Headed out to Stadium Brewing with my wife for a date night dinner. Forgot entirely that Purdue had aLooking at the menu now - what are you getting?football teamgame tonight.
Looking at the menu now - what are you getting?She got her usual (Greek tacos). I went with jambalaya. Good stuff.
now at homeHuskers winning the Runza battle
ate some warmed up wings and taters with a Yuengling
watching hoops
She got her usual (Greek tacos). I went with jambalaya. Good stuff.So foreign food tailored to an American palate is bad, but tacos tailored to a Greek palate is A OK?
She got her usual (Greek tacos). I went with jambalaya. Good stuff.How was the jambalaya? When done even mildly right, that stuff is excellent. But so many places are terrible at it.
Any Vegas people? We are going out next weekend, haven't been since we got married many years ago. My discretionary income is much higher now, want to try some good places to eat, maybe some shows. Any can't miss things?
They recently opened the only White Castle in the west, in order to keep the Ohio crowd out of all of the other establishments.I'll save that for right before the flight home
I've never found a restaurant in Vegas I thought was both really good and really cheap, or even really good and moderately priced. Maybe back in the day ... now it just caters to tourists and high rollers. It's kind of the Gatlinburg of the west, complete with White Castle.
Of course, I couldn't find a really good restaurant in New Orleans either in three days.
I can usually find a place that is anywhere from "quite good" to "really good" to outstanding.
I'll probably fix EGGS over light on toast for my wife when she wakes up. If it warms up enough, we might go to the Persian restaurant that has an excellent brunch. Their lamb chops in particular are terrific. And their outside seating is above street level on a side street so it's quiet. My wife likes eggs a lot, for breakfast. She lobbies for that often.You're never moving on from this, are you?
They recently opened the only White Castle in the west, in order to keep the Ohio crowd out of all of the other establishments.There's like 3 in Phoenix.
There's like 3 in Phoenix.
I would pass on just about any other option in favor of In and Out. Last time I was in Dallas I went there twice in four daysThis is true. I've never been there so adding it to the list
Sadly I usually just get a Jet's pizza when I am in Vegas because it's delicious, and we don't have one here.Jets is good and I think the girls are wanting that today
I did manage to scrounge up a local Donatos hook up though.
Any Vegas people? We are going out next weekend, haven't been since we got married many years ago. My discretionary income is much higher now, want to try some good places to eat, maybe some shows. Any can't miss things?Try the stromboli at Four Kegs Sports Pub
Porterhouse, grilled asparagus and baked potatoes today. Blueberry pie for the finish.That's how ya do it!
Jesus. That's why PU is 1-9. Wide open. Dropped.1-10.
Try the stromboli at Four Kegs Sports PubNow that's a recommendation
best thing about the place is it's a neighborhood dive way off the strip
276 N Jones Blvd, Las Vegas, NV 89107
a Triple D place from way back in 2011 or 12
food is average at best
Wow, a couple of Ohioans singing praises for Michigan pizza. Who'd a thunk it?Jets is probably the best fast food pizza I've found. Coincidentally a lot of the big fast food pizza chains are from Michigan. Little Caesars, Dominos, Hungry Howies. Jets is by far the best of the bunch, the rest taste like card board.
I agree though, Jets is tasty.
I would pass on just about any other option in favor of In and Out. Last time I was in Dallas I went there twice in four daysbest fast food burger joint I've ever had....but the fries suck.
Generally the worst weekend to visit the grocery store. So many two timers and amateurs.I wanted to go early.
best fast food burger joint I've ever had....but the fries suck.Culver's is better, to me.
Jets is probably the best fast food pizza I've found. Coincidentally a lot of the big fast food pizza chains are from Michigan. Little Caesars, Dominos, Hungry Howies. Jets is by far the best of the bunch, the rest taste like card board.I do miss me some Buddies. My fav of all time. I try to get some when I go back to Michigan to visit family and friends- couple times a year.
Michigan has two exceptional pizza joints both in Detroit. The OG Buddy's on 6 mile and conant and Supino's in the Eastern Market. Not every Buddy's is good- there are so many of them now- but that OG in Detroit is always on point. Supino's was AMAZING then the owner got too big for his britches started doing other shit wasn't around and quality fell off and it sucked for awhile- then he started being there constantly running it all the time again and it made a comeback. Very good again but not quite what it used to be- when it was humming along it was top tier- rivaled even Lucali's in Brooklyn.
I would pass on just about any other option in favor of In and Out. Last time I was in Dallas I went there twice in four days
This is true. I've never been there so adding it to the listSam is the old Out -R -Inn still in C-Bus?Not to be confused with the chain - staggered out of there more than a few times in the early '80s visiting buds there
So foreign food tailored to an American palate is bad, but tacos tailored to a Greek palate is A OK?I don't generally have a problem with fusion cuisine, or with foreign cuisines that are tailored to an American palate.
What's your take on Cincy's Mexican Spaghetti over rice instead of noodles?
How was the jambalaya? When done even mildly right, that stuff is excellent. But so many places are terrible at it.
So I was relaxing with my wife yesterday, watching the NFL, and didn't get to see all of you disparaging In n Out. For shame!
Time for the defense of In n Out that you haven't heard. Because people talk about how "great" In n Out is, and then people get unrealistic expectations, expectations that it assuredly could never live up to.
So let's talk first about what In n Out isn't. It's not gourmet. It's not a steakhouse-style burger. It's not Five Guys. It's not designed to wow you, or do anything special. It won't cure cancer or ED, it won't cause the clouds to part and the heavens to open amidst choruses of angels. It's just a burger.
So when you compare In n Out to other burgers, you need to set the parameters of comparison. It's not comparable to a steakhouse or Five Guys burgers in the same way that New York pizza isn't really comparable to Chicago deep dish even though they are both called pizza, or how a roast beef deli sandwich isn't comparable to a french dip even though they are both thin-sliced roast beef served between bread.
The proper comparisons to In n Out are the Big Mac, the Whopper, the Wendy's burger, etc. Fast food. The thing that we all love to hate, because most fast food is just purely a vessel for filling our faces with cheap and moderately satisfying calories. Fat, carbs, and salt.
What do you typically notice about all of those fast food joints [In n Out the exception]? When you see the commercials, and then you get the food at the restaurant, they don't look the same. The ones with lettuce have wilted, nasty lettuce, sliced so thin that you aren't sure of its provision. If they have tomatoes, they're usually nasty. Minced onion that came from a bag of frozen crap. Buns that don't really taste like bread. They're just white and flavorless. Slices of the cheapest "cheese" they can order. And the burger meat is just a gray mass of crap. It doesn't taste like anything. And on a big mac, that "special sauce" tastes like colored mayonnaise. There's no flavor to be had.
It's here that you recognize why In n Out is so loved. In n Out is merely a very well-executed burger, loaded with fresh ingredients that taste how they look.
- The buns are brushed with butter and then crisped on the flat top. When you bite into the burger you can even taste the crispy bits on the inside surface of the bun.
- They use big pieces of actual lettuce. It's fresh and crisp, never wilted. You can feel the moisture still spilling out of it with each bite.
- The onions are big slices of onion, that again taste fresh and crisp. You can tell that onion was just sliced.
- The tomatoes are thick slices of tomato.
- The "cheese" is creamy and melted, and more substantial sized slices that your typical fast food. While it's still just American "cheese", it seems a lot more delicious than slices of Kraft.
- The patty itself is where I find a little bit of fault; they're small. It's why I always order a double-double instead of just a cheeseburger, because in a single it wouldn't balance. However the patties themselves, being small, give a lot of surface area ratio for a good char, and so the burger patty is delicious.
- The "special sauce" tastes more flavorful than what is on a Big Mac.
- And they have their customizations on their "secret" menu, all of which have their places.
And something about In n Out's quality control is so good that every time I eat there, it's ALWAYS done right. I've never pulled out of the drive through with a wrong order. Even when ordering off the "secret" menu, it's always right.
In n Out isn't some special life-changing experience. It's just a burger. A fast food burger, and priced as such. But it's the fast food burger that all others should aspire to be. It's just done right, and in a world where there's so much crap that looks like they're sacrificing quality to get an extra quarter-penny of margin, it's still just done right.
But yeah... The fries suck. I'm thinking of starting to order them "well done", i.e. double-fried, because they're not good. Usually if you eat AT the store, the fries are okay, but you have to eat them before you even pick up your burger because they go downhill fast. However, they are made with fresh potatoes, cut and fried on-demand, and don't come out of a frozen bag. So even though I don't particularly like them, it's not because they're skimping.
Our heat is off, it depends on water from the building, and apparently the "boiler" is out. We have hot water oddly enough which is also from the building. Anyway, our heat pumps can't pump heat from cold water. It's not terrible, yet, about 67°F downstairs.just broke the flannel out but not for 67°
In and Out sounds like a burger version of Chick Fil A, good service, pretty good sandwiches, nothing mind blowing except the service.that was my thought
Wife & I have our annual optometry appts this morning, then I'm going to the golf course. But about the time I get home she's headed up to a pie & wine thing for one of her good friend's birthday celebration.Coated in Buffalo Sauce. Serve with carrots, celery and blue cheese dressing.
So I'm on my own for dinner. Defrosting some wings today, but don't know what I'll put with them. May run through the market on the way home from the course and pick some sort of veggie that looks good.
All right let's see how long I can hold off drinking beer10am. Already had 2 beers
10am. Already had 2 beersGood man
best fast food burger joint I've ever had....but the fries suck.The fries are merely a vessel for the animal spread.
Utee called my "chili" Mexican spaghetti. There was a place in Chapel Hill that served chili over rice, I adopted the practice. I do put grated cheddar on top of it, so it is a bit like "Cincy chili", but it tastes a lot different, and it is red. Last night's was different because it included Brussel sprouts, or as I call them, "Shoes from Brussels".Isn’t Cincinnati chili Greek by origin? (I am driving and only read this page, so we may have already gone over this))
Usually my "chili" or whatever is a concoction of onion/garlic/ground beef sauteed with diced tomatoes added later with chili powder. I had some celery in it this time also, sometimes I'll add green Bell peppers. My wife does NOT like spicy foods, so I go easy on the powder. It's close to my spaghetti sauce.
Isn’t Cincinnati chili Greek by origin? (I am driving and only read this page, so we may have already gone over this))Greek bolonese sauce
White Castle is, well, what it is, we have Krystal down here modeled on the same concept.This is what I don't get. No one claims Krystal is good. Certain people love White Castle. It's the same damn thing. 85% bread called a slider.
How hilarious would it be if IU wins today? It would be like VandyFor some reason I wouldn't find it funnypulling an upsetwinning the conference!
So do we move Indiana to the F for, for Fraud?define fraud. who actually thought they were a serious contender? they were always just a good team with an easy schedule, not a true title contender like Ohio State.
Cute how Joel and Gus are still referring to this as a "top-5 matchup" as if Indiana was a legit top-5 team.They are legit. They are beating ohio state just ask HB
Where is coach Corso?Corso's idea looking pretty good now.
They should call Timeout and take a team photo under the scoreboard.
They are legit. They are beating ohio state just ask HBAnd this is why I don’t participate in our power rankings. People get so butt hurt.
And this is why I don’t participate in our power rankings. People get so butt hurt.Not butt hurt just don't understand how unreasonably pessimistic you are. Nothing wrong with being "concerned" but your pessimism is generally not "reasonable"
Not butt hurt just don't understand how unreasonably pessimistic you are. Nothing wrong with being "concerned" but your pessimism is generally not "reasonable"Well let’s see. I picked OSU every single week but 1. I even picked them on the road at Oregon.
Gator pick!
Not butt hurt just don't understand how unreasonably pessimistic you are. Nothing wrong with being "concerned" but your pessimism is generally not "reasonable"Yeah, just ribbing you.
Welp, we've eliminated 2 teams from the playoff.....Indiana owes the Gators a Christmas Card.
10am. Already had 2 beersis that all
is that allWorking on number 6
is that allhardly trying but at least giving it a shot
Kansas. Asu and minny all up earlyit's early
it's earlyAs i said it's early but 17-0 Kansas and 14-0 asu and just recovered an onside kick
I think low key, Arizona fans have had the worst fall. Not only are they disappointing, but ASU looks like they might be the best team in the Big 12I went to the game when they played miss state. They looked good but they were playing a terrible team. Did not expect them to loom so good since then.
Jesus Christ man Davis Warren is so bad. How terrible is Jadyn Davis in practice that he can't even get a shot to play over Warren?
What's going on in Lincoln?UW fumbled with 9 seconds left in the half, giving UNL 3 free points.
Ky just tied up txWell ky fell apart since then
What's going on in Lincoln?HAH!!!
How does the current duo compare to Nick Sheridan and Steven Threet?it’s pretty damn bad, but not even that bad imo. that was the worst I’ve ever seen.
Ryan Day finally got himself a top 5 win! Not vs his hated arch rival or vs SEC power houses Bama or Georgia, but the juggernaut that is Indiana.Actually he got that a few weeks back against PSU.
I kid, I kid Buckeye fans. Sort of. :)
Have to give Billy Napier major props. Dude probably saved his job these last two weeks with big-time back to back wins. DJ Lagway is pretty awesome, things look like they are taking a turn for Florida and future looks much brighter there.
Actually he got that a few weeks back against PSU.Shoot forgot about that. Guess I didn’t even think about it because I just expect Franklin to lose big games to Ohio State or Michigan, it’s just what he does.
PSU survivesleast impressive 10-1 top 4 ranked team ever?
Kansas takes down Coloradoyou mean Colorado isn't a legit playoff contender? who knew!
ASU rushed the field on BYU as the won the game.Asu coach blew this. They had the game and could have finished it out without this mess
Only... They didn't win the game. After review, there's 0:01 left.
Now trying to clear the field so they can run the final play.
What a goddamned mess.
ASU rushed the field on BYU as the won the game.https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1860474828769391042?t=Nsg-m63QIoT48le8W3jIuw&s=19
Only... They didn't win the game. After review, there's 0:01 left.
Now trying to clear the field so they can run the final play.
What a goddamned mess.
Watching our local 3A District in the state quarterfinals. They run sort of a wishbone variant, and the shitty local announcers keep calling it a wildcat. When it's the 4th quarter and you've thrown 2 passes, I don't think it's a trick play anymorelol, they must be young?
https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1860474828769391042?t=Nsg-m63QIoT48le8W3jIuw&s=19The west coast doesn't know how to football.
The west coast doesn't know how to football.I'm betarhoalphadelta, and I approve this message.
Anybody else see how Rutgers gotta Rutger? lolagreed!
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Also, Nebraska and Florida should play in the "Glad to be in a Bowl Again" Bowl. It should be played anywhere but Tempe, AZ.
you really need to stay off other boardsI'm not a masochist I stay off of Husker Board/Bugeaters
I'm not a masochist I stay off of Husker Board/Bugeatersyou're smarter than I thought
you probably wish you could remember anythingI remember winning seasons don't have to go back to 2016
sippin a Macallan 12 year old while tokin on an Oliva Serie V victory cigar on the back decknow wathcing volleyball
well, UNL's offensive isn't goodgot the calls
44 points
those Texas teams are OVERRATED
sippin a Macallan 12 year old while tokin on an Oliva Serie V victory cigar on the back deckyup, pretty good buzz
their other ladies team beat UW 44-25nothing to be proud of , Rusty
How did Notre Dame lose to Northern Illinois, which is now 6-5 after losing last night to Miami of Ohio, who lost 28-3 to Notre Dame?20 year olds, dude.
20 year olds, dude.somebody not coaching the teams up
Bammer down 24-3This is surprising, for sure.
This is surprising, for sure.sooners have pulse or just magic???
sooners have pulse or just magic???This is my thought as well....if I was an OU fan, I'd be pissed. They've slept-walked this season, from what I've seen, and choose NOW to play with their hair on fire?!?!?
They might have to leave the Big 12 out, and put Boise and Army both in.Um, not Army.
This is my thought as well....if I was an OU fan, I'd be pissed. They've slept-walked this season, from what I've seen, and choose NOW to play with their hair on fire?!?!?Nah, college football is now college basketball. Nobody is all that good anymore, and no helmet school is all that bad
Alabama getting screwed by the zebras? Has hell frozen over?
This is my thought as well....if I was an OU fan, I'd be pissed. They've slept-walked this season, from what I've seen, and choose NOW to play with their hair on fire?!?!?
UMass hung in with Georgia for far too long, OM loses, Bama loses, A&M may lose.......wow. The gods must love Indiana.If Indiana wasnt already in, then just cancel the season and use the recruiting composite rankings
If Indiana wasnt already in, then just cancel the season and use the recruiting composite rankingsThey have the resume of a mid-major who lost their only big-boy game. Every B1G and SEC 2-loss team should've been in over IU.
They have the resume of a mid-major who lost their only big-boy game. Every B1G and SEC 2-loss team should've been in over IU.Says a guy who hadnt looked at strength of record
There are just a lot fewer 2-loss teams now.
UMass hung in with Georgia for far too long, OM loses, Bama loses, A&M may lose.......wow. The gods must love Indiana.I don't know why this is, but UGA plays with its food to a truly impressive degree. Like when you look at their games against dog teams in recent years, there are some stretches of play that are shockingly low-grade.
Every time I think college football has found a new cringe an SEC team adds a stupid light showOh well then you must LOVE our flaming longhorn logo drone show!
Says a guy who hadnt looked at strength of recordThey've done a good job blowing out those unimpressive opponents, as a great team would....but it doesn't make IU a great team (not to move the goalpost).
Oh well then you must LOVE our flaming longhorn logo drone show!(Speaks quietly)
They've done a good job blowing out those unimpressive opponents, as a great team would....but it doesn't make IU a great team (not to move the goalpost).A&M. And they would've been like 1.5-2 point dogs to Tenn.
Which B1G and SEC teams with 2 or fewer losses would IU have been favored against, before today's results?
Any?
Air Force wins…..w zero pass yards.It is the way.
3 score game in LincolnNothing can be. Worst QB in the FBS.
It's up to Locke
(Speaks quietly)(https://i.imgur.com/pZS1XHh.png)
Drone shows are usually cool. And setting them on fire also seems cool.
husker volleyball WAYInjuries help UNL in that sport too.
better than the badgers
Nothing can be. Worst QB in the FBS.I don’t think he’s the worst quarterback in the conference?
I don’t think he’s the worst quarterback in the conference?Who in the conference is worse than him?
Granted, it’s not a high bar. In either case, I wish him well at his next school. i’m pretty resigned to him not looking good next week, but if he wants to surprise, I wouldn’t hold it against him.
wrong thread FF put the scotch down,but who is that wowBrooke Fletcher
Who in the conference is worse than him?wait a goldern minute
I'm jealous of the opposing QB in every game the Badgers play.
The QB room in Madison is very weak. They have this garbage QB, a true freshman and a walk on.So an actual student athlete,cut him some slack at least he aswered the call in a bad situation
So an actual student athlete,cut him some slack at least he aswered the call in a bad situationhah, spoken from a fan that ran off a QB last season and paid a kid that was starting for K-St
wait a goldern minuteYep.
badgers played Iowa a couple weeks ago
I was surprised by the offenses production in the Badger/Husker gameThe ones he missed were backbreakers. Gotta stay on the field to keep that defense from being exposed.
over 400 yards each and 44 points for UNL
but especially the QBs
20-30 292yds for Locke
293 for Dylan
B1G champ - 1well, USC is playing at home with a 2-game win streak
SEC champ - 2
ACC champ - 3
B12 champ - 4
is my guess, I have no clue which G5ish team gets the other slot. I hope USC can upset ND.
The ones he missed were backbreakers. Gotta stay on the field to keep that defense from being exposed.They’re inconsistent and frankly often soft.
I don't know how you can go from giving up 42 to F'ing Iowa, holding Oregon to 16 points, and then coughing up 44 to a mediocre UNL team.
How is that even possible?
Who in the conference is worse than him?The NW kid.
I'm jealous of the opposing QB in every game the Badgers play.
B1G champ - 1Boise is tops, with likely Tulane as the No. 2 option, assuming they beat Army (if they don’t and Boise loses, Army likely slots in)
SEC champ - 2
ACC champ - 3
B12 champ - 4
is my guess, I have no clue which G5ish team gets the other slot. I hope USC can upset ND.
hah, spoken from a fan that ran off a QB last season and paid a kid that was starting for K-StGonna have to troll harder FF - he got paid and demanded to start this season,um no,even daddy tried to get involved.Weak Sauce
Will did seem like an upgrade yesterday
Who in the conference is worse than him?Um, have you seen Michigan's QB's?
I'm jealous of the opposing QB in every game the Badgers play.
It's not as if the Sooners edged Bama in quadruple OT, they smacked them around 24-3, it was astounding.Sooners are kind of like Michigan, they've had a legit defense all season.....just god forsaken atrocious offense and QB play.
Never really bought the hype on him as a #1 overall draft pickSomeone on the planet earth suggested this?
Someone on the planet earth suggested this?yeah saw it on ESPN...maybe Kiper?
yeah saw it on ESPN...maybe Kiper?He must have Cincy-Corso disease.
All I've said about IU is that they'd have a much worse record w/ an SEC schedule. They're in the playoff. I don't think that's even a discussion.you are 100% correct. they had a very soft schedule. their OOC schedule was a joke they played basically all FCS crap. they got handled vs the one top ranked team they played- Ohio State, they avoided Oregon & Penn State, the other top ranked teams in the conference, and oh yeah they also avoided Illinois- the only other currently ranked B1G team outside of IU/OSU/Oregon/PSU. They probably should've lost at home to a crappy Michigan team if not for Sherrone Moore beefing it, and they also avoided USC, Iowa, and Minnesota...the not quite as bad as their records indicate pesky teams in the conference.
I also just happen to think it'll be a brief stay.
Hoosiers have a chance at the #5 seed if Oregon wins vs the BuckeyesThat would be epic, especially if #12 ended up beating them. I enjoy mayhem and crisis and disaster. So, you get only 3 SEC teams into the Dance, and the top rated B1G team goes down to a bottom seed. I get ahead of myself of course.
Not sure they'd have a worse record with Texas's scheduleI am.
I am.Why is that?
Why is that?Because I've watched both Texas and IU play this year, and I don't think IU would be winning the "close" games that Texas has. As has been stated, they look like a 15-20ish kind of team. Texas is much closer to Ohio State and Oregon, than to Indiana. And we saw what Ohio State did to them.
Because I've watched both Texas and IU play this year, and I don't think IU would be winning the "close" games that Texas has. As has been stated, they look like a 15-20ish kind of team. Texas is much closer to Ohio State and Oregon, than to Indiana. And we saw what Ohio State did to them.I guess but Texas has one win within single digits, which was at Vandy. The same number as Indiana.
Just my opinion of course, but I'm comfortable with it.
I guess but Texas has one win within single digits, which was at Vandy. The same number as Indiana.Before yesterday Texas' SOS was 38 and Indiana's was 104 or something. You can try to pretend they've played similar schedules but the stats don't support that.
Before yesterday Texas' SOS was 38 and Indiana's was 104 or something. You can try to pretend they've played similar schedules but the stats don't support that.After yesterday Texas was at 36 and Indiana was at 51, at least on ESPN. I'm not arguing Texas hasn't played a bit tougher schedule, but I don't think there is any argument that both teams have played one elite team and a bunch of also rans, with Texas's a bit better than Indiana's.
After yesterday Texas was at 36 and Indiana was at 51, at least on ESPN. I'm not arguing Texas hasn't played a bit tougher schedule, but I don't think there is any argument that both teams have played one elite team and a bunch of also rans, with Texas's a bit better than Indiana's.I mean, I can argue that Indiana would have lost a couple on Texas' schedule that Texas didn't lose. In fact that's exactly what I'm arguing.
I mean, I can argue that Indiana would have lost a couple on Texas' schedule that Texas didn't lose. In fact that's exactly what I'm arguing.Well, to put it differently, Indiana would be favored over every single Texas opponent besides Georgia. So by the numbers, Indiana and Texas would have the same record.
You can certainly disagree with that, but, you're not going to make a compelling argument to me.
Well, to put it differently, Indiana would be favored over every single Texas opponent besides Georgia. So by the numbers, Indiana and Texas would have the same record.
That's what happens when a team is overrated, they get favored in games they shouldn't be, and then they lose those games.You just don't have any numbers that support you.
What part of my stance do you not understand? I'll state it plainly-- I believe Texas is a significantly better team than Indiana. I believe Texas is as much better than Indiana, as Ohio State is. I believe Indiana would have lost one or two of the games that Texas won.
Again, you can disagree with my opinion, but you're not going to make a compelling argument to me.
You just don't have any numbers that support you.So what? It's college football, not the global macroeconomy.
So what? It's college football, not the global macroeconomy.It just means I already made the compelling argument, you just don't want to accept it ;)
There are no compelling stats. Talking about betting line favorites in a game? Not compelling.Vegas employs a lot of people
Vegas employs a lot of people"Vegas" isn't predicting outcomes, they're setting lines to get even betting on each side so the house makes money both ways. This has always been among the silliest arguments sports fans choose to engage in. I'll leave you to it.
I’ve got a fun exercise….lets see how many Texas players are drafted in the first 3 rounds and drafted overall in the next two drafts vs IU and my gut tells me there’s going to be a lot more Texas players in all instances.I've got an even more fun exercise - if you are starting a team tomorrow, are you hiring Sark or Cignetti? And I'm not being cheeky - I think it would be a fun exercise. Both are great coaches.
Vegas employs a lot of peopleAnd what’s the Vegas line in a hypothetical Texas - IU game? Texas would be favored…
"Vegas" isn't predicting outcomes, they're setting lines to get even betting on each side so the house makes money both ways. This has always been among the silliest arguments sports fans choose to engage in. I'll leave you to it.Yeah but the stats that do predict outcomes also say the same thing.
And what’s the Vegas line in a hypothetical Texas - IU game? Texas would be favored…I am not saying Indiana would be favored over Texas. I am saying Indiana could very well be 10-1 against Texas's schedule, since Fro said they had no chance to do so against an SEC schedule.
hopefully, we'll get to enjoy a Horns/Hoosiers matchup in a month or soI'd love for Texas to get Indiana in the CFP.
Vegas balances bets so they never lose.Have to balance out Big Money Indiana
Vegas basically just engages in witchcraft. They probably don't even watch the gamesIf you have a balanced book, you don't have a rooting interest. That is the goal.
If you have a balanced book, you don't have a rooting interest. That is the goal.Quite lucky of them to be able to do that picking numbers at random
Well, to put it differently, Indiana would be favored over every single Texas opponent besides Georgia. So by the numbers, Indiana and Texas would have the same record.I hope this is sarcasm.
I am not saying Indiana would be favored over Texas. I am saying Indiana could very well be 10-1 against Texas's schedule, since Fro said they had no chance to do so against an SEC schedule.To be fair, Texas hasn't exactly played "an SEC schedule" this year, either.
"Vegas" isn't predicting outcomes, they're setting lines to get even betting on each side so the house makes money both ways. This has always been among the silliest arguments sports fans choose to engage in. I'll leave you to it.I don't think it's silly at all.
"Vegas" isn't predicting outcomes, they're setting lines to get even betting on each side so the house makes money both ways. This has always been among the silliest arguments sports fans choose to engage in. I'll leave you to it.That is why I only pay attention to their "opening" line
Alabama would be favored against all but 5 schools, so they should probably still be safely inwell just how many does bama have to lose to be out of playoff consideration
To be fair, Texas hasn't exactly played "an SEC schedule" this year, either.you can only play the teams that are scheduled
Texas is 1st in the conference right now, and they played UGA, which is 2nd.
The Horns haven't (yet) played 3,4,5,6,7,8, or 9.
They played 10 on their 3rd-string QB and minus many other starters.
They played 11, 12, 13, 15, and 16.
We knew this before the season began - the 2 newbies' schedules were VERY different (Texas was given a pass compared to OU's slate).
Texas will play A&M, so that helps some....but Texas will not have faced a traditional, middle-of-the-road SEC schedule in 2024.
So if you get to nitpick my phrase, I get to further specify it.
To be fair, Texas hasn't exactly played "an SEC schedule" this year, either.In this new mega conference era, this will be common. Just saying "SEC Schedule" or "B1G Schedule" is meaningless when you are only playing half the teams.
Texas is 1st in the conference right now, and they played UGA, which is 2nd.
The Horns haven't (yet) played 3,4,5,6,7,8, or 9.
They played 10 on their 3rd-string QB and minus many other starters.
They played 11, 12, 13, 15, and 16.
We knew this before the season began - the 2 newbies' schedules were VERY different (Texas was given a pass compared to OU's slate).
Texas will play A&M, so that helps some....but Texas will not have faced a traditional, middle-of-the-road SEC schedule in 2024.
So if you get to nitpick my phrase, I get to further specify it.
That is why I only pay attention to their "opening" lineI suspect it's closest to a prediction of how folks out there will bet. I would guess ND gets more attention than "NIU", so they probably stick a few more points in anticipation of ND getting bets to win by fans. I had a notion one could bet against Big Name teams and maybe break even after the vig.
which to me is the closest to a prediction
"Vegas" isn't predicting outcomes, they're setting lines to get even betting on each side so the house makes money both ways. This has always been among the silliest arguments sports fans choose to engage in. I'll leave you to it.Never underestimate Vegas oddsmakers. They could cure any condition - if there was a spread involved.
well just how many does bama have to lose to be out of playoff consideration(https://y.yarn.co/8299dc73-47b6-4971-934c-e1b9778027c7_text.gif)
I'd love to see a ranking based on purported Vegas odds. I realize at times A>B B>C C>A by a smidgen.
| [th]Team[/th] [th]Rating[/th] [th]Offense[/th] [th]Defense[/th] [th]Spec Tms[/th] | ||||
| 1. Ohio St. (10-1) | 31.4 | 39.3 (5) | 9.7 (1) | 1.8 (17) |
| 2. Ole Miss (8-3) | 27.4 | 38.2 (8) | 12.9 (6) | 2.1 (2) |
| 3. Oregon (11-0) | 27.1 | 40.0 (3) | 14.4 (8) | 1.6 (22) |
| 4. Texas (10-1) | 26.8 | 39.4 (4) | 11.0 (2) | -1.7 (115) |
| 5. Georgia (9-2) | 25.6 | 39.1 (6) | 15.6 (9) | 2.1 (5) |
| 6. Alabama (8-3) | 25.5 | 40.5 (2) | 16.4 (10) | 1.4 (27) |
| 7. Notre Dame (10-1) | 24.9 | 37.6 (9) | 11.7 (3) | -1.0 (99) |
| 8. Miami (10-1) | 24.1 | 43.8 (1) | 21.6 (31) | 1.9 (12) |
| 9. Tennessee (9-2) | 23.9 | 34.2 (23) | 11.9 (4) | 1.5 (23) |
| 10. Penn St. (10-1) | 23.3 | 35.9 (15) | 12.3 (5) | -0.3 (82) |
| 11. Indiana (10-1) | 20.9 | 35.5 (16) | 16.7 (11) | 2.0 (7) |
| 12. Texas A&M (8-3) | 18.6 | 35.3 (18) | 18.7 (18) | 2.0 (8) |
| 13. SMU (10-1) | 18.3 | 38.4 (7) | 20.2 (25) | 0.1 (65) |
| 14. S. Carolina (8-3) | 17.3 | 33.9 (25) | 17.4 (14) | 0.8 (42) |
| 15. Clemson (9-2) | 15.7 | 36.1 (12) | 18.9 (20) | -1.5 (109) |
| 16. Kansas St. (8-3) | 15.4 | 33.2 (29) | 19.7 (22) | 1.9 (13) |
| 17. Iowa (7-4) | 15.4 | 27.7 (62) | 14.3 (7) | 2.0 (6) |
| 18. BYU (9-2) | 12.8 | 31.6 (36) | 20.8 (27) | 2.0 (9) |
| 19. Louisville (7-4) | 12.6 | 36.8 (11) | 22.8 (37) | -1.5 (110) |
| 20. Iowa St. (9-2) | 12.3 | 30.9 (40) | 19.3 (21) | 0.7 (45) |
| 21. Missouri (8-3) | 12.3 | 33.0 (31) | 19.7 (23) | -1.0 (98) |
| 22. LSU (7-4) | 12.3 | 35.5 (17) | 23.8 (43) | 0.6 (50) |
| 23. USC (6-5) | 11.9 | 33.9 (24) | 22.7 (36) | 0.7 (48) |
| 24. Auburn (5-6) | 11.8 | 29.7 (47) | 17.4 (13) | -0.5 (88) |
| 25. Boise St. (10-1) | 11.8 | 37.5 (10) | 25.4 (55) | -0.3 (83) |
It's not just Bama, several 3 loss teams have an outside shot depending.I just meant if we are simply going by Vegas odds, why play the games
I just meant if we are simply going by Vegas odds, why play the gamesThe games often defy the odds, but the odds are one way to rank teams before any games.
The games often defy the odds, but the odds are one way to rank teams before any games.Yes. But when people say, X doesn't belong because how many teams would X actually be favored to beat?
Yeah, I highly question Ole Miss as being favored over everyone but OSU.I mean, this is why it’s good we have a playoff that lets in teams like 11-1 Indiana if they get there.
I'm not suggesting who belongs, only that ONE WAY to rank teams is to use hypothetical matchup odds. Would it be perfect? Of course not. Might it be better than what we do now? I think probably so.So, this feels like a good idea, and in practice, people wouldn’t like it/it probably wouldn’t be.
People dislike rankings generally. This is just another variant.But they do like playing out imaginary seasons, as long as they're the ones imagining.
I'd find it interesting.
I suspect it's closest to a prediction of how folks out there will bet. I would guess ND gets more attention than "NIU", so they probably stick a few more points in anticipation of ND getting bets to win by fans. I had a notion one could bet against Big Name teams and maybe break even after the vig.I suspect if this were true, people with real money to throw down on wagering would be exploiting it to the point where Vegas would have to stop doing it.
Yeah, I highly question Ole Miss as being favored over everyone but OSU.They wouldn't be. The gap between OSU and Ole Miss is roughly the same as that between Ole Miss and PSU at 10.
I just meant if we are simply going by Vegas odds, why play the gameswell, Vegas obviously wants the games played
pointing out that the Texas schedule is not as strong as others does not mean Texas is a weak teamsame goes for Indiana
I do still think one can do OK betting the underdog in bowl games.you seem to have a few dollars of disposable income available
I mean, this is why it’s good we have a playoff that lets in teams like 11-1 Indiana if they get there.and teams like 9-3 Bama
I suspect if this were true, people with real money to throw down on wagering would be exploiting it to the point where Vegas would have to stop doing it.Oh, we’re already there. Outsiders started developing better, power ratings, and then Las Vegas just absorbed them.
You don't think there are Wall Street quant types who could access 5+ years of Vegas line/result history and look for arbitrage opportunities like this?
Hell, you don't think that the big sportsbooks EMPLOY Wall Street quant types who are analyzing their own line/result history looking to make sure that there aren't any "blind spots" in their own setting of the lines that are easily exploitable with a system like "bet against Big Name teams and you can't go wrong!"?
The point is that the betting line would be influenced by bettors who favored their team, say ND, in numbers sufficient to render the line unbalanced vs "reality". I'm sure the Vegas boys understand this and set initial lines accordingly, if it's real. Let's take ND-USC, MAYBE they know ND gets a preference with bettors, so the line would have been say -5, but they set it at -6 by understand that ND bettors over play their team. Then when the excess bets come in on ND to win, they don't have to readjust much.I understand the point.
My point is not how Vegas judges real lines, but how bettors on certain teams MAY over populate betting on their team.
I do still think one can do OK betting the underdog in bowl games.
And if the fandom really influenced the setting of lines, the sharps would know that and exploit it.they do and they do
you seem to have a few dollars of disposable income availableI've done it in the past on paper, and won three times in a row, but my winnings might be $20.
give it a try for 3 or 4 seasons and give us a full report
Heck, I have buddies that bet using an app on their phone at a couple dollars a game, just for the fun
And if the fandom really influenced the setting of lines, the sharps would know that and exploit it.My point is I think the sharps DO exploit it.
My point is I think the sharps DO exploit it.So you think:
Speaking of odds, likely that right now OSU would be a favorite over every team on every fieldUm
I guess Indiana is serious about football.So they are going to keep up with the top teams on coaching salaries, can their NIL keep up? I would expect IU to spend the bulk of their NIL on Basketball but we'll see.
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My point is I think the sharps DO exploit it.They don't have to exploit it - they just middle so across the broad spectrum of time they will win.The odds and the Vig ensure that,i used bet contrarian plays - if the masses were on one team and the line hadn't moved much bet the other way - ya still lose inthe long run.It's a rare breed of cat that can stay disciplined and win the wagering wars. Take time to chose his target sometimes weeks but they will strike and cash out
Punters can't even practice in the woefully outdated Mellencamp Center (indoor facility).Sounds like they need bigger Pink Houses
Sounds like they need bigger Pink HousesYeah, they usually go practice outside the Tastee Freeze.
FWIW, betting bowls is a nightmare.My practice, on paper, is to bet the dog and take the points in every case. In my experience, that wins about 60% of the time.
Sounds like they need bigger Pink Housesthey think they got it so good
Yeah, they usually go practice outside the Tastee Freeze.Do they do what they please?