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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: grillrat on December 01, 2024, 03:03:04 PM
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https://purduesports.com/news/2024/12/1/football-statement-from-purdue-athletics
Had to happen. Worst coach in Purdue history.
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Burn.It.To.The.Ground.
That's it.
Purdue has some talent. Not enough. But enough that they shouldn't go 1-11 in completely embarrassing fashion, with their sole win being a drubbing of a sub-.500 FCS team. Enough that their "best win" shouldn't be taking Illinois to overtime. Enough that the coach needs to be fired--which thankfully has already happened (https://www.hammerandrails.com/2024/12/1/24310106/pete-thamel-report-purdue-football-fires-head-coach-ryan-walters). Because you may not be a CFP team with Purdue's talent, but 1-11 is a coaching failure.
But that's not all. Purdue has to embrace NIL and the transfer portal in a way that I don't think they've even attempted. The juxtaposition against the Indiana Hoosiers, perennial doormat, is too much. This is a team that went from 3-9 last year to 11-1 based on the transfer portal, who curb-stomped the Boilers in a 66-0 drubbing that shows that Purdue needs a culture change.
In the old era of college football, Purdue and Indiana knew their place. You can't out-recruit helmets. The best you can hope for is to be the plucky underdog and fight for bowls. But bowls are worthless now and college football is all about the CFP. So it's put up or shut up time. You're either all in or you might as well not have a team--an idea that's been around Purdue too long, with a previous AD (Morgan Burke) suggesting Purdue wasn't going to join the arms race.
No. Screw that. Join the arms race and commit, or give up.
Because fans won't bother watching this crap. I was watching UT/A&M before the 2nd quarter of the Purdue game started yesterday.
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Beat you by literally 2 seconds. ;)
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66-0 to Indiana had to be the nail in the coffin. I thought he'd survive, but that's rough
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Beat you by literally 2 seconds. ;)
Stupid me waiting until after I did my workouts this morning :57:
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well, Indiana was pretty good
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66-0 good?
MSU and already fired their coaching staff, and Michigan was national title good last year, and it was 49-0. Indiana should NEVER be 66-0 better than Purdue
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Indiana should NEVER be 56-7 better than Nebraska
37 points better than MSU
but, here we are
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Indiana should NEVER be 56-7 better than Nebraska
37 points better than MSU
but, here we are
Correct, but Nebraska isn't judged by how they do against Indiana
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well, Indiana was pretty good
But that's the point. We all know Indiana played a Charmin schedule. We all know that they're gonna get smoked in the CFP.
But if the perennial doormat of the Big Ten can go from 3-9 one year to blowing out "big brother" Purdue (Purdue leads the Old Oaken Bucket series 77-43-6) in a 66-0 shutout the next, going 11-1 and getting a CFP berth... Well, that's a point that leads to staring into the mirror and making some changes.
Firing Walters was necessary, but not sufficient. A mere coaching change will not fix this. The program needs to examine its culture and commitment to winning, and act in ways that it has never needed to do before, to fix this.
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Correct, but Nebraska isn't judged by how they do against Indiana
I get the in-state thing, but,...........
if you're being judged by how you do against Indiana, there's no sense firing a coach that hasn't had 4 seasons
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I get the in-state thing, but,...........
if you're being judged by how you do against Indiana, there's no sense firing a coach that hasn't had 4 seasons
I agree, generally. Particularly because the whole program building thing is out the window. It's a year to year sport now. Not quite as much as college basketball, but enough that there is no such thing as program trajectory, and no more risk that another bad year just puts you farther behind the 8 ball in recruiting
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I get the in-state thing, but,...........
if you're being judged by how you do against Indiana, there's no sense firing a coach that hasn't had 4 seasons
Well, you're judged by more than that at Purdue. Like not giving up the worst loss in program history, and then beating your own new record in the same damn season.
But I think the new college football scenario isn't that you need to give a coach 3-4 seasons "to get his own guys". Prime and Cignetti have proven that it's not about recruiting HS kids. It's about recruiting portal free agents.
Walters hasn't proven he can coach up who he's got, and hasn't proven that he can pull from the transfer portal. Admittedly, the latter issue may be due to lack of NIL commitment... Which is why I say firing him is necessary but not sufficient.
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Well, you're judged by more than that at Purdue. Like not giving up the worst loss in program history, and then beating your own new record in the same damn season.
I'll agree with this
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they had no choice but to fire that clown.
Purdue needs an elite offensive mind/play-caller for his time to really be clicking. They were cooking with grease when they got Tiller and it really felt like they were starting to build something with Jeff Brohm before Mama came calling him home.
Ryan Walters was always a very questionable bad hire imo.
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In particular, this is the WORST offense I have ever seen at Purdue (and that's including the Hazel and Coletto years). The defense would often start the game decently, but with no offensive support at all, they would just get worn down and eventually start getting gassed / burned (not saying they were great, but the offense was the much bigger problem).
In particular, this is the weakest set of WR's Purdue has had in a decade.
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Walters was obviously in way over his head as a HC. He will probably rebound somewhere as a DC.
He walked into a losing situation though. Brohm stopped recruiting his last year and left a depleted roster when he left Purdue for his ugly ex girlfriend. Any good players Brohm didn't take with him were poached by teams in the portal (Scourton, etc).
Walters was hired late in the process and cobbled together a coaching staff where basically everyone was promoted from a lower position. Nobody had any real experience, including Walters. He then gets Graham Harrell at OC, who has experience, but a very underwhelming experience coming from WVU.
He then hit the portal and did what he could. On paper, Purdue scored some nice portal players, but Walters and crew were too disconnected to make anything meaningful happen on the field.
By year 2 he was losing the locker room. Rumors leaking out from former and current players on his arrogance and refusal to change things that aren't working.
His terrible defenses at Purdue being mind boggling since he was an ace at Illinois.
Then the rumors about Walters having an affair with his secretary came out. There was some speculation he would be fired for cause in October. I'm hearing he's in the process of his wife divorcing him.
By the end of the season this hire was a train wreck. Too much damage done to give him more time. And nobody was buying tickets or investing in Purdue football with Walters back next year.
Purdue really needs to stick with an offensive minded coach and throw the ball around. Keep the Cradle of Quarterbacks thing alive. It sells tickets and works well for them.
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When you lose 66-7 to fND and 66-0 to Ind, you're probably not going to make it at Purdue.
132-7 to your two rivals is... not good.
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Purdue coaching candidates: Paul Chryst, Dan Mullen, Tyson Helton among options to replace Ryan Walters - CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/purdue-coaching-candidates-paul-chryst-dan-mullen-tyson-helton-among-options-to-replace-ryan-walters/)
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I've heard this one floating around...
If Purdue was spotted 34 points at the beginning of every game, they would still only finish 6-6.
As already mentioned up thread, this was the worst Purdue offense we have ever seen. I think the defense could have been a little better if the offense wasn't so putrid, but the defense wasn't anywhere near good either.
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I doubt Purdue goes with someone that doesn't have HC experience.
Chryst, Mullen, and Helton would all be good hires for Purdue. I think Candle is underwhelming, and he has slipped a bit the last couple years.
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they should go Mullen. has HC experience and he'll have a QB and offense for sure.
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Moussa and Karlaftis have announced for the portal.
Ouch.
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I doubt Purdue goes with someone that doesn't have HC experience.
Chryst, Mullen, and Helton would all be good hires for Purdue. I think Candle is underwhelming, and he has slipped a bit the last couple years.
Chryst doesn't like the Portal or NIL.
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Chryst doesn't like the Portal or NIL.
He really wouldn't like it in today's climate then. I feel like it's accelerated a lot since 2022.
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Chryst doesn't like the Portal or NIL.
Chryst would be a terrible hire. Should be strictly an OC going forward and just stick to that.
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Need your OC/QB coach to recruit QB's. He wouldn't/couldn't. Look at the UW QB room for evidence.
He's fine as an analyst. Nothing more. That or NFL.
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He really wouldn't like it in today's climate then. I feel like it's accelerated a lot since 2022.
That's what got him fired in Madison. He was asked to change, and he said no.
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Moussa and Karlaftis have announced for the portal.
Ouch.
Karlaftis a legacy with his brother being a star. Now Thieneman--the third of his brothers who played safety at Purdue--announces for the portal.
IMHO this is bigger than a coaching problem. If it were just a coaching problem, I think the fact that the coach was getting canned would be a positive development.
Feels even more like this is a culture problem.
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Karlaftis a legacy with his brother being a star. Now Thieneman--the third of his brothers who played safety at Purdue--announces for the portal.
IMHO this is bigger than a coaching problem. If it were just a coaching problem, I think the fact that the coach was getting canned would be a positive development.
Feels even more like this is a culture problem.
how many more years they got left to play? I don't think I would begrudge a player leaving after the coach gets fired. Maybe they just don't want to go through a whole rebuild process again. Ryan Walters was suppose to be the rebuild...turns out he fucking sucks and Purdue is comically bad right now. Maybe they just want to have a chance to win games over the next year or two, get some NIL money, then go to the league.
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how many more years they got left to play? I don't think I would begrudge a player leaving after the coach gets fired. Maybe they just don't want to go through a whole rebuild process again. Ryan Walters was suppose to be the rebuild...turns out he fucking sucks and Purdue is comically bad right now. Maybe they just want to have a chance to win games over the next year or two, get some NIL money, then go to the league.
I don't begrudge the player. I begrudge the program that isn't clearly able to make a compelling case to keep them.
And these aren't players that are just in "get some NIL money, go to the league" territory like George Karlaftis. Both were mid-level 3 star recruits.
These guys might have NIL money as their only earning option, because their future football options might be kicking around an NFL practice squad for a year or two as UDFA and then going on to a "normal person" career.
If Purdue can't keep these guys, how can they hope to keep the guys who don't have family connections?
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I don't begrudge the player. I begrudge the program that isn't clearly able to make a compelling case to keep them.
And these aren't players that are just in "get some NIL money, go to the league" territory like George Karlaftis. Both were mid-level 3 star recruits.
These guys might have NIL money as their only earning option, because their future football options might be kicking around an NFL practice squad for a year or two as UDFA and then going on to a "normal person" career.
If Purdue can't keep these guys, how can they hope to keep the guys who don't have family connections?
Good point.
Purdue just made a very bad hire. And that'll set you back big-time when you whiff that bad on a coach. Walters was really just a shit sandwich. They would've been just fine right now if Louisville never came calling Brohm home. He's a heckuva coach. Need to find a guy with head coach experience that can really coach & develop QBs/offense.
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Purdue has called a team meeting for today. They likely have their new HC and were waiting until after the championship games to announce.
I'm hearing Barry Odom from UNLV (as well as Missouri).
I think that would be a good hire with a good OC, preferably Brennan Marion. Id also be fine with Tyson Helton (Western Kentucky HC) or Jon Sumrall (Tulane HC).
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Marion had been rumored to UW. Not going to happen.
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You Badgers have a 20 year winning streak against Purdue. Can't you just settle for that?
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That's fine I guess, but I was kinda hoping for Marion. Very intriguing. I guess they are getting Grimes from Kansas. Nothing officially announced yet.
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Marion runs an offense that would be killer at Wisconsin. His Go Go offense is pretty interesting to read about.
Purdue fans traditionally prefer pass heavy, but nobody will care if games are being won.
With today's transfer portal teams can flip rosters to make any system work within a year or 2.
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Looks like it's official.
Odom will be doing a press conference at Purdue on Tuesday.
I hope he got Marion to come along with him.
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Need a mobile QB. Maybe Odom can bring his roster and pull an Indiana.
Gonna be tough still.
(https://i.imgur.com/hkDrWJh.png)
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That's a lot better than the 2024 schedule
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Lots of chatter about Brennan Marion and Oklahoma State
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Lots of chatter about Brennan Marion and Oklahoma State
That would be an interesting path to say the least. I guess that program has minted a lot of ascending coordinators. But he does feel like a guy that you would want with a defensive head coach.
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Need a mobile QB. Maybe Odom can bring his roster and pull an Indiana.
Gonna be tough still.
(https://i.imgur.com/hkDrWJh.png)
four road games in a row, followed by five consecutive home games?
Who writes these things?
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four road games in a row, followed by five consecutive home games?
Who writes these things?
It appears they haven't set the dates for the B1G games yet, so I don't think that'll be the case. Purdue and Indiana usually end the season against each other obv as well...
I was going to say it was alphabetical, as the first three "at" games are listed alphabetically and then all 5 road games are listed alphabetically, but then they threw in another "at" game against Washington in at the end...
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It appears they haven't set the dates for the B1G games yet, so I don't think that'll be the case. Purdue and Indiana usually end the season against each other obv as well...
I was going to say it was alphabetical, as the first three "at" games are listed alphabetically and then all 5 road games are listed alphabetically, but then they threw in another "at" game against Washington in at the end...
Correct.