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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Hawkinole on December 01, 2024, 05:28:54 PM
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Big Ten referees have thrown out the rule book with pass interference. Referees Facing Backlash After Crucial Call Alters Michigan-Ohio State Game (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/referees-facing-backlash-after-crucial-call-alters-michigan-ohio-state-game/ar-AA1v2w26?ocid=BingNewsSerp)
I happen to agree with the first two calls in this article, but the third call in this series of videos mystifies me. It looks like offensive facemask by Jeremiah Smith. In the video you can see the ref is standing where he should be able to see the facemask being yanked.
In the Iowa - Nebraska game, T.J. Hall was flagged for pass interference when the only contact appeared to be a straight arm thrown by the Nebraska receiver to the grille of T. J. Hall.
Perhaps more plays should be open to video reviews, such as 15 yard penalties, or have higher officiating standards.
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Yeah Denzel Burke got called for one where it looked like the contact was him getting shoved. Pass interference is a tough call because the difference between great coverage and a foul can be razor thin.
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I feel that more PIs should be called
many times the defender is grabbing an arm or stretching jersey and nothing is called
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is what it is. todays rules WRs can’t be touched and they can do almost anything they want. it’s way worse in nfl.
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I feel that more PIs should be called
many times the defender is grabbing an arm or stretching jersey and nothing is called
This is true, especially in college. When they get beat on deep balls they are coached to just grab and make the refs call it because 15 is better than 50
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Essentially, they should call those more, but not call the ones where the coverage is great and the quarterback just makes a crappy throw
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The one where Jeremiah Smith grabbed the facemask was absurd. With a room full of buckeyes, their first reaction was “stop, he didn’t do that.” After the replay they changed the tone quickly.
The one we all agreed on was it was tough where he ran over the defender. I didn’t think it had a great angle on the replay.
It was pretty weird that osu didn’t have a penalty until 1:55 left in the game and their only two penalties were illegal substitution and offsetting unsportsmanlike. I prefer refs be less involved, but they didn’t commit a penalty basically the entire game?
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I feel that more PIs should be called
many times the defender is grabbing an arm or stretching jersey and nothing is called
WAY more offensive PI should be called, that's for sure. WRs get to assault DBs on the regular.
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hah, they were playin at home in the Big Ten
Iowa had one penalty friday night @ home
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Essentially, they should call those more, but not call the ones where the coverage is great and the quarterback just makes a crappy throw
It's not even necessarily a crappy throw-- now QBs intentionally underthrow a ball because they know the WR will either catch the ball or get a DPI call in his favor if he breaks off his route and initiates contact moving directly into the defender. It's complete bullshit.
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I feel that more PIs should be called
many times the defender is grabbing an arm or stretching jersey and nothing is called
More?
I think more offensive PIs should be called, but "catchable ball" seems to have disappeared
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More?
I think more offensive PIs should be called, but "catchable ball" seems to have disappeared
yes, if the defender is holding one arm down, it's PI
if the defender has a handful of jersey and stretching it? PI
just don't grab the WR with your mitts
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hah, they were playin at home in the Big Ten
Iowa had one penalty friday night @ home
Iowa has the lowest penalties per game in the nation at 2.6. Not sure that’s comparable. OSU in their actual competitive games against Indiana, Penn St and Oregon, they averaged 6 penalties per game.
so when there’s blatantly obvious penalties not called or going their way and the only two penalties called, one offsetting, one not possible to avoid, there’s a reason people are talking about it.
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we had the discussion regarding the conference protecting the top playoff teams
and as we know, Ohio st. is usually protected by the B1G
Iowa is a disciplined team and has a history of low penalties, but one PI the entire game?
Good for them
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we had the discussion regarding the conference protecting the top playoff teams
and as we know, Ohio st. is usually protected by the B1G
Iowa is a disciplined team and has a history of low penalties, but one PI the entire game?
Good for them
Iowa had one penalty against osu as well. Watching them, they seem to be a very disciplined team. Maybe the same can be said for OsU as they only had one against Iowa in return. It doesn’t change the fact that Jeremiah Smith definitely got away with a blatant penalty that went in his favor and possibly his touchdown as well. Now that also doesn’t change how stupid it was not to throw to him 10 times more. Apparently Kelly and Day forgot he existed on the 2nd half
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we had the discussion regarding the conference protecting the top playoff teams
and as we know, Ohio st. is usually protected by the B1G
OSU finished last in the entire country in penalties called on their opponents
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OSU finished last in the entire country in penalties called on their opponents
Wow!! Now that’s very interesting as well!!!Also backs that osu doesn’t get favoritism. Good stat Sam
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Wow!! Now that’s very interesting as well!!!Also backs that osu doesn’t get favoritism. Good stat Sam
May be a B1G thing, the bottom five are all Big Ten. PSU was 133 and Michigan 132.
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https://cfbstats.com/2024/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category14/sort01.html
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WAY more offensive PI should be called, that's for sure. WRs get to assault DBs on the regular.
this all day, but it won’t be because: touchdowns are sexy and gotta score points to keep the viewership numbers up.
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Their help for Northwestern didn't yield results.
Back to the drawing board.
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B1G is rigged for Maryland and Nebraska
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Interesting stat. No opposing OL holding has been called against A&M’s DL since September. In other words, none of our opponents have been called for holding in two months. Crazy. What are the odds of that? And before you ask there’s lots of videos floating around of us being held often in every game. I do not know how many times our OL has been called for holding in that same time span.
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Interesting stat. No opposing OL holding has been called against A&M’s DL since September. In other words, none of our opponents have been called for holding in two months. Crazy. What are the odds of that? And before you ask there’s lots of videos floating around of us being held often in every game. I do not know how many times our OL has been called for holding in that same time span.
Texas o-line was called for holding just last night. Your coach chose to decline it, since it was on the pick-6.
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Well, it’s still statistically improbable.
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doesn't count if it was declined
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I feel that more PIs should be called
many times the defender is grabbing an arm or stretching jersey and nothing is called
We wouldn't have gotten by with what goes on today playing receiver or DB, when we were kids playing football in the 1970s.
There are so many times receivers "create distance" by pushing off, or in the case of Jeremiah Smith, by yanking the opponent down by the facemask. And there is a lot of hand-checking going on that would not have been allowed 50-years ago. Incidental contact was allowed if the player is going for the ball when the incidental contact occurs, which is why the first video, in the article I originally posted, I thought that call was probably correct. The Michigan player wasn't playing the ball; he was playing the man. I think that one was a close call, because the receiver barreled into the DB who had the better position, arguably making it impossible for the DB to play the ball. It looked like the DB was facing the receiver, and catching the receiver with his arms, rather than going for the ball which is why I lean toward supporting the defensive pass interference call, but I would have been satisfied with a "no call" too.
It seems that receivers are trained (especially well at Ohio State) to create distance by pushing off and refs rarely call it. I am sick of it. There is a rule book. Enforce the rules.
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yup, it's a different game than even 20 years ago
a lot more contact is allowed today
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doesn't count if it was declined
I'd agree if the specific wording were "penalties assessed" but he said it hadn't been "called." That's not true. It was called last night, I saw it with mine own eyes. That the coaching staff chose to decline it doesn't mean it wasn't called.
Is it improbable for most of an entire season? I guess? I'd really need to see how many times it was called against the Ags' o-line in all of those same games, to assess whether or not it seemed like an anomaly.
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if more defensive PI are called then more Offensive PI's should be called too
it goes both ways
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I'd agree if the specific wording were "penalties assessed" but he said it hadn't been "called." That's not true. It was called last night, I saw it with mine own eyes. That the coaching staff chose to decline it doesn't mean it wasn't called.
Is it improbable for most of an entire season? I guess? I'd really need to see how many times it was called against the Ags' o-line in all of those same games, to assess whether or not it seemed like an anomaly.
I don’t really know how to look it up easy, but just off the top of my head, it just seems strangely improbable that our opponents have had essentially zero offensive holding penalties since the bowling green game back in the preseason.
I have no idea if our OL has been called for it either, or how many times other SEC teams have been called for it.
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we had the discussion regarding the conference protecting the top playoff teams
and as we know, Ohio st. is usually protected by the B1G
Iowa is a disciplined team and has a history of low penalties, but one PI the entire game?
Good for them
Guess who leads the entire FBS in least penalties called against their opponent?
Ohio State.
I thought the game was called pretty fairly. The only beef I have is the blatant holding on Mullings late run that wasn’t called- and it freed him even Klatt called it out. But I don’t get too worked about it. They could probably call holding on any play.
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I'd agree if the specific wording were "penalties assessed" but he said it hadn't been "called." That's not true. It was called last night, I saw it with mine own eyes. That the coaching staff chose to decline it doesn't mean it wasn't called.
Is it improbable for most of an entire season? I guess? I'd really need to see how many times it was called against the Ags' o-line in all of those same games, to assess whether or not it seemed like an anomaly.
it really wouldn't be that hard to keep more complete stats
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penalties overall might be down the past few seasons in an attempt to speed up the game and keep the fans engaged
gotta save time for those all important commercials
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I couldn't say whether or not penalties are down, but one thing I've noticed is that SEC refs don't spend nearly as much time huddled up discussing and/or reviewing calls, as B12 refs do. When they do feel the need to huddle up or review a call, it goes much quicker than it did in the B12.
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yup, it's a different game than even 20 years ago
a lot more contact is allowed today
this goes only one way. a lot more contact is allowed on the part of the WR. DB sneezes near a WR it's a flag. And it's bullshit. But it just is what it is. chicks dig the deep ball.
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Guess who leads the entire FBS in least penalties called against their opponent?
Ohio State.
I thought the game was called pretty fairly. The only beef I have is the blatant holding on Mullings late run that wasn’t called- and it freed him even Klatt called it out. But I don’t get too worked about it. They could probably call holding on any play.
There was a lot of holding penalties called. Quinten Johnson’s facemask holding Jeremiah Smith’s hand was one that helped me ensure there would be no beefs.
https://twitter.com/JJOneOfOne/status/1862912651417837936
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I learned something new: A statistic exists for "opponent's penalties."
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that's why I hang out here
I learn important stuff