I could make up 4 random bowls and no one would notice.Can you make one up for Wisconsin? I'd notice.
an extra B1G went to the playoffIowa raises hand.
4-3
it's either Michigan or Illinois
Biff Tannen Bowl: Marshall vs ArmyThis is what always confused me about Back to the Future part II
make up one for nebraska in Arizona and some Husker fans would show upYou can't make this stuff up because the reality is so much more fun.
Michigan vs Alabama will be fun.seems like a very uneven match up....Michigan should've been playing another 7-5 team from the SEC....Florida.
How in the hell did 7-5 Michigan get paired up with 9-3 Alabama? Well, at least Michigan will not get caught overlooking a lesser opponent.how? tv ratings. damn the quality of the match-up and trying to get two reasonably evenly matched teams in a competitive matchup. two blue bloods and two of the biggest brands in the sport going at it will draw eye balls to tv sets.
My "theory" is betting the dog in every bowl game will almost pay out, it usually won't beat the vig.especially in todays environment where top NFL draft prospects sit out of bowl games unless they are in the playoff.
Del Boca Vista Bowl: Western Kentucky vs James MadisonLoser has to move to Phase III and cannot run for Condo President.
Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl: Colorado St vs Miami-OHI can't believe this is a real bowl. I had to Google this one. How did Snoop become America's sweetheart?
Outside of the top few bowl games that involved MNC contenders, the bowl games have always been meaningless exhibitions. Many coaches have long approached them as a "reward" for the team. Mack Brown specifically didn't give even one half of one shit about the bowl games unless they had NC implications-- he used the additional December practices working on next year's team Lots of coaches do that.Weird how kids started opting out.
Weird how kids started opting out.I don't think it's all that weird, just the next phase of a long and probably inevitable transition.
I don't think it's all that weird, just the next phase of a long and probably inevitable transition.That was tongue in cheek. We’re in agreement.
A couple of decades ago, even though the games didn't matter, the players still wanted to be part of the team, get the free trip, get the swag. It wasn't really "acceptable" to opt out, you were viewed as not being a team player, and it was a concern that this was something that could potentially hurt your draft stock.
Then, a handful of players did it, and the NFL didn't view it as a negative thing, and then more kids did it, and now it's become common, with no stigma attached to those who opt out as being "me first" guys. Seems like a pretty reasonable and predictable evolution to me.
That was tongue in cheek. We’re in agreement.Ha! Sorry. My sarcasm meter is apparently broken this morning. I blame the weekend's birthday festivities.
I hope they start paying kids to play in them.
That was tongue in cheek. We’re in agreement.
I hope they start paying kids to play in them.
I can't believe this is a real bowl. I had to Google this one. How did Snoop become America's sweetheart?Well, to an extent once he stopped running around with a bad crowd*, he looked much cleaner in comparison.
I can't believe this is a real bowl. I had to Google this one. How did Snoop become America's sweetheart?I'm disappointed it's not being played in California's Emerald Triangle.
Ha! Sorry. My sarcasm meter is apparently broken this morning. I blame the weekend's birthday festivities.
The spread.Put money on it, we’ll see if your theory works.
| [th]Result[/th] [th]Instances[/th] [th]Percentage[/th] | ||
| Dog Won | 206 | 36.59% |
| Dog Covered & Lost | 85 | 15.1% |
| Fav. Won & Covered | 272 | 48.31% |
| [th]Result[/th] [th]Instances[/th] [th]Percentage[/th] | ||
| Dog Won | 360 | 36.33% |
| Dog Covered & Lost | 148 | 14.93% |
| Fav. Won & Covered | 483 | 48.74% |
| [th]Result[/th] [th]Instances[/th] [th]Percentage[/th] | ||
| Dog Won | 6,198 | 23.46% |
| Dog Covered & Lost | 7,051 | 26.69% |
| Fav. Won & Covered | 13,168 | 49.85% |
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I've done it on paper in past years and it "works" to an extent, but sometimes it doesn't cover the vig. You won't make any real money if it works. I THINK bettors over value favorites in bowl games, not regular games.Well, now we’ll get to see for real!
Well, now we’ll get to see for real!Anybody want to take one for the team and track our "bets" on these games? I don't, but some of our super-detailed folks like @medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547) or @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) might volunteer... :)
Anybody want to take one for the team and track our "bets" on these games? I don't, but some of our super-detailed folks like @medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547) or @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) might volunteer... :)If we're going to do this, can we actually make some real stakes? Maybe everyone throws in $10 to participate and it's winner take all? Given how little attention I've paid to CFB this year I'm probably not going to put any real effort into this (or participate at all) if there isn't at least a chance to get something at the end of it...
If we're going to do this, can we actually make some real stakes? Maybe everyone throws in $10 to participate and it's winner take all? Given how little attention I've paid to CFB this year I'm probably not going to put any real effort into this (or participate at all) if there isn't at least a chance to get something at the end of it...
Either way, I recommend not just making this an against-the-spread competition. I think everyone should have the choice of four bets for each game:
- Favorite money line
- Favorite covers
- Underdog beats
- Underdog money line
That way some of the higher-value bets (like underdog money line) can give people the opportunity for positive variance, and also reduce the chances of ties if multiple people picked different games ATS but all ended up with the same number of right vs wrong so end up with the same "score" since ATS is always a -110 bet...
Anybody want to take one for the team and track our "bets" on these games? I don't, but some of our super-detailed folks like @medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547) or @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) might volunteer... :)point the thumb, not the finger
Oh, you're talking about a different type of bet altogether. I was just interested in testing the theory of betting the underdog in every game. Somebody would just have to track the winners against the spread and then see how our fictitious bets did against the betting line.Oh, I thought you were suggesting a CFB51 betting acumen challenge...
What you're talking about involves much more thought and consideration, and sounds like a lot more work than I want to put in during the Winter Holidays. ;)
point the thumb, not the fingerYeah no thanks. Smacks of too much effort. :)
I always prefer straight up confidence.But that was the point of the exercise. Test the hypothesis that betting the underdog given the spread, was a winning strategy.
Betting with lines in these games went from kind of a crapshoot to REALLY a crapshoot
Anybody want to take one for the team and track our "bets" on these games? I don't, but some of our super-detailed folks like @medinabuckeye1 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1547) or @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) might volunteer... :)I’m gonna build my own spreadsheet. I placed all the bets last night not very highstakes.
I’m gonna build my own spreadsheet. I placed all the bets last night not very highstakes.Cool, thanks for a straight up response rather than being a jackwagon like AAA and bwar :)
I’m gonna build my own spreadsheet. I placed all the bets last night not very highstakes.I know a guy that places bets everytime he's in Iowa
This is what always confused me about Back to the Future part IINo, because the almanac was from 1985 so it is no longer viable.
If Biff Tannen went back in time, got rich and created his own bowl game, would he know who won the game ahead of time?
No, because the almanac was from 1985 so it is no longer viable.It was from 2015, and covered the years 1950-2000.
Thanks for the article @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) and everyone for these thoughts on the theory of betting the dog.
Based on @Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870) 's article it appears that betting the underdog on the moneyline is the smart play because the underdogs don't actually cover while losing very often.
The problem I always run into when looking at these ideas is that the percentages are so slim that it just isn't worth the risk.
Somewhere above, it suggested a 4.1% ROI but then noted that one particular year (I think 2020) was REALLY bad for underdogs.
According to Google there are 47 bowl games this year. Ok, if you bet $100 on each underdog that would be $4,700 bet and an ROI of 4.1% suggests that you should end up with $4,892.70 on average.
The vig is 10% but only applies to the losers. Based on that, you need to win 25/47 just to get above water and that only puts you up $80 which is an ROI of just 1.7%. Hitting on extra games helps obviously but losing extra games hurts. Within a range close to breaking even you have:
- 22-25 results in a loss of $550 or 11.70%
- 23-24 results in a loss of $340 or 7.23%
- 24-23 results in a loss of $130 or 2.77%
- 25-22 results in a gain of $80 or 1.70%
- 26-21 results in a gain of $290 or 6.17%
- 27-20 results in a gain of $500 or 10.64%
The percentages are actually worse though because I calculated that based on the $4,700 that you bet but in order to bet $4,700 you are actually risking $5,170 because each loser costs $110. If you figure based on the $5,170 at risk, your ROI for going 27-20 is only 9.67%.
It just isn't enough money to be worth the risk. Based on the article, the average for 47 games would be to go either 25-22 or 26-21 so you'd make <$300. Even if you put a thousand on each game you'd only be making an average of about $2,100. Try convincing your wife to put $50 Grand on the line in an effort to make $2,100.
Occasionally I run across "sure fire ways to beat Vegas" in social media, and occasionally I'll look at them. At BEST, some MIGHT confer a fraction of a percent advantage.Yeah, such a thing mostly doesn't exist. Especially with things like roulette.
takes money to make moneyEven if you put a thousand on each game you'd only be making an average of about $2,100. Try convincing your wife to put $50 Grand on the line in an effort to make $2,100.
It's the same way with investing advice and tricks. If I knew a way to beat the markets significantly, I wouldn't be sharing it. There are some excellent books on investing of course, but they all go into the hard work involved. The Howard Marks letters are worth reading I think, "The most important thing."Ed Zachary. There are no technical market analyses that ensure positive returns in a meaningful enough way to get rich. Anyone trying to sell you some, is a scam artist. If anyone really did know how to do it, they wouldn't be telling others.
takes money to make moneyYes, but it's all relative. If I had a million, making $42,000 would seem to be kind of chump change unless I could do it every day.
so the High Rollers put down a million and make $42,000 or even 10 million for $420,000
Yes, but it's all relative. If I had a million, making $42,000 would seem to be kind of chump change unless I could do it every day.Right on. There are easier ways for the wealthy to get a 4.2% ROI.
And it's work.
Right on. There are easier ways for the wealthy to get a 4.2% ROI.Yep. And ways with much lower risk.
I gamble a bit with stock options, more rarely, usually I'm placing covered call options which are more insurance than gambling.My gambling is in options. I've made a good bit at times but I lost a LOT in the crash back in 2008.
How do you rank the bowl matchups?By what? Interest?
I'm an anti-time-paradox philosopher. I believe that time travel is possible, but anything you do in the past is already incorporated into your future, so the timeline remains consistent no matter what.Convenient.
Ed Zachary. There are no technical market analyses that ensure positive returns in a meaningful enough way to get rich. Anyone trying to sell you some, is a scam artist. If anyone really did know how to do it, they wouldn't be telling others.Those late-night infomercials of the past were fun.
Myrtle Beach Bowl: UTSA @ Coastal CarolinaIs
Hawai'i Bowl: South Florida vs San Jose StateIs There
Salute to Veterans Bowl: South Alabama vs Western MichiganA
Frisco Bowl: West Virginia vs MemphisReason
Del Boca Vista Bowl: Western Kentucky vs James MadisonFor
New Orleans Bowl: GA Southern vs Sam HoustonMaking
Cure Bowl: Ohio U vs Jacksonville StSo Many separate posts on this?
So Many separate posts on this?No reason, just dumb, blind luck on your part.
Marshall has dropped out of the Independence bowl due to too many players entering the portal after their coach left.
Ed Zachery
Lane Kiffin criticizing the Transfer Portal calendar last week:
"It really is a dumb system...The season's not over yet, and there's a free agency window open. Just think if the NFL was getting ready for the AFC, NFC playoffs, postseason, and players are in free agency already. It's a really poor system, but we just try to manage the best we can through it, and hopefully someday it'll get fixed."
I think the problem with waiting until after bowl season is that it's after the new semester has started for most schools.maybe we could move the season up a month to fix that - July games!
Wouldn't want these student-athletes to be before they even step into class!
Wow, Cal made a bowl?!? They were FSU's only FBS win this year. Ouch.Cal didn't play an SEC sched
2800 players in transfer portal?105 limit to rosters
https://twitter.com/Jbooty88/status/1869427621152600231I'm fine with it. But my counter has been, why limit it to bowl games? If bowl games are just exhibitions, then every game after like 4 losses is as well, because at that point all you are playing for is the opportunity to play in the exhibition.
Wow, Cal made a bowl?!? They were FSU's only FBS win this year. Ouch.They had a weird run where they couldn’t win a close game. They were a strangely inconsistent but on balance competent team.
I'm fine with it. But my counter has been, why limit it to bowl games? If bowl games are just exhibitions, then every game after like 4 losses is as well, because at that point all you are playing for is the opportunity to play in the exhibition.Will Johnson
I played the spread on Western Michigan, Memphis, Western Kentucky, and UNLV. That last field goal from JMU hurt.This is why I've been a big pussy and never bet real money on games.....the randomness of late-game coaching decisions. Oh, we're up 20 late? Just run the ball on 4th down and get the game over with. Oh, we're up 20 late? Kick the FG, as always.
Oh, we're up 20 late? Kick the FG, as always.
There is absolutely zero way to factor that in. None.
Love daytime football. My daughter goes to OU think I ought to watch this game in solidarityCouple of good teams in that one. Too bad the coaches opted out, but certainly a nice afternoon of ball.
400-something lb DT Desmond Watson is now in at FB. Got a carry for a first down and is lead-blocking for Marco Rubio's walk-on son RB.https://twitter.com/GatorsFB/status/1870256272622203335
This has been boring as hell. Tulane's offense is hot garbage w/o their QB. Lagway is hurt, but still playing.
https://twitter.com/GatorsFB/status/1870256272622203335It's a crap bowl game.
https://twitter.com/GatorsFB/status/1870256272622203335Is that a cell phone in his pocket?? No, it's a thigh pad!!!
Toledo has a strong history, so why haven't they moved up at all? The school just not putting money into the sport? Has OSU had any influence on limiting in-state competition? Some sort of odd attachment to the MAC?Move up... where?
Toledo's history of success, being in a talented area/state, etc....it could very easily be a P4 program, no?
I don't mean today, I meant as time passed. They could have gone independent in the late 70s/80s when there were a ton of other independents. They could have easily been a Big East program, had they elevated their program just a little during the 80s.NIU quit the MAC and went Indy. Didn't go well. Then they joined the Big West and went Indy again as you are suggesting here. It failed miserably.
From there, who knows? Rutgers in the Big Ten still doesn't make sense to this day. Cal is in the freakin' ACC. But I was just wondering aloud how Toledo failed to build on its successes from the 60s and 70s, that's all.
I don't mean today, I meant as time passed. They could have gone independent in the late 70s/80s when there were a ton of other independents. They could have easily been a Big East program, had they elevated their program just a little during the 80s.Fair. I don't know why they didn't make any previous moves. Never really thought of them as anything because they were "just another MAC school" to me.
NIU quit the MAC and went Indy. Didn't go well. Then they joined the Big West and went Indy again as you are suggesting here. It failed miserably.NIU doesn't have anything near the historical success Toledo had, does it?
NIU doesn't have anything near the historical success Toledo had, does it?Not even close.
Maybe it was too large a risk to take. Idk.
I don't mean today, I meant as time passed. They could have gone independent in the late 70s/80s when there were a ton of other independents. They could have easily been a Big East program, had they elevated their program just a little during the 80s.They weren't all that good in the late 70s/80s?
From there, who knows? Rutgers in the Big Ten still doesn't make sense to this day. Cal is in the freakin' ACC. But I was just wondering aloud how Toledo failed to build on its successes from the 60s and 70s, that's all.
I didn’t expect Oklahoma would come in really wanting this, but there they are.
I just noticed that UNC and UCONN are playing a game tomorrow in Boston . . . in football. Can we just call this the "I wish this were a basketball game Bowl"?Like if Duke played Kansas in the Aloha Bowl.
Like if Duke played Kansas in the Aloha Bowl.We would call that the Maui invitational
This USC QB might be having the worst game I've ever seen a QB have. Totally inept. Hooray, modern bowl games!!! Backups and 3rd-stringers everywhere!!!That kid started their last three games. So this wasn’t about modern bowl games (!!!!). Just regular old college football.
The Trojan WRs are exasperated.
Wow. Very impressed by USC's tenacity. Would have been very easy to give up, considering the QB play. Everyone kept at it and they came back to win. Good for them!Puke. That’s all I got.
Is Nebraska going to flub this up??
Is Nebraska going to flub this up??they tried, as usual
I watched parts of some bowl games yesterday and was impressed with the effort by mediocre teams out there.BC and UNL
Matt Campbell's Cyclones 11 wins, great win beating Cam Ward and the Canes *FIFY
Matt Campbell's Cyclones 11 wins, great win beating Cam Ward and the Canes 👍Plus ya'boy won the CyHawk for a change.
Plus ya'boy won the CyHawk for a change.They lost 2 games by 1 pt and in OT ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Someone drugged Ralphie.it's better like that for some high strung females
never liked SandersRunning back punts and picks for Je-e-e-sus,think someone would be grateful
but not because of his belief in God
Can someone explain this to me:I poked around a little and it seems that they effectively had six turnovers so that explains some:
According to my phone Colorado State had 462 yards, 61 more than Miami, OH and yet lost 43-17.
How do you gain 462 yards and only score three times?
Can someone explain this to me:MACtion!!!!
According to my phone Colorado State had 462 yards, 61 more than Miami, OH and yet lost 43-17.
How do you gain 462 yards and only score three times?
And the 2 teams play each other to start the 2025 season, lol.Pay per view have an MMA undercard
Crazy shit!
poor RalphieTheir play mirrors the buffalo's lethargy.
he was largely outcoached last nightKinda doubt it'll be at Colorado
we shall see how he does next season w/o Hunter and shredder
someone would be foolish to give him a step up, IMOI think he's out of eligibility. Even in this era. He's been in school for six years (RS year, COVID year, four years of full seasons).
wondering if his other son, Shilo is coming back
Cam Ward played only to set some national passing record, from what I gather.I am,to a degree, more forgiving than many. But that is in remains some absolute clown shit
good thing Cincy didn't bet the farm on the Dawgs (underdogs)The tactic didn't work at all so far this year, I stopped keeping track.
The tactic didn't work at all so far this year, I stopped keeping track.This is how you win on paper.
The tactic didn't work at all so far this year, I stopped keeping track.14-12 on non-playoff dogs. I forgot to reload on the independence bowl, so I think I’m a hint up.
did Iowa's offense evolve in bowl practice?Who won?
OR
Does the Tigger's SEC defense suck that badly?
I mean the Hawkeyes have only punted ONCE!!!!
SEC SEC SEC!fun game
friggin Tiggers
B1G is now 4-3 straight up and 6-1 ATS. Here is what is upcoming:Above updated for the Iowa result.
- Michigan +13.5 vs Bama today at noon
- Washington +2.5 vs L'Ville this afternoon
- Illinois +10 vs USCe this afternoon
- Penn State -11 vs Boise tonight
- Ohio State -2.5 vs Oregon NYD
- Oregon +2.5 vs tOSU NYD
- Minnesota -7.5 vs VaTech Friday night
- Oregon/Ohio State winner vs Texas/ASU
- Penn State (assuming they beat Boise) vs UGA/ND
- Oregon/Ohio State winner vs PSU/Boise/UGA/ND
- Penn State (assuming they beat Boise and UGA/ND) vs Oregon/Ohio State/Texas/ASU
Underdogs in Bold.
So we have between eight and 11 games remaining. We also already know that we will go 1-1 both straight up and ATS in the Rose Bowl since we are on both sides of that. In the seven known match-ups the B1G team is only favored in three and one of those is against another B1G team.
A realistic though perhaps somewhat optimistic hope:At that point we could do no worse than 8-8 with two teams in the CFP Semi-Finals and we could do as well as 10-9 with an all-B1G CFPCG.
- Win one of the next three (we are underdogs in all three). That gets us to 5-5
- Penn State beats Boise. That gets us to 6-5.
- Rose Bowl gets us to 7-6.
- Minnesota beats VaTech. That gets us to 8-6 with PSU and the Oregon/Ohio State winner still playing.
Alabama: NOT interested in making the people lobbying for its inclusion look better.
Michigan up 16-0 to end first quarter:On less than 75 yards of total offense, that is nuts!
at what point does Jadyn Davis get some run? Seen enough of Davis Warren and Alex Orji. Let’s see what the young kid has.Yeah, Orji is actively in the portal. I don't blame him, but you need to look to the future
Yeah, Orji is actively in the portal. I don't blame him, but you need to look to the futureHe ain't helping himself.
Sherrone Moore got aggressive at a very weird timedude drives me crazy as a coach. he ain’t it I’m afraid.
Sherrone Moore got aggressive at a very weird timePaid for it.
Paid for it.No shit….and crazy thing is even if you get the ball back with 30 seconds…Davis fucking Warren’s dogshit ass is still your QB because you refuse to give Jadyn Davis any run- and it’s not like Davis Warren is going to do anything with 30 seconds and one time out left….
at what point does Jadyn Davis get some run? Seen enough of Davis Warren and Alex Orji. Let’s see what the young kid has.When they think he’ll be better, probably.
No shit….and crazy thing is even if you get the ball back with 30 seconds…Davis fucking Warren’s dogshit ass is still your QB because you refuse to give Jadyn Davis any run- and it’s not like Davis Warren is going to do anything with 30 seconds and one time out left….Warren is playing good enough for Michigan to win.
Warren is playing good enough for Michigan to win.Yeah . . . if Bama goes back to turning the ball over every freaking possession.
Yeah . . . if Bama goes back to turning the ball over every freaking possession.Yeah, pretty much this.
Seriously get Orji the F off the fieldNo shit. He literally cannot throw and he’s in the portal.
Jordan Marshall is REALLY good.Marshall with a real qb next year is gonna be a powerhouse. I don’t get excited by young running backs often, but he looks solid.
LOL @ announcers talking up UM's defense while whining all game long how Milroe is completely not seeing wide-open receivers.Michigan’s D has been lights out back half of the season. And that’s without Will Johnson who is about to be a top 5-10 pick.
It ain't both, bud.
Michigan’s D has been lights out back half of the season. And that’s without Will Johnson who is about to be a top 5-10 pick.I agree, but if guys are running free and just not being seen by the QB.....
If Bama gets a TD here, the lack of confidence UM fans are going to feel needing to pass their way down the field is going to be palpable.thankfully the defense held.
thankfully the defense held.Hopefully this shuts down the whining about Bama should have been in the playoffs.
I keep seeing talk of Milroe being a top draft pick.Agree 100%. Freak athlete with a cannon arm but he’s FAR from a polished product. He’s basically mini Anthony Richardson. How’s that working out for the Colts?
They know way more than me, but I don’t see that at all.
Michigan’s starting true freshman RB, Jordan Marshall, from Ohio, is special.he is legit. them Mr. Football Ohio kids tend to turn out pretty good at Michigan. Pretty sure Desmond, Woodson, & Manningham all were Mr. Football Ohio winners in HS.
Go Blue!
B1G is now 5-3 straight up and 7-1 ATS. Here is what is upcoming:Above updated for Michigan>Bama
- Washington +2.5 vs L'Ville right now
- Illinois +10 vs USCe right now
- Penn State -11 vs Boise tonight
- Ohio State -2.5 vs Oregon NYD
- Oregon +2.5 vs tOSU NYD
- Minnesota -7.5 vs VaTech Friday night
- Oregon/Ohio State winner vs Texas/ASU
- Penn State (assuming they beat Boise) vs UGA/ND
- Oregon/Ohio State winner vs PSU/Boise/UGA/ND
- Penn State (assuming they beat Boise and UGA/ND) vs Oregon/Ohio State/Texas/ASU
Underdogs in Bold.
So we have between seven and 10 games remaining. We also already know that we will go 1-1 both straight up and ATS in the Rose Bowl since we are on both sides of that. In the eight known match-ups the B1G team is only favored in three and one of those is against another B1G team.
A realistic though perhaps somewhat optimistic hope:At that point we could do no worse than 8-8 with two teams in the CFP Semi-Finals and we could do as well as 10-9 with an all-B1G CFPCG.
- Lose the two afternoon games today. That gets us to 5-5
- Penn State beats Boise. That gets us to 6-5.
- Rose Bowl gets us to 7-6.
- Minnesota beats VaTech. That gets us to 8-6 with PSU and the Oregon/Ohio State winner still playing.
Hopefully this shuts down the whining about Bama should have been in the playoffs.and ramps up whining about a new coach
and ramps up whining about a new coachNew (2) Alabama Alabama Crimson Tide Message Board Forum (https://247sports.com/college/alabama/board/alabama-crimson-tide-message-board-forum-116/)
you can, but I'd rather notSomeone has his retirement account wrapped up in Union Home Mortgage
Frank Solich, Bo Pelini, and Mack Brown are availableAs is Mel Tucker. Part of that Saban tree too!
Kirk is madKirk and Bama can suck it!
Kirk and Bama can suck it!He works for ESECPN, its mandated in his contract
Kirk also wasnt talking about #15 South CarolinaKirk never specifically said who should replace Indiana, but he obviously wasn't taking about #11 Alabama, #13 Miami, or #15 South Carolina. Let's see how #14 Ole Miss does. Because he meant them and #17 BYU should have gotten in. Unless Lane Kiffin blows it, then he meant BYU and Iowa State. Big XII deserved 3 slots, even though he's already mad about Arizona State.
These should be Illinois' permanent helmetsI think they ordered along with Baylor to get a discount.