, TNT/MAX
Tennessee at Ohio State, 8 pm, ABC
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Great minds think alike. And so do ours.
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Making it a day trip to State College tomorrow. Hopefully the post college insulation gain will make up for the lack of a liquid coat.
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I wouldn't take any crazy chances
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Man feeling old, thinking about Marcus Freeman getting recruited out of high school
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Dueling picks
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BTW, good Lord. The atmosphere is just freaking awesome. How much great football have we missed to make sure we respect the tradition of making sure the corpos are warm and making lots of money
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this is actually pretty sweet. So far so good on the 12 team playoff.
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Jeremiah Love Hello!!!
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Indy looks outclassed.
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Hoosiers need some points
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BTW, good Lord. The atmosphere is just freaking awesome. How much great football have we missed to make sure we respect the tradition of making sure the corpos are warm and making lots of money
This is what I was going to post. Great atmosphere. If you love college football, you're geeking out, big time.
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Football weather
No jacket required
Or shirts
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The good news: IU is down big.
The bad news: ND is up big.
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Not a great game, but that's football sometimes. Domer defense is pretty good.
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Alright, so now that IU has been exposed as a fraud, it's all on you, Georgia.
As Belichick would say, "Do your fucking job."
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The only thing I can quibble with is the broadcast. Crowd noise killed the announcing. This is the opposite of NBC which makes football sound like a tennis match.
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It will be interesting to see how TNT does today with ratings.
The have PSU/SMU followed by UT/Clemson.
They are up against Texans/Chiefs and Steelers/Ravens.
I think TNT is gonna get crushed.
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that's why it's on TNT
even on a real network, it was going to get crushed
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The only thing I can quibble with is the broadcast. Crowd noise killed the announcing. This is the opposite of NBC which makes football sound like a tennis match.
I'd rather hear the crowd noise than the announcers
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I'd rather hear the crowd noise than the announcers
Two things:
-they’ve actually tried that at times, and it’s not the best viewing experience for most folks. Even if you’re not listening to the announcer, the chatter kind of helps ground it.
-I think with most of these games. There is a skycam option, and it doesn’t have commentary. So if you want to just listen to the crowd, that’s not a terrible way to watch it.
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did ESPN show the split screen (2) views the whole game?
That's the way the game started so my brother switched to ABC for the normal one view screen
I also don't want to listen to the Manning Bros or whomever babble
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did ESPN show the split screen (2) views the whole game?
That's the way the game started so my brother switched to ABC for the normal one view screen
I also don't want to listen to the Manning Bros or whomever babble
The command center? I think so. I think that also might’ve been the regular broadcast guys?
ESPNNews will have sky cast tonight. Might not have commentators
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As Belichick would say, "Do your fucking job."
When did he say that? I've got the last edition of Bartlett's Quotations and it ain't in there
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Allar had a guy open for a first down, not sure why he didn't throw it
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Same reason the SMU QB didn't just keep it for the 1st down.
20 year olds, dude.
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Pick six for the Nits!
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This game belongs back in 1982, considering the teams and the records. Very cool.
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Pick six for the Nits!
If I wasn't busy with WN orders, I'd draw a Seuss-inspired book cover for this little gem.
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Tressel is shaking his head at the punting in this game. Dreadful.
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Weird to not kick there
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Weird to not kick there
They showed the analytics graphic....instead of 'kick' it should have said 'seriously?'
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Pick Six for the Nits Again! Need to come up with a rhyme for that
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Allar had a guy open for a first down, not sure why he didn't throw it
cause he's just not that good three years in now. Allar on paper should be a stud. 6'5, 240 with a huge arm. he's just....OK.
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Pick Six for the Nits Again! Need to come up with a rhyme for that
Franklin is the luckiest shitty coach ever. His schedules are always charmin tissue soft which lets him get to 10 wins and then he can't beat Michigan or Ohio State or any team with a pulse like oh, ever.....and then in this first year of the 12 team playoff dude gets to play SMU in the first round and then Boise in the next round. Lmfao.
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Pick Six for the Nits Again! Need to come up with a rhyme for that
A nit pick-6 feels like deja vu,
easier to nit-pick than to cold kick, and that makes TWO!!!
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Alright, so now that IU has been exposed as a fraud, it's all on you, Georgia.
As Belichick would say, "Do your fucking job."
Notre Dame has a legit defense and run game imo. I do kind of worry about Georgia without their starting QB. Carson Beck is 100% healthy and good to go, I like Georgia. Without Beck though? That one is a tossup.
A Notre Dame-Penn State semi-final looks like it's happening. Makes me want to vomit.
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It's weird for such a big game to be on this early (not a dig at The Game).
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It's weird for such a big game to be on this early (not a dig at The Game).
I actually agree.
I don't think they'd ever have an Ohio State-Michigan game at night in part because of tradition and in larger part because of drunk idiots. But man it would be pretty awesome to see an Ohio State-Michigan night game.
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Jennings is throwing the game and SMU gets the death penalty tomorrow.
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I actually agree.
I don't think they'd ever have an Ohio State-Michigan game at night in part because of tradition and in larger part because of drunk idiots. But man it would be pretty awesome to see an Ohio State-Michigan night game.
The cool part about having that CBS 3:30 slot often was that it would start to get dark near the end of the game, which just made it feel heightened.
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Man, not sure about that one Frames
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Uhhh.....that's a choice.
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I actually agree.
I don't think they'd ever have an Ohio State-Michigan game at night in part because of tradition and in larger part because of drunk idiots. But man it would be pretty awesome to see an Ohio State-Michigan night game.
2006?
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PSU's best offense is when SMU throws
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2006?
3:30 game.
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When did PSU start putting numbers on their helmets?
Not a fan.
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LMAO
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PSU's best offense is went SMU throws
I feel that. Michigan's best offense this year was when the other team threw at Will Johnson....for the 5 or 6 games he actually played.
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The color guy sounds exactly like the comedian Dan Soder, of Macho Man impression fame.
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The Nits get an honest to goodness drive for a touchdown
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Love how much crowd noise we are getting. You can hear the crowd going up and down on every play
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This is a facsimile of wild card weekend. Bloated inventory, bad games. Woo hoo, brackets!
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Franklin is the luckiest shitty coach ever.
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This is a facsimile of wild card weekend. Bloated inventory, bad games. Woo hoo, brackets!
Yeah. This is as unwatchable as the game last night. 🤮
Switched to NFL, and I don’t even like the NFL that much.
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2006?
3:30
Big Ten didn't allow night games in November at that point. One year MSU played Penn State at a weird time, like 4:45? because 5:00 was the cut off to be a night game
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When did PSU start putting numbers on their helmets?
Not a fan.
It's been their alternate for a while, considering they will be using these photos in promos forever, weird time to bust out an alternate
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I actually agree.
I don't think they'd ever have an Ohio State-Michigan game at night in part because of tradition and in larger part because of drunk idiots. But man it would be pretty awesome to see an Ohio State-Michigan night game.
Because the big ten is stoopid
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3:30
Big Ten didn't allow night games in November at that point. One year MSU played Penn State at a weird time, like 4:45? because 5:00 was the cut off to be a night game
B cause the big ten is stoopid
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Just slaves to tradition...more than most.
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Because the big ten is stoopid
Of course they took in UNL didn't they?
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Clemson strikes first
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Texas responds and is looking good
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Yeah I don’t want to hear it.
Alabama defense gave up 40 to fucking Vanderbilt and lost and they got blown the fuck out and only scored 3 points and lost by 21 points to a 6-6 Oklahoma team that had one of the worst offenses in the country.
they just win one of those games they are in. Tennessee is a really good team and it was a 7 point game, ok that’s not a bad loss. Those other 2 losses? Pathetic.
At some point the regular season has to you know, matter.
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yup, any team that has a bad game in the playoff is deemed unworthy
who's to say Bama or Ole Miss would have fared better?
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Tide and Rebel Fans and their closet followers
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Guess I don't need to flip back and forth from the Buckeye basketball game
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Squeelers - Ravens tied at 7 in the 2nd
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This has been a year of decidedly mid teams. Makes the selection discussion irritating because everyone has a middling case, and everyone is just arguing for whatever helps their team.
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The SEC bitching is cute.
The SEC has more influence on the playoff format than anyone.
The SEC gets the benefit of perceived most strength of any conference. (Especially Bama)
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Yeah I don’t want to hear it.
Alabama defense gave up 40 to fucking Vanderbilt and lost and they got blown the fuck out and only scored 3 points and lost by 21 points to a 6-6 Oklahoma team that had one of the worst offenses in the country.
they just win one of those games they are in. Tennessee is a really good team and it was a 7 point game, ok that’s not a bad loss. Those other 2 losses? Pathetic.
At some point the regular season has to you know, matter.
Just a fun lil meme I whipped up.
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The SEC bitching is cute.
The SEC has more influence on the playoff format than anyone.
The SEC gets the benefit of perceived most strength of any conference. (Especially Bama)
I do wish the Big Ten could have experienced the absurd, legendary peak of the SEC from 2006-2022 and see how silly these articulations like "perceived" are.
Imagine the Big Ten led the nation in recruiting EVERY YEAR and led the nation in draft picks and high draft picks EVERY YEAR and won the national championship almost EVERY YEAR, with 5 different schools having won it in that 16 year span. Then imagine being anything but total in your confidence in the Big Ten's dominance.
You guys are utterly incapable of putting yourselves in the shoes of a fan of an SEC team, probably because what the SEC has done is basically impossible. Yet it's happened.
I loved the point made during one of the CCGs.....something like the 10th-best team in the Big Ten or anyone besides the SEC has like 5 elite recruits on the entire squad (5*+4*), while the 10th-best team in the SEC has 40.
The talent isn't equal. it's not a perceived strength, it's real.
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Also, it was a silly lil meme.
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Perceived or real
Whining and bitching by the big bad SEC is silly
Perhaps the SEC AD should throw his weight around better. Quit slacking
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Well I flipped over because it got close only to see Texas score a long touchdown. So flipping back I go.
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Pretend this:
National Champions
2006 - Iowa
2007 - Michigan
2008 - Iowa
2009 - Ohio St
2010 - Wisconsin
2011 - Ohio St
2012 - Ohio St
2013 - FSU
2014 - Alabama
2015 - Ohio St
2016 - Clemson
2017 - Ohio St
2018 - Clemson
2019 - Michigan
2020 - Ohio St
2021 - Penn St
2022 - Penn St
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And then tell me ALL OF YOU wouldn't be laughing at any quibbling about the Big Ten getting the benefit of the doubt on anything and everything. Tell me. Lie to me.
Is it that hard to trade places for a moment? You're adults, right? I mean shit.
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Is it that hard to trade places for a moment? You're adults, right? I mean shit.
You've got South Carolina and Ole Miss out here trying to act like they got robbed. Get ahold of your people.
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And most of the championships were one by two guys….Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. Nick is the greatest college coach ever. Urban is not far behind, you can’t tell me he’s not top 3-5.
It’s not like entire SEC was winning titles. Kirby has built a monster these past 4-5 years but before that Jawjaw wasn’t doing shit.
Auburn and LSU both won their latest titles with oh the greatest seasons ever by QB’s in college.
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And most of the championships were one by two guys….Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. Nick is the greatest college coach ever. Urban is not far behind, you can’t tell me he’s not top 3-5.
It’s not like entire SEC was winning titles. Kirby has built a monster these past 4-5 years but before that Jawjaw wasn’t doing shit.
Auburn and LSU both won their latest titles with oh the greatest seasons ever by QB’s in college.
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Well, they can't all win the NC the same years, can they? Florida multiple, LSU multiple, Bama a ton, LSU multiple......what more do you want?!?!
And from Big Ten fans of all people.....Ohio State and the 10, 13, 17? dwarfs
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Don't forget the cheaters
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Don't forget the cheaters
amen!
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what's the Nubs and Rhule ever won....girls volleyball tourney trophy.... a hot dog eating contest?
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Well, they can't all win the NC the same years, can they? Florida multiple, LSU multiple, Bama a ton, LSU multiple......what more do you want?!?!
And from Big Ten fans of all people.....Ohio State and the 10, 13, 17? dwarfs
don't forget UGA multiple. Kirby has built a monster now.
Florida multiple, one guy. Bama multiple, one guy. LSU with Les Miles was a little bit of an anomaly- 2007 was a weird year-meanwhile 2010 Auburn & 2019 LSU had maybe the #1 and #2 greatest seasons ever by a QB and both those QB's were #1 overall NFL draft picks. Not exactly like Auburn and LSU have been consistent programs. Both have struck a bit of lighting, and in LSU's case twice.
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don't forget UGA multiple. Kirby has built a monster now.
Florida multiple, one guy. Bama multiple, one guy. LSU with Les Miles was a little bit of an anomaly- 2007 was a weird year-meanwhile 2010 Auburn & 2019 LSU had maybe the #1 and #2 greatest seasons ever by a QB and both those QB's were #1 overall NFL draft picks. Not exactly like Auburn and LSU have been consistent programs. Both have struck a bit of lighting, and in LSU's case twice.
Okay, I guess you're right. Take away all-time great HCs, and what have you done?!?! Great point.
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Back OT, this has been great AND WE STILL HAVE TENNESSEE @ OSU!!!
College football is grrrrrrreat!!!
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Okay, I guess you're right. Take away all-time great HCs, and what have you done?!?! Great point.
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not taking them away. that was kinda my point.......most of those SEC titles were won by the two best CFB coaches we've seen in the last 40 years and for sure the #1 all-time ever in Saban. It's not like the entire SEC was winning titles.
South Carolina, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and the rest weren't doing jack shit. Jawjaw didn't do jack shit til they got Kirby. Florida has been mostly a dumpster fire since Urbs left. Auburn has been mostly a dumpster fire since Cam Newton's magical season. LSU is trending towards dumpster fire right now and were for most of it's program history. Bama was a dumpster fire before Saban got there and rattled off 7 Natty's.
The sport is all about the coach and to a lesser extent the QB. SEC had some incredible coaches in Saban & Meyer, Kirby is on that trajectory imo. 2019 LSU and 2010 Auburn had Joe Burrow & Cam Newton. Stars align. Magical stuff happens. Not exactly like LSU & Auburn are power house programs like Florida was under Meyer or Bama under Saban or Jawjaw is under Kirby.
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Lou is 3 out 4 right now. Bout to find out in a few hours if he was 4 for 4.
https://twitter.com/CoachLouHoltz88/status/1870288990105936301
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What other conference had 5 different schools win one or more NCs in any 16-year stretch?
What other conference had 4 different schools win one or more NCs in any 16-year stretch?
What other conference had 3 different schools win one or more NCs in any 16-year stretch?
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I'm sorry that 5 different schools taking turns winning NCs in a 16-year stretch isn't good enough for you, but your bar is in outer space.
No other conference has had 3 since before WWII, and you're playing down the SEC's 5. Get ahold of yourself.
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Hoping this first round game is better than the others
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https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/1870558023988531485
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What's the rule for ticket allotment for visiting fans?
3500 isn't squat.
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Jack Sawyer is perhaps the biggest fake tough guy fake 5* DE pussy in the history of football...jesus christ get a grip kid...you're a decent player and future 3rd RD pick. you ain't that guy kid.
https://twitter.com/JordanDajani/status/1870630448600338649
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What's the rule for ticket allotment for visiting fans?
3500 isn't squat.
UT has over 30,000 fans there...
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1870623788393525254
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Buckeye basketball still ongoing. Hope to flip over soon.
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That goddamn song playing after every positive-yardage play for UT will make Buckeyes fans forget about TTUN.
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Temu Hutchinson :043:
https://twitter.com/juliantwalker1/status/1863750103745392777
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SMITH
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Where was that about couple weeks ago?
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Where was that about couple weeks ago?
That was practice, this is real
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We missed out on daisy-orange over white winged helmets tonight. That would have been dope.
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Spoiler alert: Tennessee can't score before halftime.
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They don't throw to Smith in the 2nd half
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JUDKINS
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So far, this is a sexy game.
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WHEW
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Will Howard nailing his receivers. Ohio State’s secondary locking down Tennessee’s weapons. Ohio State’s front seven pushing around Tennessee’s OL. Up 14-0 already.
Guess that answers how well the Buckeyes would respond to playoff pressure ratcheting up after losing to Michigan.
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Buckeyes look reallly good. Jeremiah Smith is an NFL receiver playing in college. Had the same thought about Will Johnson his true freshman year…oh that’s an NFL player…he could go to the draft right now.
Smith is that good. He’d be the first WR off the board in this upcoming draft.
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HENDERSON
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ok the way Howard is looking right now, makes me think he was seriously hurt vs Michigan when he got rocked by Makari Paige.
He was flat out awful vs Michigan and this first QTR he’s just been surgical like.
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Fowler continues to get worse at pbp. His tenor is so grating and forced.
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SEC team getting blown out. cue the memes of team x being more deserving of a playoff spot.
Hey Michigan beat this same Ohio St team in Columbus! Maybe they should’ve been in the playoff!
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Total yards: 191 to negative 6.
Wow
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maybe losing to Michigan was the best thing for their playoff run. they look pissed and hungry and aren’t taking any shit.
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SAWYER
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Welp……🥴
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Feels like maybe we could have stopped at 8. Would not have guessed after last night that Indiana would be the best of the 9-12 seeds
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Feels like maybe we could have stopped at 8. Would not have guessed after last night that Indiana would be the best of the 9-12 seeds
I’d say Clemson, but point taken.
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Day in playoff mode going for it on fourth there
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Day in playoff mode going for it on fourth there
From what I see, he is the only limit to OSU’s success. Damn good athletes.
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Will Howard has more receiving yard than Tennessee
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2 lucky calls for the Vols. On one play.
PI CITY.
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Looks like someone told the zebras we need one close game somehow
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Good lord refs
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weak ass roughing the passer call there….jesus christ
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Finally chased everyone out of the house after a watch party, man Klubnik is a dude. I hadn't really watched him all season long but he was impressive.
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Just give Tennessee 7 if thats what the TV execs are telling you. Dont drag it out like this
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Ohio State should be favored to win it all imo. Quinn still isn’t 100%, Jawjaw QB is dead, and Oregon ain’t beating them twice imo.
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Ohio State should be favored to win it all imo. Quinn still isn’t 100%, Jawjaw QB is dead, and Oregon ain’t beating them twice imo.
Let's get through this game first. OSU has had fast starts before, ahem, Clemson
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Ohio State should be favored to win it all imo. Quinn still isn’t 100%, Jawjaw QB is dead, and Oregon ain’t beating them twice imo.
Quinn had a very good game today, only one bad pass slightly behind the receiver, but the INT wasn't his fault at all, it was 100% on the receiver who tipped it up after a perfect pass directly into his hands.
Plenty of football left, but I'd like Texas' chances against a team that Michigan beat...
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Officials have done a good job of keeping Tennessee in the game
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Feels like maybe we could have stopped at 8. Would not have guessed after last night that Indiana would be the best of the 9-12 seeds
Yep. This has been trash TV.
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Nico is a baller. Kid has gotten his ass whooped by an OSU defense that is flying around and hitting but he just keeps on fighting. Pretty impressive for such a young player.
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OSU must have a kicker who can kick the ball 50 yards in the air
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Nico gets the ball at half. If he can punch in a TD it’s 21-17 and we’ll have a real life ball game.
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Good luck
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Kicker issue very concerning. Was nice to see quick scoring in 1st quarter. Felt usual for this year.
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SMITH
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They threw it to him in the 2nd half???
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They threw it to him in the 2nd half???
Saving it all season
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Can the Tennessee fans who have been trash talking for the last couple of weeks admit that they have been generally overmatched
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So let me finish my post from earlier.
Tennessee fans before a big game act like kids on Christmas Eve, all giddy and excited.....and after the game, they're like the homeless kid with no presents under the tree.
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The seeding for the playoffs should been the following
#8 Arizona St - gets bye in first round
#7. Boise St - gets bye in first round
#6. Tenn @ Ohio St - Winner
#5. IND @ Notre Dame - Winner
#4. SMU @ PSU - Winner
#3. CLEM @ Texas - Winner
#2. Georgia - gets a first round bye
#1. Oregon - gets a first round bye
This would have resulted in these 2nd round matchups
Rose. - #8 Ariz St vs #1 Oregon
Sugar #7 Boise St vs #2 Georgia
Peach - #6 Ohio St vs #3 Texas
FIESTA. - #5 Notre Dame vs #4 Penn St
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So far favorites have won big.
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Unworthy first round teams.............
Big Ten - lost by 10........... minus 116 total yards
ACC - lost by 14 .............. minus 82 total yards
ACC champ - lost by 28 ... minus 72 total yards
SEC - lost by 25 .............. minus 217 total yards
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Howard made some perfect throws in the first half.
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So far favorites have won big.
aka home teams....all 4 crowds were LIT......and despite many hillbillies invading, 21-0 kept things in the home team's favor, atmosphere-wise.
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Unworthy first round teams.............
Big Ten - lost by 10........... minus 116 total yards
ACC - lost by 14 .............. minus 82 total yards
ACC champ - lost by 28 ... minus 72 total yards
SEC - lost by 25 .............. minus 217 total yards
Clemson was the ACC champ, not SMWho
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Personally I think it shows 12 is too many. And I think the next round is going to show a few more shouldn't be there
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yup, a good or very good home team gets on a roll, there could be a blowout
I don't enjoy blowouts but, they're gonna happen - regardless
regardless if there are 12 teams
regardless if there 4 teams
regardless if there is one game and two deserving teams
there will probably be a blowout in the next round
regardless how many teams are included, there will be teams that bitch about being left out.
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Clemson was the ACC champ, not SMWho
sorry, trusted ESPN...............
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Big Ten - lost by 10........... minus 116 total yards
ACC champ - lost by 14 ...... minus 82 total yards
ACC - lost by 28 ........... minus 72 total yards
SEC - lost by 25 .............. minus 217 total yards
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Personally I think it shows 12 is too many. And I think the next round is going to show a few more shouldn't be there
so, yer sayin 4 or 2 teams were enuff?
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0 was enough.
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agreed
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Yeah, let’s make sweeping, hardcore generalizations based on a sample size of one season.
Let’s revisit topic in 5 years.
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so, yer sayin 4 or 2 teams were enuff?
I say go back to the old bowl system. But it's not going to happen. I think 8 at the most and with the super conferences and way too uneven schedules eliminate the automatic qualifications.
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Gen X will get this.
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or Boomers
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We have what, maybe 2 or 3 posters on this board who aren't GenX or older, right?
Maybe AAA, OAM, and MDot?
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I am generally in favor of the 12 team playoff but I think all the 12 team playoff is showing us is that there aren’t 12 teams in a given year that are actually good enough win the Natty.
Most years there’s maybe 2-3. Which is why 4 kind of made sense. There sure as hell ain’t 12 though.
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We have what, maybe 2 or 3 posters on this board who aren't GenX or older, right?
Maybe AAA, OAM, and MDot?
I just had a zero year birthday. As the Great Mickey Mantle once said, "If I'd known I'd live this long I'd have taken better care of myself."
Hey, I'm still playing baseball with kids half my age, and competing.
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We have what, maybe 2 or 3 posters on this board who aren't GenX or older, right?
Maybe AAA, OAM, and MDot?
HUH he may act like a youngster 🤩 but he's long in the tooth
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Hey, I'm still playing baseball with kids half my age, and competing.
Thought that was shuffleboard,I'll show myself out
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We have what, maybe 2 or 3 posters on this board who aren't GenX or older, right?
Maybe AAA, OAM, and MDot?
Definitely a boomer here. Medicare for me next year
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We have what, maybe 2 or 3 posters on this board who aren't GenX or older, right?
Maybe AAA, OAM, and MDot?
I appreciate you projecting maturity on me, but it’s quite undeserved.
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I was born in 80 and have always considered myself GenX
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Yeah I think 80 is usually considered the final year for GenX. I guess I thought you were a few years younger than that. Hell, you're old, dude.
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Is GopherRock young? He has youthful energy. Sam feels like young Gen-X.
I think I’m younger than ELA, so I might be the youngest here? Which would honestly track.
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ELA and GR are of similar age, I think. I want to say @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) started college (at IU) in 2003, as AAA, and that @GopherRock (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=47) graduated from Mini in 2006 and went to work out in Seattle.
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Pretty sure @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) is the oldest here, having voted for every president on Mount Rushmore.
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ELA and GR are of similar age, I think. I want to say @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) started college (at IU) in 2003, as AAA, and that @GopherRock (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=47) graduated from Mini in 2006 and went to work out in Seattle.
Hmm. That sounds right for ELA. Which also makes sense why I remember him as AAA, despite I don’t think getting to the board until a little after that.
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He stayed AAA until about half-way through MSU, I think. Then he became a Spartan fan and changed to ELA. 2005/6 maybe?
Memory fades.
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Pretty sure @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) is the oldest here, having voted for every president on Mount Rushmore.
I thinnk CD may be older than me, but maybe not. we are probably pretty close
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Pretty sure @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) is the oldest here, having voted for every president on Mount Rushmore.
this is why I'd like to keep him around
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I thinnk CD may be older than me, but maybe not. we are probably pretty close
I honestly never would have guessed that. Not a knock at all. Hell when we get older we want to be mistaken for energetic youth. Also would never have guessed BAB is that young.
And to me, ELA is always AAA in my mind. For both his rooting interests, but also his early days of AAA i was also blown away by how smart this young kid was. Pretty sure we are around the 25 year mark of that.
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I just turned 40.
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A while back.
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A while back.
About the time you signed the Declaration or so?
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ELA and I are indeed of similar vintage. It took me 5 years to get through the civil engineering curriculum, so it was 2007 when I graduated. Coincidentally, I first met all of you in 2007n down in Austin.
Born 1984, I am firmly in the Oregon Trail generation.
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZpWvj8c.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZpWvj8c.png)
I remember listening to that.
In my back seat.
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was a good year
I took a motorcycle trip to minneapolis to see Springsteen's Born in the USA tour
I was done with college and had a job makin decent coin
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Born 1984, I am firmly in the Oregon Trail generation.
Yep. Born in '78, I'm towards the start of the Oregon Trail generation.
It's funny, a bunch of us were talking about growing up when we celebrated my wife's birthday as her close friend AND the kids were all together. And we were talking about what it would be like if the kids had to grow up the way we did.
It made me realize that the amount of change in daily life between 1984 and 2004 was pretty much meaningless when compared to the amount of change between 2004 and 2024. And if you go 1974-1994 (so pre-internet), it's even more stark.
Back in 2004 we had the internet, but didn't really have "social media" in any meaningful sense. We had cell phones, but the smart phone hadn't been invented so nobody was thinking about "apps" for their phone. If you wanted navigation you had to buy a [very expensive] GPS for your car. If you wanted a camera you had to buy a camera and carry it around. If you wanted to watch TV you simply fired up cable or satellite--there was no streaming. Hell, if you wanted to watch a movie you didn't own, you went to the video store or waited for Netflix to mail you a physical DVD.
It's a different world.
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a helluva lot different from 62-74
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He stayed AAA until about half-way through MSU, I think. Then he became a Spartan fan and changed to ELA. 2005/6 maybe?
Memory fades.
That sounds right? I know that I started getting on CFB message boards around 2004 or 2005. And I was definitely on the Wisconsin Scout board/reading CFN.
I know that I started spending time here at some point before the end of the 2007 season because I remember having a conversation with SF about where to watch the bowl that year (which meant that I wasn’t super new at that point). And I remember AAA.
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Yep. Born in '78, I'm towards the start of the Oregon Trail generation.
It's funny, a bunch of us were talking about growing up when we celebrated my wife's birthday as her close friend AND the kids were all together. And we were talking about what it would be like if the kids had to grow up the way we did.
It made me realize that the amount of change in daily life between 1984 and 2004 was pretty much meaningless when compared to the amount of change between 2004 and 2024. And if you go 1974-1994 (so pre-internet), it's even more stark.
Back in 2004 we had the internet, but didn't really have "social media" in any meaningful sense. We had cell phones, but the smart phone hadn't been invented so nobody was thinking about "apps" for their phone. If you wanted navigation you had to buy a [very expensive] GPS for your car. If you wanted a camera you had to buy a camera and carry it around. If you wanted to watch TV you simply fired up cable or satellite--there was no streaming. Hell, if you wanted to watch a movie you didn't own, you went to the video store or waited for Netflix to mail you a physical DVD.
It's a different world.
THIS was social media!
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screaming hot take after watching all the first round games: Michigan is in the playoff for a 4th year in a row if JJ McCarthy had come back for his SR year. JJ comes back they actually would've had a functional offense and not fucked their defense over time and time again- they also probably get a porthole WR or two actually worth a shit in the spring window that would want to play with JJ, and oh yeah their best player on defense doesn't just shut it down for the year 5 games into the season and they are like 10-2 or 11-1 and in the playoff with that defense and special teams they have.
And JJ is probably the #1 overall pick in the 2025 draft because my god this upcoming draft sucks ass for QB's. Oh well.
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screaming hot take after watching all the first round games: Michigan is in the playoff for a 4th year in a row if JJ McCarthy had come back for his SR year. JJ comes back they actually would've had a functional offense and not fucked their defense over time and time again- they also probably get a porthole WR or two actually worth a shit in the spring window that would want to play with JJ, and oh yeah their best player on defense doesn't just shut it down for the year 5 games into the season and they are like 10-2 or 11-1 and in the playoff with that defense and special teams they have.
And JJ is probably the #1 overall pick in the 2025 draft because my god this upcoming draft sucks ass for QB's. Oh well.
Hmmm, that doesn’t feel screaming hot.
He would’ve had to be better than he was last year, but the defense was top 11 quality already. Three of those losses would’ve been not the hardest to flip with competent quarterback play. Would’ve needed to take one from Oregon/Texas/OSU, and the Buckeyes may have approached that game more intelligently if he was there.
it feels like with him they’re about a 50-50 shot, maybe a hair better.
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Yep. Born in '78, I'm towards the start of the Oregon Trail generation.
Graduated from High School in '78 Teenager during the best era of music, well except for Disco
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I think Carson Beck might be a better pro QB than college. He was solid last season. Depends on his recovery.
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Oh yeah sorry I forgot GR as one of the young 'uns.
By the way Oregon Trail has been around since the early 70s. Heck even old geezers like Fearless could have played it in high school...
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could have
but, not a geek
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Born in 1967 (a week from this Friday), I'm more of a boomer. Really don't fit with GenX.
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I think Carson Beck might be a better pro QB than college. He was solid last season. Depends on his recovery.
My first thought when they paid him a bunch of money to come back:
”Why?”
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Born in 1967 (a week from this Friday), I'm more of a boomer. Really don't fit with GenX.
That's interesting, might be an environmental or regional thing as well. My older brother was born in '66 and is every bit as GenX as I am.
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I dunno. I've always acted older than my age.
My wife is a boomer. Almost all of my friends are boomers.
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Supposedly the cutoff was 64 = Boomer, 65 = GenX.
But I think on the margins it's always a bit tricky.
It's one of the reasons that they came up with the name "Xennial" for folks like me, born in '78. The big difference for our group is that we were analog childhood; digital adulthood. Meaning that we basically grew up without prevalent internet and cellphones for most of our childhood. But we were raised with computers and "came of age" during the internet boom, such that we were already primed to adjust to that societal change by the time we actually hit adulthood.
Contrast that with "pure" GenX, who largely didn't experience the internet until they were already adults, or "pure" Millennials, who were surrounded by cellphones and the internet essentially starting in their preteens and so never truly lived in a world without it.
I'd absolutely expect anyone between maybe 1962 and 1967 to be on the cutoff, and some are older but identify more with GenX, and some are younger but identify more with Boomers.
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It's similar to the way we perceive "decades" culturally. What we think of as the "50s" was more like 55-64. The "60s" was more like 65-74, and the "70s" bled over into the early 80s but I'd argue that the perceived culture of the 70s ended a little sooner due to the more unified, national cultural influence of cable TV, especially MTV. Culturally the 80s started pretty clearly just after MTV debuted in 1981.
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I’m smack from the middle of the 70’s, checking in at 1975. I think I more closely identify as a Xennial, even though they say I’m too old.
Your generational ID isn’t just about what year you were born , it’s a shared experience that people from that era had. Things like playing Oregon Trail in school, learning computers on the Apple II, staying out late until the street light came on. I remember where I was when Kurt Cobain killed himself, I remember when Challenger blew up. I remember when Bill Clinton and Al Gore were talking about something called the information super highway.
I don’t remember watergate, or gas embargoes, or bell bottoms. I remember everybody smoking indoors.
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Pretty sure @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) is the oldest here, having voted for every president on Mount Rushmore.
Heard he voted against 3 of the 4
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ELA and GR are of similar age, I think. I want to say @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) started college (at IU) in 2003, as AAA, and that @GopherRock (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=47) graduated from Mini in 2006 and went to work out in Seattle.
Joined in 2003, started college in 2002, born in 1984. MichiFan87 was the youngest regular poster for a while, but not sure he ever made the move to this board
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It's one of the reasons that they came up with the name "Xennial" for folks like me, born in '78. The big difference for our group is that we were analog childhood; digital adulthood. Meaning that we basically grew up without prevalent internet and cellphones for most of our childhood. But we were raised with computers and "came of age" during the internet boom, such that we were already primed to adjust to that societal change by the time we actually hit adulthood.
I feel so lucky to have had this experience.
Play outside until it got dark. Play Nintendo after.
14 years old, get AOL just as I'm taking a typing class FR year of HS.
A whole new (literally) world of games, sports stuff, and chatting.
100x more literate on the computer than my parents, who were a civil engineer and an accountant....but that was all limited-scope computer knowledge.
To compare it to Nintendo games, they had plenty of experience playing a side-scrolling game like Super Mario Bros, but I was exploring open-world games a la GTA (figuratively).
Had a great childhood, one we wish all kids would have nowadays, with the rapid expansion of the internet as I came of age.
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Too young to remember Woodstock,old enough to remember Reagan as President.
Aka. 1964-1980
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Too young to remember Woodstock,old enough to remember Reagan as President.
Aka. 1964-1980
1969 - 1980
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Heard he voted against 3 of the 4
He was unimpressed.
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Joined in 2003, started college in 2002, born in 1984. MichiFan87 was the youngest regular poster for a while, but not sure he ever made the move to this board
Any sense how old he was?
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It's similar to the way we perceive "decades" culturally. What we think of as the "50s" was more like 55-64. The "60s" was more like 65-74, and the "70s" bled over into the early 80s but I'd argue that the perceived culture of the 70s ended a little sooner due to the more unified, national cultural influence of cable TV, especially MTV. Culturally the 80s started pretty clearly just after MTV debuted in 1981.
Vanilla Ice was so 1990 that even 1991 was rolling its eyes.
(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1500w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2015_35/753111/vanilla-ice-ridiculous-funny-outfits-today-150827-tease.jpg)
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Any sense how old he was?
The 87 was his birth year. I met him in person once
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The 87 was his birth year. I met him in person once
Same. He came to the grass lot at the high school in AA for a tailgate. Burnt Eyes was with me on that trip.
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Same. He came to the grass lot at the high school in AA for a tailgate. Burnt Eyes was with me on that trip.
It could be read that you’re saying you have the same birth year, and that is just incredibly amusing.
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I met him in person once.
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https://twitter.com/trey_rowland59/status/1871348948541276402
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I’m smack from the middle of the 70’s, checking in at 1975. I think I more closely identify as a Xennial, even though they say I’m too old.
Your generational ID isn’t just about what year you were born , it’s a shared experience that people from that era had. Things like playing Oregon Trail in school, learning computers on the Apple II, staying out late until the street light came on. I remember where I was when Kurt Cobain killed himself, I remember when Challenger blew up. I remember when Bill Clinton and Al Gore were talking about something called the information super highway.
I don’t remember watergate, or gas embargoes, or bell bottoms. I remember everybody smoking indoors.
Same, graduated HS in 1993.
One thing I've always found interesting is that our HS experience was probably more similar to people 20+ years older than it was to people 5 years younger. Think about this:
(https://i.imgur.com/2M9uy73.png)
I really do think that our HS experience graduating in 1993 was more similar to someone 20 years older than someone five years younger.
I think probably the biggest cultural change prior to that was the widespread availability of the pill which started in the early-to-mid-60's so you could even go so far as to say that 1993 HS Graduates had a HS experience more similar to people 30 years older (graduated in 1963, are currently almost eighty) than to people just five years younger.
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I think probably the biggest cultural change prior to that was the widespread availability of the pill which started in the early-to-mid-60's so you could even go so far as to say that 1993 HS Graduates had a HS experience more similar to people 30 years older (graduated in 1963, are currently almost eighty) than to people just five years younger.
Well, I thought of another big one. The Vietnam-era draft ended in 1973 and that was obviously a pretty big deal for HS Graduates in the late-60's and very early-70's.
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If you were a kid when You Can't Do That on Television peaked, then you are riding the line between Gen X and Millennial. You probably still know all the words to Ice Ice Baby, and you were in middle school when Nirvana was all the rage.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.kindertrauma.com/images/art/traumaslumberbarthtv1.jpg?ssl=1)
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If you were a kid when You Can't Do That on Television peaked, then you are riding the line between Gen X and Millennial. You probably still know all the words to Ice Ice Baby, and you were in middle school when Nirvana was all the rage.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.kindertrauma.com/images/art/traumaslumberbarthtv1.jpg?ssl=1)
Yeah, I'm a little older. I do know all the words to Ice Ice Baby but I was in HS by the time Nirvana was big. Also, I only saw a couple episodes of You Can't, and I have no idea who that is a picture of (looks like Barth based on the label).
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When I was in HS, Steppenwolf and Black Sabbath were probably the most-played bands on the jukebox (!) in the cafeteria.
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Internet:
The internet existed as far back as at least the 1970's but it was a strange land that only weirdo nerds inhabited up until the introduction of Netscape Navigator.
According to Wiki, Netscape Navigator came out on 12/15/1994 so I guess mine wasn't the last HS class before the internet, that would be the next class, the class of 1994.
Around the same time, AOL was gaining steam.
This is an anecdotal experience but I think it helps to illustrate the RAPID change.
During my sophomore year at Ohio State I was out with a group of guys who were in my calls (all Sophomores who had graduated HS in 1993). We got invited to go visit a friend of mine (female but not a g/f) who had graduated HS a year behind me. When we got over there, she and her friends (all freshman, 1994 HS grads) were all in some AOL Chatroom. We (spohomores) had literally no freaking idea what AOL, the internet, or a chatroom were. The ONE YEAR YOUNGER girls had to explain it to us as if they had just landed in a rocket ship. We found it creepy.
We (sophmores) had no interest and just wanted to go out to some bars. It amazes me looking back that this was just completely foreign to 93 HS Grads and seemed as normal could be to people literally only one year younger.
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My grandmother was born in 1881, my dad in 1917.
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When I was in HS, Steppenwolf and Black Sabbath were probably the most-played bands on the jukebox (!) in the cafeteria.
The children have long been worshiping Satan, I see.
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Internet:
The internet existed as far back as at least the 1970's but it was a strange land that only weirdo nerds inhabited up until the introduction of Netscape Navigator.
According to Wiki, Netscape Navigator came out on 12/15/1994 so I guess mine wasn't the last HS class before the internet, that would be the next class, the class of 1994.
Around the same time, AOL was gaining steam.
This is an anecdotal experience but I think it helps to illustrate the RAPID change.
During my sophomore year at Ohio State I was out with a group of guys who were in my calls (all Sophomores who had graduated HS in 1993). We got invited to go visit a friend of mine (female but not a g/f) who had graduated HS a year behind me. When we got over there, she and her friends (all freshman, 1994 HS grads) were all in some AOL Chatroom. We (spohomores) had literally no freaking idea what AOL, the internet, or a chatroom were. The ONE YEAR YOUNGER girls had to explain it to us as if they had just landed in a rocket ship. We found it creepy.
We (sophmores) had no interest and just wanted to go out to some bars. It amazes me looking back that this was just completely foreign to 93 HS Grads and seemed as normal could be to people literally only one year younger.
My aunt got Prodigy around that time. My mind was blown.
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I remember eudora and gopher as the beginning of my email/internet experience. But with a 2,400 baud modem, the internet was pretty darned limited.
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Mid-90s chatrooms.....when the men were men and the women were women......
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I remember eudora and gopher as the beginning of my email/internet experience. But with a 2,400 baud modem, the internet was pretty darned limited.
Yep, all of that.
Mid-90s chatrooms.....when the men were men and the women were women......
I heard it as:
Where the men are men, the women are men, and and children are FBI agents.
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Yep, all of that. I heard it as:
Where the men are men, the women are men, and and children are FBI agents.
No, that's probably now.
Back then, people were just themselves. Wacky to imagine, I know.
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My first modem was 300 baud, I used it to get onto Compuserve (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompuServe) the first commerical online service. Everything was text driven. There was an MMA game that was all text. A number of chatrooms and numerous bulletin boards. All very exciting at the time. You paid by the minute so you were very careful about how long you were online. Later they started offering blocks of time at a cheaper rate and finally unlimited at a flat fee.
If I remember right this was 1983.
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Well into the 90s my grandma had whatever the green text-on-black screen computer was....no clue. All we'd use it for was some Olympic Games game, on a floppy disk (actually floppy).
My brother and I mostly just made fun of it.
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One thing I did like was the day my parents suddenly had no need for that white-and-green-lined printing paper, that would feed up from the floor into that loud-ass printer. I got tens of thousands of pages to draw on. Loved it.
My brother would just rip off the holed edges and mess around with it.
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Same, graduated HS in 1993.
One thing I've always found interesting is that our HS experience was probably more similar to people 20+ years older than it was to people 5 years younger. Think about this:
(https://i.imgur.com/2M9uy73.png)
I really do think that our HS experience graduating in 1993 was more similar to someone 20 years older than someone five years younger.
I think probably the biggest cultural change prior to that was the widespread availability of the pill which started in the early-to-mid-60's so you could even go so far as to say that 1993 HS Graduates had a HS experience more similar to people 30 years older (graduated in 1963, are currently almost eighty) than to people just five years younger.
I’m ‘94. I’d say I disagree about people who graduated 20 years before. Mostly because the culture was so much different, but also because of the digital divide. People who graduated in the 70,s had no idea about computers or anything even as simple as VCR’s. By 1994, most people in my generation had been raised with technology and the promise of technology our whole life. Sure, it was crude, and klunky, but it was out there, and it was getting noticeably better every year.
Did i personally have a cell phone in 1994? No, but we did have a few people in school who did have them. We all had pagers (!).
Go back and watch some of the TV shows and movies from the early 80’s. Knight Rider, we had artificial intelligence, a self driving car who had GPS, some kind of version of the internet, smart watches ( and really cool stunts!). In the movie “ The Last Star Fighter” they had a smartphone like device with digital pictures of their family. This was early 80’s !
Were you really surprised when you saw a real GPS device? We’d only seen it on tv dozens of times throughout the 80’s and 90’s. We’re we really surprised at what computers could do by the 90’s? I mean, I was, but at the same time I really wasn’t. This was all stuff we’d been seeing in movies and tv for years.
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Well into the 90s my grandma had whatever the green text-on-black screen computer was....no clue. All we'd use it for was some Olympic Games game, on a floppy disk (actually floppy).
My brother and I mostly just made fun of it.
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One thing I did like was the day my parents suddenly had no need for that white-and-green-lined printing paper, that would feed up from the floor into that loud-ass printer. I got tens of thousands of pages to draw on. Loved it.
My brother would just rip off the holed edges and mess around with it.
I bet it was a Tandy. Very popular Radio Shack brand.
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If you were a kid when You Can't Do That on Television peaked, then you are riding the line between Gen X and Millennial. You probably still know all the words to Ice Ice Baby, and you were in middle school when Nirvana was all the rage.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.kindertrauma.com/images/art/traumaslumberbarthtv1.jpg?ssl=1)
Don’t know if it peaked or not, but we watched it a few years. Probably about 1987, hell we may have just gotten cable. Nirvana was HS, extremely popular. As was Ice Ice Baby freshman year. But yeah , pretty much nailed it.
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hmmm....
https://twitter.com/justcoverblog/status/1872967212056887568
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If you were a kid when You Can't Do That on Television peaked, then you are riding the line between Gen X and Millennial. You probably still know all the words to Ice Ice Baby, and you were in middle school when Nirvana was all the rage.
(https://i0.wp.com/www.kindertrauma.com/images/art/traumaslumberbarthtv1.jpg?ssl=1)
My favorite bit on that show was the execution always being interrupted.
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I was watching part of some bowl game, I think it was Arkansas, and Aaron Murray was the color guy (he's not very good IMHO). He claimed that the 12 team payoff had really added interest in CFB, and that many late season games were now more "important" than in the past because more teams are in the running, which I suppose is true.
I don't know if viewship reflects this, it probably does, but that alone suggests the sport is not dying at this point. I know many were disappointed that the first round games were never really in doubt after quarter one, and folks often think the "Committee" chose poorly.
The way the five top conference champions have to be included makes their job more .... complex, in a sense, and can yield bizarre results, and they don't reseed after round one, which may get discussed.
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I was watching part of some bowl game, I think it was Arkansas, and Aaron Murray was the color guy (he's not very good IMHO). He claimed that the 12 team payoff had really added interest in CFB, and that many late season games were now more "important" than in the past because more teams are in the running, which I suppose is true.
I heard that too, and it was the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.
It's bad for the sport. Maybe more watch in the last 2 weeks of November, but there's now ZERO reason to watch in September. No big OOC games matter, as they all get a mulligan.
Big OOC games are going to slowly decrease over time, as best record is all that matters, not who it's actually against.
The college basketball model is not a great plan. Being a 5-month sport and voluntarily making only 1 month matter? FFS
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In 2030, UGA is scheduled to play Clemson, Ohio State, and Georgia Tech. It'll be interesting to see if that survives.
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Betcha a dollar it doesn't.
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In 2030, UGA is scheduled to play Clemson, Ohio State, and Georgia Tech. It'll be interesting to see if that survives.
they'll all be in the same conference by then, wouldn't worry too much about it.
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GT will be in a different division, with the Wisconsins and Iowas of the world.
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I suspect we'd all agree that TODAY we have two major conferences, and two more that are below them, and then some others. We have a P2 and a M2 and then Ghowevermany. M stands for "medium". I don't know what will happen beyond looking at what the $$$ will dictate. I suspect I won't like it. I probably will still watch.
If early losses don't matter that much, you might as well schedule a heavy hitter OOC. If you win, it's very good. UGA had four wins over playoff teams this year.
That probably helped offset their two Ls.
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In 2030, actual 7 year olds will form the committee, ranking teams by W-L record. Programs can go back to playing local high schools and semi-pro teams like they did 100 years ago.
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The teams complaining about being left out of the Show lost only conference games, so their OOC slate was largely irrelevant to this discussion. Maybe if they had played better OOC competition and won it would have helped.
It also helps not to lose to Vandy or Kentucky. I have some agreement about South Carolina as they lost to three fairly competent teams close except Ole Miss. But the OOC games didn't hurt any of these teams.
It helped South Carolina's argument.
E.g., the OOC losses simply didn't exist.
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It's not about one team or this season specifically.
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hmmm....
https://twitter.com/justcoverblog/status/1872967212056887568
The only problem with this statement is that neither the A&M team of the USC team that played last night were the same ones that played a month ago. We lost a good amount of our starters to opt out, many choosing to go to the draft next year, and some deciding to leave the program. Same with USC.
It's more like, some of the starters and a lot of the backups of USC beat some of the starters and a lot of the backups at A&M, that made 4th place in the conference this year.
It still sucked to lose, especially when you were up by 17 late, but until something gets done about the portal, NIL, and players opting out it's just what it is. Personally, I wish that bowl season would just die out, and let's just straight up do the playoff, however many teams they decide to include.
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Any takeaways from bowl outcomes aren't valid, for or against whoever. These aren't the same teams. These are exhibitions that are accidently still being counted.
We all know this. Yet still we post.
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Purely entertainment. This Iowa State/Miami game has 56 points already and still less than halfway through 2nd quarter. Twelving.
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Any takeaways from bowl outcomes aren't valid, for or against whoever. These aren't the same teams. These are exhibitions that are accidently still being counted.
teams are always changing in this day and age
from the first game to the bowl game
injuries, quitters, early portal
line up your roster and play the game - it's gonna count
if not, just turn down the bowl invitation
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I bet at least half of HCs would accept the practices and have no bowl. The bowl isn't germane to their mission.
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Lotta coaches opt out too. Which is a damn shame.
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I'm not convinced teams won't schedule OOC games of note these days. I think they help, and this season is all we have to go on. Why is UGA ranked 2 and Indiana ranked lower? That's a 2 loss team higher than a 1 loss. For all the complaining by Bama, as I note, their OOC slate was irrelevant, some with Ole Miss.
If those latter two had played another P5 kind of team and won, they might have made it in with 3 losses in conference play. maybe.
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smart ADs will schedule bigtime non-con games
why?
Because $$$$
more than ever before, it takes $$$ to win at the highest level
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Compare two teams in the future, one has two solid OOC games they split, and the other has one that they won. Both have the same conference record, say 7-2, Who gets that 12th pick? It depends on the conference slate of course, I don't think the OOC loss would be that damaging if it's to a good team and not a blowout.
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Bammer is the obvious example, since they whined the most
Let's say they played and won against the Badgers in Wisconsin - BUT the Badgers finished 10-2 and ranked highly
Let's say Bama played a decent team such as Pitt, North Carolina, or Georgia Tech at 6-6 instead of MERCER
I'd guess that might bump their 3-loss suckbutt into the playoff
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smart ADs will schedule bigtime non-con games
why?
Because $$$$
more than ever before, it takes $$$ to win at the highest level
You get a lot of money to have fewer losses and get into the playoff, no?
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It's bad for the sport. Maybe more watch in the last 2 weeks of November, but there's now ZERO reason to watch in September. No big OOC games matter, as they all get a mulligan.
Big OOC games are going to slowly decrease over time, as best record is all that matters, not who it's actually against.
I'd argue people watching the sport this way was, has been and always will be bad for the sport.
If the value of watching games is limited to that particular game's impact on the national title race, we're screwed and we've always been that way. That part has to be in addition to other ways to get joy from watching football. The mulligan thing strikes me as untrue as well. For a long time, the SEC got a functional mulligan. They always got the first tie-breaker with one loss, and having two other undefeated P5 teams was just very rare. But I have sense that didn't mean there was ZERO reason to watch a lot of SEC football.
The OOC thing is funny as well because that has literally always been the way it's been. If teams wanted to compete nationally, the upside of a big non-conference win was always outweighed by the downside of a loss. Shoot, I remember back in 2008, Ohio State scheduled USC and got crushed in Week 3. They didn't get credit for it. There was no mulligan of forgiveness. Everyone just said "well, I guess they're out of the title race." Somehow that didn't discourage OOC games (I do think there's a tiebreaker factor, and that actually once swung a national title, but that's another story).
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I can recall when the UGA coach (Dooley) basically said their goal was to make a bowl game and playing enough pastries made that more likely. It wasn't said outright, but they didn't schedule much OOC outside Tech for many years. This was when playing 5 or 6 conference games was typical.
They went decades without playing north of Kentucky. So, things seem a lot better now, but next year their OOC slate is crap because Texas joined the SEC and UCLA joined the B1G. It gets a bit tougher to schedule these days.
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You get a lot of money to have fewer losses and get into the playoff, no?
do playoff teams get all the playoff game money? or does it go to the conference and distributed?
scheduling a big time home game in Sept is worth some real coin
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I think playing some major OOC opponent in September also goes to the conference (TV revenue). Most elite programs sell out no matter what.
I "think" there is still incentive to schedule up OOC, and perhaps take an extra loss, if combined with say two solid wins.
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many perks come with top shelf home games
boosters of substance like to set in their skyboxes for those games
4 & 5-star recruits like to be on the sideline for those games
there's a chance to host GameDay
the national TV audience will be larger with better ratings
a loss may keep you out of the playoff might keep you out of the playoff, but a win may get you in or result in a better seed
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The recruiting part alone might be plenty of reason to "schedule up".
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do playoff teams get all the playoff game money? or does it go to the conference and distributed?
scheduling a big time home game in Sept is worth some real coin
I don't know which amount is more.
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The recruiting part alone might be plenty of reason to "schedule up".
This is extremely antiquated thinking now.
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many perks come with top shelf home games
boosters of substance like to set in their skyboxes for those games
4 & 5-star recruits like to be on the sideline for those games
there's a chance to host GameDay
the national TV audience will be larger with better ratings
a loss may keep you out of the playoff might keep you out of the playoff, but a win may get you in or result in a better seed
These 3 make a big-opponent home game risky. The booster may donate less. The 5* recruit may no longer dig your school. More millions of people watch you lose.
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extremely?
how about the Gator's Frosh QB?
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extremely?
how about the Gator's Frosh QB?
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DJ Lagway was a recruit.
am I right?
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DJ Lagway was a recruit.
am I right?
Ummm, all players were once recruits.....
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well then, apparently, recruiting still matters
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JFC
No one said "recruiting doesn't matter" - I was saying who you play at home no longer matters in recruiting, now that schools are throwing money at these recruits.
Is that really what you took away from my reply to cincy? Like for real? Recruiting doesn't matter?!? You saw his post and my reply and BOOM - "OAM thinks recruiting doesn't matter!"
FFS
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well, I think who you play at home for a kids visit does matter
much different experience and atmosphere in Lincoln for the weekend of the Colorado game than the Northern Iowa game
yes, a shit ton more money probably trumps the gameday experience, but if the money is similar, some kids are just kids wanting to have a good time in college
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Programs put a LOT of emphasis on recruiting, so I suspect they think it matters, a lot. I think it matters, a lot, also. A thing which helps recruiting will often be attractive, like scheduling some major OOC games. It's a factor, in my view.
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Imagine a team that plays 3 worthy OOC opponents in a season, versus another that plays one. Maybe the former goes 2-1 if it has a CFP worthy team. That isn't going to hurt them much at all if they do well in conference play (which is a given). The latter team has about a 50-50 chance of winning its single game, so in some years they get a black mark and in some years not. I don't think scheduling "up" lessens one's shot at the CFP, if we're talking about CFP worthy teams.
The 3 loss teams THIS year didn't suffer from OOC losses at all, so that couldn't have harmed their CFP chances. As for conference play, it's a crap shoot, some years you're going to miss the better teams like Indiana did and some years you get the hammer. Granted, if Indiana had somehow schedule say ND OOC in the regular season, they would have been out had they lost that one.
A P2 team that goes 11-1 likely will slide into the CFP as an at large, but the road will then end shortly. Maybe they shouldn't, but they will.
Did Indiana have a softer conference slate than others? Sure. Did they contrive to do that? No.
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Ohio State once made the playoff on the fact another team had a garbage non-conference schedule. Changed the course of a season.
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Sure, I think it is a factor when teams' records are one loss apart. We'll see 10-2 teams ahead of 11-1 teams fairly often as a result. The current No. 2 team ranked is 11-2 ahead of some one loss teams. I see a benefit in scheduling a pretty solid OOC slate. And yes, it might cost you if you schedule 3 and lose all three. That probably means you're not CFP worthy.
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If a school plays a better OOC opponent for visiting recruits, the additional risk of a loss is going to be worse than the 'cool factor' of your stadium atmosphere.
And if another school is going to pay a recruit 1 more dollar than you are, say goodbye to that recruit.
It's not complicated.
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I disagree
even if you take that loss, getting a couple difference makin recruits could get you in the playoff a few seasons down the road
might be worth it
and
if Purdue is offering $10 more than Michigan and Ohio St., that's not enuff to get that recruit.
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The money factor indeed is one enticement, but as noted, it's not the only one. Nobody elite is going to Ball State because they offered him more money.
I took a lower paying job when I started working because other factors dominated in my decision.
Of course, if recruiting is no longer worth much, then the whole thing is moot anyway.
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Purdue and Ball State isn't offering more money, soo.....
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And I've got to say, it's funny for Skattebo on ASU to run his mouth about nobody stopping him. ASU only faced 2 top 25 rush defenses this year, and he didn't play in either of those games.
He may be in for a rude awakening.
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Some programs might obviously cut back on OOC scheduling in order to try and slide into the CFP, I don't expect that to be a major trend or common occurence.
The B1G teams all play 9 conference games which obviously leaves only 3 under their control, and many of them play 1 decent OOC game. SEC teams have one game more to control of course. UGA only plays Tech for the next few years because of the conference rearrangements. They would have played two decent OOC games otherwise.
I prefer every team play ten decent games overall out of 12.