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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Mdot21 on December 03, 2024, 06:20:34 PM
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Sherrone Moore fires OC Kirk Campbell. Campbell has been a shit sandwich the last 3 years as QB coach/Pass Game Co-Ordinator and full-time OC this year. Good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Get. The. Fuck. Out.
He was always a terrible unqualified hire, his only previous stint as an OC was at Old Dominion where his offenses were putrid and he got fired. Only reason he ever wound up where he did is because Matt Weiss got in trouble and then Jeem in a pinch just promoted Kirk and then they won a Natty despite Kirk- and then Jeem left for the NFL way too late in the game for Sherrone to really find a real replacement and Jeem took most of the coaching staff with him to the NFL....except he said hey Sherrone why don't you keep this Kirk fella at OC....he's great!
Moore showing he's got the stones to do what is right- he owes Kirk Campbell nothing- he owes all of those coaches on his staff nothing- they either perform and get the job done or they are gone and someone else who can get the job done will take their place. Point blank. Period.
Have to think Michigan would be an attractive job for any OC. They are bringing in the #1 QB and player overall in the 2025 class and have their NIL money cannon all lined up to fire mountains of cash at a QB in the portal as well.
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I wonder if there has ever been a beloved assistant who rode the coattails of his predecessor, and then cemented it by beating his primary rival en route to a crappy bowl in his first year on the job...
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2NGJAE5/michigan-state-head-coach-bobby-williams-gestures-during-first-half-action-against-florida-at-the-citrus-bowl-in-orlando-fla-saturday-jan-1-2000-ap-photosteve-helber-2NGJAE5.jpg)
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Names I’ve heard mentioned are Joe Moorehead at Akron and Dan Mullen formerly at Florida
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Moore very well could wind up not working out for Michigan like Bobby Williams didn't work out for MSU. Only time will tell, one can't predict the future.
Moore was basically stuck with a pile of shit at QB and OC. The Natty run which went into the middle of January plus Jeem's timing in taking his NFL job and then by the time the school finally officially gave Moore the job it made it basically impossible for Moore to get a portal QB and have a real search for an OC.
Michigan was at 5-5 and teetering and it really could've went south and snowballed, but Moore just kept chugging along, they blew out Northwestern then went on the road and beat the #2 team in the country as 3 TD dogs, and he went and secured the #1 QB and player in the nation for the 2025 class, they are going to get another QB and be very active in the portal, and if he nails this OC hire they are right back in business.
The game is won in the trenches, and Michigan's OL class in 2024 was top notch and their 2025 class is going to be as well- especially if they flip 5* OT Ty Haywood. 2024 will probably be the weakest OL they'll have under Moore, they should have great OL's going forward with Moore at the helm and at this point I just kind of assume they'll always have great DL's as well- ever since Jeem got there in 2015 they've been sending out truckloads of 1st-3rd NFL draft picks at EDGE, DE, DT.
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Names I’ve heard mentioned are Joe Moorehead at Akron and Dan Mullen formerly at Florida
I'd take either of those in a second. Massive upgrades over friggin Kirk Campbell.
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first portal causality
https://twitter.com/tylermorris2503/status/1864064882049425772
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Sherrone Moore fires OC Kirk Campbell. Campbell has been a shit sandwich the last 3 years as QB coach/Pass Game Co-Ordinator and full-time OC this year. Good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Get. The. Fuck. Out.
He was always a terrible unqualified hire
Now go explain this to Bjork about softie,help a pal out, will ya?
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God not Morehead
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God not Morehead
Thats how that Oracle guy wound up paying $15 million for a QB for a program he doesnt care about
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Thats how that Oracle guy wound up paying $15 million for a QB for a program he doesnt care about
Lol that's actually really funny. Having said that, $15 million to a guy worth over $245 billion is relative peanuts.
Also...the # is not $15 million. WSJ did an article on it, Underwood's Dad says the number is nowhere near reported and basically on par with what LSU was offering. And the money isn't all coming from the Ellison's, there are other donors/sources invovled. Oh and previously when Jeem was 'crootin' Underwood Michigan wasn't offering shit in terms of NIL- and oh yeah not to mention Jeem and Underwood's HS coach were in a literal blood feud with one another.
And the hilarious thing in this bullshit "OMG 10.5...not 12...no 15 MILLION" narrative everyone seems to be forgetting....LSU was throwing truckloads of NIL money at Underwood- which is in large part why they got him to commit in the first place. Unfortunately for LSU's broke ass....Michigan just has a lot bigger pockets behind them.
I personally LOVE the NIL. These fuckfaces in the SEC were paying for players under the table for decades and Michigan wouldn't get their hands dirty in that mud. Well, now it's all legal and above board and those southern hick swamp fucks got zero shot in a bidding war if Michigan aims the money cannon at a kid they truly want.
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Ive said all along, Im fine with paying for recruits. however, people want to spend their money, good for the players. I just hate it to build teams out of the portal, particularly for basketball where you can just bring a whole new roster year to year. At that point, what are you even rooting for as a fan?
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Ive said all along, Im fine with paying for recruits. however, people want to spend their money, good for the players. I just hate it to build teams out of the portal, particularly for basketball where you can just bring a whole new roster year to year. At that point, what are you even rooting for as a fan?
I quit watching college basketball a long time ago because all the top HS player were either going right to the NBA or were one and done. It got to the point of why watch when all the best talent isn't even there or if it is there it's there for a cup of coffee.
As for the portal, I agree 100%. THAT is the problem right now with the sport. With rev share coming hopefully they can sign contracts with schools which binds them to the program and if they want to leave they have to sit out a year. You can't just have players leaving willy nilly like they are now. Some of these bozos are portaling every god damn off-season and that one kid from Iowa signed with Bama then portaled to Iowa then portaled back to Bama. It's like....what the fuck are you doing kid? What the fuck is going on here? Where are the adults in the room?
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speaking of the portal.....the QB that I think Michigan should go after is former USC QB Miller Moss. Moss is a pure pocket passer who wasn't really a great fit for Lincoln Riley's system which kind of requires it's QB to be mobile. USC also had a pretty awful OL.
Michigan's OL should be much improved in '25 and Moss would be a great fit as a game manager, hand the ball off, hit the short passes, and then play-action off the run for the downfield shots. He'd be a Cade McNamara 2.0 and they could sprinkle in Underwood as a true frosh and ease him into it like they did JJ in '21. Feel like he's a perfect 1 year stop the QB bleeding gap bridge to Underwood.
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speaking of the portal.....the QB that I think Michigan should go after is former USC QB Miller Moss. Moss is a pure pocket passer who wasn't really a great fit for Lincoln Riley's system which kind of requires it's QB to be mobile. USC also had a pretty awful OL.
That was the speculation like a month ago, even before the Underwood news
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Michigan RB Tavierre Dunlap to the portal. Part of the 2021 class, redshirted and has one year of eligibility left. Makes sense, he has about 20 career carries. Never saw the field at Michigan and probably wasn't going to next year either with Jordan Marshall looking like the guy at RB in '25.
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Free safety Rod Moore apparently returning for 2025 season. Wow. That's pretty huge news for Michigan's secondary. Moore is a definite 2nd or 3rd rd pick in this upcoming draft I would think. Provided the medicals were all good and he tested well at the combine. Some rumblings that NT Kenneth Grant could possibly return as well.
DT Mason Graham and CB Will Johnson both obviously gone to the top 10 overall picks of the upcoming NFL draft.
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Free safety Rod Moore apparently returning for 2025 season. Wow. That's pretty huge news for Michigan's secondary.
pretty surprised to be honest. definitely good news. Seems to be a good news week.. and possibly a very good news day.
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Ive said all along, Im fine with paying for recruits. however, people want to spend their money, good for the players. I just hate it to build teams out of the portal, particularly for basketball where you can just bring a whole new roster year to year. At that point, what are you even rooting for as a fan?
Good for the players; bad for the sport.
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Ive said all along, Im fine with paying for recruits. however, people want to spend their money, good for the players. I just hate it to build teams out of the portal, particularly for basketball where you can just bring a whole new roster year to year. At that point, what are you even rooting for as a fan?
This has been the elite basketball schools for a while anyways.. especially a Duke... or Kentucky.. recruit the top 10-15 players out of high school...they'll stay one year, go to the NBA and get paid and reload the same way the following year.
I believe we talked about this topic earlier this year and you suggested a great idea, specifically for basketball of locking guys in for X amount of time if they transferred or had NIL deal at a school. I don't remember the details exactly, but I truly missed the CBB days where guys had to stay 3 years. It was a great game and league at that point. The NBA has been trash for a long time so I wish college would take the opportunity to refine their game so it's a powerhouse product.
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This has been the elite basketball schools for a while anyways.. especially a Duke... or Kentucky.. recruit the top 10-15 players out of high school...they'll stay one year, go to the NBA and get paid and reload the same way the following year.
It was a couple programs that did that. But with the portal now, teams bring in whole new rosters of 21 year olds. It also kind of ruins the NCAA tournament heroes. Steph Curry is probably at Duke after a year. Power schools just build a whole new roster year to year out of the portal.
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I personally LOVE the NIL. These fuckfaces in the SEC were paying for players under the table for decades and Michigan wouldn't get their hands dirty in that mud. Well, now it's all legal and above board and those southern hick swamp fucks got zero shot in a bidding war if Michigan aims the money cannon at a kid they truly want.
You seem like a lovely guy who really knows his stuff.
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You seem like a lovely guy who really knows his stuff.
Thanks. I am.
NIL is changing the landscape. LSU and most of the SEC teams are about to fall off the face of the earth now that they can't give HS players $100k in cash in McDonald's bags. They simply do not have the kind of money backing them that schools like Texas, USC, Ohio State, Michigan, etc., have. Jai Eugene says what's up. Payback is a bitch.
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It was a couple programs that did that. But with the portal now, teams bring in whole new rosters of 21 year olds. It also kind of ruins the NCAA tournament heroes. Steph Curry is probably at Duke after a year. Power schools just build a whole new roster year to year out of the portal.
I'll admit, I follow NIL very little and basically zero percent of the time with basketball. How common is that type of situation happening? I an see it being flexible when coaching changes happen, but I hope it doesn't become a rotational event as you're describing.. yet it likely will
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Thanks. I am.
NIL is changing the landscape. LSU and most of the SEC teams are about to fall off the face of the earth now that they can't give HS players $100k in cash in McDonald's bags. They simply do not have the kind of money backing them that schools like Texas, USC, Ohio State, Michigan, etc., have. Jai Eugene says what's up. Payback is a bitch.
In some posts you claim Michigan offered Underwood no more than LSU, presumably to show that Michigan is just more attractive regardless of money. In other posts LSU lost because they can't compete with Michigan's $.
It's got to be one or the other.
btw.....this doesn't really have anything to do with anything talked about here. This was imminently foreseeable. If you go back far enough somewhere on this board, a little over a year ago when you were moaning about losing Underwood to LSU, I told you I wouldn't put any stock in it, a year was a long time and recruits in his situation flip all the time.....probably most of the time in the years I tracked LSU recruiting. The exceptions for LSU hanging on to highly-rated kids not from Louisiana are kids from Texas and Florida. When I see a highly-rated kid from way up North commit with more than a year to think about it.....yeah, this isn't the first time we've seen this movie.
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What is your obsession with Jai Eugene anyway? A kid from 15 years ago who never did squat in college. It boggles the mind you're obsessed with losing him. He did squat at LSU, he would've done squat at Michigan.
And it was one kid.
15 years ago.
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pretty surprised to be honest. definitely good news. Seems to be a good news week.. and possibly a very good news day.
very surprising and great news. they need to throw an NIL money cannon at Kenneth Grant and Derrick Moore to keep them around and out of the NFL draft. I would think LB's Jaishawn Barham & Ernest Hausmann and DT Rayshaun Benny would be back for their final year of eligibility but who knows with these things these days. If they can somehow manage to keep all those guys put the defense will be excellent again in 2025.
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I'll admit, I follow NIL very little and basically zero percent of the time with basketball. How common is that type of situation happening? I an see it being flexible when coaching changes happen, but I hope it doesn't become a rotational event as you're describing.. yet it likely will
It's pretty across the board, except with some of the more older school coaches. MSU doesn't, but not doing it hasn't been particularly successful. Like I said, Purdue seems to only school succeeding without doing it. To a lesser extent Gonzaga
Michigan's entire starting lineup last night was transfers. The two best teams in the country, Kansas and Auburn, start 3 and 4 transfers respectively
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that's a lot of EE's getting bowl practices. love it.
https://twitter.com/anthonytbroome/status/1864412708197552501
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that's a lot of EE's getting bowl practices. love it.
https://twitter.com/anthonytbroome/status/1864412708197552501
Play em all, as long as they aren't going to get killed on the field. Won't burn a year
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Play em all, as long as they aren't going to get killed on the field. Won't burn a year
can you play EE's in bowl games? I thought the rule was they were only allowed to practice not participate in the games.
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Michigan fans care about following rules now?
2024 sure is a weird year...
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Michigan fans care about following rules now?
2024 sure is a weird year...
good one.
Michigan just beat Ohio State. Seems like any other normal year to me.
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good one.
Michigan just beat Ohio State. Seems like any other normal year to me.
Indiana (11-1) will never seem normal to me. Hopefully it never happens again.
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Amen
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Indiana (11-1) will never seem normal to me. Hopefully it never happens again.
should be 10-2...Sherrone Moore beefed that one.
I doubt Indiana is ever going to have that kind of season in football again any time soon. Stars aligned for them.
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depends on if they can reload in the portal like last season
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How many X can you poach James Madison?
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can you play EE's in bowl games? I thought the rule was they were only allowed to practice not participate in the games.
I believe so, unless they changed the rules. I thought Kayvon Thibidoux played in the Redbox Bowl for Oregon against MSU
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good one.
Michigan just beat Ohio State. Seems like any other normal year to me.
so you can count to 4 that's one more than the clips Uzi Smith was carrying with him
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My brain keeps going back to this topic. Why didn't Michigan do more with Alex Orji? Not more plays, but more complex plays. After he was no longer the started, the only time he was in the game, was a direct snap qb sneak. Why did we never see him in there with Warren or Tuttle on an option? Any plays involved with him with misdirection? Any reverses? Any circumstances with him lining up at wide receiver? The kid had talent and while I understand Michigan wants to win in the trenches, but they probably cost themselves a couple games with absolutely zero creativity. If Orji was in, it was 100% a run. If it was first down, it was a run.. and probably 85% of the time running on first and second down. I like smashmouth old school big 10 football, but you also can't be a creative mental midget either.
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My brain keeps going back to this topic. Why didn't Michigan do more with Alex Orji? Not more plays, but more complex plays. After he was no longer the started, the only time he was in the game, was a direct snap qb sneak. Why did we never see him in there with Warren or Tuttle on an option? Any plays involved with him with misdirection? Any reverses? Any circumstances with him lining up at wide receiver? The kid had talent and while I understand Michigan wants to win in the trenches, but they probably cost themselves a couple games with absolutely zero creativity. If Orji was in, it was 100% a run. If it was first down, it was a run.. and probably 85% of the time running on first and second down. I like smashmouth old school big 10 football, but you also can't be a creative mental midget either.
BC Orji's running is a bit overrated imo and his passing is obviously terrible. Orji is basically a slightly faster Tim Tebow as a runner but he can't even throw a lick. Orji doesn't have that instant acceleration like a Denard, his change of direction ain't that great, and his top end speed is kind of lacking for an elite QB runner....he's 4.6-ish on a good day maybe even slower...which is good for a QB that can actually throw. As a one trick running only QB? That's pretty meh.
My brain keeps going back to how bad were Jadyn Davis and Jayden Denegal in practice that they couldn't get snaps over Davis Warren, Alex Orji, or Jack Tuttle?
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depends on if they can reload in the portal like last season
Yeah but this year they're on the radar of the helmets. Lot more potential for losing your players to the portal when the helmets and NIL power programs are looking at you instead of past you.
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BC Orji's running is a bit overrated imo and his passing is obviously terrible. Orji is basically a slightly faster Tim Tebow as a runner but he can't even throw a lick. Orji doesn't have that instant acceleration like a Denard, his change of direction ain't that great, and his top end speed is kind of lacking for an elite QB runner....he's 4.6-ish on a good day maybe even slower...which is good for a QB that can actually throw. As a one trick running only QB? That's pretty meh.
First, if that were true, my point is even stronger and it makes ZERO sense to have a lack of creativity if you put him in.. if there's no creativity and that's true, why even put him on the field.
That being said, i think you need to do your homework my friend. Orji's 40 time was clocked at 4.34 this year. People seem to reference his 40 time from high school, which was 3 years ago. Who was clocked a 4.34 40 as a qb? Lamar Jackson.. So yeah, his running isn't overrated, his play calling was simply terrible. The best runners on the planet can only do so much when the defense knows exactly what's coming every time.
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First, if that were true, my point is even stronger and it makes ZERO sense to have a lack of creativity if you put him in.. if there's no creativity and that's true, why even put him on the field.
That being said, i think you need to do your homework my friend. Orji's 40 time was clocked at 4.34 this year. People seem to reference his 40 time from high school, which was 3 years ago. Who was clocked a 4.34 40 as a qb? Lamar Jackson.. So yeah, his running isn't overrated, his play calling was simply terrible. The best runners on the planet can only do so much when the defense knows exactly what's coming every time.
A) Kirk Campbell sucks. That’s why he was fired. Expecting any kind of creativity in the offense from him was asking for too much.
B) Yeah, idc what fake 40 times college teams throw out, Urbs used to say his entire roster ran 4.2’s….ain’t no way in hell Alex Orji runs a legit 4.34. Lamar Jackson and Vick are basically the only QB’s to run that fast- and Orji ain’t nowhere near the runner either of them were nor did he have the speed/juice those dudes have/had. Orji is not really that fast of a football player- he’s just fast-ish for a QB.
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might explain why he never saw a snap....his throwing motion/mechanics make Tim Tebow's look good by comparison.
https://twitter.com/troy_doseck/status/1865135745062580284
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might explain why he never saw a snap....his throwing motion/mechanics make Tim Tebow's look good by comparison.
https://twitter.com/troy_doseck/status/1865135745062580284
And yet this staff pursued him? Seems like they are chasing stars rather than talent
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I'm thinking this might be Michigan's new OC:
https://gbmwolverine.com/mac-head-coach-emerging-as-michigan-football-oc-candidate-01jeqaeq1q9x (https://gbmwolverine.com/mac-head-coach-emerging-as-michigan-football-oc-candidate-01jeqaeq1q9x)
Coach Moore needs to make a decision pretty soon. The portal clock is ticking.
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in a shock to no one, Mason Graham declares for NFL draft. Top 10 pick and perhaps the greatest defensive tackle I’ve ever seen at Michigan.
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And yet this staff pursued him? Seems like they are chasing stars rather than talent
Sherrone Moore is like the only dude left from said staff, but yeah Jeem & Matt Weiss & Kirk Campbell pursued Jadyn Davis heavily. They were the “QB coaches/guys/experts” and we’re all on board.
Davis was offered by everyone and was a top 100 overall recruit, so a lot of staffs pursued him.
Davis was insanely productive in high school and he has good arm strength. However his throwing mechanics are funky as all hell, he’s not athletic at all, and he’s a touch short at just over 6’. Also question his ability to pick things up- he enrolled early and was able to rep in bow practices, went through spring ball then a fall camp and he still couldn’t warrant even a hint of a shot to see the field despite the absolute dog shit Michigan trotted out at QB this year.
Davis was probably a case of a kid that peaked very early in his HS career and never grew physically nor developed proper throwing mechanics. Kid was 6’ and a very early 5* in the absurdly early 5* rankings these sites do and was offered by Bama in the 9th grade and then he just never grew physically and never bothered to clean up his throwing mechanics.
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Question for the Michigan fans who watch that team more closely than I do. I have to explain this so give me a few minutes here:
I track all B1G teams by how they did against their league opponents relative to the other eight teams that each opponent played. Michigan finished REALLY well on this metric:
- Last game they beat Ohio State by 3. That is #1 in the B1G and really, by a significant margin. Oregon beat tOSU by 1 but that was in Eugene so if you take HFA into account at 3 points, Michigan's 3 point win in Columbus is theoretically 8 points better than Oregon's 1 point win in Eugene.
- Second-to-last game they beat Northwestern by 44. Some would say that it is "only Northwestern" and Northwestern was bad but nobody else beat them this bad, not even close. Northwestern's next worst losses were by 26 (Iowa), 24 (tOSU), 20 (UWisc), and 19 (UWash).
- Third-to-last game they lost in Bloomington by 5. In a normal year that would be pathetic but this year that was second only to Ohio State (beat them by 23) and much better than the next best results (UWash and UMD lost to the Hoosiers by 14).
So that got me thinking that *maybe* Michigan improved a lot over the course of the season and I just didn't notice. But then I looked at all of their league games and that theory didn't really hold up. Here are all of their league games sequentially with how well Michigan performed relative to each opponents' other eight opponents:
- 3 vs USC
- 3 vs MN
- 7 vs UWash
- 8 vs IL
- 6 vs MSU
- 5 vs Ore
- 2 vs IU
- 1 vs NU
- 1 vs tOSU
So now I'm curious. Was there some reason that Michigan performed so dreadfully in that four game stretch from Washington on October 5 through Oregon on November 2?
To put this in perspective, in the first two and last three games Michigan was 4-1 and their average performance was #2 which is actually better than any of the teams in the league, for reference, the leaders were:
- 2.56 tOSU
- 3.11 Oregon
- 3.22 Penn State
- 3.33 Indiana
However, in the aforementioned four-game stretch they were terrible, going 1-3 with an average performance of 6.5 which is comparable to Northwestern and Maryland.
Everybody has good games and bad games but the chronology here makes me wonder if something was just wrong in that middle stretch.
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in a shock to no one, Mason Graham declares for NFL draft. Top 10 pick and perhaps the greatest defensive tackle I’ve ever seen at Michigan.
I Actually watched UM a couple times just to watch that kid. What a football player.
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https://twitter.com/patrick_mayhorn/status/1866650022902894792?t=1rC5WGppH46s4GpgG_KgEQ&s=19
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I Actually watched UM a couple times just to watch that kid. What a football player.
I mean I saw plenty of him in the UM-OSU game, because OSU's game plan was to just keep running directly into him
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https://twitter.com/patrick_mayhorn/status/1866650022902894792?t=1rC5WGppH46s4GpgG_KgEQ&s=19
He'd be a great hire...as a QB coach only. Although apparently Bryce has GM LeBron powers
https://twitter.com/trevormccue/status/1866638403049230702
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not sure on the hire but its giving me Al Borges vibes. they could've done so much better....
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huge news...Dominic Zvada announced his return for his senior year. awesome kicker.
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he got the contract he wanted
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he got the contract he wanted
good. that kicker might be the best in the country. pay that man whatever he wants.
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in a shock to absolutely no one, CB Will Johnson declares for the NFL draft.
yeah buddy, we knew that was coming when you quit the team halfway in the season to avoid injury/protect your body and prep for the draft.
top 10 overall pick lock imo.
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not sure on the hire but its giving me Al Borges vibes. they could've done so much better....
This is where I’m at. I think he’s solid at qb development, but I’m not sure he’s an OC. We’ll see.
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This is where I’m at. I think he’s solid at qb development, but I’m not sure he’s an OC. We’ll see.
yeah, in wait and see mode. feel like it was a panic hire to not miss out on portal targets....
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I'd also add...whatever one thinks about this hire....Kirk Campbell just flat out HAD to go and Lindsey's resume/experience/background and various different coaching stops/coaching roles are infinitely more impressive than Kirk Campbell who had basically none and was just handed the job first by Jeem then by Sherrone.
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College football is filled with moments where a hire that doesn’t look very good at all totally works out.
But that is not at all a good looking hire
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College football is filled with moments where a hire that doesn’t look very good at all totally works out.
But that is not at all a good looking hire
agreed. might wind up being a home run, but I doubt it. seems very meh. all things being equal still think he's a real upgrade over Kirk Fuckface Campbell.
At least the schedule gets way easier. In terms of OOC play I'll gladly swap out a playoff Texas team in Ann Arbor for @Oklahoma that's in a rebuild. There's no Oregon or Penn State on conference schedule and the conference road games are @Nebraska, @Sparty, @Maryland, @NW, and @USC which is in flux trying to rebuild after a 6-6 year and they get Wisconsin, Washington, & Ohio State all at home.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Geibpk5WIAE4Uy5?format=jpg&name=large)
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https://twitter.com/sbell021/status/1867980162090107066
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Donovan Edwards sitting out the bowl game. I'm assuming Mason Graham, Will Johnson, Colston Loveland, Kenneth Grant, and Kalel Mullings probably are as well. Yay bowl games!
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Jack Sawyer was a 5* and like the #1 DE and #5 player in his class.
Josiah Stewart also missed like 3-4 games, he's double digits easily if not for the injuries.
https://twitter.com/GoBlue_TACOS/status/1868400590876713130
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how bad was Michigan QB play this year? BAD.
https://twitter.com/NoFlagsFilm/status/1868655413144801395
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how bad was Michigan QB play this year? BAD.
https://twitter.com/NoFlagsFilm/status/1868655413144801395
and that's the 30 second version. Watching it for 3 hours per saturday was far more prone to someone wanting to rub their eyes and wonder how they went from watching JJ to this.
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and that's the 30 second version. Watching it for 3 hours per saturday was far more prone to someone wanting to rub their eyes and wonder how they went from watching JJ to this.
how? Jeem kept flirting with the NFL every off-season which lead to them not being able to really recruit fuck-all at QB to replace JJ in the '22 and '23 classes and then by the time the Natty run was over and Jeem took the Chargers job and Sherrone actually got the head coach job the portal was pretty much over with and they couldn't get a QB.
If Sherrone had the job earlier and they were able to go throw a bag at Cam Ward they are probably 10-2 and in the playoff right now because the defense was still very good and special teams were as well, the offense and QB play was just comically bad and it's not 1968 anymore, you can't win a lot throwing for 60 yards a game.
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How many of those A+ DLs are coming back and how many are gone/out of eligibility?
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How many of those A+ DLs are coming back and how many are gone/out of eligibility?
DT Mason Graham already declared and is off to the top 10 of the NFL draft. EDGE Josiah Stewart is out of eligibility and off to probably the late 1st or 2nd rd.
EDGE rushers TJ Guy & Derrick Moore are coming back for their SR years. DT Rayshaun Benny is coming back for his 5th year.
Still waiting on word from NT Kenneth Grant. Rumors circling that they are trying to put together a massive NIL package to get him back for his SR year and he's listening. They get him back that'd be a coup. He's not Mason Graham good but he's pretty fucking good.
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former Georgia LB RS Frosh Troy Bowles signs with Michigan from the porthole, he has 3 years of eligibility remaining. Troy Bowles was rated as the #80 player overall and #6 LB in the class of 2023. He is the son of Tampa Bay Bucs head coach Todd Bowles.
https://twitter.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1870529890203898357
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How many snaps did he get this season
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How many snaps did he get this season
don't think any, he redshirted this year, got snaps last year as a true frosh. idk if he had injuries, was in the dog house, or Jawjaw just fucking LOADED at LB (newsflash: they are) or a combo of those 3.
talented player who is only a RS Frosh and was a blue chip recruit out of HS with 3 years left, I'll take it. Michigan is returning Jaishawn Barham, Ernest Hausmann, and Jimmy Rolder at LB and bringing in Bowles and still going after their #1 LB portal target Khmori House from Washington who also just finished his freshman season and will have 3 years of eligibility remaining as well.
Gotta keep the defense stocked. Need to find some DT's in the porthole now...
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Dante Moore and CJ Carr were really, really good in-state QB prospects but Bryce Underwood was just on a completely different level in terms of raw physical talent and HS production. Generational talent. He was the one they couldn't miss on and had to do everything and anything to get- and they did. Was bitching on this board for 2-3 years about Jeem fucking the Underwood recruitment all up. Well, Sherrone fixed that.
BY FAR the best QB prospect to come out of the state in almost 30 years since Drew Henson in the 1998 class. can't ever remember being so hype for a player coming into Michigan since....Drew Henson. Last #1 overall player they signed was in 2016 with Rashan Gary but this is on an entirely different level considering Underwood is a hometown kid and plays QB.
I think the only QB in the porthole they could've signed that would've held him off was the kid from Washington State who signed with Oklahoma. VERY weak porthole QB class....anyone else besides that kid they sign would've been a bridge player who Bryce eventually takes over for at some point in the season imo.
https://twitter.com/BryceUnderwoo16/status/1870970627403698608
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Michigan lands Fresno State QB Mikey Keene in the porthole. Will be a 5th year senior. Not thrilled about it, was hoping for more but realistically I don't think very many QB's want to come and be a 1 year stop gap veteran "teach Bryce Underwood and get him ready to take your job" guy. Having said that he's LIGHT years better than what they had in Davis Warren and Alex Orji.
If Davis Warren stays this pushes him to 4th string kinda where he belongs....provided Jadyn Davis doesn't just bail after spring ball that is.
https://twitter.com/Hayesfawcett3/status/1871252011636973715
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Justice Haynes, 5* #1 RB from the 2023 class. Leaving BAMA, apparently has committed to Michigan out of the porthole.
Haynes & Marshall sounds like a law firm.
https://youtu.be/IoPb9_pVaik?si=UtI0QCN0vmKHcaD7
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Jadyn Davis says he's not going anywhere and is going to compete for that starting job in spring ball. Like the attitude but we'll see if he actually follows through....
First look of his main competition, 5* #1 player overall #1 QB Bryce Underwood at bowl practices...
Jadyn Davis looks like a HS kid next to Underwood which is crazy cause Underwood just graduated high school early like a couple weeks ago and is only 17. Underwood looks taller and nearly as big as Alex Orji- who is remaining with the team through the bowl even though he's in the porthole....and Alex Orji is a big mf and like 20 or 21....not 17.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yr8RInhvNQ
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I’m thinking Michigan may still take another portal QB with 1 year left at some point if that QB is highly talented.
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I’m thinking Michigan may still take another portal QB with 1 year left at some point if that QB is highly talented.
who else are they going to get right now? just don't see it. they actually might need one in the spring window because Jadyn Davis is done here imo. He'll compete in spring ball he says but he's long gone after spring imo. If Jadyn Davis couldn't get any run in that bowl game after enrolling early and participating in 15 bowl practices last year, all of spring ball practices, all of fall camp practices, then going through a full season and another 15 bowl practices....he ain't ever playing at Michigan. He must really really suck.
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Michigan schedule sets up nicely next year and the defense and special teams should still be rock solid.
OL should be a little bit better next year one would think, Jordan Marshall & Justice Haynes is going to be a really nice 1-2 RB duo, and can't see them being any worse at QB than they were this year after adding Mikey Keene in the porthole and of course signing the #1 QB and #1 player Bryce Underwood.
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Tre Williams is a MASSIVE pull from the portal, particularly considering how $$$ interior DL are going for
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Tre Williams is a MASSIVE pull from the portal, particularly considering how $$$ interior DL are going for
Michigan interior DL looked great vs Bama in the bowl game with Rayshaun Benny, Enow Etta, and Trey Pierce getting majority of the snaps. Adding Tre Williams & Damon Payne to that rotation really helps fill it out.
They are losing 3 DUDES on the DL in Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Josiah Stewart but the DL should still be pretty damn strong in 2025.
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Tre Williams is a MASSIVE pull from the portal, particularly considering how $$$ interior DL are going for
Whose side are you on Spartan,you whooring around with your weasel past?
He recorded 14 tackles, three for loss and two sacks in 14 games this season. Maybe sandbagging
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Whose side are you on Spartan,you whooring around with your weasel past?
He recorded 14 tackles, three for loss and two sacks in 14 games this season. Maybe sandbagging
The initial report I saw listed his career stats as his 2024 stats
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QB Davis Warren announces on Twitter he tore his ACL in the Bama game and will be returning to Michigan for his 5th and final year.
Don’t mind him back as the 3rd or 4th string QB. Doesn’t belong being a starter anywhere let alone a place like Michigan.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/michigan-football-misses-out-on-massive-ot-from-transfer-portal-to-unlikely-school/ar-AA1wZMPa?ocid=widgetonlockscreenwin10&cvid=b941
Michigan landed a big fish from the transfer portal on Saturday when the Wolverines secured a commitment from Clemson defensive tackle Tre Williams, but Michigan also lost two players that appeared to be locks.
UConn wide receiver Skyler Bell was the first to announce he wouldn't be coming to Ann Arbor and instead, he was staying with the Huskies. Following Bell's announcement, the massive Washington State offensive tackle Fa'alili Fa'amoe announced he would be signing with Wake Forest.
Fa'amoe checks in as the number 23 overall prospect in the 247Sports transfer rankings and the number two overall offensive tackle. He'll have one year of eligibility remaining.
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they didn’t need the OT in the portal, Evan Link is only a RS Frosh started every game at RT and turned it on in the back half of the season and looked legit.
Andrew Sprague is a true frosh- and honestly Sprague made his first start ever vs Bama at RT in the bowl game and was their best OL period on the field imo. Kid is going to be a superstar and 1st rd pick imo.
Missing out on the WR from UConn hurts. They NEED wide receivers. They could use that OT from WaState for sure- he’s a heckuva player and I say get all the OLs you can- but it’s not a pressing need like WR. They are hurting bad at WR.
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they didn’t need the OT in the portal, Evan Link is only a RS Frosh started every game at RT and turned it on in the back half of the season and looked legit.
Andrew Sprague is a true frosh- and honestly Sprague made his first start ever vs Bama at RT in the bowl game and was their best OL period on the field imo. Kid is going to be a superstar and 1st rd pick imo.
Missing out on the WR from UConn hurts. They NEED wide receivers. They could use that OT from WaState for sure- he’s a heckuva player and I say get all the OLs you can- but it’s not a pressing need like WR. They are hurting bad at WR.
It hurts me too. Would have loved to see him dropping passes in Ann Arbor.
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There's no telling what Michigan will look like come August other than better. I think more significant portal transactions are sure to happen after Spring practice.
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There's no telling what Michigan will look like come August other than better. I think more significant portal transactions are sure to happen after Spring practice.
well they have nowhere to go but get better at QB/offense. think OL will be good as long as Sherrone is in charge and they return most pieces there. RB's should be set with Justice Haynes & Jordan Marshall 1-2 punch. It just really doesn't get any worse than it just was this past season in terms of QB. How they won 8 games and closed the season with wins over Ohio State and Bama is still kind of beyond me. Moore coached his balls off to end the year and pulled off the biggest recruiting heist since they landed Drew Henson in 1998 over Florida State.
Mikey Keene is probably your Week 1 starter but Bryce Underwood will be starting by mid-season imo. He's just going to prove to be too talented and gifted to keep off the field imo and he's already ahead of the learning curve as he just had 15 bowl practices because he enrolled early and he'll have all of spring ball and fall camp to get get up to speed.
This kid is only 17 years old and won't be 18 until after the 2025 season starts...Alex Orji is like 21-22 and a grown ass man and Underwood is taller and nearly as big as him....Underwood is a physical freak of nature.
https://twitter.com/the_det_times/status/1872683898154713094
https://twitter.com/ByAZuniga/status/1872690259835928612
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FB/H-BACK Max Bredeson returning for his 5th and final year. That’s only good news for Michigan, he’s a tone setter, great locker room guy and an absolute beastly run blocker. Beyond glad he’s back.
Now just need free safety Rod Moore to announce he’s returning and I’ll be very happy.
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How they won 8 games and closed the season with wins over Ohio State and Bama is still kind of beyond me.
Add to it that Will Johnson didn't play to close the season adds even more reason it's shocking. The QB play alone is a reason they should have lost both games. The defense was simply that good.
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Add to it that Will Johnson didn't play to close the season adds even more reason it's shocking. The QB play alone is a reason they should have lost both games. The defense was simply that good.
true that. Will Johnson missed like 6-7 games. And he was their best receiving threat in the passing game- literally. Crazy to say but it's true. He scored more touchdowns with pick 6's than any wide receiver (Loveland is a TE- talking straight up WR) scored on offense this year. And he missed half the season and plays corner. Lmao. That's how disgustingly bad the QB play/WR play was.
By far their best target on offense- TE Colston Loveland was also banged up most of the year missed bunch of games.
Really kind of amazing they even went 8-5 and closed out with back to back wins over Ohio State and Bama. Shows you just how strong the defense, run blocking OL/run game, and special teams were. They should NOT have went 8-5 with that type of QB play and offense- should've been a 5-7 team.
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Gio El-Hadi returning for one final season. Very consistent guy. Reliable O-lineman will be nice considering the qb situation.
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where else was he gonna go? not a top draft prospect, yet.
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where else was he gonna go? not a top draft prospect, yet.
We now live in a universe where any and every player, on every team, outside of those without eligibility are a free agent at the end of every season
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We now live in a universe where any and every player, on every team, outside of those without eligibility are a free agent at the end of every season
ok this is true. but the NIL market for an above average let's say B- or B interior OL- not elite A or A+ interior OL- probably isn't that high. I think El-Hadi could make a jump in Year 2 of starting, but he's not exactly an elite player or high level draft prospect....yet.
DT Rayshaun Benny and LB Jaishawn Barham returning gets me going more. These guys both could have giant breakout years. The raw talent/ability is there and has really flashed for sure. These guys both could've gone pro and would've been drafted somewhere imo. They have the size/athletic traits for their positions the NFL drools over.
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All-B1G free safety Rod Moore is returning for his 5th year instead of going pro. That's pretty big news for Michigan's 2025 defense.
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Michigan apparently very close to adding another 5* OT in the 2025 class in Ty Haywood (#20 player overall, #4 OT) who just visited. 5* Andrew Balabola at LT + 5* Ty Haywood at RT protecting Bryce Underwood....sign me up for that.
Michigan not recruiting 4*, top 100 overall player DE/EDGE Zahir Mathis anymore. He was suppose to visit and they canceled his visit. Senior film sucked ass but he's 6'6 and athletic- hence the ranking.
Michigan also apparently in the hunt for OG Rocco Spindler- starter on ND's OL who just hit the portal. He's from the state of Michigan, was a top 60 overall player in the 2021 class and he'll be a 5th year SR who has started 23 games in his career at ND. I'd take him all day long to add depth to the OL.
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Hell ya and booger would approve and Rocco will land there unless someone ponies up more. Prolly wants to get even with the Buckeyes and figures this is his best shot to do so
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Rocco isn't landing for depth dollars
Rocco gonna get paid
Rhule has $$$ to spend
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Nakos, a college football insider for On3.com, reported, along with Steve Wiltfong, that Nebraska football is one of the teams “heavily involved” for Spinder, a 6-foot-5, 325-pounder who was a top-100 recruit coming out of high school.
Spindler is from Clarkston, Michigan. The Wolverines made a strong push for him coming out of high school, but Notre Dame won out. Spindler has started 23 career games for the Irish. That includes the final 13 of the 2024 season, although he wasn’t a starter coming out of fall camp.
Even so, Spindler was effective down the stretch and many expected him to be a starter next season for Notre Dame. The Fighting Irish weren’t expecting him to enter the portal.
Of course, landing his commitment won’t be easy. Fans want the Huskers to add offensive linemen and the coaching staff does too. The problem is that tons of other programs need O-line help too. According to Nakos, Indiana has received a visit from Spindler already. Pittsburgh, Virginia, and Michigan are also in the mix.
My gut tells me that Spindler ends up playing for a Big Ten school. Michigan makes sense, but Nebraska also has a starting job to offer and has been aggressive with NIL. Spindler would be an upgrade at guard and would allow Justin Evan-Jenkins to take over the center position for Ben Scott.
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Hope the 'Skers land him FF,good luck
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Pardon The Interruption yesterday evening:
“HAPPY 45TH BIRTHDAY, DREW HENSON! As time goes by Henson becomes more valuable as a trivia answer: Who’s the guy who forced Tom Brady into a part-time role as quarterback at Michigan? Henson and Brady were there for two years. In 1999 there were games where Henson and Brady split the first two quarters, then waited for Lloyd Carr to choose who would play the second half.”
“Henson was also a baseball player and after his junior year when Brady had already gone to the NFL, Henson signed a six year $17 million dollar contract with the Yankees as a third baseman. Ultimately Henson only played eight major league games. He went back to football and played nine games as a quarterback for Dallas and Detroit.”
Always wished Henson had stayed at Michigan for his Senior year.
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Kid and his dad were a**holes, and leveraged MLB or going to FSU to get more and more promises out of Lloyd
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Kid and his dad were a**holes, and leveraged MLB or going to FSU to get more and more promises out of Lloyd
100%, that is exactly what happened. although I will say I don't blame the kid as much as the dad- the dad was micromanaging psycopath meddling toxic stage dad.
Henson should've quit baseball and he should've redshirted his first year at Michigan- he was raw because he spent his off-seasons playing baseball and not fine tuning his QB/football skills. he was a great baseball prospect, but he was a generational QB prospect. his upside and talent in football was just on another level than his baseball upside/talent. you had to see him live in person to understand it. he was basically John Elway reincarnate- Andrew Luck before Andrew Luck- but more athletic with a bigger arm. he was truly a special talent- haven't seen a QB with his talent ever at Michigan before or since. JJ McCarthy was closest but still a good bit short. Hopefully Bryce Underwood will be at that level- he certainly seems to possess incredible talent- we'll see.
Henson took the upfront money and the Yankees fame & fortune instead of playing the long game with football. He'd have been a #1 overall NFL draft pick and had a long successful NFL career had he given up on baseball and stuck with football.
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Henson took the upfront money and the Yankees fame & fortune instead of playing the long game with football. He'd have been a #1 overall NFL draft pick and had a long successful NFL career had he given up on baseball and stuck with football.
Nurse Mdot's out again
Um,no that's a leep and alot of matter of fact fabricatioin that fits the yarn your spinning. Sure he had a 152 QBR,1st rd probably depending on his senior season. But Kurt Warner got off the matt at 27 as a walk on working in a Grocery store . Let's have a looksee @ 2000 season Anthony Thomas @ RB & Marquise Walker, David Terrel at WR,TE Jorrru along with the usual suspects on the O-line led by Jeff Backus & Steve Hutchinson both No 1 px & Mo Williams 2nd rd & sprinkled with others who went to the League. Michigan/Henson had weapons, the 2001 team had to re load somewhat and Henson chose to play baseball so 1st rd and prolly washes out 4-5-6 yrs later like a host of other that weren't dialed in like the 6th rounder that played with Drew in '98/'99
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Henson should've quit baseball and he should've redshirted his first year at Michigan- he was raw because he spent his off-seasons playing baseball and not fine tuning his QB/football skills.
To end that PTI segment on Drew Henson, Wilbon goes on to lament the loss of the two-sport pro athlete: “…which used to happen much much more. But adults, in a supervisory way, and the AAU, have killed that. When you have to play one sport now you can’t even discover who might be great at multiple sports.”
he was a great baseball prospect, but he was a generational QB prospect. his upside and talent in football was just on another level than his baseball upside/talent. you had to see him live in person to understand it. he was basically John Elway reincarnate- Andrew Luck before Andrew Luck- but more athletic with a bigger arm. he was truly a special talent- haven't seen a QB with his talent ever at Michigan before or since.
He'd have been a #1 overall NFL draft pick and had a long successful NFL career had he given up on baseball and stuck with football.
Through the years I’ve persistently heard this exact "would've/could've been" from Michigan fans close to the program, which is saying A LOT given Michigan's run of quarterback rooms. I don’t doubt it either. I thought Brady was very underrated coming out of Michigan, and thought Henson, watching them trade snaps in 1999, had more upside.
Going back to the Dad…
100%, that is exactly what happened. although I will say I don't blame the kid as much as the dad- the dad was micromanaging psycopath meddling toxic stage dad.
…will someone enlighten me more in regards to Mr Henson?
This happens more often than fans realize, whose helicoptering and lobbying usually remains relegated to “internet rumors” (like Kyle McCord’s Dad), and I’m always amazed that a parent of one kid on an eighty-five man roster thinks they can wield ultimatums over coaching staffs of programs worth upwards of $100M annually.
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those parents don't now any better, it worked for them in little league, Jr. high, and high school
why should college be any different?
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I don't blame the kid for grabbing big offers though because the minute he get's turf toe offers are pulled. And injuries are damn near quaranteed at some point better to have a cash settlement ahead of time then see how things shake out
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Nurse Mdot's out again
Um,no that's a leep and alot of matter of fact fabricatioin that fits the yarn your spinning. Sure he had a 152 QBR,1st rd probably depending on his senior season. But Kurt Warner got off the matt at 27 as a walk on working in a Grocery store . Let's have a looksee @ 2000 season Anthony Thomas @ RB & Marquise Walker, David Terrel at WR,TE Jorrru along with the usual suspects on the O-line led by Jeff Backus & Steve Hutchinson both No 1 px & Mo Williams 2nd rd & sprinkled with others who went to the League. Michigan/Henson had weapons, the 2001 team had to re load somewhat and Henson chose to play baseball so 1st rd and prolly washes out 4-5-6 yrs later like a host of other that weren't dialed in like the 6th rounder that played with Drew in '98/'99
yeah, except it's not a leap at all. Charley Casserly who was the GM of the Houston Texans has publicly said many times on record in print & interviews that he was going to draft Drew Henson #1 overall if Henson was in that 2002 draft.
And you can't compare skipping your senior season of college football and then taking 4 or 5 years completely away from the game to go and try to play in the MLB to Kurt Warner's situation. It's not an apples to apples comparison. Kurt Warner played out his college career and then spent time bouncing around in the NFL on practice squads before becoming a star in the Arena league. Warner had a lot more development at playing the game of football and the position of QB than Drew Henson ever did. Henson only started 10 games in his entire college career...one as a true sophomore and 9 as a true junior- then gave up his SR year of eligibility to go play in the MLB. I don't think there has ever been a success story of a guy that gave up playing football to go play in the MLB and then came back to football and give QB in the NFL a crack. Henson isn't the only guy that has tried that and failed. NFL QB is the hardest position to play in all of sports.
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reread your post, he would have been a senior in 2001 yet less than two yrs later he fell to the 6th round??? - gonna have to try harder. That just doesn't jibe with your postmortum scouting report of "he was a generational QB prospect. his upside and talent in football was just on another level than his baseball upside/talent. you had to see him live in person to understand it. he was basically John Elway reincarnate- Andrew Luck before Andrew Luck- but more athletic with a bigger arm. he was truly a special talent- haven't seen a QB with his talent ever at Michigan before or since" is just grist for the mill on off season MGOBOARD threads - he had a chance to come back after swinging and missing if he was all that he would have made it work - Sad but expected
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Just because? Must be nice to be chosen one
https://twitter.com/DavidHarns/status/1896948991654580545
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Must be nice.
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I've been to a few Friday games in Madison and it's brutal. A logistical nightmare. Madison is the capital city and people work Fridays in that capital. Parking? It's nuts.
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Just because? Must be nice to be chosen one
Idk? Michigan are like the Jews of CFB I guess? Got a great spy agency too and don't give a single f.
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ummm.....wtf....creepy isn't even the right word...
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1902788944514679193
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before the psycho Bucknutjobs go to "prAcTicE foOtAgE!".....
a) Weiss coached at Michigan for two seasons (2021 & 2022) before being fired- he's been alleged by the feds of hacking into computers and stealing info of college students since 2015.
b) per Detroit News (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/03/20/feds-indict-former-michigan-co-offensive-coordinator-matt-weiss/82570832007/) and the DOJ indictment....the sick fuck is being accused of targeting female students and hacking into their iclouds to steal [presumably] naked pictures and videos of them....
"The alleged criminal activity happened from 2015-23 and Weiss is accused of primarily targeting female college athletes, according to the indictment.
He researched the athletes and targeted them based on school affiliation, athletic history and physical characteristics, the indictment alleges.
"His goal was to obtain private photographs and videos never intended to be shared beyond intimate partners," the indictment reads.
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computer crimes like these leave pretty large evidence trails...so should be pretty easy to convict him and lock him for the rest of his life. dude is a sick fuck. Jeem has pretty fucking poor judgement of who he lets into his inner circle. would expect nothing less from an autistic weirdo with CTE though...
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Seems like the Feds have a better spy agency and those Ann Arbor Arisocrats are going to start giving a single f*** now 😜
Some of the comments across the Web
"Hey Connor, Jim, come look at this.."
Meanwhile over at Bucknuts......first, the natty and now this
lol...getcha popcorn ready
Heading over to MGo to find out how this is Ryan Day's brother's fault ...
Harbaugh had sleepovers with his recruits. Not one university official saw this as a red flag as to what was going on in that department?
Harbaugh hired a pedo, a pervert,cheaters and now a computer hacker on his staff. When you think things can’t get worse, michigan is like, hold my beer.
They're all gonna have to testify under oath.Think about that for a second.
And they let go Mike Hart for exactly what?
Those who stay will be indicted
Timing of this makes it really difficult for UM to claim victim when NCAA vacates their NC in a few weeks. Public opinion will not be sympathetic to the UM football program. Their credibility now shot.
UM found out about it in December of 2022, a couple weeks later he coached in the Playoffs for them.
And Michigan men told us it was just a cheeseburger
Hope his new cellmate is Jerry Sandusky
Cheaters, creeps and weirdos. The Harbaugh coaching tree.
Oh wow, are those dorks up north still scandaling!?
OSU fans have been claiming that he was accessing practice footage via hacking kinda seems like it's not very far fetched now.
glad to see the UM beat writers were all over this scandal amongst many others.
There is no chance an IT guy discovered these crimes on December 21st and didn’t alert his superiors at Michigan the same day, none.
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Michigan's Spring game will be played on Saturday April 19th. It will be aired on BTN a week later. Rumored reason for this is to limit any portal poaching.
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Mikey Keene and Davis Warren both have been out all spring and sounding like neither will be back on practice field until the fall. Already thought Bryce Underwood would eventually be the starter over either of them by like mid-season, but now I'm thinking he'll probably be the starter day one.
kid is only 17 years old and won't be 18 until after the start of the season and could technically be a 2026 recruit.
https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1900319865577365551
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Mikey Keene and Davis Warren both have been out all spring and sounding like neither will be back on practice field until the fall. Already thought Bryce Underwood would eventually be the starter over either of them by like mid-season, but now I'm thinking he'll probably be the starter day one.
kid is only 17 years old and won't be 18 until after the start of the season and could technically be a 2026 recruit.
https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1900319865577365551
haven't heard a UM QB compared to Cam Newton and Vince Young since Joe Milton
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haven't heard a UM QB compared to Cam Newton and Vince Young since Joe Milton
I get your point- Joe Milton was truly a physical specimen with a rocket launcher arm- but did not have the HS production or was rated anywhere nearly as high of a recruit as any of the three.
Vince Young and Bryce Underwood were unanimous #1 overall recruits in the nation in their respective classes and Cam was a 5* and top 25 overall player in his class. Joe Milton was ranked in the 200's overall in his class- and that ranking was basically based only off potential because of his prototypical size and silly arm strength- Milton didn't have the kind of game tape, HS production on the field, or standout performances in the camp/all-star HS game tour as the others.
Problem with Joe Milton was and always has been if you need him to throw a 5 yard slant he's going to throw a 70 yard rocket. Guy can't process or hit the broadside of a barn accurately.
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From a Michigan writer on 9/23/2020
With that stated, how does Milton stack up as a QB and which other passers could his skill set be compared to?
Size
At 6-5 and 243 pounds, Milton could line up as a tight end in many offenses without sacrificing much in the size department. He is certainly a big-bodied quarterback, but he carries the weight well and still shows spry movement when breaking out of the pocket.
Cam Newton has been a popular comparison for Milton over the offseason, and it's pretty on the mark from a measurables standpoint. NFL.com lists Newton at 6-5 and 245 pounds, so that's a pretty spot on reference point. Both quarterbacks have strong upper bodies and look virtually identical in pads.
One other player worth considering in this respect is Ben Roethlisberger. Both Milton and Big Ben are 6-5, and the latter tips the scales at 240 pounds, so that's another big quarterback that has found exceptional success in the pros. Roethlisberger uses his size well to shake off pass rushers in the pocket, and that's a trait that Milton has exhibited in the past too. Back in 2018, Milton was able to fight through a couple would-be sacks and scramble around the pocket against Rutgers a la Big Ben, though the play ultimately did end in a loss of yardage.
Passing Ability
For this category, the most apt comparison might be another young gunslinger who is taking the NFL by storm in Josh Allen.
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From a Michigan writer on 9/23/2020
With that stated, how does Milton stack up as a QB and which other passers could his skill set be compared to?
Size
At 6-5 and 243 pounds, Milton could line up as a tight end in many offenses without sacrificing much in the size department. He is certainly a big-bodied quarterback, but he carries the weight well and still shows spry movement when breaking out of the pocket.
Cam Newton has been a popular comparison for Milton over the offseason, and it's pretty on the mark from a measurables standpoint. NFL.com lists Newton at 6-5 and 245 pounds, so that's a pretty spot on reference point. Both quarterbacks have strong upper bodies and look virtually identical in pads.
One other player worth considering in this respect is Ben Roethlisberger. Both Milton and Big Ben are 6-5, and the latter tips the scales at 240 pounds, so that's another big quarterback that has found exceptional success in the pros. Roethlisberger uses his size well to shake off pass rushers in the pocket, and that's a trait that Milton has exhibited in the past too. Back in 2018, Milton was able to fight through a couple would-be sacks and scramble around the pocket against Rutgers a la Big Ben, though the play ultimately did end in a loss of yardage.
Passing Ability
For this category, the most apt comparison might be another young gunslinger who is taking the NFL by storm in Josh Allen.
hear what you're saying, but that was from a Michigan writer- not from anyone who does national HS recruit rankings- so naturally it's going to have some bias.
Milton definitely had comparable size and athletic traits to someone like Cam or Josh Allen- I mean the guy is/was a massive human being and can actually run around a little bit. Even comparable raw arm power in terms of rpms/pure arm strength. But arm strength doesn't mean a hill of beans for a QB if he can't process the game at a high level and if he can't throw an accurate catchable football with touch, timing, and anticipation. Joe Milton has never been able to do any of the above. If he had been able to he'd have been ranked as a top 10ish player in his class and as a 5* and he'd have been a very high first rd pick after 3-4 years of college.
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President Donald Trump refers to Michigan as 'that team up north' during Ohio State White House visit
https://www.on3.com/college/ohio-state-buckeyes/news/president-donald-trump-refers-to-michigan-as-that-team-up-north-during-ohio-state-white-house-visit/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJqfRdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHhuuf6bx7JX-_nrICpqJGgAFhkN87qkz_hElnd3DNPvIaY1Ntwzc8To96las_aem_P6LiedgQHDQibm--PUUp0Q (https://www.on3.com/college/ohio-state-buckeyes/news/president-donald-trump-refers-to-michigan-as-that-team-up-north-during-ohio-state-white-house-visit/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJqfRdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHhuuf6bx7JX-_nrICpqJGgAFhkN87qkz_hElnd3DNPvIaY1Ntwzc8To96las_aem_P6LiedgQHDQibm--PUUp0Q)
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https://twitter.com/Carter_Buckeye/status/1911878188571263103
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https://twitter.com/Carter_Buckeye/status/1911878188571263103
figured Ryan Day's first EO would be free jet black beard dye for everyone 40 and up.
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Bussin With The Boys in Ann Arbor for their spring ball campus tour.
Taylor Lewan is 6'7", Bryce is all of 6'4+ maybe 6'5. Looks like they got him on that weight gain program. he's listed on their roster at 208, needs to be about 235 by the time fall hits and the season starts. bulk up young man, bulk up. crazy that he's only 17 years old....freak.
Jadyn Davis is kinda tiny. There is no way he's a legit 6'1. 5'11 probably more accurate. Doesn't look that much bigger than Corum who is 5'8.
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Will Compton!
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Will Compton!
all 5 of those guys in that pic played a game where they had to the throw football and hit the crossbar of the goal post. Will Compton won the contest. maybe Moore should get an NIL package together and sign Will Compton to play QB.
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kid just has a howitzer and throws lasers....kid is physically gifted beyond his years at only 17. scary to think what he could become at 20-21 if he develops.
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Braelon Allen at 17:
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only real video that's been released so far of Bryce in the spring game. obviously spring game means nothing, but just looking at some of the throws and him running around....yeah....see why he was the #1 player in the country.
kid is a freak. size, arm talent, arm strength, athleticism. check, check, check, check.
feel pretty safe saying the kid could've skipped his senior year of HS and started last year at Michigan as a 16 year old (he's 17 right now) - flat out as a 16 year old he would've been better than anything they had on the roster last year- that's how shitty their QB's were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqX9yOqEJVM
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I'm not buying into the Underwood hype just yet. Michigan has had it's share of QBs with a big arm that couldn't hit a moving dump truck at 40 yards. On the positive side, I'm thinking Michigan's OL will not be the dumpster fire it was at the start of last season. A solid OL and RB will help a young QB greatly.
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I'm not buying into the Underwood hype just yet. Michigan has had it's share of QBs with a big arm that couldn't hit a moving dump truck at 40 yards. On the positive side, I'm thinking Michigan's OL will not be the dumpster fire it was at the start of last season. A solid OL and RB will help a young QB greatly.
well as long as I've been watching them- Michigan honestly hasn't had that many QB's with straight up rocket launchers. Drew Henson, Ryan Mallett, Joe Milton, and then to a lesser degree JJ and Chad Henne.
Henson was great- but for only about 10 starts- his career was too short but he was a DUDE. Mallett stayed in Ann Arbor for a cup of coffee as a true frosh, and Joe Milton was ass. But Joe Milton was not rated like all the others- something I've pointed out time and time again. He was rated in the 240's overall and that rating was 100% projection based on his physical tools. He never had the HS production or refinement/polish to match the physical tools and warrant a super high recruit ranking. The others? Henson was basically a #1 overall HS recruit before the internet recruit ranking era, Mallett was a top 5 player overall in his class, JJ and Henne were both 5* top 25 overall players, and Bryce was a #1 overall player.
They don't need Bryce Underwood to be Superman. They just need him to be better than the absolute trash they had playing QB last year. That's it. Michigan doesn't ask a lot of the QB and if they work in the read option stuff with his legs it'll keep defenses honest and help enhance their run game even more.
OL has the raw material to work with to be special- tons of talent there but it's young- might be a year away from being truly special- 2026 might be the year the OL really blossoms. RB duo of Justice Haynes and Jordan Marshall is going to be something special. Both those guys are DUDES.
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just watched the spring game. caveats apply. quick thoughts and reading too much into the spring game: defense should be really good. again. thought that before the game- this just kind of confirmed what I was thinking. they return a lot of talent and depth and the transfer DT's Tre Williams and Damon Payne both look the part. so does the Arkansas nickel transfer Metcalf- he really flashed to me. Rayshaun Benny is a DUDE at DT. Derrick Moore is a DUDE at EDGE. Dominic Nichols is coming at EDGE, can definitely see why Sherrone Moore was so geeked up about him last year as a true frosh. Cole Sullivan is coming at LB- but he'll fight for minutes because they have 3 guys that are legit starters with Hausmann, Rolder, and Barham and only 2 true LB spots. Shamari Earls the true frosh CB wearing #2 looks like a DUDE...getting Will Johnson vibes dare I say just from the way he looks out there and his size. All I can think is wait til Rod Moore gets back to QB that secondary. This defense is going to be lights out and SHOULD have the added advantage this year of having baseline functional QB play and not the absolute abortion it had last year with Davis Warren & Alex Orji.
they have 3 RB's that look legit. Haynes & Marshall are going to be co-starters and split reps but Micah Ka'apana is no slouch. great burst and speed. definitely see why Ben Hall hit the portal- he was never going to play here again. That TE/H-Back Jalen Hoffman was seriously impressive- might be a guy to watch this season- really like what he showed. Could be something- could be nothing- it's a spring game- but could be a someone to watch.
Donoven McCulley absolutely looks the part of WR1 but barely played- really flashed in the couple series he actually played and had some WOW plays. He's going to be their go to WR, hands down. It ain't close. Mikey Keene needs to get back ASAP because right now Bryce Underwood looks like the only playable QB they have. Jadyn Davis just ain't it. He's just too small and his arm is average at best and his throwing motion/wind up is HIDEOUS. Bryce showed serious flashes but also had some misreads, had some miscommunications with his WR's and made some poor decisions- and also had bunch of drops which affected his overall stats but man- he is massive, athletic, and TALENTED AS FUCK and only 17 years old. There is a clear night and day when comparing Bryce and Jadyn....one looks like they belong at this level already as a 17 year old true frosh- one doesn't as an about to be 20 year old sophomore. OL looked fine run blocking, had some issues pass blocking....but they drafted teams so there is no 1st or 2nd unit- they'll figure out the OL and be just fine imo. I trust Moore and tons of talent there.
Underwood will be the starter to open the season imo. And they'll be just fine with him- they don't need him to be superman they just need him to be better than the absolute horseshit they had last year and I believe he will be. They need to pick a starting 5 on OL and let it gel and work on pass pro. They NEED McCulley to be THE GUY at WR and they need Fred Moore to become a reliable #2 and they need Semaj Morgan to really bounce back and flash in the slot the way he did as a true frosh in '23. IF Sherrone gets the OL going and McCulley can be the guy and Moore & Morgan can be solid #2 and #3 options- they'll be fine imo. And they NEED Mikey Keene to come back healthy ASAP because they need a reliable backup to Bryce Underwood- and that ain't Jadyn Davis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIsAnw1pKTc
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NCAA issues Jesse Minter a one year show cause penalty and Steve Clinkscale a two year show cause penalty due to recruiting violations related to BurgerGate.
Oh no! Whatever will Jesse Minter do this year as one of the very top Defensive Co-Ordinators in the NFL and whatever will Steve Clinkscale do when he gets promoted to LA Chargers Co-DC after Jesse Minter gets an NFL head coaching job next year!
Way to go NCAA! You really showed 'em with these highly performative meaningless penalties! Way to go boys!
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I watched the Spring game over the weekend. Must say I was impressed with the 17 year old QB. Rookie mistakes for sure but he can throw the ball. It is going to be fun watching him in a real game where he can use his legs too.
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I watched the Spring game over the weekend. Must say I was impressed with the 17 year old QB. Rookie mistakes for sure but he can throw the ball. It is going to be fun watching him in a real game where he can use his legs too.
Agreed. The ball flies off his hand. He has a fucking cannon and was firing missiles. There were some bad drops from his WR’s but you also saw the raw come though- he overthrew a couple deep balls, had some miscommunications with his WRs, and he threw a pretty bad out that was late that could’ve been picked- but on the whole I thought he looked pretty impressive.
I wish Michigan did a 1’s vs 1’s spring game and not a draft, I’d really have liked to seen Bryce throwing to Donaven McCulley and having the first string OL blocking for him.
The interior OL should be set with experienced vets, the tackles are young but highly talented- Evan Link is a RS Soph, Blake Frazier & Andrew Sprague are just RS Frosh and 5*’s Andrew Balbola & Ty Haywood are true frosh could be some growing pains there.
Feel good about McCulley at WR but they really need other guys to step up. Fred Moore needs to finally put it all together and have a breakout season.