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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on December 08, 2024, 10:14:14 PM
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Battle for Indiana
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(10) Indiana (+7.5) at (7) Notre Dame -- Friday, Dec. 20 (8 p.m. ET): Perhaps the most exciting game on the board takes place at Notre Dame Stadium between in-state rivals. The teams last played in 1991, and before that in 1958. The Hoosiers boast only one win against Notre Dame since 1906. However, this is arguably the best Indiana team in history and should present a serious matchup to the legendary Fighting Irish.
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Indiana has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever and knock Notre Dame out of the first round in their own stadium.
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ND has wins over A&M (on the road), Army, Navy, and Laville by a TD. They have the glaring loss of course. As noted, had they beaten NIU they'd have a 5 seed.
They appear to be a pretty solid team, but so does Indiana. To me.
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As an avowed ND hater since the beginning of time I'm biased but I just don't see the love for ND. Yeah, they won at A&M in the first game of the season. Nice win. Great. They then immediately lost at home to a 7-5 MAC team. But other than that who have they played? What's their second best win? Army? Louisville? Sorry, those don't move the needle for me. Where would those two teams be in the Big Ten?
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I also am an avowed Notre Dame hater. I think almost the entire country will be Indiana fans this game.
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There are more Catholics in the US than any other denomination, and many of them view ND as their team.
And no, ND lacks any truly impressive wins, but they are far from singular in that respect. Many of the CFP teams don't have any better wins.
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IU has to stop the run and make Riley Leonard beat them. They've been pretty good against the run all season. ND's defense is formidable. Michigan showed the country that the blueprint to slowing down the IU offense was to blitz Rourke aggressively. IU's line and RB's weren't great at picking it up. In fact, they were pretty terrible. Michigan especially went at the side of the line opposite of TE Zach Horton who is a tremendous blocker. Ohio State built upon this and even Purdue managed to get to him a few times. Hopefully, the coaching staff will use the next couple of weeks to fix that problem. If they do, IU has a great chance in this game.
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First non-NBC telecast of a ND home game since 1990 Penn St at Notre Dame. I believe Ron Franklin was on the call for espn.
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This is easily the most expensive secondary market ticket of the four games.
$1,000+ per.
Make PSU and Ohio St games look like bargains.
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This is easily the most expensive secondary market ticket of the four games.
$1,000+ per.
Make PSU and Ohio St games look like bargains.
I briefly thought about going to this game with my son. Then I saw the prices for the "cheap seats" well into four-digit territory and decided we'd be more comfortable watching the game in our warm house with hot pizza and cold beverages.
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Go Hoosiers!
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Ugh, really, 2024? Do we have to do this?! We really have to give one of the two teams I hate the most a CFP win in the inaugural year of the playoff by matching them against each other?
And then I have to wait an entire week and a half for Georgia to expose that team as the fraud they are?
I guess I'm rooting for the meteor.
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Ugh, really, 2024? Do we have to do this?! We really have to give one of the two teams I hate the most a CFP win in the inaugural year of the playoff by matching them against each other?
And then I have to wait an entire week and a half for Georgia to expose that team as the fraud they are?
I guess I'm rooting for the meteor.
Heh, totally get it.
I'd pull for Purdue over either of the other two, for what it's worth. :)
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I suspect Indiana would be "easiest to beat" in the next round, so yeah, go Whosiers? Then again beating Notre Dame is some fun I guess.
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I'm not so sure.....
Hoosiers had a tough game vs OSU in the Shoe.
Some special teams gaffs lead to things getting out of control
They could easily play clean on special teams and give any playoff team a game
Or not...
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Looking forward to this game. Will of course be cheering against Notre Dame but think the Irish win this one.
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I hope I'm wrong but it seems to me that Indiana is REALLY good at beating the crap out of bad teams but not actually equipped to take on high-end teams. Michigan and Ohio State obliterated their OL and I think ND will do that too.
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why didn't ND obliterate NIU's O-line?
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Good/fair question, but some version of this question can be asked of essentially any team in the field except for Oregon, Texas, and Penn State.
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why didn't ND obliterate NIU's O-line?
Eh, upsets happen. Evaluating any team based on their worst game is misleading:
- Oregon is barely better than Wisconsin.
- Georgia sucks (see OleMiss game).
- Texas is 2TDs worse than UGA on their own field.
- Penn State is a TD worse than tOSU on their own field.
- See above
- Ohio State sucks (see M game).
Etc
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Eh, upsets happen. Evaluating any team based on their worst game is misleading:
- Hoosiers suck - see game in the shoe
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@FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) , I get what you are saying but my defense is that I'm not cherry-picking but rather looking at the ONLY games they played all year against high end opposition.
Indiana's schedule makes it tricky because they had a pathetic OOC and lucked into a REALLY weak league schedule so there isn't much of a basis of comparison.
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Because of my own bias, I think ND's win at SC should get a little attention as well. Is it a great win? No, but it's a good one.
ND as the favorite makes sense to me, but IU has been surprising me most of the season.
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@FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) , I get what you are saying but my defense is that I'm not cherry-picking but rather looking at the ONLY games they played all year against high end opposition.
Indiana's schedule makes it tricky because they had a pathetic OOC and lucked into a REALLY weak league schedule so there isn't much of a basis of comparison.
Exactly. Is Notre Dame a paper tiger? Probably. Not because they lost to NIU, but because Notre Dame will ALWAYS be considered a paper tiger by me until they prove otherwise. They're a good team, but I'm going to call them a CFP fraud unless they can show me they can play with the big boys.
But they're not facing a "big boy". They're facing Indiana, a team that I don't trust to be the one that can expose Notre Dame's fraudulence.
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Exactly. Is Notre Dame a paper tiger? Probably. Not because they lost to NIU, but because Notre Dame will ALWAYS be considered a paper tiger by me until they prove otherwise. They're a good team, but I'm going to call them a CFP fraud unless they can show me they can play with the big boys.
But they're not facing a "big boy". They're facing Indiana, a team that I don't trust to be the one that can expose Notre Dame's fraudulence.
If Indiana starts beating Notre Dame in football, then what does that do to the reversable jacket phenomenon?
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one of the first things I enjoyed when I moved to Indiana was find/discover those reversible jackets. They really do exist! (the reversible jacket people).
I suppose that does exist in some other markets....somewhere. Usually it's the cliffs' notes fan, who are really Fans of the pro team 1st and foremost, and then front run the college team if things are going well. Used to see this a ton growing up, Packers fans that would notice the Badgers Saturday morning until about 6pm on a Saturday, then it was back to the Pack. Still that way quite a bit on the eastern side of the State.
I have yet to run into a Purdue fan making that wardrobe malfunction, or for that matter an actual ND fan.
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LA seems like it would have a USC football/UCLA basketball crowd.
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one of the first things I enjoyed when I moved to Indiana was find/discover those reversible jackets. They really do exist! (the reversible jacket people).
I suppose that does exist in some other markets....somewhere. Usually it's the cliffs' notes fan, who are really Fans of the pro team 1st and foremost, and then front run the college team if things are going well. Used to see this a ton growing up, Packers fans that would notice the Badgers Saturday morning until about 6pm on a Saturday, then it was back to the Pack. Still that way quite a bit on the eastern side of the State.
I have yet to run into a Purdue fan making that wardrobe malfunction, or for that matter an actual ND fan.
My co-workers husband is one.
And to make it even better?
He's a Purdue alum
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If Indiana starts beating Notre Dame in football, then what does that do to the reversable jacket phenomenon?
They don't play often enough for that to be an issue. If Indiana turned into a consistent playoff team--excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth a little--and Notre Dame falls of the map, after a decade or so they might just all become Indiana fans.
That said, it's not like Indiana's basketball team has been a thing for a decade or so, and that hasn't stopped them from wearing red in the winter.
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Guess we'll never know
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one of the first things I enjoyed when I moved to Indiana was find/discover those reversible jackets. They really do exist! (the reversible jacket people).
I suppose that does exist in some other markets....somewhere. Usually it's the cliffs' notes fan, who are really Fans of the pro team 1st and foremost, and then front run the college team if things are going well. Used to see this a ton growing up, Packers fans that would notice the Badgers Saturday morning until about 6pm on a Saturday, then it was back to the Pack. Still that way quite a bit on the eastern side of the State.
I have yet to run into a Purdue fan making that wardrobe malfunction, or for that matter an actual ND fan.
Yeah, our crowd was like that. We'd all stay in the hotel and on Sunday mornings they'd wake up in their Packer shit and hang out in the breakfast room.
We'd just leave.
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I woke up bright an early on Sunday morning in Madison
headed to Green Bay to watch the Pack lose to Tampa!
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Exactly. Is Notre Dame a paper tiger? Probably. Not because they lost to NIU, but because Notre Dame will ALWAYS be considered a paper tiger by me until they prove otherwise. They're a good team, but I'm going to call them a CFP fraud unless they can show me they can play with the big boys.
But they're not facing a "big boy". They're facing Indiana, a team that I don't trust to be the one that can expose Notre Dame's fraudulence.
ND is one-dimensional. Their QB turns way too many called pass plays into scrambles. IU (despite the best run D in the country) couldn't stop ND's run game. One would thing a team like UGA, which specializes in doing such, would be able to do so. Even with this year's version of Georgia not being GEORGIA, it makes sense to be selling on ND.